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Now I'm going to have nightmares
Category: Creationism • Kooks
Posted on: June 18, 2008 7:41 PM, by PZ Myers
Ken Ham, chief wackaloon at Answers in Genesis, was invited to speak…at a Pentagon prayer breakfast.
Just let that sink in.
There are people at the Pentagon who are in charge of planning where your sons and daughter and nephews and nieces and other beloved family members and friends will be sent to put their lives at risk. There are people there who can send missiles and bombers anywhere in the world. There are people there who control nuclear weapons.
And they think Ken Ham is a fine-and-dandy, clever feller.
It's almost enough to make me wish I could pray. It's not just Ham, either — it's that the people with the big guns have prayer breakfasts.
And then, somehow, he segues into babbling about the existence of life on other worlds. He doesn't think there is any. Look at the logic this kook uses:
The real world is the biblical world--a universe designed by God with the Earth at the spiritual focal point, not an evolutionary universe teeming with life. … Extraterrestrial life is an evolutionary concept; it does not comport with the biblical teachings of the uniqueness of the Earth and the distinct spiritual position of human beings.
Because the bible says we are the focus of the entire universe, there can't possibly be any competitors. Of course, this means that his god created this vast, empty, uninhabitable space for no reason other than that we'll have twinkly little stars in the sky at night…but hey, that's the crazy Christian deity, always doing irrational stuff and encouraging his followers to be equally nuts.
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Please,..kill me now
Posted by: Lago | June 18, 2008 7:47 PM
Another way of looking at it would be that prayer is so trivial that no one cares who makes the prayer.
Probably few enough of those there would think at all well of Ham. But even Ham can't make prayers or magic spells "go wrong". It's impossible for them to "go right", and when they appear to do so it's a coincidence.
You can rest assured that they'd never let Ham do any of their science.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Glen Davidson | June 18, 2008 7:48 PM
The Air force has been infiltrated by Fundies for years, Ed Brayton has covered this topic quite extensively.
Posted by: Draconiz | June 18, 2008 7:51 PM
im going to kill myself
Posted by: Mark P | June 18, 2008 7:52 PM
If I HAD any hair, I'd be tearing it out right now. Efing idiots.
Posted by: kirk | June 18, 2008 7:55 PM
The link syntax is screwed up. :-(
Posted by: Blake Stacey | June 18, 2008 7:56 PM
Before anyone else can bring it up: yes, he's from Queensland, Australia. Please don't judge the state on the batshit loonery of one of its former residents.
Remember, he had to leave Queensland in order to fulfil his deranged purpose of building a
museumtheme park for fundy morons where its explained that the T-Rex had huge sharp teeth in order to husk and eat coconuts.Posted by: Wowbagger | June 18, 2008 7:58 PM
Wow...just wow...Ken Ham came my mothers church and rambled all types of ridiculously absurd unproven nonsense about the impossibility of evolution (and all the churchies ate it up like a flock of sheep) I came there just to laugh at him..but..Isn't this somewhat unconstitutional? I mean, a prayer meeting at the Pentagon. I think its semi comical how religious people are OCD when it comes to feeling "special". I love Carl Sagan's quote, "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"... I would love to see Carl Sagan slap the sh*t out of Ken Ham=)
Posted by: Tricia | June 18, 2008 8:00 PM
Wow. The real world is the biblical world. I guess I better start looking out for Philistine Giants that must be killed by three different people at three different places at three different times then. Warn your Jewish friends.
Gives me a good reason to grow my hair out though. Olympic Weight Lifting, here I come!
Posted by: Julian | June 18, 2008 8:04 PM
And why, pray tell, is the Pentagon even having a prayer breakfast?
Posted by: Zeno | June 18, 2008 8:04 PM
PZ, do you have a link?
Posted by: ndt | June 18, 2008 8:04 PM
So, if NASA finds life on other planets, such as bacteria on Mars, will he recant?
Nah, didn't think so...
Posted by: Kimpatsu | June 18, 2008 8:05 PM
I wonder if he told them about the threat to "our precious bodily fluids."
Posted by: hje | June 18, 2008 8:09 PM
I believe this leads to the intended link:
http://tinyurl.com/6c5uwn
Posted by: Pat McComb | June 18, 2008 8:12 PM
Ken Ham represents what tens of millions of americans believe is the truth on origins.
To exclude the historic Christian belief on origins is to exclude the reality of American thought.
By the way the universe was probably made for man to colonize. By this time in history if there had not been the fall the world be populaed with everyone who ever lived and more that would of been born. Crowded and nowhere to go put way up. It seems reasonable for creationists to conclude the universe would of been by now populated by humans on man manipulated planets. We're way behind in actions if not science fiction.
Posted by: Robert Byers | June 18, 2008 8:19 PM
But yeah, I'm with you. It's good that Ken Ham is out of Australia, just as I'm sure the Kiwis are glad to see the back of Ray Comfort.
Posted by: Kel | June 18, 2008 8:21 PM
"INVASION OF THE GOD PEOPLE!!!!"
It's like a really bad 50s science fiction film
only without the science and the fiction.
Posted by: mayhempix | June 18, 2008 8:22 PM
Plus, you know if there was life on another planet, that would be proof of God's existance too....
Posted by: Brendan S | June 18, 2008 8:22 PM
Good freaking grief! Is this demented cretin getting worse with each posting by PZ? This is what we have become aware of by this insane retard due to PZ's ever vigilant observation. What is scary is the stuff this moron spews out that we don't hear about at all or until much later when his damage is done. And now he has been invited to the Pentagon to speak at a prayer breakfast! Will he invoke Thor to strengthen the lords of destructive power to unleash death for a righteous cuase? Why don't they just let him in the War Room to check things out, and let the Hambone declare, "We don't need these weapons of destruction; they are puny when compared to my god's power. Get rid of them and let god do it"
And of course his god has deemed that there shall only be life on this planet and no where else in the Universe. Wow, we will never hear the end of insane rantings from this demented Hambone.
Posted by: Holbach | June 18, 2008 8:23 PM
deity worshipers wielding nucular weapons, stealth aircraft, warships, and missiles.
We're not gonna make it.
Posted by: Alex | June 18, 2008 8:27 PM
"Extraterrestrial life is an evolutionary concept"
Hmmm. That's funny. I always thought that THEY were the ones who said their sky fairy wasn't of this earth....
Posted by: Chromosome Crawl | June 18, 2008 8:28 PM
I hope during Ham's prayer he bad mouths catholics and all other Christians and non-Christians faiths besides his. These creationists have a way of over stepping their bounds that way
Posted by: CleveDan | June 18, 2008 8:29 PM
I've long thought that there are two big discoveries (of course there are others) that would dismantle even the strongest believer or at least make him equal with a crazy person. One is a definitive showing of how abiogenesis took place and the easier would be extraterrestrial life. I can't name a theistic god that said he cared about any other planet.
Posted by: AndrewC | June 18, 2008 8:31 PM
PZ, I know you are just making this up to mess with our brains! Please tell me you are just making this up!!! Please!! Please.....
An aside: Thank you for your wonderful comments on being a father; I shared it all around and everybody loved it!
Posted by: eigenvector | June 18, 2008 8:37 PM
Words of wisdom from Isaac Asimov, from his wonderful treatise "The Threat of Creationism":
It is religion that recruits their squadrons. Tens of millions of Americans, who neither know nor understand the actual arguments for or even against evolution, march in the army of the night with their Bibles held high. And they are a strong and frightening force, impervious to, and immunized against, the feeble lance of mere reason.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | June 18, 2008 8:41 PM
I've long thought that there are two big discoveries (of course there are others) that would dismantle even the strongest believer or at least make him equal with a crazy person. One is a definitive showing of how abiogenesis took place and the easier would be extraterrestrial life. I can't name a theistic god that said he cared about any other planet.
I couldn't immediately google the quotes, but there was a time when a good number of Christian theologians believed that Mars and the moon MUST have life, since there's no way God would create so much barren space.
Posted by: ngong | June 18, 2008 8:42 PM
Kel, #16, wrote:
Oh, I'm fine with that - I do a bit of it myself; if Queensland was that great I'd still live there. But now I live in South Australia - in the 'City of Churches', no less...
I'm dreading the day when I'm no longer surprised (and sickened) by the institutionalised craziness that happens in the US.
A prayer breakfast at the Pentagon? I mean, WTF? Has it not occurred to them that if prayer actually worked then they'd all be out of a job? Almost everyone who prays asks for world peace; I doubt that many request the continuing need for a grossly over-funded defence department with dubious ties to the military-industrialist complex.
Idiots.
Posted by: Wowbagger | June 18, 2008 8:44 PM
By the way, I'm digging the background Gumby cartoon in addition to Comic Sans font.
Posted by: James F | June 18, 2008 8:45 PM
Hey, look on the bright side....Perhaps an honest to goodness verified extraterrestrial encounter will finally place the Bible squarely in fiction isle.
Something to look forward to. Thank Mr. Ham for setting the stage...
Posted by: Tater | June 18, 2008 8:46 PM
Next up in the Pentagon's lecture series-
Dale Earnhart Jr. on "How to drive an Abrahms tank in Baghdad"
followed after the prayer breakout by "How to drive on Mars"
Sign up now with the Pentagon Chaplain's office
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | June 18, 2008 8:47 PM
Posted by: Kel | June 18, 2008 8:50 PM
Ken Ham and the War Pigs, huh? Maybe we'll get lucky and the bastards will eat each other for breakfast.
Posted by: Neil | June 18, 2008 8:51 PM
The real world is the biblical world--a universe designed by God with the Earth at the spiritual focal point, not an evolutionary universe teeming with life. ... Extraterrestrial life is an evolutionary concept; it does not comport with the biblical teachings of the uniqueness of the Earth and the distinct spiritual position of human beings.
The man's logic is impeccable. If we really live in Plato's cave and the empirical world is just a shadow of the absolute, then the absolute can only be reached absolutely by revelation -- and it is imperative to do so. Therefore, any empirical evidence that conflicts with the idealist universe must be dismissed. Vulgar Platonists --- gah, they should've buried the student with the master.
How long is it going to take to bury this Greek crap?
Posted by: frog | June 18, 2008 8:55 PM
Benjamin Franklin @ 25 I have not read that pasage from "The Threat Of Creationism" by Isaac for some time and it is ever more meaningful and portentious at this scary time in our country. Thanks for posting it.
Posted by: Holbach | June 18, 2008 8:59 PM
Are we just pawns as these fuckers go around parading their ignorance in front of the world? If this idiot went around spouting some nonesense about the Quran being the inerrant work of allah, or how g-d made said pork is bad, therefore the pentagon must stop serving it in the deli, the country would be up in arms. Just because the majority of the brainless twits in this country believe in some dead jew granting them immortality, any asshole spouting such bullshit has a public pulpit to pronounce his idiocy. What the fuck happened to this being a secular nation? These fucks don't belong anywhere near any institution fed and bloated on our taxes.
I wonder when these idiots will learn that our true master and lord is the 7th dimensional Grolshaparkaslakrzwik, who assures our existence as long as we feed it the decapitated heads of the infidels who eat vegetables. When will they learn that eating vegetables, especially carrots is wrong, and deserves damnation in the 6th dimension? When will they come to read the monumental 7000 page treastise on the life and times of Grolshaparkaslakrzwik and come to embrace and understand the truth. It shall be revealed to those who ritually smash their genitals on the spiked orbs of revelation? Of course, for those of the reformed Grolshaparkaslakrzwik movement, they may have to restrain from striking their genitals with the spiked orbs of revelation, and instead, must use the poly-octagonal orbs of revelation.
Posted by: Helioprogenus | June 18, 2008 8:59 PM
One word: scary.
Posted by: kcanadensis | June 18, 2008 9:01 PM
I hadn't heard that. It'd surprise me, since there's a lot of institutionalised woo here - there's a Xian College, lots of private church-affiliated schools, plus lots of happy-clappy, singalong church groups (one being that which Guy Sebastian, who won our version of Idol, belongs to) - and I know more than a few people keen on a career in some form of church leadership or missionary capacity.
One can always hope, though...
Posted by: Wowbagger | June 18, 2008 9:03 PM
Hopefully it will all be over soon.
Obama...Obama...Obama...
Posted by: S. Scott | June 18, 2008 9:04 PM
hje #13,
Forget evolution, fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.
Brilliant reference on your part. I salute you.
Posted by: Lycosid | June 18, 2008 9:04 PM
Ugh...my stomach hurts.
p.s. you really think Obama is going to abolish Pentagon prayer breakfasts? Not a chance.
By the way, why don't these people ever pray at lunchtime? Or at tea?
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 18, 2008 9:07 PM
This is nothing new. I've been to the Pentagon a few times, and one time I passed by a huge table set up in one of the corridors from behind which people were handing out free copies of "The Purpose Driven Life".
Posted by: H. Telruim Malton | June 18, 2008 9:08 PM
OT - My local news station just reported a 16 year-old Gladstone, Oregon boy is dead. Of the same extended family, and church as the last poor little fundie girl. He had a fully treatable bladder problem.
Prayer really helps.
Stupid christian bastards!
Posted by: Patricia | June 18, 2008 9:13 PM
Sent to the gov, and sent the following to all my email contacts:
Hello All,
I am reluctant to send an email to so many people, many of whom I do not know, but for one reason or another have found their way into my address book. However, I feel so strongly about this issue that I cannot, in good conscience, restrain myself because this issue requires national attention.
Just recently, a bill in the Louisiana state legislature called Senate Bill 733, "Louisiana Science Education Act" passed both the House and the Senate and is awaiting Governor Bobby Jindal's signature or veto. He has indicated that he will sign the bill into law.
This seemingly noble bill is a veiled attempt to insert religion, specifically Intelligent Design, into the science curricula of public schools as a scientific alternative to the Theory of Evolution. This "theory", which is the same as Creationism, the literal interpretation of the book of Genesis as scientific fact, has been rejected by the scientific consensus ( American Association for the Advancement of Science, National Center for Science Education, National Academy of Sciences, etc.).
Science is the use of evidence to construct testable explanations and predictions of natural phenomena, as well as the knowledge generated through this process. Religion is based in faith, which is fine, but it does not belong in a discipline driven by evidence and testable hypotheses. To introduce religion into science classes is to stifle scientific progress. Look around you right now and take note of all the objects that are owed to scientific advancement and understanding.
The Louisiana Coalition for Science has much more information here.
This bill affects not just the the state of Louisiana, but the entire country in the precedent it sets and the precedents it ignores.
Please let the Governor know your feelings on this matter of national import before he takes action. Below is the open letter from the LA Coalition for Science.
As I said, this is an extremely important issue to me, and I believe it should be to everyone who values the Separation of Church and State. Government should not impose on religion and religion should not impose on government.
Thanks for your time.
Posted by: Andrew | June 18, 2008 9:13 PM
lest one thing I was writing god as g-d for religious reasons, I was just mocking the whole fucking idiocy of it. Some go out of their way to design their deities in the most garish fashion, others kill you if you try to illustrate the appearanec of their deity, while still others can't even spell out the name of the fucking useless deity. This better not be the future.
Posted by: Helioprogenus | June 18, 2008 9:13 PM
frog: Well, we were almost done with it, then that jerk Hegel had to come along and revamp it for imperialist Europe, angering and driving Marx bonkers enough to invent communism. Thanks allot Plato, you woman-hating futon.
Posted by: Julian | June 18, 2008 9:15 PM
Hey, if anybody at AiG is reading this, could ya please ask Mr. Ham to get some comments from a tank officer on this Bible verse:
Unless the angels have upgraded their equipment, this has serious strategic implications for the scheduled skirmish at Har Megiddo.
Thanks!
Posted by: Pierce R. Butler | June 18, 2008 9:17 PM
'Futon' is an insult now?
Posted by: Wowbagger | June 18, 2008 9:18 PM
This notion religion has of humans as the be-all end-all of the universe is as immature and self-absorbed as a baby who feels itself to be the center of existence. We're still in the baby stage, we humans. Probably the vast majority of us. Everything revolves around us, it's all for us. Aren't we just so special.
I wonder how long it'll take us to grow out of this illusion of central position.
Posted by: JohnB | June 18, 2008 9:25 PM
News report video:
http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=255637
My state sucks. No law against this stupid deadly child abuse.
So just where the FUCK was gawd?!
Posted by: Patricia | June 18, 2008 9:33 PM
"The real world is the biblical world--a universe designed by God with the Earth at the spiritual focal point, not an evolutionary universe teeming with life"
That's right, turn off the telescopes and dust off that bible. Fuck you very much, Ken Ham.
"p.s. you really think Obama is going to abolish Pentagon prayer breakfasts? Not a chance."
Probably not, but maybe he'd invite that Reverend Wright fellow to one. That might liven things up a bit.
Posted by: Rey Fox | June 18, 2008 9:34 PM
hje #13: "I wonder if he told them about the threat to 'our precious bodily fluids.'"
That's funny as it is chilling. I'm kinda wishing that I'd never seen that film so that I wouldn't know what you were insinuating.
Posted by: MH | June 18, 2008 9:35 PM
At least he's finally made a concrete prediction -- we will never ever find evidence of extra-terrestrial life.
Posted by: BMurray | June 18, 2008 9:40 PM
Psst... Andrew @ #43? You in the wrong spot. You want the room next door. It's the one with all the noise and cigar smoke.
This place is for kicking Ham around.
Posted by: Capital Dan | June 18, 2008 9:47 PM
"Extraterrestrial life is an evolutionary concept; it does not comport with the biblical teachings of the uniqueness of the Earth and the distinct spiritual position of human beings."
Funny how "Humble" Christians who feel that the universe was created for them alone have the audacity to call atheist arrogant.
Posted by: Scott D. | June 18, 2008 9:50 PM
Um, P.Z., do you remember where you left the brainwash? I need to scritch out that image.
farking yikes.
Posted by: Paula Helm Murray | June 18, 2008 9:51 PM
Well, if Jebus fails to make his return appearance, we can still all be blown to kingdom come!
Posted by: antaresrichard | June 18, 2008 9:53 PM
Call him a wackaloon, but note that on his website he tells you how to sign up for electronic funds transfer and monthly giving. He makes more money off this nonsense than god.
Posted by: T Menacher | June 18, 2008 9:53 PM
Darn you Helioprogenus @ 35, darn you for the ear worm!
Posted by: Mena | June 18, 2008 9:58 PM
Some quotes from KH on Israel (from his blog): "Evidence that overwhelming supports the Bible is thus missed! Archaeology is another area that needs to be dealt with, just as we deal with evolution and millions of years."
"I also found out they do teach the Bible in schools over here [Israel], but the Bible teachers are what we would call extremely liberal. They teach that the Bible is a collection of myths, fables, etc. There's an incredible anti-Christian bias in the schools-this is truly a pagan country."
"[Israeli kids] don't really know how to make moral judgments..." (Remember the study that was done in Israel where the kids overwhelmingly answered that genocide is ok when God orders it, but morally wrong when not?)
"We also drove through an area where many of the Orthodox Jews live-so sad to see the men, women and children who are all lost, and going to a Christless eternity..."
Posted by: black wolf | June 18, 2008 9:59 PM
I came across Answers in Genesis quite a while ago (early 2005 I think). I was doing research for an online debate I was having with an ex Ass. of God preacher I met on a most scandalous site. I thought Answers in Genesis was the most ridiculous site I had ever seen until this preacher introduced me to the "Gap Theory" and sent me to a site called Christian Geology. This site's depiction of the flood, and where all that water came from, had me in stitches and horrified me at the same time. If you've never seen it, it's a laugh a minute. Anyone knowledgeable in the Earth Sciences should probably have heart medication real handy. That link is http://www.kjvbible.org/ if you want a really good laugh. If you go, do scroll down to the topic "The Fountains of Noah's Flood and the Windows of Heaven". That should keep you in stitches for a while. All the articles are said to be written by Gaines R. Johnson, and an APO address is listed for this person. Scary...
Posted by: Angel Rose Young | June 18, 2008 10:00 PM
Prayer? At the Pentagon? Did it go anything like this:
"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle - be Thou near them! With them - in spirit - we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it - for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."
Posted by: Ragutis | June 18, 2008 10:01 PM
I think he was invited there by Air Force General Buck Turgidson.
My 9 year-old knows more about science than Ken Ham.
Posted by: Foo | June 18, 2008 10:04 PM
Of course it's really worse than that. The vast majority of those stars aren't even visible from Earth.
I remember some young Earth creationist arguing that the Earth can't be billions of years old because all those years without humans would be "meaningless placeholders."
Posted by: BaldApe | June 18, 2008 10:05 PM
I just checked the 2006 census summary cos I found this interesting. Apparently, Darwin has the highest percentage of non-believers. 25.5% of the city's population has no religious affiliation. Mind you, that translates to only 26,693 people.
Adelaide has the second highest percentage at 24% or 265,129 people.
Melbourne, it appears, has the largest number of godless. Although only 20% of the population is non-believieng, that's 717,717 people.
More detailed analyses are available. But I'd better get back to work.
Posted by: Brachychiton | June 18, 2008 10:11 PM
Well if it took humanity 200,000 years to mature to the age of a two-year-old, then we can conclude that one humanity year is roughly 100,000 person years. So it'll be another 1,600,000 to 1,900,000 years before humanity as a whole reaches anything like an adult level of empathy and impulse control, and we will have to wait until humanity has been existence 2,500,000 years before our cosmic car insurance rates go down.
Posted by: ndt | June 18, 2008 10:18 PM
Posted by: Kel | June 18, 2008 10:24 PM
Bald Ape beat me to it. The twinkly little stars we can see are only the a paltry portion of the vast, empty universe...that god created for us.
Posted by: Wicked Lad | June 18, 2008 10:39 PM
My first thought was "I thought he was still in prison for tax evasion," and then I realized I was getting my creationist fucktards confused.
Posted by: Screechy Monkey | June 18, 2008 10:42 PM
Three random thoughts:
Wasn't this argument (man= the center of God's creation)the very same one leveled against Galileo and heliocentrism? I thought this was refuted 500 years ago.
There's no chance that Jindal won't sign the bill in question. It will endear him to his mancrush, Johnnie Mac and the fundamentalists who are wishy-washy on McCain. If it's overturned in court, that'll further their 'activist judges' agenda.
Third, if you had the ability to blow lots of people to kingdom come, you'd probably want to put the blame on an invisible, inaccessible absolute authority.
Posted by: moioci | June 18, 2008 10:52 PM
Wasn't Giordano Bruno burned at the stake for positing (among lots of other things) extraterrestrial life? SETI researchers need to tread lightly around the Pentagon.
Posted by: Jeph | June 18, 2008 10:56 PM
@ Patricia #49:
But there is a law against it. The religious shield from prosecution in cases of children subjected to withheld medical attention was legislated out of existence in 1999. As a result, the parents of this 16 year old face prosecution (and prosecution is in progress for his deceased cousin already).
The thing is, being illegal doesn't necessarily prevent kooks from killing their kids in the first place.
Posted by: Brain Hertz | June 18, 2008 11:02 PM
OH GOOD GOD!!! EVEN THOUGH THERE ISN'T ONE.
Posted by: genesgalore | June 18, 2008 11:03 PM
Not that this will make most of us feel better, but I thought I'd post this.
The Pentagon Prayer Breakfast is sponsored by the Pentagon Chaplain's office ( http://www.hqda.army.mil/chaplain/default.htm ) Here are some of the other things they sponsor:
- Catholic Confession at 1115 hrs, Monday - Friday in room 1E438.
- Catholic Mass at 1130 hrs, Monday - Friday in the Chapel - 1E438.
- Episcopal service is each Wednesday at 1230 hrs, Chapel room -1E438.
- Hindu Service at 1230 each Thursday in the Chapel - 1E438.
- Jewish Service and Torah study at 1230 hrs each Friday - 1E438.
- Latter Day Saints service is at 1100 on Thursdays in the Caucus Conference Room inside of room 1E423.
- Muslim service is at 1400 hrs each Friday and prayers are offered Monday - Thursday at 1400 in the Memorial Chapel - Room 1E438.
So you can see, there is at least the possibility that people of other faiths (other than atheists) aren't having their rights totally trampled, and that the Constitution isn't being violated.
J. D.
Posted by: J. D. Mack | June 18, 2008 11:18 PM
Well you are incredibly stupid like all creos. 20% of the US population believes the sun orbits the earth. 30% believe in astrology. Not so long ago, half the US believed black people were subhumans but made good slaves, believed enough to fight a vicious war over it. Ken Ham represents the darkness of the human soul, the part that can't understand reality much less accept it. So do you.
More dumbness. To exclude racism, religiously perpetrated murder, slavery, and the massacre of Native Americans excludes the reality of American thought We don't exclude anything, we just say some historical thoughts were evil and wrong.
I see you know your bible as well as you know science, logical thinking, and the truth. Not in the least. Before the fall, the first two people were innocent and didn't reproduce. Without the fall, there would still be 2 immortals running around in a garden.
The galaxy may be empty and may be ours for the taking. If that happens it won't be because of fundies with a brain the size of a walnut who want to bring back the Dark Ages. It will be many clever, well educated scientists who provide the technology. The fundies will just be noise and sand in the machinery. Like they are now.
Posted by: raven | June 18, 2008 11:19 PM
The fundie effort at the USAF Academy took a blow today with a chane of leadership. New guy's Jewish, and not some kind of goofball Ultra-Orthodox end-tmes'er.
The fundie effort to get access to The Bomb has been thwarted to an extent.
Posted by: Bacopa | June 18, 2008 11:22 PM
By the way the universe was probably made for man to colonize.
By this logic, humans were probably made for E. coli to colonize, and this troll was almost certainly made for our amusement.
Posted by: melior | June 18, 2008 11:23 PM
Posted by: Kel | June 18, 2008 11:35 PM
#71 - Brain Hertz - Thankyou for this post. The news report on TV as I posted didn't mention this.
I plan to look into this more as far as Oregon law goes because I have four little great grand nieces. NOT that my nieces would withhold medical treatment from their children, but because my area is full of fundy fruitcakes.
Posted by: Patricia | June 18, 2008 11:41 PM
#78 Patricia:
KGW has coverage (this is the earlier fundie fatality): http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_033008_news_faith_healing.1742971c.html
Posted by: Brain Hertz | June 18, 2008 11:52 PM
Goddammit, you got me with that one. My vote will go to Obama this election. (Bleah.)
Posted by: speedwell | June 18, 2008 11:53 PM
I should have added - I don't think this is something that you need to worry about in the general case. It's one particular wackadoodle church that is responsible.
Posted by: Brain Hertz | June 18, 2008 11:55 PM
@62
I can no longer sit back and allow atheist infiltration, atheist indoctrination, atheist subversion, and the international atheist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Posted by: Disciple of "Bob" | June 18, 2008 11:58 PM
"Ken Ham, chief wackaloon at Answers in Genesis, was invited to speak...at a Pentagon prayer breakfast."
I thought PZ invented a new word, wackaloon, but I found a dictionary definition of it.
wackaloon: Someone whose behavior bypasses moron idiot and dumbfuck. Characterized by saying or doing the same stupid thing over and over even though others have pointed out your ridiculous behavior.
Posted by: BobC | June 19, 2008 12:10 AM
Soon only those that pray will have guns...
Yep it gets worse. You spring-filled-quilted-cover mattress or you foam-rubber-plastic-sheeted block... Futon is more succinct though.
Posted by: shane | June 19, 2008 12:17 AM
Apart from the overwhelming feeling of impending doom this leaves me with,Im not quite sure what to be more bewildered with :
The fact that the people with the finger on the bombin the US have prayer breakfasts,or the fact that they think,as PZ put it so nicely,"that Ken Ham is a fine-and-dandy, clever feller".
Posted by: clinteas | June 19, 2008 12:20 AM
ngong,
I'm well aware of that, but I don't see how it would mesh at all with the Earth being favored and unless they found life on EVERY body, then they'd have no argument.
Posted by: AndrewC | June 19, 2008 12:27 AM
They're probably using the same measurement system as GWB did when he said that the guy whose incomepetence led to the Katrina disaster being all-that-much worse was doing a 'heckuva job'.
It's sad for me - as it should be for everyone - that (probably) the first Queenslander to be invited to the Pentagon is this embarrassing, demented idiot.
Posted by: Wowbagger | June 19, 2008 12:33 AM
Fuck.
Posted by: andrew | June 19, 2008 12:34 AM
Wowbagger,iv taken the day off work,whats your excuse to hang around here all day LOL
And I would not want to be "invited"to the Pentagon,nor any other place in the US for that matter,dont like flying to countries where the Gestapo,sorry Homeland Security,can just lock you up if they dont like your face....
Posted by: clinteas | June 19, 2008 12:38 AM