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Category: Humor
Posted on: July 25, 2008 5:43 PM, by PZ Myers
You may remember Edmondson as the creator of the Beware the Believers viral video — he took a little time to immortalize a recent event.
Richard Dawkins gets lucky in this one.
Comments
no squid hat? aw
Posted by: skyotter | July 25, 2008 5:51 PM
ow...
Posted by: Jason Failes | July 25, 2008 5:55 PM
Hmmm... it seems to be missing something.
Posted by: King of Ferrets | July 25, 2008 5:55 PM
It's no Dr. Horrible, but it's not bad.
Posted by: chancelikely | July 25, 2008 6:01 PM
oh joy, here we go again
Posted by: Remy-Grace | July 25, 2008 6:02 PM
What, the film maker didn't come up with a humorous depiction of Mohammed being tortured? I'm sure you're about to be peppered with accusations of favortism toward Muslims ...
Posted by: Mark B | July 25, 2008 6:05 PM
I've pasted pictures of Pimp Dennett over the real pictures in all of the copies of his books on my shelf.
Posted by: Dustin | July 25, 2008 6:06 PM
Wow PZ, the good Dawktor's friend is one hell of a hot little number. Your "J. 'Uncle' Giggles Flintstone" laugh isn't bad, either.
Posted by: Brownian, OM | July 25, 2008 6:08 PM
Posted by: Dustin | July 25, 2008 6:08 PM
Heheheheheeeee
Go Dawkins!
Posted by: Cthulhu | July 25, 2008 6:08 PM
Wow the Dawkins part was frightening.
Posted by: charfles | July 25, 2008 6:11 PM
Re: Remy
Again and again. I wouldn't be surprised if Donohue didn't belch again with this picture. As I noted on another thread, the last time he belched he did it in the face of the Board of Regents for the U. of Minnesota. On that Board you have Clyde Allen was was Vice-President of Concordia College and Dean Johnson who spent 35 years of his life as Pastor of Calvary Lutheran Church and got his Master's from Luther Theological Seminary. I don't see where either of those guys are going to find PZ's antics amusing.
Posted by: Max Verret | July 25, 2008 6:13 PM
Oh, that was a rusty nail in PZ's hand! I at first thought it was a long cigarette holder. (Don't all supervillains have those?)
Posted by: Zeno | July 25, 2008 6:13 PM
My crane rocks, your skyhook sucks.
_____
very catchy.
Posted by: Logicel | July 25, 2008 6:14 PM
Posted by: Dustin | July 25, 2008 6:15 PM
I find it very entertaining that the guy who was hired to make some kind of viral for Expelled displays more understanding of the subjects he depicts then most creationists.
I mean, I've never ever heard a creationist tackle the skyhook vs. crane issue, let alone show that they are familiar with the concepts. Same thing with some of the philosophical references he tucked away in his original work for Expelled.
Posted by: Dutch Delight | July 25, 2008 6:19 PM
That NUN was hot!!! Are they all like that??? I wanna go to Catholic school.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 25, 2008 6:20 PM
No, just the big breasted females in evening gowns villians.
Posted by: Norman Doering | July 25, 2008 6:20 PM
*clears throat*
OMG U GUISE I THINK THAT TREY PARKER AND MATT STONE MADE THIS CUZ IT IS JUST SO FUNNY OH MY GOD!
Posted by: Dustin. Old Thread, Redux. | July 25, 2008 6:22 PM
Okay, I know what I'm going to be for Halloween this year.
Posted by: Felicia | July 25, 2008 6:22 PM
No, just the big breasted females in evening gowns villians.
Like the ones who are too important to be captured?
Posted by: Brownian, OM | July 25, 2008 6:25 PM
Science will always prevail over religion in terms of excellent belts.
Posted by: Will K. | July 25, 2008 6:29 PM
you people are disgusting. how dare you insult the Catholic Church? It is the only true church and I am proud to say that. I love the Lord, and I will not rot in hell someday like you people.
Posted by: Julie | July 25, 2008 6:31 PM
Hey, that's not Romana!!! ;^)
Posted by: Mena | July 25, 2008 6:33 PM
Hell no! Most of them look like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwsk/91947265/
Also, google Mother Teresa.
Posted by: Norman Doering | July 25, 2008 6:33 PM
Hi Julie, you seem upset?
Posted by: Dutch Delight | July 25, 2008 6:35 PM
You don't rot in hell stupid, you burn! Try to pay attention next time you go to mass, you prideful, prissy simpleton.
Posted by: Brownian, OM | July 25, 2008 6:36 PM
and I will not rot in hell someday like you people.
Someone's getting tingly thinking about eternal torture.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 25, 2008 6:39 PM
#12, I predict the same. BD will keep squawking IFF it generates national attention. He's other blogs that have made the same host-threats but don't have a national readership. Not only that, I sent my letter directly to the Catholic League, and got no response at all. The more this goes on, the more they show up as attention whores.
Posted by: watercat | July 25, 2008 6:42 PM
Ha! Watch the fourth YouTube video after this one ends. The event set to the music of 2girls1desecration.
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By the way, I preemptively nominate myself for Order of the Molly because I got the last comment on the desecration thread (besides PZ shutting it down).
Posted by: Chris Bell | July 25, 2008 6:42 PM
Translated: "You're having fun there. Stop that. Fun is against Jesus. Stop it right now, I say. There will be no fun antics or shenanigans so long as I'm here. This is not a hootenanny. You must stop having fun since I believe in Jesus and am well within my rights to tell you not to have any fun whatsoever."
Posted by: Capital Dan | July 25, 2008 6:45 PM
Well, I hope enough people get to see this before YouTube removes it - I've just tried to watch all the related video suggestions that appear after this one, and each one gives the telling little "This video is no longer available" message. I suspect it has more to do with the Quran than the cracker; we've all seen that Muslims have no sense of humour when it comes to cartoons and caricatures.
Posted by: SSiE | July 25, 2008 6:47 PM
Posted by: Norman Doering | July 25, 2008 6:48 PM
"Academic freedom is not the issue: academic malpractice is. For example, Section 10.21 (b) of UMN's Tenure Code explicitly says that a tenured faculty member can be terminated or suspended for 'unprofessional conduct which severely impairs a faculty member's fitness in a professional capacity.'
"In 2001, this part of the Tenure Code was invoked against a professor at UMN because he had images of child porn on his computer. It should now be invoked against Myers. It strains credulity to maintain that Christian students can expect fair treatment by a faculty member who has publicly shown nothing but contempt for their religion."
...The storm begins...
Posted by: john | July 25, 2008 6:50 PM
I'd say more uptight than upset. It's Friday, and what with crazy gas prices and all, Jebus ain't exactly banging on her door begging to knock the cobwebs out of her dusty, unused, Catholic baby-maker.
Posted by: Capital Dan | July 25, 2008 6:51 PM
ignoring. He's ignoring other blogs.
shit.
and #17--trust me, you don't wanna go to catholic school. Our nuns told us those habits are sacred,(like Mormon underwear i guess)and they never,"never" take them off, even to bathe. Srly. My response to that got me in a lot of trouble. LOL
Posted by: watercat | July 25, 2008 6:51 PM
Yes John, you're right. This was the same as committing a felony.
Posted by: Chris Bell | July 25, 2008 6:52 PM
Quote Montgomery Burns:
"EEEEEXCELLENT!"
Posted by: M.Filla | July 25, 2008 6:52 PM
Hooray! I've always like the Edmondson videos, and kudos to him for staying cagey on his actual feelings for so long. He does a great job with these things. Also, there's just something about Pimp Dennett ...
Posted by: JoeBlu | July 25, 2008 6:57 PM
Posted by: Dustin | July 25, 2008 6:58 PM
#31 you're on solid theological ground there. We discussed whether working on our cars was a sin on Sunday, when it might not be unavoidable. The nuns ruled that "If you enjoy it, it's a sin."
Posted by: watercat | July 25, 2008 7:01 PM
"I suspect it has more to do with the Quran than the cracker"
This whole *thing* is about a cracker. This is *cracker-gate*. It couldn't *be* more crackery.
Posted by: Woobegone | July 25, 2008 7:05 PM
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the storm intensifies...
Posted by: john | July 25, 2008 7:06 PM
None of the nuns at my Catholic school looked like this, all the hot chicks dig scientists.
John @ ". It strains credulity to maintain that Christian students can expect fair treatment by a faculty member who has publicly shown nothing but contempt for their religion."
The same argument can be made against any self avowed Christian since discrimination against unbelievers is a basic tenant of the religion.
Of course it also says things like "Judge not lest ye be judged" John but you really could careless what that book says because like us, you know it is not real, right?
Posted by: Bob L | July 25, 2008 7:07 PM
@27 - LMAO! ... I think I just peed a little!! ;-)LOL!!
Posted by: S.Scott | July 25, 2008 7:07 PM
Re;#34. It strains credibility that the person quoted thinks it's right to sack a lecturer on the basis that the lecturer might discriminate against a group of students. There is no evidence that Prof. Myers has discriminated against Christian students, ergo there is no case to answer. And as for the attempt to portray desecrating crackers and bad fiction as being offences of similar magnitude to possessing child porn...sheer stupidity.
I assume the person quoted was Mr Bill Donahue. In which case he seems to be starting to sound almost as swivel-eyed and hysterical as another Bill these days - Bill O'Reilly. Either that, or I've been listening too much to Keith Olbermann, like the filthy librul that I am.
Posted by: David Lewis | July 25, 2008 7:08 PM
@#34
"his part of the Tenure Code was invoked against a professor at UMN because he had images of child porn on his computer. It should now be invoked against Myers."
Are you seriously comparing what PZ did to child pornography? PZ put a nail through a cracker = Not illegal, Child Pornography = Illegal, seems a little different to me
"It strains credulity to maintain that students can expect fair treatment by a faculty member who has publicly shown nothing but contempt for their religion"
Well luckily P.Z. isn't a theology Professor so students beliefs shouldn't come up in his lectures.
Posted by: jj | July 25, 2008 7:12 PM
Making the nooze again, PZ:
Story here
Posted by: True Bob | July 25, 2008 7:12 PM
I wanna be at UMM when the hot Nuns come to protest! What's the penalty for Nun desacration?
Posted by: Steve_C | July 25, 2008 7:12 PM
It strains credulity to maintain that Christian students can expect fair treatment by a faculty member who has publicly shown nothing but contempt for their religion."
Is it just me, or do all the recent trolls suffer from a complete lack of irony? That's got to be pretty debilitating going through life without irony.
Posted by: Todd | July 25, 2008 7:17 PM
Poor John.
So much irrational hatred and no way to let it out.
Posted by: Capital Dan | July 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Same thing Dawkins is getting.
Posted by: True Bob | July 25, 2008 7:18 PM
"It strains credulity to maintain that Christian students can expect fair treatment by a faculty member who has publicly shown nothing but contempt for their religion."
PZ has been teaching Christian (and Muslim, etc.) students for years now, without any problems I've heard of -- and no doubt there's at least one or two students every year who would love to catch him in some act of in-class discrimination. So the only thing that strains credulity is this speculation of future persecution.
Does it also strain credulity to maintain that atheist students can expect fair treatment from theist professors who write pro-religion blogs, books, op-ed pieces, etc.?
Professors are (so I'm told) human beings. They're going to have views on religion, politics, and all sorts of other controversial subjects. Firing any professor who expresses such views is not going to leave you with a faculty of folks who are completely neutral on every issue, because those people don't exist. It's just going to leave you with a faculty of people who are too scared to speak their minds. Which, of course, is the real goal of those calling for PZ's head.
Posted by: Screechy Monkey | July 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Since god(s) does/do not exist, this missing scene represented all there is to represent about *that* version of "god" (or "dog" to dislexics), so it *is* a correct representation of the figurehead of Islam, so Edmondson and Myers are *both* in trouble here.
Will the vid make the top played list?
Posted by: marc buhler | July 25, 2008 7:20 PM
I love PZ's evil cackle.
Posted by: Ghost of Minnesota | July 25, 2008 7:21 PM
hm. I would have thought PZ's maniacal laughter would have been deeper, not so much in the falsetto range.
And it should have squishy, squeltchy sounds in it too - like the sounds of tentacles coming loose from the muddy, watery depths after eons of sleep.
Posted by: calladus | July 25, 2008 7:23 PM
Very clever. Again. Kudos to Edmondson. And this time we don't have to play games trying to guess who did this :)
Now all we have to wonder about is whether the Dawk slipped him a few bucks under the table to arrange his "punishment."
Posted by: Sastra | July 25, 2008 7:24 PM
Chris Bell-
Please see my post #7 at this thread-
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/baylor_rededicates_itself_to_b.php
bf
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | July 25, 2008 7:32 PM
Thanks Ben! I couldn't believe I slipped that last comment in! A moment's hesitation, and the moment would have been lost.
Posted by: Chris Bell | July 25, 2008 7:38 PM
Hey John,
The only storm is in your delusional head.
Wanna bet that PZ weathers this "storm" and goes on to successfully ridicule your stupid religion for years to come?
Posted by: The Adamant Atheist | July 25, 2008 7:47 PM
True Bob @48: Thanks for posting the link to that article.
My favorite part is at the end: "Many rank-and-file Roman Catholics do not endorse the [Catholic] league, which has no formal affiliation with the Catholic Church, because they consider it a reactionary orthodox group run by publicity-seekers. It's [sic] president, Bill Donohue, has gone on record with inflammatory remarks about Jews, Muslims and gays."
I'd love to see something like that in every article that insists on quoting that professional victim Donohue.
Posted by: Screechy Monkey | July 25, 2008 7:47 PM
Interesting how the folks at the Dawkins forum seemed to not get the Believers rap. They basically didn't think it was funny and were obsessing over whose side the film was taking. I thought it was taking the piss out of everyone and was more silliness than satire. It was definitely working on more than one layer at once and has everyone arguing over who the target is. I do think the Expelled people definitely got pwn3d when they financed it. The video seems good-naturedly absurd and I buy it when Edmonson says he "just wanted to make something [he] thought was funny." Fair play to you, sir!
Posted by: CS Lewis Jr. | July 25, 2008 7:50 PM
#43: Some points.
A case of discrimination per UMM's code would have to involve the following
* PZ physically harmed a student due to prejudice
* PZ physically harmed a student's property due to prejudice
* PZ verbally abused a student due to prejudice
* PZ graded a student based on prejudice
* PZ, in some fashion, taunted students due to prejudice
Is what PZ did the embodiment of "open liberalness" sought by the mssion statement? Not really. His actions don't really hold up as well. But it doesn't infringe on any policies warrant of being removed as a faculty member.
My catholic friend said something very powerful to me the other day. "All this silliness over a stupid cracker". I guess the lives of some Catholics are so boring they must unite under a silly banner to protect even more silliness.
Posted by: Shawn Wilkinson | July 25, 2008 7:50 PM
Hey John and the rest of you dipshits, did it ever occur to you that PZ has a lot of backers here? If something were to happen to him, it would unleash a wave of host desecration beyond anything in your worse nightmares! In other words, lay off the prof. or the cracker gets it.
Posted by: Taz | July 25, 2008 7:55 PM
"Jesus and Mo" cartoon has it's own take on the cracker madness. Four days starting with
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2008/07/09/wafer/
...or should it be Krackers and Mo?
Posted by: terrylong | July 25, 2008 7:56 PM
What's sad is, you can't really tell if the cracker was a true host or just a cracker. For all we know, PZ ordered the Jesus-to-go boxes, drank the juice and nailed a cracker that hadn't been enchanted by prayed to by a priest. He can only go by the word of the person who gave the host to him, and so we can only go by this person's words.
Isn't it amazing how everything reduces to what people say? PZ says this is a host. The giver says it is a host. The priest says this cracker is the body of Christ. Jesus said remember him when you eat bread.
Ugh. I say whatever.
Posted by: Shawn Wilkinson | July 25, 2008 8:00 PM
#64--
Hear hear, atheists and skeptics are capable of solidarity too.
By the way, doesn't Jesus instruct his followers not to resist evildoers in the Bible? It's a point-blank, unambiguous instruction. Seems like they're defying their Lord and Savior by resisting desecration.
Posted by: The Adamant Atheist | July 25, 2008 8:07 PM
I love it!
Posted by: Patricia | July 25, 2008 8:09 PM
So much for Bill Donahue's demands and empty threats:
UNIV. OF MINN. REFUSES TO PENALIZE MYERS
July 25, 2008
The Chancellor of the University of Minnesota, Morris (UMN) released a statement today regarding the intentional desecration of the Eucharist by Professor Paul Z. Myers. "I believe that behaviors that discriminate against or harass individuals or groups on the basis of their religious beliefs are reprehensible," said Jacqueline Johnson. Importantly, she added that the school's Code of Conduct prohibits such behavior. However, she also stressed that academic freedom allows faculty members "to speak or write as a public citizen without institutional discipline or restraint...." Nowhere did she say Myers would be disciplined
The law is on the professors's side.
Posted by: John | July 25, 2008 8:10 PM
I had to look up the crane/skyhook thing. Forgive me, Pimp Dennett.
Posted by: beth | July 25, 2008 8:11 PM
John @ #34
Analogy FAIL!
Now, if another professor had gone to hospitals to pick out babies and chop them up with a sharp cleaver, then you might have a fair case.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | July 25, 2008 8:12 PM
Hah! I loved that last scene. My cat didn't though as my laughter caused her severe emotional distress. Surely I can complain to someone about that right? Surely I can create some sort of media frenzy since my cat is much more important than a cracker.
Speaking of which, it's rather sad to see that some Catholics still can't tell the difference between child abuse and the disposal of an unwanted cracker.
Oh, and where's the squid hat? I still want one.
Posted by: Julie K | July 25, 2008 8:12 PM
Only 70ish comments so far? People must be getting writer's cramp.
Posted by: The Chemist | July 25, 2008 8:15 PM
Just in case to let you guys know, I found the Beware the Believers video in the torrents, in glorious 720p high definition video. It looks AWESOME! Look it up, there weren't too many seeds, but I downloaded it not too long ago.
Posted by: andyo | July 25, 2008 8:17 PM
PS: Kudos to Edmondson - again.
Posted by: Sili | July 25, 2008 8:18 PM
#74 - I'll seed this one too.
Posted by: Michael Edmondson | July 25, 2008 8:21 PM
In honor of this video, and the entire cracker affair, I am going to mix up a special cocktail and say a toast (or should that be a wafer) to PZ Myers for actions above and beyond the call of duty*.
Rusty Nail Recipe
The Rusty Nail is a Scottish drink blending Scotch and Drambuie. This is a perfect cocktail for fall / autumn drinking, with its golden brown color and hearty kick!
For those who are curious, Drambuie is a mixed liquor made in Scotland, and its name comes from the Gaelic phrase "the drink that satisfies". It is mostly Scotch whisky blends plus honey.
Really, Scotch Whisky (or Scotch for short) is just whisky made in Scotland. The flavor variation comes, as with wines and other handmade items, from the local ingredients used. In this case, it has to do with the Scotch waters, the peat used to cook the malt, and other similar idiosyncracies.
To make a Rusty Nail, fill an old-fashioned glass with ice cubes. Pour in 3/4oz Scotch. Gently add the 1/4oz Drambuie. Depending on your taste preferences, you can also go with 1 shot Scotch and 1 shot Drambuie. I suppose it depends if you have a really good Scotch that you want to appreciate, or if you want to drown out your mediocre Scotch with the honey in the Drambuie. For me, it's the Glen Livet.
And, of course, I'm going to have some hors d'œuvre made with:
ChristOCrackers - The Perfect cracker with Rusty Nails
...
..
.
*some shameless sucking up for a Molly - How could it hurt?
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | July 25, 2008 8:25 PM
Michael,
I think there's a market for that squid/octopus hat you gave PZ in Beware the Believers. Just sayin'...
Posted by: Julie K | July 25, 2008 8:27 PM
Taz #64 wrote:
I remember once, when what's called the "Flag Protection Amendment" (a law to make it a criminal act to 'desecrate' the American flag) was making another one of its dreary rounds among grandstanding members of Congress, one of its main supporters unexpectedly withdrew his support. He explained to the press that he did so because he had realized that the many people who were against the law were vowing to burn the American flag in protest, if it passed. Hundred and thousands of them.
The congressman said that the bill would then have the opposite effect from what was intended. As it is, hardly anyone burns American flags. But a lot of people would do so for the sole and only purpose of protesting the Flag Protection Amendment, and standing up for the First Amendment. A free society should have no political prisoners charged with "desecration."
The analogy is not perfect, of course, but it seems to me that PZ's act of desecrating the Eucharist can be compared to someone burning the American flag for just the reason I mentioned above. It is not in protest of American policy, or the Constitution. It is not because of hatred of America or Americans. It is not to cause distress to patriots and the weeping mothers of dead soldiers. It is not an act of hate directed at individuals, or a threat meant to intimidate anyone.
It's because destroying a symbol to make a point -- even a bad one -- should NOT be treated like an aggressive act of violence. And that point can perhaps be made best by destroying the symbol, to show that it has no real power.
It's just a piece of cloth. Or, a cracker.
Posted by: Sastra | July 25, 2008 8:34 PM
Michael,
Kudos again.
It's a bit short, though. I can't wait for the special edition DVD with the uncensored director's cut. (I hear the nude scene with Mohammed and his 9-year-old wife just rocks.)
More, please.
Posted by: Paul W. | July 25, 2008 8:39 PM
Michael - LOL! That was great!
Posted by: foxfire | July 25, 2008 8:40 PM
In case you've forgotten, Protestants revolted against the Catholic church as a corrupt bastion of idolatry and superstition. After 400 years of bloody warfare and due to a lack of access to tanks, rockets, artillery, fighter planes, and nukes, they have wound down to name calling. Fundies today frequently refer to it as the Church of Satan and the Pope as the Antichrist.
Martin Luther was the leader and had a death sentence on his head. I'm sure that the Lutherans are laughing their ass off and hoping someone else will start the Reformation wars up again. They have long memories.
The problem with leaving a 2,000 year trail of dead bodies of Jews, heretics, Moslems, Protestants, scientists, and alleged witches: While the victims are dead, their friends, family, and ingroup members haven't forgotten.
Posted by: raven | July 25, 2008 8:40 PM
Wow. I'm almost speechless.
Posted by: Kobra | July 25, 2008 8:47 PM
Ha, that was great! Very cute. Although, I was not expecting that Dawkins bondage, yikes! I sense a nightmare tonight.
Posted by: LisaJ | July 25, 2008 8:51 PM
Hmmm, looks like Donohue doesn't like Jews. Or Moslems. Why didn't he include Protestants? Oh that is right. Last time they started massacring Protestants, those apostates murdered them back. So he is a bully as well.
Reminds me of Orwell's 1984. They must start their day with an hour of hate with pictures of anyone who is not Catholic, Jews, Moslems, gays, Protestants, atheists, hindus and so on. Bunch of bigots.
Posted by: raven | July 25, 2008 8:52 PM
Julie @23
So, the whole deal is:
"I am thy Lord. Thou shalt love Me or else thou shalt rot in hell."
It looks like grounds for a civil action lawsuit over sexual harassment, if you ask me.
Screechy Monkey @61
Its sick president?
Posted by: Andrés Diplotti | July 25, 2008 8:54 PM
That's exactly my reasoning, thinking of the story that the Danes all wore yellow stars in defiance of the Nazis. After every blog on the internet has posted the mohammed cartoons, that issue has lost its power as well. If every blogger expressed their non-reverence of the host, going after all of them in response would keep Billy D busy 24/7. Two of us have done it so far; me, and
Norm , that I know of. Also, I sent mine directly to the catholic league. I don't believe real catholics care, since every altar boy I ever knew did this same shit.
Posted by: watercat | July 25, 2008 8:58 PM
Sastra, I was one of those people. I care for my country, but it is just a cloth, and if you make it "sacred", I'll burn one toot sweet (sic), in mourning for my country.
Another note, it would truly be a thought crime. Proper disposal of the US Flag, per US Code, is by burning. It's what you're thinking that matters to those authoritarians
Posted by: True Bob | July 25, 2008 8:59 PM
Well, then they will also have to get rid of all the Catholic professors. Catholics have a long history of discriminating against and killing Jews, Protestants, Moslems, MDs, Scientists, and atheists. In fact the last Protestant shot by a Catholic was in Northern Ireland a few years ago.
Judging from the trolls on this site, never know when a Catholic professor will go all medieval on the students and start torturing them for being heretics and then burning them at the stake.
And watch out for the Wiccan students. After 500 years of witch hunts, just keep hoping they don't decide it is time for a catholic hunt. Payback can be a bitch.
Posted by: raven | July 25, 2008 9:01 PM
Andre @ 86
If the wafer is really God, then doesn't it follow that we can press criminal charges against the wafer, convict it as a serial sex offender and incarcerate it? Maybe in a garbage can.
Posted by: watercat | July 25, 2008 9:09 PM
Mr. Myers,
You are truly a sick, sick man! Your satanic sacrilege against the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is an abomination!!! You should be punished for your crimes against He who died to save your soul. And this is how you treat Him!!!
May God have mercy on your poor soul.
May God have mercy on your poor soul.
May God have mercy on your poor soul.
Posted by: Br. Anthony | July 25, 2008 9:10 PM
Bro, you are WAY late to this party. I'm sure you are correct, though. Cheeses would surely want PZ punished.
Posted by: True Bob | July 25, 2008 9:14 PM
SSiE:
Press the Menu button on the Youtube video, copy and paste the url in a new tab/window, and see if that works.
For some reason an embedded Youtube video may give the message that the video has been removed when in fact it's still there.
Posted by: swangeese | July 25, 2008 9:19 PM
Br. Anthony:
"We appreciate your concern. It is noted and stupid."
Also, questions end with the curvey ones that look like this: ?
Posted by: BG | July 25, 2008 9:25 PM
Michael Edmonson @#74,
Saw your comment early in the desecration thread* and meant to