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Wow — is this stupid or what?
Category: Creationism
Posted on: June 4, 2008 2:48 PM, by PZ Myers
At the last couple of talks I've given out here on the west coast, I've begun by introducing the appalling ignorance and illogic of creationist arguments. I think I have a new favorite example.
To summarize: God ordered the soldiers of the Hebrews to march around Jericho 6 times on 6 days, which means they would have traversed 6 * 360°, or 2160 degrees. The moon has a diameter of 2,160 miles. Therefore, God exists.
Bonus points! If you argue that the Hebrews would not have used "miles" as units (although I would have first pointed out that degrees and any linear measurement aren't directly comparable), that's just proof that God knew about English units 3,000 years before they were invented. Therefore, God exists and knows everything.
Poe's Law! I saw that video and thought for sure it had to be a spoof, until I saw it was from VenomFangX, one of the more infamous youtube creationists, and that it has a lot of comments praising his "logic".
Comments
This twit deserves a 2,160 miles long collective moon. Pants down folks!
Posted by: FredS | June 4, 2008 3:05 PM
Ugh. I recognized his voice before I even scrolled down far enough to read his name. Venomfangx
I find this kid to be one of the creepiest creationist I have ever encountered. His arrogance is palpable and he matches that with the typical lack of intellectual honesty and abililty to reason.
I've seen a few of his videos on youtube, all of which are closed to any dissenting comment or rating, and all of which are full of insane babbling.
Posted by: Serena | June 4, 2008 3:07 PM
No, no no. SIX times in SIX days, as ordered by Yahweh in Joshua SIX = 666. Therefore, the Bible is clearly of The Beast told of in Revelation 13:18.
QED. I have spoken.
Posted by: Bokanovsky Process | June 4, 2008 3:07 PM
My head hurts.... is it too early to start drinking?
Posted by: Lynnai | June 4, 2008 3:07 PM
Well the only reason he only has comments praising his "logic" is because of two things. First, he has sock puppet accounts that he uses to both comment on his own videos as well as run up the rating before disabling it. Second, he censors all of the comments, so if anyone were to post something that would dare refute his points, you can bet your life that the "offending" comment will not be there for long.
You might want to look at Thunderf00t's channel where he has spoken about this IDiot at length. Also, his video series "Why Do People Laugh At Creationsts?" is quite good in its own right. His channel can be found here.
Posted by: Lledowyn | June 4, 2008 3:08 PM
You were right to call B.S. on this one PZ. It's well known that Bob uses the metric system because it's based on tens and God clearly has ten fingers and ten toes because we're made in his image.
Posted by: Jeff | June 4, 2008 3:10 PM
I don't wanna watch. It's wednesday, it's the middle of the week, that day sucks by default and I Don't want it to suck more. But by reading your explanation... Um...
God uses miles? I don't think I ever saw miles in the bible.
Posted by: Michelle | June 4, 2008 3:10 PM
So, to combine this with the previous post, scientists are not allowed to "interpret" fossils, but fundies can make giant leaps like this?
Posted by: Tulse | June 4, 2008 3:12 PM
The human body is 70% water and the earth's surface is 70% water. No wonder the human menstrual cycle is synchronized with the phases of the moon. Except when it isn't.
Posted by: 74westy | June 4, 2008 3:13 PM
He who lives by the argumentum ex culo... probably needs a mental colostomy bag.
(I have no idea what that means. It just sounded good.)
Posted by: Brian X | June 4, 2008 3:13 PM
In the Book of Exodus, God gave ten (10) commandments to Moses. Scientists today have determined that VenomFangX has ten (10) letters in his nickname.
Coincidence? God does not work through coincidence.
Posted by: Sastra | June 4, 2008 3:13 PM
It's no worse than laminin proving god exists because it has a shape that can be construed as "cross shaped."
Weren't you asking for the strong arguments for God, PZ? I think these are as strong as any Plantinga conjured up out of his anachronistic metaphysics.
Glen Davidson
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Glen Davidson | June 4, 2008 3:13 PM
I knew Venomfang from way back on the IMDB message boards. He used to post on The Passion of the Christ board back when it was a popular debate venue. He used many of the same bad arguments back then (he considers himself a student of Kent Hovind) and used to get reamed pretty hard. However, like most creationists, he was utterly impervious to reason and would tune out all criticisms. The ability to moderate or censor comments on YouTube must tickle him to no end. He's also got a little dictator in him screaming to get out.
Posted by: H.H. | June 4, 2008 3:15 PM
Of course he does. God is an American!
Heathen, how can you doubt that self-evident truth?
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Glen Davidson | June 4, 2008 3:15 PM
I also immediately recognized it was VenomFangX by the voice. No one else quite has that mixture of complete stupidity and arrogant pride in his superior intellect that has to suffer explaining such simple concepts to complete morons (ironic, eh?).
Another one of his arguments is that water exists nowhere else in the Universe, ergo God made the Earth solely for Man. Yes, he says H20 exists only on Earth.
Posted by: Andrew | June 4, 2008 3:15 PM
I thought that, among the historical facts one 'can' derive from the bible- Jericho was an abandoned city when Joshua arrived. Perhaps it was the original Straw Man.
Posted by: Joe | June 4, 2008 3:15 PM
Wow, free movies on the internet, even though they are pure insane crap! Even insane crap can be entertaining which only proves all the more our threshhold for the dregs of the brain.
Posted by: Holbach | June 4, 2008 3:15 PM
@74westy: "No wonder the human menstrual cycle is synchronized with the phases of the moon. Except when it isn't."
Mine is 38. I scoff at the moon!
Posted by: Michelle | June 4, 2008 3:16 PM
What kind of idiot uses VenomFangX as a screen name? It sounds like a rejected GI Joe.
Posted by: Boosterz | June 4, 2008 3:17 PM
According to radius of the moon listed on Wikipedia (I know, I know), the calculated diameter of the moon is actually 2158.7577 miles. Even if you use the equatorial radius for the calculations you get 2160.0602. So my question for VFX would be, "what is the exact distance traveled by the Hebrews? If it isn't exactly the same, then...
Wait, I forgot that reason and logic don't apply in instances like these. My bad.
Posted by: Be | June 4, 2008 3:18 PM
silly creationist, logic is for everyone!
(unfortunately you are unable to use it)
Posted by: andrew | June 4, 2008 3:18 PM
Actually, it was seven times around Jericho, not six.
Posted by: Moridin | June 4, 2008 3:20 PM
"Another one of his arguments is that water exists nowhere else in the Universe, ergo God made the Earth solely for Man. Yes, he says H20 exists only on Earth."
*howls with laughter* Okay that made up for my lack of advil!
Posted by: Lynnai | June 4, 2008 3:23 PM
Be:
That's sort of beside the point. You still need a radius as well as an angular measurement to make a meaningful comparison. Vanity of vanities, all is strained metaphoric vanity.
Posted by: Brian X | June 4, 2008 3:24 PM
I was recently exhorted to view a vid at "thefirmament.org", which went into exactly this sort of crap. The sun is 864,000 miles in diameter (except it isn't), and Noah's ark, if you assume cubits were two feet, and multiply the length times the width to get the area (gee. . . awfully flat ark Noah built, isn't it?) you get 8,640,000. Oh. . . you cared about units? That's 8 and a half million inches.
I was told all of this would "definitely change my mind" and that it "proved the Bible to be scientifically accurate".
Yikes.
Posted by: CrypticLife | June 4, 2008 3:25 PM
The human colon is shaped like the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. And "colon" has five letters. Add one and you get six, which is the number of days required for Creation. Q.E.D.
Posted by: PatrickHenry | June 4, 2008 3:26 PM
Ah yes, Venomfangx. He is notorious for posting really, really brain-dead videos on youtube, and deleting each and every comment that is, in any way, remotely critical.
thunderf00t has raked this bozo over the coals quite thoroughly in his "why do people laugh at creationists" videos.
Posted by: Raynfala | June 4, 2008 3:27 PM
Water only on Earth? Where did he get that idea? Considering there's ethanol and HCN in the interstellar medium, I find it unlikely that water wouldn't be there too. Even if I didn't know water was fairly abundant out there...
Posted by: Brian X | June 4, 2008 3:27 PM
Blech. One of the basic results of statistics that everyone needs to take into account in critical thinking and going through your daily life, is that coincidences happend more often then you think.
Brian
Posted by: Brian | June 4, 2008 3:29 PM
I don't know, that moldy peanut butter video sets the bar awfully high...
Posted by: Milo Johnson | June 4, 2008 3:29 PM
once a day for 6 days. and seven times on the seventh day. they marched around jericho thirteen times. i haven't seen evidence that creationists can count, let alone do basic math.
Posted by: arachnophilia | June 4, 2008 3:29 PM
Ah, yes, logic, as in:
P1: [Incredibly strained coincidence.]
C1: Therefore, God.
Other than that, I'm at a loss for words.
Posted by: Interrobang | June 4, 2008 3:29 PM
"2 objections I've received 1) They marched 6 times around the city in 6 days, then an additional 7 times on the 7th day 2) The diameter of the moon in 2159 not 2160. Both of these objections totally miss the point! Joshua 6:14 " So on the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. They did this for six days." The 7th day is clearly distinct from the 6 days, as the scripture clearly separates them. Also, 2159 vs 2160 miles is simply nit-picky beyond reason."- VenomFangX
SCREW YOU CONSISTANCY!
Posted by: Daniel | June 4, 2008 3:31 PM
yeah VFX, really puts the "k" in home skooled.
Posted by: qedpro | June 4, 2008 3:33 PM
This one is the best I've seen yet.
From Ted Talks:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ORYKKNoRcDc
Posted by: Serena | June 4, 2008 3:34 PM
Clearly, this fellow is an idiot.
Unfortunately, that never stopped any of the other apologists from talking, and it probably won't stop him.
Oh well.
Posted by: JStein | June 4, 2008 3:35 PM
Oh great, another reason to bring up the "circle of the Earth" argument again.
Too bad for this VenomFangX idiot that while the Hebrews may have covered a cumulative 2160 degrees, they did not walk 2160 English miles, and their marching (however far it was) would have been a practice of traveling the (nearly exactly circular?) circumference of the city, not the diameter, which is a straight line. The circumference of the moon is over 3 times 2160 miles.
VFX = EPIC FAIL
Posted by: BlueIndependent | June 4, 2008 3:37 PM
Ahem. Book of Joshua, chapter the sixth, verses twelve through seventeen:
Posted by: Blake Stacey | June 4, 2008 3:37 PM
"3,000 years before the mile was invented by the English"
YES!!!
Posted by: alex | June 4, 2008 3:38 PM
Daniel: While I know I could easily check on my own, please tell me that even VenomFangX didn't write that...
Brian
Posted by: Brian | June 4, 2008 3:39 PM
You know, I was disinclined to believe that argument until I saw that it was endorsed by cartoon characters.
Posted by: Zeno | June 4, 2008 3:40 PM
3. And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
OK, that's 6 times: once-a-day for 6 days.
4. And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
And that's 7 times in one day.
I've checked this in several different bibles and it's once a day for six days and 7 times in one day for a total of 13 times.
Now, 13*360=4680, which is (almost exactly) the rotational speed of the moon in metres per second.
Proof that a random atheist can invent numerological bullshit... and do it better than a creotard.
Posted by: Emmet Caulfield | June 4, 2008 3:47 PM
He censors the comments. Not all hope is lost.
Posted by: Skwee | June 4, 2008 3:48 PM
Forget the complex arithmetic. The fact that the sun's disk is perfectly covered by the moon's during a total solar eclipse is proof enough of God.
Posted by: Dave Wisker | June 4, 2008 3:48 PM
here is some real creation science from Hovind spawn:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thecreationguys
listen as Eric hovind teaches about intellectual honesty
Posted by: CleveDan | June 4, 2008 3:49 PM
I highly recommend that anyone wanting to get a better idea of just how poorly educated VenomFangX is could do no better than to watch this rebuke by a Christian Doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZWgkyQzpAw (Venomfangx response by DonExodus2). Also, DonExodus2's videos on evolution (in particular his intro) are interesting and full of details. Pity he's a Christian still, but you can't win them all.
If someone responded with a video like that to something I'd made, I'd be shamed out of existence. Won't stop VFX though.
ash
Posted by: ashridah | June 4, 2008 3:50 PM
Re: my #42 s/metres/millimetres/
Doh!
Posted by: Emmet Caulfield | June 4, 2008 3:50 PM
To answer the title of this blog post...
Yes. It is very stupid.
As Ed would say, this is another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
Glad I could clear that up for ya, PZed. =)
Any other questions?
Posted by: FastLane | June 4, 2008 3:55 PM
@Brian X
In addition to water in other bodies of the solar system (Europa is the clearest example, but Jupiter and Saturn also have water ice clouds) astronomers do find water molecules in interstellar clouds, along with the molecules that you cited. For example, water masers (like lasers, but in the microwave) are detected in star forming regions and around super massive black holes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysical_maser
Oh, and who can forget comets!
You came here to have your brain fried by creationist nonsense, but you learned something about water instead :-)
Regarding video: LOL, *cry*, and don't deface Tiny Toons!
Posted by: Nicole | June 4, 2008 3:56 PM
And thus we learn that Système Internationale is indeed decadent and ungodly!
BUT BUT BUT the distance from the poles to the Equator is EXACTOMUNDO 10 000 km! Take that! G-D clearly works in metric!
Posted by: Sili | June 4, 2008 3:58 PM
Oh, and circumference != diameter, duh... So they didn't go around the moon, they cleverly went through it in order to walk it's diameter?
Whoa, good point on #42
Posted by: Nicole | June 4, 2008 3:59 PM
I can distill the existence of god down to three letters:
Yep.
Take that, VenomMuscleCrusaderHeroXXX!
Posted by: Duncan | June 4, 2008 3:59 PM
To summarize: God ordered the soldiers of the Hebrews to march around Jericho 6 times on 6 days, which means they would have traversed 6 * 360°, or 2160 degrees. The moon has a diameter of 2,160 miles. Therefore, God exists.
Actually the moon has a diameter of 1/4 earth. The soldiers were off by 2,159 and 3/4 earths.
Therefore, free pizza!
Posted by: 386sx | June 4, 2008 4:04 PM
None of you are exhibiting the kind of awe VenomFangX probably thinks his name deserves.
It probably took him a long time to think up, he no doubt hugged himself with glee, possibly committed the sin of Onan (who I think got a really raw deal) when he settled on it, so be nice.
Posted by: Peter Mc | June 4, 2008 4:05 PM
Hmmm... Well, I don't think it manages to prove Gawd or anything like that... But it certainly proves this fellow needs better video editing skills.
Also, to use Tiny Toons in such a way!
I think I'm gonna cry. :(
Posted by: Steve Saunders | June 4, 2008 4:11 PM
I hope not. I've got half an ass full already.
The thing is, in my drunken stupor, I've noticed some suspicious characters around here. They may be pawns of VenomWangX...
So, Brian X and 386sx?
I've got my eye on you... I'd better not see any shenanigans.
Posted by: Dan | June 4, 2008 4:11 PM
We need to "belive" god is speaking to us in our time. And we can still prove the existence of god with this story. Venomferangy just forgot to add the days. 13 circuits x 360 = 4680. Now this has to be Kilometers, because why would god only include miles. He needs to prove he knew bout both systems. Now convert Kilometer to Miles and you get 2908 miles.
And we all know this is pretty damn close to the driving distance of 2927 miles (god knew the interstate system too, duh) of The Blue Moon Tavern and Grill in Portland Oregon and the University of Florida which has a sycamore tree that was once a seed aboard the Apollo 14 mission to... the MOON!!!
Therefore God Must Exist. Who else would have known of NASA, a cold beer and a good road trip in 1400 B.C.
Posted by: jc | June 4, 2008 4:11 PM
Refreshing this blog page, I note that the top link says:
"Now on Scienceblogs: Growing Brain Cells to Treat Depression. A clinical trial"
Do you think we could maybe have those folks ship some spares to VenomFangX and his compatriots? Maybe they can do some examination into teh Stoopid as well? I mean Depression is important and all, but surely it is nowhere near as prevalent as just plain dumbosity?
JC
Posted by: Jack Chastain | June 4, 2008 4:11 PM
2160 miles? How many bananas (the perfect fruit shaped to fit human hands) does that work out to be? I bet it something even more mystical and god-proving-like.
Posted by: Larry | June 4, 2008 4:12 PM
The thing is, in my drunken stupor, I've noticed some suspicious characters around here. They may be pawns of VenomWangX...
So, Brian X and 386sx?
I'm not a pawn of VenomFangX, but I do think he's playing a joke on people though! He can't be serious with all that stuff he posts. You never know though. (I guess.)
Posted by: 386sx | June 4, 2008 4:17 PM
Looks to me like this number 2160 is an astronomical/astrological) reference. This is how many years it takes for the Earth to precess through one house of the zodiac.
Since religoid nonsense is mostly bastardized from astronomy/astrology I expect many such "magic" numbers can be found in the Bible as well as other mythological texts.
Posted by: Spocko | June 4, 2008 4:17 PM
Forget the complex arithmetic. The fact that the sun's disk is perfectly covered by the moon's during a total solar eclipse is proof enough of God.
Sh! Don't tell Kenny!
Posted by: Nick Gotts | June 4, 2008 4:25 PM
Ugh, VenomFangx. At best, he's good for a chuckle. Tf00t and many others take him to task well enough.
Posted by: Josh West | June 4, 2008 4:27 PM
with all do respect Mr. Myers. i love your blog and what you're doing to criticize creationism and intelligent design. but i think you're wasting your time (as well as your reader's time, including mine) addressing "appalling ignorance" of some creationists. if you look close enough there are a lot of stupid videos out there on different topics whether be it religion, politics, spirituality, new age, or cooking.
what i want to see is intelligent discussion or debate on religion, science, and philosophy between people like you, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, or Robert Thurman, to name a couple of them.
for example, here's what Taleb says about religion.
"Scientists don't know what they are talking about when they talk about religion. Religion has nothing to do with belief, and I don't believe it has any negative impact on people's lives outside of intolerance. Why do I go to church? It's like asking, why did you marry that woman? You make up reasons, but it's probably just smell. I love the smell of candles. It's an aesthetic thing."
Take away religion, he says, and people start believing in nationalism, which has killed far more people. Religion is also a good way of handling uncertainty. It lowers blood pressure. He's convinced that religious people take fewer financial risks.
here's what Thurman says about religion. in essence he agrees with the "New Atheists" but note that Thurman is a western Buddhist monk.
"Today, we are in this situation where religious fundamentalism has reared its ugly head all over the planet. It's very dangerous and it isn't just as simple as Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins writing some big blast that religion is all crazy.
"It's very important that the clash of these ideas happen in a dialogue form. The department is creating a new center for the critical study of the world religions, which will be a place where basically we'll go after the fundamentalists."
what say you?
it's one thing to make fun of stupid creationist videos. that's so easy. it's another to have real conscientious discussions with people who are as intelligent and evolved as you but don't necessarily agree with your views on religion.
my two cents.
~C
Posted by: ~C4Chaos | June 4, 2008 4:30 PM
You scoffers, remember god had his highest success with the moon. When he wrote his book of books he kind of screwed up with the relative motions of the sun, all the planets and stars to the earth, but he got the moon right!! It does rotate around the earth.
Coupled with this new revelation of rotations of Jericho = diameter of the moon how can you continue your unrelenting to-hell condemning campaign of derision?
Oh yea the Romans defined the mile (1000 Romans paces, 2 steps). God was only 1200 years ahead.
Posted by: d simpson | June 4, 2008 4:31 PM
I love Venom, he is pure entertainment. I usually comment on his videos in a rather sarcastic way so I can get my comment through his filter:
Stepididntsee: "Woah, how could that be in the bible if it isn't true? These atheists are getting very desperate totally twisting logic! They latch on to anything to prove their "theory" just because they wish it to be true.
God bless you Venom."
He says he has only been a Christian for 2 years but he must have really jumped in head first. All of his Kent Hovind arguments have been debunked over and over by Thunderfoot, Donexodus, and Angry Atheist. However he still just keeps on going, lying through his teeth because he feels he is justified as long as he's saving souls.
I'm worried about him a little. After watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYBmBB-7pE you just have to wonder what is going on in his mind. He dresses up as batman and pretends that he is "Allah" ... in case you don't feel like watching it.
God bless you Venom, god bless you.
Posted by: Adam | June 4, 2008 4:35 PM
Oh ... my ... god ...
I can only conclude someone else made this up as a joke and this clueless guy didn't realize it was a joke and posted it in seriousness with his label on it.
I mean it *reeks* of satire.
Um, is the moon's diameter 2,160 miles?
Posted by: woozy | June 4, 2008 4:36 PM
No, but He is English. After all, isn't the King James Version the one true Bible"?
Posted by: SteveM | June 4, 2008 4:36 PM
I knew it was VenomFangX as soon as he opened his mouth and I was in for a load of virulent stupidity. He didn't disappoint either. Unfortunately, that's probably more rational than some of the nonsense he has up on YouTube, but it demonstrates the kind of wishful thinking that creationists use to "prove" their case.
The only good VenomFangX does is show the common man just how stupid theists are.
Posted by: Cephus | June 4, 2008 4:39 PM
~C4Chaos, there are many different kinds of posts around here, you should poke your head around and see its not all just kooks.
All the benefits of religion can be gained in other ways. You know what they say, the drunk person is happier than the sober person, anyway.
If you get rid of religion, you say there will be nationalism. So lets get rid of nationalism too. You/that person is committing the Perfect solution fallacy.
Posted by: Dennis N | June 4, 2008 4:41 PM
Thus spoke God, "Fuck the metric system."
Posted by: Tosser | June 4, 2008 4:42 PM
Guys, guys, you are making your lives SO complicated. 13 is simply the number of times the Moon orbits the Earth per year.
(Actually, it's more like 13.36 times, but then, we don't really want to be decimally-inclined smartypants, do we?)
Posted by: Luis | June 4, 2008 4:43 PM
VenomfangX is wrong. God works in radians.
How do I know? Well, six circles makes 12(pi), or, about 37.7 radians. And, if I look at this one playlist I have on iTunes, and add White Moon, by the White Stripes, its time comes out to 37.7 minutes. So, there. God even knew what music I'd be listening to, about 3400 years before I or my songs existed.
Posted by: mona | June 4, 2008 4:44 PM
Never mind all that marching and turning. Pay attention to what God's soldiers did once they got inside the city:
Nice, eh?
Posted by: beagledad | June 4, 2008 4:48 PM
Check out this "highlight" reel of VenomFangX's rantings. The lyrics to the song even call him a "fucktard," which is my personal favorite label for creationists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnRYoNal80
This is what happens to your brain when you go through all of college without getting a single blow job.
Posted by: Tosser | June 4, 2008 4:49 PM
#1 - The proper tune while you moon -
Row, row, row, your boat,
Gently down the stream.
Belts off, trouser's down,
Isn't life a scream?
Hugh Laurie
Posted by: Patricia C. | June 4, 2008 4:51 PM
@74: All except for the Prostitute/Harlot (version-dependent), of course. Maybe her name was Brenda?? ;-)
JC
Posted by: JackC | June 4, 2008 4:51 PM
@75: Actually, the song is calling Kent Hovind a "Fucktard" - but it sure fits VFX and innumerable others. But I enjoyed the video - Thanks!
JC
Posted by: JackC | June 4, 2008 4:57 PM
VenomFangX may be on to something. Here's another godly proof I just
pulled out my assdeduced:The number 40 is mentioned extremely often in the Bible (especially OT). 40 days of rain, 40 years wandering the desert, Egypt cursed for 40 years, Moses staying on the mountain for 40 days, various kings ruling for 40 years, and probably 40 other examples.
How do you explain the number of times 40 appears compared to, say, 39? By the laws of statistics, 39 ought to appear as frequently as 40, yet it does not! CLEARLY this is proof of divine planning.
Take that, unbelievers!
Posted by: trj | June 4, 2008 4:57 PM
Logic? Of course, the diameter of the moon is not 2160 miles exactly anyway. Nor is it in fact even uniform at all spots.
Also, it is interesting that god order some folks to do something that turns out to have a number that is close to the diameter of the moon. But if God told someone to do something that in its self would be proof of God. Of course, there is the issue of verification, etc.
Posted by: George | June 4, 2008 5:21 PM
This isn't real...right? Like, this is a joke...err, right?
Posted by: Chris (in Columbus) | June 4, 2008 5:22 PM
Brian, it is a VFX quote from the youtube video comment section. He really is that retarded.
Posted by: Daniel | June 4, 2008 5:28 PM
Chaos @ 64 To use your cited quote: "Religion has nothing to do with belief". Huh? You mean it's just like saying that a rectum has nothing to do with feces? It's just incredible what religion can make unsound minds formulate such insane crap!
Posted by: Holbach | June 4, 2008 5:31 PM
With arguments like these I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. "... and god chose to corelated the diameter of the moon to the number of times they walked around Jericho because .....?" I mean if this is beyond coincidence, it must be for a purpose. Wouldn't knowing the purpose be part of the argument.
Um, not only is the "mile" an arbitrary measure, so is the "degree". Don't know if anyone pointed that out. .... oh, lot's of you did .... well, good on you!
Posted by: woozy | June 4, 2008 5:39 PM
VFX is training to replace Kent Hovind, at least while he is in jail.
Posted by: FSM! | June 4, 2008 5:45 PM
I thought this was a joke too... ARGH! It's even more upsetting that people are praising his logic in the comments section of the video. GRR! crappy ass logic for mentally incompetent sheep.
Posted by: Roy McKenzie | June 4, 2008 5:47 PM
Whenever I see his videos or hear his voice, I always get the impression that VFX should just come out of the closet already. He'd be much happier.
(I've only seen his schtick via Thundef00t and DonExodus2. I refuse to actually watch that drivel directly as my brain would melt)
Posted by: Don Smith, FCD | June 4, 2008 5:47 PM
I've only seen VFX's schtick via Thundef00t and DonExodus2. I refuse to actually watch that drivel directly as my brain would melt
ditto
Posted by: brightmoon | June 4, 2008 5:53 PM
Thanks for the warning - I cannot STAND venomfangx. Something about his voice, arrogance and what he says always makes me want to reach through the screen and slap him. Clips from venomfangx that are included for rebuttal purposes are the only real downside to watching thunderfoot's stuff. Added bonus - Tfoot's voice and what he has to say are teh sexy (math... physics... logic, yum :) ), which acts as an antidote.
Posted by: JCE | June 4, 2008 5:55 PM
My favourite comment on YouTube:
"Wow...atheists simply can't reject this!"
Posted by: Tom | June 4, 2008 6:06 PM
Wouldn't it have been easier for God to just say "the diameter of The Moon is 2159 miles"?
Posted by: MF | June 4, 2008 6:06 PM
VenomFangX is dead last of the entire internets. Together with only the Chiquita Bros and Chuck "peanut butter" Missler.
But he has me a bit perplexed - there's SOMETHING in him, that wants to think. Seriously. He likes to try and think, but somehow it just goes horribly wrong and gets him into the most extraordinary insanity...
Posted by: Frederik Rosenkjær | June 4, 2008 6:11 PM
Re:#75, The song is Tribute to Kent Hovind by EddyGoombah (animation in this version by Chrisboe4ever). Kent was sent to jail the same week as his birthday. Earlier this year, the first anniversary of his incarceration and his 55th birthday turned up some pretty vicious stuff during "Kent Hovind Week".
Posted by: Emmet Caulfield | June 4, 2008 6:12 PM
I've been letting my kids watch VFX's videos so they have an example of how stupid believing that big black book can make you. And Thunderfoot takes VFX to school. I've been letting them watch Thunderfoot's, too.
A couple weeks ago, VFX challenged Thunderfoot to a debate. It's right on VFX's profile page.
First thought that came to my mind: Wow, dude, you're gonna get your ass kicked.
Second thought: Cool!
Posted by: MikeM | June 4, 2008 6:20 PM
"...invented by the English"
Wow, so by redefining an already existing measurement I can be an inventor? Cool, I now define a mile as 1,000 lengths of Dawkins' arm as measure by his tailor on June 2, 2007. I is an inventor! Question is, did God foresee that?
Posted by: Mod | June 4, 2008 6:21 PM