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Got your Christmas cards sent out yet?
Category: Godlessness
Posted on: December 1, 2008 1:17 PM, by PZ Myers
I just received a sampling of Order of St. Nick's Alternative Holiday Greeting Cards, so I have to give them a plug. If you've been looking for atheist Christmas cards, they've got 'em.
I was thinking of sending them to my family back in the Pacific Northwest, but I may have to get some more so I can send some to Bill Donohue and Bill O'Reilly, too.
Oh, my — they also have evil Christmas cards. Maybe those would be more appropriate for the Bills.
Comments
Posted by: Magnus | December 1, 2008 1:20 PM
Ha! I would love to get a Darwin card for Jul.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | December 1, 2008 1:24 PM
See, this is what a War on Christmas looks like.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 1, 2008 1:26 PM
Just ordered some Darwin Beard cards.
Those are awesome.
Mom's going to love getting one of those.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | December 1, 2008 1:28 PM
I am repeatedly implored not to make glib analogies about the role of Darwin as a Jesus-like figure to his acolytes. And yet here it is, staring at me from the translucent screen, as clear as day.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | December 1, 2008 1:29 PM
Ah, Pete, you've confused Jesus and Santa again. Also with the usual lack of any sense of irony.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | December 1, 2008 1:31 PM
"Mom's going to love getting one of those."
Nothing like some family strife at Christmas to distract us from the radiant truth that we should maintain focus on.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | December 1, 2008 1:33 PM
Since Pete "well meaining fool" Rooke has decreed we are jesus like acolytes of Darwin, this means we aren't. Learn some science and history of science Pete. Maybe you will lose your belief in your imaginary god with some real information.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | December 1, 2008 1:34 PM
I'm quite happy with the vision of Darwin as Santa.
Posted by: Kuroko | December 1, 2008 1:38 PM
See Pete, further proof that you just get an idea that you like and no matter what evidence refutes it, you simply ignore that and go with what you like.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | December 1, 2008 1:38 PM
Pete "well meaining fool" Rooke, still operating under the delusion that your opinion is anything other that a laugh for us? The belief in imaginary beings will do that to you.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | December 1, 2008 1:40 PM
Maybe you will lose your belief in your imaginary god with some real information.
Information cannot be real or unreal, it exists irrespective of whether or not it is convenient or inconvenient, true or untrue,...
Are these the grounds that you use to dismiss the New Testament as valid? It is certainly real information - and no doubt it is true that any foundational thinking not based on this - (namely Evolutionism) - is doomed before the premise has even been fully sketched.
Posted by: PZ Myers | December 1, 2008 1:40 PM
Only because you are completely impervious to humor and sarcasm, Mr Rooke.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | December 1, 2008 1:44 PM
because you are completely impervious to humor and sarcasm, Mr Rooke.
I don't easily find humor in matters of such seriousness.
Until next time,
Pete Rooke.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | December 1, 2008 1:48 PM
Pete, show me one book of the apostles that was actually written at the time Jesus preached. No, you can't. The new testatment was written a generation or two after the events described therein. There is no reliable outside evidence that historical Jesus existed. So my conclusion that the new testament is a pile of fiction is much more correct based upon the evidence.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | December 1, 2008 1:57 PM
Rookey (#13) pontificated,
What matters?
Then again, I don't really want to know; you've always confused what you find serious with what intelligent people find serious.
Posted by: CJO | December 1, 2008 1:58 PM
Are these the grounds that you use to dismiss the New Testament as valid?
What "grounds"? What are you even talking about!? Darwin looks like Santa; therefore, No Jesus!
And what kind of validity are we even considering assigning to the NT? It's "valid" theology, by the low to nonexistent standards of that realm. The burden is on you to show that it was considered anything other than theology by its authors and their contemporaries. It's only the insecurity of later apologists that made anyone even consider that the NT accounts should be read as historical documents.
Posted by: Holbach | December 1, 2008 1:59 PM
Pete Rooke @ 6
"Radiant truth"? There is no truth in religion, only abject insanity. I presume that when you find presents under your tree you assume that your imaginary god put them there? You and yours have been celebrating your god's birth for two thousand years and still can not separate the material from the nonsense. None of this will ever penetrate a mind subjugated by irrational religion. You should be given a life ticket to the creation museum and then go and cavort with the lions in the Cincinnati Zoo and tell them you are celebrating their creator's birth day and wish to share some heavenly peace with them.
Posted by: Don Smith | December 1, 2008 2:03 PM
They even have Squidmas cards!
Posted by: Steve_C | December 1, 2008 2:06 PM
Hehe. Rooke is SUCH a douche. Makes me giggle.
Posted by: Jaycubed | December 1, 2008 2:07 PM
My X-mas cards this year show an angel shoving a christmas tree up the ass of a man and saying,
"Let's See How YOU Like It!"
.
Posted by: nigelgomm | December 1, 2008 2:09 PM
may i also recommend
http://russellsteapot.com/images/comics/2007/xmas.jpg
Chaz has given permission for people to download and use it as they wish. (http://russellsteapot.com/news/latest/x-mas-stuff.html)
Posted by: Owlmirror | December 1, 2008 2:17 PM
This is merely playing games with semantics.
"Real information", as used above, simply meant that which truly matches reality.
More word games. The NT certainly exists, and as such is real, but that which it contains no more matches anything in reality than does the Quran or the Hindu vedas, or any other "real information" whose truth you reject.
Whereas in contrast, evolutionary biology is specifically a compendium of that which matches reality — as is all science.
Posted by: Rey Fox | December 1, 2008 2:21 PM
Laughter always wins, Rookie.
Posted by: Jaycubed | December 1, 2008 2:21 PM
"I am repeatedly implored not to make glib analogies about the role of Darwin as a Jesus-like figure to his acolytes. And yet here it is, staring at me from the translucent screen, as clear as day.
Posted by: Pete Rooke"
Let me guess, you graduated from one of those bible-thumpin'-colleges.
You can't even tell the difference between Santa and Jesus.
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I must admit, I like the Santa/Darwin image. Darwin did open up a big bag of gifts for all the boys & girls. And his gift bag keeps pouring out new "gifts" all the time.
.
Posted by: Randy | December 1, 2008 2:22 PM
I bought two boxes a few days ago. I hope they live up to expectations.
Posted by: Graculus | December 1, 2008 2:49 PM
I likie the Xman bat, but it should have a little Santa hat.
Want some fun with Rookie?
Hey, Rooke! Give us an objective definition of information.
Posted by: Randy Owens | December 1, 2008 2:53 PM
Well, since PZ brings the subject up, I've been looking recently for an image that was around a couple of years ago, your basic Cthulhu image with something like "May Cthulhu grant you a quick and painless death in this season of snow and ice" for a caption. I've googled for it, but it seems the original has gone missing, and I'm not finding any copies either. Does anyone here have a copy of that? (Yes, if it comes down to it, it probably wouldn't be hard at all to make a new version.)
Posted by: Chiroptera | December 1, 2008 3:00 PM
Pete Rooke, #13: I don't easily find humor in matters of such seriousness.
Yeah, Darwin dressed as Santa Claus. I can see how that's far too serious a matter to joke around.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 1, 2008 3:01 PM
Not surprisingly, Pete's sense of humor is about on par with his sense of reason.
Posted by: spyderkl | December 1, 2008 3:21 PM
I'm not seeing anything evil about the vampire bat Xmas cards. In fact, I think I just found what we're sending this year. To the people we know who will appreciate them - everybody else gets the generic Walgreen's assortment.
Posted by: Dark Matter | December 1, 2008 4:19 PM
My mom loved the Merry Squidmas cards. We considered getting them and sending them to some of our more...ah...conservative neighbors, but our desire not to have our buildings torched surpassed our snark capacity.
Posted by: inkadu | December 1, 2008 5:07 PM
I gotta say, I prefer the squidmas cards to Darwin cards. Not everyone would recognize Darwin, but who doesn't appreciate a squid in front of a christmas tree?
CJO has the winning argument to Rooke. I think people may have missed it. I repeat it below in full:
When you're dealing with the fundamentalism, it's best not to try too hard.
Posted by: inkadu | December 1, 2008 5:09 PM
I gotta say, I prefer the squidmas cards to Darwin cards. Not everyone would recognize Darwin, but who doesn't appreciate a squid in front of a christmas tree?
CJO has the winning argument to Rooke. I think people may have missed it. I repeat it below in full:
When you're dealing with the fundamentalism, it's best not to try too hard.
Posted by: Rrr | December 1, 2008 6:02 PM
If anyone's contemplating supporting something a bit queerer, Tab of KhaosKomix is selling 100 Christmas cards with very SFW (and nice) covers.
(www.khaoskomix.com/images/store/card2.jpg sans the water stamp)
Can be ordered internationally. I'm hoping to get one of them as an xmas pressie from a friend.
http://www.khaoskomix.com/store.html
I'm contemplating drawing random santa-squids for my e-cards this christmas :-D
Posted by: Miranda Hale | December 1, 2008 6:08 PM
Bill Donohue would totally go off and write some sort of treatise regarding how the MERE IDEA of you sending him a card like this is an unforgivable affront to all Catholics. His persecution complex never fails to fascinate/horrify me.
Posted by: cheeb | December 1, 2008 7:44 PM
I'm from Buffalo, and wondered briefly why you were sending xmas cards to our NFL team.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | December 1, 2008 7:46 PM
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
A bit of self-irony is very healthy.
Remember, the one who laughs last hasn't understood the joke.
Merry Newtonmas, Mr Rooke.
Posted by: windy | December 1, 2008 7:57 PM
Yeah, Darwin dressed as Santa Claus. I can see how that's far too serious a matter to joke around.
Much better to make your own Christmas cards, perhaps out of the skin of a loved one.
Posted by: SC | December 1, 2008 8:02 PM
Ah, another occasion on which I wish I were a LOL-user.
Posted by: Qwerty | December 1, 2008 8:15 PM
I think Pete Rooke needs a visit from Scrooge's spirits!
Posted by: Derek | December 1, 2008 8:44 PM
Those are nice. I might have to start a new Christmas tradition: get secular cards and send them to my parents and to Bill O'Reilly.
Posted by: Chronos | December 1, 2008 9:35 PM
Yay, Squidmas!
Posted by: tacitus | December 1, 2008 11:49 PM
.... as featured on the Colbert Report!! ...
Posted by: Rey Fox | December 2, 2008 2:30 AM
"I'm from Buffalo, and wondered briefly why you were sending xmas cards to our NFL team."
I would imagine that the Patriots would be sending X-Mas cards to them after the way the Bills have played the last several weeks.
Posted by: Quiet_Desperation | December 2, 2008 2:40 AM
Amusing, but I'll pass. I still have two boxes of those National Geographic baby penguin cards.
Posted by: Kemist | December 2, 2008 10:30 AM
There's one that's missing...
A card from Robot Santa holding a nasty RPG saying "You've been naughty... Very naughty!"
Posted by: Fatboy | December 2, 2008 2:14 PM
Atheist Christmas cards are an interesting idea, but why the focus on evolution & Darwin in these? Only one of the cards wasn't about evolution - Secular Greetings. Is it too much to ask for a little more variety?
Posted by: Qwerty | December 2, 2008 2:57 PM
None of the cards seemed appropriate for Bill Donohue. So, I searched the internet and found:
http://www.zazzle.com/drama_queen_card-137313293757540143
Posted by: Patricia | December 2, 2008 3:01 PM
Qwerty - Holy shite! That's me in that drawing.
Ha, ha! Thanks, I'm ordering some.
Posted by: Kel | December 2, 2008 4:37 PM
That was very funny, I loved the letter he read out.