I am a very naughty boy
Category: Kooks • Religion
Posted on: September 29, 2008 12:03 PM, by PZ Myers
I've barred the doors — I'm sure that any moment now, a squadron of goose-stepping nuns will come marching up the street to wag their fingers at me and rebuke me for what I've started. It seems the Youth of Today are going on YouTube and…flaunting their disrespect for crackers!
People can find a video of almost anything on YouTube: babies' first steps, Saturday Night Live skits, news clips, concerts and now - to the shock of Catholics everywhere - desecration of the Eucharist.
YouTube has long been a destination for Catholics seeking video clips of Masses, apologetics lectures or devotions, but now Catholic outrage is growing as the site has become home to a string of videos depicting acts of Eucharistic desecration, including flushing a host down the toilet, putting one in a blender, feeding one to animals, shooting one with a nail gun and more.
They don't provide links, perhaps fearing that this could become even more popular. Here you go, somebody is having lots of fun with his crackers. Gosh, maybe more people will be publicly committing heresy now!
You can guess what the response is.
"I don't know what to say," said a stunned Msgr. C. Eugene Morris, professor of sacramental theology at Kenrick Glennon Seminary in St. Louis, when told about the videos. "I am outraged that YouTube is tacitly supporting this and giving this behavior an audience."
Hey, Eugene! It's just a cracker! Get over it — as long as people aren't disrupting your services or pilfering chalices, there has been no interference with your religious freedom, and no harm done.
Thomas Serafin is president of the International Crusade for Holy Relics, an internet watchdog group of Catholic laymen. His group has been fighting online affronts to the Catholic Church, including the sale of the Eucharist and of relics of the saints online, for more than a decade.
"YouTube has to be held accountable and stopped," Serafin said from Los Angeles. "If Catholics don't take a stand right now, they can expect such outrages to continue."
Serafin added: "The internet is, in many ways, a new world, and it is our duty to evangelize this world, but we have to speak up and be heard to do that."
Thomas and his organization are more than a little creepy — death cultists oblivious to their own bizarrely morbid obsessions. They have a right to evangelize if they want, but others have a right to mock and laugh at them, too. These wackos are organizing now, though, to get YouTube to censor and blacklist anyone who visibly makes fun of religious beliefs. YouTube has not cave in yet, though, and I hope they hold out — it is absurd to say that Catholic videos of blood and bones are not offensive, while videos of demolished bits of bread are outrages that must be yanked.
Serafin said people should call or write YouTube to demand that the videos be taken down. YouTube's public relations email address is press@youtube.com
People who think YouTube should not be in the business of prosecuting blasphemy should also write and let them know that you are pleased they are not the religion police.
Now whose fault is all this? Mine. I am so proud.
One name still making the rounds in YouTube and bloggers' discussions on Eucharistic desecration is Paul Z. Myers, the University of Minnesota professor who asked his blog readers in July to "score" him "some consecrated communion wafers."
"If any of you would be willing to do what it takes to get me some, or even one, and mail it to me, I'll show you sacrilege, gladly, and with much fanfare," Myers wrote in response to the case of a University of Central Florida student who stole a consecrated host the previous month.
Myers later posted a picture of a host - which he claimed was consecrated and sent to him via mail - as well as pages from the Koran and atheist Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" in a trash can, underneath coffee grounds and a banana peel.
As for the current YouTube videos, Dominique cited Myers as inspiration for the video series.
This is great! Everyone should join in! It makes me so pleased to see growing, vocal opposition to the fundamental absurdity of religion, do keep it up.
Of course, the price we pay is a lot of complaints back at us, which is fine — annoying, but it's their right. Since I just got back from a long weekend, I thought I'd peek into the eucharist auto-trash folder and see what's dribbled into my email lately, and you'll find a sample below the fold. I just grabbed the top 15, so it's also fairly representative of the content.
Most of these, by the way, are also being sent to President Bruininks and Chancellor Johnson, who, I'm sure, are thoroughly sick of them all. I wouldn't be surprised if they're filtering out anything that mentions "Myers"!
Your disciplining of Paul Z. Myers for desecrating the the Eucharist was not adequate. You will have to do more like terminating him or giving him a very long suspension. People are outraged at his behavior. Even if we do not share someone's beliefs we do not show our disrespect in such an extreme way. I don't think you recognize what has happened here. I advise you to rise to better than you have.
Dear Doctor Bruininks,
I recently learned of the actions of Professor Paul Myers at UMN in which he desecrated the Catholic Eucharist and then posted photos of the desecration on his website before disposing of it in the trash. Now why would a man in our hypersensitive, politically correct, multicultural society go out of his way to willfully and publicly offend one fragment of that society with whom he has no beef other than his rejection of their beliefs? Well, obviously it all has to do with Professor Myers's attempt to self identify as a "controversial" , "iconoclastic", and "tell it like it is" member of academia. Who knows what back-slapping and monetary/sexual favors will come his way as the result of his courageous stand?
The problem is, of course, that you can beat the tar out of the Catholic church with impunity. Kind of like that punk in the movie "Witness" who tormented the twice-as-strong, strapping young Amish man knowing full well that the Amish culture did not permit retaliation. I also recalled a comedy skit offered by Robin Williams in which he used his overrated and miniscule comic imagination to ridicule pro-life proponents. Writing the next day a critic referred to this performance as "controversial and brave". The fact that you probably never heard of this part of his repertoire tells you all you need to know about how truly brave and controversial he was. Contrast that with Lenny Bruce who, the day after the Kennedy assassination, performed a comic skit mimicking and ridiculing Jackie Kennedy's retreat over the back of the automobile after the bullets were fired. Now that was brave and controversial and members of the audience had to be restrained from lynching Mr. Bruce right there on the stage.
Had Professor Myers really taken a unique and courageous stand, I'm sure he would have suffered a fate similar to Professor Larry Summers at Harvard. But instead of slapping this small minded man silly for his self-aggrandizing actions made at the expense of UMN's reputation, you respond with hand-wringing over academic freedom and privacy rights. Had he posted on his web a photo of a polar bear that he slaughtered as a protest against global warming, I wonder if your respect for his privacy would have been equivalent. No, change that. I don't wonder.
I make sure I use my mailing list to enlighten my circle of friends regarding the craven actions of your professor and your equally cowardly response, and I'll ask them to forward the information to their circle of friends. Hopefully I'll be able to create some significant level of the well-deserved disrespect for your University and its tinhorn biology teacher.
Sincerely,
John Conwell
Paul Z. Myers,
Now that you have desecrated the Eucharist and offended me and over a billion Catholics, I would like you to publicly desecrate the Koran.
I'm waiting to see that marvelous display of "academic freedom."
David Lanser
Dear Dr. Myers,
As you are a scientist, you are objective.
As a scientist, I am objective. But I also know that there is an existence I cannot see. If someone else does not believe the same, I do not criticize them.
Why do you have a problem with the belief system of the Catholic Church? Why does it disturb you? From a historical perspective, the Catholic Church originated the university system that you enjoy so much.
To actively desecrate the Eucharist, in which you do not believe, has no meaning for you. It is an expression of an emotional or spiritual disturbance in someone who is usually logical in approach. Your hostility is a symptom, and you are using it to persecute. If I were not already Catholic, I would run to join up. A belief system so maliciously treated must have something of value as its basis.
If you are open-minded, I challenge you to say one sentence each day-"God, if You are real, prove it to me."
Sincerely,
Judith McGuinn, MD
I'm terribly sorry that you saw fit to desecrate the Holy Eucharist and show total disrespect for 67 million Catholics nationwide.Your bizzare behavior won't be tolerated.You certainly owe all Catholics an apology.Knock it off.
Sincerely,
Carl R. Carieri
Dear President Robert Bruinks,
Today I received the information regarding your biology professor Paul Zachary Myers who had desecrated the Holy Eucharist and suffered no penalty. I was really shocked. I am from Minnesota, Winona County. Years ago I was told that one of my cousins lost his faith at the University of Minnesota. Now I can understand why. I beg you to do what is in your power to eliminate this professor and others who would like to destroy the Church from your staff.
Sincerely,
Marie Louise Jilk
Northfield, Illinois
Gentlemen and Lady,
We are a worldwide church of one billion people and 60 million in the USA. We love our Church and believe in its teachings. All we ask is that you respect our beliefs and leave us alone. We do not want our Eucharist belittled and desecrated. It is our belief and faith that Jesus is truly there and through the centuries there have been many miracles to prove it, if one takes the time to research this beautiful faith, founded by Jesus Himself. You will know this when you die. In the meantime, especially Dr. Myers, I hope you will mind your own business and grow up. We have freedom of religion in America -- we also need to respect others' beliefs. If that student took the Eucharist from the Church, it was wrong, and Dr. Donohue had every right to object and do what he did to defend it. He will be rewarded -- will you?
Deanna Hohmann
West Caldwell, NJ
Mr. Meyers,
You really have some demented ideas. From your sacrilegious misuse of the Eucharist to your attempts to trash Mike Koelzer I really have to wonder what your real problem is. It's plain to see you have no regard for God or for innocent human life. I do hope you get some professional help and I will pray for you. May the Holy Spirit change your heart and mind. Remember, Jesus does love you!
Mrs. Deborah Gallo
Dear Professor:
Jesus freely submitted to crucifixion and death on the cross as a sacrifice to atone for our sins. In fact, in His great love he has revealed to St. Mary Alacoque that even if yours was the only soul to die for it would still be worth His life. This sacrifice is renewed everyday through the Eucharist at Catholic masses throughout the world, where Jesus becomes truly present; body, blood, soul and divinity.
How unfathomably generous that God would permit himself to be veiled behind the most ordinary of materials to teach us what true humility means and provide manifold graces to poor sinners (myself included). Not only have you chosen to reject this marvelous gift which helps lead us to salvation, but you have committed the gravest of sacrileges. Please consider deeply what you have done and repent of this horrific act. It is never too late to seek the Lord's forgiveness. He loves His lost sheep so very deeply despite the wounds they inflict on Him every day.
Eternity is a state to which there is no end. Are you willing to gamble that if you are wrong on this point, you are going to spend eternity in ceaseless torment apart from the Living God? I cannot imagine a scarier prospect. If anything, stop your persecution of the Catholic Church, for you are attacking the millions of faithful when you mock and mistreat Her.
I had never heard of the Morris campus of the University of Minnesota until one of your tenured faculty took it upon himself to desecrate the Holy Eucharist, a sacrament of the Roman Catholic Church.
It seems pretty obvious that your Dr. Paul Z. Myers has a problem above and beyond his hatred of Catholicism. In his current state, are the Catholic students in his classes safe?
Why don't you put him on sabbatical and let the mental health professionals take him away for a nice respite? (Even Nancy Pelosi would understand the nature of his dastardly act.)
Maybe that would quiet down Bill Donohue of the Catholic League. In the meantime, why not visit his website at www.catholicleague.org.
I imagine a few of the Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims that I'm blind-copying on this email will visit the site, assess the commotion created by Paul Z. Myers and elect, perhaps, to check in with you regarding their reactions to what Dr. Myers did and what you have not done, so far, in response to his actions.
Donohue, although a New Yorker, is an Irish Catholic of the stripe that I grew up with in Chicago.
Chicago Catholics understand Donohue because his ire reflects theirs but we don't understand Myers nor your tolerance of him beyond the fact that he has tenure.
Is there any possibility that Bruininks and Johnson quietly agree with Myer's histrionic behavior?
Is it possible that the Morris campus suffers from pandemic anti-Catholicism--and the world needs to know?
Maybe the Catholic press needs to survey the situation on a national level to see if Donohue has a legitimate complaint or is simply the victim of that gene so many Irish strive to keep under control--hyperbole stoked by righteous rage.
I suspect that as long as Donohue breathes we'll learn more about the "Morris Three," as some now call this gathering of Myers, Bruininks and Johnson, as well as their fellow travelers in Morris, MN.
Good luck in the deluge.
Donal F. Mahoney
Perhaps you will not even read this.
It is time for academia to stand up against all intolerance and not just ignore offending 24% of the population of the USA.
Anti-Catholicism is one of the last glaringly acceptable exceptions for passing a test of "tolerance" among the enlightened ilk. If anything of the sort was done to blacks, homosexuals, Jews, or Muslims there would be a swift penal reaction from your administration; we all know that to be true.
You have a chance to do the right thing. He should be on probation at the very least. If something like this happens again, I'm sure many names will become more familiar in Catholic circles and perhaps many e-mail boxes will be a bit jammed. That's much better than what will happen to professor Myers if he continues to offend Muslims. We Christians reason with persecutors and pray for them, none of your University family will be safe if the Muslims feel slighted!
I hope you understand the difference. Godspeed, Fr. Kloster
Dr. Bruininks:
At the end of October my wife and I are travelling to Minnesota to see some old friends. We have never been to your state before and are excited to see all that we can. While we are there we want to tell our friends and to relay our message to their relatives and friends about the University of Minnesota.
We do hope they will be as disgusted as we are about a certain Dr. Myers on your faculty who, in the name of the university, has taken it upon himself to totally disrespect our beliefs in the Holy Eucharist of the Catholic Church.
We here in the East have heard about him and what he has done with what he irreverently calls a 'cracker'.
It has lowered our opinion of not only your university but of the state in general since it is a state university. This could not happen at our beloved Penn State.
The tolerance you show for everything non-Christian is remarkable and your intolerance for anything Christian is more remarkable.
In conclusion, it might be suggested to that so-called professor who only studies little fish to show some courage and burn a Koran...after all, it's only A BOOK !!
Sincerely
Michael F. Gallagher
Abington, PA
You kick against the goad.
Acts: 9:4-6
"And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Who said: Who art thou, Lord? And He: I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. It is hard for thee to kick against the goad."
Instead of advocating peace, charity and good will to your fellow men, you give fire to the spirit of hatred and ill-will among your fellow men.
With your public rabid dog howling against the Holy Eucharist, and Jesus Christ you let the whole world know how spiritually in pain you are.
After you are dead, and your body turns to dust/ashes, the Holy Eucharist and Jesus Christ will still be alive and well. Read your history books. Jesus Christ yesterday, Jesus Christ today, and Jesus Christ tomorrow.
Death will come to let you know just how un-important you are.
You kick against the goad, and the GOAD will triumph.
Myers:
I'm seventy years old, and have been a Catholic all my life, as my ancestors.
I hold the Eucharist as a Holy precept, concept of my Catholic faith and resent anybody ridiculing or desecrating my religious faith.
You have a very hateful spirit. Like the howling dogs of hell you have so much hatred that you cannot tolerate spiritual joy so you attach it like a rabid dog.
Repent before you die howling like the dogs of hell with a soul full of hatred!! It's not too late!! Give up your hatred!! Learn to give spiritual joy, goodwill and peace. With all your book learning you are still very ignorant. What so ever you sow you shall reap!
Hey Pauly,
All of the monkeys ain't in the zoo; the rest are at the University of Minnesota. Even more illuminating is that all the assholes are there too, not to mention the bigots, frauds, perverts, and no-nothings. I think that pretty much covers the spectrum in the educated imbeciles category. But, you stand out a little more than others.
Your total inanity of blasphemy and sacrilege in desecrating a Sacred Host while disparaging Roman Catholicism is particularly interesting. But, you are indubitably an order of fries short of a Happy Meal - and to be pitied and prayed for. The "Light" will shine soon enough though.
Regardless of your self-imposed proclivities, Jesus believes you are someone special too. He died on the cross for everyone - the most arrogant, prideful, dishonest, disrespectful and hate-filled. But, He offered us all a chance to believe in Him, with the hope of salvation and eternal happiness after death.
Factoid:
No one is required to tolerate the intolerable. And you, Pauly, are . . . I-n-t-o-l-e-r-a-b-l-e!
I'd suggest passing this on to a few of your elitist contemporaries for translation purposes, but I 'm sure they're probably more than just one order of fries short of their Happy Meal. What say you, Pauly?
Have a nice day, eh? J
PS - I won't pretend to understand your outrageous blasphemy and misconduct as long as you don't pretend to misundersdtand my justified anger.
One other development: while the flood of email is waning, the physical, posted, stamped, US Postal Service-type mail has actually been increasing. I'm getting a couple of letters, all still similar in tone to the email, and just as repetitive, every day. Here's one example, unsigned, postmarked from Saginaw, Michigan.

ATH Z MYERS
I wouldn't want to be in your place when you draw Your Last Breath!!!
Not too far off!!
Most of the email on this subject is now automatically trashed on arrival, and I don't read it. I do still open and read every letter sent to me, though…and I laugh my wicked laugh, as my regard for religious superstition is confirmed every single time.





Comments
Posted by: Wch | September 29, 2008 12:10 PM
PZ, stop being such a dick, will you?
Posted by: Patricia | September 29, 2008 12:11 PM
The father of affronts. You naughty man!
Posted by: Rick R | September 29, 2008 12:18 PM
"All we ask is that you respect our beliefs and leave us alone."
How much irony can one be expected to take before keeling over dead?
Wait, maybe that's their plan...
Posted by: Jason Failes | September 29, 2008 12:20 PM
Usually I can stop myself laughing out loud at work while perusing the various blogs, but the flustered and clueless complaints of the faithful, "YouTube has to be held accountable and stopped," for example, had hot coffee streaming out my nose.
Don't they understand their humorlessness will only cause a redoubling of heretical hilarity?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | September 29, 2008 12:22 PM
Those letters are a real load of manure, which the truly religious mind appears to be full of. If you have started a trend, it is a good trend that may cause some of the religious to understand that they and their church have no "special" place in the world.
Posted by: Celtic_Evolution | September 29, 2008 12:23 PM
Really? There is seriously such a thing as "Professor of cracker magic"? Wow... the things some people actually get paid for... I'm clearly in the wrong business.
Posted by: Andrew | September 29, 2008 12:23 PM
These people complaining are truly pathetic. We need more acts of "harmful" desecration like this. :P One day religion will be widely regarded as the infection that it is.
Posted by: Holbach | September 29, 2008 12:23 PM
Ah, the poor outraged and offended catholics are continually being ridiculed and made to look like demented morons which they truly are. And good for YouTube for allowing the visual and abject insanity of their gutter religion to be seen by all. Why can't they get their imaginary god to come down and put a stop to this hilarious desecration by smashing all those who have the unmitigated gall to blaspheme this insane nonsense? Where the hell is the mornon's god?
Posted by: archgoon | September 29, 2008 12:24 PM
Hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but, um, didn't PZ desecrate a Koran already?
Posted by: SEF | September 29, 2008 12:25 PM
That's not very open-minded of Judith the hypocritical creationist. She should be advocating (and trying herself, of course) a version more like "gods, if any of you are real, then prove it (and that you're each worthy of being called a god, let alone being worshipped)".Posted by: Leukoctye | September 29, 2008 12:26 PM
Haha. Fatwa envy is so absurd - especially when the Muslim response to the Koran element of CrackerGate is a collective shrug.
Posted by: Blake Stacey | September 29, 2008 12:27 PM
archgoon (#9):
Well, since we haven't heard any complaints from the Muslims, we can't tell for sure.
(Maybe they'd get upset if he had used an Arabic copy — I think they don't care so much about translations.)
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | September 29, 2008 12:28 PM
#2's theory that you'd receieve "sexual favors" for this made my day.
...Because, it'd be obviously bad if you did. Obviously.
Posted by: Candiru | September 29, 2008 12:28 PM
You've got to admit, that second message from John Conwell is at least cogent and well-written, despite being wrong in its sentiments. Much better than I have come to expect from those protesting PZ's actions.
Posted by: LisaJ | September 29, 2008 12:28 PM
Waita go, PZ. Starting a YouTube trend, that's amazing. You should be very proud!
Posted by: Ouchimoo | September 29, 2008 12:29 PM
ROFL!
It spread like wildfire on YouTube! Go PZ let's expand this trend even more! How bout one every street corner nailed to telephone poles. Photograph the cracker getting eaten by animals and post it up in grocery stores everywhere! Look at those silly Catholics squirm!
Who knew war on religion would be so easy?
*I'm not militant, this is just too funny. It's like those bad jokes on Family Guy and elsewhere. It's not funny but for some reason it runs so long it makes you blurt out laughing.
Posted by: archgoon | September 29, 2008 12:29 PM
Also what's up with
>>show some courage and burn a Koran...after all, it's only A BOOK !!
Is he arguing that PZ is a cowardly atheist who wouldn't dare do something that might anger Muslims, or is he making the point that you shouldn't burn books?
Posted by: cicely | September 29, 2008 12:31 PM
"All we ask is that you respect our beliefs and leave us alone."
Lie. All you ask is that your particular beliefs be given special treatment. All those other belief systems, though, are of course fair game.
Posted by: Steve in MI, Sfs/PZM | September 29, 2008 12:31 PM
PZ, what exactly is this new field of Tinhorn Biology that we're now hearing about?
Posted by: BobC | September 29, 2008 12:31 PM
This is what America needs, more blasphemy, and more pointing at Christians and laughing at them.
Posted by: Nicole TWN | September 29, 2008 12:32 PM
Really, PZ, must we persist in all this wanton destruction of our sacred snack foods?
Mmmmmmm, theophagy.
Posted by: noncarborundum | September 29, 2008 12:33 PM
Say, where can I get me one of them there hosts? I feel a desecratin' comin' on!
Posted by: Teh Merkin | September 29, 2008 12:33 PM
Know that to be true, do you now? Fucktard.
Posted by: JStein | September 29, 2008 12:34 PM
Glad to hear you started a craze, PZ.
I hope people send emails to youtube, they deserve our support.
Posted by: SC | September 29, 2008 12:35 PM
How could you?! I have work to do!
Y
That settles it: Catholics are officially the lamest people on the internet.
Msgr. C. Eugene Morris, professor of sacramental theology
BWA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Diello | September 29, 2008 12:35 PM
"Who knows what back-slapping and monetary/sexual favors will come his way as the result of his courageous stand?"
...I'M GOING TO GO DESECRATE SOME WAFERS RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.
Posted by: cicely | September 29, 2008 12:35 PM
He teaches at a seminary, presumably a Catholic one. Cracker magic is their entire business.
Posted by: Dahan | September 29, 2008 12:36 PM
Judith McGuinn stated that,
Yeah, that makes sense. For instance I know a lot of people who hate Fascism, racism, and sexism. People who believe in these things are often treated maliciously, where do I sign up?
Nice use of logic. She's a Doctor?
Posted by: AnthonyK | September 29, 2008 12:37 PM
"Professor of sacramental theology"! Arf,arf. snigger, phwtt! Hey if it's fairy tale academia out there. can I be a professor of practical onanism? I wouldn't even need to get up to do my research...
Posted by: Ploon | September 29, 2008 12:39 PM
Yeah, you are kicking against the GOAD, man! The GOAD, don't you see?! You're kicking it! It's anarchy, man!
Wow, I thought my English vocab was pretty good, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Even with (or maybe in spite of) the bibble verse.
As for the sexual favours, meh. As long as they are not provided by one of your students, who gives a hoot?
Posted by: tsg | September 29, 2008 12:39 PM
It's the former: fatwa-envy. The implication is that Catholics are all peaceful and full of Christian LoveTM (and thus an easy target) and that PZ is too afraid to desecrate a Koran because Mulsims are all fanatical nutjobs that will bomb his house. The really funny part is that he did and they didn't.
Posted by: Ouchimoo | September 29, 2008 12:41 PM
Hmm she says that like it's a bad thing. I'm confused.
XD
Posted by: Dahan | September 29, 2008 12:42 PM
I suddenly feel the need to pull out the "Father Ted" series and watch an episode or two. Feckin' Idjiots!
Posted by: BobC | September 29, 2008 12:42 PM
We do hope they will be as disgusted as we are about a certain Dr. Myers on your faculty who, in the name of the university, has taken it upon himself to totally disrespect our beliefs in the Holy Eucharist of the Catholic Church.
These people are batshit crazy and they want everyone else to respect their insanity. It's definitely time to increase the disrespect. Their priests have abused our nation's children long enough. I'm not talking about their out of control sexual abuse. The worst problem is they lie to children, brainwash them, and make them stupid. Priests and their gullible customers are no better than terrorists. They deserve contempt.
Posted by: karen | September 29, 2008 12:42 PM
PZ
You're getting money and sexual favors for desecrating the cracker? DO tell!!!!!And does the Trophy Wife know about this?
Posted by: AntimatterSpork | September 29, 2008 12:43 PM
Well, PZ?Posted by: Celtic_Evolution | September 29, 2008 12:44 PM
Catholics (and Christians in general) have been the bullies in the schoolyard for a very, very long time. I laugh myself silly every time I hear these idiots whine about being persecuted.
The bully's finally getting his ass kicked. Now we can only hope that what follows, eventually, is what usually follows when a bully gets his comeuppance: he slinks away humiliated and is ne'er heard from again.
Although somehow I doubt it. Sigh.
Posted by: Bob | September 29, 2008 12:44 PM
FAIL.
Know that, do you?
Posted by: MS | September 29, 2008 12:45 PM
As I have said before, when PZ did this I thought it was a little juvenile at first, and not really worthy of him, but when I saw the hysterical overreaction (and the continuing overreaction to the original incident in Florida that got this all started) I began to wonder if we didn't actually need more of such "blasphemies."
It's not like he disrupted a service, or broke into someone else's property, for cryin' out loud. He threw a cracker, probably worth less than a penny, into the garbage while talking a little trash. Some insecurity complex these Catholics must have.
Posted by: tsg | September 29, 2008 12:45 PM
The funny part is that the bully is being tortured by holding his stuffed rabbit hostage.
Posted by: BobC | September 29, 2008 12:46 PM
The brain-dead Catholics should be forced to watch this YouTube video: Priest off
Posted by: Robert | September 29, 2008 12:46 PM
Here's a fun clip of eucharist desecration from The Atheist Experience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG5QXyMGy0U
Posted by: Holbach | September 29, 2008 12:49 PM
Hey, all you blasphemers and sane people who are making my religion and morons the laughing stock on YouTube and elsewhere, I'm going to come and down and kick a lot of asses! Ridicule me, will you? I'm coming right down now to beat the freaking crap out all you rationalists who are making me look like shit! Here I come! I'll be right down! Wait for me, for I am coming, and this time I mean it! I'll be right down, and I'm not kidding this time, just you see if I'm not! Are you waiting? I'll be there, just keep on waiting! Are you still waiting? I'm not bullshitting you this time, for this time I mean it, really I do! god
Posted by: SC | September 29, 2008 12:50 PM
Who knows what back-slapping and monetary/sexual favors will come his way as the result of his courageous stand?
Well, it did follow suspiciously closely on the heels of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJmAsIDh4EQ
Posted by: D Christensen | September 29, 2008 12:53 PM
Oh the sweet irony. I was enjoying a stack of saltine crackers with cheese when my RSS reader popped up this post.
I'm anticipating a weekly youtube series called 'Extreme Blasphemy' in which the guest tries to out do their previous weeks form of desecration.
Posted by: SteveM | September 29, 2008 12:54 PM
Yes, why indeed would he do such a thing? So instead of trying to find out why, just make up something. The "desecration" was a response, not an original provocation. Morons.
Posted by: Trish | September 29, 2008 12:54 PM
That's it. I want my own pet cracker now.
Posted by: Erica | September 29, 2008 12:55 PM
really? They're all bent out of shape over people feeding those Styrofoam like disks to animals and stuff? That's retarded. *takes apart a set a rosary beads to use as ammo in a pellet gun and shoots some Eucharist into itty bitty bits*
*snicker*
Posted by: tsg | September 29, 2008 12:55 PM
That's the point that most of the people that complained about CrackerGate missed: it was deliberate defiance of an unreasonable demand as a protest. I bet most of these people wouldn't have any desire to mistreat a cracker if there weren't such a large contingent of people advocating that nobody be allowed to.
I may never in my life have a desire to say "wimble flimblenosher", but let a bunch of people try to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to and I'll be saying it every chance I get.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT | September 29, 2008 12:55 PM
I hear there are other shocking things on you tube as well.
For instance there is a whole string of "man hit in the testicles by innocent child" videos.
As someone in possession of a set of testicles I find this terribly offensive and am starting a new campaign to stop the display of such bigotry towards my two buddies.
"MY BALLS ARE NOT A SOURCE OF YOUR ENTERTAINMENT"
Posted by: BobC | September 29, 2008 12:56 PM
"YouTube has to be held accountable and stopped," Serafin said from Los Angeles. "If Catholics don't take a stand right now, they can expect such outrages to continue."
This Catholic asshole wants censorship of anyone who doesn't respect his Jebus. Thomas Serafin, president of the International Crusade for Holy Relics, needs to be thrown out of this country or put in prison for treason.
All Catholics are scum. There is no such thing as a moderate Catholic (or any other religious person). They all brainwash their children. That's child abuse and there's nothing moderate about abusing children.
Posted by: Capital Dan | September 29, 2008 12:56 PM
Hot damn! I love me some serious crazy religious hypocrisy on Mondays. Really, PZ. There's simply no better way to start the week.
I think you need to post the picture of the violated cracker again. Only, this time, please highlight the Koran in there. It's like they don't even see it.
Posted by: Isherwood | September 29, 2008 12:56 PM
I just about had a heart attack. I was sure I recognized that last note as the handwriting of my ritualistic fundy grandmother. I began breathing again when I saw the Michigan source. Still....
Posted by: Ivar | September 29, 2008 12:58 PM
To: AnthonyK #29
Re: interest in practical onanism
Wouldn't that be taught in seminary?
Posted by: Christopher | September 29, 2008 12:59 PM
There are two things here I find fascinating: First, the religious folk who are sending you such lovely letters are upset that you have desecrated one of their symbols. I wonder if the venom they spew is, at least in part, frustration over the fact that as Atheists we have no sacred symbols for them to desecrate in turn.
Second, since they rely on evangelism and proselytising, the Catholics have no right to the "live and let live" argument. If they consider it their duty to convert the unwashed masses, I think it is our duty to protect those masses from the Christian agenda.
Posted by: PZ Myers | September 29, 2008 12:59 PM
I'm sorry to break the sad news to you, but I've gotten zero (0) sexual favors for the cracker desecration. Being dashingly handsome and gentlemanly would seem to be a wiser strategy.
I have gotten money out of it, though. Not enough to retire on, or buy a new car, or pay off the national debt, or anything like that, though. Creationism and televangelism are much more profitable, I'm sure.
Posted by: tsg | September 29, 2008 1:00 PM
Broad brush. I know quite a few Catholics who aren't nutjobs.
Posted by: raven | September 29, 2008 1:00 PM
Creepy Death Cultists is right. Haven't they ever heard of freedom of speech? If someone sticking a paperclip into a cracker bothers them, they could just, you know, STOP WATCHING IT.
People have been committing cracker abuse for weeks now. The world hasn't ended, nobody has been turned into a frog, jesus hasn't even called 911, or much of anything. It seems the vast majority of cathoics and people in general don't really know about the plague of crackerists and don't care.
Posted by: Bjoern Brembs | September 29, 2008 1:01 PM
Seeing that the guy in the article (and linked by PZ) calls himself FSMdude, I think the appropriate response by offended Catholics is to create their own YouTube channel and desecrate Spaghetti!
OTH, that would be a fantastic meta-parody! Where's the YouTube channel nailing spaghetti with a nailgun??
Posted by: NathanielT | September 29, 2008 1:02 PM
Interesting how the word "disrespect" is used by practically everyone objecting. I'm wondering what they think this word means. Do they honestly think that "respect" is their due? (If so, do they respect other religions?) Do they conflate "tolerance" with respect? Do they conflate "freedom of religion" with "respect for religion"?
Posted by: tsg | September 29, 2008 1:06 PM
I don't think they can wrap their heads around the idea of nothing being sacred, especially considering the number of "how would you like it if..." complaints I've seen.
Posted by: Klaus | September 29, 2008 1:07 PM
@39 MS: I think this is in the same league like the uproar from muslim countries over the Mohammed cartoons in a danish newspaper. I think the reaction from muslims as well the reaction of catholics justifies the ridicule that caused them (a bit of circular logic ...).
Two differences I see there: We don't have any instable catholic dictatorships on the globe right now (the Pope is quite stable), and PZs act happened on the internet, so it is not as visible as cartoons in a newspaper.
But anyway, this is very funny. And everytime I read "cracker", I read it in a german accent, which makes it even cheesier.
Posted by: CJO | September 29, 2008 1:07 PM
A belief system so maliciously treated must have something of value as its basis.
Hm. So I guess all those teeming millions of devout, adoring Catholics are evidence against its value as a belief system?
Subtle is the lord!
Posted by: noncarborundum | September 29, 2008 1:07 PM
Yeah, destroying a living, breathing creature in protest against a phenomenon that's threatening the existence of that creature's entire species is certainly an apt parallel to the act of poking a hole in a wafer.
At least he expresses his nonsense grammatically.
Posted by: cactusren | September 29, 2008 1:08 PM
What part of the name "YouTube" do these people not understand? The whole point is that anyone (that is, YOU) can post any video they want. Sure, I sometimes get offended when religious people spout their ridiculous ideas on YouTube, but I just laugh and move on. They have every right to proclaim their craziness to everyone on the internet. And atheists should have the right to point out that craziness.
Posted by: SteveM | September 29, 2008 1:08 PM
You know, everytime the page from the Koran that was trashed is brought up, some one will retort that only Arabic Korans are sacred. Somehow, I think it is only Catholics who are saying this. I would think a Muslim saying this would state his faith in Islam. I don't think there has been a single comment about the desecration along the lines of "I'm a muslim and the english translation of of the Koran doesn't count, but if it had been arabic I would be very angry".
I once asked a muslim friend about that whole "do not translate the Koran" thing. He kind of laughed that the "official" Arabic of the Koran is prettty much a dead language (or actually more like an artificial language) that no one understands anymore. That all Korans are essentially translations into modern Arabic and so that prohibition is really meaningless. Not saying that is the "official" position of Islam, but that's what he told me.
Posted by: Holbach | September 29, 2008 1:08 PM
Hey YouTube! I'm coming down and create a gigantic tube and shove you and all your contributors and those rationalists on Pharyngula down the freaking thing and make you come out in another universe! Make fun of me and my creations eh? I'm still coming down as I promised, so you better wait for me so I can beat the crap out of the whole bunch of you. Those catholics may not be able to do anything but rant at you, but I'll be down to give you what for! Better be prepared, for I am coming, no doubt about it and this time I am serious, and you'll think the Rapture is kid's play when I'm through with you! Think I'm kidding, eh? This time I really mean it, to prove to my faithful that I'm not bullshitting this time. Are you still waiting? Wait for me! god.
Posted by: tsg | September 29, 2008 1:09 PM
They think it means "freedom of religion for me and no one else."
Posted by: Tom P. | September 29, 2008 1:09 PM
I'm just asking but... how do they know that any of those YouTube videos actually involve a consecrated host? I am fairly certain that neither a professor of sacramental theology nor the president of the International Crusade for Holy Relics would be able to pick out the consecrated hosts from a pile of unconsecrated ones. And it is fairly easy to get unconsecrated hosts. You can even buy them over the internet from the same companies that supply churches. or you can make your own. It's not like they are made from a secret recipe. And it's not desecration even for a Catholic to sit in front of a football game and chomp on a bag of unconsecrated hosts with onion dip and then toss the rest in the garbage when they are done. In fact, how does anyone know that PZ actually used a consecrated host? How does PZ know that the host he used was consecrated? Basically, everyone is saying that it was a consecrated host because PZ says it was. "See this piece of toilet paper? It's actually a consecrated host and I'm going to wipe my as with it." Why do people believe PZ and not me? Just because the cracker that PZ used looked like a consecrated host? So what?
Posted by: Jim | September 29, 2008 1:10 PM
I've been committing blasphemy on a regular basis for years now, and have yet to receive a single sexual favor in return...what am I doing wrong?
Posted by: Quiet Desperation | September 29, 2008 1:12 PM
You *really* want to desecrate one?
Cover it with that spray cheese goo from a can. That stuff is so evil I wouldn't even eat it back in college.
I hear that'll get you teleported *instantly* to the inner circle of Hell, nestled right in between Satan's butt cheeks. Not even the TARDIS could reach you.
Seriously, what's up with that cheese in a can? Is it so hard to get a nice hunk of Wisconsin extra sharp cheddar and cut off little slices? They even have special tools just for slicing cheese to make it easy.
Posted by: SC | September 29, 2008 1:14 PM
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No further comment necessary.
Posted by: Karey | September 29, 2008 1:14 PM
I do love this cracker business, its one of PZ's more brilliant contributions to society. You can be as catholic as you want but channeling everything that you feel is sacred onto a cracker is lunacy. I've always had this same problem with people who get so upset about flag burning. The flag is supposed to be a symbol of our country's freedom or something, just a symbol, thats all. If it gets destroyed, you get another one. Its not a big deal. Our country's freedom isn't actually located in the flag itself you know. Trying to force everyone else to show reverence to an object only you care about is really the last straw.
Posted by: Reid | September 29, 2008 1:15 PM
"You kick against the goad, and the GOAD will triumph"
All i could think of after reading this is the MC5
"Brothers and sisters, I want to see your hands up there! I want everybody to kick up some noise! I want to hear see some revolution out there! ... Brothers and sisters, the time has come for each and every one of you to decide whether you are going to be the problem or you are going to be the solution ... Brothers, it's time to testify! ... Kick out the GOADS motherfuckers!"
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