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On my way to Florida
Category: Personal
Posted on: December 5, 2008 7:33 AM, by PZ Myers
I'm about to fly away, and I got word last night that the Dean of the Chapel at Rollins is suddenly getting quite irate about my visit. Finally, someone is reacting to me as if I were the antichrist! Maybe we'll get some controversy Saturday night, although more likely they'll discover I'm this terribly mild-mannered academic teddy bear and it will all blow over.
There are days I wish I were 6'6" with tattoos and leather and a voice that was all iron and fury…but it's just not my thing.
Comments
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead | December 5, 2008 7:52 AM
Maybe you need to work on a Darth Vaderish voice to make you more menacing. But you would still look like a mild mannered professor.
Posted by: NewEnglandBob | December 5, 2008 8:04 AM
...or maybe, PZ, you could act like a fundy such as billo or Rush and lie and deceive and rant and rave and spew venom....
oh, wait...we atheists don't do that. Sorry.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 8:07 AM
I have a pretty deep and raspy voice (not sure about furry). Maybe we should record some sound bits for you to use when needing to portray Mr. big mean nasty evil atheist puppy eater.
Posted by: recovering catholic | December 5, 2008 8:11 AM
You could always do the tattoos, PZ. Just think of all the wonderful, colorful cephalopod inks you could get, and how they might cleverly wind their tentacles about your various body parts!
Posted by: Rob Clack | December 5, 2008 8:11 AM
Controversy is good! Please wish him a Happy Squidmas when you meet him!
Posted by: clinteas | December 5, 2008 8:14 AM
And how much easier it would be for your foes to debate you,if you were...
I didnt know you until 2 years ago or so,but you are indeed a mild-mannered teddybear,and the raving religious loons trying to get to you are just that,raving loons.....
I might get a tat or 2 myself,btw....
Posted by: Johnny Vector | December 5, 2008 8:16 AM
Oh, you mean like Henry Rollins!
Now that would be a tour I'd go to see! Henry Rollins and Pee-Zed together!
Posted by: RichardC | December 5, 2008 8:22 AM
6'6.6" would be the right height.
"Beware, for the Evil One shall beguile the unwary, denying the LORD and His Creation with soft voice and mild countenance." (Revelation 23:17)
Posted by: Sam B | December 5, 2008 8:24 AM
Grow your beard longer, wear chainmail, carry an axe, and claim you are a dwarf.
Remember to quaff twice your weight in beer (that is, drink the beer in such a wet fashion that you only actually consume the amount of beer you would normally drink) and be eternally angry and it should convince them.
Posted by: Christie | December 5, 2008 8:27 AM
You could always get some temporary tattoos and fake scary... here's one of a squid
Posted by: Ray S. | December 5, 2008 8:30 AM
From the provided link:
I guess that policy doesn't apply to visitors.
Posted by: Jeff Eyges | December 5, 2008 8:30 AM
Trivia: Mr. Rogers was a music major at Rollins.
Posted by: craig | December 5, 2008 8:31 AM
I had some awesome temporary octopus tattoos that I bought in FL when visiting my nieces... in fact, I think there's one left still in their house. Maybe my sister would let you come get it?
Of course, it would be dangerous... the house is full of my brother-in-law's Sixpack Chopra, FenShui and Reikki books and crystals and triangle portals and such... you might burst into flames upon setting foot in the door.
Posted by: amstrad | December 5, 2008 8:36 AM
" There are days I wish I were 6'6" "
Not if you're flying, you don't... (I'm 6'7")
Posted by: HidariMak | December 5, 2008 8:37 AM
There are days I wish I were 6'6" with tattoos and leather and a voice that was all iron and fury
The voice can be pulled off easily enough. You just need some hexaflouride for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XbjFn3aqE
Posted by: Karen | December 5, 2008 8:37 AM
Sorry he's getting bent out of shape over it - I think that'll be the talk I can make it to, so hopefully i'll get to see some fireworks.
Or maybe we can just prove to him that there are *lots* of teddy bears that don't particularly care for sky fairies.
Posted by: Hal in Howell MI | December 5, 2008 8:43 AM
How many anti-christs can be sustained at one time? It seems the field has become awfully crowded recently with the addition of Obama to the list. Hope you don't get squeezed out, PZ.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 8:50 AM
PZ, I think this tattoo would be perfect.
Posted by: Mike Haubrich, FCD | December 5, 2008 8:50 AM
Just imagine the mischief you could raise with a pair of red tinted contact lenses.
Posted by: Robert Sutton | December 5, 2008 8:57 AM
raving loons..... ......all around
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 8:58 AM
How exactly does a loon become raving?
Posted by: Barry | December 5, 2008 9:01 AM
What a silly post. You don't need to be six foot six with tattoos and leather, and voice of iron and fury. That is a wholly false myth. It's as stupid as picturing and regarding Arnold Schwarzenegger made up in his absurd "Commando" movie suit as a real war hero; when the truth is the sub-stature and child-like in appearance Audie Murphy was the real life war hero. You should reflect on the words of C. S. Lewis: "The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid dens of crime that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, and carried) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice." Of course some images do not fit (like the smooth-shaven cheeks, and possibly the cut fingernails), but the meaning is clear.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 9:09 AM
Doesn't get sarcasm and quotes C.S.Lewis.
Awesome.
Posted by: mayhempix | December 5, 2008 9:12 AM
PZ. Just let one of your tentacles slip out from under your coat.
That should stir things up a bit.
Posted by: AJ Milne | December 5, 2008 9:16 AM
While the hygiene observations are still true, it seems to me the contemporary picture of behaviour is somewhat more varied. The worst among us do indeed like to raise their voices, depending on the occasion. When wishing to appear sobre and serious and ever so concerned for the state of their flock's (and everyone else's) souls, they may well speak softly, if nauseatingly patronizingly. When wishing to polarize and enrage their bought followers, they may well scream and shriek--and there may be hardly a break to take a breath between these modes. Demagoguery requires a certain artistic range. Smoothly oiled charm where appropriate, a faux-bureaucratic concern for tradition where appropriate, and yes, rabies where appropriate. The practiced power-monger, whether he relies directly upon a religious tradition or not (though so many do), does well to master all three.
Posted by: WRMartin | December 5, 2008 9:16 AM
Ah, C.S. Lewis- the authority on all things inane.
Posted by: mayhempix | December 5, 2008 9:20 AM
Let me guess...
hmmm he's a fundie Christian who only sees black and white?
Posted by: Bob | December 5, 2008 9:22 AM
I dunno where my head was at, but I clicked on the link to the page for the Dean of Rollins and saw the link there at the bottom left entitled "The Great Organ" and the first thing that came to mind was "Wow, this guy sure has delusions of grandeur."
Posted by: ennui | December 5, 2008 9:23 AM
You should just call Hitchens and see if he's busy this weekend.
Posted by: Bob | December 5, 2008 9:26 AM
Errr, make the the link for the Dean *of the Chapel* at Rollins...
Posted by: Nick Gotts | December 5, 2008 9:30 AM
It's very useful when commenters quote or cite C.S. Lewis - you know immediately you're dealing with a religidiot.
Posted by: DaveH | December 5, 2008 9:33 AM
Academic teddy-bears for rational investigation!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7767376.stm
Posted by: Chris | December 5, 2008 9:34 AM
Don't doubt the religious folk in Orlando/Winter Park. I went to a debate between Michael Ruse and some other guy I cant remember who, but the ignorant were out in numbers. I didnt help that it was at Valencia community college which was across the street from a christian school. When someone asks how did plants get so dispersed, you know there are morons in the wings.
Posted by: Fez | December 5, 2008 9:36 AM
You promise not to jump up in the middle of a service to present a lecture on transitional forms and he promises not to froth and rage in the middle of your presentation. I'm confident you have the self-control to hold up your end of such a bargain; does he?
Posted by: David Harper | December 5, 2008 9:36 AM
Maybe the Dean of the Chapel is annoyed because you're speaking at the same time he's presiding over Christmas Vespers, and he thinks you're going to steal his audience? ;-)
Posted by: AnthonyK | December 5, 2008 9:37 AM
Dear PZ, may I suggest you simply pray for increased height and indelible skin ink? This, if it happened, would surely settle this religion thing once and for all (and no cheating mind - stacked shoes and transfers don't count. I for one would believe if this happened to you. And think how your new image would impress christians and athiests alike!
I await with bated breath god's final triumph over reason.
Posted by: BobbyEarle | December 5, 2008 9:39 AM
ennui @29...
That would work. Maybe bring along that Blake Stacey monster, too.
Teh Ebil Triumvirate.
Posted by: breadmaker | December 5, 2008 9:42 AM
thank you for clarifying your manner...
i was having trouble interpreting your smile in your picture... teddy bear vs. cheshire cat
Posted by: Darth Wader | December 5, 2008 9:56 AM
Who does this story piss off...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97537385&ps=bb3
?
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 10:01 AM
Doesn't piss me off at all.
Makes me snicker.
Sort of a Muttley style of snickering.
Posted by: Darth Wader | December 5, 2008 10:05 AM
Well I guess veggie tales is far worse.
Posted by: Graculus | December 5, 2008 10:06 AM
It's very useful when commenters quote or cite C.S. Lewis - you know immediately you're dealing with a religidiot.
Well, bits of the Screwtape Letters are realy funny if read the *wrong* way.
Posted by: Christophe Thill | December 5, 2008 10:06 AM
I just HAD to make the Henry Rollins joke. than I saw that someone had been quicker. Pharyngulists are really difficult to outwit...
Posted by: Benjamin Geiger | December 5, 2008 10:10 AM
Graculus @ #42:
I actually like "Screwtape Proposes a Toast". In everything but religion he makes good arguments.
Posted by: Christophe Thill | December 5, 2008 10:11 AM
#39 : Actually I'm all for promotion of the Bible. The more people read it thoroughly, the more they'll understand how horrible it is, and how hopeless it is to try and derive moral rules from it.
I suggest a variant of "The Green Bible". Instead of printing in green the passages related to the environment (or thought to be so), we should print in red the ones with the blood and guts.
Posted by: tsg | December 5, 2008 10:20 AM
Of course an ad exec would try to make it more appealing by changing the packaging rather than addressing the content.
Although, seeing that he at least claims to be secular, Christophe @45 may have a good point: maybe he's trying to get more people to see what a load of crap it is.
Posted by: Tep | December 5, 2008 10:27 AM
It's very useful when commenters quote or cite C.S. Lewis - you know immediately you're dealing with a religidiot.
Doesn't get sarcasm and quotes C.S.Lewis.
Let me guess...
hmmm he's a fundie Christian who only sees black and white?
So I look back and try to figure out what happened that deserves such a strong reaction (poor CS Lewis), and I find a post by Barry that seems pretty innocuous to me. Even a bit informative. (Perhaps it didn't come across as sufficiently subordinate to PZ to some).
It's a shame that people do this, but behaving like it's more important to separate the in-group and the out-group (like these posters are doing with their name-calling) instead of reading people's posts respectfully for their meaning and intent (though no doubt some posts do deserve ridicule, but this isn't one) is something I really hate to see in the atheist community.
Posted by: antaresrichard | December 5, 2008 10:34 AM
#39 Good News for Modern Man or The Way again??
Gee, I wish hadn't tossed that other pop New Testament written in late sixties and early seventies slang. It would have been a riot if not a rot to read today.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 10:34 AM
I see you've quoted me.
I don't think you read Barry's post for meaning or intent.
And you obviously then did not read my in the same vein.
yawn. No one here is subordinate to PZ. If there are any they need to get a life. If you spent any time reading posts you'll see people here frequently disagreeing with PZ. That comment shows you to be ill informed.
And, your concern is noted.
Posted by: Darth Wader | December 5, 2008 10:39 AM
And he said unto them, far out man.
Posted by: just john | December 5, 2008 10:42 AM
Hey PZ, you're in Minnesota, how 'bout hiring pro wrestler Ric Steiner or his brother to show up first, claiming to be you?
Also, if you're up to antichrist status, how long until you get to be Santa?
Posted by: RamblinDude | December 5, 2008 10:46 AM
"There are days I wish I were 6'6" with tattoos and leather and a voice that was all iron and fury...but it's just not my thing."
I wouldn't worry about it. If you just keeping doing your thing, you'll single-handedly transform the mild-mannered teddy-bear-look into something TERRIFYING!!!
(Or you could just show up in your Hawaiian shirt, Bermudas and flip-flops.)
Posted by: Janine ID AKA The Lone Drinker | December 5, 2008 10:47 AM
With a quick skim, I read "Bible Illuminated" as "Bible Illuminati" and though how interesting it would have been id Robert Anton Wilson and Bob Shea rewrote the bible. Discordia and Jehovah. Adam and Eve and the Golden Apple stamped with a "K.
Posted by: llewelly | December 5, 2008 10:48 AM
Surely you can scrounge up a white lab coat and a beaker of bubbly green Evil ChemicalsTM ?Posted by: Blake Stacey | December 5, 2008 10:51 AM
Yikes.
Of all the things I didn't expect to happen before lunch today, the two which have impressed me most have been my induction into the Hitchens league and my receiving the comment, "Is this testing whether I'm a replicant or a Muslim, Mr. Deckard?" Truly, the world is a strange place to visit.
Posted by: Glen Davidson | December 5, 2008 10:53 AM
Somehow "atheist" just isn't a very scary term. Sort of conjures up, well, PZ Myers and the like. Over-the-head arguments are perhaps their scariest weapons.
You really have to go for the supernatural to start frightening folk, since even if they don't believe it's real, the warped minds that do can be damned scary.
The fear atheists provoke mainly involves tedium (not for intellectuals, but those are rare enough). You're going to have to go for the supernatural (unconventional works best, although it gets harder and harder to really be unconventional) if you really want to scare someone. An irate chaplain or two just isn't good enough.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Janine ID AKA The Lone Drinker | December 5, 2008 10:53 AM
All PZ needs is this to convince the goods folks that is is not to be messed with.
Posted by: charles | December 5, 2008 10:53 AM
the dean of the chapel? is that a joke?
Posted by: Somerville | December 5, 2008 11:00 AM
Google "Bob Bitchin", ex-biker, publisher of Latitudes & Attitudes magazine.
One evening in Annapolis, a group of us marine professionals were dining with Bob and Jody. As I walked to our table trailing Bob, it came to me that I could be naked and most people would still be staring at him. Maybe only 6'5", but has the beard and definitely has the tattoos.
Posted by: druidbros | December 5, 2008 11:01 AM
If I remember correctly Thinkgeek used to sell a 'Dr Evil' labcoat you could wear.
Posted by: Anomic Entropy | December 5, 2008 11:06 AM
Rev BDC @ #3 -
Maybe we should record some sound bits for you to use when needing to portray Mr. big mean nasty evil atheist puppy eater.
But where do you find the big mean nasty evil puppies and why would he eat them? ;^p
Posted by: Nick Gotts | December 5, 2008 11:06 AM
Tep@47,
What did you take to be the point of Barry's comment? It just looked like a standard content-free troll's sneer to me. C.S. Lewis is dead, by the way, so unlikely to be affected by my comment; I simply find it surprising and amusing how many Christians believe he's some kind of significant thinker.
Posted by: estraven | December 5, 2008 11:27 AM
Ok, so am I the only pervert here who put together bear, leather and tattoo and imagined PZ giving a talk in a gay bar?
Posted by: tsg | December 5, 2008 11:39 AM
Do you mean the post that interpreted literally something spoken figuratively in an effort to refute it and then quoted a vapid statement by a man most known for starting with a conclusion and inventing arguments to defend it rather than letting the arguments lead to the conclusion? That was informative?
Do I sense some projection here?
Yawn. Your concern is noted.
Posted by: Smitha | December 5, 2008 11:40 AM
you could tattoo a small "666" thats not easily visible but convenient enough to flaunt among believers!!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 11:42 AM
Stupid grammar.
/fist shake
Posted by: Helioprogenus | December 5, 2008 11:53 AM
You should have Lemmy Kilmister from Motorhead appearing instead of you (at least long enough to get the religious morons crapping their pants). He has the gravelly voice, the generally fearsome appearance, and with a little added incentive, he'll sing one of his anti-religion songs like God is not on your side.
Posted by: druidbros | December 5, 2008 11:54 AM
Posted by: Lee Picton | December 5, 2008 11:59 AM
Um, so what did the dean have to say about your visit? I can't find any comments.
Posted by: MrMarkAZ | December 5, 2008 12:03 PM
Take a box of Triscuits as a peace offering?
Posted by: negentropyeater | December 5, 2008 12:04 PM
O/T :
Can't pay your debt because of the economic recession ?
Why not do the same as Donald Trump: claim it's an act of God ?
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/trump-sees-act-of-god-in-recession/
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 12:05 PM
pfffffffft
That's ridiculous because everyone knows that Lemmy is God.
Posted by: Janine ID AKA The Lone Drinker | December 5, 2008 12:10 PM
Alright! Stop it! I now have images of PZ dress up in black leather, tattooed and pierced and singing Orgasmatron.
sniff
It is true, atheist are evil!
Posted by: Janine ID AKA The Lone Drinker | December 5, 2008 12:13 PM
Yikes!
Posted by: arensb | December 5, 2008 12:24 PM
Johnny Vector @ #7:
It'd be just like talk.origins: Rollins could tell the creationists they're fucking morons, and PZ can supply the "...and here's why" part.
I learned an awful lot from people at t.o going stompy-stompy on creationists. It's like a cross between a science lecture and the Jerry Springer show.
Posted by: FastLane | December 5, 2008 12:24 PM
PZ is probably on the plane to FL already, so he won't see most of these comments for a bit.
I'd like to echo the question about what information was imparted unto PZ, and by what means (friendy phone call?) about this dean. There is no info on the link provided.
The dean probably didn't make any official statements, but I imagine anything he said would get around quickly, we have people everywhere, ya know.... >:-)
Posted by: Darth Wader | December 5, 2008 12:28 PM
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w355/darthwader_2008/millitant.jpg
You could show them what militant atheist really means.
Posted by: BobC | December 5, 2008 12:51 PM
I'm about to fly away, and I got word last night that the Dean of the Chapel at Rollins is suddenly getting quite irate about my visit.
The Dean of the Chapel must know he's a waste of money who should be fired. PZ is a threat to his worthless career.
Posted by: Scott from Oregon | December 5, 2008 1:03 PM
Actually, the mild mannered approach is far more effective.
Using th eword "actually" quit eoften also helps.
(or ummm...)
Posted by: mayhempix | December 5, 2008 1:18 PM
Posted by: Tep | December 5, 2008 10:27 AM
"So I look back and try to figure out what happened that deserves such a strong reaction (poor CS Lewis), and I find a post by Barry that seems pretty innocuous to me. Even a bit informative."
- Let's see here... Barry starts off by saying "What a silly post." He then gets to "It's as stupid as picturing..." and then quotes C.S. Lewis to make an irrelevant point that had nothing to with PZ's. Oh how informative and not worthy of a reaction...
"I really hate to see in the atheist community."
-Classic concern troll line. Definitely an "atheist" too...
"(though no doubt some posts do deserve ridicule...)"
-
Posted by: mayhempix | December 5, 2008 1:21 PM
#80 should have ended with:
"(though no doubt some posts do deserve ridicule...)"
- (cough, cough... snicker)
Posted by: firemancarl | December 5, 2008 2:22 PM
Well, i'll be there tomorrow. I am only 6'2" and 255. I don't have any tattoos though :( So, firefighter t-shirt or atheist/Darwin t-shirt? That tis the question?
Maybe I can come of as the brutish/militant-atheist. Yeah, I like the sound of that!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 2:28 PM
I can't help it but the more I see the title of this post the more I think of this song.
Posted by: Casey S | December 5, 2008 3:39 PM
Militant atheist
http://plaza.ufl.edu/cschmidt/Militant.jpg
Posted by: Tep | December 5, 2008 5:14 PM
Whatever people, the CS Lewis post managed to call PZ the greatest evil in funny way, and then there were a bunch of responses that just called the poster names. Just hit me as being very in-group sounding.
And also, are there people who really think everything CS Lewis said is automatically garbage? That's rather narrow thinking, IMO. I found the quote reasonably true (and I don't mean how it was applied to PZ).
Posted by: Nick Gotts | December 5, 2008 5:34 PM
are there people who really think everything CS Lewis said is automatically garbage Tep
"Well, I don't know the context of Barry's quote:
"The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid dens of crime that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, and carried) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice."
However I can't say I'm impressed. The parenthesized phrase is an unnecessary and clumsy addition: "moved", "seconded" and "carried" are terms specific to debate, generally political debate - but how often are formal debates important in bringing about concentration and labour camps? I simply made a teasing - but true - observation: those who quote C.S. Lewis are almost invariably Christians who consider him an important thinker - a view I find laughable.
Posted by: Orlando_Atheist | December 5, 2008 5:44 PM
Since C.S. Lewis claimed he was an atheist that converted to Christianity it makes sense that Christians would post his writings here. I guess they think that we have some high esteem for C.S. Lewis and if he had a reason to do something we should too. Ineffective, but predictable.
Posted by: Kel | December 5, 2008 5:46 PM
I don't think everything he wrote was garbage, I just have no respect for his apologetics after reading the trilemma.
Posted by: Jenny Ashford | December 5, 2008 7:12 PM
Well, I have two tattoos (Anubis and a barn owl), but I'm a girl and I'm only 5'2", so I don't think I'll be much help. But I'll be at Rollins with my fearsome snarl all the same.
Posted by: Benjamin Geiger | December 5, 2008 7:16 PM
Hello from seat 113 (center section, far rear right (from your perspective)).
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM | December 5, 2008 7:20 PM
Because people agree?
So when people happen to agree on something it's group-think?
Posted by: mandrake | December 5, 2008 9:33 PM
estraven @ 63 wrote -
Well, when I read the post I was thinking "Hm, surely I have a friend or two who can do 'Bear Eye for the Straight Atheist Professor Guy.'" Why, just a pair of leather chaps and a quick hanky code lesson would do wonders! And, come to think of it, wouldn't a leather bear be even more likely to scare a bunch of creationists?
Posted by: Zeekster | December 6, 2008 12:35 AM
I just got home from meeting PZ, and I must say, he is even more cute and docile looking than I had imagined. Kawaii!
Posted by: RickrOll | December 6, 2008 12:58 AM
"Of course, it would be dangerous... the house is full of my brother-in-law's Sixpack Chopra, FenShui and Reikki books and crystals and triangle portals and such... you might burst into flames upon setting foot in the door."-craig#13
Actually wouldn't he turn into the Incredable Hulk? you know, rage and destruction, the whole bit.
"It's very useful when commenters quote or cite C.S. Lewis - you know immediately you're dealing with a religidiot."- Gotts #31
"Doesn't get sarcasm and quotes C.S.Lewis.
Let me guess...
hmmm he's a fundie Christian who only sees black and white?"- mayhempix#27
That's absurd. Charles Ludgwig Dodson had a lolita complex. And he was far from a reasoned person as far as religion goes. Alices Adventures Underground (and all subsequent versions) was the first real children's tale that didn't espouse any sort of moral to it at all.
Ironically, all this mess over Harry Potter, The Golden Compass, Eragon (unusually little discusion there- the elves are Atheists HA HA HA) all stem from this fisrst story about a little girl [read Alice Liddel] who discovered an inchanted world, quite by accident. From athieism, back to Christ, then a return to our roots.
Posted by: RickrOll | December 6, 2008 1:35 AM
The only real kind of curse seems to be my gratuitous spelling errors here. HEY-OH!
Posted by: Iain Walker | December 6, 2008 7:56 AM
RickrOll (#94):
Um, how do we get from C.S. Lewis to Lewis Carroll? Other than by free associating, that is.
Posted by: negentropyeater | December 6, 2008 8:33 AM
Tep,
That you find it "reasonably true" doesn't mean much, it's a cop-out. Who do you think C.S.Lewis was refering to as the people who are responsible for the greatest evil ? Do you think, like Barry, that PZ belongs there ?
Posted by: dan | December 6, 2008 9:35 AM
Hi PZ, welcome to Orl