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Category: Science
Posted on: September 10, 2008 8:02 AM, by PZ Myers
I thought so. You should know that they have flipped the switch on the Large Hadron Collider, and no disasters yet. Of course, all they've done so far is whirl around in circles at near the speed of light, with no big high-energy collisions yet … the gang at Cosmic Variance have been live-blogging the LHC tests, so watch that to see what's new.
Comments
Posted by: Swiftsure | September 10, 2008 8:10 AM
Will the LHC prove the existence of God? Or will it answer the biggest mystery of all - is it really turtles all the way down?
Posted by: llewelly | September 10, 2008 8:21 AM
It should be obvious that we only think the world hasn't ended.
In fact the LHC has transformed us all into strangelets - and this new, strangelet world is NOTHING LIKE the world we lived in less than 24 hours ago.
Posted by: TSC | September 10, 2008 8:24 AM
My Hadron is rising.
Posted by: Holbach | September 10, 2008 8:29 AM
Ah crap, I thought we would be looking at the Universe from the edge of a black hole! I hate when some reports refer to finding the "god" particle. Freaking religion has to render everything to a state of dementia.
Posted by: Tony Lloyd | September 10, 2008 8:32 AM
I got sent a lovely link for checking up on this:
http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
Posted by: Geek Extraordinaire | September 10, 2008 8:35 AM
Tabloid media has been especially irresponsible yesterday and today, with articles titled "The world is coming to an end" and so on, describing how "experts" have calculated that black holes of such immense mass will be created that the entire Earth will be engulfed. Of course, none of the scientists who know anything about this think this will happen. But, the evening press is what it is, at least in my country. Sad, really.
That said, I'm extremely excited about the results that may come from the LHC.
Posted by: Zeno | September 10, 2008 8:37 AM
Obviously we have been saved by the power of intercessory prayer, faithful people on their knees having preserved us from destruction by scientists who refuse to acknowledge that there are some things man was not meant to know. [Link]
Posted by: Jared | September 10, 2008 8:39 AM
Yes, the Sun no longer rises, instead, the Earth is spheroid and spins along a central axis the solar system central core where an extremely large ball of fusing atoms is located providing light to one half of the planet....
Posted by: notacrook | September 10, 2008 8:39 AM
There is a website monitoring the situation. It will keep you up to date as to whether the planet has been destroyed by the LHC.
http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
Notacrook
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT | September 10, 2008 8:44 AM
that was good for a nice laugh this morning.
thanks
Posted by: clinteas | September 10, 2008 8:44 AM
Surely god would prevent any real dramas happening to his finest creation?
Wouldnt he intervene if he realized that chimps-with-brains were about to get his masterpiece swallowed in some black hole?
And if the LHC brings on the Rapture,so what?Wouldnt that make a billion death cultists happy? Who are those people suing CERN i wonder,cant be Christians !
Oh,and Im so going to pinch the Bible in my hotel room lol,for future references !
Posted by: Holbach | September 10, 2008 8:45 AM
Zeno @ 7
So the "god" particle was found, with or without prayer?
Posted by: Andrés Diplotti | September 10, 2008 8:47 AM
Media (at least Argentine media) are calling the LHC "God's machine". Ugh.
Posted by: negentropyeater | September 10, 2008 8:47 AM
Swiftsure
Nope, but if you'd like to understand better what it might find, check:
http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/08/04/what-will-the-lhc-find/
Posted by: Sercorer | September 10, 2008 8:47 AM
The end of the world is nigh!
Relatively speaking of course. ;-)
Posted by: Timothy Wood | September 10, 2008 8:58 AM
I don't think the link is working. I'm using Google Chrome so that might be the problem... but I dunno.
Posted by: Candy | September 10, 2008 8:59 AM
Dang it! I was hoping it would bring on Teh Rapture and suck all the wingnuts and ID loonies into another dimension. They'd like that, and so would I.
But perhaps . . .perhaps . . . the Big Hadron had something to do with our local school board elections yesterday, when three stealth wingnuts whose candidacy was being supported by a troublemaker on the school board were soundly defeated. People came out in droves, as droves is defined in school board election terms, anyway. (At least one of the stealth bombers actually had his or her own kids enrolled in private school, which really tipped their hand and pissed people off.) Or perhaps it influenced Al Franken's victory! And now its otherworldly influence of peace and prosperity will send McSame/McWorse crashing down to defeat and ignominy come November!
/dream sequence
I wish. But I'll happily settle for all the interesting sciencey stuff to come. I've been fascinated by this from the start, although I'm certainly no scientist.
Posted by: Kel | September 10, 2008 9:01 AM
I've spent the last week trying to explain to others how it's safe. It's amazing that people who have no knowledge of physics are getting worked up because people who have a tiny bit of knowledge of physics are claiming to know better than the experts in physics.
Excited to see the results, but getting a beam around it is still a great achievement in itself. Go science!
Posted by: Snitzels | September 10, 2008 9:03 AM
#9 -- That made my morning!
Posted by: Richard Harris | September 10, 2008 9:05 AM
Some may call it, (the Higg's Boson), the god particle, but I bet, if it shows up, it won't be anything to do with that fecker Jehovah.
Posted by: Snitzels | September 10, 2008 9:07 AM
Kel, this was the best layperson description I've found so far:
Now if only personal belief could be trumped by expert knowledge and opinion... Here's to hoping.
Posted by: Maria | September 10, 2008 9:08 AM
As usual, today's XKCD is relevant...
Turn-On
Posted by: Mr P | September 10, 2008 9:08 AM
What really has the fundies upset about the LHC is that if a black hole swallows the earth and we all die then biblical prophesy did not come true and there is no god.
Posted by: maureen | September 10, 2008 9:09 AM
BBC Radio 4 has been doing exceptionally well on this. Programmes in the lead-up, special programmes all day today - sound science and a sense of celebration, live updates and, even, Prof Higgs himself on the lunchtime news.
Just google "bbc.co.uk/bigbang"
Posted by: hipparchia | September 10, 2008 9:10 AM
OK, so, the real threat of this donut-shaped thingy is that all that quantum uncertainty may lead to switching Barrack Obama's brain with that of Bristol Palin's unborn baby.
Which is as probable as the world ending because of a giant European underground donut.
Oh what a good day for science.
Posted by: Trish | September 10, 2008 9:11 AM
I'm ticked. There's only been one tiny beep of this on the news today.
I only have a tiny bit of knowledge of physics and I claim nothing but a bit of excitement and wonder at what they might learn.
Posted by: Ametanohtos | September 10, 2008 9:12 AM
http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
lol
lol
lol
Posted by: GentlePath | September 10, 2008 9:14 AM
This experiement - will it be easier now for us to vibrate to a higher level of consciousness? Or travel through alternate realities to other universes? Actually that's probably how homeopathy works. The molecules travel through alternate universes (on a string, through the quantum foam) and that's how they can remember themselves.
And if those scientists bring on the rapture, will our fillings and artificial knees still get left behind?
Or perhaps we might start ... teaching freakin critical thinking skills. You don't have to know much about physics to know that the world isn't going to end because of this experiment. Honestly. I don't know jack shit about physics but I can type and I've heard of google.
It pisses me off. There's no excuse for being this dumb. "Voodoo Science" ought to be required reading for every high school student in the US.
Posted by: MissPrism | September 10, 2008 9:16 AM
The Large Hadron Collider
Makes theoretical physics applieder.
It's a machine for doing proton-smashing experiments at near light speed on an unprecedented scale in,
And almost infinitely safer than handing control of the US nuclear arsenal to John McCain and Sarah Palin.
(Eat your heart out, Ogden Nash.)
Posted by: Wowbagger | September 10, 2008 9:19 AM
I'll only be worried if they start showing footage of a crazy-looking scientist dude - wild, Einstein hair and shabby lab-coat - rubbing his hands together and shouting, 'Fools! I'll destroy them all!'
Posted by: tsg | September 10, 2008 9:19 AM
Yes. The old universe didn't have a running LHC in it.
And it is Tuesday.
Posted by: MissPrism | September 10, 2008 9:27 AM
Wowbagger, don't be silly. We only do that crazy hair and shouting thing when we get back uncomplimentary referees' reports.
Posted by: Nick Gotts | September 10, 2008 9:27 AM
Surely god would prevent any real dramas happening to his finest creation?
Wouldnt he intervene if he realized that chimps-with-brains were about to get his masterpiece swallowed in some black hole?
Nah, he's just got bored, and having the universe destroy itself from within is so much more artistic than just clicking "exit"!
Posted by: TomJoe | September 10, 2008 9:28 AM
According to the anti-LHC folks, it can take up to 4 years for the mBH's (micro Black Holes) to destroy the Earth. This is only the beginning.
Posted by: amphiox | September 10, 2008 9:30 AM
#31
Are we absolutely, absolutely sure that the old universe didn't have a running LHC somewhere in it?
Not on earth, of course, but. . . .
Posted by: Blondin | September 10, 2008 9:34 AM
However, some scientists did report sensing "a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced".
Posted by: Ranson | September 10, 2008 9:37 AM
That website reminds me of the old "Ways to destroy the world" page. Thye had a little widget you could put on a website to show you the world's status. If it was green, the world still existed. Red, and the world had been destroyed. It was rather handy when dealing with bouts of existential angst.
Posted by: Philippe | September 10, 2008 9:37 AM
Maria@#22: xkcd is not only relevant, it's sublime!!!!
The layering of geeky goodness just about blew me away.
"...charming stranger."
"Top or bottom."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarks#Properties
For those not familiar with particle physics, check the Name column...
Posted by: Moggie | September 10, 2008 9:38 AM
#34:
And I've seen this tied in with the Mayan calendar world-ends-in-2012 woo. *Facepalm*
Posted by: tsg | September 10, 2008 9:50 AM
It couldn't be a new universe if there was, could there? Didn't think so....
Posted by: ali | September 10, 2008 9:50 AM
#39
They are hedging their bets. The latest I heard was up to 500 years.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | September 10, 2008 9:51 AM
Hey! You're talking about scooping my thesis!!!1!
Right. And Germany's foremost anti-LHC loon (...who simply doesn't accept the existence of Hawking radiation, among many other things... he has his own physics) has said 50 years. In other words, he can keep saying he's right for the rest of his life.
And then he changed his mind and said 500 years.
Whatever. We get bombarded with even faster cosmic rays all the time.
Posted by: jim | September 10, 2008 9:53 AM
@MissPrism (#29) Surely "Edmund Clerihew Bentley"?
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | September 10, 2008 9:54 AM
Well, if McPain get elected (one way or another), it might. As an October Surprise.
Posted by: Lilly de Lure | September 10, 2008 9:56 AM
Sercorer said:
What, again?
Posted by: Naked Bunny with a Whip | September 10, 2008 9:59 AM
Oh, crap. I guess I shoulda been using "protection" after all last night.
Posted by: May West | September 10, 2008 10:01 AM
Well, for some people the world has ended...
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/10end.htm
Posted by: Naked Bunny with a Whip | September 10, 2008 10:01 AM
I'm joking, of course. My girlfriend said that the LHC's powerful magnetic fields were giving her a headache. Damn, she's sensitive. :-\
Posted by: Sili | September 10, 2008 10:10 AM
Wednesday.
Bad news, people.
Posted by: Lilly de Lure | September 10, 2008 10:12 AM
Sili #49
Loved it - thanks for sharing!
Posted by: poke | September 10, 2008 10:17 AM
I'm looking forward to finding evidence for the Higgs boson and supersymmetry so physicists can stop just assuming they're both true. Then their field can finally be as objective and rigorous as biology!
Posted by: llewelly | September 10, 2008 10:24 AM
Don't forget to view the html source on that page. Half the humor is in the comments, and the other half in the code.Posted by: Richard Harris | September 10, 2008 10:36 AM
Jim @ # 43
For rhyme that's woefully lacking in meter,
you find it hard to get somethin' that'd beat a
bit of good old McGonagall
(he of the Bridge o'er the Silvery Tay)
when the universe, life, & everything could become feck all,
when they smash those hadron beams any day.
Posted by: Quiet_Desperation | September 10, 2008 10:38 AM
Maybe the world did end, and the afterlife is *exactly* the same as the previous world.
Geez, that's a depressing thought. :-(
Posted by: SteveM | September 10, 2008 10:39 AM
Actually, I think http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
is the site with the funny html, not the one you posted.
Posted by: Ploon | September 10, 2008 10:40 AM
Re the "God particle": I've heard it told that the physicist who theorised it originally called it "that goddamned particle!", but in the popular media it was shortened.
Posted by: AJ Milne | September 10, 2008 10:53 AM
Maybe the world did end...
Well, I have to say, as apocalypses go, that was pretty underwhelming. Where were the rivers of blood, the magma blasting out of gaping chasms into the air and raining down, setting the city on fire? Where were the winged demons wheeling through the sky? And what about the panic in the streets? And the looting? I was told there'd be looting. Woulda been handy, too... I coulda used a new espresso maker.
It's pathetic, really. Poor craftsmanship, that's all this is. No one's got pride in their work anymore.
Posted by: SteveM | September 10, 2008 11:03 AM
Maybe the world did end, and the afterlife is *exactly* the same as the previous world.
According to Laurie Anderson, "Heaven is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much, better." So, is everything much much better? Drat.
Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM | September 10, 2008 11:15 AM
The switch was thown in Switzerland
And protons zoomed around a bend--
Across the world, we clasped our hands
And waited for the world to end.
The scientists at Fermilab
Were hoping there was much to learn--
But true believers everywhere
Were voicing their concern with CERN
The particles accelerate:
When protons smash--what happens then?
Did CERN just push the "reset" switch,
To start the cosmos up again?
The scientists themselves do not,
For certain, know what happens next--
But there are some who claim the truth,
As written in their Holy Text:
The Lord will come--the end is nigh
The saved will fly to Jesus' side
The sinners will be cast to Hell
So let the particles collide!
(Of course, predictions such as this
Have happened many times before,
And every time--oh, gee, they're wrong.
Congratulations; wrong once more.)
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2008/09/end-of-world-and-i-feel-fine.html
Posted by: John C. Randolph | September 10, 2008 11:16 AM
And it is Tuesday.
tsg,
Something must have happened to breach between potential worlds, because in my world September 10, 2008 is a Wednesday.
Ao, all that time, money, and effort, and all we get is minor glitch in the calendar?
What a let-down.
-jcr
Posted by: Maria | September 10, 2008 11:17 AM
Steve M @ #55: Both have similarly funny HTML codes.
Posted by: Masks of Eris | September 10, 2008 11:24 AM
"God particle" my foot. It's just another nail-like no-god particle in the coffin of various religious worldviews.
I take LHC over JHC any day.
Posted by: Patricia | September 10, 2008 11:31 AM
Excellent catch John!
Something is screwy here. I changed keyboards thinking it was me. There's also typo's all over the threads.
There is a great disturbance in the farce, it's Holbach.
Ha, ha, ha!!!! Never to early to be giddy. ;o)
Posted by: Dianne | September 10, 2008 11:32 AM
Screw the world. Who cares if the world ends or not. The real question is IS THERE A HIGGS BOSON OR ISN'T THERE? I'm kind of hoping it doesn't exist and the standard model is just wrong, wrong, wrong. But I've always been kind of grumpy about physics.
Posted by: spyderkl | September 10, 2008 11:35 AM
#55: They're both pretty funny, but you have to scroll down a bit to see the joke on the one.
#5, #9: You brightened up an otherwise awful morning. Thank you.
I have no clue about the actual science involved, but I can't wait to see what they find either.
Posted by: MikeM | September 10, 2008 11:42 AM
I read in a blog yesterday where someone had misspelled "Hadron", and that this was the "Large Hardon Collider".
That really changes the direction of this experiment, I figure.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT | September 10, 2008 11:44 AM
You mean this?
Posted by: mayhempix | September 10, 2008 11:48 AM
Damn! And I was hoping I wouldn't have to work today.
Why won't a black materialize when you really need one?
Posted by: Philippe | September 10, 2008 11:48 AM
Cuttlefish, Ô Great Cuttlefish!
I am once again awed by your rhyme.
Every now and then, I despair about Humanity's future, and then I see/hear/read something that makes me believe that all is not lost.
PS: AJMilne@#57 was pretty good too.
Posted by: mayhempix | September 10, 2008 11:50 AM
#68 ...black HOLE materialize...
Posted by: Patricia | September 10, 2008 11:54 AM
There it goes again!
to instead of too.
You may get to drop that KOT Chimpy. We might have a 'hant'.
Posted by: Tony Popple | September 10, 2008 11:54 AM
The collisions haven't started yet.
There is still time to start selling "mini-black hole" insurance. It would be the perfect scam. If nothing happans we make tons of money. If the LHC produces stranglets and black holes, we can tie everything up in litigation until the end of the world.
Posted by: Paul Burnett | September 10, 2008 11:54 AM
Take a look at today's Google opening screen illustration of the LHC. http://www.google.com
Posted by: MikeM | September 10, 2008 11:58 AM
Rev @67, I meant this:
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/the-world-will-not-end-this-week/#comments
(Sam Bandak's comment, pretty near the top, where he misses several orders of magnitude between 1,000 and 1 billion.)
Posted by: James F | September 10, 2008 12:04 PM
Before you get too complacent, Nostradamus apparently phrophesied a CERN black hole. We're clearly doomed.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | September 10, 2008 12:05 PM
Hawkings hopes they don't find the Higgs.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/09/09/hawking-higgs-particle.html
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | September 10, 2008 12:07 PM
Hawking, not Hawkings. DOH!
Posted by: SteveM | September 10, 2008 12:14 PM
Hawkings hopes they don't find the Higgs.
I get the impression that he believes they will, but hopes they won't, because not finding it will be far more interesting. He tends to bet against himself, just to encourage discovery.
Posted by: ChrisTopher guerra | September 10, 2008 12:28 PM
*listens too "black hole sun" by soundgarden*
maybe if we are lucky the LHC causes a black hole that sucks up god and all of his meathead followers.......
bahahha
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | September 10, 2008 12:44 PM
That was the feeling I got. He bet a smallish amount of money.Posted by: Spero Melior | September 10, 2008 12:47 PM
The world will end not with a bang, but with a whimper.
I just thought of that myself. No need to google it, just trust me.
Posted by: jim | September 10, 2008 12:56 PM
A friend of yours comments on the Great On-Turning, PZ.
Posted by: tsg | September 10, 2008 1:01 PM
In the New UniverseTM, all the clocks are wrong.
Posted by: poke | September 10, 2008 1:14 PM
Has the BBC's absolutely vomit-inducing coverage been mentioned yet?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7607531.stm
I'm not sure why they did such a bizarre "analysis." It's so needlessly heavy on the religion-angle I don't know what to make of it. I might file a complaint.
Posted by: Holbach | September 10, 2008 1:43 PM
Patricia @ 63 and 71
It's me! I'm hovering at the event horizon of the black hole and directing all sorts of cosmic phenomena at the earth, getting the creotards to believe it's their phony god coming with the crap Rapture! I wish I could have the black hole suck the whole demented shit pile of them down a worm hole and spit them out in another dimension! "god" particle: tell the black hole this bullshit and it will squeeze you down to a pinpoint to let you know what it "thinks" of that crap idea!
Posted by: Patricia | September 10, 2008 1:59 PM
Ha, ha! I knew it was you stomping the farce somewhere.
My day is made. The record shop called to let me know two Leon Redbone CD's came in for me. The Dan Barker book is in too. Hopefully it'll be better than the last trash I bought.
Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 1:59 PM
First beam is a success! woohoo!
We converted our high school into a model of the LHC to mark the event.
http://www.laboutloud.com/blog/2008/09/why-i-converted-my-school-into-a-particle-accelerator/
Posted by: Katharine | September 10, 2008 2:00 PM
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here, huge success
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction
Large Hadron Collider!
We do what we must because we can
For the good of all of us
Except for all the fundies
Will you all stop whining, there has been no mistake
Now the sun is shining, why don't you have some cake
And our science gets done by a really big gun
And you people are all still alive
Don't be fucking angry
We're being so sincere right now
Even though some of you said you'd kill us
Nearly sued us to pieces
And wanted to throw us in a fire
Your stupid burned, it hurt because
We're doing this for your good
Now these particle trails make a beautiful line
And all of the details show our results in due time
So we're glad we won't burn
Think of all the things we'll learn
And believe us, you'll still be alive
So stop all your bitching
If you prefer to, stay inside
Maybe you can go and drink some Kool-Aid
Buy some from the fundies
That wasn't a joke now, by the way
Anyway, this proton's great
It's so accelerated
Look at us still talking when there's science to do
When I look out there it makes us glad we're not you
We've experiments to run
There is research to be done
And you fundies'll still be alive
Though it sucks that you're all still alive
So are you glad that you're all still alive
So shut up because you're still alive
Still alive
Still alive
Posted by: dubiquiabs | September 10, 2008 2:12 PM
"When Prophecy Fails"....
ISBN-10: 0061311324
ISBN-13: 978-0061311321
Posted by: Holbach | September 10, 2008 2:25 PM
Katherine @ 88
Has a mass of bosons bombarded your brain into insanity?
Posted by: Katharine | September 10, 2008 2:28 PM
No, a mass of baryons might have in the form of caffeine.
Posted by: Rey Fox | September 10, 2008 2:39 PM
And people wonder why scientists are so grumpy. The only way they can get people to notice them is to threaten to destroy the Earth.
"And it is Tuesday."
Oh fuck on a rope. The LHC sucked us all into a time vortex where it is eternally Tuesday. Somebody shoot me.
Posted by: rpenner | September 10, 2008 2:46 PM
The anti-LHC forces confuse the most accepted model for black holes (with Hawking radiation and no expectation of formation at the LHC) with physically modeled 2 TeV black holes which have a natural expectation of Hawking radiation with a child's toy model of 2 TeV black holes which have a natural expectation of electric charge (in the absence of Hawking radiation) with the bugaboo of 2 TeV uncharged black holes (which did require a new paper to refute). Since the loss of charge mechanism is related to the Hawking radiation, the burden of proof was on the anti-LHC forces to present a physical model where the expectation of neutral, quiet, 2 TeV black holes are possible. A burden they never accepted because they aren't physicsists of any description but mere concern trolls.
They have not done this and the 2008 Giddings & Magano paper removed such bugaboos from the table.
http://lsag.web.cern.ch/lsag/CERN-PH-TH_2008-025.pdf
This aphysical claptrap pushed on the popular media by concern trolls has already cost human life. End it now, Luddite crackpots.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/
Posted by: Darth Wader | September 10, 2008 3:02 PM
Do biologist get experiment envy? Physicists get the LHC, astronomers get the Hubble, roboticists get robots. Biologist get dead animals in jars. No respect I tell ya.
Posted by: Holbach | September 10, 2008 3:15 PM
Darth Wader @ 94
All better than being a creotard and having a ghost in the head.
Posted by: Patricia | September 10, 2008 3:27 PM
Woo-Hooo!
End it now, Luddite crackpots.
Yeah! That's tellin' em. I'm sooo stealing that for a t-shirt.
Posted by: Sili | September 10, 2008 3:38 PM
So ... if the Large Hadron Collider looks for the Higgs boson, does the Large Hardon Collider look for the Higgs Bosom?
And if it does, how does mrs Higgs feel about that?
Posted by: Holbach | September 10, 2008 3:38 PM
Patricia @ 86
Good company with Leon Redbone! Sure hope the Dan Barker book doesn't sour into horse's apples also! Keep an eye on Katherine; she's getting a little too close to the Large Hadron Collider and is getting frisky with more garbage to throw at us.
Posted by: negentropyeater | September 10, 2008 3:44 PM
Poke #84,
well, it's the BBC, so they have 2 versions with the same title, same date :
"'Big Bang' experiment starts well"
Version 1 for the reliotards, where they say nothing interesting (the one you've linked to)
Version 2 for those who would like to actually learn something
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7604293.stm