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Posted on: July 23, 2008 3:02 PM, by PZ Myers
Yes, the sad little cracker has met its undignified end, so stop pestering me. The cracker, the koran, and another surprise entry have been violated and are gone. You'll have to wait until tomorrow for the details, what little of them there are. I must quickly apologize to all you good Catholics who were hoping to attend Mass, since you can't anymore — I have been told many hundreds of times now that cracker abuse violates your right to practice your religion. I guess you'll have to adapt. Secular humanism is a good alternative, if you aren't already flocking to join the Mormons.
Anyway, I've got important things to do today. It's my oldest son's birthday, and I told him that as a gift to me him, I'd take myself him to see The Dark Knight. I sure hope the world doesn't end before the movie does.
Comments
I have a feeling there is someone somewhere feeling victorious about this :P
Posted by: Louis Bérubé | July 23, 2008 3:18 PM
Oh the suspense is killing me. That is, the suspense to see the hysterical over-reaction, not so much for the details of what you did to it.
Posted by: Mike | July 23, 2008 3:18 PM
Since the world is ending, with PZ's violation of holy flesh, I guess I'd best start the looting.
Seriously, I'm glad that this nonsense will be over soon.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Glen Davidson | July 23, 2008 3:18 PM
No worries. I was just watching an old Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends episode on american religions, and according to the religious experts, the world is going to end in Sept., 1994.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 3:19 PM
PZ,
Glad this incident is behind all of us. Enjoy the film, particularly (SPOILER ALERT) Joker's "magic trick" (END SPOILER ALERT).
Also, the "Watchmen" trailer rocks.
Cheers!
Posted by: Bureaucratus Minimis | July 23, 2008 3:20 PM
Oh man, Sept of 94 was a rough month. MY world ended when she reached down my throat and pulled my heart out. Wow, what a prophesy.
Posted by: Bunk | July 23, 2008 3:21 PM
Does the trash really get taken out so early there? It's not winter, so it should still be light out.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:21 PM
Wonder what the 'surprise entry was'. It must be serious business if PZ mentioned the Koran but not the 'surprise entry'.
Maybe it was the Mormon underpants. Or a dish of pasta.
Posted by: forti | July 23, 2008 3:22 PM
Oh no...not good. The tides are receding, the wind has come to a sudden halt, the sky has turned red beneath a fading sun, and, across the intertubes, the holy swarms of Crusading larvae come to claim vengeance for the defiled crackers! Head for the high ground, people!
Posted by: Asylum Seeker | July 23, 2008 3:22 PM
Let the weeping and wailing, the mortification of flesh, the loving threats of death commence.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:23 PM
Happy Birthday to your son! :-) Hope you guys have fun at the movies!
Posted by: Joanna | July 23, 2008 3:25 PM
Just kidding. I can't remember what I did in Sept 07, much less 1994. I probably threw a party simply because the month was SO good.
Posted by: Bunk | July 23, 2008 3:26 PM
Oh, that explains it. I was wondering why the planets were in conjunction above a blood-red full moon this morning. I didn't hear anything about it on Jack Horkheimer's show.
Posted by: Dustin | July 23, 2008 3:27 PM
What lessons can we learn from Prof. Meyers' circus? 1) That we should be intolerant of people who believe in God; 2) That we should be hate-filled bigots; 3) That we should intentionally insult Catholics and feign surprise when they get angry about it; 4) That we should treat other people with disrespect. These are great life lessons. I'm sure you've imparted them to your son, Myers. Wish him a happy birthday from me. P.S. I bet God will have the last laugh.
Posted by: Sandi | July 23, 2008 3:27 PM
I'm going to guess a cross or some other non exclusively Catholic Christian symbol.
Posted by: qbsmd | July 23, 2008 3:28 PM
So, can we now play an appropriate song for those Catholics who lost their faith..... Maybe a nice psalm?
Posted by: Kim | July 23, 2008 3:28 PM
Frankly I think you should keep the details confidential and leave thing as stated above. If it has any real meaning then God will deliver his punishment, if the relidulous can't tell what happened then obviously it doesn't have the magic they profess.
If a tornado rips through PZ's bedroom tonight we will draw our own conclusions. If he gets a good night's sleep we'll know that God doesn't give a flying fandangle.
Posted by: Quidam | July 23, 2008 3:29 PM
"PZ you have hateful an rude i'm reporting you to the ploice youll be hearing from me soon i'll prey for you!!!!"
Posted by: N.K. | July 23, 2008 3:29 PM
Agh! The suspense! How could you!
Oh well, Batman is more important!
PS: Sandi, your imaginary friends are of no matter to us.
Posted by: Michelle | July 23, 2008 3:29 PM
Happy Birthday to your son and Happy Unbirthday to you!
Your Gonna LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! IT ROCKS!
Posted by: Ouchimoo | July 23, 2008 3:29 PM
It was a little odd, when in the process of emptying The Joker's pockets, Lt. Gordon pulled out 30 knives and a wafer. "Nothing in his pockets but knives and crumbs."
Posted by: Fred Mounts | July 23, 2008 3:30 PM
Have some cheese Sandi.
Posted by: Orlor | July 23, 2008 3:31 PM
Sandi calls herself Sandi after she lost a particle of sand within her anatomy.
Posted by: Walter T | July 23, 2008 3:32 PM
Oh, I always do.
But don't be surprised if I laugh at you, too. I'm an equal-opportunity laugher.
PS: The Joker reminds Me of Me.
Posted by: God | July 23, 2008 3:32 PM
Enjoy the Dark Knight! It's fantastic. And while you're watching it, enjoy the subtle lib'rul messages. It's a fine allegory to the war on terror.
Posted by: Ames | July 23, 2008 3:33 PM
Re #14:
A spanking for you Sandi.
And perhaps something really special for your son/daughter from the local pedophile catholic priest. Wouldn't that be quite the lesson. Not sure who would have the last laugh though ...
Posted by: Stephen Oberski | July 23, 2008 3:33 PM
NOOOOOOOO!! You killed little baby Jesus in His tuxedo shirt! And just look what your blasphemy has done to poor Texas! Don't you know God/Allah has terrible, terrible aim when it comes to retribution??
Posted by: Joe | July 23, 2008 3:34 PM
So Sandi, in your mind the bad guy makes fun of people, while the good guy tortures them for eternity. Correct?
Posted by: Brian W. | July 23, 2008 3:34 PM
1) That Catholics are no better than Muslims: both religions have people willing to advocate violence for no civilized reason.
2)Catholics, even the non-advocating violence ones, seem to think that insulting their religion is equivalent to death threats and physical violence.
3) We have yet to learn what long term effects this will have: will offense numb the religious to future offense? Will this cause anyone to see their religion for what it is?
4) Provoking the religious is fun to watch.
Posted by: qbsmd | July 23, 2008 3:34 PM
Oh, oh, I can't wait to see what the surprise entry was. I'm putting five pharyngubucks on the one of those cute statues of Budai.
Posted by: Jimmy Groove | July 23, 2008 3:35 PM
How very sad. I was holding out hope that PZ would grow up. I guess I was bound to be disappointed. Of course it will backfire. No Catholic will lose his faith over it. No one has benefited from this, including PZ. It's a bit like burning a flag in front of a Veterans day parade and saying it is just cloth. We all know it isn't. He was just wanting to express his hatred and to hurt other people as much as possible. Most decent folks try to avoid hurting others.
I have seen The Dark Knight. PZ, you and the Joker have much in common. Very similar attitudes indeed. Rather scary in fact. That's where hatred gets you PZ. Know thyself.
I will of course make a Holy Hour of Reparation for PZ's hateful and bigoted acts.
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 3:36 PM
God laughing? Sandi, isn't suggesting that heresy or something. Jesus could probably laugh but I don't know about the whole god trinity thingamabobber. You might want to make sure some rogue medieval theologian wasn't burnt for suggesting such a think.
I'd continue but troll need to be kept on a strict diet--over feed them and you won't like the result.
Posted by: Fiziker | July 23, 2008 3:36 PM
What lessons can we learn from Prof. Meyers' circus? 1) That we should be intolerant of people who believe in God; 2) That we should be hate-filled bigots; 3) That we should intentionally insult Catholics and feign surprise when they get angry about it; 4) That we should treat other people with disrespect. These are great life lessons. I'm sure you've imparted them to your son, Myers. Wish him a happy birthday from me. P.S. I bet God will have the last laugh.
blah blah blah blah blah
have a cracker.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:36 PM
I will of course make a Holy Hour of Reparation for PZ's hateful and bigoted acts.
awwwwwwww...isn;t it cute thinking some talking to himself will make a difference.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:38 PM
Any damage or suffering caused by Dolly will undoubtedly be blamed on you.
Posted by: Christie | July 23, 2008 3:38 PM
I think this will probably backfire. The transubstantiated cracker was really a bit of the Melanoma of Christ, and PZ has just saved his life.
Nice going, jerk.
Posted by: Dustin | July 23, 2008 3:38 PM
Gwah? The hell was that?
Posted by: dinkum | July 23, 2008 3:38 PM
I will worry when the Sun goes out, and the Moon turns to blood. That is the biblical sign of the end of the world.
Until then, Huzzah PZ! :)
Posted by: Patricia | July 23, 2008 3:39 PM
Sandi... once again:
Criticizing an idea can be correct, incorrect, rude, funny, many things. But it can NEVER be bigotry. ALL ideas are fair game for criticism.
You were not born with your religious ideas, and so to claim criticism of them is bigotry is not only cowardice, it's offensive to people who have suffered REAL bigotry.
Want some disrespect? Fine, maybe atheists should erect pointy buildings on every street corner and gather in them weekly to sermonize that everyone who doesn't think like them is immoral and deserve eternal torture.
Maybe atheists should print up tracts and leave them in phone booths and laundromats telling people that if they don't think like us, they WILL be tortured for eternity.
Knock on people's doors and tell them this.
Stop being such a hypocrite, Sandi. The very basis of religion is hatred and intolerance. The "scriptures" can be summed up as saying "Do as we say, think as we do or else you are evil and will be punished."
Every week you idiots file into your little castles of self-glorification and preach the doctrine of "everyone who doesn't think exactly like us is EVIL," and you're going to lecture someone for being intolerant?
Pointing to your hate-filled, delusional rhetoric and saying "bullshit" is hateful?
There's something deeply wrong with you.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 3:40 PM
Sandi
I'm a Pastafarian. Have you ever eaten pasta? Yes? I guess you:
1) Are intolerant of people who believe in a God
2) Are a hate-filled bigot
3) Intentionally insult Pastafarians and feign surprise when they get angry about it
4) Treat other people with disrespect
PS - His Noodly Appendage will have the last laugh.
Posted by: Theodore | July 23, 2008 3:40 PM
Re: Sandi at #14
Wow, took 25 minutes for the first grumpy Catholic to respond. I thought it was going to be faster than that.
... oh well...
Anybody want to bet how long it'll take for the next Catholic League press release?
Posted by: Chili Pepper | July 23, 2008 3:41 PM
Hey, violate some beef! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7520149.stm
Posted by: Flamethorn | July 23, 2008 3:41 PM
Oh snap! (no pun intended) The world is ending now that PZ desecrated sacred crackers and books?!?!?! I thought it wasn't supposed to end until 2012. There's so much left I had to do!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111oneoenoeneoneoenoeneoneoeoeneoneoenoenoenoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneone!1!!
Posted by: zer0 | July 23, 2008 3:42 PM
Also:
It's a bit like burning a flag in front of a Veterans day parade and saying it is just cloth.
No, it isn't. It's a bit like burning a flag in your own backyard and saying it is just cloth. Which it is. If he had gone to Mass and done something to the cracker in a Catholic church, your comparison would make sense.
Posted by: Christie | July 23, 2008 3:42 PM
Lessons we learned:
(1) Catholics expect us to respect them, but they don't respect our right to be atheists and laugh at religion. This is not disrespectful or intolerant, it is an opinion. For the definition of intolerance, look at the history of the Catholic church. For almost two thousand years, they cornered the market on intolerance.
(2) Christians believe it is worth killing someone because they desecrate a cracker. This is called hate.
(3) Catholics have no faith in their God to punish someone for desecrating the host. If their God is so powerful, and this terrible crime is worth killing someone over, then why hasn't God squashed PZ into a little puddle of blood and bones?
(4) In actual fact, it was only the threat of cracker desecration that got the Catholics in such a tizzy.
(5) Catholics can't tell the difference between a consecrated and plain cracker.
Posted by: Rob | July 23, 2008 3:44 PM
Does anyone else hear the baying of hellhounds?! Wait... false alarm that's just the chihuahua next door.
Posted by: JonathanL | July 23, 2008 3:45 PM
Ooh, can they blast music really loud on Saturday nights and wake up all the Christians for miles, like they do on Sunday mornings with those stupid bells?
Posted by: qbsmd | July 23, 2008 3:45 PM
I've been reading this blog for about a week now...I've always been a closet atheist, given the fact that I grew up in a religious household. But, I've recently realized (with reading this blog) that there's something all of you are missing:
Respect.
Not just from PZ's side or the religious right. From both sides. If you all stepped back from the situation and looked at each side from the other side's point of view, you'd see that you both are crazy.
The problem is that neither side respects the other. Cracker abuse, cyber pistols...They all are an attempt to drive a wedge between atheists and the relgious types.
Why not just realize that what you think is important to you (like love, your family, your wife/husband, your children), are the same things that the other side thinks is important. The atheists calling into question the "wackiness of the religious right" by abusing crackers and whatnot doesn't respect the right that people can think anyway they want to. Same goes for the Catholics. If PZ wants to abuse a Koran, cracker, bible, who cares what, the religious right should respect his right to do so.
If we all can't just respect each others views, what is America all about?
Posted by: Matt | July 23, 2008 3:46 PM
@Fr. J: And what about you? You didn't wise up. Your group never spread love like you dare to claim you do. You spread hatred, biggotery, prejudice, murder. What PZ did is a call for freedom. A call that the guy that got suspended (did he?) was suspended for idiotic reasons. So he didn't want to eat the cracker and took it home. So what? It's a cracker. Why make things complicated? WISE UP, RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS! See if that way instead: if it's in the hands of a believer it's jesus. If its not, it's a tasteless cracker. Then you could just shrug it off LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE.
And now what will you do? Will you torture PZ like you tortured the jews that supposedly defiled your hosts? Huh? How's that for love? I wish hell existed so all of your hypocrite christians would burn there. You claim you love yet your book is the worst piece of bloody shit I have ever seen! Full of rape, praised by your god. Full of mysoginy, praised by your god. Full of biggotery, praised by your god. Full of murder.... Praised and CAUSED by your god! You are full of it, Fr. J. You dare say we atheists have no morals, yet your book is the steamiest, most VILE display of a lack of morality.
You devolved like 'em lizards in that shitty Mario Bros live action movie.
...wow, did I just write THAT? (I have a shirt of that movie, too. I'm so so so low.)
Posted by: Michelle | July 23, 2008 3:47 PM
#44: Um, the logic and comparisons of most of the complainants haven't begun to make sense, so this wouldn't seem to be much a surprise.
If Sandi, Fr. J., or Kenny begin to make sense, seek psychological counseling immediately.
Posted by: Hap | July 23, 2008 3:48 PM
So what? It's a cracker.
Which, as we've learned, is more valuable than human life. A cracker.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:48 PM
Christie, he didn't have the guts to do it that way. But my analogy is correct. He did this publicly. I am sure it will be on youtube. He did this to hurt as many people as possible. That was his goal. Think about it though. This guy is supposedly a professor at a university and he pulls this kind of stunt. Talk about a lack of professionalism. His colleagues should be ashamed. His family should be ashamed. This is the only thing PZ will ever be remembered for, so I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes.
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 3:48 PM
"It's a bit like burning a flag in front of a Veterans day parade and saying it is just cloth. We all know it isn't. "
No, it's like burning a flag in his own house.
He didn't do anything to your precious cracker in a church during mass, you stupid shit.
And a flag IS just cloth. People who get irate over cloth and crackers are stupid and dangerous.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 3:49 PM
Ignorance is not something to be respected.
Posted by: Brian W. | July 23, 2008 3:49 PM
Matt,
One fallacy to your post: we don't force our atheism on people and kill them if they don't follow our belief system.
It is disrespectful to teach people to believe that other people are evil and are going to burn in hell.
Posted by: Rob | July 23, 2008 3:49 PM
Christie, he didn't have the guts to do it that way
So now Fr J is turning into a punk-ass fuckwit.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:50 PM
Based on the evidence of the last couple weeks, in the form of His followers' behavior, it seems pretty clear that God doesn't have much of a sense of humor.
Then again, maybe I've got it exactly wrong: Maybe His followers are evidence of God's (wicked) sense of humor? "Mysterious ways," and all that...
Posted by: Bill Dauphin | July 23, 2008 3:50 PM
The Mormons! You forgot the Mormons!
How could you forget to subject holy underpants to some sacrilegious atrocity?
Posted by: Physicalist | July 23, 2008 3:50 PM
"This is the only thing PZ will ever be remembered for, so I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes."
Better to be remembered for 15 minutes of pointing out idiocy than for a lifetime of being an idiot.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 3:50 PM
What lessons can we learn from Prof. Meyers' circus? 1) That we should be intolerant of people who believe in God; 2) That we should be hate-filled bigots; 3) That we should intentionally insult Catholics and feign surprise when they get angry about it; 4) That we should treat other people with disrespect. These are great life lessons. I'm sure you've imparted them to your son, Myers. Wish him a happy birthday from me. P.S. I bet God will have the last laugh.
Yet, again, we have a wackadoo Catholic who doesn't understand the difference between people and beliefs. P Zed did nothing to any actual people. He did not torture anyone (as Catholics have; he did not burn anyone at the stake for their beliefs (as Catholics have); and he did not molest any little kids (as Catholics have).
What PZ did do is mock your beliefs. In a free society, no belief is, or ought to be, exempt from mockery. What you are demanding, however, is not respect, but deference; that is, is that everyone, not just Catholics, treat your beliefs as sacred, and that's just silly. We are not members of your club, and your rules about crackers do not apply to us.
Sandi, do you eat beef? If so, then you have just treated the deepest religious sensibilities of a billion Hindus with contempt by committing the most egregious sacrilege. And worse, you have been an accomplice to the death of a sacred animal, because all cows are sacred in Hinduism. Cow protection is as holy a duty to Hindus as protecting the holy cracker is to you. Unless Sandi, Donahue, and the rest of the Catholics renounce all violence to cows, then they are guilty of the same vicious treatment of Hindu beliefs that they have accused PZ of doing to the Catholic faith.
Remember, by your own standards, Sandi, any object thast is venerated by one set of people, must be venerated by everyone else, too. Renounce the hamburger or risk insulting every Hindu on earth!
Shantih, shantih, shantih!
Posted by: Gobear | July 23, 2008 3:51 PM
No, it's like burning a flag in his own house.
It's like tossing a flag he received in the mail in the trash can.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:51 PM
What a pity, we prepared such a nice proposal for the cracker...
Posted by: DrSweetscent | July 23, 2008 3:51 PM
The right to free speech, for one. Notice that there is no "right to not be offended" in the bill of rights. Offensive speech is the only speech that requires that kind of protection.
Posted by: qbsmd | July 23, 2008 3:52 PM
Michelle, you don't have the right to go in to Mass and take the Eucharist or disrupt worship in any way. It is illegal. I don't go to atheist meetings and disrupt them either.
The bigotry I have seen and experienced here is equivalent to burning a cross in a black persons yard. You are the bigot not me. Atheists have murdered over 100 million people in the last century and continue to do so. Many of them are believers. Check out the log in your own eye first.
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 3:52 PM
Fr. J. -
I would think being remembered for blasphemy would be preferred to being a sanctimonious hypocrite with an extreme overvaluation of his own intelligence. That, of course, would assume that someone actually remembers you, which seeing as trolls (like stupidity and arrogance, are the only potentially infinite quantities in the universe) are a seemingly inexhaustible resource, is highly unlikely.
Posted by: Hap | July 23, 2008 3:54 PM
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 3:52 PM
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 3:55 PM
If God really does get that upset over a piece of himself being desecrated, I'm fairly certain He would be able to express His feelings in a clear, (literally) impossible-to-misunderstand manner. An all-knowing being would know how to take such a course of action, and an all-powerful being would be able to carry it out.
So, uh, I don't really see any point in arguing about whether or not this upsets God (and therefore should upset Christians) or not; if He doesn't like it, then He has every means to make such feelings crystal-clear.
Posted by: David M. | July 23, 2008 3:55 PM
Craig, you don't think the flag is a symbol? You don't think symbols have power? I don't believe that. Do you wear a swastika? It is just a few lines, so no one will mind right? PZ did this because he knows the power of symbols and he wanted to hurt other people. That seems to bother no one here.
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 3:56 PM
"f we all can't just respect each others views, what is America all about?"
Matt, America is NOT about respecting others' views. It's about respecting others RIGHTS to their views.
PZ is in no way doing anything to stop the religious from being religious if they so choose. He's simply expressing HIS opinion.
The idea that all views must be respected is crazy. There are some pretty damned sick views out there. Should NAMBLA member's views be respected? Not their right to them, but the views themselves?
All views are fair game for criticism. Everyone has a right to their views, NO ONE has a right to have their views go uncriticized.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 3:57 PM
Wrong move. You should have left it as a mystery. It would haunt the deep background forever.
Like the Maria Celeste ship. If the crew hadn't disappeared, it would be just another forgotten shipwreck.
The Lost Dutchman's goldmine.
Judge Crater.
The Ark of the Covenant.
The Holy Grail. King Arthur's camelot.
Atlantis and Mu.
A thousand years from now, treasure hunters and archaeologists would be combing what was once Morris, MN looking for the Cracker of Myers.
Posted by: raven | July 23, 2008 3:58 PM
Listen, chupagalletas:
I hold Logic, Clear Thinking, and Evidence sacred. You have spent the past week trampling all over everything I hold dear, with no regard whatsoever for my feelings. You have desecrated the Analogy shamelessly and with malice aforethought. I hope you're satisfied. I'll reason for you.
Posted by: SC | July 23, 2008 3:58 PM
He needs guts? Why because all the catholics are violent and oppressive people? I call BS. Why would he need any more guts than he has shown?
No he did it to show the very simple and apparently lost on you fact that it is a simple cracker and not anything else. Why does that bother you? It is you with the perception problem not PZ.
He IS a professor. He simply said a cracker is a cracker. That to you is lacking professionalism but you come on the blog and make these type of comments? hypocrite.
This is not bringing him fame, in a mostly Protestant country people realize it's just a cracker. He simply said the truth and why should anyone be ashamed of that? You prefer to lie to yourself and that sir is a far greater problem.
Posted by: JimC | July 23, 2008 3:59 PM
Oh PZ, you cracker tease! Lately this blog has been like a crumby, (crispy, tastless) soap opera. (Anti)climactic ending: tomorrow.
Posted by: Jackal | July 23, 2008 3:59 PM
Lessons we learned...
... and that obscurantist zealots will still try anything--up to and including death threats--to attempt to stifle ridicule, and keep a laughable absurdity wrapped in its protective veil of cloying sanctity.
And that sometimes, they still fail.
Posted by: AJ Milne | July 23, 2008 3:59 PM
Gobear, yes he has the right to mock our views. But having a right and exercising it are two different things. My niece has a stuffed bunny that she loves. If you walked up to her with the same kind of bunny and tore its head off she was cry and be very upset. You have the right to do that. But would any decent human being do so? I don't think so. People would think you were an insane nutcase who hated children. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 4:00 PM
Do you really think that the views of the KKK deserved respect? That the murderers of civil rights workers deserved to have their hatred respected? Really?
Posted by: freelunch | July 23, 2008 4:00 PM
Fr. J.
You repeatedly refused to answer this in the last thread you trolled into, conveniently, so I'll ask you agian:
Of all of the things that have been done in this incident, the persons who actually committed real acts and threats of violence belong to which group?
And don't qualify or pontificate or attempt to absolve the behavior. Just answer the question or shut up and go away.
Posted by: Celtic_Evolution | July 23, 2008 4:01 PM
"Craig, you don't think the flag is a symbol? You don't think symbols have power? I don't believe that. "
I think I pretty clearly said that symbols DO have power. In the minds of the stupid and dangerous.
Fr J, when you church stops preaching every fucking day that I deserve eternal torture simply for not thinking what you think, THEN maybe you can say something to me.
Until then, it just increases your hypocrisy and makes you more of an asshole.
Your church is a still for liquid hatred fueled by millions of burning corpses.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 4:01 PM
I'll bet you've been awaiting this occasion with great anticipation for quite a while, Prof. Myers.
Don't worry; the movie is even better than advertised.
Posted by: impiri | July 23, 2008 4:02 PM
Father J. Your analogy implicitly tells us that you think that Catholics are little children.
Posted by: freelunch | July 23, 2008 4:02 PM
The most amazing thing just happened! I can literally see every single one of the next thousand posts in this thread as though they've already been written!
You skeptics were all wrong... psychic powers do exist. I can see the future!
Posted by: Dustin | July 23, 2008 4:02 PM
Wailing about causing pain is an ironic thing for a right-wing orthodox catholic to do, seeing as how they so enjoy causing it in the world.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 4:02 PM
If SECULAR HUMANISM has so much hate as I see in these comments, then you can keep it to yourself...I am just not interested in hating anyone.
Posted by: Kristina | July 23, 2008 4:03 PM
Posted by: Kristina | July 23, 2008 4:03 PM
blah blah blah
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | July 23, 2008 4:04 PM
@Fr. J: He didn't disrupt it. He took it out of his mouth and then the christians went apeshit (to say the least) about it. And I'm sure we'd LOVE to see you at atheist meetings, it would certainly be hilarious.
The bigotry we have experienced by you is... Well geeze, read the damn book. If your so-called atheists murdered 100 million people (care to give the list of THAT?), your god has murdered way more with his floods and genocide described in the book. Of course, they most likely did not happen since it's all crazy shit but you know, you guys believe it did.
I checked your log... In fact I bet someone here has the link to that great article where that guy counted the deaths God caused in the bible.
And if you believe we did something wrong... How about Lot, mmm? Righteous Lot they called him, the only righteous person in the whoooooooole city, sodom was it? Your lord saved him and only him since he was such a straight guy. Instead of letting the folks rape the angels, he went "Hey, guys, please. Don't rape my guests... Rape my daughters instead!"
It's a simple, tiny example of how your religion is a bigotry.
Let's not talk about the many ones I forget because there are too many to remember. God asking Abraham to kill his son (And go "psyche!", thankfully, but still, the guy was gonna KILL HIS SON), the egyptian firstborns, various instances of stoning, the plagues God sends on HIS OWN PEOPLE, break sabbath and die (hey, did you work on Sunday recently, father?), killing gays, aaah, I can't just list them all there's so many.
Posted by: Michelle | July 23, 2008 4:05 PM
A really nasty thunderstorm just picked up outside! Professor, what have you done?! You've doomed us all!
Posted by: Aden B | July 23, 2008 4:05 PM
"i'll prey for you!!!!"
Another death threat ???
Posted by: Christophe Thill | July 23, 2008 4:05 PM
#64 Michelle, you don't have the right to go in to Mass and take the Eucharist or disrupt worship in any way. It is illegal.
Um, how is receiving the jezit disruptive? and how is walking out of a building with something of very little monetary value THAT HAS FREELY BEEN GIVEN TO YOU illegal?
Posted by: davery | July 23, 2008 4:06 PM
"PZ you were a jerk to me and my beliefs! By desecrating that cracker, you actually physically hurt me. I also can no longer practice my religion, because a single cracker has been hurt!!
PZ these death threats are nothing it is quite obvious YOU ARE A BIGOT!!"
Posted by: N.K. | July 23, 2008 4:06 PM
@ #14: Sandi, what you could learn from "Prof. Meyers' circus", is to read and understand how that circus began, namely with death threats to a student, because he showed a 'consecrated' communion wafer to a friend, rather than swallowing it.
As for me, you can believe all day long that the wafer was a 'he' rather than an 'it', but when you or other believers go public with this belief, you may learn that a lot of people will not treat it with deference.
Why not? Just read the doctrinal wafer texts and ask yourself what exactly they demand you to believe. Then find a good reason for why one should not consider those who do believe in the doctrine to be selectively insane.
Posted by: dubiquiabs | July 23, 2008 4:07 PM
Craig, millions of corpses have burned for atheism. Do you plan to renounce it?
free, I figured that someone would say that. Do you deliberately want to avoid the real point?
celtic, I didn't see your post among the dozens that attacked me for disagreeing with atheist bigotry. My regrets. I can't answer every insult thrown at me. There have been no valid death threats, we have gone over that before. PZ is going to the movies and is not in fear of his life from Catholics. But if I were to say Mass in an atheist country, say China, I would be in danger. I hope that answers you. If it doesn't then you really don't want an answer.
Posted by: Fr. J | July 23, 2008 4:07 PM
Kristina, better run away from the hatred, to the safety of your church where they preach EVERY WEEK that anyone who doesnt think like they do is immoral, evil and deserves eternal torture.
I mean, sure, they may be saying that billions of people deserve to be roasted on a spit for eternity - but at least they aren't smashing a cookie or tearing a sacred bedsheet or something.
Posted by: craig | July 23, 2008 4:08 PM
We'll hold the fort down until you get back.
Enjoy the movie.
Posted by: Miss Infidel | July 23, 2008 4:09 PM
While I don't condone Myer's efforts at self-agrandizement, and while I am Catholic, I can certainly withstand his sacriligious gesture toward my faith. On the other hand, truthfully, it's not the Catholics he should be wary of. His efforts to appear to do the "ethical" thing and avoid the tag of hypocrit by including the Quran in his idiotic gesture is an unnecessary prodding of the Muslim zealots who are most certainly aware of this lunacy. And his comment to Bill Donohue " Thanks, Donohue, for reinforcing prejudice about Muslims" is so laughable insofar as he is doing exactly that toward Catholics. I guess the degree of bigotry on his part is proportional to his overall cowardice. Myer's... your ego is out of control.
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