Pharyngula

You can prove anything with mock-logic.

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  1. #1 Warma
    August 31, 2008

    That was a nice troll you found.

  2. #2 Science Goddess
    August 31, 2008

    Hmmmm…. wonder how the PCR cycler and centrifuge can test god’s existence.

    SG

  3. #3 paulemaule
    August 31, 2008

    Edward Current is so funny.
    Poe’s Law in action, if you look at the comments on his videos…

  4. #4 John C. Randolph
    August 31, 2008

    This guy’s a brilliant satirist.

    -jcr

  5. #5 Iain Walker
    August 31, 2008

    I assume it’s a parody, but then I’m watching it on a computer with no audio, which I suspect may exclude key elements of the experience.

  6. #6 Jason
    August 31, 2008

    Edward Current just keeps getting better.

    I wish I could send this to some of the people I work with.

  7. #7 faux mulder
    August 31, 2008

    um….it could be satire. it’d be nice if it was, but, are you sure?

  8. #8 negentropyeater
    August 31, 2008

    Perfect.

    And NOBODY CAN PROVE that this is NOT TRUE :
    God exists and chooses not to show any evidence to test people’s faith.

  9. #9 Greg
    August 31, 2008

    Eddie does it again ! LOL

  10. #10 Alcari
    August 31, 2008

    Ahh, EdwardCurrent. Genius.

    Now, time to sit back, and watch Poe’s Law in action.

  11. #11 SC
    August 31, 2008

    but, are you sure?

    Yes.

  12. #12 Dan Dangerously
    August 31, 2008

    God’s plan:

    1.Create Universe

    2.Send son to die for mankind’s sins

    3.Seem to not exists

    4.???????

    5.Profit!

  13. #13 Jivlain
    August 31, 2008

    Yes, faux mulder, it is satire, as are many of Edward Current’s other videos, even though it is sometimes hard to tell (Poe’s Law and all that…)

  14. #14 negentropyeater
    August 31, 2008

    No, God’s plan is :

    1. Create Universe

    2. Create Man

    3. Send Son to die for mankind’s sins

    4. Seem to not exist

    5. Send asterod to kill mankind when they forget about 3.

    6. start back at 2.

  15. #15 Claudia
    August 31, 2008

    Hooray! I helped!

    EC’s youtube videos are super funny…

  16. #16 pip
    August 31, 2008

    Oh Jeez, I’m watching Joel Osteen this morning (he gives my blood pressure the jolt I need in the morning to get going for the day). He’s all: ‘if you stay in faith god will move people out of the way to find your divine destiny’. So, there you go: successful Christians (like Joel Osteen) are proof that god exists. If you believe but bad things happen to you – then you don’t believe enough (buy more of Joel Osteen’s books)! Failure if your fault, success is god’s intervention.

  17. #17 pip
    August 31, 2008

    whoops, that should be ‘failure is your fault’. God was messing with my typing.

  18. #18 Romeo Vitelli
    August 31, 2008

    Hmm, if you substitute FSM for God, the argument works just as well. Or Cthulhu for that matter. Does this prove polytheism?

  19. #19 Mercurious
    August 31, 2008

    Even better. Pat Condell has another stunning commentary also.

  20. #20 shrimplate
    August 31, 2008

    Does this prove polytheism?

    And at the end of the movie the loud voice insists “Pay no attention to the pantheon behind the curtain!”

  21. #21 Woozle
    August 31, 2008

    Sounds like parody to me… especially in view of some of the video commentary juxtaposed with the audio.

    But… is nobody going to quote Douglas??

    “I refuse to prove I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”

    “Oh, but what about the Babel Fish?” says Man. “That proves you exist, and therefore you don’t! QED.”

    “Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that!” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

    “Oh, that was easy!” says Man — and for an encore, goes on to prove that black is white, and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing.

    (Apologies to Douglas’s lack-of-ghost for any transcription errors introduced by my brain, which hasn’t actually listened to that bit for… um…. years, possibly?)

  22. #22 Dorothy
    August 31, 2008

    He is really hilarious. I needed a good laugh

  23. #23 Spook
    August 31, 2008

    Flawless logic. I can’t refute any of this, so I’m off to church today and every Sunday from here on out. Praise Jesus, etc.

  24. #24 386sx
    August 31, 2008

    um….it could be satire. it’d be nice if it was, but, are you sure?

    Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s satire. Nobody would ever use God’s nonexistence for proof of God’s existence. That would be way too ridiculous.

  25. #25 Claudia
    August 31, 2008

    This is definitely satire, people. I’d recommend his other vids as well, starting with this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68

  26. #26 Mike
    August 31, 2008

    The regrow a leg through prayer and text messages from the dead bits are HILARIOUS!

  27. #27 LisaJ
    August 31, 2008

    Hilarious. That guy’s awesome. Thanks, I needed that.

  28. #28 Brett McCoy
    August 31, 2008

    Damn, I was going to bring up the Babel Fish argument but someone beat me to it.

    Oh, well, by similar logic, you can prove that Alexander the Great never existed and had an infinite number of legs.

  29. #29 Jason Dick
    August 31, 2008

    For anybody who has any doubt as to whether or not this guy is serious, he has explicitly posted on many videos, “This is satire.”

  30. #30 negentropyeater
    August 31, 2008

    What do you mean no evidence ?

    Isn’t it obvious that the FSM is sending Gustav to coincide with the Republican National Convention because they hate homosexuals, women and deny AGW ?

    It may not be objective evidence, but it’s circumstancial evidence enough, and I have faith in the FSM !

  31. #31 Moses
    August 31, 2008

    I’ve posted some of his video’s in the past. The one where he dies because he drinks poison is great.

  32. #32 Leigh Shryock
    August 31, 2008

    How did I know, before even clicking on it, that it’d be EdwardCurrent? I love his work, nice troll… he actually fools some fundies.

  33. #33 Lago
    August 31, 2008

    I am going to have to say, “The Babel Fish” as well, to this one,,,

  34. #35 Quidam
    August 31, 2008

    Not bad Woozle (#21) if you were going by memory

    The Babel fish is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it, It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. the practical upshot of this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any language.

    Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance, that some thinkers have chosen to see as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes like this : “I refuse to prove that I exist”, says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”

    “But”, says Man, “the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn’t it? it could not have evolved by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.”

    “Oh dear”, says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

    “Oh that was easy” says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

    Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.

  35. #36 --PatF in Madison
    August 31, 2008

    Bertrand Russell was once asked, “What will be your first question to God if, after you die, you find he does exist?”

    Russell answered, “I would ask him ‘Why didn’t you give us more evidence?'”

    I have always liked that quote.

    PS: On Meet the Press, Tom Brokaw just asked Tim Pawlenty about Evolution/ID. Pawlenty weasled around mumbling something about local schoolboard decisions. Brokaw however, finally, got him to say that he thought ID had a lot to say.

    I thought that was interesting.

  36. #37 Benjamin Geiger
    August 31, 2008

    More excellent satire from Mr. Current…

    … But did he REALLY need to throw that harlequin baby picture in there? *wibble*

  37. #38 Jim Harrison
    August 31, 2008

    It is no trick at all to gather eye-witness accounts of miracles so Current’s satire is a little misleading about the purported absence evidence of divine activity. If a denomination chooses to encourage superstition, the Virgin Mary is guaranteed to keep on showing herself to various shepherds and shop keepers. On the other hand, most of the Protestants made it an article of faith that the age of wonders is over; and miracles pretty much dried up on their watch. Divine manifestation is under social control.

    If you think of running a religion as a business proposition, you have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of these two approaches. You can promote all sorts of evidence of the divine, but the craziness that results is as likely to produce heretics as saints. Or you can opt for the sobriety of some of the Reformed churches and have people wondering why they should believe at all. The Catholic hierarchy has always finessed this dilemma by attempting to keep the essentially pagan religiosity of its lay members on a leash, albeit a fairly long leash, while remaining especially vigilant lest somebody who matters starts starts getting visits from angels and reports politically inconvenient visions.

  38. #39 Gunnar J Briem
    August 31, 2008

    Life of Brian:

    BRIAN:
    I’m not the Messiah!
    ARTHUR:
    I say You are, Lord, and I should know. I’ve followed a few.
    FOLLOWERS:
    Hail Messiah!
    BRIAN:
    I’m not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly!
    GIRL:
    Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
    BRIAN:
    What?! Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
    FOLLOWERS:
    He is! He is the Messiah!

  39. #40 Benjamin Geiger
    August 31, 2008

    Heheheh. Life of Brian is right behind Blazing Saddles on the “Movies that, if remade today, would get the producers sued and/or shot” list.

  40. #41 robbrown
    August 31, 2008

    Can I assume that those people who are questioning whether it is satire or not are themselves being satirical?

  41. #42 JohnnieCanuck, FCD
    August 31, 2008

    I call Poe on robbrown. :-)

  42. #43 FlameDuck
    August 31, 2008

    #32 Oh yeah. Because fooling a fundie is a real challenge. Right up there with color coordinating your socks.

    Never the less, this is still pretty hilarious.

  43. #44 Ruben
    August 31, 2008

    On a slightly off topic note, here you have a debate about God’s existence, with a nice poll to round it up :) Go vote now, if you haven’t.

    http://www.opposingviews.com/questions/is-there-a-god

  44. #45 Jason
    August 31, 2008

    Love this guy.

  45. #46 Monado
    August 31, 2008

    Brett McCoy [@28], that’s an infinite number of arms. Because forewarned is four-armed.

  46. #47 M
    August 31, 2008

    I couldn’t tell at first. Then “why doesn’t God heal amputees?” and text messages from grandma brought me lightly to the side of satire. It’s hard to tell after some of the Christian apologia we’ve seen.

  47. #48 Joshua BA
    August 31, 2008

    Heheheh. Life of Brian is right behind Blazing Saddles on the “Movies that, if remade today, would get the producers sued and/or shot” list.

    They DID get sued for Blazing Saddles. By Hedy Lamarr IIRC.

  48. #49 Kel
    August 31, 2008

    Ahh, EdwardCurrent’s videos are excellent. So excellent that people have taken it seriously.

  49. #50 Tony Sidaway
    August 31, 2008

    He’s very good when he parodies religious arguments. The answering machine glitch was also pretty funny.

  50. #51 Rob J
    August 31, 2008

    “heaven is teh shit… wish u were here… LOL”

    that was the best :)

  51. #52 Joshua
    September 1, 2008

    Listen, I believe in God 100% and you sir are a bad person making fun of God! He is the ruler of heaven and earth and you dare to make fun of him. May the Lord forgive you.

  52. #53 Jparenti
    September 1, 2008

    No, no, no. Edward has it all wrong. “God’s Plan” is actually:
    1. Create universe.
    2.
    3. Profit.
    Check his MySpace if you need proof that this is satire. I subscribe to his blogs, and wow, are they hilarious! He also makes very excellent points, some of which I’ve used in arguments. Usually, they work, too. :)

  53. #54 Gary
    September 1, 2008

    great vid. I like EC’s videos. It’s funny how many people actually think Edward is being serious. It states in his profile page that he is NOT CHRISTIAN, and mocks debate. Great vids.

    His best so far was the “I’ve converted to every religion” basically re-defining pascal’s wager.

  54. #55 David Marjanovi?, OM
    September 1, 2008

    Wow, a YouTube video that I can actually watch! Woohoo!

    —————–

    Joshua, we aren’t making fun of God here. Is it possible to make fun of the tooth fairy?

    We’re making fun of those who believe they can prove God exists.

  55. #56 Holbach
    September 1, 2008

    Sort of my saying “prove to me that your imaginary god does not exist!” Well, duh.

  56. #57 bezoar
    September 1, 2008

    OF COURSE we’re making fun of god. We’re also maing fun of his/her followers. Kinda like driving a Yugo.

  57. #58 fatherdaddy
    September 2, 2008

    At first I thought it was someone adding video to some guys speech. When I saw the length of the piece I knew that someone was stoned when they did it. Definately chuckle worthy.

  58. #59 Steve Denton
    September 3, 2008

    I have to admit that the guy had me completely fooled, lol! I was not familiar with Current’s work until now, and have seen and read so much insane, crackpot stuff from *real* Christians that is almost identical in form and content to this video that I actually thought he believed his own warped logic, and was quite horrified.

    Of course, the really horrifying thing is that there are millions of devout Christians out there – including VP nominee, Sarah Palin – who will probably believe every word of it. It would be interesting to hear their excuses for their credulity once the joke is explained to them…

  59. #60 truth machine, OM
    January 26, 2010

    Something is severely wrong with people who genuinely entertain the possibility that this is not satire.

    Seriously.

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