Pharyngula

Then you should sign up for the Steve list. They’re trying to get 900 qualified evolution supporters with names that are variants of “Steven” — I think they should aim for a nice round one thousand.

Comments

  1. #1 drew
    September 8, 2008

    I thought NCSE did this already. I’m almost certain I heard Eugenie Scott talking about this in a presentation.

  2. #2 Glen Davidson
    September 8, 2008

    They could, maybe, make a list of biologists who oppose the flim-flam of anti-evolution–it is the list that matters. The Steve list has been more or less done to death, IMO.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  3. #3 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    It’s not that they already did it…it’s that they’re still doing it.
    Wish I could participate.

  4. #4 Drew
    September 8, 2008

    Ahh I see now

  5. #5 Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT
    September 8, 2008

    I thought NCSE did this already. I’m almost certain I heard Eugenie Scott talking about this in a presentation.

    Same one.

  6. #6 Geo-Steve
    September 8, 2008

    too bad being in a PhD program doesn’t count…. maybe in a few years…

  7. #7 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    They could, maybe, make a list of biologists who oppose the flim-flam of anti-evolution–it is the list that matters.

    You mean, a list of biologists, period? You’re pretty humorless sometimes, Glen. It’s funny this way.

  8. #8 Glen Davidson
    September 8, 2008

    You’re pretty humorless sometimes, Glen. It’s funny this way.

    Um, jokes get old.

    It’s not humorless to suggest that the same decade-old one not continue to be told.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  9. #9 Brett Samsen
    September 8, 2008

    We should badger Stephen Colbert to join the list. After all, he does have an honorary PhD from Knox College…

  10. #10 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    Humor’s in the eye of the beholder, I guess. Hell, I still get a grin out of “Who’s on first?”

  11. #11 I am so wise
    September 8, 2008

    Has anyone given Steve Fuller a call? He’s even better than a scientist, he’s a philosopher of science.

  12. #12 Luke
    September 8, 2008

    First I’ve heard of this. Made me chuckle.

  13. #13 Tony "Steve" Sidaway
    September 8, 2008

    So, once we’ve done the Steves, let’s move on to the Richards, the Pauls, the Michaels, the Dans…

  14. #14 sjburnt
    September 8, 2008

    Rats. I was well on my way to registering when the rules changed from “having a doctoral degree” to “scientist”.

    Why on earth would they disallow the juris doctorates?

    (Go ahead, I deserve the lashings I am gonna get for this.)

    ;)

  15. #15 SC
    September 8, 2008

    So, once we’ve done the Steves, let’s move on to the Richards, the Pauls, the Michaels, the Dans…

    Or the Lisas, the Barbaras, the Abbies, the Rebeccas,…

  16. #16 Lee Picton
    September 8, 2008

    I think some have misunderstood. The Steve list has been around for awhile but a round 900 are wanted in time for the Year of Darwin; something about slogans and T-shirts, and NCSE is about five names short, I think.

  17. #17 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    …the Svantes, the Anderses, the Nicoles…
    and, here’s an excuse to mention my all-time favorite name of a real biologist. (She’s good, too; studies lungfish physiology and publishes well).

  18. #18 kermit
    September 8, 2008

    SC@15

    So, once we’ve done the Steves, let’s move on to the Richards, the Pauls, the Michaels, the Dans…

    Or the Lisas, the Barbaras, the Abbies, the Rebeccas,…

    No, the first batch of lists would include the Stephanies, the umm, Richardines, The Paulines, the Michelles, etc.

    The Steve list includes quite a few females – Steven or variations of Steven.

  19. #19 SC
    September 8, 2008

    and, here’s an excuse to mention my all-time favorite name of a real biologist.

    Oh, the poor dear. Hope she has a good sense of humor.

  20. #20 Carrie
    September 8, 2008

    From the Project Steve introduction page:

    NCSE has been exhorted by its members to compile a list of thousands of scientists affirming the validity of the theory of evolution, but although we easily could have done so, we have resisted such pressure. We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!

    From the FAQ:

    Is NCSE going to circulate a similar statement for Janes, Johns, and so on?

    No. It’s only funny once.

    Thanks for the link, PZ. We’re definitely hoping to get to the big 1K, but we’ll print “Over 900…” shirts first. Some of our Steves have been waiting a long time for theirs.

  21. #21 SC
    September 8, 2008

    No, the first batch of lists would include the Stephanies, the umm, Richardines, The Paulines, the Michelles, etc.

    The Steve list includes quite a few females – Steven or variations of Steven.

    I’m aware of that. Perhaps some women aren’t thrilled at being variations on male theme in efforts called things like “The Steve Project.” Richardines?

  22. #22 Rey Fox
    September 8, 2008

    “It’s not humorless to suggest that the same decade-old one not continue to be told.”

    Of course it is, humor never ceases to be funny! Like all those catchphrases that circulate here endlessly! Slut! Cephalopods! Ilk! Trophy wife! They never ever cease to be funny!

  23. #23 catta
    September 8, 2008

    Sarcasm, on the other hand, gets old pretty fast.

  24. #24 Tony Sidaway
    September 8, 2008

    Lee Picton | September 8, 2008 1:20 PM #16

    I think some have misunderstood. The Steve list has been around for awhile but a round 900 are wanted in time for the Year of Darwin

    And if they don’t get 900, they will have failed proving that evolution is false!

  25. #25 Eric
    September 8, 2008

    Is this old news?

    Biologists on the Verge of Creating New Form of Life
    http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html

  26. #26 Stephen Johnson
    September 8, 2008

    Speaking as a Steve on the list (and living in Kansas, to boot). My understanding was that this was intended as a tongue-in-cheek response to The Discovery Institute’s “Scientific Dissent From Darwinism” list.

    The reasoning went along the lines of – we could put together a list of all the scientists who consider evolution to be a proper scientific theory, but that list would get very big, very fast, so how about limiting it to a single name. “Stephen” (and variations thereon) was chosen to honor Stephen Jay Gould.

    Stephen (NCSE Steve #598)

  27. #27 Bill Dauphin
    September 8, 2008

    Wish I could participate.

    What, you mean Sven isn’t Swedish1 for Stephen?

    1 Please forgive me if I’ve guessed the wrong Scandinavian heritage for you (or if I’m wrong in attributing any Scandinavian heritage to you).

  28. #28 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    I’m Swedish all right–half, anyway–and so’s “Sven,” but alas, ’tis a nom de net. My real monicker’s not even close to qualiying.

  29. #29 Qwerty
    September 8, 2008

    I am neither a scientist nor a Steve, but I am sure that there are enough to hit the 1,000 mark. It sure makes the few hundred that support ID look foolish.

  30. #30 Alcari
    September 8, 2008

    Thanks for the link, PZ. We’re definitely hoping to get to the big 1K, but we’ll print “Over 900…” shirts first. Some of our Steves have been waiting a long time for theirs.

    Shouldn’t those be “Over 9000!!!” shirts?

  31. #31 SC
    September 8, 2008

    “Stephen” (and variations thereon) was chosen to honor Stephen Jay Gould.

    Ah. Well, that makes sense, then. Carry on.

    /steps down off soapbox

  32. #32 windy, OM
    September 8, 2008

    Sven is not from Stephen, it’s an ancient word for young man or male virgin…

  33. #33 Bill Dauphin
    September 8, 2008

    Sven is not from Stephen

    I didn’t actually think it was; I was joking… though obviously not obviously enough. (Note to self: Lay in supply of emoticons!)

  34. #34 windy, OM
    September 8, 2008

    I guessed you were joking, but couldn’t resist commenting on the linguistic aspect anyway… I think David Marjanovi? has been a bad influence on me!

  35. #35 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    Sven is…an ancient word for young man or male virgin

    Huh. Coupla problems here, Houston…

  36. #36 The Chemist
    September 8, 2008

    Then they get the Steve list all mixed up with the Adam list, and suddenly they’re propounding the Adam and Steve theory of human creation.

  37. #37 SC
    September 8, 2008

    Sven is not from Stephen, it’s an ancient word for young man or male virgin…

    *notes for future mockage*

    I think David Marjanovi? has been a bad influence on me!

    A good influence! I love those comments!

  38. #38 Owlmirror
    September 8, 2008

    Interestingly, “sveinn”, from which “Sven” derives, is also the source of “swain”, as in a lover (and not a fighter?). Although there is also a cognate with “swan”, a shepherd or pigherder; a farm laborer.

  39. #39 Steve Sque
    September 8, 2008

    A long-time lurker on this blog (great blog, by the way), I finally decided to comment after seeing this post.

    I’m a Steve on the list, I have the T-shirt, and in fact here’s a photo of me modelling said fashion item next to the grave of Alfred Russell Wallace, co-discoverer of evolution, in my home town of Broadstone, Dorset, U.K.

  40. #40 Copernic
    September 8, 2008

    From Wiki,
    We (or NCSE) should not forget the other forms of “Steve”

    Stepan – Russian, Czech,
    Esteban – spanish
    Estéfano – portuguese
    Kepano – Hawaiian
    Etienne (really?) – French
    Istefanos – Turkish (any biologists left in Turkey?)
    Stefan – Swedish
    ???????????? – Japanese
    and of course ?????? for our Tamilese biologists

  41. #41 windy, OM
    September 8, 2008

    Huh. Coupla problems here, Houston…

    Noted, in case I ever get around to starting “Project Sven”* ;)

    *that is, collecting names and addresses of virginal male biologists for unstated, possibly sinister purposes

  42. #42 Bill Dauphin
    September 8, 2008

    Copernic (@40):

    What? No Klingon?

  43. #43 Raynfala
    September 8, 2008

    Alcari (@30)

    “What 9000?”

  44. #44 Reginald Selkirk
    September 8, 2008
  45. #45 Stephanie
    September 8, 2008

    That’s a shame. I need a couple more years for a Ph.D!

  46. #46 Cris
    September 8, 2008

    Reminds me of Bruce McCulloch’s song. “These are the Daves I know, I know, these are the Daves I know.”

  47. #47 Steve_C
    September 8, 2008

    NO. YES. DAMN.

  48. #48 nanoAl
    September 8, 2008

    this isn’t the first time I’ve wished my name was steve…
    come to think of it, i don’t even have my phD yet. time to go somewhere else to put myself on a list :(

    Engineers Named Alan (with one goddamned ‘l’)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    -#1 – nanoAl <——thats me!

  49. #49 Black Centaur
    September 8, 2008

    Woo Hoo!
    I’m a Dr Steve and I’m a scientist.
    I’ve just signed up.
    God! it’s been 8 years since I even looked at my thesis and I think I could still write the abstract from memory!

  50. #50 Doubting Foo
    September 8, 2008

    Does “computer scientist” qualify me?

    I also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently.

  51. #51 Dark Jaguar
    September 8, 2008

    Old joke? First I’ve heard of it. It’s funny because it’s completely bizarre.

    These are the Steves I know I know, these are the Steves I know. These are the Steves I know I know, these are the Steves I know. Some of them are Steven, but most of them are Steve. They all have their own hands but they come from different moms.

  52. #52 Kel
    September 8, 2008

    If only my name was Steve instead of Kel… and computer science counted.

  53. #53 Kseniya
    September 8, 2008

    Project Kseniya is alive and well. Working on double-digit membership, even as we speak.

    I always figured “Sven DiMilo” was a good-looking, though armless, love god.

  54. #54 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    You’re about 33% correct.
    And I have arms.

  55. #55 Kseniya
    September 8, 2008

    You mean not a masculinized quasi-anagram of Venus [DiMilo]?

  56. #56 Owlmirror
    September 8, 2008

    And I have arms.

    As a non-cephalopod, are you not mostly ‘armless?

    Ow. I think I sprained something there….

  57. #57 Sven DiMilo
    September 8, 2008

    Oh, I’ve got tentacle envy for sure.
    And yes, my fictive middle initial is U.
    But enough about me…anybody here namned Steve?

  58. #58 David Marjanovi?, OM
    September 8, 2008

    I guessed you were joking, but couldn’t resist commenting on the linguistic aspect anyway… I think David Marjanovi? has been a bad influence on me!

    Come, come to the dork side of the farce.

    (Not my idea.)

    [É]tienne (really?) – French

    YA RLY. Es became é a couple of hundred years ago, and the p –> b –> v must have disappeared sometime.

    Though all this is so little obvious that people tend to be named Stéphane nowadays. The female form, historically Étiennette, was replaced by Stéphanie longer ago.

    [?]stefanos – Turkish (any biologists left in Turkey?)

    Maybe, but that’s a Christian name. Turkish-speaking Christians are very rare.

  59. #59 negentropyeater
    September 8, 2008

    Etienne (really?) – French

    Etienne is not much in use nowadays.
    Stephane is much more frequent.

  60. #60 negentropyeater
    September 8, 2008

    sorry, cross-post

  61. #61 Reed A. Cartwright
    September 8, 2008

    There is some confusion about who qualifies. The list was initially focused to biologists and other scientific fields connected to evolution. However, from looking at the list in its current form, there are plenty of people from the humanities on it.

  62. #62 Steve Sauve
    September 8, 2008

    Well, I don’t have my PhD just yet…

    Damn.

  63. #63 James F
    September 8, 2008

    I personally recruited three Steves to the list, I’ll see if I can find some more….

  64. #64 commissarjs
    September 8, 2008

    Sadly I’m an engineer with the middle name of Stephen. Close but no cigar.

  65. #65 Bueller007
    September 8, 2008

    They reached 900 three days ago.

    Here’s the press release.
    http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/news/2008/ZZ/222_project_steve_n__900_9_5_2008.asp

  66. #66 Steve Norley
    September 9, 2008

    (smug on) I’ve been on the list for a few years now and have already worn out my second T-shirt. Even better than the T-shirt is the publication “The Morphology of Steve” (Annals of Improbable Research, July-August 2004). Being a co-author of a paper along with two Nobel Laureates plus Stephen Hawking makes for great bragging*.(smug off)

    *If only I could achieve that with a ‘real’ paper.

  67. #67 Zarquon
    September 9, 2008

    When the list reaches nine billion, one by one the stars go out and the universe ends…

  68. #68 Steve
    September 9, 2008

    I’m a Steve and a PhD, but it’s in accounting. Not sure if that would qualify as related to biology.

  69. #69 reverted
    September 9, 2008

    Yeah, but there may be a silver-lining around that cloud, Zarquon!

    Read Asimov’s short story, The Last Question. hehe ;)

  70. #70 Glenn Branch
    September 11, 2008

    The Steveometer is now at 930. Keep those Steves coming!