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It just gets better and better

The skirmish over Christmas in Washington state just gets funnier every day.

Now someone wants to put up a Festivus pole in the capitol. That’s hilarious enough, but it gets better.

The Westboro Baptist Church has demanded to be allowed to put up a sign that says, “Santa Claus will take you to Hell”. I never thought I’d laugh at Fred Phelps and his gang of hateful loonies, but there you go.

We aren’t done yet! Bill Donohue of the Catholic League has to butt in and bray, too.

Gov. Gregoire is responsible for this mess. Having first acceded to the requests of atheists to attack Christmas, she is now confronted with the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church, a viciously anti-American, anti-Catholic and anti-gay group. There is a way to deal with this situation in a manner that is legally acceptable and morally defensible, but neither the Washington governor, nor her lawyers, have figured it out.

I know, I know! How about keeping the government entirely secular, throwing all the Christmas kitsch out of the capitol, and admitting that government has no business promoting any religious beliefs at all? That would be my solution. I think it’s clear by now that in a country with a crazy plurality of religious ideas, each one demanding equal recognition, the only fair decision is no recognition at all.

Unfortunately, Bully Donohue can’t figure that out. His solution is some pointless shuffling of signage around to keep the atheists separate from the nativity scene.

Comments

  1. #1 Donnie B.
    December 11, 2008

    Gee, you’d think Donohue would be all for the WBC’s attitude on gays.

  2. #2 Another Lost Soul
    December 11, 2008

    “…a viciously anti-American, anti-Catholic, and anti-gay group.”

    Umm…It’s kinda ironic that Bill Donohue would add in that “anti-gay” part. I’d have thought he’d be all for that.

  3. #3 Hank Fox
    December 11, 2008

    …Westboro Baptist Church, a viciously anti-American, anti-Catholic and anti-gay group.

    Wait, Donohue cares that people are viciously anti-gay?

  4. #4 Another Lost Soul
    December 11, 2008

    It seems that you and I are on the same wavelength, Donnie B. ^_^

  5. #5 Hank Fox
    December 11, 2008

    Is there an echo echo echo in here here here?

  6. #6 blueelm
    December 11, 2008

    I think it would be funny to put up a sign with Madison’s quote, “practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both.”

  7. #7 Another Lost Soul
    December 11, 2008

    I actually think that the song that goes with the “Santa Claus will take you to Hell” sign is pretty damn funny. You should click on the link that PZ provided if you’re looking for laughs, heh.

  8. #8 alex
    December 11, 2008

    to be fair, WBC is pretty much anti-anything. Donohue just focused on two antis that rile him up and then one extra anti to distract away from his own rightwingery.

  9. #9 Ann
    December 11, 2008

    I never thought I’d be glad for the appearance of Fred Phelps in this ridiculous kerfuffle, but I have high hopes that this will push the entire issue towards reason and secularism in our government buildings.

  10. #10 I am so wise
    December 11, 2008

    ” There is a way to deal with this situation in a manner that is legally acceptable and morally defensible”

    Then tell us Bill.

  11. #11 Eshto
    December 11, 2008

    “Westboro Baptist Church, a viciously anti-American, anti-Catholic and anti-gay group”

    As opposed to Donohue’s own viciously anti-American, anti-gay, anti-every-other-religion-other-than-Catholicism group?

  12. #12 Kel
    December 11, 2008

    Case in point of exactly why the state shouldn’t deal in religion.

  13. #13 chancelikely
    December 11, 2008

    What, no Saturnalia? Sol Invictus? Bogartmas? Castanedamas?

    And now I want to see a sign up saying “Happy War On Christmas, From All Of Us At Fox News”

  14. #14 Twin-Skies
    December 11, 2008

    With the kind of stance US Catholics has shown against gays, I’m surprised that Donohue decided to speak out against WBC.

    Still, why not let WBC post their sign too? It’ll have the shock effect that’s needed to convince the people.

  15. #15 uknesvuinng
    December 11, 2008

    I’m currently trying to talk one friend in that area into offering a Hogswatch display. If Washington state is going to be inclusive, it seems only fair.

  16. #16 Another Lost Soul
    December 11, 2008

    A quote from the page PZ provided covering the Santa sign:

    “The state is also reviewing requests for a display depicting “The Spaghetti Monster,” a fictional figure often cited in philosophical debates about the existence of God…”

    WIN!!!

  17. #17 ryanm
    December 11, 2008

    “Santa Claus will take you to Hell.”

    I never thought I’d want a t-shirt with a WBC slogan on it, but I’m ordering one ASAP.

  18. #18 druidbros
    December 11, 2008

    Oh this is Hi-larious. I hope all different gruops try and put something up. The more the better then they will kick everything out and just have nothing there. You cant make this stuff up.

  19. #19 Wowbagger
    December 11, 2008

    Seriously, a gay activism group has to contact Donohue with an open letter inviting him and the Catholic League to unite and join forces with them to combat the Westboro people because of their ‘shared interests’.

    No doubt I’d be able to sense the resulting apoplexy here in Australia.

  20. #20 John C. Randolph
    December 11, 2008

    Fred Phelps knows all about hell. He lives in it with his family.

    Those poor kids.

    -jcr

  21. #21 Feynmaniac
    December 11, 2008

    Considering it’s the Westboro Baptist Church “Santa Claus will take you to Hell” is actually kinda tame. You’d expect something like “Christmas is for faggots” or “Santa is a vampire”.

  22. #22 BobC
    December 11, 2008

    It should be obvious to everyone except Christian theocrats this ridiculous religious conflict is why our wall of separation must be respected. The theocrats don’t understand, but these same people believe a fairy created creatures out of nothing, so I’m not surprised.

  23. #23 Rick R
    December 11, 2008

    This is awesome! Here’s hoping the kerfluffle keeps getting stupider and louder to the point where the Gov. ends up chucking the whole ridiculous lot of symbols out onto the sidewalk and the country finally gets the fucking message.

  24. #24 IST
    December 11, 2008

    If I didn’t know better, I’d suspect the Phelps was a satire… by all means it should be allowed if the governor doesn’t decide to just dump the whole mess and disallow it all. In fact, it might be good for Christians to see that message prominently displayed, with equal sized lettering for the sponsor.

  25. #25 Skepticat
    December 11, 2008

    I want to put up a Cheezburgr display for Ceiling Cat! I can haz dizplay!

  26. #26 andyo
    December 11, 2008

    Festivus for the rest of us!

    This is just amazing. Great change in tactics, instead of complaining, inundate government with other ridiculous crap. Who can tell which one of those is purposely ridiculous anyway? I suspect the governor is laughing her ass off.

  27. #27 Brock
    December 11, 2008

    The Satanists, Cult of Cthulhu folks, and the Discordians need to jump on this decorating thing before they take it away. The capitol sure would look good with goat heads, octopi, evil runes, and… whatever tinsel covered feces the Discordians come up with.

  28. #28 Sastra
    December 11, 2008

    If people in Washington State don’t like the sign from the Westboro Baptist Church, they at least have the option of turning towards the FFRF’s rebuttal, and gaining some welcome relief and a more positive outlook. All of a sudden, that last sentence about “hardening hearts and enslaving minds” doesn’t look so off-the-wall, does it?

  29. #29 Feynmaniac
    December 11, 2008

    How about keeping the government entirely secular, throwing all the Christmas kitsch out of the capitol, and admitting that government has no business promoting any religious beliefs at all? That would be my solution.

    I still say having a holy war at the capitol with every religion using their display as a weapon would be the best solution.

    (For those lacking humour this isn’t meant to be taken literally)

  30. #30 Ron Sullivan
    December 11, 2008

    I suppose countering Phelps with a sign saying “There IS no Santa Claus!” would be beyond the pale.

  31. #31 cpsmith
    December 11, 2008

    This has made my week. I wish I could go see this beautiful spectacle. I know most people here are in favour of being rid of all the religious tomfoolery, but I kind of like it. It is absolutely rediculous, but perhaps that is a good thing. I think people aught to see symbols of their belief set up next to everyone elses. It might give them a little perspective. And for the rest of us it is just entertainment to brighten our day.

  32. #32 negentropyeater
    December 11, 2008

    admitting that government has no business promoting any religious beliefs at all

    That’s been the law in France since 1905. The state cannot recognize religion. Simple. That’s the only way to separate church and state that works. The rest is wishful thinking.
    Maybe it’s time to revise the establishment clause of the 1st ammendment which is so evidently open to mal interpretation and confusion, it hurts.
    The state cannot respect the establisment of religion is wishy washy and in practice means the state respects whatever religion is already established. On the other hand if the state can’t recognize religion, that’s a clear wall of separation,in practice it means the state is in control, and not the other way round.

  33. #33 Jadehawk
    December 11, 2008

    awesome. this is EXACTLY the way to fight this kind of insanity. inundate them with display requests until you can’t walk through the lobby anymore because of too much crap stuffed into it

    that, plus I want to see a gigantic display of Cernunnos. THAT will give the Christians apoplexy :-p

  34. #34 natural cynic
    December 11, 2008

    The lesson is: If you children can’t play nice, recess is over

  35. #35 Jason A.
    December 11, 2008

    Heh, they try so hard to wedge their religion in, then they’re shocked when other religions take advantage of the opportunity they’ve created. The horror!
    And somehow, they still don’t get that ‘separation of church and state’ is as beneficial to them as it is to us atheists.

  36. #36 Another Lost Soul
    December 11, 2008

    I’m hoping for a display for THIS God (copied & pasted from http://www.godchecker.com)

    MIN: God of Lettuce and Sex.

    This fertility God is a very popular phallic deity. He is mostly depicted as a stick man — with one of the sticks sticking out somewhat crudely. Taking part in a sexy threesome with QADESH and RESHEP, he has a plumed headdress and in his right hand he holds a whip. Best not to ask why.

    There’s more to lettuce than you might think. It was regarded as a powerful aphrodisiac — huge bunches of lettuce leaves were eaten in MIN’s honor in the hope that increased stamina would result.

  37. #37 Epikt
    December 11, 2008

    Have we discovered some kind of fundamental sociological principle in action here? The closer two crackpot religious groups become in dogma and worldview, the more they detest each other.

  38. #38 Twin-Skies
    December 11, 2008

    @Feynmaniac #29

    I still say having a holy war at the capitol with every religion using their display as a weapon would be the best solution.

    LOL, then they can charge visitors for viewing this spectacle.

  39. #39 GodIsLove
    December 11, 2008

    STOP KILLING BABY JESUS!

  40. #40 Scott from Oregon
    December 11, 2008

    There were some very thoughtful reasons for keeping government out of stuff written in the Constitution.

    Too bad even secularists are prone to picking and choosing what suits them…

    The mind boggles…

  41. #41 Randy
    December 11, 2008

    All this bickering is making Robot Santa (Futurama) very angry.

  42. #42 Brain Hertz
    December 11, 2008

    There is a way to deal with this situation in a manner that is legally acceptable and morally defensible, but neither the Washington governor, nor her lawyers, have figured it out.

    Does it involve blocking the speech of everybody except Bill Donohue’s sect of Christians?

  43. #43 Brownian, OM
    December 11, 2008

    The closer two crackpot religious groups become in dogma and worldview, the more they detest each other.

    That’s a pretty common pattern in human group behaviour, generally.

    From the article:

    Many people feel very strongly about issues relating to faith. But you have to wonder where this is going. If the Showdown at the Rotunda is becoming what it looks like it’s becoming — a pop-theological shouting match — can it do anyone any good?

    Absolutely it’ll do good; it’s already demonstrating the foolishness of mingling church and state, and if allowed to escalate it’ll might drive home the point to the moderates that religion in the West isn’t this harmless little indulgence that’s nothing like the religion of those crazy extremists elsewhere.

    At the very least, it seems pretty telling evidence that those 80% of Americans who believe in God the fundies are always throwing at us might not be so harmoniously unified after all.

  44. #44 Wowbagger
    December 11, 2008

    SfO wrote:

    The mind boggles…

    You say that so often it’s lost what little meaning it had.

  45. #45 Eyeoffaith
    December 11, 2008

    Go the Pastafarians!!!! Get the FSM into the display.

    So….what is the Pastafarian Festival at this time of year called??? Spaghetalia??? Ramendum???? Lasagnemass???

  46. #46 Sir Craig
    December 11, 2008

    Scott from Oregon:

    Please to enlighten us with an example or link (re: “secularists picking and chosing what suits them” claim), ASAP.

    Now would be nice…

  47. #47 bad Jim
    December 11, 2008

    Feynmaniac’s revelation that Santa is a vampire really explains a lot.

  48. #48 John Pieret
    December 11, 2008

    Uh, Billy Boy, the reason the St. Patty’s Day Parade got away with banning gays is because it isn’t run by a government. Once governments open up a public forum on their property it has only limited power to set conditions on time, place and manner, mostly to do with maintaining public order, not to do with content. It can’t shunt religions it doesn’t like into a First Amendment ghetto, no matter how much you’d like it to.

  49. #49 abb3w
    December 11, 2008

    Can we have an Asherah pole? It’s a little out of season, but who cares; YHWH ought to get reminded of his ex-wife at the annual reminder of his fling with the Jewish chickie….

  50. #50 Richard from Red Deer
    December 11, 2008

    I wonder how long it is before Mr Phelps descends upon 450 Seventh Avenue New York and protests Mr Donohue. I would pay to see the ensuing festival of Christian love that would doubtless be displayed for the enjoyment of all.

  51. #51 Brian's A Wild Downer
    December 11, 2008

    Once again i find myself in agreement with Fred Phelps. We agree on most things i think. Except the god thing.

  52. #52 SC, OM
    December 11, 2008

    The lesson is: If you children can’t play nice, recess is over

    We’re turning this carpitol around at the next rest area!

  53. #53 Lsuoma
    December 11, 2008

    Randy@41

    Don’t forget what Chanukah Zombie tells us:

    “Talmud says ‘Be slow to anger!'”

  54. #54 GodIsLove
    December 11, 2008

    http://www.godhatesfags.com/
    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  55. #55 Another Lost Soul
    December 11, 2008

    eyeoffaith, #45, said:
    “So….what is the Pastafarian Festival at this time of year called??? Spaghetalia??? Ramendum???? Lasagnemass???”

    Names are irrelevant, so long as we all praise the Virgin Marinara. ^_^

  56. #56 Sir Craig
    December 11, 2008

    I’m so hoping “GodIsLove” is a very poor attempt at a Poe…

  57. #57 John C. Randolph
    December 11, 2008

    Maybe it’s time to revise the establishment clause of the 1st ammendment which is so evidently open to mal interpretation and confusion, it hurts.

    The establishment clause is perfectly clear. Like most of the constitution, the problem isn’t the language of the document, it’s the desire of politicians to pretend that it doesn’t mean what it says.

    -jcr

  58. #58 LisaJ
    December 11, 2008

    You’d expect something like “Christmas is for faggots” or “Santa is a vampire”.

    ha! That made me laugh out loud.

    So, any Pharynguloids live in the area that can post a Squidmas display for us? This is getting really good, and I’d love to kinda sorta feel a part of it.

  59. #59 Quidam
    December 11, 2008

    The Invisible Pink Unicorn (PBUHPFA) has had a display up since November 1, but no one noticed.

  60. #60 Erica
    December 11, 2008

    OHMYGOSH a Festivus pole?! I wish I had known about this sooner so I could go see! ;-)

  61. #61 kamaka
    December 11, 2008

    OK, godislove, what’s with that link??

    Looks like a Poe, but it’s got a Westboro copyright.

    WTF?

  62. #62 damnedyankee
    December 11, 2008

    I suppose countering Phelps with a sign saying “There IS no Santa Claus!” “You can’t fool me! There ain’t no sanity clause!” would be beyond the pale.

    Fixed. And oddly appropriate, under the circumstances.

  63. #63 Nerd of Redhead
    December 11, 2008

    I’m so hoping “GodIsLove” is a very poor attempt at a Poe…

    The prevailing wisdom is that he is a Poe, but I’m not so sure. He kinda reminds me of Max Verkat/Silver Fox in attitude when he was trying to “save us”. He is also sticking around for a long time without revealing himself compared to a normal Poe.

  64. #64 Brownian, OM
    December 11, 2008

    Poe or not, GodIsLove isn’t interested in doing anything but yanking you.

    Unfortunately, his hands are rough, his grip is all wrong, and he won’t remove his rings.

  65. #65 damnedyankee
    December 11, 2008
  66. #66 Capital Dan
    December 11, 2008

    Oooo… I’m going to put a sandal on the ground there with a sign saying “Behold! The one true religion –Courtesy of the Judean People’s Front (not to be confused with the People’s Front of Judea, The Front of Judean People, The Church of the Tin Vagabond, or those wild cats way out on Galactic Sector Twelve with their funny hats and mittens).”

  67. #67 damnedyankee
    December 11, 2008

    But… but… what about The Great Prophet Zarquon?

  68. #68 kamaka
    December 11, 2008

    “STOP KILLING BABY JESUS!”

    I read Poe. Same with that Westboro link, the site is Poe, the Westboro copyright notwithstanding.

    Am I wrong?

  69. #69 Nerd of Redhead
    December 11, 2008

    Poe or not, GodIsLove isn’t interested in doing anything but yanking you.

    Sounds like PharynguXXXX.

    GIL, ready to show physical evidence for your imaginary deity yet? If you aren’t, you are a fraud.

    Time for a Squidmas tree for the display. Topped by the FSM of course.

  70. #70 negentropyeater
    December 11, 2008

    jcr,

    The establishment clause is perfectly clear.

    That clear that the Supreme court had to devise a Lemon Test to decide on the constitutionality of the Government’s actions, test which is itself so complex and subject to mal interpretation that the Supreme court decisions on related cases aren’t even consistent.

    Oh, but it’s all very clear.

    it’s the desire of politicians to pretend that it doesn’t mean what it says.

    All the more reason to make it simpler and clearer.

  71. #71 Rob
    December 11, 2008

    Same with that Westboro link, the site is Poe, the Westboro copyright notwithstanding.

    You’re wrong. They use that URL.

  72. #72 Marcus Ranum
    December 11, 2008

    What part of Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn don’t these people understand?!

  73. #73 damnedyankee
    December 11, 2008

    I say we make up religions as we go and hit Washington State with applications for display. I, for one, do now declare myself Grand High Archbishop of the Ecstatic Cult of Charles Nelson Reilly. Sacred drunken orgies begin at eight o’clock sharp. Pipes will be provided upon request, but all parishoners must provide their own tobacco.

  74. #74 Kel
    December 11, 2008

    As a follower of the ways of the Jedi, I demand that Joseph be holding a light sabre in the nativity scene ;)

  75. #75 Brownian, OM
    December 11, 2008

    “STOP KILLING BABY JESUS!”

    I’d like to, but he. just. won’t. die!

  76. #76 GodIsLove
    December 11, 2008

    Kel: Leviticus 24

  77. #77 damnedyankee
    December 11, 2008

    What part of Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn don’t these people understand?!

    Well, at least nobody yet has made any mention of Hast-

  78. #78 Nerd of Redhead
    December 11, 2008

    GIL, you proved your god, so your alleged holy book is fiction. Time to stop your sinning, and post no more.

  79. #79 Nerd of Redhead
    December 11, 2008

    DOH! *headdesk* #78, GIL has not proved…

  80. #80 Wowbagger
    December 11, 2008

    Well, I began Scimormontology after all; I guess I’d better come up with a symbol so I can demand to have it used in a nativity display.

    How about a picture of an eight-armed alien with seven wives and an e-meter? With a Santa hat for the festive season.

  81. #81 Patricia, OM
    December 11, 2008

    Brock @27 – We followers of the great Goddess of discord, strife and confusion do not cover feces in tinsel. We roll turds in glitter, and hurl them by the chamber pots full out of trebuchets.

    My nominations for additions to the display, are statues of Priapus, and Isis in the Baubo gesture. Ancient porn for the win! (Excellent suggestion of Min by the way.)

  82. #82 GodIsLove
    December 11, 2008

    Nerd: You know God exists. I can tell by what you write.
    That hole in your heart should be filled with God instead of hate and bile. You hide your ignorance behind “prove it” as if God will consider that to be a legit exuse.

    U want proof of God??? Get on your knees, BELIEVE, PRAY and sincerely REPENT and that will prove to you GOD is REAL and CHANGES LIVES

  83. #83 BMS
    December 11, 2008

    Eyeoffaith asked:

    So….what is the Pastafarian Festival at this time of year called??? Spaghetalia??? Ramendum???? Lasagnemass???

    Pastamas, of course.

  84. #84 Wowbagger
    December 11, 2008

    We roll turds in glitter

    Because, being sensible, we know they can’t be polished – we leave that to theologians and biblical apologists…

  85. #85 kamaka
    December 11, 2008

    “You’re wrong. They use that URL.”

    godhatesfags…I’m feeling really naive right now…I visited that site and thought it was a Poe. I went back and checked again, they mean business! So godislove is “sincere”!

    Yeesh.

  86. #86 Owlmirror
    December 11, 2008

    plus I want to see a gigantic display of Cernunnos.

    Did someone say “a gigantic display of Cernunnos“?
    (NSFW. Really, I meant it. Contains crudity, nudity, lewdity, and rudity.1 You Have Been Warned.)

    _____________________
    1. I don’t care if rudity is not a word. Don’t restrict my free speech!2
    2. Oh, wait. I just looked it up, and it is too a word. So there!

  87. #87 Nerd of Redhead
    December 11, 2008

    Because, being sensible, we know they can’t be polished

    Er, the Mythbusters proved otherwise. Certain shit can be shined by reflectance criteria.

  88. #88 logoseph
    December 11, 2008

    @84:
    Actually, leave it to the Mythbusters. They did it-WITH SCIENCE! No explosions, though.

    Also, I propose a giant Darwin fish statue to join the merriment.

  89. #89 Celtic_Evolution
    December 11, 2008

    GodIsLove

    Enough already. You are a troll. You are not attempting to offer anything to the discussion, you are not adding anything of value, you are not attempting to engage in conversation or debate.

    You are guilty of godbotting, insipidity, and trolling, and I am hereby relegating you to my killfile, and I sincerely hope that soon you will be disemvoweled and tossed into the dungeon where you belong.

    Fuck off.

  90. #90 kamaka
    December 11, 2008

    “Nerd: You know God exists. I can tell by what you write.
    That hole in your heart should be filled with God instead of hate and bile. You hide your ignorance behind “prove it” as if God will consider that to be a legit exuse.

    U want proof of God??? Get on your knees, BELIEVE, PRAY and sincerely REPENT and that will prove to you GOD is REAL and CHANGES LIVES”

    Really, are you serious here? You don’t actually think like this, do you?

  91. #91 Patricia
    December 11, 2008

    GodIsLove – You nasty bastard! Don’t you dare wish Leviticus 24 on Kel, or anyone else on this blog.

    Show me your god. I challenge you.

  92. #92 logoseph
    December 11, 2008

    The Echo is strong in this thread. The lag was me doing a quick search to try to find an actual giant Darwin fish statue. Unfortunately, no one has made one yet. Come on, I know there’s some atheist sculptor out there that could make it a thing of beauty.

  93. #93 Wowbagger
    December 11, 2008

    That’s a shame; it’s one of my favourite ways of denigrating pro-religious arguments – and I’m far too pedantic to ignore the facts. I obviously missed the Mythbusters special on turd-polishing. Or maybe it hasn’t aired in Australia yet.

  94. #94 Kel
    December 11, 2008

    I take it Leviticus 24 is one of those chapters where God shows how loving he really is?

  95. #95 Loki
    December 11, 2008

    GodIsLove: You know penis exists. I can tell by what you write.
    That hole in your bottom should be filled with penis instead of hate and bile. You hide your ignorance behind “Leviticus 24″ as if penis will consider that to be a legit exuse.

    U want proof of penis??? Get on your knees, BELIEVE, SPREAD THOSE CHEEKS and sincerely REPENT and that will prove to you PENIS is REAL and CHANGES LIVES

  96. #96 Nerd of Redhead
    December 11, 2008

    GIL, until you show the physical evidence for your imaginary god I, and the other regulars here, will simply consider you as deluded as poor Peter Rooke. Which means we won’t listen to you at all, or will just consider you the “well meaning fool”, or, if you continue your idiocy, just a total fool. For the “well meaning fool” reference, Robert Heinlein Time Enough for Love. I’ll let you search the text.

  97. #97 co
    December 11, 2008

    It could be because I enjoyed a bit more of a nice Merlot this evening than I should have, but at some point I just don’t care if GiL is a Poe or not. Those links and the statements (the atrocious grammar, spelling, and the content) just go so far beyond anything that could be persuasive in the least that I can’t even get worked up about it. Nice try!

  98. #98 kamaka
    December 11, 2008

    godislove, if you do think like this, you have been brainwashed by a cult. You are in deep trouble and need to extricate yourself from the people who are ruining your life. You are giving them all of your money, aren’t you? Are the leaders of this cult demanding sex from you? Of course they are.

    Run, godislove, run.

  99. #99 logoseph
    December 11, 2008

    Wowbagger:
    Yeah, they tried a bunch of different animals’ feces with various methods, then found out about Dorodango, Japanese dirt polishing. They baked their material down to powder, then used the techniques of that art form to make what looked like giant turd marbles. Quite impressive what they can come up with even when the answer isn’t “make the explosion bigger.”

  100. #100 Kristin.jacobsen@mchsi.com
    December 11, 2008

    stephen colbert just did ‘the word’ on this whole situation. amazing.

  101. #101 Traffic Demon
    December 11, 2008

    Eyeoffaith @45

    From the words of the prophet Bobby Henderson:

    “Holiday encompasses pretty much all of the big commercial holidays celebrated by the other religions. Holiday stretches over most of December and January, and it is interesting to consider how much of this Pastafarian religion has spread over the last couple of years. In fact, many schools and business refer not to the “Christmas season,” but to the Pastafarian “Holiday season” instead. This is strong evidence of our rapid growth, and we feel that a special thanks should go out to Wal-Mart, who rejected the Christian phrase “Merry Christmas” in favor of the Pastafarian greeting “Happy Holidays.” We appreciate your support.

    –TDv3

  102. #102 DAN HOWITT
    December 11, 2008

    Great article,tkanksss! Dan Howitt.

  103. #103 Sam
    December 12, 2008

    Pfffft… The IPU (Invisible Pink Unicorn) display has been up before all of the rest of them. She is there in all of her invisible goodness.

    May her holy hooves never be shod.

  104. #104 inkadu
    December 12, 2008

    uknesvuinng – thanks for mentioning hogswatch. it sounded familiar, so I looked it up, and now it turns out that the BBS adapted a Terry Pratchett novel for TV and nobody told me.

    Thank goodness for the internets.

  105. #105 Brain Hertz
    December 12, 2008

    GodIsLove @ #76:

    Isn’t the provision in Leviticus 24:16 (I’m assuming that was what you were referencing) overturned by the provision in Hebrews 8:13?

    That’s what I constantly get told by other Christians as an explanation for such things as (just totally at random) why it is no longer necessary to regularly send goats into the wilderness (Leviticus 16:8-10).

    Can you help here? Some clarity on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

  106. #106 clinteas
    December 12, 2008

    Let’s see,Leviticus 24….
    I knew that bible I pinched from my hotelroom couple months ago would come in handy sometime !

    Oh,yawn,just another example of christian love then,good ‘ol stoning….But he loves you !!

  107. #107 Patricia, OM
    December 12, 2008

    Leviticus 24 is full of stoning.

    I have actually let this idiot bastard make me mad. So I’ll go tat about 20 rows furiously, and drink a quart of sangria.

    Good night sweethearts!

  108. #108 Ragutis
    December 12, 2008

    And the religious pissing contest begins! Hilarity ensues. That lobby is gonna up to the rafters in kitsch and superstitious bullshit.

    And of course Bill Donohue had to weigh in. Because that’s what Catholicism was lacking, it’s very own Jerry Falwell. Pretty soon every denomination is going to want it’s own fat, hate-filled blowhard.

    Hmmm… that makes me wonder… someone should check Phelps for tapeworm.

  109. #109 Rey Fox
    December 12, 2008

    “U want proof of penis??? Get on your knees, BELIEVE, SPREAD THOSE CHEEKS and sincerely REPENT and that will prove to you PENIS is REAL and CHANGES LIVES”

    “Um…I want cock too.”
    -Ennis 53:19

  110. #110 Eyeoffaith
    December 12, 2008

    Traffic Demon @ #101

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Though I did like the idea of Ramendum since having “dumb” at the end sums up how I feel about this time of year. :)

  111. #111 Badger3k
    December 12, 2008

    What really ironic is that the religious right and their pet lawyers got the state of Washington to have to put the displays up. They are sowing the seeds of their own actions. Just desserts, I say.

    I did see the Pastafarian Nativity Display, with the pirates and all. That would look great in a display. I’d do it, but the neighborhood cats would probably eat the blessed savior (savor?). I’d love to see a Cthulhu display, though.

  112. #112 Another Lost Soul
    December 12, 2008

    @Ragutis #108

    Oh, Phelps and tapeworms have much in common, my friend. They both will latch on to different parts of you for parasitic nourishment.

    Though I’m assuming that Phelps does not share the tapeworms’ preference of the bowels…

  113. #113 Traffic Demon
    December 12, 2008

    Eyeoffaith –

    “Ramendan is analogous to the Islamic period of fasting, prayer, and charity known as Ramadan. Ramendan comes around the same time as Ramadan, and indeed the two holiday periods have their similarities. One of the major differences between the two, however, is that Pastafarians do not fast or pray, as doing so would conflict with their flimsy moral standards. Instead, Pastafarians spend a few days of the month eating only Ramen noodles and remembering back to their days as starving college students. This simple act teaches Pastafarians to be happy about what they’ve accomplished, and if they haven’t accomplished anything yet, to at least be happy that they are Pastafarians. Ramendan is the least commercial of the Pastafarian holidays, which is saying a lot, since you aren’t going to see a Pastover sale at Macy’s any time soon. At the end of Ramendan, Pastafarians are encouraged to give their extra Ramen to those who are more needy.

    RAmen

    –El Traf

  114. #114 GodIsLove
    December 12, 2008

    Brain: The context of “new” means better, the old covenant wasn’t overturned but improved. I still offer a burnt offering or two – even though I do not need to.

  115. #115 Kel
    December 12, 2008

    Instead, Pastafarians spend a few days of the month eating only Ramen noodles and remembering back to their days as starving college students.

    lol, that’s pretty cool actually.

    Can we give a light sabre to the FSM?

  116. #116 Owlmirror
    December 12, 2008

    Can we give a light sabre to the FSM?

    I think you can get away with a Jedi-Pastafarian syncretism.

    “Strong the Sauce in this one is!”

    “May the Sauce be with you.”

  117. #117 e
    December 12, 2008

    Obviously I need to get me a copy of The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti monster. :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gospel_of_the_Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

  118. #118 Eyeoffaith
    December 12, 2008

    Oops. That was me above saying I need to get a copy of the Gospel.

  119. #119 Flippertie
    December 12, 2008

    Godislove fits the definition perfectly:

    Ignoranus: A person who’s both stupid and an asshole

    Keep fighting the God fight!

  120. #120 Brain Hertz
    December 12, 2008

    Brain: The context of “new” means better, the old covenant wasn’t overturned but improved. I still offer a burnt offering or two – even though I do not need to.

    Poe? Please?

  121. #121 Charlie Foxtrot
    December 12, 2008

    I still offer a burnt offering or two – even though I do not need to.

    Well, yeah – I do that too.. except I call it “turning my back on the barbie for too long to get a cold one from the esky”

  122. #122 plasmid
    December 12, 2008

    Hey where can I request a sign to display in the capitol? I want to put up a Haruhiist(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=haruhiism) sign.

  123. #123 RickrOll
    December 12, 2008

    On Sunday, Dec. 7: A demonstration by a group called “Private Citizens of Federal Way” against the atheistic sign will be held from 2 to 4 p.m. on the front steps.
    I can’t believe we didn’t hear about this first!

  124. #124 clinteas
    December 12, 2008

    Slightly OT:

    I notice Ed over at Dispatches has taken up the “I get email” meme.
    The christofascists dont seem too picky as to who they write hatemail to,and all the goodies are there too,everything from “Marxist” to “Russia”,and great spelling.Its a hoot…

  125. #125 Jadehawk
    December 12, 2008

    Did someone say “a gigantic display of Cernunnos”?

    that’s where I got the Idea, but I forgot what the site was named, so I didn’t google for it… a ginormous reindeer with an even more ginormous stiffy would be a wonderful centerpiece for that mess in Olympia!

  126. #126 Timothy
    December 12, 2008

    Does anyone know what the proper channel is for arranging to have a display put up in the capital? I think it would be the perfect venue for my religious or non-religious beliefs that I shall make up and begin believing around 11 am tomorrow.

  127. #127 Your Pre-emptively Smiting Overload
    December 12, 2008

    DogisLove at 114;

    So, you agree with stoning homosexuals to death, simply based upon their sleeping arrangements? What about homosexual penguins? Would you stone them to death too?

    Maybe you take your children out to the edge of town when they are troublesome and put them to death? What about the unbeliever – are you the first to raise your hand?

    If you answered “no” to any of these questions, you are a hypocrite, who doesn’t even follow the tenets of your chosen religion – remember, updated, not overturned. If you answered “yes”, then you are an evil swine, who desperately needs his children taken into care, and locked up for your own safety.

  128. #128 bastion
    December 12, 2008

    I’d like to get some of the female gods more recognition, and so, I’d like to add an image of Ixchel to the display.

    I don’t know exactly which image though.

    Personally, I’m fond of a more traditional Mayan image, but an updated and slightly more revealing representation might give the religionuts more to fuss and scream about.

  129. #129 bastion
    December 12, 2008

    OK. I screwed up the links the first time I posted this. I think I’ve got it right now.

    I’d like to get some of the female gods more recognition, and so, I’d like to add an image of Ixchel to the display.

    I don’t know exactly which image though.

    Personally, I’m fond of a more traditional Mayan image, but an updated and slightly more revealing representation might give the religionuts more to fuss and scream about.

  130. #130 Janine, Insulting Sinner
    December 12, 2008

    I would welcome a cage match between the two gas bags. Freddy Vs Billy! But the question is this, what style of battle should be used? Should they yell at each other and the loser is the more with more spittle on their body or should they see who’s venom is more poisonous?

  131. #131 GodIsLove
    December 12, 2008

    Your Pre-emptively Smiting Overload:
    It is an abomination unto the LORD.
    Animals can be homosexual – humans have intelligence and FREE WILL. I would love to be homosexual because it would be the ultimate test from God to resist my urges and devote my entire life to Him. Sex is the ultimate temptation the DEVIL uses to turn people away.

    The law of the land in which I am in trumps any OPTIONAL command to stone my children or unbelievers. If I were in power I would institute BIBLICAL LAW as it was meant to be.

    I am not an evil swine – you are the EVIL one as it says in the Bible. UNBELIEF is the WORST SIN EVER. You wouldn’t KILL your father would you?

  132. #132 John Morales
    December 12, 2008

    Owlmirror @86, that was a great link. Shame it conked out at #21. I might try it again later.

  133. #133 Loki
    December 12, 2008

    GodIs”Love”: You are evil, and filled with hate. You call love, hate and hate, love.

    Biblical law is filled with hatred and bloodshed and cruelty.

    Unbelief cannot possibly be the worst sin ever. In fact, unbelief must be the “best” sin ever: If God is real, then God cannot be harmed by humans not believing in him. Saying that it does implies that God is not real in the first place. Talking about “killing” your father is just stupid rubbish.

    Since you don’t believe God is real, it means that you are filled with hate for your fellow humans for no reason at all.

  134. #134 GodIsLove
    December 12, 2008

    Listen Loki, who are YOU to redefine that which GOD HIMSELF wrote? (through holy inspiration)

    Logically you cannot be smarter than GOD
    Logically you cannot be better than GOD
    Logically you cannot be more good than GOD

    Unbelief is ungratefulness. HE created you and you deny HIS existance!! What a slap in the face. You deny HIS sovereignty and live a life of SIN. You were born DEPRAVED and you will die DEPRAVED unless you repent your sins and make JESUS your personal SAVIOUR.

    GOD is real!

  135. #135 marginalia
    December 12, 2008

    GIL:

    I would love for you to be homosexual too. No, hang on, life is tough enough for teh gay folk.

    Isn’t there some passage in the Apocrypha that says we have to stone ABUSERS OF CAPSLOCK?

  136. #136 John Morales
    December 12, 2008

    re my #132, googling for it finds it in video form. I like it :)

  137. #137 Wowbagger
    December 12, 2008

    You know what I love? Seeing this on my screen:
    Comment by GodIsLove blocked. [unkill]?[show comment]

    I heart my killfile.

  138. #138 Twin-Skies
    December 12, 2008

    Logically you cannot be smarter than GOD
    Logically you cannot be better than GOD
    Logically you cannot be more good than GOD

    I have to ask, GIL: By your own reasoning, if God is so unfathomable, what makes YOU so certain that you’re following that entity’s will?

  139. #139 Owlmirror
    December 12, 2008

    Owlmirror @86, that was a great link. Shame it conked out at #21. I might try it again later.

    The web archive behaves rather oddly. Sometimes it autocorrects, sometimes it doesn’t.

    Replace the date string (20051217094346) with an asterisk (*), and it will list all of the versions of the page it has. You can then choose another one, and you should be able to continue forward.

  140. #140 clinteas
    December 12, 2008

    I have to ask, GIL: By your own reasoning, if God is so unfathomable, what makes YOU so certain that you’re following that entity’s will?

    Nice one,T-S….
    But GIL is yet another braindead creo-zombie,there a dime a dozen around here.
    No honest argument to be had with that ilk.

  141. #141 God Is Love
    December 12, 2008

    marginalia: No there isn’t.

    wowbagger: LOL I BEAT UR SYSTEM – REPEND NOW SINNER

    Twin-Skies: Read the bible!!!!!!!!!

  142. #142 Wowbagger
    December 12, 2008

    Comment by God Is Love blocked. [unkill]?[show comment]

    It takes far more effort for you to type in new tags than it does for me to block them – dickhead.

  143. #143 marginalia
    December 12, 2008

    Y’know, as ridiculous as GIL is (troll or no) I find him much more entertaining than the usual Objectivist bores I find trolling round these parts. Objectivist-baiting is just too easy, and generally results in overly dry, verbose replies. GIL, however, is kinda funny. I really enjoy his enthusiastic approach to spelling, punctuation, and English in general.

    Maybe King James should correct his posts.

  144. #144 Twin-Skies
    December 12, 2008

    @GIL

    Which one? The New International, King James, and the New King James versions are just some of the many versions, each with their own differing translations and subtle interpretations of the passages.

    Let’s not even get into the diverging explanations given by anthropologists, historians, and theologists on how these writings should be interpreted.

    Learn 2 spell n00b – it’s /b/tards like you that give Christians like me a bad name.

  145. #145 Loki
    December 12, 2008

    GodIs”Love”: You stupid, hate-filled moron, scripture wasn’t written by God, it was written by hate-filled humans like you.

    Don’t talk rubbish about “ungratefulness” being a slap in God’s face. The world is old and huge, and if God made it all, then God is older and huger still. A human can no more slap God in the face than a snail can slap the sun.

    How can you believe in a God so small and petty that he would feel hurt by anything a human can do? I bet you really don’t believe in a real God at all. You just call your seething hatred for everyone “God”, and worship that, an idol in your own hate-filled image.

  146. #146 God_Is_Love
    December 12, 2008

    Wowbagger: How did you know what I said UNLESS I BEAT UR SYSTEM

    Try putting GOD in your KILLFILE when he asks you why you did not listen to one of his MESSENGERS!!

  147. #147 spondee
    December 12, 2008

    Funny thing, Phelps showed up at my school to protest a lecture by Maya Angelo. My friend and I simply walked up to him, and told him we loved him. Words cannot descibe his profane diatribe.

    So here we go,
    GodisLove, even though you seem to truly believe that your fellow human beings actually deserve to die, I love you. And I love you because all human beings deserve love, without exception. I don’t put my faith in an angry, invisible, judgemental diety. I put my faith in the notion every single individual human is essentially good. Pretty hard to pull off some days, but that is what makes it faith. I love you.

  148. #148 GodIsLove
    December 12, 2008

    Twin-Skies: Are you a FAG ENABLER?? Be careful otherwise you might end up in HELL too!

    The one true church of GOD which has STAIED TRUE to the bible is http://www.godhatesfags.com/

    Try to learn something before its too late!!!

  149. #149 Twin-Skies
    December 12, 2008

    @Loki

    How can you believe in a God so small and petty that he would feel hurt by anything a human can do

    To take the argument further, if God was such an eternal, perfect, and all-powerful being as we are led to believe, how do we even know such an entity feels? Perfection implies having no change, and hence it’s not possible when you’re subject to time. When you’re not subject time, how do you feel anything at all?

    That was an old paradox brought up in theology classes by our priest. I never really had an answer for that, though it does help us realize just how skewed bible-thumpers can be when they pretend to interpret God’s intent, eh?

  150. #150 Wowbagger
    December 12, 2008

    Comment by God_Is_Love blocked. [unkill]?[show comment]

    Whee! This is sweet. Dance, moron, dance!

  151. #151 Twin-Skies
    December 12, 2008

    @GIL

    By your crazy group’s definition, Harvey Milk, Ozzy Osbourne, George Carlin, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Jacques Dupuis, and most of the other people I know would end up in hell too.

    That doesn’t sound too bad, lolz

  152. #152 marginalia
    December 12, 2008

    I’m deliberately trying to get into hell so I can meet Mark Twain. As he said, Hell’s got the best conversation.

  153. #153 echidna
    December 12, 2008

    GiL,
    How dare you be so dismissive toward Twin-skies? The people here are not ignorant, nor are they fools. If there was even the slightest scrap of evidence that God was real, then most here would be on bended knee. But THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. And imaginary friends are worse than useless.

    To expand on TS’s point: the bible is full of serious contradictions. NT: “Be perfect as your Father is perfect…Not one jot or iota of the law has passed away” and “The wages of sin is death” – which summarises Paul’s argument that Jewish Law is to be discarded.

    So how do you know what God’s will is? Did Paul overthrow Jesus’s teachings?
    How do you know your religion is not corrupted? How do you know it ever was the real deal? How do you know that you have not been conned by a scheme designed to keep the masses under control?

  154. #154 John Morales
    December 12, 2008

    Owlmirror @139, that works. Thanks.

  155. #155 Stevie_C
    December 12, 2008

    Gotta be a joke, if gods is love then why would he hate anyone?

  156. #156 scooter
    December 12, 2008

    Politics, the Universe and everything.

    http://acksisofevil.org/audio/inner205.mp3
    or download from
    http://acksisofevil.org/innerside.html

    Rumproast.com bloggers, KevinK and Dr Strange grope current events with Scooter

  157. #157 Christophe Thill
    December 12, 2008

    Phelps vs. Donahue! I say, give each a knife and let them settle their disagreements. In a loving, Christian way, of course.

    Now, as a worshipper of Bastet, I am shocked that the goddess is not properly honored at this time of Meowmas. The capitol must house a dozen of her children (yes, cats) in the best possible conditions. Otherwise, it’s discrimination.

  158. #158 bric
    December 12, 2008

    Private Eye has a nice seasonal cartoon this week – Woman at door to husband: “There are non-overtly-Christian seasonal-song singers at the door . . .”

  159. #159 MH
    December 12, 2008

    When the theocrat wannabes put up religious displays in town halls, it’s really just like dogs scent-marking their territory, isn’t it. And dogs do indeed get angry when rivals try to claim the same place as their own.

  160. #160 Lycosid
    December 12, 2008

    MH, rarely have I read a more apt metaphor. Well put.

  161. #161 Colonel Molerat
    December 12, 2008

    And the devil has the best music!

  162. #162 Colonel Molerat
    December 12, 2008

    Damn, forgot how conversation moves along here.
    Comment 161 was in response to post 152 by Marginalia…

  163. #163 Colonel Molerat
    December 12, 2008

    Damn, forgot how conversation moves along here.
    Comment 161 was in response to post 152 by Marginalia…

  164. #164 Jivlain
    December 12, 2008

    Oooooh, poll crashing time!

    Did the Governor of Washington make an error in judgment in allowing the atheist sign to be placed next to the Nativity scene?

    http://www.billoreilly.com/

  165. #165 R Soles
    December 12, 2008

    Is there room for the Kwanzaa Bunny?

  166. #166 Walton
    December 12, 2008

    GodIsLove is a very, very obvious Poe, and I don’t see why people are still responding to him. The joke’s getting old.

  167. #167 Kel
    December 12, 2008

    We still respond to you Walton.

    nah, really I think you’re alright. I don’t agree with you politically but you are willing to engage others and that deserves restecp

  168. #168 RickrOll
    December 12, 2008

    GodIsLove is a very, very obvious Poe, and I don’t see why people are still responding to him. The joke’s getting old.

    Waaalton, is that a confession ;) lol. I was just recently outed too. Well sort of.

    Except i was imitating a real person, complete with real postings and a generous smattering of overall Good Christian behavior. She should be thankful for my work.

  169. #169 Walton
    December 12, 2008

    Rickroll @ #168: No, GodIsLove is not me. (I’m not that talented an actor.) My attempt at a Poe was “Herbie McGonagall”, under which name I made one post on another thread, but was quickly spotted as a parody.

  170. #170 Kitty
    December 12, 2008

    When the theocrat wannabes put up religious displays in town halls, it’s really just like dogs scent-marking their territory, isn’t it. And dogs do indeed get angry when rivals try to claim the same place as their own.

    And when a dog gets angry and stands all stiff legged and makes that short warning bark his anus pulses with each bark – it’s something to do with scent dispersal.

    So next time you see a fundy getting irate just think of his arsehole pulsing! Gets a laugh in my family every time.

  171. #171 Fernando Magyar
    December 12, 2008

    GIL said:

    I would love to be homosexual

    Really?

  172. #172 clinteas
    December 12, 2008

    And when a dog gets angry and stands all stiff legged and makes that short warning bark his anus pulses with each bark – it’s something to do with scent dispersal.

    Now this is a rather interesting picture….pulsing anus…
    I will have to think about how to make this into a kinky sex game,I reckon…:-)

  173. #173 L.Minnik
    December 12, 2008

    BMS

    Eyeoffaith asked:
    So….what is the Pastafarian Festival at this time of year called??? Spaghetalia??? Ramendum???? Lasagnemass???

    Pastamas, of course.

    pastalia :)

  174. #174 GunOfSod
    December 12, 2008

    GodIsLove…
    “The context of “new” means better, the old covenant wasn’t overturned but improved. I still offer a burnt offering or two – even though I do not need to.”

    GodIsLove…
    “Listen Loki, who are YOU to redefine that which GOD HIMSELF wrote?”

    Head asplode!

  175. #175 Matt7895
    December 12, 2008

    Funny how they call the FSM fictional but not the Nativity.

  176. #176 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    December 12, 2008

    People

    godislove is someone pretending to be a fundy dumbass.

    Poe at it’s worst.

  177. #177 MH
    December 12, 2008

    Lycosid #160 “MH, rarely have I read a more apt metaphor. Well put.”

    Thanks. I think it’s also analogous to gang graffiti. Basically primitive tribalism, stimulated by the ignorance/unfamiliarity of other people, which leads to insecurity, fear and aggressiveness.

  178. #178 Mikael HafO
    December 12, 2008

    “Santa Claus will take you to Hell” goes perfectly with “Santa Claus is coming to town” (or Kenny Novak’s “Santa Claus is gunning you down”). I’ve been humming that all morning here :)

  179. #179 Raiko
    December 12, 2008

    This all just makes me sad.

    I would absolutely love to see a naitivity scene with a smiling buddah next to it and a big, godless “Have a happy season!” next to it, and whatever else anyone wants to put up – the FSM, some Hindu god(s)… whatever floats your boat. Put it all up, cramp it in anywhere in this world, public of private. I’d find it cute. The more multi-cultural and multi-religious, the better. And don’t forget a statue of Oliver Twist!

    What I don’t find cute, from no side whatsoever, is this mud-war on the holidays. I have great memories of this season, of Christmas celebrations as a festival that celebrates love and family, a traditional season with a cute fairy tale about a baby attached to it. All I want is a happy Christmas with my girlfriend and the people I love – in peace and without a bitter taste attached to it.

    It’s apparently way too much to ask.

  180. #180 clinteas
    December 12, 2008

    What I don’t find cute, from no side whatsoever, is this mud-war on the holidays. I have great memories of this season, of Christmas celebrations as a festival that celebrates love and family, a traditional season with a cute fairy tale about a baby attached to it. All I want is a happy Christmas with my girlfriend and the people I love – in peace and without a bitter taste attached to it.

    Love and family?
    To me,today,Christmas is a day to be with my ex and our kid,to have a meal,exchange some gifts,and for that im grateful.
    The thing it used to be when I was younger,this whole blown-up make-belief family we love each other thing,we have no issues and lets cover each other in prezzies to cover the fact that the family is fucked crap,good riddance….
    As to what signs to put up,I could so not care less,there should either be signs of each and every religious denomination,including the unbelievers,or none at all….

  181. #181 chancelikely
    December 12, 2008

    Raiko:

    True, but the capitol building of any state is a damned silly place to do it.

  182. #182 Steverino
    December 12, 2008

    Donohue vs. Phelps – Battle of the Tards!!!

    A match made in Hea…..or….wherever

  183. #183 Juan Diego
    December 12, 2008

    On this Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, please, Pharyngulans, science away all the supposed miracles associated with that event.

  184. #184 dbe
    December 12, 2008

    I’d suggest adding a dispaly to honor Nuggan, but I’m pretty sure such displays are An Abomination Unto Nuggan.

  185. #185 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    December 12, 2008

    On this Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, please, Pharyngulans, science away all the supposed miracles associated with that event.

    Hallucinations?

    Lies?

    Confusion?

  186. #186 GodIsLove
    December 12, 2008

    Hey Juan Diego – GOD hates CATHOLICS just look to what he did to them in 1755.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1755_Lisbon_earthquake

    It happened on a FALSE catholic holiday – all saints day

    Renounce your false beliefs and believe in JESUS instead of the pope!!!
    http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/popes-cadaver-synod.php?page=1

  187. #187 SC, OM
    December 12, 2008

    I’ll say it again – I love “science away” as a verb structure. Keep forgetting to use it.

  188. #188 clinteas
    December 12, 2008

    PZ,can the GIL troll/imposter be disposed of now,please?

  189. #189 Graculus
    December 12, 2008

    I beleive the Levitican injunction against homosexuality was over turned by Jeebus. Matthew 15:11

  190. #190 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    December 12, 2008

    If the fact that GIL just linked to somethingawful isn’t proof of his its poedom, I don’t know what else could be.

  191. #191 negentropyeater
    December 12, 2008

    It’s always so amusing to see a protestant telling a catholic to renounce his false beliefs (or vice versa).

    Well at least it’s amusing when it stays in a blog, otherwise, history shows it hasn’t been that amusing, as recently as in Northern Ireland and all the way till 1517.

  192. #192 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    December 12, 2008

    snicker

  193. #193 Andreas Johansson
    December 12, 2008

    Try putting GOD in your KILLFILE when he asks you why you did not listen to one of his MESSENGERS!!

    Has Heaven fallen on such hard times it employs third-rate Internet trolls as messengers? I guess the recession’s hurting everyone.

  194. #194 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    December 12, 2008

    I don’t know if anyone covered this already but in the article about Fred Phelps’ sign, this really pisses me off

    The sign would join a Christian Nativity set, three signs mocking atheism, and the one that started it all – the sign from the atheist group Freedom From Religion whose message that “religion hardens hearts and enslaves minds” sparked a furious nationwide debate over the nature of atheism and the boundaries between church and state.

    Um no, the thing that started it was the nativity display.

  195. #195 Naked Bunny with a Whip
    December 12, 2008

    I’m trying to figure out why an omnipotent and omnipresent being even needs messengers. Reminds me of when my parents were fighting and would “relay” their insults through us kids even though they were in the same room as us.

  196. #196 Lesserdevil
    December 12, 2008

    “Prepare, my minions, for it is time we demanded a golden statue in my honor…” No, wait, that’s the wrong speech. That’s the one for having my idol erected. Here it is:

    “Oh ye of much anti-Christmas sentiment, prepare for the second coming. It is at hand, and should you be left behind when the rapture comes, blah, blah, blah, yadda yadda…” You get the drift. You’ve all been very naughty.

    Lesserdevil sin absolution tickets for sale, just $19.95. That’s a bargain!

  197. #197 AnthonyK
    December 12, 2008

    God is love – what part of “we don’t believe you, we don’t believe in your, on any, god, and you are a hatefilled, stupid, deluded, psychotic fuck-up of a human being” do you not understand?
    Either that, or you’re a poe. In which case, you’re a wanker. Sometimes false ignorance does my head in – there’s more than enough real ignorance out there to suit me.

  198. #198 Naked Bunny with a Whip
    December 12, 2008

    GIL started boring me a long time ago, and I’m almost disturbingly easy to amuse.

  199. #199 Nerd of Redhead
    December 12, 2008

    If GIL is a Poe, its time for him/her to stop. One day, maybe funny. Beyond that, obnoxious. Disemvowelment would be more amusing than his/her insipid posts.

  200. #200 Orac
    December 12, 2008
    The closer two crackpot religious groups become in dogma and worldview, the more they detest each other.

    That’s a pretty common pattern in human group behaviour, generally.

    As demonstrated so ably by Monty Python in The Life of Brian:-)

  201. #201 CrypticLife
    December 12, 2008

    How about keeping the government entirely secular, throwing all the Christmas kitsch out of the capitol, and admitting that government has no business promoting any religious beliefs at all?

    What, and ruin all the fun?

    I don’t know about all of you, but I think this is a terrific result. Everyone should have a chance to have their pet view heard. Walking through the capitol’s going to be a MUCH better experience now. I desperately hope they’ve just decided they need to accept all applications for displays as long as they have space.

    And I mean c’mon — we all laughed at the “Santa Claus will take you to hell”. It’s an absurdity from pretty much every perspective except that of the WBC.

  202. #202 CosmicTeapot
    December 12, 2008

    Janine @130

    I would welcome a cage match between the two gas bags. Freddy Vs Billy! But the question is this, what style of battle should be used?

    A kissing contest. They can’t get out of the ring until they have kissed. With tongues.

  203. #203 Vic
    December 12, 2008

    Has Heaven fallen on such hard times it employs third-rate Internet trolls as messengers? I guess the recession’s hurting everyone.

    Yes! FTW!

  204. #204 Vic
    December 12, 2008

    Are there churches out there that tell their congregation to “get out there and troll. That’s how you’ll spread the word of God”, or do they just take it upon themselves to be major hemorrhoids on the net? They must be told to. I find it hard to believe that a Xtian would actually think for themselves.

  205. #205 Robert W
    December 12, 2008

    Where is the effigy celebrating His Holy Noodleyness the Flying Spaghetti Monster? He will be most displeased and will smite the capital building.

  206. #206 ScottKnick
    December 12, 2008

    I think the Westboro jingle is kinda catchy:

    You’d better watch out
    Get ready to cry,
    You’d better go hide,
    I’m telling you why ‘cuz
    Santa Claus will take you to hell.

    [skip to the middle eight]
    He is your favorite idol,
    You worship at his feet,
    But when you stand before your God
    He won’t help you take the heat.

    So get this fact straight:
    You’re feeling God’s hate,
    Santa’s to blame for the economy’s fate,
    Santa Claus will take you to hell

    But it’s missing a second verse, or we could actually set the thing to music! Anybody wanna help?

  207. #207 FastLane
    December 12, 2008

    I’m trying to think of the some appropriate objects to juggle and see how easily amused Naked Bunny with a whip really is….

    Help me out here people.

  208. #208 damnedyankee
    December 12, 2008

    GiL’s ramblings about the bible poses a question for me: Why is God such a bad writer? No narrative cohesion, hardly any character development to speak of, self-contradiction, preachiness, non sequitirs… Shakespeare could do better after a weeklong bender.

  209. #209 Naked Bunny with a Whip
    December 12, 2008

    @FastLane:
    /me lies on his belly, chin resting in his paws, and contentedly watches your hands move as you decide to just pretend to juggle

  210. #210 zaphod
    December 12, 2008

    why is ZAPPADAN not given equal time? i am irate about this!

  211. #211 StuV
    December 12, 2008

    A little crude, perhaps, but how about this for the second verse?

    So drop to your knees
    Get ready to please
    The jolly fat jerk
    is jingling his keys
    Santa Clause will take you to hell

  212. #212 Naked Bunny with a Whip
    December 12, 2008

    @StuV #211: That’s totally hawt.

  213. #213 tsg
    December 12, 2008

    I’d suggest adding a dispaly to honor Nuggan, but I’m pretty sure such displays are An Abomination Unto Nuggan.

    How about a picture of the Duchess? We could curtsy to it as we walked by.

  214. #214 StuV
    December 12, 2008

    Oh Bunny, I just knew you’d like it.

  215. #215 JimB
    December 12, 2008

    Fastlane:

    A cracker, a koran (cause i forgot the new spelling) and the god delusion. ???

  216. #216 dwarf zebu
    December 12, 2008

    Oh, CrypticLife @201, I am so with you! This IS the war on christmas and we’re winning for a change!! I’m loving it!

    Posted by: dbe | December 12, 2008 9:10 AM

    I’d suggest adding a dispaly to honor Nuggan, but I’m pretty sure such displays are An Abomination Unto Nuggan.

    I suppose that would include any sort of Hogswatch display or even a small votive whisk honoring the goddess Anoia?

  217. #217 Calladus
    December 12, 2008

    This all started when the Alliance Defense Fund sued the capitol in order to allow religious displays in the first place.

    I’ll expect Bill Donohue to take the ADF to task now for their responsibility for this mess. I’m sure he will call them a hateful organization that arranged the conditions to allow vicious attacks on Christmas.

    Bill is sure to issue a statement any time now telling everyone about the ADF’s mistake. I just want to know if Bill will call them stupid, or if he’ll claim that they are also an evil organization bent on attacking Christmas.

  218. #218 Venger
    December 12, 2008

    Not sure of this has been posted, but here’s a collection of Fox News morons in an outrage over this.

    Fox News

  219. #219 breadmaker
    December 12, 2008

    LOKI:
    when you say, “How can you believe in a God so small and petty that he would feel hurt by anything a human can do?,”

    are you not denigrating your own feelings?

    what if you are not as insignificant as you presuppose yourself to be?

  220. #220 Ragutis
    December 12, 2008

    Posted by: FastLane | December 12, 2008 11:48 AM

    I’m trying to think of the some appropriate objects to juggle and see how easily amused Naked Bunny with a whip really is….

    Help me out here people.

    Bill O’Reilly’s head, a key lime pie and the Holy Prepuce.

    I’d watch that.

  221. #221 Jadehawk
    December 12, 2008

    what if you are not as insignificant as you presuppose yourself to be?

    delusions of grandeur are not a valid argument for anything other than delusions of grandeur.

    in the context of the entire bloody universe, we’re an insignificant mote. unless and until it’s proven that the earth is the only life-bearing planet in the universe, you’re making anthropocentric assumptions with no evidence to support them.

  222. #222 Your Mighty Overload
    December 13, 2008

    DogisLove at 131;

    But the real question is WHY is it an abomination in the eyes of the lord? He made them gay, after all. He knew full well in advance (or he’s not omniscient) that certain individuals would be gay. In fact, the evidence suggests that homosexuality is genetic, so if it is such an abomination, why did God give them gay genes in the first place?

    As for not stoning your children or unbelievers to death, it sounds a lot like you are choosing to accept secular law over the word of your supposed God. I mean, I may not believe in him, but you actively betray him – you work against him. You refute his laws, his words, which YOU apparently believe he personally wrote down (your evidence for which is….?, btw) Or maybe you think his word doesn’t apply when it doesn’t suit your purposes. We have a word for that, you know – hypocrisy.

    It’s funny, at 134 you accuse Loki of redefining God’s word, but it seems you are the only person doing that here.

  223. #223 cicely
    December 14, 2008

    GIL (if you are not a Poe, and if you haven’t been dungeoned by now),

    Upthread, you said that you wish that you were gay, so you could fight the temptation. If, as is frequently (usually?) the case with people who hate gay people because they are gay, you believe that being gay is a lifestyle choice rather than inherent, then you can be gay, just for wanting to be. Show some follow-through!

  224. #224 P Smith
    December 14, 2008

    Bill Donahue, the moron who still denies there are pedopriests?

    Why is anyone listening to him anymore?

  225. #225 Owlmirror
    December 14, 2008

    breadmaker:

    “How can you believe in a God so small and petty that he would feel hurt by anything a human can do?,”
    are you not denigrating your own feelings?
    what if you are not as insignificant as you presuppose yourself to be?

    The questions make no sense.

    It certainly sounds like you are some sort of believer. It logically follows if God exists and is eternal and infinite that finite humans can not in any way harm God, or “hurt God’s feelings”.

    If you don’t believe God is eternal and infinite, how limited do you think God is?

  226. #226 Deiloh@yahoo.com
    December 16, 2008

    I think the Wiccan community could come up with some beautiful pentagrams to paint semi-permanently on the floor space between the poster and scene. Or maybe a series of them dotting around all the other posters, polls, and signs.

  227. #227 FreeThinker
    December 23, 2008

    Hey GodIsLove – YOUR MYTHICAL “CHRISTIAN” GOD(S) hate(s) HUGUENOTS [CALVINISTS] – just look to what he did to them in 1572.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre

    It happened on a FALSE Lutheran feast day – St. Bartholomew’s Day!

    THEREFORE THE FAKE CHRISTIAN GOD DESPISES PROTESTANTS, particularly those who follow the theology of Luther or Calvin! (The Phelps nearly worship Calvin–“Institutes of the Christian Religion” is, de facto, their third testament, the fourth being their own WBC Epics).

    Renounce your false beliefs and believe in the God of Deism instead of the nonsensical three-headed fictional
    god(s) of Nicæne Christianity!!!
    http://deism.com/

    Actually, GODISLOVE, I couldn’t care less what you believe. Ah, fundies…pushing forward the eventual extinction of the human race, one belief at a time…

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