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Alle Terroristen sind Darwinisten
Category: Creationism
Posted on: September 22, 2008 1:46 PM, by PZ Myers
Adnan Oktar/Harun Yahya has been interviewed in Spiegel Online (that's in German; you might want to read this short paraphrase in English). He says a number of, umm, interesting things.
He dislikes Intelligent Design intensely, and sees it as a dishonest form of creationism.
The Islamic terrorists aren't actually Muslim—they are all foreign-educated Darwinist atheists. That includes Osama bin Laden.
In the 2009 Darwin year, he plans to celebrate the collapse of Darwinism. I don't think so.
He claims that he can finance sending out free copies of the Atlas of Creation because he doesn't accept royalties, so the publisher profits heavily. Uh, wait — how does the publisher profit off books that are given away?
As is commonly discovered, arch-creationists are very wacky people.
Comments
Posted by: IceFarmer | September 22, 2008 1:50 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I needed a good Monday laugh. Holy crap, what a douche bag!
Posted by: Jared | September 22, 2008 1:51 PM
When did he get out of jail/the asylum?
Posted by: gg | September 22, 2008 1:53 PM
"Uh, wait -- how does the publisher profit off books that are given away?"
So not only is he a biology/physics/geology/astronomy FAIL, he's also a mathematics/economics FAIL.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT | September 22, 2008 1:56 PM
But it sure has some purrrrty pictures.
And by purty I mean stolen.
Posted by: LisaJ | September 22, 2008 1:57 PM
Sounds like a real dumb-ass. The poor guy's going to be very disappointed when no one shows up to his 'I collapsed Darwinism' party. No one likes eating cake alone.
Posted by: Holbach | September 22, 2008 2:01 PM
Why doesn't the slime jump off of a high minaret and see if his allah will catch him. Moron.
Posted by: Glen Davidson | September 22, 2008 2:09 PM
Just define them to be so, then they must be.
I like how he hates ID, though. As it has become discredited, the traditionalists seem considerably more hostile toward ID than they have been. As predicted.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Jared | September 22, 2008 2:13 PM
A small translation;
He says:
"There are over 100 million fossils, which proves that there was a creation."
(How?)
"And these fossils do not change."
(Has he looked at the fossil record?)
A fish was always a fish, a crab was always a crab.
Must not be familiar with Tiktaalik or Acanthostega... Not to mention placoderms, squamates, serpents, therapods, etc.
"One finds the same fossils anywhere in the world."
Really now? I'd love to find a fossil australopithecus in North America...
"We have also demonstrated this in Turkey, and have seen with my own eyes."
Good for you... Where's the evidence?
"This is a clear proof."
No, it's claiming proof, not proof...
"In contrast, Darwinism has no evidence for the theory of evolution."
Wow...just wow.
"Their followers have no fossil evidence found that you could exploit."
Evolutionary theory would be fine without them; it doesn't even NEED fossils!
His last line is filled with even more fail:
"Darwinism is everywhere in the world under official protection. No other ideology, no other idea was ever this off-limits. Any criticism causes an official response."
His own religion is a perfect example of an ideology which is far more protected than evolutionary theory. I actually disagree with something in the field of biology, the species concept, but it's not shielded, most biologists welcome the criticism when it is warranted. It's when completely frivolous attacks are made simply because they disagree with a particular dogma that biologists get pissy.
Posted by: Donovan | September 22, 2008 2:14 PM
Actually, this would be great. Think of a new scientific revolution in biology that overthrows all we think we know. Oh, wait... He means theological retrograde, doesn't he? Damn it, I thought he had discovered rabits in the jurasic.
Posted by: Marco | September 22, 2008 2:14 PM
Holbach, the moron knows allah will definitely NOT catch him
Posted by: Badjuggler | September 22, 2008 2:16 PM
Maybe they make money giving away books the way the Change Bank on SNL made money - volume.
Posted by: Jadehawk | September 22, 2008 2:20 PM
actually, he says that his books sell excellently (8 mil. copies in Turkey, 2 mil. copies abroad), and because of that he can afford to send out free copies.At least that's what he says in the German version. What I want to know is how HE makes any money if he doesn't get any money from his books...
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 2:30 PM
He dislikes Intelligent Design intensely, and sees it as a dishonest form of creationism.
that's rather odd, considering he was a guest of the Disinformation Institute and sat on the "board" during the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt (before the Dover trial).
I'm sure the links to that can be found on the NCSE site if one goes back to around that time.
I rather think it would be a good idea to spread the word of his positive interaction with "the evil West" back in his neck of the woods.
Has he filed an injunction against all the sites that detailed his participation with the Disinformation Institute yet?
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 2:33 PM
filled with even more fail
"Filled with Fail"
That's going on the back of my next anti-antiscience tshirt.
Posted by: Jared | September 22, 2008 2:39 PM
#14, can you please provide me with a link when that comes available?
Posted by: Prof MTH | September 22, 2008 2:40 PM
This reminds me of some wacky beliefs one of my Xtian-oid aunts believes because of what her dumbass preacher taught them while doing a "study" of non-Xtian religions:
* The 9/11 terrorists were not Islamic, they were Muslims.
* Specifically they were Black Muslims (religiously not ethnically).
One of my other Xtian-oid aunts is totally convinced that the Left Behind series is/will be accurate.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 2:40 PM
oh, I don't sell them, I just make shirts for my own use.
It's not hard; there's very likely a silk-screener in your area.
hell, there are even kits to do it with your ink-jet printer these days.
Posted by: Kim | September 22, 2008 2:45 PM
Did you ever make me do a double take with that German headline. And wow, what a moron. It seems creationists are now coming to Europe, too, via Islam.
Posted by: Kobra | September 22, 2008 2:46 PM
HA! I'm still enjoying the effects of "First math test as a Freshman ever" buzz and not even something this absurdly stupid can bring me down! Nothing, I say!
*opens CNN*
Ah poop.
Posted by: Prof MTH | September 22, 2008 2:48 PM
Wouldn't that had been sometime during the Precambrian or maybe Paleozoic dependent upon where we start counting?
I wonder what would happen if he ever found out we use the calendar revised by Pope Gregory.
Posted by: tsg | September 22, 2008 2:49 PM
In pretty much the same way scientists have always hated ID for not being scientific enough, "real"[1] creationists have always hated ID because it isn't religious enough.
[1] aka "true"
Posted by: PZ Myers | September 22, 2008 2:56 PM
You should have attended Ron Numbers' talk at Madison last week! He talked briefly about how Oktar came to dislike ID: it seems that one of his disciples was achieving some repute as a spokesman for ID+Islam -- remember Mustafa Akyol?
As you might guess, one thing the charismatic head of an autocratic cult will not tolerate is an uppity acolyte who might steal some of the attention...so ID got repudiated.
Posted by: decrepitoldfool | September 22, 2008 2:56 PM
The secret is volume!
Posted by: I am so wise | September 22, 2008 2:58 PM
okay Darwinians, explain this one:
If natural selection is true, why is Adnan Oktar/Harun Yahya alive.
Also when you guys read idiocy like this
"The Islamic terrorists aren't actually Muslim--they are all foreign-educated Darwinist atheists. That includes Osama bin Laden."
How can your faith in natural selection not be dented?
I not only find myself losing faith in evolutionary theory, but also faith in a benevolent god.
Posted by: Holbach | September 22, 2008 2:58 PM
Marco @ 10
Precisely why reality is smack in the face only when expedient to the one being tested. This same moron will go to a full hospital when sick, and not deign to lie on a cold floor in a mosque with deranged mullahs spittle-flecking him with appeals to allah. Phony shits who will only die quickly on a suicide mission to spare themselves of the pain that allah will not abate. Damn, there must be hundreds of millions of virgins waiting for all that shit that don't seem to appear for their rewards. Maybe the virgins are waiting in the wrong place. Pathetic.
Posted by: Aaron | September 22, 2008 2:59 PM
Sheesh, now we're getting blamed for Islamic Terrorist Jihadism?
What next? Blaming us for the Nazis?
oh wait...
how about the Spanish Inquisition? I don't think we've been blamed for that quite yet. That's still *ALL* catholics, right?
Posted by: MGrant | September 22, 2008 3:01 PM
Oktar: Unlike Creation, the Darwinists have no evidence for the theory of evolution. Their camp have found no useful fossil evidence.
The mind boggles at this statement. I wish I could take strong evidence from the opposition and call it strong evidence for my position.
Oktar: The Darwinists stand all over the world under official defense [of the theory]. No other ideology, no other idea is so completely shielded. Any criticism prompts an official reaction. But it's still a scientific fact that evolution is false. Everyone who reads "The Atlas of Creation" comes to this conclusion. The Darwinists have betrayed mankind for 150 years.
Again, another completely nonsensical argument. Because scientists are capable of defending their position, their position is somehow weaker?
Oktar: One should be an upstanding believer in Allah, one should promote religion, whether it's Islam or Christianity. The concept of Intelligent Design argues that things were created, but not by whom. One should clearly say: [the creator] was Allah.
So Oktar doesn't disapprove of the message of ID, just the fact that it tries (and fails) to be less explicit about its ineptness as a scientific discipline.
Oktar: Darwinism is the foundation for Hitler's and Mussolini's Fascism, as well as Stalin's Communism.
Hey, look who showed up to the party!
I might translate more later, but you get the general idea. Everything bad that ever happened is lumped onto the scapegoat flavor of the week. In this case, Evolution.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 3:05 PM
That's still *ALL* catholics, right?
IIRC, the argument from modern catholics revolves around the "Cardinal Glick" argument:
"You can't blame the current mother church for the sins of old."
Cardinal Glick on Christ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BEZaPN8gUY
Posted by: John Phillips, FCD | September 22, 2008 3:10 PM
@Kim, they are not only coming via Islam, we already have our own share of crazy xian creationists, both YEC as well as IDiots. It was only last year that one of the EU parliamentary bodies started discussing the problem of creationism trying to creep into European science education. It wasn't the Islamic influence on creationism they were mainly discussing.
Posted by: Longtime Lurker | September 22, 2008 3:12 PM
In the 2009 Darwin year, he plans to celebrate the collapse of Darwinism.
This is from a d00d who published pictures of fishing lures, claiming they were insects!
Posted by: Sili | September 22, 2008 3:20 PM
Is it too much to hope that good ol' Osama declares a fatwah on Oktar?
Posted by: theinquisitor | September 22, 2008 3:29 PM
The youtube user CapnOrdinary did a great series of videos debunking Harun Yahya's silly book.
Posted by: Rachel | September 22, 2008 3:31 PM
I might not get very far if this interview already starts with some absurdity. First the German and then my translation (as literal as I can): "Es gibt über 100 Millionen Fossilien, die beweisen, dass es eine Schöpfung gab. Und diese Fossilien haben sich nie verändert." - "There are more than 100 million fossils that prove that there was a creation. And those fossils have never changed." Well DUH! Of course fossils don't change! They are DEAD! Oh, wait! I guess I should take him literally, huh?
Posted by: SteveM | September 22, 2008 3:33 PM
I assume that Oktar is using "official" as in police. That is, he is probably claiming that scientists can't rationally defend Darwinism so they hire "strong arms" to defend it by force.
Posted by: Matt7895 | September 22, 2008 3:38 PM
"Oktar: Darwinism is the foundation for Hitler's and Mussolini's Fascism, as well as Stalin's Communism."
So much fail. What Hitler aspired to was to use artificial selection, which is used to breed dogs, horses, cows, chickens, vegetables, on human beings. What Mussolini aspired to was an Italian Empire to rival that of France and Britain. There was nothing 'Darwinist' about it.
Posted by: Jonathon | September 22, 2008 3:39 PM
Ok, so I used Babelfish to translate the page and read the article. The summary was pretty good and covered the core content.
What I read there is a lot of typical propaganda from the likes of the creationists here in the United States. "Allah did it," is not a scientific explanation. Also, the notion that Osama bin Laden and the members of Al Qaeda and their allies are not Muslims is ABSURD. It strikes me the same was as those who say that the guys who did the Oklahoma City Bombing weren't really Christians, even though they were heavily indoctrinated in far-right, fascist Christian theology.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 3:39 PM
That is, he is probably claiming that scientists can't rationally defend Darwinism so they hire "strong arms" to defend it by force.
I recall an old Far Side cartoon that pictured a guy dressed in a "science garb" with a cop fronting him and yelling at the people on the sidewalk to:
"Get out of the way! An ecologist is coming!"
In the late 80's I think it was plastered on over half of the biology staff office doors at UCSB.
Posted by: Jadehawk | September 22, 2008 3:40 PM
he's using "official" as in "governmental", so yes. he's claiming that scientists can't support their theory by themselves, so they're using government to strong-arm everybody into thinking the way they want. his persecution-complex is showing
Posted by: Jared | September 22, 2008 3:40 PM
I hope post #24 was a joke...
Ichthyic; yes, I have made a few of my own shirts, I was just going to buy one if they were being sold, simply because it sounds cool
Rachel @33, yea, that's pretty much what I got out of it, too, except he's ignoring a few million other fossils, not to mention the ages of said fossils...
Posted by: Richard Harris | September 22, 2008 3:40 PM
You are so wise @ # 24, ...I not only find myself losing faith in evolutionary theory, but also faith in a benevolent god.
Just because some people are stupid or crazy doesn't mean natural selection doesn't work. It simply produces organisms that function sufficiently well within an ecological niche to pass on their genes.
A benevolent god is against the evidence, so I'm with you on that.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 3:41 PM
his persecution-complex is showing
more like projecting what he himself is used to.
Posted by: ali | September 22, 2008 3:41 PM
Fortunately, creationist are still a tiny minority over here and very few people take them and their programmes seriously (I don't know about Turkey, though). I guess they interviewed him, because it is some kind of freak-show. And wow, he delivers!
By the way, the end of the interview is kind of nice too. Apparently he got a prison sentence recently for founding an 'illegal organisation for personal gain' (one is left wondering if it has something to do with fishing....). But he says that he appealed because there were 'no proves' that he 'judges to be acceptable'. His idea of justice seems to be similar to his idea of biology. It is obviously up to him to decide what is a fact and what not.
P.S.: The summary at the link above is quite complete an accurate. You don't need a translation of the interview if you don't speak German.
Posted by: Rachel | September 22, 2008 3:42 PM
Regarding the question on how he can finance the free books: Apparently he's making all the money by selling plenty of other books.
"Only last year, we sold 8 million books in Turkey and 2 million outside of Turkey." And this year he's selling twice that... I guess there are lots of people actually buying this crap... Well, the pictures are beautiful!
The German quote:
"Allein im letzten Jahr wurden acht Millionen Exemplare in der Türkei und zwei Millionen im Ausland abgesetzt."
Posted by: coacholson | September 22, 2008 3:43 PM
And-- arch evolutionists are wacky too as is Dr. P.Z. Myers who has a real knack for being an intolerant hateful person who perhaps wants to return to the days of the Red Guard of Red China's cultural revolution of "re-education camps" for those that don't buy into Dr. Myers ways. Maybe an inquisition of all science teachers? That would be fun-- forget all the peer reviews, administrative reviews etc. Dr. Myers said once "The only appropriate response should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing of some teachers, many school board members, and vast numbers of sleazy, far-right politicians...I say, screw the polite words and careful rhetoric. It's time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots." How can that quote be defended by any sane educator or even a lefty blogger. Maybe Dr. Myers could come up with a controlled study with quantitative results that proves his hypothesis that ID teachers are inferior. How about it Dr. Myers, that should not prove too difficult-- right??. How Dr. Myers gets a pass from the administration at Morris is beyond me-- such threatening words are really very juvenile and immature, not to mention hateful.
Posted by: catta | September 22, 2008 3:44 PM
Yay, one of my favourite loonies. *sigh*
I'll do a complete translation if anyone's interested (just not sure where to put it yet...).
Also, the article says there's more about islamic creationists in the current print issue. I'll check that out. Maybe there's more entertaining and less frustrating material to be found. ;)
Posted by: DCP | September 22, 2008 3:56 PM
My favorite line:
"Der Darwinismus ist die Grundlage für Hitlers und Mussolinis Faschismus und Stalins Kommunismus"
This is wrong on so many levels.
Posted by: Alan Chapman | September 22, 2008 3:56 PM
Creationists should be accorded the same level of respect as any charlatan peddling snake-oil on the street corner.
Posted by: Richard Harris | September 22, 2008 3:57 PM
coacholson, ...proves his hypothesis that ID teachers are inferior.
Easy! ID = goddidit, for which there is no evidence at all. It is magic-thinking, so can't be disproved, even though the actual evidence is 100% against it. So, ID teachers & believers are inferior. In fact, they are either stupid ot they're crazy.
Dr Myers is spot-on right that the con artists preaching that anti-science nonsense should be castigated severely.
Posted by: Jared | September 22, 2008 3:59 PM
Moron @44
Dear kind sir,
Perhaps you could be so kind as to demonstrate evidence that what teachers pushing so called "intelligent design" in the classroom is based upon scientific testing. If they are not based upon scientific testing, then teaching this as "science" is not, in any way, acceptable. In the likely event you still do not understand, let me put it to you in terms you may understand:
ID is not science, never has been, never will be, to teach it in a classroom which should be teaching science is, by the very nature of the contradiction, inferior. You do not need a study to demonstrate this, logic works just fine.
In the likely event you STILL don't get it, here's a little experiment for you: look for any peer reviewed papers which demonstrate design in any organism on Earth, when you find it, let me know.
Posted by: Wolfhound | September 22, 2008 4:00 PM
Before the real dogpile begins on our driveby religiotard @44, I'd like to give him what he apparently came here for: "Fuck you, Mr. Fartface Stupidhead!" Probably not quite as hateful as he was hoping but I do believe I got the juvenile immaturity part down.
Thay being said, perhaps "coacholson" (who I am willing to bet sometimes is called upon to sub for the science teachers once in a while)would care to present some peer reviewed ID research with ANY results, quantitative or otherwise. :crickets chirping:
Posted by: Holbach | September 22, 2008 4:02 PM
coacholson @ 44
Sounds like all the insane religious crap puked out over these many years by the same crud PZ excoriates. Religion is the despoiler of humanity, not science and people of reason. Hell, that rhetoric by PZ sounds quite tame to what I would have used. Anything used against religion to show that it is insanity run amuck is warranted, no matter how strident and demeaning or offered in an iron glove. You only have to get your imaginary god to put an end to this crapping on religion. Where is your god?
Posted by: 'Tschland | September 22, 2008 4:02 PM
"Der Darwinismus ist die Grundlage für Hitlers und Mussolinis Faschismus und Stalins Kommunismus" (English: "Darwinism is the groundwork for Hitler's and Mussolini's fascism and Stalin's communism.")
That is really strange.
Posted by: catta | September 22, 2008 4:03 PM
@coacholsen... no study necessary. ID is inferior by its own definition. If, as a science teacher, you teach ID, you are incompetent as a scientist. A teacher with a poor grasp of the subject he is meant to teach should be fired, what's so hard to understand about that? You might as well suggest a study to find out if someone with no command of the English language whatsoever is qualified to teach Shakespeare.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 4:04 PM
How can that quote be defended by any sane educator or even a lefty blogger.
quite easily, when it's not taken out of context like you just did.
Posted by: Nick Gotts | September 22, 2008 4:06 PM
coacholson,
It was a metaphor, moron. Like this one: fuck off and die.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 4:07 PM
How Dr. Myers gets a pass from the administration at Morris is beyond me-- such threatening words are really very juvenile and immature, not to mention hateful.
another entry in the "religionauts project constantly" database.
Posted by: negentropyeater | September 22, 2008 4:12 PM
This one is ·"interesting", he says ;
Für einen Menschen, der Allah fürchtet, ist es unmöglich, Terrorakte durchzuführen.
For someone who fears Allah, it is impossible to carry out a terrorist act !
Certanly not for a Shi'a. What about if the terror act is part of a Jihad ?
- "Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your disposal so that you can strike terror into the enemies of Allah and of the believers and others beside them who may be unknown to you, though Allah knows them. And remember whatever you spend for the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you. You shall not be wronged."
--Qur'an
Posted by: WRMartin | September 22, 2008 4:13 PM
Hey Coach,
Is that going to be on the test?
</highschool, back of the room>
Posted by: Christian | September 22, 2008 4:16 PM
#46 DCP said:
And yet it is so common that it even got an entry in the Quixotic Message:
Darwinists are responsible for both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism. Both racism and liberalism. Both feminism and sexism. Both animal research and the animal rights movement. And Commie-Nazism. [11]
Posted by: Leslie in Canada | September 22, 2008 4:17 PM
Adnan Oktar is right! Allah have given us everything, including fish fingers: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080922.wtoes0922/BNStory/Science/home
Oh, wait--this suggests fish evolved. And that there are transitional fossils. Never mind.
Posted by: Jadehawk | September 22, 2008 4:17 PM
that isn't so much strange as it is a conflation of a series of simplistic arguments: Both Hitler and Stalin (no clue about Mussolini) did their best to eradicate Organized Religion from their nations because of fear of a competing source of power over people; they did the same with ALL other powerful organizations, i.e. dissolved them and introduced a state-sanctified version.
Out of this, the simplistic argument goes like this: against Organized Religion = against religiosity/spirituality = Atheists = Darwinists.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 4:19 PM
Is it strange that when I first saw the title of this thread:
Alle Terroristen sind Darwinisten
the first thing that came to mind was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
Posted by: LotharLoo | September 22, 2008 4:38 PM
I think somebody wants to get banned in Turkey too.
PZ: Just yell something, if you need any help from us. I'm pretty sure we can load up some pretty juicy swear words at this supreme idiot Adnan Oktar (or whatever hell is his name).
Posted by: Dungheap the Ugly | September 22, 2008 4:44 PM
If anyone feels the need to experience the crazy firsthand, just about all of Oktar's books can be downloaded as PDFs here.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 22, 2008 4:50 PM
Rev BDC KoT (OM?) asks-
VOLUME!
Posted by: Alethias | September 22, 2008 4:52 PM
A copy of "Atlas of Creation" should be mailed to the terrorists that he is calling darwinist-atheists with a translated copy of that article from spiegel pasted into the front cover.
Posted by: catta | September 22, 2008 4:57 PM
Just did a complete translation and mailed it to you, PZ...
because the summary is missing one of the gems of the interview, IMHO. Short version:
Spiegel: "Why don't you believe in evolution?"
Yahya: "I don't accept the evidence!"
(later...)
Spiegel: "Why aren't you in jail right now?"
Yahya: "I don't accept the evidence!"
Hrhr. Let's hope the court of appeals finds that just as ridiculous.
Posted by: coacholson | September 22, 2008 5:16 PM
I rest my case-- The wonderful thoughtful replies by all of you. Instead of any quantitative data from research I get FUs-- you must have a limited vocabulary. Emotionalism and swearing-- how delightful of you. How scientific of you! You guys are really a joke. I think some of you should get some more socialization and I don't think it from this blog. I really don't care what you think to tell you the truth. We had a new abbreviation for people like you at school to go with E.B.D. and O.D.D.: J.P.N.-- Just Plain Nuts! Thanks-- you have given me some great quotes to prove how out of touch some of you are.
Posted by: catta | September 22, 2008 5:29 PM
Ah yes. Unscientific BS should be taught in science class, and caring, lovely people like you with sympathy for kids with disorders are perfectly qualified as teachers, assuming you really are a "coach". Makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 5:32 PM
I really don't care what you think to
tell you the truthlie unabashedly.there, fixed that for you.
Posted by: Holbach | September 22, 2008 5:39 PM
coacholson @ 68
No, you and your imaginary god are the jokes, and the joking about to the roar of hilarity. Hell, you just did not expect this onslaught of rationalism to your deranged brain gone insane with your crap religion. All the replies were not FU's as you seem to imply, but just basic reason to show and prove that you are insane and do not know it.
It must piss you off that you cannot get your god to kick the crap out of us like we do with your kind and your crap insane religion. The whole country is not afflicted with religious insanity as you presume it to be. There are still many of us sane enough to know when religion afflicted brains are out puking their brand of delusion and do not expect such an outporing of battering reason to combat your sappy religious crap. The world of religion is not the real world, and you have had a taste of that firsthand. Give us some more of your crap religious ideas and we will surely and wholeheartedly drop you in the sewer with your religion where you belong. Welcome aboard!
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 5:43 PM
We had a new abbreviation for people like you at school
LOL you're a child.
here's an abbreviation that applies to you:
ADHD
Now go get medicated like a good little xian soldier.
Posted by: Qwerty | September 22, 2008 5:57 PM
An interview with Roger Ebert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTYVnuKnJNo
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 6:01 PM
q...
should that link be in the thread on Ebert?
Posted by: steve_h | September 22, 2008 6:05 PM
Uh oh! Comment the two-millionth comes most likely not from Turkey.
Posted by: Jadehawk | September 22, 2008 6:06 PM
coacholson... if you don't wanna be treated like a troll, don't behave like one.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 6:18 PM
Give us some more of your crap religious ideas and we will surely and wholeheartedly drop you in the sewer with your religion where you belong. Welcome aboard!
Crap, uninspired and dull
Come Aboard. We're expecting you.
Crap, religion's reward.
Let it flow, it floats back to you.
The Crap Boat...
Soon will be making another run.
The Crap Boat...
Promises something for everyone!
Tune out all adventure,
set your meters* on overload!
...Welcome aboard it's CraAAAAaaaAAAAp!
*(Irony, that is).
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | September 22, 2008 6:20 PM
"The" species concept? There are at least 25 species concepts out there!
Not at all. It's typical religious-wacko logic. You see... would the devil fight against himself? No: evil = evil = evil. Therefore, Hitler = Mussolini = Stalin.
(I'm sure he finds some way to simply ignore the whole WWII from 1941 onward. Maybe it was the Conspiracy, I mean, the devil putting up a show.)
Well, no. All three cooperated with the biggest churches whenever they saw fit. Sometimes such organizations can be very useful to a dictator. The churches "just" had to pay attention to what they said about which topics.
Posted by: Arnosium Upinarum | September 22, 2008 6:21 PM
Der hund ist verruckt.
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 6:21 PM
Sometimes such organizations can be very useful to a dictator.
Just ask W!
Posted by: Ichthyic | September 22, 2008 6:25 PM
Der hund ist verruckt.
is that the equivalent of calling someone a "mad dog" in the States?
Posted by: Arnosium Upinarum | September 22, 2008 6:37 PM
Coacholson:
"I really don't care what you think to tell you the truth."
Well then, coach, StFU.
Posted by: Jadehawk | September 22, 2008 6:37 PM
David M
Hitler cooperated with churches where he couldn't usurp their power, but at the same time he institutionalized many Germanic celebrations to undermine traditional holidays, created a state sanctioned church which failed, and then "softened" his approach to "synchronization", i.e. churches could remain legal institutions as long as they strictly followed the party line. The Concordat with the Papacy lasted only long enough to dissolve the catholic parties and unions; the ultimate goal was in either case replacement of independent churches with a church subordinate to him.
Stalin went for the more direct approach and made sure religion was declared a anti-communist force and was persecuted. again, not because people believing in angels and invisible powerful men was a big deal to him, but because the church (Russian orthodox and catholic especially) had power over people that he didn't want anyone else to have. The Russian Orthodox church only survived extinction because it completely subordinated itself to Stalin's regime.
in either case, the reason was not atheism, but a fear of competing influence.
Posted by: The Chemist | September 22, 2008 6:46 PM
ACK! Double negative! Kill it! Kill it with...FIRE!
*Brandishes lit torch*
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I actually found out I know some people who have this loon's books. Fun. Judging by at least one title we get to go over the whole Darwinism=Nazism thing again. It's a bizarre feeling because I've explained it before, I just haven't explained it to these particular individuals yet.
Posted by: Arnosium Upinarum | September 22, 2008 6:49 PM
Ichthyic: Sort of, yes.
Word-for-word it translates: "That dog is crazy".
In the culural vernacular it more resembles "that guy is a mad dog" or "that dog-of-a-man is mad".
Germans know hydrophobia is very pernicious.
Posted by: coacholson | September 22, 2008 6:49 PM
To: Nick Gotts #55
I realize it is a metaphor sir. I have said that in other posts. Just as when I have said that some evolutionists are "book burners" is a metaphor. The bottom line is this, Myers wants to wreck careers and lives and is setting up a single issue as the lone requirement for people to teach. If he used that language in an email to another staff member at a public school metaphor or not he would be roundly disciplined.
If your hero, Richard Dawkins, were put into a Junior High science class, even though you love his atheistic philosophy, I doubt very much you would want him for your children since he would be destroyed by the little ones.
Let me see, your evidence without a study would be:
1. Most teaching in public schools is evolutionary.
2. Test scores in science are low.
3. Let's blame the ID educators and the likes of Jonathan Wells.
I guess that makes sense to you. Your mind is made up-- why test?
By the way are you certified with a degree to make moron labels? Are you certified as an administrator to do classroom reviews and check for lesson plan development?
Posted by: Travis | September 22, 2008 6:52 PM
Coacholson;
People don't have to be nice to be right.
Also, when you barge onto a blog and insult everyone on it, people often react badly. Quotemining/taking out of context is also a particular red flag to most people here. Not mentioned in the bible anywhere but I assure you it's true.
Evidence supports evolution. No evidence supports a six-day divine creation.
That's all there is to it. I appreciate that this answer may not be reassuring, or what you want to hear, but again that has nothing to do with its truth, sad to say.
Best of luck for the future, and please do some bloody reading. Your ignorance is showing.
And on the off chance that you're just trolling for a laugh- not the best troll I've seen. Try putting words in all caps and making sweeping threats of genocide or damnation for a little more zing.
Posted by: Travis | September 22, 2008 6:57 PM
"If your hero, Richard Dawkins, were put into a Junior High science class, even though you love his atheistic philosophy, I doubt very much you would want him for your children since he would be destroyed by the little ones."
Actually, Dawkins has done a bit of science and rationalism work with kids, and done it well. I for one would be pleased to have him teach my children.
So stop putting words in people's mouths.
Posted by: CJO | September 22, 2008 7:00 PM
Gosh, do you think that's why he posted on his blog? Are you unable to distinguish among the various forms of communication that may take place via these tubes?