…and this is a 
I have a horrendous series of connections to get home — Bloomington → Atlanta → Detroit → Minneapolis — and I'm getting these annoying email alerts from the airline every 20 minutes warning me of problems and delays in my various connections. Apparently, there's some storm in Atlanta that is messing up schedules all over the place. So maybe I won't get home. Maybe I'll be trapped in airports for days on end. The best result at this point is that I drag my tired frame home late, late tonight.
So…Open Thread! Fill the void caused by my absence with interesting conversation about whatever you want! I'm sure a creationist or two will show up to hammered at, so have fun.
(On a related note, we do have a surfeit of fools arguing futilely and ignorantly for creationism right now, and maybe it's time to cull the herd a bit. One suggestion is to play Survivor: Pharyngula for a while and vote off a few. Can you come up with challenges our contestants must meet in order to be permitted to preserve their posting privileges?)
Comments
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 1:25 PM
Bacon > everything else.
Thread over. I win.
Posted by: Jeff Eyges
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March 14, 2009 1:25 PM
You're flying from Bloomington to Minneapolis by way of Atlanta? Wouldn't you have been better off just taking a train?
I vote off Barb the creationist harpie. She's already used up all of her chances.
Posted by: Jeff | March 14, 2009 1:26 PM
If intelligent aliens visited the Earth and looked very similar to humans, what effect would that have on evolutionary theory and the idea of a creator?
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 1:27 PM
I suggest that Alan Clarke explain how the Earth is only 6,000 years old yet the source he gave (talking about sedimentary rocks on Mt. Everest) said the Himalayas have been rising for 40 million years.
Posted by: Otto | March 14, 2009 1:27 PM
Here is something to pass time while PZ is away:
Foamy the ill tempered squirrel and his friend Germaine.
http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html
Posted by: Mr.Bojangles | March 14, 2009 1:28 PM
Jesus Christ was an extraterrestrial.
Posted by: JasonTD | March 14, 2009 1:30 PM
Good timing. I just found something that is good for open threads. Did you all catch the Non Sequitur today? ;)
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 1:31 PM
Agreed.
Posted by: I Need Help | March 14, 2009 1:32 PM
Sometimes while listening to music I'll think to myself, "This singer sounds like he/she has really bad breath.", at which point I just have to turn it off
Posted by: Brownian
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March 14, 2009 1:32 PM
Oh no! PZ isn't here to tell us what to do! Without an external source of authority we'll all descend into madness, chaos, and (hopefully) cannibalism.
Ooh-ooh! Let's exchange recipes!
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 1:32 PM
Oh, I see. Blame the storm. Suuuure.
Atlanta's very existence messes up schedules all over the place.
Posted by: Timebender13 | March 14, 2009 1:34 PM
So.... Anyone see any good movies lately?
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 1:35 PM
Stupid storm is making it nasty in Chimpland too.
My big plans for the weekend have been reduced to sitting in front of the computer and watching basketball.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 1:36 PM
I will vote for Barb. I will admit that it is personal.
Posted by: Helioprogenus | March 14, 2009 1:37 PM
I have a highly intelligent friend I play chess with who practically wins every time. Perhaps in the last 2 months of playing over 30 games, I've won 7 or 8 of them. Yet, he consistently believes in a personal god that comes to him in times of need. He works in AI, has two Doctorate degrees, and otherwise seems as rational as possible. Is it perhaps his work related to computer architecture or some form of framework that makes him think the world is similarly under some kind of divine influence? Does he think that there's a master programmer called god?
The depths of indoctrination are unbelievable, and naturally, every discussion we've ever had has spiraled into how science cannot explain everything, how we need something to believe in, and you can't live on evidence alone. Well, it stumps me to this day that someone so rational and cohesive, who also continuously destroys my chess-ego, remains in the irrational fools camp.
What also comes to mind is my father, who was a physicist in his youth, now a self-employed businessman, completely abandoning the scientific method, and because of his distrust of the government, is willing to believe any conspiracy theory that's "hidden" by the mainstream media? He's bought into the 2012 nonsense, and nothing you can do can dissuade him from that belief. Thanks to confirmation bias, he feels all his little pieces of erroneously sourced information is evidence for some major global catastrophe. It's a blind road once you discard evidence, and follow faith. A blind, ridiculously obtuse road that leads farther and farther from the truth. Fuck you blind faith.
Posted by: jpf | March 14, 2009 1:38 PM
Upcoming conference: Ancient of Days / 2009 Roswell UFO Conference, a "Christian Symposium on Aliens". Some of the lectures:
Also, new Christian research findings: Alien abductions can be thwarted by invoking the name of Jesus Christ!
Posted by: eddie | March 14, 2009 1:39 PM
Bacon -> there is no god. Discuss
Also cheeses != e.t. Except the moon.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 1:41 PM
Rustic Pear Tart
Note: Can be made with apples, too (sprinkle w/ dried cranberries before baking.
Makes 2 servings
ACTIVE TIME: 25 minutes
TOTAL TIME: 1 1/4 hours
EASE OF PREPARATION: Moderate
1 large ripe but firm pear, peeled and thinly sliced
1 teaspoon plus 1/3 cup all-purpose flour, divided, plus additional for dusting
2 tablespoons sugar, divided
1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/8 teaspoon grated nutmeg
1/8 teaspoon salt
1/3 cup whole-wheat pastry flour
1 tablespoon cold unsalted butter
2 tablespoons walnut oil or canola oil
1-2 tablespoons cold water
1. Preheat oven to 375 degrees F.
2. Toss pear slices, 1 teaspoon all-purpose flour, 1 tablespoon sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg and salt in a medium bowl.
3. Whisk 1/3 cup all-purpose flour, whole-wheat flour and the remaining 1 tablespoon sugar in a medium bowl. Cut in butter with a pastry cutter or a fork until the mixture resembles coarse meal. Sprinkle oil over the mixture and stir with a fork until evenly combined. Add 1 tablespoon water and stir until the dough just stays together when pressed with a fork; add up to 1 additional tablespoon of water if the dough seems too dry.
4. Line a work surface with parchment paper or a silicone baking mat, generously dust with flour and turn the dough out onto it. Form the dough into a small patty, dust the top with flour and roll into a rustic 10-inch circle, adding more flour if necessary to prevent sticking. Transfer the crust to a baking sheet with parchment paper or baking mat in place.
5. Lay the pear slices in decorative, overlapping circles on top of the crust, leaving a 1-inch border around the edge [IOW, make a pinwheel]. Spoon any remaining pear juice over the slices. Pick up the edges of the crust using a spatula and fold over the pears. The crust will not meet in the center.
6. Bake the tart until lightly browned and bubbling, about 40 minutes. Cool for 10 minutes before serving.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 1:41 PM
interesting postulation.
i must go eat some bacon to consider it
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 1:43 PM
um
where's the bacon?
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 1:43 PM
Janine of the numerous and varying titles has an excellent reason for having Barb go bye-bye. In solidarity with a fellow human being, I switch my vote to kicking Barb the Odious off the universe/
Posted by: Jeff Eyges
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March 14, 2009 1:43 PM
Also, new Christian research findings: Alien abductions can be thwarted by invoking the name of Jesus Christ!
Christian UFO conspiracy theorists. What next?
(Goddamn Christians, infiltrating everything...)
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 1:44 PM
PZ -
I'm not superstitious myself, but wouldn't it be hilarious if GOD is "punishing" you for your inane declaration that Ken Miller is a creationist (Though if this is "punishment", then it pales in comparison to the fact that Bill Dembski has an autistic child.).
On a more serious note, I hope you do get home safely.
Regards,
John
Posted by: IceFarmer | March 14, 2009 1:44 PM
mmmmmmmmm...... bacon. You called it chimp!
@Jeff,
Intelligent life from other forms would disprove organized religion further because, well, various religious books didn't talk about the existence of foreign lands containing natives like North America that we now know existed so intelligent life from a planet in space equals EPIC RELIGIOUS FAIL. The "word" has been grossly insufficient in describing what acutally occurs in the universe, choosing instead to stick to a vary narrow view fashioned allegorically through the stone and bronze ages.
Evolution is a fact, even if their is a creator of somekind (which is doubtful based on the evidence and what people say about said creator). The alien morphological studies would be interesting. However looking like humans and being phenotypically similar to humans is completely different. How do we define similar? 4 limbs and a head? I'm sure there would be more to it than that. Evolution still stands, I doubt there would be any advances in proving a creator. If people are going to start resorting to arguements of "when the aliens come it'll prove Jesus!" I'm going to laugh harder than ever.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 1:44 PM
Perhaps pigs think that bacon if proof that evil exists.
Posted by: TigerHunter | March 14, 2009 1:45 PM
@#3 Insufficient data.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 1:46 PM
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
Posted by: PlaydoPlato | March 14, 2009 1:50 PM
BDC said:
True. In fact, whenever I encounter someone who doesn't like bacon, I immediately question both their patriotism and their morals.
Posted by: Ian | March 14, 2009 1:51 PM
Janine has posited a convincing argument for the bannination of Barb. My virtually worthless vote shall help.
Posted by: Jeff Eyges
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March 14, 2009 1:51 PM
Mmmm... sacrilicious... aaargh[drool]... [/homer]
Posted by: arekksu | March 14, 2009 1:52 PM
Recipe suggestion:
People + Ketchup.
Posted by: IceFarmer | March 14, 2009 1:52 PM
Speaking of Bacon, why is it that many people who are supposedly chosen by God aren't allowed to eat it? I think bacon may truly be my main objection to religion! How could you trust someone that doesn't like/eat bacon? Chimp, you are a genius!!!!
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 1:52 PM
We're mainly liburl atheists here, our patriotism and morals get questioned every day.
Posted by: PZ Myers
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March 14, 2009 1:54 PM
John Kwok: Get bent.
Posted by: amphiox | March 14, 2009 1:56 PM
If we humans off ourselves sometime in the next 200 years, and say, 250 million years from now, some intelligent species of cephalopod becomes the next technological civilization on earth, how much of their understanding of evolution be impeded/affected by the consequences of our activities?
What would they make of:
Discovering the remnants of some human museum, with the rabbit exhibit jumbled with the Ediacaran section? Or say the fossil of some unfortunate curator holding a pikaia specimen in his hand?
The descendants of zebra mussels in North America, brown tree snakes in Guam, etc?
The free-living, unicellular amoeboid descendents of immortalized mammalian cell lines (like HeLa) that escaped from laboratories and managed to survive?
Or the descendents of full-blown synthetic organisms that escaped from some near-future lab?
Surviving descendents or fossils of any domestic species upon which we've done substantial genetic modification?
Assume, to make things harder for them, that by 250 million years there is virtually no recognizable remaining evidence of human technological activity, just the biological consequences of our various meddlings. (And assume to make it even harder, that by chance, they are not lucky enough to have discovered any fossils of human skulls, with our tellingly large braincases.)
In short, how would an honest scientist determine the existence of real intelligent design at some point in the history of an otherwise naturally evolved biosphere?
Posted by: Arkady | March 14, 2009 1:56 PM
Had some Jehovah's witnesses knock at my front door this morning. Fun :-D
Think i got most of my ammo from reading discussions on here too, especially on the origins of the lethal attitudes to blood transfusions. They even raised intelligent design, told them that from my perspective as a PhD student in virology that I see it more as malevolent design.
Also, local supermarket had nice bacon on offer. Yay tasty soup.
Posted by: Hank Fox | March 14, 2009 1:58 PM
How about a SIMPLE recipe?
Easy Stewed Chicken for the Non-Cook
In large slow-cooker pot, put:
1 can Campbell's Cream of Celery
1 can Campbell's Cream of Mushroom
1 can Campbell's Cream of Broccoli
1/2 the liquid recommended on the cans, milk or water
2 lb. or so boneless, skinless chicken breasts and/or thighs
Cook for 6-8 hours on low, stirring occasionally. Serve over rice.
Unbelievably good. Cheap. Also good reheated.
Heed the College Roomie Rule for Doing Dishes:
Him that cooketh, he washeth not.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 1:59 PM
Toad In The Hole
* 1 1/2 cup plain flour
* 2 eggs
* 1 1/2 cup milk
* 1 tbsp oil
* 1 lb pork sausage (long pork, if you have it)
* salt and pepper
Pre-heat oven to 425ºF. Sift flour into a bowl with a pinch of salt and pepper. Make a well in the center of the flour. Whisk the eggs and the milk into the center of the well in the flour, gradually to smooth out lumps. Cover and let stand 30 minutes.
Brown the sausages in oil and cook through, about 10 minutes
Put sausages in a roasting pan, pour the batter over the sausages and place in oven. Cook for about 20 minutes or until the batter is risen and golden. Serve at once.
Serves 4-6
Posted by: Matt Penfold | March 14, 2009 2:00 PM
Kwok vomited:
So Miller is not religious after all and does not believe that his god was involved in anyway in the origins of life and the universe ?
I have listed to Miller and that does not seem to be what he says. Sure you got it right ?
Just to give you a clue, the term creationist does apply only to people who think the earth is 6000 years old. It applies to anyone who thinks that god had a role in the process.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:02 PM
Well since I have successfully steered a good portion of this discussion to the one true god, bacon...
Here is my recipe for making bacon.
And here are the top ten quotes about bacon, from Homer Simpson. A man who my wife thinks I am patterned after.
1. “(Lisa) “I’m going to become a vegetarian” (Homer) “Does that mean you’re not going to eat any pork?” “Yes” “Bacon?” “Yes Dad” Ham?” “Dad all those meats come from the same animal” “Right Lisa, some wonderful, magical animal!”"
2. “Porkchops and bacon, my two favorite animals.”
3. “When you’re in my house you shall do as I do and believe who I believe in. So Bart butter your bacon.”
4. “Is it Bacon Day?”
5. “Mmmm. Move over, eggs. Bacon just got a new best friend - fudge.”
6. “Not again! First you took away my Philly Fudgesteak. And then my Bacon Balls. Then my Whatchamachicken. You monster!”
7. Homer: I’ll have the smiley face breakfast special. Uhh, but could you add a bacon nose? Plus bacon hair, bacon mustache, five o’clock shadow made of bacon bits and a bacon body.
Waitress: How about I just shove a pig down your throat?
(Homer looks excited)
Waitress: I was kidding.
Homer: Fine, but the bacon man lives in a bacon house!
Waitress: No he doesn’t!
8. “[strained] You know that feeling you get when a thousand knives of fire are stabbing you in the heart? I’m having that right now…[normal] Ooh, bacon!”
9. “Mmm … bacon”
10. “Mmm … unexplained bacon”
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:05 PM
Bacon? Meet inappropriate time for ham!
http://www.teamspecialolympics.com/comic.php?sec=archive&auth=Blurbs&cid=blurbs/00008-itfh.gif&blurb=itfh
Posted by: pdferguson
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March 14, 2009 2:06 PM
Porkchops and bacon, my two favorite animals!
-- Homer Simpson
Let’s see... Farmer Billy’s smoke-fed bacon, Farmer Billy’s bacon-fed bacon, Farmer Billy’s travel bacon… Mr. Simpson, if you really want to kill yourself, I also sell handguns!
-- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Posted by: jpf | March 14, 2009 2:06 PM
One of those Christian UFO lectures, "Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection", is by Gary Bates, who also has a book out by the same name. You can read more about on his site AlienIntrusion.com (which also offers a cool free anti-alien sticker with book purchase.)
He claims that the Bible is "the best UFO book ever written" and has a quiz on the Bible and UFOs.
He's interviewed in an article titled "Aliens in your bedroom?" published in the creationist peer-reviewed journal Creation:
Bates also apparently hints that the Intelligent Designer was an alien.
So... has the Discover Institute ever invited this guy to join the ID party?
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:08 PM
@ Matt Penfold -
So your definition of "creationist" would include the likes of eminent biologists Francis Collins and Francisco J. Ayala too? Collins has emphasized his interests in both Christianity and evolutionary biology; Ayala substantially less so.
@ PZ -
BTW, Abbie Smith thinks I'm "bent" already. That's too bad, since I'd love to sing to her this Katy Perry song, "I kissed Abbie Smith.... and I liked it".
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 2:11 PM
Man does not live by bacon alone. Some chocolate must come into the diet as well.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:11 PM
Banning - Barb, facilis, and...John Kwok? The first two because they put forward deeply offensive opinions about other people and their morality which they frequently conflate with sexuality, and John because he's just a wanker. Watch out with John, though, PZ because even if he never mentions it, he has powerful and influential friends.
Posted by: TigerHunter | March 14, 2009 2:11 PM
#39 - I'm going to assume you meant "does not apply only"
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:12 PM
@ Matt Penfold -
On a more serious note, I regard my friend Ken Miller as a theistic evolutionist. So would I regard both Francis Collins and Francisco J. Ayala too.
I don't subscribe at all to Ken's religious views, and I have substantial misgivings about how he strives to connect his religious views towards his understanding as to what is - and what isn't - valid science. But, unlike you or PZ, I haven't jumped to the conclusion that Ken is indeed a creationist.
John
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:14 PM
Doesn't the phrase, "Get bent" get rendered meaningless by the fact that people cannot choose their sexuality? Just nitpicking, PZ. :P
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 14, 2009 2:15 PM
So, we've got a chance to name conditions for the theist trolls here to avoid getting voted off the pharyngula petrie dish, or risk the wrath of the Banninator? Can we start considering who goes monkey walk into the surf with weights on after we ban Barb?
Alan Clarke has his work set out for him already. I'd like to see Facilis retain his posting privileges if and only if he can show us that he can construct a valid argument. I won't hold my breath.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:15 PM
See?
Posted by: PlaydoPlato | March 14, 2009 2:15 PM
I'm makin' bacon-topped pizza today.
I hand-ground my flour this morning while Mrs. PlaydoPlato ground some steak up into burger.
The flour is rising as I type this. Once I roll out the dough, I'm going to fold some mozzarella up into the edge of the crust. I plan to add roast bell peppers, the ground beef seasoned with sage and garlic, cheddar and mozzarella, onions, olives, and of course, bacon.
Forget 72 virgins. Just promise me everlasting bacon-pizza and I'll believe anything.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 2:16 PM
Just because you went to Jones Beach with him doesn't mean that he's not a creationist. "Theistic evolutionist" = god did evolution = creationist. QE fucking D.
Posted by: MikeG | March 14, 2009 2:18 PM
Rev, you forgot one from a line or two after #3.
[Homer to Bart} "Bacon up that sausage, boy."
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:18 PM
@52: Also, this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg
I can't be bothered to find exactly how he said it, but I do remember Miller saying something akin to, "I'm a theist in the strictest sense. I believe in a creator, just not a deceptive one."
Posted by: varlo | March 14, 2009 2:18 PM
Although there have been many odious intruders, I did not imagine that I would go so far as to add a vote to expell anyone ... until I read Janine's evidence. Boot the Barb moron.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:18 PM
Butthead, Beavis and ButtHeadIf anyone feels like getting me a present (and you know you want to), I highly suggest the bacon of the month club or anything from here.
thanks
I'll keep an eye out for the post man.
Posted by: Dr Kite | March 14, 2009 2:19 PM
Why oh why do I never stick around until after the 600+ postings of a thread? It seems that it takes the deluded that long to show up and be dismantled- so I see (h/t to Janine, of the Marvelously Modified Monikers) that, as usual, I missed all the fun (so to speak)! So thanks, I guess, for pointing out the ravings of Barb, the god-besotted lunatic to me- I agree that she's so evil that she MUST go. I thought I couldn't get any more angry over the subject of that thread- so DUMP HER- I don't need to see any more of that.
Love, Dr K
Posted by: spondee | March 14, 2009 2:19 PM
"You don't win friends with salad! You don't win friends with salad!"
-The Family
"It's just a little airbourne, it's still good."
-Homer
"Ah, my eye! The doctor said I'm not supposed to get pudding in it!"
-Lenny
Posted by: conelrad | March 14, 2009 2:21 PM
Lay off Kenneth Miller! Anyone who can compare
the Dover trial to Pickett's charge must be on
our side. Also: BLT = nature's most perfect food.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:21 PM
Put the boots to Barb the boorish bullshit artist!
Bees!
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:21 PM
Go and make bread dough, then, and hence, bread, rolls, and pizza.
It's very relaxing, it's part of the compulsory, practical, child-rearing curriculum (and they love it), it's proper magic, and you get to eat the results.
Now, where's my powdered yeast?
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:22 PM
If you are ever in Charleston, you need to go here and get the Pork Trifecta.
Life will never be the same.
Posted by: Matt Penfold | March 14, 2009 2:22 PM
Kwok said,
So your friend Miller does not believe that hos god can actually do anything in the universe ? Do I have that right ?
Once you allow for god to have any role in how the universe came about you are a creationist.
So you seem to be arguing that as Miller is not a creationist he is also not a theist, since a theist believes in a god who has a role in the universe. But then you call him a theistic evolutionist, which is confusing. Do you think you just make up your mind and stick to it ? Either Miller believes god had a role in the creation of the universe or he did not. If Miller believes the former then he is a creationist whether you like it or not.
Also, leave out all this "my friend crap". You just come over as a name-dropping conceited arsehole.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:22 PM
@ Tis Himself -
I've had the privilege of watching Ken Miller debate creationists live in person twice (The first time was his very first debate against a creationist, when I was an upperclassman at our undergraduate alma mater, and he, a recently arrived assistant professor of biology. In fact, I was the sole skeptical - and "Darwinist" - member of an ad hoc "Origins Committee" which had organized this debate; the other committee members were actively involved in the campus chapter of the Campus Crusade for Christ. The second debate pitted him and philosopher Robert Pennock against leading IDiots Bill Dembski and Mike Behe at, of all places, the American Museum of Natural History. NCSE Executive Director Eugenie Scott moderated it.). Neither time did I hear anything from Ken that would have led me to assume that he is a creationist. Nor have I read anything written by him or quoted from a radio or television interview that would lead me to conclude that he is a creationist.
John
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:24 PM
I don't believe you have any friends. Enjoy your disassociative identity disorder.Posted by: SC, OM | March 14, 2009 2:24 PM
Bigtime creep.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:25 PM
Kwok, damn it.
Quite creeping up by bacon thread you asshole.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:26 PM
@65: As soon as my comment was posted, Disassociative by Marilyn Manson began playing on VLC Media Player, and I realized I meant so spell it dissociative. Oh well.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:27 PM
@ Matt Penfold,
AnthonyK is right, I do have some important, notable and influential friends. But I have no need to brag about them, unlike, for example, PZ, who does remind us often that he's a good friend of Clinton Richard Dawkins. Ken Miller teaches introductory biology and cell biology at our undergraduate alma mater. I've attended alumni functions held in his honor. We keep in touch when we can, usually via e-mail. He is my friend.
John
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 2:28 PM
Uh Oh!
Posted by: MikeG | March 14, 2009 2:29 PM
Fuck's sake Kwok, you're worse than the kid who brags that his dad is a doctor.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 2:29 PM
Bacon and blue eggs...mmmmm!
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:29 PM
@64: Argument from ignorance!
You're claiming a lack of evidence of his beliefs allows you to know his beliefs.
Posted by: RamziD | March 14, 2009 2:30 PM
'Tis Himself, where are you from?
There are miniature versions of "Toad in a Hole" we have in the south called "pigs in a blanket"....mmmmmmmm....
Posted by: nemryn | March 14, 2009 2:30 PM
As long as we've got an open thread, could somebody explain 'Poe's law' for me? I see it mentioned a lot here, but never with any kind of definition. I assume it's something along the lines of 'A sufficiently advanced parody of creationism is indistinguishable from the real thing', right? Also, why is it called a Poe; the Purity Of Essence guy from Dr Strangelove, maybe?
Posted by: Lulu | March 14, 2009 2:31 PM
...you're getting from Illinois to Michigan through Atlanta?
That's fucked up. I'm sorry.
Well, enjoy your time in Blo-No! Great talk last night. :)
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 14, 2009 2:31 PM
Ken Miller may be our creationist as contrasted with the buttholery of the Disco Boys, on our side of the thin edge of The Wedge Document, but anybody who thinks the findings of science reveals "what and how Goddidit" is a creationist.
And Francis FCCing Collins might know how to work as an administrator in Big Science, but if you've encountered any of his prating drivel about religion, you already know his critical thinking skills wouldn't pass muster in a third grade classroom. He may have once had a brain, but for all he's using it now it may as well be made of mucus.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 2:31 PM
Uh oh! Chongo!
Posted by: Cthulhu's minion | March 14, 2009 2:32 PM
Rev i will see your bacon and raise you this http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/food/1259952,FOO-News-det05.article
And PZ here in the south the joke was even a flight to hell has an hour layover in Atlanta.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:32 PM
Quit that is..
/sigh
Ok that's it. I'm going to have to make this tonight.
Cider Braised pork belly
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:32 PM
@ SC,OM -
Actually this Katy Perry hit is more indicative of my former friendship with Abbie:
"Hot N Cold"
If anyone is a "Bigtime Creep", then it's Mikey Behe for dissing her at Amazon.com, referring to her as a vicious "Mean Girl".
I'm just sorry that we're no longer friends.
John
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:33 PM
Who made this a Kwok thread?
Oh.
Well, can I save us all a lot of time? It doesn't matter if Ken Miller is a "creationist" or not, he's still a good guy. But now we get John blundering in here, throwing around the names of all this famous freinds and mentors, protesting about the abuse he recieves and going on and on and on and on about how shabbily he's treated. And then PZ has to come back and tell him, then it starts all over again.
BOOOOOOORING.
More recipes, less Kwoking.
Please?
Posted by: Matt Penfold | March 14, 2009 2:34 PM
Kwok,
You do understand what the term creationist means right ?
If you insist on saying Miller is not a creationist will you confirm that by that Miller does not allow for any role for god in the creation of the universe and the origins and evolution of life. If you cannot confirm that you will need to explain why you been dishonest in your earlier claims.
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 2:34 PM
#20 is my favorite comment in this thread so far.
And I enthusiastically support the sentiment in #21.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:34 PM
@82:
I'm guessing, the kook.
Posted by: menocreationist | March 14, 2009 2:34 PM
@ # 10: Babby or Adult
Adults are a tougher so tenderizer is an integral part of the recipe.
@# 31: I tried that. Not really a good mixture, honey mustard is much better.
@# 44: chocolate tastes great with people
Bye, I'm unexplainably hungry for bacon now and must go hunt through the fridg.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:35 PM
Cthulhu's minion, that's frightening.
I want some.
Posted by: Xtine | March 14, 2009 2:36 PM
I have nothing intelligent to say about creationism vs evolution... yet. Currently I've got my mind on Jesus bling, but will eventually get around to saying something intelligent about my formative years schooled in creationism... by an creationist uncle who taught HS Science... one of those teachers that fights for creationism to be taught in MN schools... eventually i'll get around to that story.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:37 PM
By the way, I've been off /b/ for a couple of weeks and just suffered a 4chan relapse. If I start to get annoying, someone with an OM say so, because I'm not going to listen to anyone else. :P
Posted by: PlaydoPlato | March 14, 2009 2:37 PM
Chimp said:
From the Menu:
Sweet Jebus on a pogo stick! Now I know why people go on religious pilgrimages. This place sounds like the Mecca of pizza.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:38 PM
IT
IS
NOT
A
KOOK THREAD
IT IS A BACON THREAD OR AT THE LEAST A PORKY GOODNESS THREAD.
Let us get back on topic.
Posted by: Rey Fox | March 14, 2009 2:38 PM
John's mom thinks he's cool.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:39 PM
Does anyone else thing the use of the phrase "Pork barrel" is slanderous to our porcine palettes?
Posted by: raven | March 14, 2009 2:39 PM
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 2:39 PM
Uh Oh Love Comes To Town
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:40 PM
Nemryn
Poe's Law
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:41 PM
@ AnthonyK,
I haven't been mentioning my "mentors", with the notable exception of Ken Miller of course. He's the one responsible for getting me interested in going after the Dishonesty Institute IDiots.
@ Matt Pemfold,
If I didn't understand what a creationist is, then why do you think I've spent a lot of time online elsewhere attacking them?
As for Ken, he's promised me that he'll explain how he reconciles his religious and scientific beliefs. But that's an explanation he will be sharing with me and with one other skeptic. Once I receive it, I won't be divulging it to you or anyone else.
If that's not satisfactory to you, then I suggest you take it up with Ken. You can look up his e-mail address here at:
http://www.brown.edu
Posted by: abeja | March 14, 2009 2:41 PM
I vote for Barb (against Barb?). Anyway, stick her on a raft and let her find another island to contaminate, with apologies to the inhabitants of whatever island she lands on next.
Posted by: God Retardent | March 14, 2009 2:42 PM
: Matt
Miller inserts his personal Xtian god at some point in the evolutionary processes, although he never admitts just where. I can never figure out how Miller can demand so much proof for his biological studies for 6 days, then one day a week he demands little or no proof for his religious convictions?
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:44 PM
Eddie Izzard? Death star canteen? Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 2:45 PM
John wrote:
My PhD adviser has been promising me a similar conversation since I was in grad school. I'm still waiting. Maybe Ken will do better.
Posted by: Matt Penfold | March 14, 2009 2:45 PM
Kwok,
You failed to answer my question. I must therefore consider you to be dishonest in making the claims you have. Either Miller rejects the role of god in the formation of the universe and since, or he does not. You have claimed he does reject such a role for his god. It is time for you to support that claim or withdraw it.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 2:46 PM
This is not a love song!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:46 PM
Very. Those bastards.
“Everything in a pig is good. What ingratitude has permitted his name to become a term of opprobrium?”
Grimod de la Reynière (1758-1838)
The pig is "an encyclopedic animal, a meal on legs."
Grimod de La Reynière
"But I will place this carefully fed pig
Within the crackling oven; and, I pray,
What nicer dish can e'er be given to man."
Aeschylus, ancient Greek poet
Posted by: Benjamin Geiger | March 14, 2009 2:46 PM
Arkady @ #36:
Mind sharing some of your arguments against Jehovah's Witlesses? I have a coworker who keeps dodging most of my arguments (mostly since he rejects the KJV).
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 2:48 PM
For one extra bacon point - name the breed of The Empress of Blandings.
No fair googling it. Go!
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 2:48 PM
Oh, this is rich. Someone just told me I don't have the right to say that God doesn't exist.
http://www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/we-all-believe-in-godwe-are-sure-god-is-good#comment_852777
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:48 PM
@ Josh -
I actually did have a good conversation or two with one of my grad school mentors, who is as religiously devout as Ken
(Hint: A highly regarded ecologist who is a professor of ecology at a major Southwestern university.). But we spent a lot more time talking about the "Red Queen", species area effects, and other aspects of ecology and evolutionary biology.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:51 PM
Does anyone know of a betting shop that takes wagere on self-fulfilling prophecies?
And somewhere where I can promote my controversial new theory - that Shakespeare ate Bacon?
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | March 14, 2009 2:52 PM
All cancers are contagious, it's just that humans as a species have a pretty kick ass immune system.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:52 PM
i don't know who that is but I'll guess Berkshire?
Posted by: Jeeves | March 14, 2009 2:53 PM
@Patricia,
It's either Berkshire or Shropshire. Which is it? Per my name, I really should know this!
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:54 PM
Is it just me or
for fuck's sake..............
Posted by: Benjamin Geiger | March 14, 2009 2:54 PM
Could you bake me a country ham
Honey glazed with a side of yams
Leave it in till it’s golden brown
Pineapples all the way around
Let the sweet smell fill the air
Serve it to me in my easy chair
I’m tired of eating imitation Spam
Could you bake me a country ham
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | March 14, 2009 2:54 PM
What's the difference between Jello and Kozyshack puddings.
Kozyshack puddings have structural integrity.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 2:55 PM
@ Matt Penfold -
I haven't looked at Ken's writings lately, but he seems to take a more Deistic approach regarding GOD's role in shaping the universe, as though GOD merely set everything in motion and then allow things to proceed only via Natural Law. Where Ken is on philosophically unstable ground is his assertion that somehow GOD had an "Anthropic Principle" in anticipating the evolution of humanity. If you want to criticize that as a creationist sentiment, then alas, I would have to agree with you.
Posted by: Benjamin Geiger | March 14, 2009 2:56 PM
Whoops, hit "Post" too soon. Meant to add attribution to that: "Bake Me a Country Ham", by Cledus T. Judd.
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 14, 2009 2:56 PM
And somewhere where I can promote my controversial new theory - that Shakespeare ate Bacon?
I thought Shakespeare wrote Bacon a sonnet or three, but I'm unaware of any evidence for cannibali--oh! I get it!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 2:56 PM
As in Francis Bacon?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 2:57 PM
Uh Huh Her
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 2:58 PM
@John. Mine and I were sitting in a hired car in a warm foreign land and we almost got there. We were returning to our hotel from a substantial meal that was well-lubricated with a pretty good rice wine. We were just getting to the meat of the discussion when we arrived the hotel door. The momentum of the conversation was broken and we ended up retiring to our respective rooms. He's been promising to re-engage ever since. But it was a weird and interesting conversation while it lasted.
Posted by: Xtine | March 14, 2009 2:58 PM
@Kobra... thought I recognized you from BC... (infinity symbol)... always stirring the pot on the G-threads... good to see you here.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 2:59 PM
Rev, get yourself to a second-hand book shop and pick up one of Wodehouse's Blandings books...failing that Whiffle on The Care of the Pig is apparently the porcine Bible.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 2:59 PM
She was indeed a Berkshire. :)
Chimpy you need to catch up on your P.G. Wodehouse. The Empress of Blandings was one of the greatest pigs ever.
Posted by: cpsmith | March 14, 2009 3:01 PM
eddie @#17
"Bacon -> there is no god. Discuss"
P1 Bacon->temptation
P2 temptation->Satan
P3 Satan->evil
C1 Bacon->evil
P4 God->perfect creation
P5 evil-> ~perfect creation
C2 evil-> ~God
C1 Bacon->evil
C2 evil-> ~God
C3 Bacon-> ~God
C3 Bacon-> ~God
P6 Bacon
C4 ~God
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 3:01 PM
but... but... that would mean
I WOULD HAVE TO READ
Posted by: SLC | March 14, 2009 3:01 PM
Re John Kwok
If birther John Kwok is such a buddy to Prof. Miller, he would know that the good professor explicitly rejects the description theistic evolutionist. His description of himself is one who accepts methodological naturalism and also philosophical theism. I know this, never having met Prof. Miller, because he said so on a thread on Larry Morans' blog.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 3:02 PM
@ Josh,
Actually reminds me more of a true incident involving a professor of herpetology and his graduate student at my grad school alma mater. They were going out on a hot warm day to collect lizards and the professor told his student not to worry about lunch, since he'd go ahead and buy it. At lunchtime they opened the back of his car and found a partially melted chocolate cake.... which was, of course, the professor's idea of lunch.
Posted by: Blake Stacey | March 14, 2009 3:02 PM
Storm? In Atlanta? The weather I just had to walk through to get to the Tutankhamun exhibit was just drizzly and windy and somewhat miserable. Wouldn't call it a storm, per se.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 3:03 PM
@122:
Nice. I like Pharyngula better than BC. Two reasons:
1. More rational arguments.
2. People don't flip out over profanity here.
I've had posts removed for saying "crap" before. :S
Posted by: Mena | March 14, 2009 3:04 PM
It's only an 11 hour drive. Just sayin'...
Posted by: Kseniya | March 14, 2009 3:05 PM
I wonder if Katy Perry has ever heard of Jill Sobule.
Barb? Barb, the close-minded, contemptible fool? She is amusing on some levels, but has made her case clearly (LOL) and has both stated and demonstrated that she is a) not teachable, and b) is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Barb, Barb, Barb. Perhaps she has worn out her welcome.
I would not miss her if she decided not to come here anymore.
I'd love to see a
debatepie-throwing context between Vox Day and Siruis Knott. The winner gets to go on a date with Michelle Bachmann.(Ok, so I'm feeling perverse today. So crucify me. I'll be back tomorrow anyway.)
Miller? Hmmm. I have him on the "good guy" list. I suppose he's clinging to the notion that God started the whole shebang. Is he suggesting that God is, or has been, tinkering with genes?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 3:05 PM
Just have a sip of ale after every page for medicinal purposes. Maybe you will survive the experience.Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 3:06 PM
@ SLC,
Ken has actually done a bit of dodging and weaving. At one point he did admit to me that he could be construed as a "theistic evolutionist". He may have backed off from that, simply because he didn't want to be compared to legendary French paleontologist - and Roman Catholic priest - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Based on Ken's own writings, I would have to conclude that Ken is indeed a theistic evolutionist, and NOT A CREATIONIST.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 3:06 PM
I was born and raised in Wisconsin. My mother was English (she met my father in England during WW2 and came to the US after the war). I know a fair number of English recipes including how to make vegetables inedible by boiling them for forever.
John Kwok,
I suspect that many of the people here have met first, second or third tier celebrities. But we don't drop names just to appear important. So you have a nodding acquaintance with Ken Miller. I know a place where that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.
Incidentally, I once mentioned on this blog that I know Peter Schiff (if you don't know who he is, don't worry about it, he's not that important) but only because someone with questionable economic knowledge was praising Schiff to the sky. I pointed out that while Schiff was right about one thing, (1) a lot of other people were saying the same thing even before Schiff made his proclamation, and (2) Schiff was wrong about a bunch of other stuff. Other than that, I haven't said anything about the other people I've met. You might consider doing likewise.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 3:07 PM
@134: Okay, shut up. Answer this question.
Does Miller believe that a creator being had any role in the existence of the universe? If yes, he is a creationist. No ifs ands or buts.
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 3:08 PM
@John
Lovely... I actually had a colleague hand me a package of cold hot-dogs once in the field. That was it. Just local hot-dogs in their plastic wrappings. Essentially: "Here they are. This is lunch. Throw it in your pack. Let's hit the rocks."
There is nothing like fieldwork.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 3:09 PM
Beer Bread
1 (12 fluid ounce) can or bottle of beer (the type will influence the bread's flavor - experiment!)
3 cups self-rising flour
3 tablespoons white sugar
DIRECTIONS
1. Preheat over to 350 degrees F.
2. In a large bowl, mix together the sugar and flour. Add beer and continue to mix, first using a wooden spoon, then your hands. Batter will be sticky. Pour into a 9 x 5 inch greased loaf pan.
3. Bake at 350 degrees F for 50 for 60 minutes. The top will be crunchy, and the insides will be soft.
4. Serve with bacon or your pork of choice.
Posted by: ThirdMonkey | March 14, 2009 3:10 PM
PZ said: "Can you come up with challenges our contestants must meet in order to be permitted to preserve their posting privileges?"
I've got one. The creationists must accept the posibility that they might be wrong. Any creationist that starts a comment with "I admit that I might be wrong" can stay.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 3:11 PM
@ Tis Himself -
You're not reading my posts carefully to realize that I am not name dropping. Ken is a friend. End of story, period.
As for my "name dropping" of others, too often I have seen silly, stupid, and quite risible remarks from others who take immense pleasure in "name dropping" my mentors and friends whom I may have noted online elsewhere (I thank GOD that they haven't stopped by my Facebook page. Then they would really have ample food for thought.).
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 3:11 PM
exactly.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 3:11 PM
*wipes coffee off keyboard*
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 3:13 PM
RevBigDumbChimp - The Blandings stories are so funny you won't feel the pain. :)
Stephen Fry is a huge fan of Berkshires, just as a point of trivia.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 3:13 PM
Hear hear! Personally, I am very much pro-fanity.Posted by: The Biologista | March 14, 2009 3:15 PM
Bacon sandwiches very slightly raise one's risk of getting bowel cancer. Surely evidence of the half-assed influence of Satan (et al).
Posted by: MikeG | March 14, 2009 3:15 PM
Comment by John Kwok blocked. [unkill][show comment]
Ahhh. That's better.
Now: Bacon wrapped shrimp:
Big shrimps (no shiggering as the oxymoron)
bacon
sweet onion (vidalia if you can get it.)
skewers (I use bamboo soaked in water for 1/2 hour)
pineapple
favorite BBQ sauce (or make your own, but sweet goes well with this)
cut bacon strips so that they go 'round the shrimp once and a bit. Wrap a shrimp and use skewers to pin the bacon in place. Thread a nice chunk of pineapple next then a chunk of sweet onion, then repeat until the skewer is full. I use 2 parallel skewers, so that nothing rotates when I flip it. brush liberally with BBQ sauce and grill a few minutes on each side. Use some wood chips for some nice smoke if you have em.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em, I say.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 3:16 PM
AnthonyK, you just stole my last drop of sanity.Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 3:16 PM
Bacon is to blame for the most evil commercial ever.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 3:16 PM
Oh 'Tis, that's you told.Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 3:22 PM
On a bacon related note, not quite a recipe, but a tasty preparation nonetheless. Cook bacon to desired done-ness, chop as coarse or fine as you like. Stir through pancake or waffle batter, cook pancakes/waffles and enjoy.
"Lisa, while you live under my roof you do as I do and believe as I beieve...Bart! Butter that bacon!" Later, "Bart, bacon that sausage."
"But Dad, my heart hurts."
Non pork related recipe/preparation. Obtain a Terry's chocolate orange, milk or dark chocolate to your taste. Chop said choc-o-range and stir through brownie batter and bake like normal.
Pork, chocolate and Simpsons quotes. All in all a good thread.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 3:22 PM
Janine #148
You can't blame all bacon for the actions of extremists.
Posted by: Reginald Selkirk | March 14, 2009 3:24 PM
Creationist-bashing opportunity! A Young-Earther who is a fan of the RATE studies and likes to cast doubt on fossils. The blog host is an evolutionist, be at least moderately polite.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 3:24 PM
Oh damn. I had almost forgotten about that.
Poor Darius. Just doesn't know what to do with himself.
Saw him the other day driving his South Carolina gamecock's colored Hummer.
What an asshole.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 3:26 PM
No, but I'm sure that Ayn Rind has a lot to answer for.Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 3:27 PM
.
BLT
2 slices cheap white bread
2 schmeers mayo
2 leaves of crunchy Iceberg lettuce
2 1/4" thick slices ripe field-grown tomato
6 slices of well cooked bacon
DIRECTIONS
1. Smear both slices of bread with the mayo.
2. Gently pllace the lettuce leaves and the tomato slices on the bread.
3. Throw away the bread w/ mayo, lettuce, and tomato and eat the bacon.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 3:27 PM
On the subject of bacon.
I finally found a place that deep-fried it.
It wasn't as good as I'd hoped.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 3:29 PM
Yeah. It's not. Sucks all the goodness out of it.
Posted by: JeffreyD | March 14, 2009 3:29 PM
Best bacon sandwich:
I pound bacon
4 slices bread
half pound lard
half pound butter
In cast iron pan, brown the butter in the lard. Brown the four slices of bread in the butter, remove and place in warm oven.
Cook pound of bacon in leftover lard/butter mixture.
Remove cooked bacon directly to bread.
Yield - two sandwichs.
Spray cheese can be added for flavour.
Enjoy
Arrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhh, my heart, my hea...
Posted by: Ditch | March 14, 2009 3:30 PM
@99: Where? TGLF! How? The monolith! A side-effect of the reorganization of human physiology was an obsession with bacon, not to mention furious winking.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 3:31 PM
Sort of on topic. Pigs and all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UO6YlkYNJQ
Posted by: nemryn | March 14, 2009 3:31 PM
Rev.BigDumbChimp @ 96: Thanks!
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 3:32 PM
Bullshit! You've mentioned several times in a couple of threads that you and Miller are bosom buddies. You've told us about the famous high school you went to, about the famous teachers at that high school, the famous people you went to high school with, the famous people you went to college with, etc., etc., etc.
Does the unproven fact that you're supposedly a friend of Ken Miller have anything to do with Miller being a creationist? No, it doesn't. All it does is show that you're a name dropper.
Posted by: Menyambal | March 14, 2009 3:32 PM
Don't like to read? Get audiobooks. I rip audiobooks to MP3s, load them onto an old speakerphone/cellphone, and put it under my pillow. It is great for nights when the brain just won't stop circling.
Audiobook heaven is Frederick Davidson reading P.G. Wodehouse. Just close your eyes and let it all go.
Speaking of letting go: Kwok, nobody likes you, and the blog owner has told you to get bent. Take a break, and take it far away.
Bacon? My last name should legitimately be Bacon. You guys are creepi . . . umm, bacon.
The more I read (and write) here, the more I realize that life IS evolution, evolution IS life.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 3:35 PM
Barb's back. Why don't you go and talk to her John? She claims that Ken Miller is gay...
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 3:35 PM
Well, Chimpy, here is a song by a fine Carolina based band, The Fetch' Bones, as lip synced by a drag queen.
Stray
That was a fun band.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 3:38 PM
Nah I read. Just normally non-fictiony things. Most of them being technical manuals for software and other incredibly boring topics.
I get burnt.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 3:38 PM
Happy pi day, everyone!
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 3:39 PM
After the bacon:
Crinkled Fudge Truffle Cookies
4 ounce bars semi-sweet baking chocolate
2 Tablespoons butter-flavored shortening
1 Teaspoon instant coffee granules
3 Eggs
1 ¼ Cups granulated sugar
Teaspoon vanilla
Cup chopped pecans
2/3 Cup all-purpose flour
1 Teaspoon ground cinnamon
½ Teaspoon baking powder
¼ Teaspoon salt
Nonstick spray coating
Pecan halves (optional)
Powdered sugar (optional)
In a small saucepan heat and stir chocolate and shortening over very low heat until chocolate melts. Remove from heat. Add coffee and stir until smooth. Cool.
Beat eggs and sugar with an electric mixer on medium to high speed until light and lemon colored (3 to 4 minutes). Beat in chocolate mixture and vanilla. On low speed, beat in pecans, flour, cinnamon, baking powder, and salt until combined.
Spray cookie sheets with nonstick coating. Drop teaspoons of dough 2 inches apart on cookie sheets. Place a pecan half atop each cookie, if desired. Bake in a 350-degree oven for 8 to 10 minutes or until just set on surface (do not overbake). Cool for 1 to 2 minutes; transfer to racks. Cool completely. If desired, sprinkle with powdered sugar.
Recipe makes 54-60 cookies.
Note: I only got about 3 ½ dozen cookies from the recipe.
Posted by: Logicel | March 14, 2009 3:40 PM
Since Barbaric Barb seems to think that elective abortion is unnatural but when her god does it even more frequently than us humans via spontaneous abortions than abortion is natural, the condition for her to fulfill in order to remain posting here is to reject all manmade conveniences and achievements because of their unnaturalness, LIKE EVERYTHING IN HER FUCKING MISERABLE LIFE, for a month.
No, she does not deserve any chance for she is one of most horrid Christians I have ever encountered--stupid, brainwashed, condescending, and very dangerous.
Posted by: fiisi | March 14, 2009 3:41 PM
1) What is with all this shadow life business?
2) PZ said: "Can you come up with challenges our contestants must meet in order to be permitted to preserve their posting privileges?"
Have them write small essays on how gay marriage benefits society, how abortion saves lives, and on the divinity of Kali.
3) Toast, bacon, butter, Open Pit BBQ sauce. Sandwich style.
4) I had lunch with Gina Gershon.
Posted by: chezjake | March 14, 2009 3:41 PM
Man does not live by bacon alone. Some chocolate must come into the diet as well.
Have you been reading the Pi Day recipes? Here's what you want:
http://scienceblogs.com/pontiff/2009/03/spicy_pi_bacon_squared.php
Posted by: Arkady | March 14, 2009 3:43 PM
Nearly-vegan bacon soup:
Ingredients (very, very flexible):
500g yellow split peas, dry weight.
packet of bacon
couple of onions
Sweet potato
Carrots
Any other veg.
Dried apricots
teaspoon curry paste (or spices of your choice)
Fresh coriander
Chuck dried peas in pan of boiling water, and leave to boil while preparing everything else.
Chop up bacon and fry. Chop up onion, transfer cooked bacon out of pan then fry the onion in the bacon fat.
Chop up all other veg. Add all bacon/veg to largest pan you have, then add the peas. Add curry paste, dried apricots and any tough bits of fresh coriander.
Simmer with pan lid on for around 1hr. Stir every once in a while to help break up the peas. When it has reached a good texture with the peas disintegrated, chop up the fresh coriander and add. This quantity has been known to feed up to 8 hungry students, especially if bulked up with potato. Couscous is also good to thicken if it's still a bit runny.
Shockingly, this soup is also quite nice without the bacon when cooking for vegans/vegetarians. The bacon can be cooked separately and added as a topping for those poor souls forced to eat with vegetarians ;-)
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 3:46 PM
I love it already
Posted by: Menyambal | March 14, 2009 3:46 PM
Recipe:
Green Beans with Bacon
Ingredients:
Bacon.
Fresh green beans, cleaned and snapped.
Directions:
Fry bacon until crisp and crumble-able, remove from pan.
Pour off some of the grease, fry green beans in remaining bacon grease. Cover with lid to steam, if desired. Cook to preference.
Crumble bacon into green beans. Toss to mix.
Serves: One.
(My mum, bless her, used to drop a single slice of uncooked bacon in with the beans, and end up with a steamed strip of nasty gunk.)
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 3:46 PM
Kobra: Just read the posting over at BC... Is vijayanths a real person, or has someone ported the old ELiza program to a blog plugin?
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 3:50 PM
Menyambal-
Yummy!
Add sliced shallots.
Yummier.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 3:50 PM
I've already recommended Barb for plonkitude. There's wrong, there's always wrong, and then there's boringly always wrong. I've had her killfiled long-time, but the response to her blah really crufts up threads.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 3:51 PM
@175: I would say artificial intelligence, but what intelligence?
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 3:52 PM
Maple/Apple Cider Brine for pork chops
2 cups boiling water
2 tablespoons salt
1 cup apple cider
1/2 cup maple syrup
1 teaspoon maple extract
1/4 teaspoon ground Allspice
Stir together the salt and boiling water in a medium bowl until the salt dissolves. Refrigerate until cold. Then stir in other ingredients.
Take four (5 oz.) bone-in pork chops and place them in a leak proof ziplock type bag. Pour in the brine. Refrigerate, turning occasionally, for at least four hours. (I leave them over night.)
Remove the chops from the brine, discard the brine. Pat chops dry with a paper towel, and cook them as you like.
Fried apples are a perfect side dish to go with pork done in this brine.
Posted by: RamblinDude
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March 14, 2009 3:52 PM
There was an interesting article on Digg the other day Why Does Anti-Intellectualism Exist? by Steven Dutch, Natural and Applied Sciences, University of Wisconsin - Green Bay. In it he makes some interesting observations that genuine curiosity and creativity are not really all that normal in humans. More often than not, what we do is simply tinker around with stuff and that this is not to be construed with having the attribute of deep curiosity. He makes a case for why anti-intellectualism is so prevalent, and I thought he did a pretty good job it.
(I'm just not into bacon)
Posted by: chezjake | March 14, 2009 3:53 PM
@ RBDC
Here you go, cholesterol heaven (You even get to sauté the bacon in butter.):
Gratin Savoyard
Prep time: 20-25 minutes. Oven time: 20 minutes
Ingredients:
· 2 tbsp. Butter
· 1 1/4 lbs. Potatoes (4 or 5 med. potatoes) (Red unpeeled, or white boilers peeled), cut in 1/2 inch or slighlty larger cubes,
· 1 or 2 medium Onions chopped
· 1/2 lb. Bacon, thick sliced and preferably smoky, cut in 1/4” strips
· 1/2 lb. (or more) coarsely grated cooking cheese - not too strong flavored, but not too bland either.
· 1/2 pt. Heavy Cream
· 1 or 2 cloves of garlic, chopped fine
· 1/2 chicken bouillon cube or 1 tsp. chicken base.
· 1/4 tsp. black pepper (or more)
Pre-heat oven to 425°.
In a sauce pan, cover potatoes with cold water, bring to boil, and cook for 5 minutes. Drain promptly and set aside until called for.
In a heavy bottom non-stick saute pan that can go in the oven ( or use a regular saute pan and transfer to a shallow buttered casserole before adding cheese for finish in oven) melt butter and saute bacon and onions until onions are transparent. Add garlic and pepper and saute one minute more. Add potatoes and toss with bacon and onions to coat with fat. Add cream and bouillon cube/flavor base and bring to a boil, boil rapidly, stirring, for 2 or 3 minutes, until cream is noticeably thickened and reduced. Spread cheese evenly over top, and place immediately into hot oven. Bake for 20 minutes. Let stand about 10 minutes to cool a bit and set up for before serving.
Serves 2 hungry people for dinner, or a lunch/brunch dish for 4.
Possible additions and variations:
· leftover ham, chicken, or sausage, cut in small pieces, added at same time as garlic
· fresh bite sized broccoli or cauliflower florets (about 1/2 lb.), added as above
· fresh mushrooms, sliced and added at end of saute with garlic
· fresh cabbage, sliced thin and added at same time as garlic
· fresh corn, cut from cob (or frozen, defrosted) added with potatoes
· chopped green pepper sauteed with onions & bacon
· sliced ripe olives and/or anchovies added just before cheese
· small amount finely chopped Jalapeño added just before cheese
· omit bouillon and add small can chopped clams (drained) just before cheese
· small dice of pepperoni (not too many) added with garlic
Posted by: Solitas | March 14, 2009 3:53 PM
Did some one say bacon?!
Bacon Explosion
Posted by: JackC
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March 14, 2009 3:53 PM
I am way late to the party, but I just needed to say:
Janine @14:
Damn. I haven't been keeping up, hadn't seen that tripe yet Yeah - I will take one less Barb and three more Janine's please.
JC - Straight, but not narrow.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 4:07 PM
Vegan Bacon Soup? Yummy, sounds delicious!
But where exactly does one get the vegan pigs from?
I'm not strictly a vegitarian, but I do stick to eating animals who were....
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 4:10 PM
I prefer vagitarian myself.
Posted by: Brain Hertz | March 14, 2009 4:13 PM
No, that's something else. "pigs in a blanket" correspond to what Brits call "sausage rolls". As far as I know, Americans without some sort of British heritage generally haven't encountered toad in the hole (unless my wife makes it for them)...
In toad in the hole, the sausages are in batter, not pastry, and it's typically a large dish of batter with the sausages in it.
Both are good, though ;-)
Posted by: Susan | March 14, 2009 4:18 PM
I killfiled Barb a long time ago but agree with Sven-- the blowback to her posts is still annoying. I'd missed Janine's eloquent and impassioned take-down before, too, so thanks for the link. In short, I vote Barb off, and think any other creationist trolls should have to produce proof of a miracle by their invisible sky friend. Put up or shut up. A jury of OMs decides if they pass.
Also, tying together almost all the thread's themes: I ate bacon with Randy Newman at breakfast last week. He's an atheist. We discussed science blogs. I mentioned PZ. Uh oh.
Posted by: Louis | March 14, 2009 4:21 PM
I also vote for Barb.
But as for what hurdles she has to jump through to retain posting privileges....one simple coherent post in which she demonstrates an epistemologically valid method that can distinguish between the actions of her deity and the actions of my chosen Deity Of The Week: The Infinite Bunny of Eternal Fluffiness.
Louis
Posted by: Logicel | March 14, 2009 4:23 PM
SPAETZLE FOR ONE PERSON (Czech/German strip egg dumplings)
INGREDIENTS: eggs, flour, salt, herbs, pepper, butter, Parmesan cheese
TIME: 15-20 minutes.
INSTRUCTIONS:
Place water in a medium pot and put to boil. Beat about 2-3 large eggs in a small mixing bowl. Add and blend enough flour (about a cup) until you get a smooth sticky batter that is too thick to pour but too thin to form into shapes. Add salt, herbs (I use about 1 Tablespoon in total of dried dill, parsley, chives plus one pressed small clove of garlic).
Transfer batter to a flat plate and spread batter out thin to one side of the plate. Using a butter knife, scrap 1.5 to 2 inch long strips of batter into the boiling water (can place butter knife in a glass of cold water from time to time to prevent sticking). In a minute or two they will rise to the surface. Fish them out and put them on your serving plate.
Whip out a small frying pan, melt some butter till it sizzles. Dump the spaetzle in the pan and sautee them for about 3-5 minutes over a moderately high flame/heat until lightly browned.
Return the finished dish back onto the serving plate. Adjust for salt. Add freshly ground pepper (if you are a freshly ground pepper fiend) and/or grated Parmesan. Very tasty, cheap, nutritious, hot, attractively browned, green-speckled, golden, thin dumplings glistening with butter.
Astuce: Be light time-wise with the boiling and sauteeing as they can become like hard rubber, however tasty.
Posted by: Lee Picton | March 14, 2009 4:24 PM
There is nothing that Bloviating Barb could possibly do that would render her more tolerable (though her being rendered might not be a bad thing). She is one of the nastiest, most supercilious, ignorant fools I have ever seen on this blog. We may get a chuckle out of Facilis and Silver Fox, but for weapons grade stupid, no one can beat her. She is beyond the pale, and unteachable. It is all too easy to see her as an Inquisitor, and her personal attack on the Honorable Janine ranks her as despicable as that other representative of pond scum, Ann Coulter. She will never be missed. (My apologies to the original ancestor).
Posted by: firemancarl | March 14, 2009 4:32 PM
I have to wonder about our evolution and built in genes that cause our gene pool to automatically thin itself out. I wonder this everytime I go to a motor vehicle crash-like earlier today-where two cars plowed into eachother because they both thought they had the right of way.
Could this be a hidden part of natural selection?
Posted by: Sili | March 14, 2009 4:38 PM
Ah but Chimp, does your recipe work for longpig?
Why not have a bit of oyster while we're at it?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 4:38 PM
Susan, you just gave me an excuse to have A Few Words In Defense Of Our Country.
You know it pisses me off a little
That this Supreme Court is gonna outlive me
A couple of young Italian fellas and a brother on the Court now too
But I defy you, anywhere in the world
To find me two Italians as tightass as the two Italians we got
And as for the brother
Well, Pluto’s not a planet anymore either
Halos And Horns is a fine album.
It would be great if Randy Newman would drop by every so often.
God's Song (That's Why I Love Mankind) is one of my all time favorite songs. Surprising, isn't it?
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 4:39 PM
Oh, and "pigs in a blanket", UK version, is simply sausages wrapped in bacon. It's often served with roasts, and especially at Squidmas.
Posted by: Big Mike | March 14, 2009 4:39 PM
listening to Zoe Keating, http://www.zoekeating.com/ , while enjoying the free for all thread. suddenly in the mood for bacon, or something bacon like :)
Posted by: JackC
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March 14, 2009 4:39 PM
This page is impossible to read, but just yesterday, I came across chorizo-stuffed figs wrapped in bacon.
Oh
My
FSM
Oh - and you are spelling it wrong - there is an "a" in Kwak
:obligatory winkie:
For reasons I don't quite understand, I suddenly want to add bacon to my potato-onion soup I am about to make....
JC
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 4:41 PM
I would be happy to nominate posters for exclusion, expulsion or extermination.
1. Janine
2. Nerd of Redhead
3. Patricia
Posted by: JackC
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March 14, 2009 4:46 PM
Logicel@189, you just saved me looking for a good spaetzle recipe! Thanks!
I ate breakfast at a table next to Dan Blocker once. Also sat discussing BSR devices with Larry Wall (with three others) for over an hour, before someone walked up and asked him to autograph his book - at which point, all 4 of us finally realised who we were sitting with....
JC
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 4:47 PM
Incidentally, has anyone seen Mad Men. Not a portrait of particularly moral people but it did, I think, perfectly explicate the pitfalls of allowing women and men in the workplace alongside each other.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 4:49 PM
Pete "total fool" Rooke, You have it backwards as usual. You are the troll, and you are on our list of potential bannees. You have no real business for your continued posts. You are not a regular. You have no say in anything.
Posted by: IST | March 14, 2009 4:49 PM
Pete Rooke> You neglected to add nearly every other poster here, who also find your relentless god-botting drivel to be obnoxious. Not that you don't occasionally post something that might be a legitimate question.
Posted by: Louis | March 14, 2009 4:49 PM
Awww Petey, don't I even make the list?
But but I thought I was gruesome enough......WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Louis
Posted by: DaveL | March 14, 2009 4:50 PM
Pete... you do know it's fictional, right?
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 4:53 PM
Big Mike @ 196.
Thanks, that's going into the book marks.
A while ago I found "String Tributes" to both TOOL and A Perfect Circle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCPHWsjZFyQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhn7hfgcoZE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pTUfyBSeFo
Posted by: AVSN | March 14, 2009 4:53 PM
Kwok, kudos and LOL I thot something like that too. Well really that the storm was God's sense of humour. But you need to sod off generally, you've gotten tiresome. At least on this thread.
Third Monkey said:
PZ said: "Can you come up with challenges our contestants must meet in order to be permitted to preserve their posting privileges?"
I've got one. The creationists must accept the posibility that they might be wrong. Any creationist that starts a comment with "I admit that I might be wrong" can stay.
Bad Idea. Don't concider it PZ, you need us to keep you honest. With out the creationists commenting, y'all will fall into such puffery as to become a joke.
BTW, I am a creationist and evolutionist. So I see both sides.
Posted by: !! | March 14, 2009 4:54 PM
@ #9 : "Sometimes while listening to music I'll think to myself, "This singer sounds like he/she has really bad breath.", at which point I just have to turn it off"
You mean like Huey Lewis? I have thought that myself about Huey Lewis.
Open thread!!
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 4:54 PM
Pete, that type of stupidity is what earns you a place in the finals for being banned. Here's an idea, stop posting here for a couple of weeks, and you won't fulfill the requirement of posting during the week we take the vote. Stretch it out a little just to be safe.Posted by: CSue | March 14, 2009 4:55 PM
Baaaacon!
Canaaaadian bacon!!
MEXICAN bacon!!!
Arghgrhrglhlhll *drools*
BTW, John Kwok? You don't happen to have a sister named Susan, do you?
Man, she was one scary college housemate. O.O
Posted by: IST | March 14, 2009 4:55 PM
I probably don't post enough to deserve a vote, but I'd second Barb... the others at least have a shred of decency about them.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 4:57 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk, Rookie. You are free to nominate but do you think that you will have any support here? Why, I seem to remember when you called us The Gruesome Trio, many people asked to join the Gruesome Gang.
This is why we keep you around, despite your grotesque analogies. You find an accidental way to make us laugh.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 4:57 PM
I see you with that shit-eatin' grin Nerd of Redhead.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 4:58 PM
I would also advocate instituting a filtering system for profane/vile language.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 4:59 PM
Don't worry about that. The voting will probably be like the Mollies, where everybody, including poor Pete, can vote. His vote may not be counted though, since he will be on the potential banned list.Posted by: Monado, FCD | March 14, 2009 5:01 PM
Any updates on whether the religious anti-sex squads are still preaching against HPV vaccines now that HPV is known to cause oral cancer in men, as well? I haven't heard anything explicit but the anti-vaccine campaign seemed to die down pretty fast.
This means I can recommend my son to get it, which always made sense to me to stop it from spreading.
Posted by: JackC
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March 14, 2009 5:04 PM
CSue - it wasn't this person was it? She looks pretty scary. I might have to hold that beer for her - before she drops it.
JC
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 5:04 PM
Moi? Libation drinking grin definitely. Too much bozo blather from the B.Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 5:07 PM
Rookie, there are two countries you can go to in order to find your ideal of not mixing the genders in the work place, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
I have not seen the show but I am sure that the problem is more how the men see women as being merely sex objects and not a parable of men and wemen working in the same office.
Rookie, how offended are you by the fact you have to take classes with women. It must be an insult to your superiority.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 5:10 PM
Oh bullshit Pete. You only mention filtering profane/vile language because you hope it will turn into a bare-breasted mud wrestling match, to see who's the most vile and profane, which someone will throw you into for jollies. Tell us, would that be more fun than looking up mini-skirts?
Inquiring minds want to know?
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 5:10 PM
Cartman says: "What's the big deal? It doesn't hurt anybody. Fuck-fuckitty-fuck-fuck-fuck."
Posted by: infidel57 | March 14, 2009 5:11 PM
Here's a challenge for creationists: Put your money where your mouth is. If you really think the biology in a 4000-year-old book is spot on, why don't you and like-minded persons pool your money and form your own bio tech company. You'll make a fortune! You'll be competing against all those Darwinian-trained biologists and they won't stand a chance since they have bought into deluded, anti-biblical thought.
Think of all those bio tech companies who's CEOs are throwing away their billions in research when the answers are right there in the desk drawer, furnished by the Gideons!
Posted by: Monado in Toronto | March 14, 2009 5:12 PM
Easy, healthy veggies--microwaved squash:
Get small squash, e.g. 1/2 acorn squash per person.
Wash the outside.
Place it in a stable position on a cutting board. For an acorn squash, break off the stem, if any, and place blunt end down. Get a large, sturdy knife and cut in half lengthwise. If you want to cut in quarters, place cut side down on the board and cut downwards.
With a spoon, scrape out the seeds & stringy bits.
Arrange, hollow side up, in a dish (that doesn't get hot when microwaved with anything else).
Into each hollow, put a large dab of butter (like a tablespoonful, e.g. size of a small walnut). Add a sprinkle of some herb you like, such as basil, tarragon, or oregano.
How-to pictures are here.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 5:15 PM
Please explain.
Exactly, and the same holds for RogerS: if they read this article on radiometric dating, and then demonstrate that they've understood it, they can stay...
John Kwok can stay if he demonstrates he can make 10 comments without name-dropping or other allusions to how important he would like to be.
This is not, however, what Miller believes. Miller believes that God let evolution happen, deistically. Remember Miller uses evolution as a theodicy.
1) PZ manages to cite Dawkins all the time without even mentioning they know each other personally.
2) It happens less often that PZ mentions he knows Dawkins than that Dawkins himself comes over here and leaves a comment!
And?
In all fairness, there seem to be Americans who call everyone they have any amount of acquaintance with, and who isn't their outright enemy, their friend... that's somewhat confusing for the rest of us.
Exactly.
:-o
Ксюшочка! I had no idea wwwwwhat... abysses... are lurking... in...
(But it's good that you can spell Michelle. Because her parents couldn't.)
No, explicitly not. He is suggesting that God washes His Hands in innocence, see above.
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Also, bacon. And ham.
Posted by: rrt | March 14, 2009 5:16 PM
Creepy...I happened to be in Champaign on business the day before PZ's talk, and today I'm visiting family in Bloomington...
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 5:16 PM
You maggot infested pile of shit, if you do not like the language used here, just stay in your own goddamned little hellhole and fuck yourself up the ass with a splintering cross.
Damn but your whining puts colicky six month old babies to shame.
Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 5:18 PM
One thing to try when making bacon is baking it. Alton Brown (sp?) from the food network pointed this out, and it works pretty well. You take (preferably) thick sliced bacon, place it in the oven cold (no preheat - important) and put it at 350 for about 15-20 minutes (or some slight variation for your particular oven/bacon). It takes a little longer but it makes for some damn tasty bacon. The secret is the cold start - it lets the bacon slowly cook in its own fat, so you can get a good feel for how crispy you want it without frying the crap out of it -- a little healthier too.
Worth experimenting!!
As for kwok's lol-a-thon, how is theistic evolution not a form of creationism? You can just say "Science is all true, but God did it". I think you're getting caught up on the fact that there are so many different types of creationism, old and young earth.
Massimo Pigliucci has a nice chart in his book Denying Evolution, summarizing the wide ranging views along a range from Special Creation to Evolution. In descending order from former to latter you get Flat-Earthism, Geocentrism, Young Earth Creationism, then you are into Old Earth ideas, Gap creationism, day-age creationism, progressive creationism, intelligent design, theistic evolution, and finally materialist evolution. There are probably many points you could find yourself on along that line, but until you go all the way to the last one you're still a kind of creationist.
Posted by: khan | March 14, 2009 5:19 PM
I also vote to exile the bilious Barb.
Posted by: JohnnieCanuck
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March 14, 2009 5:19 PM
If Kobra @ #167 can't refrain from making such irrational posts, we may have to put him on a window ledge to cool off.
It is, after all, traditional for the ilk to slice up and even devour those who cannot put two rational thoughts together.
Posted by: GodIsLove | March 14, 2009 5:20 PM
Repent EVIL atheists. Get on your knees and REPENT. or you will BURN in HELL for all eternity... ALL ETERNITY. You athiests maybe too ignorant to understand this, but it is a VERY long time, a VERY LONG TIME TO SUFFER. So accept the LOVE that GOD, THE GOD, is willing to give you if you would mearly get on your knees and REPENT, shed off you're GODLESS, EVIL, NASTY WAYS, and YOU will be forgiven. but NOT utnil you REPENT.
STOP pretending that GOD doesnt exist, and EMBRACE his love. HELL is a VERY REAL place, and UNLESS you EMBRACE his LOVE, you will be cast into tha LAKE OF FIRE that is HELL. YOU WILL BURN, YOU WILL BE TORTURED, YOU WILL SUFFER at the hands of PURE EVIL, aka SATAN. Admit to yourselves that you DON'T want this, and except GOD's LOVE. DO and YOU WILL BE SAVED.
Your DENIAL is the root of ALL EVIL in this world. You pretned that the LORD isn't real, so you can be moral free agents. You rape, pillage, murder, nad NEVER repent. How many PEOPLE DIED at the hands of ATHEISTS like HITLER, STALIN, or MAO? How many MILLIONS of PEOPLE have be murdered and SLAUGHTERED by throughout HUMAN HISTORY, by evildoers too arrogant to embrace GODS love?
ATHEISM and DARWINISM are the true causes of EVIL. You scum constantly repeat your MANTRA by putting the BLAME on religion, but your cognatve projection is MORE THAN obvious.
You people believe a FAIRY-TALE, the fairy-tale of EVOLUTION. You have closed you're mind to the TRUTH, by the DOGMA of SCIENCE. You WORSHIP Darwin as you're GOD, and HAVE VIOLATED the REAL GODs MOST SACRED COMMANDMENT.
How do you expect to be taken seriously when the HIGH PRIEST OF ATHEISM, Richard Dawkins, believes that LIFE was SEEDED here by ALIENS. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. He truly made a fool of himself, and by extension, all of you, by making such an rediculus claim.
Someday YOU ARE GOING to DIE, and YOU are going to REALIZE that YOU WERE WRONG, but it will have been too late, you will be PUNISHED, you will SUFFER. But REPENT now, BEFORE it's too late and YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN. GOD IS LOVE and WILL FORGIVE, you just need to ask, you just need to get on you're knees and REPENT.
Psalm 14:1 clearly states:
Never has such truer statement EVER been made.
REPENT, CLEANSE YOURSELVES OF YOUR CORRUPTION, RELINQUISH YOURE ABOMINALBE WORKS, and for ONCE in your MEANINGLESS LIVES, DO SOME GOOD, do SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS MAN-KIND, and REPENT.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 5:22 PM
"Do y'all have different books of the bible than I do? Are y'all Gideons? Who are the fuckin' Gideons? Ever met one? No. Ever seen one? No. But they're all over the world putting bibles in hotel rooms. 'THIS BIBLE WAS PLACED HERE BY A GIDEON'. When? I've been here all day I ain't seen shit. I saw the house-keeper come and go, I saw the mini-bar guy come and go. I've never laid eyes on a fuckin' Gideon. What are they ninjas? where are they. Where are they from, Gidea? What the fuck are these people? I'm going to capture a Gideon. I'm going to make that my hobby, I am, I'm going to call the front desk one day, 'Yeah I don't seem to have a bile in my room.'"
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 5:24 PM
And of course, I would forget to attribute that quote to it's speaker. Bill Hicks.
Posted by: Reginald Selkirk | March 14, 2009 5:25 PM
Next time, try broiling.Posted by: Monado in Toronto | March 14, 2009 5:26 PM
Oh, yeah... microwave for several minutes, until squash is soft to prodding with a fork.
Feel free to cover the squash to prevent splatters.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 5:26 PM
YAWN, I smell a boring troll. Where's the heavy duty bleach?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 5:27 PM
Rocky Raccoon checked into his room
Only to find Gideon's Bible
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 5:27 PM
Why are the nutters showing up and auditioning for banishment? They probably want to be banned so they can brag about it on christian forums.
Also,Janine and Patricia
If you're at a "bare-breasted mud wrestling match", is it acceptable to view the women as sex objects or should they only be considered atheletes?
And, is it common to tip atheletes?
Posted by: Feynmaniac | March 14, 2009 5:28 PM
Survivor : Pharyngula
The following people must past the following tests to continue posting here:
Simon - Must agree to speak to a psychiatrist and provide proof of session. Failing that, simply agree not to breed.
Facilis - Swear on the Bible not to bring up his "proof" for the existence of God through "logic" ever, ever again.
Alan Clarke - Explain how if the universe is indeed only 6,000 years old and all the stars we see are in a 6,000 light year radius why the universe doesn't collapse ?
Barb - Watch and discribe in detail an episode of 'The L Word'.
Posted by: Ray C. (not Comfort) | March 14, 2009 5:29 PM
#228: Begone, foul troll.
Posted by: Bunk | March 14, 2009 5:32 PM
For a while, I thought all this talk about tasty bacon was unnecessary, then I found this: Joel Osteen Hates Bacon and saw the relevance. If Osteen hates bacon, then I shall find it necessary to emulate Homer Simpson on bacon as well as beer.
Posted by: Monado in Toronto | March 14, 2009 5:34 PM
Rev. [20], a garnish of crispy-fried (or microwaved) bacon goes without saying.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 5:35 PM
needs moar bacon
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 5:37 PM
I'm glad you brought this book up. I popped into a favorite bookshop recently and ran across Denying Evolution while I was there*. I found it to be a terrific book and recommend it. He gets the fossil/geology stuff a little wonky in places, but those are minor nit-picks (he is a bio-type after all). Overall a really good read.
*I also got into it a bit with the manager because he had Icons of Evolution leaning against a copy of The Dinosauria in the same section, but that little dialog doesn't need to be recapped.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 5:37 PM
some of the current trolls I hate mostest, in order from bad to worse:
Intelligent designer
RogerS
Alan Clarke
Pete Rooke
Simon
Facilis
Barb
If only one to choose, Barb would win hands down, but if it were me, I'd cull the top 4.
Barb and Pete are two of a kind, but while Pete is just nuts, Barb is positively evil. If she actually lived in my neighborhood, I would not even let my dog get near her.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 5:38 PM
NEEDS more BACON
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 5:39 PM
...oh, and:
all hail the almighty bacon.
It may have only taken god a week to create the whole world, but it takes at least 8 days to make good bacon.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 5:41 PM
Among the CAPS-LOCK flecked gibberish up there from "Godislove" said:
Hasn't he the ability to grasp context? Or was this info revealed to him by someone else that can't grasp context either?
Wasn't the panspermia scenario mentioned as a hypothetical in one of the essays from "Devil's Chaplain"?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 5:41 PM
Dammit Chimpy! I have GodIsLove killfiled.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 5:41 PM
Someone bring in the crash cart.
Rev. needs a BLT stat!
It's OK Rev, there's bacon coming. Just take deep breaths and try to relax.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 5:42 PM
Collins has emphasized his interests in both Christianity and evolutionary biology; Ayala substantially less so.
Collins is a "special" creationist, meaning he believes in a separate creation for humans and "animals".
uh, guess what Johnboy?
that makes him a creationist.
it also makes you a troll.
I have to add you to the list as well.
you have your reasonable times, but mostly you're just fucking inane.
Posted by: Monado | March 14, 2009 5:42 PM
Cognitive Daily has a Pi Day deep-dish pizza with instructions and pictures.
Posted by: Rev. BigDUmbChimp | March 14, 2009 5:44 PM
JC
I make Clemson Blue Cheese stuffed dates wrapped with prosciutto. Try that, it is awesome,
Although yours has two forms of pork, so... you win.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 5:45 PM
I would like to add:RogerS, show physical evidence for the alternate plane of knowing.
Pete Rooke, show physical evidence for your god, or, publicly acknowledge we don't give a shit about your opinion and that you have no real purpose in posting here.
Silver Fox, Show that only Yahweh, and not Side-Show Bob, fits your definition of god. (Kel/Wowbagger, adjust as necessary).
Posted by: waldteufel | March 14, 2009 5:45 PM
GodIsLove and Pete Rooke would make hot lovers, I'd bet.
My money is on GodIsLove as the top in that deal. . . . .he uses more capital letters, so he must be real butch.
Posted by: Hank Bones | March 14, 2009 5:46 PM
I'm rather late into the game here, but this is my favorite bacon recipe. Enjoy:
http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF010-Instant_Bacon.gif
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 5:46 PM
Damn but now I am in a White Album mood. So here is one of the few times an other artist topped a Beatles original.
Posted by: brokenSoldier, OM | March 14, 2009 5:46 PM
I'm definitely throwing my vote in for Barb - she makes me want to punch my monitor, glass be damned... And I would say Facilis and Simon, but most of the time they're just fun to laugh at.
Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook | March 14, 2009 5:46 PM
@Janine way back at #14:
* clicks link
* Hugs Janine, bitch slaps Barb.
Posted by: Marc Abian | March 14, 2009 5:48 PM
You seem to claim that any deist or theist is a creationist. Wikipedia disagrees
"Creationism is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity (often the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) or deities.[1] In relation to the creation-evolution controversy the term creationism is commonly used to refer to religiously motivated rejection of evolution as an explanation of origins"
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 5:49 PM
hi, I'm back. did you miss me?
I also brought you all sherry-filled candy, but I eated them all (and the meanies at customs won't let me bring cheese or beer)
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 5:49 PM
Rev @243 for the win.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 5:50 PM
I just went to my favorite butcher and picked up a nice big hunk of pork belly that I will be turning into a unctuous, dripping, oozing mass of caramelized porky goodness in a few hours.
I'm set. But thank you for our concern for my needs!
Posted by: Monado in Toronto | March 14, 2009 5:52 PM
Hugh Laurie, who now plays the starring role in "House," at one time played Bertie Wooster in a televised series of P.G. Wodehouse comedies.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 5:52 PM
Yeah, we did. You okay?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 5:53 PM
You were missed, and people were wondering about you. Welcome back. Take your time to catch up. Beach Party next week Pharyngula style.Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 5:53 PM
Forgot to add... Janine, are you in love? :-)
Glorified noodles, basically.
But very good. Especially with pork and a good sauce.
Ha! That's nothing!
There's a paleontologist about whose field trips with students it's said he "never bothers cooking. He just brings beer."
Yesssss!!!
I should have read this before eating, rather than afterwards, but yes, it does sound very good... except... perhaps you should use a teflon pan, and only half as much butter and lard for the exact same result?
Oh no. She denies, nay, cannot even imagine the very existence of both gay and straight people. She implies that everyone is bisexual... like her, evidently.
How does that work?
English fails me, I shall have to translate from the Viennese:
Have they shit into your brain?
Yes, that's a thoroughly disgusting image that I don't like to throw around nilly-willy. But unfortunately it is the best description of the situation, for you are batshit crazy. If you're afraid of four-letter words, go see a psychiatrist -- I'm completely serious. I honestly wonder whether comment 218 is on to something.
Culture shock! It took me a quarter of a minute to figure out what you meant.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 5:53 PM
Since I haven't voted yet, here goes.
Gotta go with Barb. That woman is just too creepy to be funny. I actually kinda like a few of the trolls around here, but she's not one of them.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 5:53 PM
Where from and what kind of cheese?
me likely illegal unpasturized cheese
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 5:53 PM
As for Ken, he's promised me that he'll explain how he reconciles his religious and scientific beliefs. But that's an explanation he will be sharing with me and with one other skeptic. Once I receive it, I won't be divulging it to you or anyone else.
he already has, you great silly git. I thought you were well read up on the man?
It's in his latest book.
past that, there is nothing to know. Like all others of religious bent, compartmentalization is all that is needed to minimalize the handicap of theistic thought processes.
The problem is that those who employ such compartmentalization are rarely confronted with the fact that this puts an unnecessary burden on their minds.
...and they really should be, as it can cause progressive damage over time.
just ask Michael Egnor, or John Davison. William Dembski or Michael Behe.
religion is at best useless baggage, and at worst a way of fomenting unhealthy group behavior. Miller will never be able to convince anyone with a modicum of logic otherwise.
Posted by: Guy Incognito | March 14, 2009 5:53 PM
@230: No worries. Denis Leary forgets to do it all the time.
Take that, Denis Leary!
Posted by: Free Lunch
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March 14, 2009 5:54 PM
PZ could have driven from Bloomington to Bloomington via Bloomington in the time he will take getting back to his car at MSP.
Posted by: Richard Harris
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March 14, 2009 5:57 PM
Godislove @ # 228 Psalm 14:1 clearly states:
The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is NO GOD. THEY are CORRUPT, they have done ABOMINABLE works, there is NONE that doeth GOOD
Never has such truer statement EVER been made.
Why believe what it says in an old book of the collected thoughts of primitive goat-herders, that's been mis-copied, mis-translated, & edited to suit political objectives over thousands of years? You are just plain crazy, fellah, or gal.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 5:57 PM
Kitty's Bitch - Who knows what form of bare-breasted wrestling ol' sicko Pete is into. As for me, it's the Highland way, or nothing, aka Mad Mad MacAdder.
All forms of cheering are acceptable. I wouldn't sit to close to the edge if I were you, you might just get a *honk* or two yourself. ;)
Posted by: MikeG | March 14, 2009 5:57 PM
This thread is made of win (though interspersed with small bits of serious FAIL).
Tonight's dinner shall be as explained by chezjake, with broccoli, and tomorrow's dinner as suggested by Patricia, OM, with Menyambal's green bean recipe.
It's going to be a good weekend.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 5:57 PM
Here is your answer. Welcome back, Jadehawk.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 5:58 PM
No thanks. But I will take some Cold, cold ground.
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 5:58 PM
@David. Makes sense. Beer is a meal.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 6:00 PM
Good grief Janine,
the imagery your post inspired was of the most perverted, damnable and dispicable activities imaginable. I asked for your cankerous attention in a way by listing you (attention which then entirely vindicated my view) but please stop haunting my postings. It is DEEPLY offensive and unpleasant.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 6:00 PM
Rev
I recently re-discovered a local butcher.
My first purchase was, of course, very thick cut bacon, handmade sausages, and a couple of nice marbled ribeyes.
Oh man, I really want to punch a vegetarian right now.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:01 PM
Spoken like a true geologist. Or a carbohydrate chemist.Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 6:03 PM
Guy Incognito @ 268
Take that, Denis Leary!
No shit. I found Dennis Leary funny, right up until I heard the purloined material done by it's originator.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:03 PM
You seem to claim that any deist or theist is a creationist. Wikipedia disagrees
fuck wikipedia.
we use the broadest definition of what an actual creationist is here.
If you believe, that at any time, any deity or supernatural force was responsible for creating any physical law or object within the known universe...
you are a creationist.
it's that simple.
If you wish to separate out creationists from Young Earth Creationists, from Christian Young Earth Creationists, from Old Earth Creationists, etc., be our guest.
a theistic evolutionist, in proposing that was/is a supernatural force that has/is creating(ed) laws or processes, is by our definition, a creationist.
clear now?
Miller, in saying that he thinks there is a divine creator "behind it all in the beginning", is a creationist.
Collins, in saying that humans could not have evolved morality, is saying that humans are special creations, and is therefore a creationist.
by definition, one CANNOT be a creationist and a scientist at the same time. These two ways of approaching how the universe works are not compatible, and must be compartmentalized.
Posted by: Menyambal | March 14, 2009 6:05 PM
RECANT!
The End Is Not Near!
With the great Stephen Fry as Jeeves. They meet, and get even better. Beautiful, really. Great music, too. Please try.
Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 6:05 PM
A language filter? For real? I find THAT to be an offensive idea sir, and I demand to not be exposed to any offensive ideas about censorship, and all future ideas for censoring fucking language to be censored.
Instead of a language filter, how about a poster-filter for those unwilling to commit....shhhhhhh blasphemy. It can be as simple as
The trinity is a fucking dead joke of a corpse of a tortured idea. Or....The Holy Spirit is a spiritual afterbirth mused into the shape of a dove. Maybe, Damn Jesus to Hell! YHWH is sexually submissive to all Hindu gods, male and female.
Anything will do really, you could even grant immunity to a creationist who manages to squawk the best bit of blasphemin'. Points for the most condensed form of make-believe vulgarity!
Posted by: Louis | March 14, 2009 6:05 PM
Beer may well be a meal, but Guinness is a feast and Guinness with a bacon sandwich on the side is a feast.
Make it a BLT and you have a balanced diet.
Louis
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 6:05 PM
@227: Hahaha! Holy shit, that took me a second to get. I was almost pissed off.
Posted by: JeffreyD | March 14, 2009 6:06 PM
OM(nonexistent)G yes! Can we drop Barb down the memory hole?
Oh, btw, I have served my sandwich recipe above to many famous people, including Elvis last week. I know lots of famous people and they all come to the house to have breakfast. Too many to mention here and do not want to make people jealous. Sometimes I grind the sandwichs into paste and serve them on kwokers. :)
Oh, and Peter the Rookie, your mom said to settle down and behave. You might not recognize her when you get home, I shaved her back. Yes, I know that was mean spirited, heartless and cruel to say.
Ciao y'all
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:06 PM
Pete Rooke:
get stuffed you projecting pissant.
Posted by: Pierce R. Butler | March 14, 2009 6:07 PM
They're just telling us there's a storm over Atlanta.
Those who know the Truth are aware it's a carefully tangled web of chemtrails deployed to net renegade saucers!
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:08 PM
ha! being missed by pharyngulites makes me all warm and fuzzy inside :-D
and yes, I'm fine, though about 6 lbs heavier because of 3 weeks of free access to European foods. I was in Germany, visiting my mom, eating lots of tasty, unAmerican French and Dutch cheeses, German sausages, Italian pizzas...
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:08 PM
You really are a stupid motherfucker, aren't you. You know what I think of you. You know what will happen. You you keep do it.
Here is some news for you, shithead. This is not your blog. You do not dictate how people act here. You do not like it, keep the fuck out. What can be more fucking easy than that?
Go cry me a fucking river.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 6:09 PM
Nope. Just USA and Canada.
It's actually a parody, but not a good one. The author used to post hundreds of such parodies per week during the short time when posting parodies was fashionable.
Still annoying, though.
Hugh Laurie played George in Blackadder. That's all you need to know about him!
(In case anyone wonders, that's a compliment. A big compliment.)
Posted by: NervousAboutAngels | March 14, 2009 6:09 PM
Growing up, pork products were banned in my household. We did have the bible. And conspiracy theories. A bad vhs tape of President Kennedy's 'sploding head is no substitute for bacon.
The last time I visited, I was exposed to aliens=demons and how our government full of Masons engineered 9/11. I was forced to retreat to the restroom at frequent intervals in order to regain mental equilibrium.
Now, I have bacon and reason.
Life is win.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 6:10 PM
Wikipedia disagrees
I agree entirely with your point but you must remember that the people who frequent this site typically affirm the Myerson type view and are also able to post on Wikipedia.
The mobilization of the faithful on the Internet web has been too slow and many of the postings on Wikipedia are nothing more than propaganda.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:10 PM
hahahahaaaaaaaaaaa
Yeah it really does make a difference. Especially if they know you when you walk in the door.
and
I
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 6:11 PM
I'm fairly sure that wasn't the real Pete Rooke. He's far less direct than that.
Jadehawk - just read your post on the Molly thread; thanks for the congratulations. And good to know your absence wasn't because of anything bad.
On another note: I SAW TIM MINCHIN LAST NIGHT AND DAMN HE WAS AWESOME!
The set included the 'Storm' poem that PZ wrote about late last year, plus a couple of other hilarious, specifically anti-religion/anti-woo songs. Plus there was one about a theatre critic he hates, but - since I am one some of the time - I have to pretend I didn't like that one, too.
If he comes near your city/town, get tickets. Seriously worth it.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:11 PM
Bone Oboe, keep playing me some Tom Waits, especially Swordfishtrombones, Raindogs and Frank's Wild Years and you just might win my black and empty heart.
Posted by: GodIsLove | March 14, 2009 6:11 PM
BLASPHEMY. The BIBLE is DIVINELY INSPIRED directly by GOD himself. IT IS INERRANT. Mis-copied? mis-translated? You must be reading one of the FALSE translations, like NIV, NRSV, or the Message. Read KJV, or the original Hebrew/Greek, if your closed puny minds can possibly comprehend it.
The BIBLE is PERFECT in EVERY WAY. What part of that do you HEATHENS NOT UNDERSTAND. I have heard much talk about "contradictions", but they are LIES, LIES spread to DEFAME the sanity of the Followers of CHRIST. Any "contradiction" you may come across, is merely you're ignorance showing. All it proves is that your minds have atrophied to the point that you cannot comprehend HIS DIVINE WORD.
I'm willing to BET that YOU have NEVER READ THE BIBLE (any translation) If you had, you wouldn't have forsaken the LORD, OUR GOD.
REPENT and BE SAVED. Continue to wallow in your willful ignorance and YOU WILL SUFFER, YOU WILL SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:12 PM
me too... I was considering mailing some to myself, but run out of money too early. I wonder if that works? Mail doesn't seem to be checked as diligently as my luggage (and doesn't get lost as often, either)Posted by: Feynmaniac | March 14, 2009 6:12 PM
Pete Rooke,
I've heard worse:
"Suppose your are an embalmer. You are busy embalming a person for an open coffin ceremony and you decide to pilfer there lush locks of blonde hair for the construction of high class wigs"
"Suppose you had a very sacred book outlining your philosophy on life. This book also happened to be stitched together and bound in the skin and flesh of a loved one who had recently passed away."
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:13 PM
This is how bacon is cooked in cafeterias, large scale restaurants, and military mess halls. The cook can bake several pounds (or kilos, if you're a Canadian or a furriner) at one time with minimal fuss.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:13 PM
I still stand by my original claim of Poe with GiL.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 6:15 PM
The Gideons also make occasional pilgrimages to large college campuses, where they stand on as many busy pedestrian street-corners as they can, passing out tiny New Testaments. They used to, anyway. So I have met them. White men in their 60s and 70s, to my eye.
Posted by: Eidolon
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March 14, 2009 6:17 PM
Godis...
Trust me - your posts do more to defame the sanity of godbots far more than anything that can be said here.
Oh - and it is "your ignorance", not the contraction "you're ignorance".Any votes for this one to be off the island?
I think Petey is less entertaining though. Not as many random caps.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:17 PM
But we spent a lot more time talking about the "Red Queen", species area effects, and other aspects of ecology and evolutionary biology.
bah.
did your prof ever explain to you how his knowledge of his deity helped explain any aspect of ecology and evolutionary biology you two discussed on any given day?
let me guess.
no.
In fact, I'd bet that my strongly atheist major prof at UC Berkeley has quite similar discussions with me about the same topics in biology as yours did.
go figure.
stop being so retarded, John, really.
If you can't learn to separate ideas from the people who hold them, you don't belong in either science (where we fight about ideas all the time, w/o regard to holds them), or in the fight to protect science from those who would entirely replace it with ideology.
take a step back, John.
as has been said MANY FUCKING TIMES. nobody here is attacking Ken's expertise wrt to his science, his textbooks, his teaching methods, or even his attacks on creationists.
all we are denying him is his idea that god and science can be linked.
just like we deny that idea to Collins, and Behe, and Dembski.
why should the ideas Ken presents get special treatment simply because he is Ken Miller, eh?
Posted by: Tristan | March 14, 2009 6:18 PM
Uhh... Kobra? Has anyone mentioned yet that your Pi pie has a digit out?
3.14159265...
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:20 PM
Rooke
Petey, I get the distinct feeling you find nearly everything in your life deeply offensive and unpleasant.
Posted by: Random Chimp | March 14, 2009 6:21 PM
@Eidolon, 302
Yes.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:21 PM
if your closed puny minds can possibly comprehend it.
"Your Jellimeat is NOT big enough!"
Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 6:21 PM
I think you're right, Rev. BDC. How else can you account for him knowing how to use blockquotes?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:22 PM
All this talk of bacon is bringing up memories. Patricia and/or the Rev. may be familiar with this. The side pork the type Rev. BDC appears to be talking about, sliced thin, rolled in cornmeal, and fried in bacon grease/lard. Breakfast with my grandmother (from Tennessee) when I was growing up. YUM.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:22 PM
The Gideons usually drop their Bibles off when a hotel has just finished building. They drop their books off plus 10% for replacements if someone takes one (the pages make excellent rolling papers*) The Bibles are distributed to the rooms by housekeeping staff. The supply is generally good for many years.
I was a hotel housekeeping supervisor when in graduate school. I had to check each room once a week for Bibles.
*Or so I've heard.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 6:23 PM
Here is my grandmothers recipe for farm noodles:
2 cups flour
3 egg yolks
1 egg
2 teaspoons salt
1/4 to 1/2 cup water
Put flour into a mixing bowl. Make well in center of flour and add egg yolks, whole egg, and salt. Add water 1 teaspoon at a time. Add only enough to form dough into a ball. Knead five minutes. Cover, let rest 10 minutes. Divide into four parts. Roll dough out like a pie crust and cut dough into strips. Place strips on a towel to dry - about two hours. Break strips into smaller pieces. Cook in three quarts of hearty, boiling stock. 12 to 15 minutes, or until tender.
These noodles are very good for using with your left over pork, or game such as venison or bear.
We always make the noodles thicker than a pie crust.
Posted by: Marc Abian | March 14, 2009 6:24 PM
Such a policy seems to invite confusion.
Why not simply use theist?
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 6:25 PM
Oh, I am late to this party, and probably too sober, and haven't read all the comments. If we're supposed to vote off all the theists and creationists who come here, methinks our conversations will get dull. I don't mind any of the regular 'trolls,' like some of them, and don't consider them especially troll-like. Some of the back-and-forth makes the best reading.
But it turns out that hey, I can play anyway, because someone just mentioned a new visitor I hadn't seen yet --GodisLove at #228 -- and (yes!) here is a candidate I can heartily endorse as a genuine troll (and quite possibly a Poe.)
So I vote for GodisLove, off the island. Fire is life.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 6:25 PM
NervousAboutAngels
"Bacon and Reason"
That should really be a blog title.
Posted by: Richard Harris
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March 14, 2009 6:25 PM
Godislove, please take your medication.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:27 PM
Bad argument. Alan Clarke uses HTLM tags very well. But he is still a huge jar of mixed nuts.
Posted by: Hank Bones | March 14, 2009 6:27 PM
http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/
Posted by: Monado, FCD | March 14, 2009 6:29 PM
With apologies to the Rev. for stealing his Comic Sans:
Needs more ELVES!
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 6:30 PM
On the subject of noodles I recently ate the the unfortunately named Wagamama. The spicy noodles were divine.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 6:30 PM
I wanna grow
Grow up to be
Be a DEBASER
She can't help it. The girl can't help it.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:32 PM
The mobilization of the faithful on the Internet web has been too slow and many of the postings on Wikipedia are nothing more than propaganda.
Pete,
Go to conservapedia and stay there. You and the spawn of Phyllis Schlafly have much to discuss.
Posted by: Owlmirror | March 14, 2009 6:33 PM
It looks like the digit was cut out correctly from the dough, but was then place on the pi in the wrong orientation.
D'oh!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:34 PM
Side meat is a bit different than pork belly. Pork belly is what turns in to traditional "american" bacon after curing and smoking but is great prepared a number of other ways. You'll find pork belly in a number of asian dishes from various countries including china (and various territories within), Vietnam, Thailand etc..
Side meat is, shockingly, from the side of the pig and is a bit different in fat content and meat texture. And yes it is good done exactly like you detail above. A very southern dish indeed. It's one of the many southern dishes that comes from the slave tradition of making the meat scraps into something not just edible but tasty. It can be prepared just like bacon from the belly. It's also known as salt pork.
Now the really amazing cut that can be cured similar to bacon (minus the smoking) into guancialle is hog jowl.
That right there is good shit.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 6:34 PM
GodIsLove does not represent the religious any more than Dawkins represents the non-religious. It is clearly what is known as a Poe or is insane. Either way it should not be taken seriously.
Posted by: firemancarl | March 14, 2009 6:35 PM
re: Godislove
I smell a POE, wrapped in bacon....
Posted by: Monado | March 14, 2009 6:35 PM
Oops, I missed "EVOLUTION." Please replace it with "ECONOMY" or some such.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:36 PM
Why not simply use theist?
why use "creationist" when in the narrow term, you might really mean YEC, OEC, Muslim YEC, etc.?
seems to invite confusion.
better to just call them what they are; by what their own arguments inevitably define them as if they ARE theists.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:37 PM
what's that acrid smell?
and the blue smoke?
and that popping crackling sound?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:37 PM
I cannot be the only person laughing.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 6:38 PM
Either way it should not be taken seriously.
pot kettle black.
Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 6:38 PM
@ 316 -- Yes, I know, it was just a joke. It just doesn't fit with my usual image of angry godbot type, grunting words through clenched teeth, typing extra hard on the keyboard with each all-caps word. That is a pretty cartoony image though. I mean, it could very well be that they are typed in as or and I just don't see the spittle flyin
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 6:38 PM
Nerd - I've had fried side pork, but never rolled in cornmeal.
That reminds me of how good green tomatoes and okra are rolled in corn meal and fried in bacon grease. Mmm Mmm!
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 6:39 PM
Oh, Janine (@#254)...now you went and made me do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqFJ-bRKJr4
...'Course Jerry was into the H pretty heavily at that time.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:40 PM
Pete "total fool" Rooke, what part of "we don't give a shit what you say" don't you understand? You are a godbotting troll, not a regular. What part of being the godbotting troll don't your understand? I can explain both concepts to you in words of one syllable or less.
Posted by: GodIsBacon | March 14, 2009 6:40 PM
I vote that Pete Rooke be banned until he allows atheists to post on his blog.
And after equivicating Dawkins with GodIsLove, he should have his pointy head examined.
Thus sayeth the Lard.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 6:40 PM
Janine,
re: Tom Waits - have you ever heard the Tori Amos cover of Time? It's brilliant - I have to say I like it more than the original. But I still love Rain Dogs. That man's a crazy, crazy genius.
Posted by: Moses | March 14, 2009 6:42 PM
I vote off all the Libertarians. It's just as stupid as creationism.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 6:44 PM
GodIsBacon
An extremely cogent statement, and a true application of Christ's golden rule. I heartily second the motion.Posted by: BaconIsGod | March 14, 2009 6:47 PM
@ 335
Amen Brother.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:47 PM
Hell yeah. How can you go wrong with Marc Ribot?
Posted by: Stanton | March 14, 2009 6:48 PM
Is anyone interested in my recipe for Crucified Trout, or would you prefer some sort of pork atrocity from one of my Chinese cookbooks?
Posted by: Mark | March 14, 2009 6:48 PM
#296
I've read the KJV.
It's not so different from the others really, at least the basic plot remains the same:
In the beginning there was a lot of incest.
Yahweh's proves to be a bit of a deranged cunt.
More incest, rape, pillage, murder, genocide, and all manner of sociopathic nonsense ensues.
... The Interval (time for a beer and a smoke)...
Some smelly bastard can't keep his gob shut and gets himself nailed to a tree.
The end.
My precis doesn't do it justice, there's plenty of humour to be had along the way (unless you believe all that crap, in which case you should be flinching with disgust).
Still, despite being so risible, and getting off to such a flakey start, it was a pretty successful story in the long run. A box office smash, one might say. The damage was done. Roll forward a few hundred years and we get a world infected by a smattering of IDiots whose cognitive processes have been so damaged by the story and its preachers that I doubt they could find their own arseholes with two hands and a torch.
Ho hum.
Posted by: Lowell | March 14, 2009 6:48 PM
I gave up on Barb after she stated on the Creationists in Denial thread around #520 that, no, it is not even possible that she is wrong about evolution (ignoring, unsuprisingly, my point about the Dunning-Kruger effect). She's uneducable, a total waste of human potential.
For due process, though, let's see how she fares on on the list of Dungeon-worthy offenses:
Godbotting? Hell yes.
Insipidity? Absolutely.
Slagging? About homosexuality, definitely.
Stupidity? Pure, uncut, weapons-grade.
She should really be spending more time going about her wifely duties, anyway. PZ would be doing her MD/biologist/jesus-freak alpha-male a fucking favor.
Oh, and I know it's bacon, but what have you done to it?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:48 PM
Wowbagger, here it is. Seeing that most of Waits' work is piano based, it is a natural. It is seems like a given it should have been on Strange Little Girls.
Posted by: maureen | March 14, 2009 6:49 PM
Godislove @ 296
The production of the King James Bible was an entirely political project - to establish the status of a new king largely unknown to the powerful in England, to keep as many scholars as possible very, very busy and discourage their tendency to preach against each other and give rise to religious factions - there were enough of those already - and to concentrate the minds of the masses on his christian scholarship rather than the fact that he was flamboyantly gay and not very good at politics.
The fact that the end product turned out to be better than average literature is proof only that seventeenth century christians wrote much better English that their modern counterparts.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 6:50 PM
Well the name alone has me interested.
Posted by: Menyambal | March 14, 2009 6:51 PM
Regarding HTML and style:
I've a text file with my moniker, my e-mail address and a bunch of HTML tags that I copy-and-paste from when commenting here. It saves time and reduces errors, and gives my postings some clarity.
Posted by: AdamK | March 14, 2009 6:52 PM
When I was a kid I hated tomatoes. So when my mom made BLTs, she substituded peanut butter.
PBLT!! The best sandwich ever! Peanut butter, bacon, lettuce, and Real Mayonnaise! On rye.
/droooool.....
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March 14, 2009 6:53 PM
Pete Rooke #324 wrote:
Very funny. You know very well that Richard Dawkins is not the atheist equivalent of GodIsLove. But I agree that he or she doesn't "represent The Religious" (as if one spokesperson could), and is almost certainly an atheist playing games. Or insane. I doubt anyone is really taking it seriously.
I once read about a convention that was held for street preachers. Seems they have an actual organization, and they came from all over the world, hundreds of them, carrying their signs and pamphlets and (maybe) bullhorns, to get together at a hotel for several days of seminars, helpful tips, camaraderie, and whupping themselves into a white hot fervored frenzy for spreading the Word of the Lord.
I am still undecided on whether I wish I had been there to see it -- or am glad that I did not.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:53 PM
Some more White Album madness. Marc Ribot covers Happiness Is A Warm Gun.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 6:55 PM
Rev. BDC wrote:
I have to admit I'm not familiar with his work outside of his collaborations with Waits.
Janine - Strange Little Girls is great. Another of her haunting covers is one of Smells Like Teen Spirit, but I don't know where to find it other than file-sharing sites.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 6:56 PM
I too called Poe on GiL in the early going. This little snippet has me wondering--I'm probably wrong, in which case apologies in advance--has anybody ever seen GiL and Owlmirror together in the same room?Posted by: GodIsLove | March 14, 2009 6:57 PM
I'm a poe? No. Surely you jest. Why is it, you always assume the devoted to be mere parodies.
I'm insane? No. In fact I'm one of the only SANE people on this sorry excuse for a blog.
You can mock me all you want HEATHENS. You can DISMISS me, You can question MY SANITY, but you cannot, WILL NOT, escape JUDGEMENT DAY. If you don't YOU WILL SUFFER, but IT NOT too late, YOU CAN BE SAVED, JUST REPENT, HE WILL FORGIVE YOU, JUST GET ON YOUR KNEES AND REPENT.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 6:59 PM
You have just described one of my personal customized hells.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 7:02 PM
When I was a girl we used to make Bacon Chowder in the winter when it was so danged cold you had to breath through a mitten.
Take a large cast iron dutch oven put some butter in the bottom, and saute one large chopped onion. Peel and dice into large pieces about four or five medium potatoes. Drain a quart of home canned sweet corn. Put the potatoes and corn in the pot with the onion, add a couple of quarts or so of pork or chicken stock. We'd let this simmer away on the wood stove until the potatoes were almost done, then add about a pound of chopped bacon. About 10 minutes before you serve it you can add a half pint of heavy cream if you like.
Serve it with hot corn bread & honey.
Posted by: arekksu | March 14, 2009 7:03 PM
LOL
Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 7:03 PM
Er, I mean to use (blockQUOTE) and (BLOCKquote) but used the greater/less-than sign....how noobish of me.
Anyway I've been to a restaurant in Philadelphia called the Continental. They have a sandwich called the "Green Submarine", the all-veggie offering. And it was really good. It was so good I bet it would still have been delicious without the bacon added.
I had a roomate who's now a cook, he liked to talk about taking food to the next level -- which meant adding bacon to it.
Posted by: Jeeves | March 14, 2009 7:04 PM
Hey, I found GodIsLove's inspiration!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3oDtgBzMJE
Go to 1:52 in the clip.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:04 PM
Oops, let's do the Ribot link correctly.
Posted by: DiscoveredJoys | March 14, 2009 7:05 PM
Egg and Bacon Pie - my signature dish!
Fry some chopped up bacon rashers until they are crisp.
Drain the fat off, lay the sizzled bacon bits in a savoury pastry flan case (or make your own)
Grate some strong cheddar cheese and lay it over the bacon bits
Mix light cream and/or milk with a beaten egg or two, plus mustard powder and salt and pepper. You can added herbs if liked, but it sounds too healthy to me.
Pour over cheese and bacon, up to the top of the pastry case. Grate some nutmeg over the top.
Bake in a hotish oven for around 30 mins, or until the pie sets and the top browns.
Delicious hot or cold.
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March 14, 2009 7:05 PM
Fucking hell - I knew it!
This is what atheists get up to - swapping recipes!
It's a disgrace - you're no better than pig-eating apes! .
On a lighter note, I may save this thread to eat later.
And I loved the pi.
In fact, I came here for the transcendental philosophy, and I stayed for the pie.
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 7:06 PM
Incredibly, and even more hilarious about the thousands of people who are inconvenienced by the weather just so God can get at PZ...Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 7:07 PM
Yes, the problem with religion in the west is largely that of bad marketing.
It is associated with fanaticism in the same way that science was caricatured by Shelley in the 19th century.
Now science is held as the great moral exemplar of our times and one only has to think of dynamite, carbon emissions, small arms and nuclear weaponry to realize that it isn't all good.
Religion on the other hand accepts even those on the edges of society. You need no education. The poor are welcome. Black or white...
It was seen to be dominated by fanatics with haywire morals. In reality the religious today do an extraordinary amount for people on the edges of society: the poor and the forgotten.
Posted by: DiscoveredJoys | March 14, 2009 7:08 PM
Oh, and the test for people worthy of the honour of being banned - too many capital letters. GodIsLove please note.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 7:08 PM
Janine, Insulting Sinner. Now that was something. Tom Waits+Tori Amos, playing "Time"="Add to Favorites" and a trip to Bestbuy website for CD purchase, as the record stores suck in the corner of Southern Oregon I'm in.
While I'm at it I should fill the rest of the holes in my Waits collection, all I've got is "Beautiful Maladies: The Island Years", "Blood Money", and "Mule Variations". My copy of "Alice" has gone M.I.A.
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March 14, 2009 7:08 PM
Dang, if we didn't have a big roaster pan full of home made lasagna, I would mention this to the Redhead. Oh the suffering...Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 7:09 PM
Re the censorship fandango: while still in college I earned the remark, "Nothing worse than a foul-mouthed woman." Beady-eyed, lipless white man with a limp dick laid that one on me. It's a moment I still treasure.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 7:09 PM
I'm up for Crucified Trout.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 7:12 PM
Lynna,
although there are many things worse I agree wholeheartedly in spirit with the statement ("Nothing worse than a foul mouthed woman"). If you can't articulate a point without using profane language it isn't worth articulating.
Posted by: Lowell | March 14, 2009 7:14 PM
Patricia,
This may be a dumb question, but I'm porcine-challenged due to my Jewish upbringing.
Do you cook the bacon before adding it to the chowder?
Posted by: Craig Messerman | March 14, 2009 7:14 PM
I looked through the whole Rustic Pear Tart recipe expecting to see: 1 side of Kevin Bacon.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 7:15 PM
I reject the entire concept of "foul-mouthedness." For fair or foul, we all follow our own inner umpire.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:17 PM
Oh, Bone Oboe, you still have so much Tom Waits to explore. Step Right Up. Too cool.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 7:17 PM
Pete, consider yourself glad that you have no idea what gut-wrenching activities there are out there.
As Janine said, cry me a fucking river.
Oh, and, I completely forgot about your analogies... excuse me while I go vomit.
Repeated for truth.
Posted by: GodIsBacon | March 14, 2009 7:18 PM
And Pete should be cut for inane, self-absorbed tangents like #363 above.
Go in peace to fry and serve the Lard.
Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 7:19 PM
Unless they are gay
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 7:20 PM
If you can't articulate a point without using profane language it isn't worth articulating.
FUCK YOU
Posted by: scooter | March 14, 2009 7:20 PM
Q. Why did the Romans close the Coliseum?
A. Because the Lions were eating up all the Prohets.
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March 14, 2009 7:21 PM
yes, you're right. after all, it's the religious (both the church and the local witch-doctors) who are at the forefront of fighting polio, malaria and aids in africa, while Mother Theresa has personally done everything in her might to lift the poor of India out of povertyidiot
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 7:22 PM
Pete Rooke,
Sadly, Pete, I don't think you're in the position to be lecturing someone else on articulation - not to mention such a prissy, whining view is the hallmark of a pissant who never has any substantial arguments to present in the first place.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:23 PM
Lynna, do you think that The Rookie could also be a beady-eyed, lipless white man with a limp dick?
If you do not have a thought worth articulating, please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 7:24 PM
Lowell - We never cooked our bacon first, but remember when I was a girl our bacon was home grown and then smoked by grandpa. (yes, wise asses I know) So it cooked a little different than today's bacon.
When I make Bacon Chowder now I still dump in uncooked bacon. If you want less fat, I'd cook the bacon about half way done and drain it. :)
Posted by: Stanton | March 14, 2009 7:24 PM
Crucified Trout
1 trout, 2+ lbs
1/4th cup melted butter
dry mustard
brown sugar
paprika
Split the trout but not through the skin, Do not kite or debone after splitting as the bones will keep the fish intact.
NailCrucify fish around edges to an oak, or hickory plank. Brush with melted butter and dust lightly with dry mustard, dust heavier with brown sugar, then dust lightly with paprika. Roast fish with reflected heat from wood fire, for at least 20 minutes, or until margins are golden brown. Serves about 2.Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 7:25 PM
It [religion] was seen to be dominated by fanatics with haywire morals.
*Recalls what Petey wrote on the Crackergate thread*
*looks at sentence Petey wrote.*
O.o
are you SURE you're not completely fucking insane?
If you really aren't, how can you say that knowing that YOU are one of the reasons religion is viewed as being populated with nutbars?
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 7:29 PM
Sven,
I have a clear idea of the horrors in the world. I remember as an impressionable youth watching the an old horror movie from 60's. It was The Evil Dead (which was on of the founding members of movies categorized as "Video Nasties" in the UK, a group that was rightly censored) and it featured, among other things:
1. Possession by spirits
2. Enforced decapitation of a loved one possessed by said spirits
3. Abandonment of loved ones in trouble to said spirits, a terrible betrayal
4. The rape of a woman by a tree
5. Obscene images and gore
It was entirely secular in nature, as most films are, and there wasn't a hint of redemption.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 7:29 PM
Janine, Insulting Sinner. Thanks. I forsee some serious headphones time going through that channel. The first place I saw Tom Waits was as Renfield in the 1992 version of Dracula. The first place I heard him sing was in the Primus song Tommy The Cat
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:29 PM
Ichthyic, thank you for that link. It was fucking fabulous!
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 7:31 PM
There's your problem. Stop looking for Catholicism in secular texts.Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 7:31 PM
i'm starting to think we really need to stop insult nuts like that... i like nuts, they're tasty and nutritiousPosted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 7:31 PM
@304: I didn't make it, I just found and posted the picture here. :P
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March 14, 2009 7:32 PM
Pete Rooke #363 wrote:
I disagree -- religion on the whole is very well marketed. Most people separate "fundamentalists" and those with "false religions" or "poor understandings of God" from true religion (the one they follow themselves.) Due to the way it's promoted, religion is closely associated in most people's minds with morals, charity work, inspiration, and meaning in life. It is usually only the atheists who take care to point out that the supernatural beliefs are the only things that are specific and unique to religion. The other things are valuable in and because of this world, not any hypothetical other one.
Science, on the other hand, is publically associated with the products of science -- and especially technology -- and the fact that its real value lies in its method is often ignored or brushed over.
Posted by: Lowell | March 14, 2009 7:32 PM
Thanks, Patricia. I'm gonna try that one. Sounds scrumtrulescent!
I may even resist the temptation to use my fancy-schmancy new immersion blender, which I have been using to puree just about everything possible lately. It's just so much fun!
Posted by: Stanton | March 14, 2009 7:33 PM
Please explain how the making and selling of the movie The Evil Dead is worse than stating that it's more important for a 9-year old rape victim to remain pregnant and possibly die from said pregnancy, than to have her abort the said pregnancy and attempt to live a normal life.Posted by: Bruce Campbell's Chin | March 14, 2009 7:34 PM
Pete Rooke.
Evil Dead=1981.
Evil Dead=Fiction
As far as redemtion goes, well, we got "Army Of Darkness" out of the deal.
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March 14, 2009 7:35 PM
now I understand that it's easy to confuse the bible for a campy B-list horror-movie, but that's STILL one of the dumbest things ever written. why would there be "redemption" in a horror-movie!?Posted by: peter | March 14, 2009 7:35 PM
Have you ever thought about how, after the moment when you die, one day will go by, then one week, one month, one year, one decade.
And then a century, a millenia, a million years, a billion.
And that's just the tiniest fraction of how long you're going to be dead.
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March 14, 2009 7:36 PM
And fucks them even more. Mental illness developed - no extra charge. Thinking skills discouraged. Because God needs all their money. Separately, of course. And now with less slavery!Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:36 PM
But Rookie! What of The Evil Dead II? Groovy!
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March 14, 2009 7:37 PM
You're fucking kidding. You learned about nastiness by watching horror flicks? I learned about the nastiness of the world by having nasty stuff happen to my personal self. I daresay the same is true of most of the people here.
Rooke, you need to do a whole lot of growing up.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 14, 2009 7:37 PM
I am especially fond of fish curries at several NYC Indian restaurants, but I don't have their ingredients handy.
Wish you all a good night. Am off to hearing some superb Beethoven shortly (It's the 9th symphony performed by the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra. For the rest of the program, you can look under calendar at: http://www.carnegiehall.com ).
Anyone with outstanding complaints about Ken Miller's beliefs should contact him after looking for his e-mail address here:
http://www.brown.edu
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 7:37 PM
Janine, Yep, you're right, the Rookie's peter probably qualifies.
I'm working on a theory about liplessness and the connection to limpdickedness. Research so far includes watching the mass quantities of "educational" videos from BYUI. Major stumbling block though--I've made it all the way to end of a video yet, though I did like the lipless wonder expounding on the five tips for avoiding masturbation.
Kudos Janine for links to some fine music. I keep getting off-thread to dip into Dear Prudence. Also, Pixies and bacon go well together.
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March 14, 2009 7:37 PM
Oh, how the self-righteous twist themselves into knots when they can't deal with people who speak what they actually feel without sugar-coating it.
Fuck them.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 7:39 PM
Poll: Is J*hn Kw*k for real?
Yes or no.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 7:39 PM
Pete Rooke #385 wrote:
What, a movie about spirits was secular?
No, that is supernaturalism. It is not the form of supernaturalism you ascribe to, but it's not "of the natural world."
Secular humanists and other scientifically-minded atheists are just as against the theology of Wicca, New Age, Spiritism, and whatever-the-heck this movie 'represented' as they are the more traditional religions. It's not a matter of whether they think the religion does good or represents nice values, but whether the supernatural parts are true. No. They're not. This movie was obviously fictional on many levels.
One can be an atheist and believe in the supernatural, technically -- but that doesn't make belief in "spirits" secular.
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March 14, 2009 7:40 PM
Well, I was dead for about 13 billion years and it wasn't too bad.Posted by: debaser | March 14, 2009 7:40 PM
If you wanna see something without any redemption, take a look at Left Behind: the Movie.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 7:40 PM
And in Army Of Darkness the "incantation" Ash utters in the haunted graveyard: "Klatu Verata Nicto" caused no small amount of deja vu. Wondering where the hell I'd heard that before. At first I thought it was from some MST3K episode, then I caught part of The Day The Earth Stood Still late one night. And it all clicked in a very satisfying "Ah-HA" moment
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 7:41 PM
Anyone with outstanding complaints about Ken Miller's beliefs should contact him after looking for his e-mail address here:
and if we really have outstanding complaints about YOUR "beliefs", John?
should we just wait for another driveby?
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 7:42 PM
Bone Oboe, perhaps you should check out Down By Law. A fun little prison break movie.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 7:42 PM
Perhaps I have a skewed perspective then, but religion in the UK is almost non-existent in public life. I study religion at KCL and even here most people are decidedly negative about religion. Cults are studied from a sociological perspective and then this perspective is applied to the monotheisms. Actual theological minutia is dismissed as largely irrelevant. So religion is seen as a phenomenon that can be studied. The distinction between proper religion and the cults is continually blurred.
Also, science cannot be taken removed from the technology that arises from it. When opening up the horizon to the curiosity without limits it is inherently dangerous because it is impossible to discover a priori only the good. The good and bad come together and once discovered cannot be unlearned. It is unleashed upon all of us without our consent.
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March 14, 2009 7:44 PM
I go out for several hours, taking my granddaughter to the Rainforest Cafe and when I get back, I find this thread that has gone nuts!
Posted by: Lowell | March 14, 2009 7:44 PM
Sven: Yes, absolutely for real. So irritating.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 7:46 PM
Lowell - An immersion blender! Oh, the envy. :)
If you do a search of this blog you'll find some postings for French Pumpkin soup that would tickle that blenders fancy. Try the pumpkin name Galeux D' Eysines .
Posted by: scooter | March 14, 2009 7:46 PM
AWESOME a Recipe thread FINALLY.
Here's my recipe for Texas Beer and Gun club Cowpigen, feeds one picnic/target shooting.
You cut open a cow, and pull the guts out, then shove a pig inside of it and staple it back together.
Put guts aside for later, then you drink some beer.
Then you steal a cement mixer, and drink some more beer and and try to shoot some bottles off the nearest fence.
Then you dig a pit, which requires taking a break afterward because it is really hot in Texas, so you drink some more beer, maybe a couple of shots of tequila, and try to talk some of the girls into taking their tops off. If that doesn’t work, give them more tequila.
Repeat until successful.
Then you throw some old tires in the pit, glaze them with a medium octane gasoline and flambe them from a safe distance of a couple feet or so.
Then you try to shoot some bottles off the fenders of the cement mixer waiting for the tires to get going real good, trying not to breath the fumes too much because you might get sick and throw up too soon.
And then
Oh yeah drink some more beer.
Then you throw the cow with the pig in it into the back of the cement mixer, drink some more beer, drive the cement mixer so that the barrel is situated over the flaming tire pit, then put the barrel in gear and rotisserate that sunuvabitch until it smells done or the cement mixer catches on fire and explodes.
I think you make sandwiches with it, but I’ve never remembered this far into the recipe because I’m either in the blackout stages of an alcoholic stupor or being rushed to a hospital.
Bone Apetite
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:47 PM
Lynna, just took a quick look at your site. I guess I will have to read. About the only western travel writer I have read is Edward Abbey.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 7:48 PM
the difference between "cult" and "religion" is age, pervasiveness, and durability. in other words, a religion is a cult who survived its founder.Posted by: Owlmirror | March 14, 2009 7:48 PM
o.O
Who the what hey now?!
I'm not sure if I should be more offended at being accused of claiming that God is Love, or for asserting that the KJV is the best translation there is.
I mean, really now. Standards, I has them.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 7:49 PM
By secular I meant it lacked the soteriological elements of religion
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 7:49 PM
scooter, ladies and gentlemen: scooter.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 7:51 PM
Wild hair. I did apologize in advance.
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March 14, 2009 7:51 PM
Seconded - and it has a Tom Waits soundtrack, and Tom Waits! Another great new movie is In Bruges.Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 14, 2009 7:53 PM
Here ya go.
Pretty tasty, too. Though eight bucks is a lot for a candy bar.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 7:53 PM
Cults are studied from a sociological perspective and then this perspective is applied to the monotheisms. Actual theological minutia is dismissed as largely irrelevant. So religion is seen as a phenomenon that can be studied. The distinction between proper religion and the cults is continually blurred.
by jove, I think they are actually trying to hammer some sense into that thick skull o yers, Rookie!
ya see, the only thing separating a "cult" from a "religion" is the tax-free status.
Posted by: Tark | March 14, 2009 7:53 PM
Re Waits
The album Small Change is great. Every track is win.
Especially Bad Liver and a Broken Heart.
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:53 PM
Scooter just said Gun Club.
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 7:54 PM
Of course not, the technology shows the validity of the scientific method. We are all currently using the 'proof' that science works.Posted by: Clemens | March 14, 2009 7:54 PM
Open thread? Yay.
You know: Miracles actually do happen and prayers do work. Everytime a miracle is about to occur, there is quantum mechanically a chance for it to happen or to not happen. If you are a non-believer you will always end up in the universe not experiencing the miracle.
Just Poeing. ^^
Oh, and actually water doesn't flow according to hydrodynamics but is guided by little fairies. How else do you explain that a river from all possible paths from a mountain to the sea it always takes the way through a valley? If it was guided by chance, shouldn't there be water flowing along ridges?
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Scooter - So that was you in the boots, chefs hat and spatula at Sturgis in '93'... that explains a lot.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Pete Rooke #410 wrote:
Perhaps we do have different perspectives: in the U.S. religion's crawling all over public life, though of course it depends on where you live. I don't see that there's anything inherently hostile to religion in approaching it as 'a phenomenon to be studied' -- it's a neutral approach. That may be why you consider it an example of poor marketing. Neutrality breaks the spell placed on the idea of 'sacred' things that cannot be approached except with willing belief.
Science is a method, and a search for truth (or, rather, likelihood and probabilities of truth.) It is one thing to talk about limiting technologies and their effects -- war weapons, or pollution. But limiting science itself because there are things we should not know is making a choice to deliberately blind oneself to truth. Religious people ought to be wary of this, because it's generally not what they claim to endorse.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Ichthyic,
and the veracity of the central truth claims.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 7:56 PM
Patricia-
Was it you who mentioned growing hops?
My limbo-wife & I are putting in a garden in Vegas and we need some shade for it. A verdant vine sounds nicer than plastic shade cloth.
And bacon.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 7:56 PM
Does this mean the Scientology is no longer a cult?
Posted by: lynna | March 14, 2009 7:56 PM
Meant to say I had *never* made it through a BYUI educational video yet. Takes a strong stomach to put up with that brain-deadening swill. But I need to know, living amongst the brain-impaired as I do. They have a video for how to dress in a Godly way -- moderate shoulder pads are recommended for women (complete with demo of same being inserted in jacket). They have a video for everything.
Most comments on this thread put Barb right up there at the top of the list of scary-and-sick at the same time, but I recognized her, in a way. Barb is the incarnation of my neighbors. Yes they are like that. Yes they talk like that. Yes they do put a damper on life in general. Doesn't matter what flavor of swill they're cooking, it all comes out the same.
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March 14, 2009 7:57 PM
Why do christians want us all to stay stupid? But, didn't we decide to chose knowledge soem time ago? I forget. How did that work out?Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 7:57 PM
Pete Rooke
"The distinction between proper religion and the cults is continually blurred."
Oh, come on. That's just too easy.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 7:57 PM
Scooter, keeping the order in which you shoot and drink straight is key to keeping out of the hospital. Actually it's pretty much one or the other. Actually it's precisely one or the other.
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March 14, 2009 7:58 PM
Pete, what part of we don't care what your opinion is don't you understand? I will explain it to you words of one syllable or less. You are dumb and a clown, hence a troll. End of Tale. Go away, or we will vote to ban your ass. Your choice. If you go away for a couple of weeks we will forget about you during the voting.Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 7:59 PM
Then you throw the cow with the pig in it into the back of the cement mixer, drink some more beer, drive the cement mixer so that the barrel is situated over the flaming tire pit, then put the barrel in gear and rotisserate that sunuvabitch until it smells done or the cement mixer catches on fire and explodes.
Oh man, I'm just now getting over a massive respiratory infection and that just sent me into a 5 minute coughing fit because I was laughing so hard.
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 8:00 PM
Of course, but it's hard to deny that all religions are merely cults that have caught on.Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 8:01 PM
Favorite Waits: the early, live Nighthawks at the Diner. Second, Raindogs. Marc Ribot, hell yeah.
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March 14, 2009 8:02 PM
I wasn't aware whatshisface died, but hey, it's all the same to me. Scientology isn't any more insane than Mormonism, or Catholicism.Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 8:03 PM
Pete Rooke #418 wrote:
Well then say that, because that's not what "secular" means. Otherwise, it's confusing.
People who are in "cults" generally do not think they are in cults, but in a genuine religion. You could not differentiate between them and 'proper religion' without actively endorsing a particular kind of religion as real.
Though I suppose it depends on how you're defining a 'cult.' Some definitions separate cults by evidence of extreme control -- and the fact that the leader claims to have an exclusive revelation, or is God in person.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:04 PM
@410: I'll take the shit with the sugar if it promises to give us more knowledge.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 8:04 PM
BMS - Yes, we grow hops for making beer, and as a shade vine. Two varieties, Mt. Hood and Nina. You will not be disappointed in the growth rate (amazing!) and beauty of the plant. They are the only thing we've found to grow faster than grape vines - but then I've never seen kudzu.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 8:05 PM
and the veracity of the central truth claims.
righhhhtttt...
because there is so much "veracity" to "goddidit".
or should we examine the veracity of Joseph Smith's claims for starters?
you're in so much denial it hurts my eyes just to look on.
Posted by: lynna | March 14, 2009 8:05 PM
Hey, Janine. Thanks for the visit. Fun and games in the great outdoors.
and to Pete Rook, WTF! Religious propaganda has been slow off the mark according to you? Please, I live in a state where all that stuff is foisted on me daily and, unlike you, I don't even have to go to the "secular" movie theater to be grossed out. I get it with basic cable even if I don't want. My local NPR station cuts out regular NPR programs to air "Devotionals." You can tell what the Profit in SLC has been cogitating about by watching the billboards change along I-15.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:05 PM
Drinking can lead to utter these last words: "Hey, guys, watch this."
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 8:05 PM
Pete Rooke wrote (regarding the difference between cults and
religionshis cult:So, you agree with us, Pete - there is no difference. What's your support for a claim of veracity? Come on, enlighten us.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:06 PM
@443: That was in response to this:
Good and bad are subjective. I, for one, welcome the future.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 8:08 PM
Patricia-
Thanks! I shall pass that on to limbo-wife (I won't be home in Vegas for a few weeks now so she's shouldering the gardening on her own in the interim).
Grapes don't work so well here in the desert, at least not for us (we who call plants brought home from the nursery "wictims).
Kudzu - that shit's ebil! It practically eats trees in the South. Strangles 'em like a boa constrictor.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:08 PM
that sentence is proof that i've been away from anglophone countries for too long. that was supposed to be:in other words, a religion is a cult that outlived its founder
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:11 PM
Jadehawk's really back. YEA! Love the snark.Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:11 PM
Because Tom Waits for no man...(Covers head with arms and hands.)...The Piano Has Been Drinking. It is truncated but you do get Martin Mull and Fred Willard.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 8:12 PM
DID YOU KNOW that hops (Humulus) belong to the same family (Cannabaceae) as Cannabis?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:13 PM
Well, that explains its use in beer. Hic.Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 8:13 PM
Okay Pete Rooke (And I still think that sounds like a porn-star name), I know you've shown yourself to be a stupid bloody git, but why keep making it all more ridiculous?
I'd say their marketing is fairly good when all that they're purveying is a bill of goods. And even then, the goods advertised could never be delivered in the real world.
Religion is associated with fanatacism because of religious fanatics making outrageous claims, performing outrageous actions, and generally acting like the fucktards they are.
You're arguing apples and oranges here. Who said that science has anything to do with morality? Science is a tool and is not in itself good or evil. Religion, on the other hand, claims moral superiority (and IMO fails miserably to deliver).
You obviously haven't been visiting the right churches. Or rather, you haven't been visiting the churches where those sorts of people are kindly persuaded to seek spiritual solace elsewhere.
Implying, I think, that we atheists think nothing of those people; that they're best left on the edges of society to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Bullshit! (I hope I haven't offended your pristine sensibilities with my language.) You're a fucking shill for the religions that have brought strife to the world for ages, and have held back human development in the name of their gods in order to control the masses.
Guess what, Pete. We're sick of the shit, and we're going to keep pointing out the miserable failings and outright lies of your religions until they slink away to die in a corner somewhere. The numbers of people who actually believe in your sky-fairies are shrinking, and that has the religious CEOs scared shitless because that means less money in their pockets, and less power for their pulpits.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:14 PM
I believe the example used to justify the definition focused on particular sects for the most part and on particular behaviour. Charismatic preachers, statues (there is a disturbing habit among my co-religionists to hold certain figures as quasi God like beings - e.g. Mother Teresa, weeping statues etc.)
Ultimately, though there is no cult of personality at the heart of Christianity. The knowledge of the heart and scripture is enough to guide one towards the truth.
Kobra, consider:
It has never been easier to wipe out all of the human race. One call from Obama to central command an it can be done.
Why privilege knowledge above all else?
PS The proportion of people who wish me banned is not significant. I make a contribution here and I don not believe that I deserve any such insinuation.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 8:14 PM
'Tis Himself.
I had seen a video clip of two guys doing the William Tell thing, with a revolver. The receiving end guy tells the sending end guy "If you screw this up, I'll kick your ass."
And I thought "Hey dude, if your buddy screws this up you'll be the first to know and the last to be able to do anything about it."
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 8:15 PM
Some definitions separate cults by evidence of extreme control -- and the fact that the leader claims to have an exclusive revelation, or is God in person.
by your definition listed above, since Sung Myung Moon claims himself to actually BE Jesus Christ, it must be a cult, right?
our federal government would beg to differ, having granted the Unification Church in America tax exempt status, and even inviting Sung Myung Moon himself to utilize government facilities for religious rites.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 8:16 PM
Beer is a lovely way to store grain long-term - I heartily endorse it!
The workers on the great pyramids were, apparently, paid in beer! (Or so said the guy on Modern Marvels...)
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 8:17 PM
I had to say the name, Martin Mull. Men, men, men, men, it's a ship all filled with men...
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 8:17 PM
The knowledge of the heart and scripture is enough to guide one towards the truth.
then it's idolatry instead of a personal cult figure?
sure sounds like a cult to me.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:17 PM
For the sake of keeping this survivor-style thing organized: http://www.kobrascorner.com/voting-booth.php
If anyone wants me to add any poll options, kobrasrealm [@] gmail dot com is my email address. If you want me to take your email seriously, name the six quarks. :P
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 8:19 PM
Hey, come on - we haven't had a recipe since the yummy egg and bacon pie, and Crucified Trout (I'm trying both).
Scooters cow in the cement mixer requires too many felonies. ;)
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 8:19 PM
I make a contribution here
puking on the floor might indeed be considered "a contribution".
typically those doing so are shown the door.
you've moved up two notches in my list today, Pete.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 8:19 PM
Yes it is a shame that religous observance is so lax in the UK. We had many centuries where this was not so. They were universally happy, back then, without science or medicine or human rights of any sort - and enlightened rulers who enforced tolerance with just a friendly smile.
To find anywhere as free as we were then I think you have to look to Africa today, where secularism has yet to poison minds and religion rules in totally harmony.
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 8:20 PM
Missing Alan Clarke, RogerS, and facilis from that list.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:20 PM
for a christian, you seem to have very little practical knowledge of christianityPosted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:21 PM
Hey Rookie! Some Rum, Sodomy and The Lash for ya.
Kiss my ass!
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:21 PM
@457:
It has never been easier to wipe out all of the human race. One call from Obama to central command an it can be done.
All the more reason to push science as far as it can go so we can disperse into the rest of the universe. It's easy to wipe out a planet, but not thousands of planets in different parts of the galaxy.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:21 PM
Patricia,
why do you call it "Crucified Trout"? I assume for the same reason that you call communion wafers "crackers"; so as to be as insulting as possible.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 8:23 PM
Oh god, now we'll be deluged with cat recipes. They're illegal, you know.Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:23 PM
@470: Blockquote fail. Argh. Only the bottom paragraph is mine.
Posted by: cousinavi | March 14, 2009 8:25 PM
OK...463 comments...no one will read this far through anyway, so I'll take a swing.
Lemme see...
Aw fuck it.
I was gonna try for some pure denial of Occam's razor and just say something like, 'well, there might be some over-arching consciousness directing it all...some Prime Mover...who's to say that the totality of energy and matter is not steering in some Spinozan fashion after al?l...'
But I can't.
Even if no one reads the thread this far down, I just can't do it.
Curse, little ape man.
Later you will walk like that because you're drunk.
HAH!
Posted by: Insightful Ape | March 14, 2009 8:25 PM
So, rookie, CHRISTianity is not about a personality? Good to know.
You may add may name to those who wish you banned. Though, you do make a contribution, by giving me a few laughs, like in this case.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 8:26 PM
Prophet = Profit. It's *all* marketing. Priesthood = Penishood. It's all misogynistic folderol over a vaporous nothing.
Posted by: Tark | March 14, 2009 8:26 PM
The wonder that is this blog inspires me more each day.
Pogues and and Tom Waits in the same thread, smothered in bacon and dripping with sarcasm. Be still my heart.
Ahead Snark factor 7 Mr. Sulu ..
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 8:27 PM
Top, Bottom, Strange, Funky, Widdershins, and Bashful. What do I win?Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:27 PM
Hey! I resent that! I am the insulting one around here! Just look at my name. Patricia's job is to flounce.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 14, 2009 8:28 PM
Hi all.
Since this is an open thread, and since my previous post on this subject was lost in the general hubbub, I thought I'd take the opportunity to repost this interesting little article on the BBC news page:
Atheists call for 'debaptism'
FTA:
"I think it's important that more people speak out and say they don't subscribe to the historic beliefs of the Church."
I thought it was interesting anyway. I'm thinking of getting debaptised myself. And I reckon the more people know about this, the more they will queue up to totally disassociate themselves from a church that is rapidly sinking into the mire. So, pass it on!
OK - as you were.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 8:29 PM
"Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 8:29 PM
Pete Rooke wrote:
Indeed. You remind us of exactly how much religion can warp and limit the human mind to ignore logic, evidence and common sense - and that freeing the world of the kind of thinking that leads to its continued existence is a goal worth working towards.
You mean like your
kind and lovingvile, hate-filled monster god has already done once and intends to do again, to rapturous (no pun intended) applause from you and your sick, repugnant kind?Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:30 PM
Because we are sharing music, Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1FQqSGxBso
Posted by: Lowell | March 14, 2009 8:30 PM
Pastor Pete is offended that a recipe contains the word "crucified."
Pete, the Internet may not be for you. You probably shouldn't be in university, either. Shit, if you're that easily offended you should probably be in a fucking monastery or something.
Posted by: tomh | March 14, 2009 8:31 PM
@432 Does this mean the Scientology is no longer a cult?
Well, they do have tax-exempt status.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 14, 2009 8:31 PM
Aargh! - Damn blockquote fail AGAIN! Do you have to blockquote every flamin' paragraph or something?
The blockquote should have ended with the word "church". The rest is my own opinion.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 8:32 PM
Ichthyic #459 wrote:
Yup, I think it meets several of the definitions. The mass stranger-to-stranger marriages would be another mark against it. A 'cult' is a subset of religion.
Here's a list I posted once before, when we were on the same topic on another thread(from Robert Lifton)
5 Signs of a Cult
1)Totalism - This is an us against them philosophy, which is used to achieve complete separation from the past, which is portrayed as filled with the satanic or unenlightened.
2) Environmental Control - Everything that perspective recruits see, eat, and do every waking minute is carefully manipulated.
3) Loading the Language - This is the jargon of the cult, which take the form of quick easy phrases and statements that only have meaning to the cultists. Such jargon encourages isolationism and cloning.
4) Demand for Purity - All actions are judged by the cult’s definition of purity, which is crafted by the leadership to suit their needs. Such definitions are applied in an absolute, black and white, manner. Anything is acceptable in the pursuit of this purity.
5) Mystical Leadership - The cult leader endows himself with a mystical mantle, often an agent of divine powers on Earth. Confession and denunciation to the leader are ingrained. The victim acquires a pawn-like attitude, wherein devotion and obedience to the leader supersede standards of morality or self-preservation, even unto choices of life and death.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 8:32 PM
Wow, debaptism! First I've heard of getting debaptized. Now there's a ritual I could get behind. Good excuse for a bacon extravaganza as the after-party.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:32 PM
*breathe in*
Now that I've got that out of my system, you may resume being "the insulting one," Janine.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 8:34 PM
Elwood: In essence: yes. Here's how I do it if I'm quoting more than one paragraph: Delete the spaces between the period of the last paragraph and the first letter of the second. Now insert into that point two break tags, like this: <br /><br />. Surround the entire block with the blockquote tags, and then you're all set.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:34 PM
Cousinavi talks about the ape man and than The Insightful Ape speaks. It has to be done! Now I am getting kinky.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 8:35 PM
recipe
Grilled Stuffed Mushrooms
Ingredients
6 medium crimini mushrooms
1/8 Vidalia, Maui, or other sweet onion, small dice
1 clove garlic, minced
olive oil
1-1/2 Tbsp (or so) Worchestershire sauce
1 to 2 Tbsp beer, darker rather than lighter
1/4 cup crumbled bacon
1/8 to 1/4 cup store-bought breadcrumbs
Grated stinky hard cheese
salt & pepper
Instructions
1. Remove stems from mushrooms and chop fine.
2. Heat olive oil in small (6-8") iron skillet over hot coals. Add onions & garlic; sweat for a few minutes then add chopped mushroom stems and bacon.
3. Cook until onion is soft. Add worchestershire and beer and sizzle until most of the liquid is gone (just a minute or so).
4. Remove from heat and stir in breadcrumbs and stinky cheese.
5. Spoon mixture into mushroom caps. Place caps in skillet, "roast" in grill NOT over the coals, until the caps are soft-ish.
6. Sprinkle w/ stinky cheese.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:35 PM
And a recipe for everyone:
1. Heat the oven to 180C/350F/Gas 4.
2. Put the chickpeas with the nuts and seeds in a small pan.
3. Add the lemon juice and just enough water to cover them, along with a generous pinch of salt and freshly ground black pepper.
4. Bring to the boil and simmer for 5-6 minutes, then drain.
5. Spread the mixture on of a flat oven-proof tray. Mix the chickpeas in curry powder and olive oil. Bake for 20-25 minutes, shaking them occassionally to mix them. Make sure they don't burn.
6. Serve at once, or store in an airtight container.
It is ethical (vegetarian), delicious and good for your digestive system.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:36 PM
Already covered way upthread. Almost 500 posts without our glorious leader. Not bad.Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 8:36 PM
Pete Rooke #457 wrote:
Because (good will + ignorance) is not as good as (good will + knowledge.)
That doesn't mean that knowledge is better than good will. But without knowledge, good will can be very dangerous indeed. Remember what "the road to hell" is paved with...
Posted by: Sioux Laris | March 14, 2009 8:36 PM
My vote for banning J. Kwok. The grounds of assholish tiresomeness alone suffice, even given the evil creepiness of the "Barbara" replicant.
From his comments elsewhere ("pro-science" "Republican" at PT), if he is ever on the same side as I am I want there to be at least one more side.
Let him smug someplace in Wingnutburg, where smugness is is the bizarro-virtue.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 8:37 PM
Everything I do is inspired by God. I know this because I just got an email review saying, "Everything you do must be inspired by God." I'm relieved, really. Because earlier, I had my doubts.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 8:37 PM
Pete - You idiot, that isn't my recipe.
On the other hand, yes I do mean to be as insulting as possible about the made up bullshit crucifixion. Damn near every fucking gawd man ever dreamt of was crucified.
You should try it!
*flounces off*
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 8:39 PM
Damn, you mean it really isn't me that's trying to tell Pete Rooke what a stupid bloody git he is?Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:40 PM
For the Rookie because he is oh so good and he is oh so fine. And he is oh so healthy in his body and his mind.
Yeah, right!
Posted by: Abbie | March 14, 2009 8:40 PM
Fried Rice of Some Sort
-3 cups rice (sushi rice NOT that long-grained bullshit)
-some amount of powdered ginger
-some amount of garlic, usually just powder because you lost your garlic press and trying to chop up garlic is a fucking pain
-soy sauce
-fish sauce, because you have it and don't know what else to do with it
-half an onion
-vegetable oil
-2 eggs
1. Make rice in rice cooker. Eat a bowl now because you're hungry. Put rest in fridge for a few hours or (preferably) overnight.
2. Put some oil in a pseudo-wok. Heat to medium-high.
3. Chop up that onion.
4. Take the rice and onion and put a bunch of garlic and ginger on it. More garlic than ginger. Not too much ginger.
5. Put all that in the oil and start pouring soy sauce all over it.
6. Mix it all up and shit. If there's still white rice, soy it.
7. don't forget the fish sauce.
8. Make a hole in the middle of the rice and crack two eggs into it.
9. Stir until it looks like fried rice.
DONE.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 14, 2009 8:40 PM
Sastra-
just how hard do you think it would be to fit the early stages of xianity into your 5 point system to define a "cult"?
or was that your point and I'm deliberately being obvious about restating it as a question?
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 8:41 PM
here petey, Music for your enjoyment.
Posted by: Tark | March 14, 2009 8:41 PM
Awwww Kobra, I had my bacon too close to the monitor now it's all blackened and over-crisped. Well, was meaning to replace that external hard drive anyway ....
Pete the Wookie strays to far from his nookie.
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:42 PM
To counteract Pete Rooke's hymn, here's Billy Idol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-5kpyD4cE&feature=related
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:42 PM
@125: How did I overlook this?! Absolutely awesome!
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:42 PM
if pete gets insulted at the use of the word crucified in a recipe, he wouldn't like what we did on a very liquored-up Easter Weekend a few years back: Peepus and the Thieves
and yes, that's insulting on purpose, in case you had any doubts
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:43 PM
SAFETY ALERT. I post #493, Pete "total fool" Rooke gave a recipe. Do not attempt this recipe until the safety of this recipe is confirmed by independent sources. SAFETY ALERT.
Now back to your regular programming.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:44 PM
I understand why Janine is insulting. Why do you flounce?
Sastra,
bad will + knowledge > good will + knowledge
bad will + ignorance
This ignorance does not have to be absolute either. I.e. ban atomic research...So it's really relative ignorance we are talking about.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 8:44 PM
"If you want to do evil, science provides the most powerful weapons to do evil; but equally, if you want to do good, science puts into your hands the most powerful tools to do so. The trick is to want the right things, then science will provide you with the most effective methods of achieving them."
"Scientific and technological progress themselves are value-neutral. They are just very good at doing what they do. If you want to do selfish, greedy, intolerant and violent things, scientific technology will provide you with by far the most efficient way of doing so. But if you want to do good, to solve the world's problems, to progress in the best value-laden sense, once again, there is no better means to those ends than the scientific way."
-- both by Richard Dawkins
Far, far, far less than any halfway functional state, any government that fulfills its part of the social contract.
Compare poverty in the USA, in Sweden 100 years ago, and in Sweden today -- and weep.
Posted by: raven | March 14, 2009 8:45 PM
Unless they are gay, scientists, MDs, or members of the wrong sex, race, nationality, political party, and especially the wrong religion.
In the USA, the Death Cult version of xianity has served mostly as a vehicle for the Nihilistic Christofascists aka as Haters, Liars, and Killers for jesus bunch.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 8:45 PM
Pork belly is braising in some barleywine and root vegetables. House is smelling like melting porcine lipids.
Beer is flowing.
Just watched last nights Battlestar Galactica.
Might have to throw on some Miles or maybe James Brown and all in the world will be good.
Posted by: Tark | March 14, 2009 8:45 PM
Humble apologies. Remove duplicate "and" from earlier post and change "to" to "too" in prior post.
Think, Read, Check, Post. Repeat. Drink bacon ale and fart.
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 8:46 PM
Pete you fuckwit, it's not my recipe.
It isn't my job to be insulting, I'm here to be vulgar and obscene.
Oh, and gruesome.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 8:46 PM
Hey, while we're on the topic of the "Moonies," here's a great quote from somewhere:
Nice.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:46 PM
Bad will and knowledge are greater than good will and knowledge? Subtract knowledge from both sides, you get "Bad Will > Good Will."
Nice to know where you stand.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 14, 2009 8:47 PM
Rev, can I come over?
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 8:47 PM
Pete SBG Rooke said:
Surely you can't be serious. I assume you actually meant to say “atomic weapons research”.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 8:48 PM
Actually Pete that wasn't fair. I actually like Allison Krauss and have seen her and Union Station a few times live.
However i'm pretty sure that your intention posting that video was not about the music but about the video someone created to go with it and the undertones of why.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:48 PM
Does anyone else share my passion for chickpeas?
Hummus/roasted/soups/curries they are absolutely delicious. And they are good for you.
I also have a recipe for hummus with pesto if anyone is interested.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:49 PM
"Even the son of god had to die my darling"
Go on, say it!
For my dear sweetie, the Rookie, who wants me to get to my knees and pray.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:50 PM
Pete, exactly why do you feel compelled to spew your bullshit here?
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 8:50 PM
As long as we're sharing music Pete...
Tool's "Opiate" "Jesus Christ why don't you come save my life now, open my eyes blind me with Your light now.
Tom Waits' "Chocolate Jesus."
As Tom puts it an "immaculate confection."
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 8:50 PM
hell yeah
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 8:51 PM
I do like hummus, lovely stuff. Wish I had some now, though that would require me putting on pants and walking to the store.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 14, 2009 8:51 PM
Dan - thanks. Sounds like a lot of hard work though. I'll see if I can write some sort of script to do it for me next time.
El
woodPosted by: cpsmith | March 14, 2009 8:51 PM
Speaking of offensive crucified things, my friend bought me a keychain that consisted of a little metal whistle in the shape of a crucified Jesus. It is the best keychain ever.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:52 PM
For you, Janine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 8:52 PM
Oh, and this one's especially for Pete's sensibilities: Nine Inch Nails: Head Like A Hole.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 8:52 PM
Dan J. @ 499.
If you're asking whether or not you are God...
you might not be him/her/it.
Maybe you're all-powerful today, but not all-knowing. It could happen.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:53 PM
@523:
This song comes to mind right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZSbIwE_BKM
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:53 PM
Pete, your humus is under a safety alert. As safety officer for Pharyngula, since you are a troll, all recipes must be put through a safety check by a secondary source. Until then, your recipe is off limits to the True RegularsTM.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 14, 2009 8:54 PM
Patricia - if you're telling Pete to crucify himself, I have to mention that it's impossible. There's just no way you can hammer in the last nail.
(Thanks to Neil from the Young Ones for that gem!)
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 8:55 PM
Ichthyic #502:
Well, it wasn't my direct point, but yes, I'd call early Christianity a cult. It hits several of the items on the list, though there are some cults which are even more extreme.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 8:55 PM
I also like those Jewish deep fried potato things. I don't know what they're called but it involves oil and are delicious.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 8:56 PM
Petey, more for you.
Wooooooooooooooooooooo
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 8:57 PM
Jadehawk, that is too sweet to be blasphemous.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 8:57 PM
The youtube music link that Pete sent to Janine featured a great illustration for all of Pete's fantasies. Lot's o' naked bodies writhing in pain. Self-righteous Dude front and center. Day of Wrath. Very Christian.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 8:57 PM
Latkas
and yes, very good.
Posted by: scooter | March 14, 2009 8:57 PM
Aww, I was just going to post my "Fucked-in-the-ass Gooseburger recipe but I guess I'll have to wait for the Christards to go to bed or they'll be gettin the vapors and clutching at their pearls and feinting and shit.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:57 PM
As safety officer for Pharyngula, since you are a troll, all recipes must be put through a safety check by a secondary source. Until then, your recipe is off limits to the True RegularsTM.Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 8:58 PM
Lynna: Your web address reminds me very much of another by an acquaintance of mine (currently traveling in Peru, I think): http://www.artistadventurer.com/.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 8:58 PM
Here's one especially for Pete Rooke. The Clancy Brothers & Tommy Makem "Isn't It Grand, Boys".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDfau1cmAmE
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 8:59 PM
Pete, perhaps you should listen to what XTC have to say.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 8:59 PM
Here's a recipe for everyone to ponder.
What you need:
1. A planet 91 million miles away from an orange-yellow star with plenty of CO2 and H20.
2. Several billion years.
Instructions:
1. Irradiate the planet for a few billion years until intelligent life has formed.
2. Reveal yourself to a tribe of primitives.
3. Wait a few thousand years.
Presto! Religious war!
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 8:59 PM
Early Christianity *allegedly had Jesus telling his followers that the only way to eternal life was through him, and anyone who followed him had to completely devote themselves to him. that sounds like the definition of a cult.
*if the bible is a collection of actual sayins by Jesus
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 9:00 PM
Kootenai Valley in northern Idaho contains the largest contiguous hops fields in the world. The nearest node of civilization is the Good Grief Café.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:01 PM
More music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5p_U8J0iRQ
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 9:01 PM
Yeah Lynna, your shots are very nice. I'm a bit of a photographer myself, though I do mostly landscapes and non-human related things.
Great stuff.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 9:01 PM
Even though he isn't here, I've got the perfect song for Walton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwNVE37BGVE
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:04 PM
I've enjoyed some of the music links although I am unsure of whether or not there is a subversive message lying hidden beneath the surface (considering the source...).
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:05 PM
Actually, I do enjoy Gregorian chant, as I find it very relaxing on occasion. Here's one of my favorites, though it's not what purists would appreciate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TtYURBc2kY.
Posted by: maureen | March 14, 2009 9:05 PM
It's possible that Walton isn't here because there's been a fire at his college - started in rubbish in the basement - limited damage but massive amounts of smoke.
Despite everything, I hope he's OK.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 9:07 PM
Oooohhh. Dan's friend's site (Anna) is lovely.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 9:08 PM
Here Pete, you might actually enjoy this one.
Not the original composer or performer but really fantastic none the less.
You can even read up on it here.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 9:08 PM
Pete Rooke #509 wrote:
Huh? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
Bad will with knowledge is more dangerous than bad will with ignorance? Or than good will with ignorance?
I think that, the more we learn and understand, the better. Keeping ourselves ignorant so that those of us who are "bad" will also remain ignorant is not likely to work, if we want to make the world better. You're likely to end up with evil geniuses taking over the world with their Death Rays.
Also, there's an awful lot of evil done, that is directly due to ignorance.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:09 PM
I also enjoy this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_pickle
Picture:
http://www.bohrabites.com/bottle/VegetableAcharBIG.gif
If you haven't tried it, you should. Brilliant.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 9:10 PM
Rookie, it is time for you to meet Diamanda Galas.
The Litanies Of Satan Part One
and
The Litanies Of Satan Part Two
Happy Nightmares, baby.
Posted by: Kobra | March 14, 2009 9:10 PM
@556:
No, we've all realized that it's more worthwhile to form a shadow government that rules everything than using direct force. :P
Posted by: Rick R | March 14, 2009 9:10 PM
Pete Rooke ignoring reality (again)- "Religion on the other hand accepts even those on the edges of society. You need no education. The poor are welcome. Black or white...
It was seen to be dominated by fanatics with haywire morals. In reality the religious today do an extraordinary amount for people on the edges of society: the poor and the forgotten."
And teh gays? The ones thrown out of their God-lubbin parents homes?
I've counciled some of those victims of your god's "love", Petey. Quite an example you christards set.
Suck my cock.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 9:12 PM
Oh stupid me. Sorry. Those were dan's friend's shots.
Me no read well.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 9:13 PM
Psalm 69
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:13 PM
Rev,
Never listened to anything of Coltrane's before but it is brilliant.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 9:13 PM
Pete "Total Fool" Rooke, your continued presence on this thread has re-awoken the trollishness of your posts. Not a good strategic move on your part. You were given many opportunities to shut the fuck up. You failed to do so, to your detriment.
Posted by: Stanton | March 14, 2009 9:14 PM
It's called "Crucified Trout" because it's nailed to a board.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 9:14 PM
No such nonsense here. Pharyngula is utterly and prouldly Versive in all things. And if you shut the fuck up with your stupid religious thing even you might enjoy it here Pete.Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 9:16 PM
Bye, all. Thanks for all the musical and artistic input; and for the snarky take-down of Pete the PR-for-Religion man. Am off to the Cowboy Roadhouse Lodge, and that's for-real how they name lodging establishments in Teton Valley. Later.
Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 14, 2009 9:16 PM
Tying the topics—at least the important ones—together:
Chocolate Jesus
And in honor of Scooter's excellent recipe:
Filipino Box-Spring Hog (We're talking barbeque here.)
Now that Kwok's gone, can I take a turn at namedropping? My Man Joe was there the night they eight-sixed Tom Waits from the Freight and Salvage Open Mic Night. Joe and a housemate were there with Waits, who was crashing with the housemate; he'd come to the SF Bay area in hopes of meeting real beatniks.
AFAIK Waits still owes the housemate ten (?) bucks.
This was before I met Joe, alas.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:17 PM
Janine, what was that???
It was not something anyone should have particular knowledge of and I hope you simply sought out something to be controversial and disturbing. I have to wonder about the moderation that takes place on youtube...
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:18 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Pete's not a bad person. I'm reasonably certain that he's not a violent psychopath. I would probably even enjoy sitting down at the pub to have a conversation with him over a pint or two. I'm also reasonably certain that it would come down to both of us being just as certain that the other is severely misguided, uninformed, and blind to the evidence of the other's views.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 9:18 PM
Dan J - If you like chant, have you heard - CHANT Music for the Soul by the Cistercian Monks of Stift Heiligenkreuz, Decca Records?
It's sorta new, and really good.
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 9:19 PM
The poor have been oppressed by the church for nearly 2000 years, it's only now in this time of secularism and democracy that the poor are being attended to. Religion may operate in those cases of poverty, but before the government stepped up efforts to ensure that the proles had adequate living resources. Yes the church should be commended for the way it helps the poor now, but it doesn't make up for the previous 2000 years of oppression and neglect. See the dichotomy of the starving poor pilgrims at the Vatican compared to the jewel-laden priests. See the elaborate churches in the poorest areas of Brazil. The modernisation of the church in some western civilisations has not adequately made up for the systematic money-hoarding and oppression of the poor as conducted by the church throughout it's history and indeed still in some communities today.
This isn't limited to Catholicism or even Christianity; this same system can be seen in all religions. When I was in Thailand I was aghast when I saw the buddhist temples there - solid gold Buddha statue inside with people begging outside and selling shitty merchandise to tourists so they can eat that day. So much for religion doing good in the world...
Posted by: lynna | March 14, 2009 9:20 PM
No problem, Rev. I got that immediately when you made the comment. Dan steered us right on that link. Now I really must leave this addictive blog. Friggin' choco Jesus recipes and bacon whatnots...I...can't...get...away...
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 9:22 PM
Dan J #552:
That was really nice. Metallica, Gregorian chant-style. Looks like they loved the stagecraft...
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 9:23 PM
Pete Rooke wrote:
Yep, that's the religious for you. If it doesn't fit with their limited view of the world then it should be hidden away. It's all made clear in the Adam & Eve story in the bible. Don't think for yourself; we'll tell you what you need to know.
Too bad, Rookie. We're all rooting for the snake here. Eat that apple, baby!
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:23 PM
Patricia: Thanks for that one; I'll have to look for them. I'm also fond of the multi-tonal chanting of Tibetan monks (See Overtone singing). David Hykes has done some marvelous work in this area after studying with monks in Tibet.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:24 PM
I'm sorry but I can't get over that Diamanda Galás link. That was very disturbing. And, to illustrate how Wikipedia can act, at times, as no more than a press release I quote about her:
Her works largely concentrate on the topics of suffering, despair, condemnation, injustice and loss of dignity. Critic Robert Conroy has said that she is "unquestionably one of the greatest singers America has ever produced"
Umm, NO! I defy anyone to look at that link and come to that conclusion. :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W803o5_r1mE
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp, | March 14, 2009 9:24 PM
Wait! you live in Teton valley? I lived just over the pass for 10 years.
Posted by: Dahan | March 14, 2009 9:24 PM
Helioprogenus @ 15 (yeah, I know it's about a mile back there),
I play a fairly decent game of chess. What's your friends rating? I'd be willing to take him on for the honor of us skeptics.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 9:25 PM
Well... it works by elimination, to such an extent that I prefer to say it's a search for falsehood: the attempt to find everything that is false and to demonstrate why it is false.
Cannabinaceae.
Come ooooon! Being a Catholic, Pete doesn't believe in the Rapture!
Not where I come from.
And where I come from, Jehovah's Witlesses have been campaigning for official recognition for over 100 years and still haven't got it. If you use that criterion, it depends on the country whether something is a cult...
Also, German doesn't have separate words for "sect" and "cult".
Depends on your browser, I think. Or maybe you previewed; never click "post" when you're on the preview page, always go back and then click "post".
I'm allergic to nuts :-]
For the fun of it.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 9:25 PM
Not sure why he's got the "Round About Midnight" album cover up for Nefertiti
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 9:26 PM
controversial and disturbing? really? i got bored of it after 3 minutes, did i miss something interesting?Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 9:26 PM
You bloody stupid git, I do not like anything simply because it is controversial and disturbing. I happen to love Diamanda Galas.
And once more, I am grateful that prudes like you no longer run things.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 9:27 PM
Look out Janine, ol' sick Pete is getting friendly.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 14, 2009 9:27 PM
Just to be pedantic: it wasn't a snake and it wasn't an apple.
Not that it matters in the slightest, it's all fiction anyway.
El
woodPosted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:28 PM
Sastra: If you like the Metallica cover, check out Gregorian - The Dark Side. The "Special Rock Edition" contains "Nothing Else Matters" as a bonus track.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 9:29 PM
Rev! Fuckin' aye, man. From Jackson Hole to Pierre's Hole, you know it. But I can't afford to live there. I live out in the Snake River Plain, but drive to Teton Valley for work a lot (doing some writerly stuff for a proposed Greater Yellowstone GeoTourism Center, and for the Grand Teton Loop).
You're into landscape photography. Check my brother's work at www.wildernessbooks.com
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:29 PM
It reminded me of Dr Faustus attempting to summon Mephastopholis...
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 9:30 PM
Not sure why he's got the "Round About Midnight" album cover up for Nefertiti
Me either. But I love that song and album. Actually anything from the second quintet is probably my favorite jazz of all time.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:32 PM
I loves me some "forbidden knowledge"!
Truly enjoyed the Diamanda Galas! I've got a "thing" for interesting female vocalists, and she definitely makes the grade.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 9:33 PM
Will do.
And I couldn't afford to live there now working the jobs I did when I was there. I hear they've "Aspened or Veiled" up the place too much.
Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 14, 2009 9:33 PM
Damn, someone beat me to Chocolate Jesus in the time it took me to make the fuckin post.
However, Joe made that shoo-fly pie and he's making a lamb tagine for dinner even as I (slowly) type. So I'm cheerful.
Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 9:33 PM
"Silence is often the best contribution to make in a conversation."
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 9:36 PM
Dan, that was awesome. I pretty much view the world as being separated into Metallica, and then everyone else (it's a paratrooper thing). Often the covers rock almost as much as the originals, however. Nice.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 9:36 PM
Pete Rooke #567 wrote:
Yeah, I have to agree with Pete Rooke on this one. I did click one of the other videos and found one where she sounds a bit like Janis Joplin, but no way could I listen to an entire cd of The Litanies of Satan.
Ok, not true. It would depend on whether there was large amounts of money involved, or maybe a demand by my children's kidnappers.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 14, 2009 9:36 PM
Sounds like that Diamanda Galás woman has got an awesome sound system. It's amazing what you can do with a bit of sound processing. I know - it's what I do myself. Check my link for a whole catalogue of my own weird noises.
Don't think I could sit through a whole performance of hers though. I'm not quite that weird!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 9:36 PM
Damn, your bro has some amazing work. I'm really impressed.
Makes me miss being out west. Not to many scenics like that back east here.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:37 PM
You should check out F. W. Murnau's 1926 film adaptation. You can even legally download it at the Internet Archive (and other places).
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 9:37 PM
Dan J - If you are into Tibetian, you may or may not have heard of Nawang Khechog?
I have three of his CD's - Karuna, Quiet Mind and Tibet Cry of the Snow Lion. Those CD's have gotten me through some of the most horrific traffic snarls in reasonably good spirits.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 9:38 PM
Pffffffffrrrrreeeeeprpprpprprprprprppffffffffffffpprrrrrr
Wasn't me!
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:38 PM
If anyone would like information, or a dialogue on, any of my specialities including anything chickpea related or spicy vegetable achar or religion, then feel free to email me (pete.rooke(at) live .co.uk).
Posted by: Invigilator | March 14, 2009 9:38 PM
Before reading all the comments, I thought I would share an airport story. 1993. Flying from Moscow to Tbilisi, Georgia when things were still pretty chaotic in the early post-Soviet period. Flew from the States, got to Sheremetevo-II in the morning, took a cab all the way across Moscow to Domodedevo Airport for my flight to Tbilisi. There didn't seem to be any planes going there, even though they checked us in. They kept announcing that maybe there would be plane later. We went through border control about 4:00 in the afternoon, I think, waited till maybe 8:00; told there would be no plane that day but we should be back by 6:00 am. Dragged my bags to the airport hotel, which wouldn't take me because I was a foreigner; got a taxi to the Salyut Hotel in town, which was a dump, by around midnight, had some dinner, went to bed, got up again at 4:30 to go back to the airport, waited through several false alarms, and finally took off in early afternoon for Tbilisi in a TU-154 that was packed, with people standing up in the aisles and smoking during take-off.
No one know when I was getting to Tbilisi, so I hooked up with some other expats and went to their place to figure our where my OSCE Mission was.
More than 60 hours door-to-door, with about 4 hours in a bed. Don't know how I would have navigated if I didn't speak Russian either.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 9:39 PM
Pete Rooke, quoting the Wiki on Diamanda Galás:
Yeah! Those things are for the Church to exploit, not some singer. And especially not a [gasp] woman!
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 9:40 PM
Yep, my bro is an artist with the camera. I'll see if I can find a pic of him with camera to send to you. He can't write for beans, so we make a good team.
I hear that about the scenics. I like Manhattan, Boston, Cape Cod ... but it's different here. Not many people even know how to see the best stuff in Idaho, so I have a niche.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 9:41 PM
To the conclusion that Robert Conroy has said that she's "one of the greatest singers"?
Please.
You shouldn't post that late at night.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:45 PM
Patricia: Thanks for the tip on Nawang Khechog. I love flute music as well (Irish, Native American, Andean, etc.). My day job includes driving most of the day, so good music is an essential.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 14, 2009 9:45 PM
Rev. BDC:
Kind Of Blue is right up there for me. Though that's where I started, so it's warm and comfy and familiar. Nefertiti, In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew (Complete studio sessions.), Live Evil and On The Corner...I can just put my Miles folder on shuffle and let it ride. I've also got Tony Williams "Civilization" Sowetto Nights, holy shit.
Janine, Insulting Sinner: Diamanda Galas...Wow, I'm rather torn between captivated and repulsed, and tingly. Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_ot1kwTrs
Posted by: Aquaria | March 14, 2009 9:46 PM
Barb has to go.
She's vile and beyond reaching.
Toss her in the duck pit.
Or, if all we have is this island, feed her to the sharks. They'll survive, although eating that disgusting, hateful cow might make them meaner for a while.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 9:47 PM
excellent movie, but not for such faint-hearted mimosas who can't handle demonic special effects (most German Expressionist movies aren't, especially The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari )Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 9:47 PM
Tah, all.
Off to the groc for beer & supplies, then back to watch an episode of Rome on HBO @ 8:00 PDT.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
Posted by: MikeG | March 14, 2009 9:50 PM
damn! I sit down for a little of that fantastic bacon and potato thing chezjake posted about and the thread fucking exploded.
Anyway, though late to the party, Rookie said:
And the spanner can't be removed from the warplane it just finished building.
Science is a tool, you thick skulled ignoramus. Science is no more immoral than a hammer, no matter what science or the hammer were used for. Science can make us antibiotics or the nuclear bomb, just as a hammer can build a habitat for humanity house or bash someone's brains in. Does that make the hammer evil? Does that make all the houses built ethically questionable just because someone was killed with a hammer?
This last bit is just to piss you off, you sanctimonious cunt.
FUCK OFF!
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:51 PM
And remember, Pete, greatness is not always measured by popularity. Britney Spears has probably sold more CDs than Diamanda Galas (in the US), but I certainly wouldn't classify Britney among the greatest of singers America has produced.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 9:56 PM
It is near enough 2am here in the UK. At these times I often panic at the impending sense of my frailty and mortality. I start to think of myself as not just a thinking mind but a living organism. I almost feel trapped in my skin... Any advice???
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 9:56 PM
My musical tastes are rather eclectic, and quite varied. I'll have to direct you to a group called Leningrad Cowboys and their cover version of Sweet Home Alabama. And yes, that's the Russian Red Army Choir that's backing them up.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 9:56 PM
What do you think of Blood On the Risers?
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:03 PM
Welcome to reality! Just think; in the "big scheme" of things, none of us, as a single entity, really matters. We're all dying; literally. Mortality comes with the package, just some of us get there before others.
What to do about it? I manage to get through by not really giving a shit. Someone comes to me with a problem that IMO doesn't matter, and I just don't care. Is there something you can do about it? If yes, then try. If no, then don't worry about it. If you try and succeed; great! If you try and fail; oh well, shit happens.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 10:03 PM
It most explicitly was a snake, though it was by no means an apple.
Mephistopheles.
Linguistically interesting; it seems you really pronounce all unstressed vowels really identically and then have to make completely random guesses about how to spell them! That's something that isn't adequately taught when English is taught as a foreign language.
Considering expressionist German films from the 1920s, try Nosferatu, with the scary, scary Max Schreck in the title role. (...If you like being scared, that is. I don't.)
Posted by: Ciantic | March 14, 2009 10:06 PM
I hope we get to the comment #666 before PZ posts new entry.
Posted by: Lynna | March 14, 2009 10:07 PM
Couldn't resist. It's an open thread!
MALE POET ASCENDANT
Why do you persist
in puerile feminine verse
all woman that and women this
when you could be
doing something of use
like fucking me?
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 10:07 PM
OK all you nasty beer drinkers, here's a recipe from my brother.
Ladies, don't try these, and if you notice your man is putting up a batch get out the air fresheners and fire extinguisher.
Atomic Eggs
12 hard boiled eggs, peeled
2 Bay leaves
1 sprig Thyme
3 tablespoons chopped green onions
3 sprigs Parsley
2 small dried chili peppers
12 peppercorns
4 cups white wine vinegar
Layer the peeled eggs and herbs in the bottom of a large jar. Pour the vinegar over the eggs and herbs. Put a tight fitting lid on the jar.
Let this stand in a cool dark place for seven days.
After opening, the eggs will keep in a refrigerator for about two months.
Serve with beer.
Posted by: John Morales | March 14, 2009 10:08 PM
Pete Rooke @613,
Since you ask.1. Be rational. It's a feeling, the reality hasn't actually changed, only your perception.
2. Epicurus:
When I am, death is not, and when death is, I am not.
--
Re: recipes.
Bacon and sweet stuff?
Sheesh, is there nothing you Americans won't put sugar or sugary stuff on? Anchovies, maybe?
--
Janine, you shine.
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 10:08 PM
Ha! That's terrific. I hadn't seen that one before.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:10 PM
Potato skins with bits. Delicious as well. Add hummus too. You could also have vegetable achar on toast and make it a meal.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 10:11 PM
Stop wasting your life worrying about whether the superstitious, crowd-controlling nonsense cooked up by a bunch of scientifically illiterate goat-herders thousands of years ago has any validity in the modern world.
You are both a thinking mind and a living organism; the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Embrace your insignificance in the universe's big picture while simultaneously realising that said insignificance does not stop you from enjoying your life if you choose to - and remember that living (and enjoying) this life is the most important thing there is, because there isn't another (eternal or otherwise) after you die.
Posted by: Guy Incognito | March 14, 2009 10:12 PM
Coincidentally, that version of Nosferatu will be showing on Turner Classic Movies, Sunday (15th) at 10:00PM (MDT) here in the USA.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:13 PM
there isn't another (eternal or otherwise) after you die.
That seems undesirable. And afterlife, or not, there is no element of salvation in your picture.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 10:13 PM
Right back to the skins Pete. You just can't get enough of it can you.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:14 PM
David Marjanović said:
Nosferatu is definitely a classic. My wife and I have a rather large collection of horror films on DVD and VHS. I can't say that I really find them "scary", but we enjoy them immensely nonetheless.
As for older German films, let's not forget M, Fritz Lang's 1931 masterpiece. Even today, it's ranked 46 in IMDB's top 250 films. We've got the special edition from the Criterion Collection, and it's still one of my favorites.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 10:14 PM
Unhealthy. Consider how young you are, and how interesting the world is... perhaps have a peek at the fascination of the embolomeres... :-}
Well, that's what you are... :-|
Strange. I've never had that feeling.
Don't you feel it in your head when you think?
Go to bed. May sound trite and/or condescending, but I'm completely serious. Having finally caught up with this thread, I'll go to bed too (and here it's an hour later... man, am I tired...)
BTW, when I go to bed too late, the probability for nightmares increases...
And tomorrow, laugh at the Leningrad Cowboys. :-D <headdesk> They'll make you cackle with disbelief! An Austrian news magazine once described the 1970s as "an epoch marked by brutal ugliness". How true, how true.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 10:15 PM
Any advice?
1) Stop taking the wafers. You're a big boy now.
2) Read some good books about science, especially our most wonderful discovery - evolution. Bill Byrson's A Short History of Nearly Everything is great.
3) Resolve never to post apologetics or any any other shite religious stuff here. Questions about God? Ask a fucking priest. Question about general reality? Here.
4) Be good, refrain from doing evil.
Posted by: John Morales | March 14, 2009 10:15 PM
Oh yeah, re annoying posters:
I suggest that if Simon can't avoid posting about penes and anuses for (say) 3 consecutive posts, he should be the cull candidate.
The others mentioned are more fools than trolls, but Simon is a true troll, IMO.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:16 PM
Patricia, no I love them. Even though I'm a vegetarian I often add bacon bits under the cheese. Then add Tobasco. Delicious
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:17 PM
Ummm.... What's salvation?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:17 PM
Poor Pete just can't get past his religion. If he did, he wouldn't be on the "to be banned" list for our Survivor Pharyngula contest. Understand that Pete, your religion goes or you go. So far, you are choosing that you go.
Posted by: Blake Stacey | March 14, 2009 10:20 PM
On the recipe front: I recently decided to try adding chocolate chips to my fooberry bread, in addition to the fruit, and it worked very well.
Dan J:
"Dick Rooke" would be even better. Let's come back to my place, baby, and we'll castle your queenside. Oh, yeah. Bow chicka wow wow.
/me realizes he's posting while drunk, and wonders why he doesn't do this more often
Posted by: Sastra
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March 14, 2009 10:21 PM
Pete Rooke #613 wrote:
Yes: go to bed. It's 2 AM.
If you have trouble falling asleep, drink a bit of warm milk and read something nice and pleasant, maybe some comic short stories. If you still can't fall asleep, read something hard and technical you've been putting off, or do some other tiresome task. You'll still be sleepy, but with a feeling of virtue and accomplishment.
Leave Deep Thoughts for some time when your mind is clearer.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:22 PM
I don't know. I think it's possible that we might de-program Pete and turn him into a productive member of society.Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:22 PM
Yes I do get the feeling when I think as well. I would like to metaphorically release my thoughts into the open. My brain feels to big for my skull at these times (in all seriousness).
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 10:25 PM
Pete Rooke, somewhat unsurprisingly, wrote:
Desirability has bugger-all to do with it; I desire a Porsche 911 Carrera 4S with Sarah Shahi in the passenger seat - it doesn't mean I'm going to get it. That you desire heaven doesn't change the fact it doesn't exist.
What do I need salvation for? Sin is as much a figment of your imagination as heaven, angels and Jesus. That you've been brainwashed into believing all of humanity is inherently bad and deserving of eternal torment is possibly the most repugnant aspect of your religion known for its vile, antihuman sentiment.
There is no God, no afterlife, no such thing as sin and, therefore, no need of the concept of salvation. Once you realise that your life will improve no end.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:25 PM
Goodnight...
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:26 PM
Well Pete, are you ready to renounce your god and religion by publicly proclaiming god doesn't exist and the cat-o-lick church is a morally bankrupt institution? If not, shut the fuck up. You are still a troll to be banned.
Posted by: cicely | March 14, 2009 10:26 PM
I realize that Pete Rooke is under a SAFETY ALERT, but I'd still like to ask (because I do like chickpeas) that he be allowed to put an ingredients list on his recipe up at 493.
My idea of the difference between a religion and a cult is that the religion has social acceptability and respectability, while the cult does not. Different society, different acceptabilities.
And, not knowing whether anyone has linked this one yet, Jesus He Knows Me, by Genesis : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-rfCnW5VlE
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:27 PM
pete, it's called Thanatophobia and is no reason to hide from reality, be it in drugs, alcohol or religion. get therapy if you can't handle it yourself, you'll end up a saner and happier person.
in the short term, i'd suggest not staying up late on the internet by yourself. it's not good for your mental stability.
Posted by: Josh | March 14, 2009 10:27 PM
Welcome to reality. Nature really couldn't care less if we find the world to be desirable or not. Many find this to be a very uncomfortable realization. I found that it made perfect sense.
It in no way reduces my awe and amazement at the beauty, scale, and complexity of the universe. Quite the contrary. And it causes me to take life seriously and live the fucker. There are a finite number of moments in life; try not to waste them on bullshit.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 10:28 PM
"Having caught up with this thread" my ass.
Barbaric. Potato skins are not for eating. They're bitter. You remove them before eating (optionally even before cooking). And imagine, there are French people who don't know that!!!
Tssss. <headshake>
Evidently, you haven't been to China.
<sigh>
<headshake>
Hah. Alternatively, you might start worrying about whether the superstitious, but probably not crowd-controlling nonsense cooked up by a bunch of literate Sumerians even more thousands of years ago has any validity!
Sumerian afterlife: Everyone, or rather everyone's shadow, goes to the dark, depressing underworld and spends eternity eating mud and being depressed. Everyone. Regardless of works, faith, mercy, anything. Everyone. Even Gilgames"h", who was 2/3 god, 1/3 man.
Eh, I don't doubt that most horror films are scarier. But, for the reason I mentioned, I've seen almost none of them. Does "Carrie" even count?
I've seen the first three Scary Movies. Very funny, but pretty disgusting in large parts...
The argument from consequences is a logical fallacy. :-|
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 10:28 PM
What the hell do you need to be saved from Pete? Nothing.
Your colleague Barb hasn't answered my gospel question, perhaps you can?
Peter said to him: Since you have become the interpreter of the elements and the events of the world, tell us:
What is the sin of the world?"
The Teacher answered:
"There is no sin."
So if Jesus says there is no sin, who the hell are you to claim there is?
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:29 PM
Pete, I often tell this to a friend of mine when he's at odds with his thoughts about such matters: There is nothing outside your own head. Nothing, nada, zip. Everything in the universe is colored by your sensory input, and stored away or perceived by your mind in a manner compatible with what's it's perceived previously. The entire Universe is inside your head to do with as you will. And when you're gone, that lovely universe will simply vanish. Please make the best of the time that you have. Enjoy yourself. Have some fun!
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:29 PM
Pete Rooke wrote:
It's official. Bacon is an honorary vegetable.
Posted by: cicely | March 14, 2009 10:30 PM
I realize that Pete Rooke is under a SAFETY ALERT, but I'd still like to ask (because I do like chickpeas) that he be allowed to put an ingredients list on his recipe up at 493.
My idea of the difference between a religion and a cult is that the religion has social acceptability and respectability, while the cult does not. Different society, different acceptabilities.
And, not knowing whether anyone has linked this one yet, Jesus He Knows Me, by Genesis : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-rfCnW5VlE
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:30 PM
Cicely, do anything you want under your own risk. Keep in mind PR is a troll who should be banned, so his motives and recipe may not be benign.
Posted by: Random Chimp | March 14, 2009 10:31 PM
@ 'Tis Himself
I thought bacon bits were soy-based.
Posted by: Basset_Fan
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March 14, 2009 10:32 PM
Latke is the fried potato pancake.
Latka was Andy Kaufmann's character on Taxi.
Does anyone have a copy of Montanoosa Thunderbuck's LP, "Pipe, Bowl & Stem"? It has a killer version of Plastic Jesus. I loaned my copy to a friend thirty years ago and have never found a replacement.
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:32 PM
I don't know. We feel shame so surely there must be sin.
Posted by: Kel | March 14, 2009 10:35 PM
Or a means to emotionally link behaviour to social actions...Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:36 PM
Pete, what do you feel ashamed of? Are you ashamed of something because your priest/vicar/minister/mullah/etc. told you you should be ashamed of it? Or are you ashamed of something you did that hurt another being. If it's the former, then it's the religion's fault, not yours. If it's the latter, then make amends. There's no such thing as "sin". It's something that the religions made up in order to control their members.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:37 PM
Don't you feel shame, posting here where PZ bans and edits almost nobody, when your own blog is heavily moderated? Should you be under the same rules here? I would be more than happy to moderate/delete your posts if they are considered against the good name of Pharyngula. That means almost everything you post would be moderated. For example, I would delete your second sentence, since sin is a religious idea, not a secular one.Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 10:38 PM
That's called a headache, a symptom of too little sleep.
Sastra is right about the milk. (And use whole milk. Skimmed and semi-skimmed milk are materialized stupidity and just don't taste good.)
Also, I recommend reading the book "Unweaving the Rainbow" by... Richard Dawkins. Yes, that one. Not "The Selfish Gene", not "The God Delusion" (maybe later), but "Unweaving the Rainbow": it explains what science is, and it explains how beautiful the world is. You'll be surprised. It's a really beautiful book.
...Just don't start reading it in the evening, because then you risk staying up all night...
Posted by: Numad | March 14, 2009 10:39 PM
"Strange. I've never had that feeling."
Does that somehow belittle those who have similar feelings?
The thread has taken a un-empathic turn, even considering that we're talking about a response to undeniable trollery.
Is the blog supposed to be off-limits to theists? I was under the impression that it wasn't.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 10:39 PM
Sorry, but I'm going to have to go a bit John Kwok: I went to see Tim Minchin last night; he brought up, amongst other things, the concept of our insignificance in the universe and how accepting that fact doesn't (or, at least, shouldn't) make our lives any less enjoyable.
I just don't get how the religious will argue that our lives are any less meaningful if their invisible sky-fairy and Junior, the bad-performance-art-loving man-god, don't exist.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:40 PM
Random Chimp #651
I am shocked to discover that there are non-bacon bacon bits.
A sure sign of the Apocalypse.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 14, 2009 10:41 PM
I don't know. I Feel Love so surely we must dance.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 10:41 PM
Don't tell me you only feel shame because someone told you to. Really don't tell me that.
Nerd, shut up. You're getting repetitive and annoying.
Good night.
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 10:42 PM
Pete, you dumb ass there is no sin . Your own dumbass savior said it, not me.
And I'm still voting for you to be banned. Gullible twerp.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:42 PM
Wowbagger bragged:
But did you and Timmy go to high school together?
Posted by: Pete Rooke | March 14, 2009 10:43 PM
Those non-bacon bits look foul.
Posted by: clinteas | March 14, 2009 10:43 PM
Very late to the party.
Regarding Barb,Im with Sastra here,and while I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement,I think she should be allowed to stay,to show new readers and the whole world what happens to a human being that is brainwashed by religion.
Show the rot in all its abhorrent glory.
Posted by: Dahan | March 14, 2009 10:44 PM
Woot!
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:44 PM
pete, feeling shame is a simple mechanism required for society to function. all social animals have it, because without a way of preventing selfishness to cause harm to others in a group, the group cannot survive.
so when you do harm, you feel bad. and if you have someone convince you that something you did was harmful, then you feel bad whether what you did really was harmful or not. your priests' definition of what is harmful is what you call "sin". it doesn't mean that "sins" are real, or that doing sinful things is really harmful, only that your brain has been trained to react to them that way.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 14, 2009 10:46 PM
I don't see why. I'm just saying I have a hard time imagining such feelings. That's all.
Pete, dream of dancing with Janine. Don't be afraid of being misunderstood -- she's physically not capable of falling in love with you.
Good night.
Posted by: MikeG | March 14, 2009 10:47 PM
Interesting. Is there some humanity behind ole Pete after all?
Sin is a made-up construct of religion (made by humans, nothing else). Shame is more complicated than that. Shame can come from many sources. As Dan J mentions, shame can be induced by people with perceived authority, often with religious authority.
But, really, if you harmed no one (yourself included) why feel shame? If you can find the source, and it's real (i.e. you harmed some one), make reparations to the one you harmed (human, non-human, organization, whatever) as best you can and don't do it again. If no harm was done, take a real hard look at the source of your shame. It may turn out to be completely illusory.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:47 PM
Clinteas, if we keep Barb, then poor Pete "total fool" Rooke should be banned since he can't seem to get the idea that his opinion is worth far less than the dog shit we might step in if we go for a walk.
Posted by: Aquaria | March 14, 2009 10:48 PM
there is no element of salvation in your picture.
Wow. No salvation? How sad your life is that you think only a make-believe friend can help you when life is tough, or forgive you when you mess up.
No wonder you're such a despicable excuse for a human being.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:50 PM
Nerd, I'd rather keep Pete and get rid of Barb. she makes me nauseous.
Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 14, 2009 10:50 PM
I can't believe I'm doing this.
Pete Rooke @ 613: It is near enough 2am here in the UK. At these times I often panic at the impending sense of my frailty and mortality.
Read everything Robert Sapolsky ever wrote. I'd say he's theisim-neutral, even. If you ever get a chance to see him in person, take it: He's not your everyday stand-up anthropologist. The connection between your first two sentences will become more explicitly clear.
Everybody else, ditto, just for fun. Yeah I'm a fan.
Lynna @ 619:
MALE POET ASCENDANT
I greet you with the Snicker of Recognition.
Also, some Rebecca Solnit.
Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 10:51 PM
Yes, I think there's still hope for Pete, but Barb's a lost cause.Posted by: BMS | March 14, 2009 10:52 PM
Back from the store, beer in hand.
*ahhhhhh*
Okay, banning.
SfO.
end of line.
Posted by: Tark | March 14, 2009 10:52 PM
Janine @661 - Now, that's Satanic. I need to hide my shame...... in bacon dressing.
Every time my mind feels bigger than my head ...
I read Kliban cartoons and consider PI to a few extra places.
And David @657 - that book is required reading for ALL my children and really tops off this thread nicely.
Give us all a warm and slurpy snog!
Tax Religion. No Sin deductions allowed.
Tark
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 10:55 PM
I'm not gastricly capable of falling in love with the brainless git either.
And do try to lay off the Nerd. He's no where near as annoying or repetitive as two thousand years of lying for jezus. *snort*
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 14, 2009 10:56 PM
Evolution of social behaviour explains shame. Sadly, religion exploits this to convince the credulous of its validity - and this, as Pete has demonstrated, is an effective tool*.
'Tis Himself asked:
Nope. About the most famous person I went to school with was one of the guys trapped in the Beaconsfield mine disaster. Which is really odd considering that school is in Queensland, the mine is in Tasmania and I live in South Australia. Us Bowenites get around!
*Or, if you're feeling snarky, effective on tools.
Posted by: CSue | March 14, 2009 10:57 PM
JohnC @ too many posts ago -
No, that's not the Kwok I know (too good-looking). I roomed with a Susan Kwok at JHU about 24 years ago. My husband Tom met her brother, and apparently he's a paleo guy, and even HE thinks she's weird. (Notice he didn't answer me... heehee)
Posted by: prudence | March 14, 2009 10:57 PM
I agree Barb should be banned, not merely because she's a hateful numpty, but because she has the self-examination skillz of a goldfish. To wit:
"But with God, there are no gradations of sin --the arrogant and smug law-keeper is a sinner in God's sight, and He has harsh words for those who think of themselves as better than others."
Oh Barb, we have harsh words for you right here, no need to wait for the Almighty! You know, if you believe in that sort of thing.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 10:58 PM
Pete may be surprised to hear this, but I agree with you. Pete needs some humility though. We really don't give a flying fuck about his opinion, so he should acknowledge that, and allow all Pharyngulites to post at his blog without moderation/deletion. Since I don't see the latter happening (golden rule Pete, that makes you a hypocrite), I see two bannings for separate reasons.Posted by: Blind Squirrel FCD | March 14, 2009 10:58 PM
You aren't a vegetarian.
when this happens to me, it usually is gas.
Posted by: Numad | March 14, 2009 10:59 PM
"I'm just saying I have a hard time imagining such feelings. That's all."
Oh, sorry. It sounds like an anxiety problem, which isn't that uncommon.
My vote would go to Barb, personally.
Posted by: Susan | March 14, 2009 10:59 PM
Janine @ 193
Randy is wonderful. He did an entire album on God and the Devil, his own special interpretation of Faust. [His funny synopsis at the link.] In one of my favorite songs from that album, Glory Train, God (James Taylor) and his angels are singing a gorgeous Gospel Song:
Lift up your head and stand tall
Let faith be your only guide
With all that love inside you
Salvation cannot be denied
Just when the storm is breaking
Just when no hope remains
Rollin' into the station
Here comes the glory train
[Chorus]
Get on the glory train
Get on the glory train
It's rollin' into the station
Bound for glory, bound for glory
Get on the glory train
[There's a sudden rude interruption]
Devil [Randy]: If I might intrude
Just for a moment
If only to inject a note of reality
On this festive occasion
In all my life
I don't believe I've ever heard such bullshit
Even from you
A master of bullshit
You know it
I know it
It's bullshit
Bullshit
All of the faith and prayer in the world
All of your dumb show and circuses
You know it's a lie
It'll always be a lie
The invention of an animal
Who knows he's going to die
---
Ahhhhhh
Highly recommended. I wish there were an online rendition to link to, but no luck. His latest album, Harps and Angels also touches on religion and mortality a bit, and is brilliant.
Posted by: clinteas | March 14, 2009 11:01 PM
David M @ 662,
I agree.
Barb sure is a lost cause and a waste of Guanine,as I think AnthonyK said the other day,but there are people out there who have never seen this before,and for that reason I think she should stay.
The obviously mentally ill ones like GIL should go.
Posted by: Menyambal | March 14, 2009 11:01 PM
Hi, Invigilator.
I liked the story about getting to Georgia. Wow.
OSCE Mission, huh? One of my prized possessions is an OSCE bag that my sister gave to me. If you ever gave one away, thanks very.
It's on my desk now, reminding me of the places I've taken it.
There's an election observation mission forming up for Aceh, in Indonesia, perhaps. Good luck.
Posted by: Pacoyogi | March 14, 2009 11:01 PM
Best Breakfast Ever.
Toast a bagel. If you want, scoop out the soft insides.
Spread thickly with cream cheese. Chive is good.
Put at least 2 slices of Bacon on top. Three is better.
Top with a tomato slice.
Eat. Repeat.
Posted by: procyon | March 14, 2009 11:02 PM
Barbs' brain is irredeemably, irreparably Christ-contaminated and letting her post here is useless, annoying and counterproductive. She's unfortunatley a total waste of time and energy for the un-Christ-corrupted, vile and lacking in humanity. Fuck her.
Posted by: Blind Squirrel FCD | March 14, 2009 11:03 PM
Correct above:
You aren't a vegetarian.
Not quite sure how I did that.
Posted by: Stanton | March 14, 2009 11:08 PM
GRAVLAX
Sauce
3 tablespoon (cooking) oil
red wine vinegar
1 tablespoon sugar
1/3rd teaspoon salt
pinch of white pepper
3 tablespoon mustard sauce
3 tablespoon minced dill
Blend together all ingredients except dill. After blending, add dill, or serve it in separate bowl.
The Gravlax
2 pounds centercut FRESH salmon
1/4 cup salt
1/2 cup sugar
1 bunch coarsely chopped dill
2 teaspoons crushed white peppercorns
Scale and debone the salmon, cutting the fish into two pieces along the line of the backbone. Do not rinse the fish, instead, wipe or pat dry with paper towels. Mix salt and sugar and rub the fish with the mixture. Sprinkle part of the sugar+salt and some of the dill in a deep enamelware or earthenware baking dish. Place one piece of salmon, skin-side down, in the dish, then sprinkle generously with dill, crushed peppercorns, and sugar+salt. Make sure that there is a thick layer of dill covering the piece. Cover up with the second piece, skin-side up so that they match back together.
Sprinkle the salmon with remaining sugar+salt, then cover with a sheet of aluminum foil weighted down with a cutting board. Allow fluid to leach out of the fish for about 4 to 5 hours, which is then poured off. After that, refrigerate the gravlax for 48 hours, turning it around at least twice during this period.
When you are ready to serve, cut slices free of the skin and saute the skin with butter in a skillet. The sauteed skin is to be used as garnish, along with cucumber slices, lemon wedges and more dill. Serve with gravlax sauce.
Or, if eating uncooked fish is unappealing, one can always enjoy barbecued gravlax. When ready to barbecue, skin the pieces starting at the tail ends, then set the skin aside. Cut the fillet into portion-sized pieces, and wrap them in foil, though leaving the top unwrapped. Cook the fish in a charcoal grill with the lid on in order to capture the smoke-flavor until the flesh flakes easily with a fork. The skin should be cut into strips and sauteed until brown and crispy, with one portion served with one strip and a helping of gravlax sauce. A cucumber salad is strongly recommended as an accompaniment. 5 pounds of salmon will make about 6 servings.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 14, 2009 11:09 PM
Bacon
That is all.
Posted by: Monado | March 14, 2009 11:09 PM
432, I think that one main difference between a religion and a cult is that a religion's beliefs and precepts are public: what you see is what you get. (E.g., flip open a prayer book and read the Nicene Creed, listing the things that church-goers agree to believe in.) A cult has secret beliefs that are known only to an inner circle; and there might be more than one inner circle: newbies, initiates, advanced initiates, adepts, etc. So Scientology is still a cult, with their secret (although leaked) beliefs in aliens, multiple souls, and their commandment that "it's OK to lie to outsiders."
Posted by: Skemono | March 14, 2009 11:12 PM
Well, if we're sharing recipes... how about Fresh Donkey?
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 14, 2009 11:14 PM
Clinteas wins the #666.
Good night ya rowdies.
Posted by: Random "Bacon-loving" Chimp | March 14, 2009 11:15 PM
Bacon FTW!
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 11:17 PM
One of my all time favs (I seem to have a lot of all time favs). Twenty years ago, there was a show called Night Music. On a typical show, one could get Al Green, Sun Ra and Syd Straw. Or perhaps The Residents backing up Conway Twitty. Needless to say, a music show this brilliant could not last. (Will this show ever be released on DVD?) Here is Sonic Youth at the height of their power, they just released Daydream Nation. So here is Kim Gordon doing I Wanna Be Your Dog with The Indigo Girls and the house band backing them up. Great fun!
Posted by: Blind Squirrel FCD | March 14, 2009 11:20 PM
The Rev sez:
Yes, unless they are labeled "real". The flavor is yeast-based and comes in 50 gal. drums. It has to be handled like toxic waste. The person who measures it out has to wear protective clothing. The odor permeates everything. You can get kicked out of a bar after a shift at the plant. I won't tell you how I know this.Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 14, 2009 11:22 PM
well, that would certainly qualify early Christianity at least as a cult, since it was one of the many Mystery Religions popular at that time.Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 14, 2009 11:24 PM
Patricia
I have been very repetitive on the Science of Watchman thread, as the creobots Alan Clarke and RogerS just won't provide evidence for their imaginary creator. It is their weak point, and I am slamming them on it almost every post for the last few days. And with puerile Pete, I do chase him around too much and point out his general uselessness, but I am not the only one to do so. So DM may have a point. Your support is appreciated in any case. Anyway, bed time.Posted by: Monado | March 14, 2009 11:26 PM
624, Pete, live your life so that people will miss you when you die. Leave people better off for having met you. Write an immortal book, if you like (harder than it looks). Find something that hurts people (like being forced to bear children that they don't want) and help to put it right. Hie yourself off to Africa and help to build houses or schools or wells. Or contribute to well-building and a micro-loan bank. Demand reform of a system that allows debt slavery. Learn to bake and give away part of what you make. Teach someone a skill. Teach someone to read. Help out at an old folks' home when it's not Christmas. Get to know your older neighbours and make sure they're OK. Make sure that everyone has the same pay, the same treatment before the law, and the same respect as a white male heterosexual.
Do as you would be done by. Be done by as you did. This is the first and great commandment, according to Jesus when he explained that the rich man was going to hell for not helping the poor and the beggar at the gate was going to heaven.
Posted by: Mena | March 14, 2009 11:26 PM
I wasn't going to get into this since I just filter out people who are guaranteed to be annoying but I saw what Barb posted about Janine on that other thread. She has GOT to go. Barb, if you are reading this, Janine is gay for the same reason that I'm left handed so please try to mind your own business. Please?
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 11:27 PM
I think I am more fortunate than you Wowbagger. I do not desire such a car, and my lack of desire is entirely satisfied by its continuing absence. I count myself fortunate in having many many undesires in life pleasingly unsatisfied. It must be because I haven't been praying to ungod. At any rate, I'm not doing something right.Posted by: Dan J
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March 14, 2009 11:27 PM
Janine said:
It seems there was a Petition to reissue Night Music (Sunday Night) TV series on DVD or iTunes, but it seems to have been inactive for quite some time. Like so many other great shows, this one seems to be unavailable for the time being. It seems that it was re-broadcast in Japan a few years ago, so the tapes are still out there somewhere.
Posted by: Stanton | March 14, 2009 11:27 PM
Squid in Mushroom Sauce
2 lbs squid
1/2 cup olive oil
1 garlic clove, chopped
3 anchovy fillets, chopped
1 teaspoon minced parsley
1/4 cup dry white wine
1/4 cup dry vermouth
2 tablespoon tomato sauce
salt and pepper
4 ounces canned mushrooms with juice
Cut squids into small pieces, washing well. Heat the olive oil in a saucepan, then add chopped garlic, anchovy and parsley. While the oil and stuff simmers, mix the wine and vermouth, then pour in. Next, add the tomato sauce, a generous dash of salt and pepper, and the mushrooms plus their juice. Finally, add the squid. Now cover the pan, and let cook over a medium flame for 10 minutes. Test the squid for tenderness. Serves 4.
Posted by: Random Chimp | March 14, 2009 11:28 PM
@ Blind Squirrel FCD
You might want to take a look at who posted that comment about bacon bits again.
Rev.BigDumbChimp and Random Chimp are two very different chimps.
Posted by: co | March 14, 2009 11:31 PM
AnthonyK, @ 421: Great movie! I hear it's a fuckin' fairy tale.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 11:31 PM
Damn, now I am going through the Night Music clips. There are some treasure. Here is Mary Margaret O'Hara doing When You Know Why You're Happy. It is from the only CD she ever released, Miss America. She is kind of in Jane Siberry territory. And, yes, she is Catherine O'Hara's sister
Posted by: dp | March 14, 2009 11:31 PM
Not just bacon. . .CRISPY bacon.
Posted by: Evolving Squid | March 14, 2009 11:39 PM
I feel your pain having to fly via Bloomington. My work used to take me to Bloomington, IL from time to time. Usually, I'd fly to Chicago and drive there. One time, for reasons that escape me to this day, I decided to fly.
The experience was somewhat less pleasant than taking the Elbonian slingshot.
But the worst of it was when I was leaving. I'm sitting there at the bustling (cough) Bloomington airport. I'm on time, I'm checked in, I'm good to go. But I notice, as I look out the window, that there's no plane at the gate. Not a good sign for the first flight of the day.
Sure enough, the boardign time passes, then the leaving time passes and they finally announce that there's a delay. duh.
Bored, I inquire at the gate what the delay might be.
I'll credit them for not making up a lie, although given their answer I kind of wish they had.
It seems the ground crew "forgot" to tow the plane over. Yeah, they were just standing around, shooting the shit, and forgot the fucking plane. I can just see this crack team of rocket scientists standing around below the jetway looking at the empty space... Gomer looks over to Bubba and says "Gee whiz Bubba, y'all know somethin' don't look right this mornin'. I wuz sure we wuz s'posed to do somethin'"
Never again.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 11:41 PM
Bootsy Collins!
Posted by: Blind Squirrel FCD | March 14, 2009 11:42 PM
Random Chimp Sez:
Damn! Screwed the pooch again! This thread is moving too fast for me.(like the rest of the world.) My apologies.Posted by: Matt | March 14, 2009 11:48 PM
I wanted to comment over 1000, but I have to watch BSG
Posted by: Epikt | March 14, 2009 11:50 PM
Big Mike:
Ah, another Zoe Keating fan. Are you a Loopers Delight member by any chance? She posts there when she's between tours. Genuinely nice person. And she makes elegant and accessible music.
Every once in awhile NASA does something uncharacteristically cool. A year or two ago, they hired her to play at the Yuri's Night celebration at NASA ARC.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 14, 2009 11:51 PM
I always like the story of one of the crews on Skylab back in the '70s. They got fed up of NASA's constant schedule, having every moment of their lives organised. So they went on strike. They put their feet up, watched the earth, relaxed and just...were. NASA crumbled. Space Strike - yeah!
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 14, 2009 11:52 PM
Nick Cave do a slowed down and stripped down version of The Mercy Seat. Wow!
Posted by: prudence | March 14, 2009 11:57 PM
Greetings from the ass-end of Asia, where I'm currently on assignment. For my beloved Pharyngulists, a porky recipe from Shanghai. China is home to more than a BILLION atheists if you follow the GodisLove nutburger interpretation.
1lb pork belly cut into 1 inch cubes
2 tsp rice vinegar (but go ahead and use whatever vinegar you have, balsamic works fine too)
1 tsp shao xing rice wine (or white wine)
3 tsp dark soy sauce (or regular)
3-4 tsp sugar
1.5 tsp five spice powder
1/2 tsp ground pepper (freshly ground!)
2-8 cloves of garlic (to taste, I LOVE garlic)
2 inches fresh ginger root (peel with a teaspoon, it totally works!)
1 pint water (or so)
a dash of sesame oil
chopped green onions and cilantro to garnish (just as good w/out, though)
1. Pan fry pork cubes (in a little sesame oil) and garlic for a min or two.
2. Add remaining ingredients, simmer very gently.
3. Continue braising for 30 mins.
4. Serve with rice and veg.
5. Marvel that we all have similar moral codes, while having different belief systems. Buddhists don't even believe in a god, yet are not judgmental douchebags.
Wassail! (The English version of bon appetit)
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 14, 2009 11:57 PM
Janine
Y'know, Bootsy even dresses like that when he's stepping outside to get his paper.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 12:06 AM
Kitty's Bitch
Quote Max Bialystock, That's it, baby, when you've got it, flaunt it, flaunt it!
Posted by: Epikt | March 15, 2009 12:07 AM
Pete Rooke:
Download all the Diamanda Galas you can find, and mainline it. It will help you sleep.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 12:11 AM
Jo-El Sonnier and Richard Thompson teaming up for Tear Stained Letter. Strange that Jo-El Sonnier had a number one country hit with a cover of a Richard Thompson song.
Posted by: DominEditrix | March 15, 2009 12:14 AM
@109: Personally, I favour a Shakespeare, Lettuce and Tomato sandwich.
FSM, over 700 comments and no one has mentioned Pig Candy??? Thick rashers of bacon, dredge in brown sugar, broil on rack until bacon is done/sugar has caramelised.
I must admit that this thread has made me regret that I bought 20lbs of beef today, but no bacon. Fortunately, there is some in the freezer.
Goyishe latkes: add crumbled crisp bacon to potato-egg-matzo meal mixture before frying. Serve with apple sauce.
Posted by: Scott from Oregon | March 15, 2009 12:14 AM
Can osteoporosis and muscle atrophy combine to make an old lady's legs float excessively?
Posted by: Monado | March 15, 2009 12:22 AM
Barb must go. Mean-minded and stupid to boot.
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 12:24 AM
methinks a little blues is in order....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=724c8pQ9bRo
Posted by: MetalSeagull | March 15, 2009 12:29 AM
I spent 9 hours in a hospital waiting room today. Weekdays at the hospital are very busy, but I had the whole room to myself today. No other people waiting, and an unmanned reception desk.
After 3 hours, a nurse came to talk to someone else's family, but they weren't there.
After 4 hours, I decided I needed to go to the cafeteria before it closed. The food looked good, tasted bland, and sat in my stomach like a rock.
I spent the next hour wondering if that was the time the doctor had come out to speak to me.
Posted by: Epikt | March 15, 2009 12:31 AM
Sastra:
Reminds me of that old story about somebody listening to a twentieth century atonal classical piece shouting, "All right! Stop! I'll confess!"
It's really important that stuff like this exist. We all need to be knocked out of our complacency once in awhile. And I really do find an odd beauty in her work. It's just that you have to jettison your expectations with regard to conventional tonality, conventional vocal technique, conventional instrumentation, and--well, almost everything else. It certainly isn't meant for casual listening, and I've always found that that type of music demands that you set aside time for it, and listen with the same kind of intensity that went into its making. You have to meet the artist halfway if you want to get much from it.
Posted by: Rey Fox | March 15, 2009 12:32 AM
Bacon?
I say, don't ban the Rooke. I mean, what's more fun than a guy who faints at the sight of a four-letter word? Keep him around. Barb isn't the worst homophobe we've ever had around here, but she seems to have burned enough bridges with everyone. Personally, Facilis is tops on my banination list for sheer obstinate TEDIOUSness.
Posted by: Monado | March 15, 2009 12:35 AM
I mean stupid in "no clue how she's wrong, doesn't want to learn," not IQ-challenged.
Steeleye Span: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzwbYyvWiU
"All Around My Hat" - a cultural ancestor to "Around her neck she wore a yellow ribbon"
Posted by: Epikt | March 15, 2009 12:37 AM
Rev. BigDumbChimp
You'd probably like the post-millenial remix: "A Loan Subprime."
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 12:43 AM
John Cale, Shaun Colvin and Richard Thompson doing a very slowed down and haunting cover of Heartbreak Hotel.
Shortly after this, Shaun Colvin was part of the Richard Thompson Band for one US tour. She replaced both Clive Gregson and Christine Collister who had just divorced and ended their musical partnership.
I would like to see a John Cale and Richard Thompson team up for one project.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 12:50 AM
Monado, that reminds me, I ready need to get some more Maddy Prior. I have liked what I have heard of her.
Posted by: Ciaphas | March 15, 2009 12:53 AM
There seems to be a shortage of bacon in this thread, so I thought I'd try to help out. This is from memory so the amounts might be a bit off.
Butternut squash soup with apple and Bacon.
1qt chicken or vegetable broth
4cups (2lbs?) butternut squash, cut into 1/2 inch cubes. Remove peel and seeds.
8 slices of bacon diced. (I advise a bit more, to replace bacon lost through snacking).
1 large green apple (granny smith seems to work well) cored and diced.
1tbs fresh sage.
salt and pepper to taste.
In a large stockpot, cook the bacon until kinda crispy. Remove witha slotted spoon so the bacon fat stays in the pot and set aside.
Brown butternut squash in the bacon fat. Should take about 5 minutes.
Add the apple, sage, salt, pepper. Cook another 5 minutes.
Add broth and scrape the crunchy bits off the bottom of the pot. Boil for 8 minutes.
Let cool for a bit.
Add half the bacon and puree until smooth. A normal blender will work but is a pain in the neck.
Reheat if you need to.
Garnish with remaining bacon
Eat
To complete the meal I tend to go with a simple green salad and some nice bread. I take no credit for this recipe, I got it out of the magazine Fine Cooking. I keep it in my "recipes to serve to company" folder at home, but I'm at work so this'll have to do. Should be close enough that no one will die following these instructions.
Also I'd like to thank all the posters at Pharyngula for keeping me entertained for three very boring days at work.
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 15, 2009 1:00 AM
Janine @697
Sounds like some of the artists on Stay Awake, gathered to cover vintage Disney songs. No lullabies. Let me know if this link to an mp3 of Tom Waits singing Heigh Ho doesn't work.
Interviewer: "Are there any special techniques you use to keep your voice in shape?"
Tom Waits: "Yeah, I gargle with my own urine."
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 1:01 AM
That does not sound overly reassuring however,you know ! LOL
Yes,I too have spent many a boring night shift hour on this blog in the wee hours of the morning before the 6 o'clock drama eventually rolls in the door...Pharyngula never stops,its beautiful !
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 15, 2009 1:13 AM
a very slowed down and haunting cover of Heartbreak Hotel
And this, only because nothing is sacred.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 15, 2009 1:14 AM
http://www.nantucketoffshore.com/ourproducts.aspx?catid=-1
With all the foodish talk going on, this fitting. Good spice rubby stuff.
Posted by: Kseniya | March 15, 2009 1:30 AM
I think the "haunted" version of Heartbreak Hotel must have come from John Cale. I heard it on some old vinyl record that (IIRC) included some people named Mike Oldfield and Niko. I don't know much about them, or it, except that it was a live recording, a concert. I suppose Google can tell us more, but I'm feeling lazy.
Posted by: Pimientita | March 15, 2009 1:39 AM
Wowbagger, you can find the Smells Like Teen Spirit cover on the Crucify EP.
One of my favorite Tori covers, btw.
Good shit.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 1:46 AM
Ciaphas
I like your style and I love Butternut squash soup.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 1:48 AM
Ken, the link that says "Heigh Ho" goes to the Amazon page of Stay Awake. But here is a live recording of Heigh Ho.
There is a reason why there is a similar tone with the Night Music clips and albums like Stay Awake and Lost In The Stars. Hal Willner was the producer for the show and those albums. Lost In The Stars was my introduction to Kurt Weill and German Kabaret (As Ute Lemper says; "Kabaret with a 'K'".
I love Stay Awake. I cannot say which I like best. Los Lobos doing I Want To Be Like You. Tom Waits doing Heigh Ho. Suzanne Vega doing Stay Awake. Syd Straw doing Blue Shadows On The Trail. Betty Carter doing I'm Wishing. The Replacements doing Cruella De Ville. Sun Ra doing Pink Elephants.
Hal Willner is also responsible for my second favorite Marianne Faithfull album, Strange Weather. I do not think I have to say what her best album is?
Posted by: Kseniya | March 15, 2009 1:48 AM
[catching up]
I'm terribly disappointed that Pete Rooke didn't put me on his "eviscerate" list. I guess I've been away too long, and he's forgotten that I had him pegged for a deluded fool from day one, and have never had any qualms about mocking him.
Perhaps I don't say "fuck" enough.
Is Pete teachable enough to perhaps be convinced that soap operas aren't real, and that they do not portray or represent the typical behaviors of real people? If so, then I still vote for putting Barb on the Pharyngula Wheel and seeing if she's got what it takes to stay on the island.
Did I forget to mention that Pi Day is to be followed by Mixed Metaphor Day?
Posted by: Peter McKellar | March 15, 2009 1:49 AM
Late to the party as clinteas noted - the thread has taken most of the day to get to here and I don't dare hit refresh until I've posted or it will be another 2 hours!
My vote goes for Barb - useful for the uninitiated I agree, but there are plenty like her. Simon is really pissing me off also, and I agree with others, he is just a troll with no interest in debate.
Others I can handle and they are good for developing argument skills.
Janine, the audiophile - Nick Cave rocks. I will check some of the other links posted by yourself and others. The musical interests of phyrangulites is excellent.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 1:49 AM
oh
hell
yeah
Posted by: Ciaphas | March 15, 2009 1:50 AM
Considering the people I know, I felt that was all I could say. After all I couldn't remember the heat that should be used which might let them burn down the house.
I still remember being the first one waking up after a New Years party and deciding to make breakfast for the young ladies who's couch I'd slept on. The fridge was a disgrace, all I managed to scrounge together was eggs, colby jack cheese and processed lunchmeat turkey. So I made omelettes. I woke them up and gave them their omelette and a glass of milk and went back to make my own.
They were very ethuiastic about their breakfast and demanded to know how I'd managed it. This confused me for a bit since it was just omelettes. Eventually the story came out that the last time any of the girls had tried to make omelettes she had burned them so badly that the pan had been ruined and the smoke alarm was set off.
No one getting killed is about the best I ever hope for.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 1:52 AM
Oh, Ken, I have a copy of Un-Led-Ed. Heartbreaker At The End Of Lonely Street is a scream. Yet it is so well done.
Posted by: DLC | March 15, 2009 1:52 AM
I'll be the one eating the bacon cheeseburger and reading A briefer history of time even though none of the material in it is new to me.
If I had to vote someone off the petri dish, I'd say -- I'll sell my vote to the one who has some thick cut hickory smoke bacon.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 1:53 AM
mother popcorn
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 1:56 AM
Blow that horn Maceo
Posted by: Peter McKellar | March 15, 2009 1:58 AM
Having finally caught up on the thread thunderstorms mean I will need to power down and unplug.
"someone called Mike Oldfield" - that has to be from "tubular bells" fame.
Janine - I saw Marianne Faithfull live about 10 years ago, cafe style with only a few hundred in the audience and she spent half the concert taking requests - absolutely amazing. Some kid in the front row called "Why dya do it?", she glared down at him and said "You weren't even fucking BORN when I recorded that!!!"
best album? Her "Best of" of course ;) That's all I actually have of hers, but brulliant.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 1:58 AM
unh
Posted by: Kseniya | March 15, 2009 1:59 AM
And another thing. I have a nomination for Best New Handle:
Bone Oboe
Love it, just love it. Don't know why. Just do.
Ok, I do know why. Sort of. One, it suggests anagrams and palindromes, without actually containing any. (Though perhaps it's a play on "bonobo"?) Two, it evokes a visual is both striking and cool. And I bet a real bone oboe would sound bitchin'. (I'm a single-reed player, but do adore the sound of double-reeds. There - I've given myself away!)
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 2:01 AM
Kseniya, Nico was in the Velvet Underground along with John Cale for VU's first album, The Velvet Underground And Nico. Femme Fatale She had her own singing career after leaving VU. You would best know Mike Oldfield for Tubular Bells.
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 2:04 AM
Marianne Faithfull !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9w2hJIqUk
And to compare :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipv-IOzPZZk
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 2:10 AM
"Happiness is hearing Fred Wesley play the trombone" - James Brown
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 2:10 AM
Peter McKellar, Best Of...? Why D'ya Do It?
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 15, 2009 2:12 AM
The voice introducing the instruments on Tubular Bells was Vivian Stanshall, echoing his performance in Bonzo Dog's Intro and Outro
Here's another shot at the Stay Awake version of Tom Waits Heigh Ho.
Posted by: Kseniya | March 15, 2009 2:15 AM
Janine, thanks for the info. I will have to educate myself on those things. I'm a student of music, but that was all way before my time. I was born in 1984...
My dad's a musician, though, and he loves to turn us on to cool "old" stuff. Ok, old stuff without the quote, too, like Bach and Bartok, along with everything from Traffic to Chicago to Cat Stevens to King Crimson to Eno to Yes to Nick Drake. This month he's been hooked on Led Zeppelin. The fun never stops. No Mike Oldfield, though. That came from a guy I played guitars with.
Dad's cool. He brought the new Neko Case and M. Ward CDs home a couple of days ago. Nice stuff. I love Neko's voice so much. She's a great harmony singer.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 2:16 AM
Clinteas, amazing what years of smoking, drinking and drug abuse can do to a voice. She only has a rasp now but damn, she knows how to use it. Sliding Through Life On Charm
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 2:19 AM
Me Big Chief and I'm Feelin' good
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 2:21 AM
Janine,
are you talking about Marianne Faithfull or Keith Richards? LOL
Nice link to "Sliding",thanks !
Did she just sing "Now everyone wants to kiss my snatch"?
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 2:22 AM
Kseniya, I am also a huge fan of Neko Case. I have been listening to Middle Cyclone often the past couple of weeks. Great album but there are times I wish she would record an other barn burner like Furnace Room Lullaby. There was a time I could hear her sing with the likes of Sally Timms in a storefront in Chicago.
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 2:24 AM
PZ wrote:
My nominee to be voted off Pharynguland is Simon.
His comments are a creepily revolting amalgam of religionuttery and his obsessions with homosexuality, poop, anal sex, incest, and pedophilia. His idea of a scathing and insightful response to other posters is to mix and match claims about these obsessions and his claims that the other posters--or members of their families--are engaged in, or themselves obsessed with, them.
As for challenges for any of the creationists who comment here, I suggest these for a start:
1. If you make a claim that "god did it," you must back up that claim with actual evidence supporting your claim, beginning with evidence that god exists.
2. You must show that you correctly understand what the TOE actually is before you can argue that it's wrong.
3. You cannot copy and paste information from AIG or DI as support for anything you claim about evolution or abiogenesis.
4. If you have a blog, you must allow commenting with moderation policies at least as liberal as PZ's--no deleting comments solely because they disagree with your blog posts...[ahem}Pete Rooke.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 2:25 AM
Clinteas, yes she did. Nobody tell the Rookie.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 2:32 AM
Fess
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 2:38 AM
Ken, the Bonzo Dog Band? Where the great Neil Innes began his career. Sadly, he is best known from writing the songs for the Pre-Fab Four, The Rutles. (You see, they came before the Fab Four.) I dare anyone to say that Ouch! is not a catchy song.
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 2:39 AM
Second the culling of sexopathic Simon.
bastion,
if we apply all those rules,we wont have much fun around here anymore,you know.
I firmly believe this blog can be a great educational,eye-opening tool for people that are already uncomfortable with religion,but for reasons of peer pressure etc are not ready to drop that one god left on their list,and it will help them witnessing how the clever,knowledgeable,educated people here go through and expose the ridiculous arguments of the creationists,or in for instance,Barb's case,witness what happens to a mind brainwashed and destroyed by religion.In Barb's case,it destroys her humanity and morality as well.
If I was a doubter,witnessing this sort of moral bancruptcy would help me make the jump.
Thats why I said keep her.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 2:40 AM
The Good Doctor.
Right Place, Wrong Time
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 2:43 AM
Bacon
My apologies if The Royal Bacon Society has been mentioned already. I did a Pharyngula search and didn't find it.
But I do feel like an enabler for mentioning it myself.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 2:46 AM
At the risk of someone not knowing shit
Pointer Sisters You Can Can written by a new Orleans god, Allan Toussaint.
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 2:50 AM
Nice one Rev,thanks !
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 2:59 AM
At #767 clinteas wrote:
Oh, I don't want them applied as "rules" for that must be met in order to be allowed to post here.
PZ asked for "challenges" for the creationists, and I thought that those would be quite...um...challenging...for many our typical creationist posters.
I think it might be rather interesting, and perhaps even amusing, to see if any of them can meet the challenges.
Let me be clear. I think that some of the most interesting. educational,and entertaining threads are those in which the Pharyngulates respond with real knowledge, intelligence, and wit to the creationists' claims, so I wouldn't want the creationists to be blocked from posting entirely.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 3:06 AM
Chimpy, we can have an entertaining night of Allen Toussaint covers.
Posted by: Conor H. | March 15, 2009 3:19 AM
Kwok comes off as the most pretentious poster I've ever seen here. Name dropping, degree dropping, everything. I really don't care who he knows and I don't care about his alma maters or if Ken Miller is at Brown. He's at a blog, I think, where higher education is not an exceptional endeavor.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 15, 2009 3:22 AM
I second Kseniya's thanks to Janine. I've got a lot of Googling/YouTubing to do.
And Kseniya, Thanks for the nomination You caught me.
That's pretty much all the story behind the nom de plume. Funny play on rendering the phonetics of one of my favorite apes.
Rev. BDC, that Maceo Parker clip is great.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 15, 2009 3:44 AM
Mahavishnu Orchestra "Meeting of The Spirits."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQG7XpCiSVA
Billy Cobham "Spectrum"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgSluYtBCEE
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 3:51 AM
I will sign off with some Dusty Springfield, The Windmills Of Your Mind.
Get yourself a copy of Dusty In Memphis. It will improve the quality of your life.
Posted by: Bone Oboe | March 15, 2009 4:07 AM
I'll sign off by saying thanks again for all the new music to check out.
For just a moment "The Windmills of Your Mind" reminded me of "The Girl From Ipanema"...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9U6URQSF6U
They're not even close, but this late the mind makes untenable connections.
Bonus Nachos (sic) everyone.
Posted by: SCOOTER | March 15, 2009 4:08 AM
I just got home from work, now I can relax and have a beer, and everybody is leaving??!!
What am I supposed to do, gop kill zombies with the kids on XBOX.
NO fair
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 4:11 AM
At #217, Janine, Insulting Sinner wrote:
You are right, Janine.
While Mad Men is well-done, I find the show quite a depressing reminder of why so I was so unhappy through much of my growing up years.
The series begins in the late 50s and has moved into the early 60s. (Kennedy has just been elected on the show.)
Women are sex objects relegated to serving--and servicing--men at home and at work. Women in positions of authority are few and generally disrespected or held in contempt.
The assumption is that women don't really need to work, and that they only should work until marriage--which is viewed as the ultimate goal for women. The reason women go to college is so they can attract a higher quality man who will be a better provider.
Blacks roles on the show are the elevator operators, cleaning people, and maids. There's a bi-racial couple, but the mounting anti-segregation protests are causing tension.
Antisemitism, racism, and sexism are not only tolerated, but acceptable.
Gays must stay in the closet.
Conformity is "good"; being, thinking, acting differently is to be discouraged, if not outright eradicated. The only time creativity is lauded is when it involves an great idea for a new ad campaign to manipulate the public into buying the clients' products.
Everyone drinks all the time, and working (at least until you are so drunk you can't function at work at all, pee yourself in the office, and--worst of all--almost lose a client)or driving while drunk is OK. Everyone smokes constantly.
No one, male or female seems particularly happy. Heh, looks like pretty much everyone was depressed back then.
But it is a hoot seeing the decor, appliances, clothing, products, ad campaigns from my childhood. I just wish I'd quit getting those depressing flashbacks.
It's nice knowing that so much of what I find so depressing will soon begin to change if the show keeps moving through the 60s.
And Pete sees the moral lesson to be learned from the series as: problems will occur if men and women are allowed work together. [sigh]
Posted by: scooter | March 15, 2009 4:20 AM
bastion @ 780:
I've watched snippets of that program but couldn't get interested.
It seemed like it was trying to have a allure, sort of 'good old days' patriarchal soft porn for contemporary loser males.
A lot of people would consider me a contemporary loser male, but fuck them. I ain't got no credit so even when I'm broke I'm 20 to 50 grand up on all those 'winners' out there.
Posted by: David Waldock | March 15, 2009 4:30 AM
@ 'Tis Himself - Your Toad in the Hole recipe would be improved by preheating fat in the pan before adding the batter mix.
Honestly, americans trying to make yorkshire pudding mix. I don't think you have the right genes to do it successfully ;-)
Posted by: BMS | March 15, 2009 4:33 AM
Beware the Ides of March.
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 5:14 AM
At #626 Pete Rooke wrote:
The realization that a single life on earth is all we get can be a bit disquieting. Contemplating our ceasing to be--forever--isn't exactly pleasant.
That's one of the reasons that people made up religions--to help quell their fear of ceasing to exist. The myth of eternal life can provide comfort to those who can't face the reality that there is no life-after-death.
Yeah, that's not the end-of-the-story we may "desire," but it's time to grow up, Pete, and give up the fairy tales.
So, live the best life you can right now, and enjoy it while you can. 'Cause it's the only life you'll ever have.
"Salvation" isn't necessary. There's nothing we need to be saved from, or for. So, we certainly don't need some savior to save us. Anyone who told you otherwise is just "making stuff up."
Posted by: Nominal Egg | March 15, 2009 5:20 AM
"i'd suggest not staying up late on the internet by yourself. it's not good for your mental stability."
Uh-oh.
Posted by: Marylynne | March 15, 2009 5:28 AM
I saw mention of Chocolate Jesus, but not Butter (or Touchdown) Jesus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg
This is up the expressway from me. Every time I pass it, I feel compelled to holler, "I'm melllllllllting!"
So an atheist is working in his garden and digs up a lamp. He starts cleaning it up, and as he's rubbing it a genie appears. The genie says, "Thank you for freeing me. You get three wishes." The atheist says, "I wish I could believe in you!" The genie snaps his fingers, and the atheist believes in genies. Then he says, "I wish all atheists could believe in you." He snaps his fingers again, and suddenly atheists all over the world start believing in genies.
Then the atheist says, "I wish I had a billion dollars!" The genie snaps his fingers, but nothing happens. "Wait a minute!" said the atheist. "What happened?"
The genie said, "Just because you believe in me, that doesn't mean I exist."
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 5:32 AM
@ 786,
Wow,nice !!
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 5:46 AM
At #781, scooter wrote:
Except that the male characters seem to be living empty, shallow, generally joyless lives.
They may have prestigious jobs. But they also have unhappy marriages, unhappy affairs, live miserably alone after they are divorced by their wives, get fired from their jobs for drinking too much, suffer from alcoholism, have heart-attacks, are stuck in societal roles they don't like, have to hide or deny so much about themselves....
Perhaps those points are too subtle for "contemporary loser males"? Or maybe contemporary loser males long for unfulfilled, unhappy lives with unhappy women?
It's certainly not an upbeat show. Hardly "Father Knows Best", "Leave It to Beaver" or other shows of the era that portrayed life as it never really was.
Posted by: Phrogge | March 15, 2009 6:13 AM
WAY late to the party, but I brought dessert.
Peach Bread Pudding
3 eggs
3/4 c. sugar
1-1/2 c. milk
1 Tbsp vanilla
6 thick slices challah
2 Tbs butter
2-3 ripe peaches, peeled, pitted, sliced or 1 pkg. frozen mango, defrosted; or other fruit
2 Tbsp lemon juice
Brown bread in butter until golden, tear into small pieces and place in pyrex dish. Sprinkle 1/4 cup sugar and lemon juice on fruit, add to bread.
Preheat oven to 350º
in a medium bowl, beat the eggs and 1/2 cup of sugar until combined, gradually add the milk; continue beating, and add vanilla. Pour egg mixture over bread and fruit.
Bake for 45 minutes. Serve warm or at room temperature; serves 6-8
Optional: add raisins (golden) and cinnamon
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 6:36 AM
The music in this video is okay, not spectacular, just okay. But the way the music's made is spectacular.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5503582578132361295
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 6:43 AM
RBDC way up there.
"If anyone feels like getting me a present (and you know you want to), I highly suggest the bacon of the month club or anything from here.
thanks
I'll keep an eye out for the post man."
Posted by: Laura | March 15, 2009 6:46 AM
I'm with Janine on this one. Anyone who tells me that I'm gay through choice or because I was molested is incredibly ignorant.
Posted by: JeffreyD | March 15, 2009 7:14 AM
Currently in the UK, so catching up after most of the US faithful have retired. Morning to the UK and European contingent. Howdy to those further east as well.
Nice to see so many Tom Waits fans. I often feel like I am totally alone in liking him. Even my wife just tolerates him in the car on long trips, her only flaw. Tom's introduction to Nighthawks at the Diner, about self dating, is still one of the funniest bits I have ever heard. The song Take Me Home You Silly Boy, sung by Crystal Gale when she and Tom did the soundtrack for the movie One From the Heart, can still bring tears to my eyes. Especially joyful/painful is this version by Tom on the piano http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=XewO1DB96To
Tom Waits' music probably literally helped save my life, along with my kids and friends. After my last wife's suicide, I listened to his songs of pain and loss, and those of life and joy, and realized that (a) I was not alone in being in pain and, (b) there is still love out there to find. I did find it, even though she is not a Tom Waits fan, possibly because she associates his music with my pain. Two songs that helped were Hold On http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P5jV4lHHR0 and San Diego Serenade. Also, Kentucky Avenue.
OK, this was more personal than I wanted it to be, but what the hell. (smile)
Still voting for Barb to be dropped into the memory hole.
Petey, you just may have promise. Will give you the same advice I tried to give Walton: Get out of yourself a bit. Fall in love, get your heart broken, laugh, dance to Queen's Fat Bottomed Girl with one, dance goofy in front of a mirror when just out of the shower and laugh at yourself, read a Terry Pratchett novel in a coffee shop and actually laugh out loud and let people stare, enjoy what is here and now, take big bites of life, eat more bacon, volunteer at a soup kitchen and reflect on the people you meet and how they got there, see a therapist, do something illegal that hurts no one, taste and feel and hurt and sing. Yeah, this sounds kinda touchy-feely and new agey, not me at all as I look at it, but it does work for me. I spent life being serious and in a serious job and with serious pain and the only way that works for me is to develop that sense of whimsy and keep it live and happy. Oh, you do not have to learn to curse, but get over it from other people in its proper place, this blog being one of them.
OK, shared too much, back to lurking and learning. Ciao y'all
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 7:18 AM
"I know a fair number of English recipes including how to make vegetables inedible by boiling them for forever."
That reminds me, must give mother a call.
Posted by: DJ | March 15, 2009 7:19 AM
I have a coworker who insists on discussing science and religion with me. Ever since he found out that I am an ecology major and that I firmly accept the theory of evolution by natural selection as scientifically sound, he has been trying to dissuade me.
How do I tell someone that an insistence in supernatural causation is not scientific? He keeps telling me that the beginnings of the universe and life on earth are not testable therefore not scientific... As to the first, well, I'm not a physics major so I'm not sure. For the latter it seems I remember an experiment done where early earth conditions were simulated and RNA was formed on a clay substrate in the absence of light... hence the beginnings of life.
He insists that because every question is not answered yet by evolution it must be false and that I must accept a supernatural causation. I'm frankly a little pissed off because I'm not good at arguing with fundamentalists and I feel like he is being disingenuous in his presentation. Unfortunately I'm not quick of wit enough to put a stop to it.
Any suggestions?
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 7:22 AM
Damn HTML tags!
RBDC way up there.
"If anyone feels like getting me a present (and you know you want to), I highly suggest the bacon of the month club or anything from here.
thanks
I'll keep an eye out for the post man."
Why is that, just in case the bacon doesn't arrive!
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 7:35 AM
Im with you on that one mate.Very literally.
Posted by: JeffreyD | March 15, 2009 7:38 AM
Clinteas, hiya brother. How is life out your way today?
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 7:40 AM
Excuse me, but I wondered in errr....some time ago, and I don't seem to be able to find the way out - can anyone help?
Wonderful thread, wit, 'larnin, music, bacon, one troll, who ended by swapping recipes, then asking a few "meaning of life without God" questions - hint it's the same meaning of life as it is with god, just infinitely more beautiful - and plenty of votes to kick out Barb.
So...here's something I can add, not done here before - possibly the world's greatest short story. Disagree? Then find one better. It's "Saki's" The Lumber Room:
http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/397/
Now, the exit - over there past those skeletons, you say...
Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook | March 15, 2009 7:49 AM
After all that music, I am now utterly in love with Janine.
And I made meatloaf. With bacon, but I'm afraid only a little bit. The fridge was seriously lacking in bacon, but I did also use pork sausage and leftover veal. It was very yummy. (BTW, I use free-range pork, eggs and veal.)
My recipe - http://thecanberracook.blogspot.com/2009/03/meat-loaf-with-meat-and-meat.html
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 7:50 AM
DJ #795
If you want answers to specific questions, talkorigins.org is a good place to find them. If you need help developing your debating skills, consider joining the school debate team.
Posted by: DJ | March 15, 2009 7:54 AM
Tis Himself #801
Thanks for the link. I'll look into it. As to the debate team, I'm getting too old for extracurricular activities! (30 isn't really too old, but I'm focussing on other aspects of my education)
I appreciate the assistance.
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 7:54 AM
Hey JeffreyD,
thanks mate,I think you are faring better than me these days,and good on you !
There is something with Waits that can drag you away from that pit of doom somehow,by first slowly lowering you into it,teasing you,then offering you salvation....not in the christian sense mind you lol
And as to how is life out here,it is Waits time a lot these days,and Stones time...
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 7:54 AM
Yes. read this blog for a month or so, to see how the pros take down creationists and theists generally (basically, it's ignorance - everything this fellow is telling you is wrong, find out how here - or read a book. I'm on Don Prothero's "Evolution - What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters", which has the advantage of being a nice hardback, full of great photos (including men with tails - really). Feel free to take a fairly aggressive, well assertive tone - he's just wrong. Ask for his evidence, look at it, and dismiss it with your research. It won't be long before you're up to speed on all the evidence, then, plan your time, and give it to him with all we've got. Look on this as a positive learning experience for you... Let us know how you get on, any question you post here will be answered most fully.....Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 7:58 AM
Pete Rook
"I would also advocate instituting a filtering system for profane/vile language."
Nonsense, just because I don't use swear words, why should my contributions be filtered out?
Posted by: photon | March 15, 2009 7:59 AM
Mmmmm - everything is better with bacon, even Pharyngula!
http://bacolicio.us/http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula
(^_^)
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 8:00 AM
AnthonyK,our favourite arms dealer here,cracks me up.....
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 8:02 AM
Not today, man. I'm out.Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 8:06 AM
Seriously, has anyone seen my keys? Last time I saw them, I was here.....
Posted by: DJ | March 15, 2009 8:07 AM
Thanks Anthony K.
Typo in post #802 focussing = focusing... me no good at early morning spelling and grammar.
I hate to get passionate about a debate that I quite frankly believe to be over. There just is no reason whatsoever to subscribe to a supernatural view of existence, at least from a scientific perspective. I can see that the willfully ignorant "believe" evolution to be at odds with faith, but I don't give a damn about beliefs. I'm concerned with reality.
I will take the advice of the previous posters and hopefully this issue at work will be resolved. I don't forsee having this debate with others. If one chooses to believe irrelivant mythology over scientific discovery, then in my opinion they have taken themselves out of the realm of scientific credibility.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 8:10 AM
I've just finished breakfast. Fried eggs (over easy), ginger marmalade on rye toast, and English Breakfast tea. I'm trying to lose 20 pounds/10 kg, so bacon is off the diet.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 8:13 AM
It isn't! But in finding out why, like me, you'll learn me so much about everything... Why I still remember the day, about 8 years, when I found out that there were some people who didn't believe in evolution...ah, happy days - not as happy as now though!Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 8:17 AM
If we've told you once we've told you a million times, if you get a key rack and put it by the door, then hang your keys on it when you come in, then you'd always know where they are.
Honestly, kids these days. You can buy them books, you can send them to school, but you can't learn 'em nothing.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 8:22 AM
Oh, I know where they are, it's me I can't find.Posted by: Elwood Herring | March 15, 2009 8:35 AM
Just catching up with this thread after a good night's sleep, and I come across this (Monado #701):
That deserves repeating.
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 8:40 AM
I'm just about a third of the way through this blog, and I just want to say, Janine, I love you.
Not quite as much as my wife.
But close.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 8:51 AM
Derr Pharygula,
I would like to feel really smug, judgemental, and ignorant, and I feel I have absorbed all that atheism can teach me. Can anyone suggest a suitable religion?
It has to have pork, and no child sacrifice.
Any advice?
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 15, 2009 9:05 AM
Write an immortal scientific paper, if you like -- easy, even though it takes a bit of time. I've done three in two years and am working on the next... :-| (And another which will be a short review of the current state of a field and therefore most likely won't be immortal.)
Then you need another t at the end, though.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by: Elwood | March 15, 2009 9:06 AM
JeffreyD #793, you pretty much described my life there.
I second all of that. Pete, heed this advice! Life is for living and enjoying, not for feeling guilt and shame and expecting to be punished after death over random events in your life that you had no control over. I know, I've been through all this myself. Shit happens, you deal with it as best you can and move on. I used to feel bad about all sorts of things in my life until I realised that I was the only person in the world who actually remembered those things; I was hanging on to my shame and living in the past. People forget, move on and live their lives. If you feel bad about something you did or something that happened to you, don't cling to it. Find something positive that you can do to balance it, and you will instantly feel better. No shame required.
Remember what Richard Dawkins said: "We are all going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born." You were born, you are alive NOW. You are here in this amazing universe with the ability to see and experience and understand it all. And to share your experiences with the rest of us. Go for it!
Posted by: fatherdaddy | March 15, 2009 9:21 AM
Well, AnthonyK, I love to blow my own horn, so, why not join my religion. The 666th Day Adventists. We get pretty smug. We love to cast judgement. I've been accused of being ignorant, although, that's not a tenant.
Posted by: SteveL | March 15, 2009 9:22 AM
NYT--The culture warriors get laid off
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 15, 2009 9:22 AM
Uh...
This thread, you mean? Or the one derailed by Barb, maybe?
Posted by: Vombatus | March 15, 2009 9:23 AM
I have only been reading Pharyngula for a handful of months now, but I don't think I've ever seen a post with so many comments...817 at my post. Was it the bacon, the cannibalism or the opportunity to vote off a religious troll that fueled the responses? Impressive to me, regardless of the reason.
Posted by: Kitty'sBitch
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March 15, 2009 9:27 AM
Good morning kids!!
It may be a little early for this but...
Tim Minchin and Geraldine Quinn drunk in a bar doing an amazing version of HalleluJah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFCDhLhuB8
Posted by: Elwood | March 15, 2009 9:28 AM
Vombatus, take a look at these:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/its_a_goddamned_cracker.php
And I'm sure older Pharyngulites can point you to even longer (and more controversial) threads!
Posted by: Josh | March 15, 2009 9:41 AM
+10
Posted by: Sabazinus | March 15, 2009 9:43 AM
Wow, the comments here have reached such lengths I believe the thread is evolving into some kind of bacon flavored lower life form. Soon it shall reach a new stage of growth and spawn exciting advanced flavors of bacon such as "hickory smoked" and "maple flavored."
Hail Bacon!
Forget the Elder Gods, bacon is where it's at.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 9:44 AM
Impressive! What religion was that again?Posted by: fatherdaddy | March 15, 2009 9:51 AM
Full title: The First Aaronian Inter-nocongragational Unreformed UFO Church of Dobbs of The Living Smoke, of The Immaculate Sale, The Perfect Hamburger, and The Last Laugh. Branch Aaronian or The 666th Day Adventists for short. Bacon is welcomed, child sacrifice is generally frowned upon. Ovum are usually substituted for the bacon rituals.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 9:54 AM
I was an egg once; though, oddly, I didn't get fried until I was all grown up...
Posted by: fatherdaddy | March 15, 2009 9:54 AM
Typing too fast. Insert "Inter-noncongregasensationalist".
Posted by: fatherdaddy | March 15, 2009 9:56 AM
Getting fried was a tenant in the early church. Now the bacon and ovum do the frying.
Posted by: SEF | March 15, 2009 9:56 AM
Perhaps CosmicTeapot is a bit like that chap who thought a blog was a single thread and kept starting a new blog somewhere whenever he deemed his single thread on the old one to be too full (which might be code for having had too much of his nonsense exposed and refuted on it).Posted by: jeffreyD | March 15, 2009 9:57 AM
clinteas, hang in there buddy, let Tom and the Stones do their work. If you need someone to talk to, I think you can find my email and if not, will give it to you. Added another youtube of Kentucky Avenue for for you below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOYcRXzs1Y
Elwood, thanks for the nice comment. Was afraid I got a little bit too personal, but what the hell. Took until my late 50's, but finally learning to relax a bit and let the whimsy flow. Truly enjoying teaching my granddaughters how to make arm farts and enjoy sugar. Problem with the little monsters is they ratted me out to their parents in short order. However, they were already 50 miles into the trip home by then. (smile)
Oh, and have to say, I really, really, really like Janine.
Ciao y'all
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 10:00 AM
Cosmic Teapot - I'm not sure you exist. Is there any convincing evidence you can provide?
Assertion does not count.
Posted by: shonny | March 15, 2009 10:04 AM
B-b-b-but a fuckwit by any other name is still a fuckwit, which rookie, your mother should have told you, the silly bitch!
Posted by: SEF | March 15, 2009 10:04 AM
Does that mean it will be featuring in the Vienna Vegetable Orchestra sometime?Telegraph
Grauniad
Posted by: KI | March 15, 2009 10:11 AM
Holey Crapola what have I missed in the last 18 hours. Recipes! Bacon! A ton of cool music from all kinds of genres! Pete Rooke the uptight prude (didn't they kick all the puritans out of England?)! Barb slagging! Scooter stories (one Texan I'd like to hang with)!
OK so my Monthly Hootenanny is starting a new gig at the Whiskey Junction today and I need some requests. The group is typical West Bank Hipsters, long on Dylan, Dead, John Prine, and Beatles/Stones. I've taught them some VU and Stooges, and we've pulled off some intricate jazzy bits ("A Love Supreme", "Take Five") as well as "A Day In the Life" and "Terrapin Station" so there's some talent involved.
Ideas, please.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 10:18 AM
Vombatus, 1656 posts to date
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/how_to_respond_to_requests_to.php
Posted by: windy | March 15, 2009 10:25 AM
I vote Alan Clarke to be the first one off the island.
David M:
Agreed. Although the creepy comments about Abbie are a bit too much. How old is John Kwok anyway?
PS. He wasn't kidding about the Facebook page, he has many illustrious friends, including one PZ Myers. Heh.
Posted by: gaypaganunitarianagnostic | March 15, 2009 10:29 AM
Eight hundred twenty + comments? Sweet spirits of niter! Don't have time, retired, but still don't have time. Taking a chance that someone else might have mentioned this already but... 'To Serve Man, a cookbook.' The title from the Damon Knight story, which was later a Twilight zone episode. Can't lay hands on my copy at the moment.
Posted by: clinteas | March 15, 2009 10:31 AM
If there is anyone that should be dumped its the Kwokster,fucking creep.I have seen him at work on ERV for a long time,and he is no good.Totally fucked in the head,that one.
Posted by: WTFinterrobang
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March 15, 2009 10:43 AM
So I'm usually lurking, but have a question for the more regular attendees of this fine Phar-um:
What/where is pete rooke's blog? I'm trying to figure out where he fits in my own wackjob/nutter spectrum.
And by the way: I don't like bacon...I prefer bacon grease because we all know that's where the flavor is! But bacon is a very close second.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 10:48 AM
KI,
If you're doing Prine, then start off with "Dear Abby," then do "Please Don't Bury Me." Once everyone is thinking you're just being silly, hit them with "Hello In There."
Posted by: Sherry | March 15, 2009 11:03 AM
My need to rant: My daughter competed in the US Grand Prix of snowboarding this weekend and she called me frustrated with several competitors who wear "JESUS" stickers and talk about things like "Jesus was with me today".
She says there are quite a few Jews on the tour, and several atheists (including her) who have been told by their sponsors they MUST not put stickers on their boards and helmet reflecting their religion (in the case of Jews) or evolve fish or the like in the case of atheists.
She says the kids who aren't "Jesus freaks" are quite put off by those who wear stickers since they know the Jesus types think everyone else is bound for hell.
I'd like to tell my kid to go ahead and put the FSM and IPU and evolve fist etc on her gear, but we are a middle class family and rely on the gear and clothing she gets from sponsors so she can compete.
I'd like to add that my daughter has a chromosome condition called Turner Syndrome and will be a student of higher education until she is 26yo so that she will have health insurance. After that, I have to hope she falls in love with a guy from Finland or a guy from New Zealand or the like so that she can live a full life.
I'm so glad the repugs are imploding!!!
Posted by: John Kwok | March 15, 2009 11:10 AM
@ clinteas -
Apparently my female friends over at Facebook don't agree with your risible assessment of yours truly. But I digress. How can you stoop so low in criticizing me after agree with my comments regarding how one should contact OK state representative Todd Thomsen in another, quite recent, Pharyngula thread:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/todd_thomsen_would_like_to_hea.php#comments
I am sorry for pissing Abbie off, especially when she is as attractive as pop tart Katy Perry.
John
P. S. What a bummer. Couldn't get a last minute ticket to the concert I was hoping to go to last night, so missed hearing Beethoven's 9th symphony (again, but this time with a terrific German orchestra, the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra).
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 11:22 AM
Poor fluffy. Do you console yourself with a bag of Cheetos® and a session of GTA: San Andreas?
Posted by: IST | March 15, 2009 11:23 AM
AnthonyK> Anthrosophophy? Not quite a religion, but definitely contains elements of smug metaphysical bullshit.... another faculty member at my school prescribes to that, and likes to just smile knowingly whenever we discuss ,well, anything. I honestly had to look it up, so I could have a good laugh.
Posted by: aginghippie | March 15, 2009 11:25 AM
Chewy bacon. And not the kind you would get from a Wookie.
Although...
Posted by: JeffreyD | March 15, 2009 11:25 AM
Re #846, a self evident vote to be banned.
Ciao y'all
Posted by: Observer | March 15, 2009 11:27 AM
As a lurker, my vote doesn't count, but I like most of the creationists. I learn the most when the practicing scientists among the commenters respond to them and offer explanations as to why they're wrong. I think they make great contributions to the overall entertainment value of this blog.
The person I would vote off is John Kwock. That dude is just plain creepy. Plus, I'm not that bright, and even I can see that the commenters here are using the word "creationist" in a broader sense than he uses it. He doesn't have to agree with that usage, but the fact that he won't acknowlege the difference or address its significance shows a tedious cluelessness.
Posted by: IST | March 15, 2009 11:27 AM
@KI> Throw in some Ryan Adams with a nice Dead style jam in it's midst? I've seen Phil do it, and it was fantastic.
Posted by: John Kwok | March 15, 2009 11:29 AM
@ Tis Himself -
I consoled myself thinking about the great talk I'm going to this afternoon on paleobiology:
http://www.nyps.org
I also bumped into a couple of friends and acquaintances and had a good time talking to them. One of them recently came back from a vacation in the People's Republic of China which I found quite interesting.
Posted by: Stanton | March 15, 2009 11:32 AM
No one likes the gravlax?
Posted by: John Kwok | March 15, 2009 11:33 AM
@ windy,
All kidding aside, there is much I do admire about both PZ Myers and Abbie Smith (And I still feel this way, even when I felt compelled to criticize her about her understanding of some aspects of evolutionary biology.). I just wished they wouldn't make it so easy for lunatic creationists who have argued that to "believe in evolution", then you must reject a belief in GOD and become an ardent Atheist and Liberal.
Anyway, off to lunch and a great talk now.
Best,
John
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 11:42 AM
Gravlax is an acquired taste that I've never acquired. It's not disgusting like lukefisk but it's not as good as sushi.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 11:43 AM
Somewhere up in the vicinity of #580, David M. hypercorrected:
Nope. Cannabaceae is correct; has priority (Endl, 1837). Gotta watch that SIWOTI syndrome, dude, sometimes it bites back.
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 11:44 AM
I'm going to come back to this thread when my wife is out at work on Tuesday, just to listen to the music.
But now I'm going to cook a full English breakfast for her for dinner, even though it is nearly tea-time here!
But a quick recipe before I go, porridge. No, no, don't pull faces now, this one is from Jamie Oliver.
Put milk, salt and oats in a pan and slowly bring to the boil.
Let it simmer for 3 minutes.
Meanwhile, crush up a banana, and mix in some nutmeg.
Add to the porridge, aong with a healthy shot of whiskey.
Simmer for 2 more minutes.
Serve, adding honey to taste.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 11:52 AM
Oh fuck. Wank much John?
And no, I don't care who you're with when you do it.
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 15, 2009 11:57 AM
Correct Dave at 822, a third way through this thread.
Trying to do 3 jobs, and read this, all with minimal coffee.
Whoops, got to go, the bacon is burning.
Posted by: Lee Picton | March 15, 2009 12:14 PM
I love gravlax, but the recipe I use is from Jacques Pepin and involves curing for several days in molasses and salt. The end result is divine - the salmon slices are nearly translucent, and I don't even bother with assorted garnishes. Sigh. When I made it once for a company occasion, there were no takers. What an unadventurous bunch of ingrates.Posted by: Silva | March 15, 2009 12:15 PM
Aw man, did I ever come to the wrong place! I don't like bacon. :(
Anyway, thanks, guys, for not playing "pwn the n00b" on me when I tried to talk to Barb as if she were a sensible person. All the Christians I know are at least a little bit sensible... and I'm not used to this whole internet troll thing.
Posted by: castletonsnob | March 15, 2009 12:31 PM
#843:
I seem to remember it's called "Religious Thinking"--but you won't find it. It was open at one time, but Pete complained that he was being abused by atheists like me and shut it down to all but his chosen few. All I did was ask if the term "religious thinking" was an oxymoron. A little cheeky, I admit, but I'd hardly characterize it as abuse. I told Pete he needed to be a little less sensitive if he wanted to be taken seriously, but a short time later his blog went "invitation only."
He's an English Catholic with many of the attitudes and beliefs one might expect. Not the least of which is hypocrisy in posting on other blogs but not allowing the same on his.
And he swoons at foul language and insults.
Fucking git.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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March 15, 2009 12:36 PM
and from the "sometimes that Obama makes me feel all fuzzy inside"-series:
Guantanamo inmates no longer "enemy combatants"
By Randall Mikkelsen
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration stopped calling Guantanamo inmates "enemy combatants" on Friday and incorporated international law as its basis for holding the prisoners while it works to close the facility. [...]
though it's mildly pathetic to be so excited by normalcy
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 12:38 PM
Not swoon enough for me though.Posted by: WTFinterrobang
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March 15, 2009 12:40 PM
Thanks for filling me in castletonsnob. Seems "poot reek" ranks right up there with barb.
Oh, and Pete I curse in your general direction: Fucking idiot!
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 12:43 PM
Ah, a golden rule dream. He can't post here unless somebody specifically invites him to. And the invite is never given...Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 12:45 PM
KI @ 838: Would that I was not located way the hell over here on the East Coast; I'd drag my accordion down and sit in. (No accordion jokes, please...when properly wielded it's an acoustic B-3.)
Posted by: Tark | March 15, 2009 12:50 PM
Re Pete the Rookie ....
Wouldn't it be sweeter to leave him on but to totally and abjectly ignore him? Think the team could put their outrage, enmity and snark aside and just refuse to believe in his existence?
We can sure do it for (ah-hem) higher powers, why not nano-joules as well?
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: KI | March 15, 2009 12:51 PM
Dang, Sven, accordion would be very cool, especially with the pedal steel guy. 'Tis, we played "Dear Abby" last month, but "Hello In There" is a definite possibility today, I'll put it in if the vibe is right. IST, unfortunately, I don't know how to play any Ryan Adams (yet). Finally, gravlax is the snits, lots of dill when I make it.
Off to get some new strings, see ya all later.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 12:57 PM
Sven DeMilo is an accordionist? I'll start gathering firewood, someone get the tar, someone else get some feathers....
Q. If you throw a lawyer and an accordion off the top of the Empire State Building, which one will hit the ground first?
A. Who cares?
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 12:57 PM
At #868, Sven DiMilo wrote:
Here's something I only divulge to my closest friends--so keep this kinda quiet--but I'm a pretty good accordionist if I say so myself, thanks to the seven years of lessons my parents insisted that I take.
Although my accordion skills made me a big hit at the annual Polish Day picnic, it didn't exactly enhance my non-nerdy image. [sigh]
I haven't played for many years though, and more recently have focused on the piano, but I've been looking for a reasonably priced used accordion so I can start playing again.
I've finally reached a point in my life when I can joyfully embrace the kind of music traditionally associated with accordions. And as for music not traditionally associated with accordions--even more fun!
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 1:03 PM
At #871, "Tis Himself wrote:
As an accordion-playing attorney, I'm really feeling the love here 'Tis.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 1:06 PM
Well, I'm not exactly an "accordionist" since I don't do a whole lot with those left-hand buttons (yet). I'm more of a generalist musician who owns an accordion and plays it in situations when trumpet is inappropriate, there are better guitar and bass players involved, and the key is too funky for the pennywhistle.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 1:06 PM
Ack! The bastion of sass, who fakes being a normal, intelligent, reasonable person so well, is also an accordionist. At this rate we'll be buying tar by the barrel and feathers by the bale.
Q. What's the difference between an accordion and an onion?
A. Nobody cries when they cut up an accordion.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 1:09 PM
Now we'll need twice as much tar and twice as many feathers.
Q. What's difference between an accordion and a trampoline?
A. You take your shoes off when you jump on a trampoline.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 1:11 PM
Q. Why are they using lawyers rather than rats in laboratory experiments nowadays?
A. Becaue there are some things that rats just won't do.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 1:14 PM
We can't do that. It's teh rlues.Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 1:17 PM
Those who continue to disparage the accordion ('Tis) have never heard of Richard Galliano.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 1:18 PM
How to Play the Accordion
The buttons on the left side are chord buttons. The "C" button has a dimple or nipple so you can find it without looking. (This is a safety feature. Before it was invented, thousands of accordionists suffered painful and sometimes disabeling injuries - much to the delight of the general public). Never use more than three buttons. "Professional" accordionists appear to be using lots of buttons but they are acutally just desperately trying to find the damned "C". "Professional" means they have learned to smile while they do it.
Play the black and white keys. The high notes are at the bottom and the low notes are at the top. (That arrangement isn't supposed to make any sense. Accept it.) Note: If you find the high notes at the top and the low notes at the bottom, you have either put the accordion on upside down or you have tried to repair it yourself. If the former, turn the accordion over. If the latter, pack your accordion up with thousands of dollars and mail it far away for a long, long time.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 1:21 PM
The inventor of the Harvey Wallbanger?
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 15, 2009 1:29 PM
Pfft.
For my first exhibit, I present:
Andre Thierry & Zydeco Magic: The Piano Accordion.
Posted by: IST
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March 15, 2009 1:33 PM
KI> May I suggest adding "Cold Roses" to your repetoire? It'd be a nice fit... meanwhile, check out the 10K Lakes performance by Phil and Friends, if you haven't already... man I love archive.org sometimes...
Posted by: Monado in Toronto | March 15, 2009 1:35 PM
Janine, I really like Steeleye Span; they do mostly traditional songs with a rock accompaniment.
If you like Maddy Prior, look for October Project as well: two albums, October Project and Falling Farther In. The female voice belongs to Mary Fahl.
Posted by: IST
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March 15, 2009 1:36 PM
and you have a pedal steel guy... amazing, and yet again, I live on the wrong damn coast.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 1:42 PM
I played an accorion once. Wouldn't reccommend it. Fucker didn't return a single shot.
It was pathetic to see it so grief-stricken afterwards, though. The poor thing was all creased up.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 1:44 PM
bacon
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 2:01 PM
Okay, accordionphiles, here's a song with an accordion in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_wJYXGuafM&feature=channel_page
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 2:04 PM
bacony weirdness
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 2:08 PM
Creep
Posted by: Leigh Williams | March 15, 2009 3:02 PM
Barb has to go. Yes, she's a most excellent example of a Christard, and indeed a cautionary tale for us all, but her head is made of impenetrable stupidanium and stuffed with weapons-grade hate. Janine is Molly-worthy for her takedown rant, but dammit, she shouldn't have to endure that kind of abuse HERE of all places.
John Kwok has to go, too. That last reference to Abbie was way too creepy for me. It's yet another targeted shitstorm, and borderline stalking to boot.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 3:07 PM
Hats of Meat
Posted by: AVSN | March 15, 2009 3:09 PM
891 plus comments, talk about opening the floodgates!
Too much bacon, and too much Kwok.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 3:14 PM
BLASPHEMER
Posted by: JeffreyD | March 15, 2009 3:16 PM
Recap:
Having just caught up again while eating, Barb appears to be in the lead for banning with John Kwok not far behind and he came on strong near the finish.
Enough people enjoy playing with Petie, Facilis and Simon to keep them on for a while and GIL is ignored or considered a Poe by many.
Ciao y'all
Posted by: gaypaganunitarianagnostic | March 15, 2009 3:20 PM
"to Serve Man, a cookbook for people" by Karl Wurf. Somebody mentioned cannibalism, and someone else said something about exchanging recipes. Perhaps they were separate topics?
Posted by: Diane | March 15, 2009 3:31 PM
I agree we kick off christ whore, Barb. Then can we turn her into bacon?
Posted by: SC, OM | March 15, 2009 3:41 PM
I'm having trouble keeping the trolls straight. Who's the copy-&-paster? That bugs the hell out of me. He should go if he starts that up again.
On the other hand, whoever inspired the long posts by David Marjanović about punctuated equilibrium and some other scientific questions should stay.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 15, 2009 3:41 PM
Leigh and everybody else who have said similar words, thank you. The kindness implied in the words, well, let's just say that I am touched.
But as it stands, as much as I want Barb booted from this site, the situation remains the same. Many of us have dealt with Barb like people in our real lives. It is much easier to deal with them in the abstract on the screen. And they will always come to sites like this. And they will always leave poison pellets. When you get down to it, which is more inhumane and hateful; a homosexual is the same level of evil as a rapist or that atheists cannot process ethics.
So even if Barb is booted, because of the nature of this blog, there will be more homophobic screeds. They are to be found on any site, gay or straight, where the owners call for equal right for all. Also, I pushed Barb into giving me an answer. I already knew the answer but I wanted her to say it.
As a final note, hearing what the likes of Barb has to say is no where near as agonizing as living with people who act out those words.
Because I do not want to sound like I am be critical, I just want to say thank you for the kind words. As long as you act upon them in real life, that is all I can hope for and want.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 3:44 PM
Nat in particular but Alan does his fair share. Though Alan hilariously tries to make his seem more legit by cherry picking from otherwise legit sources and ignoring other bits in the same article, and sometimes the same paragraph or sentence, that completely shoot down his assertions.
It is quite funny.
Posted by: Janine, Ignorant Slut | March 15, 2009 3:45 PM
RogerS and Alan Clarke engage in a lot of cut and pasting. But they are also the ones that are inspiring David Marjanović, Josh and Owlmirror for their long, insightful and informative posts.
Posted by: AVSN | March 15, 2009 4:01 PM
Rev. BigDumbChimp @894: seek help, bacon is treyf anyways. :-)
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 4:06 PM
One more reason to think that religion is stupid.
Posted by: SC, OM | March 15, 2009 4:09 PM
Damn. OK, then I'll nominate Erasmus for being a willfully dense asshole supreme on the "Islam hates women" thread. (No, I'm not really serious, but I hope he takes his idiocy and goes soon.)
Posted by: Britomart | March 15, 2009 4:18 PM
Can we vote on other annoyances ?
Check this fellow out:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/News/fitting+that+trip+Hell+occurs+Transpo/1391286/story.html
And I bet you thought most Canadians are sensible!
Posted by: Sherry | March 15, 2009 4:22 PM
Sheryl Crow plays accordion! I saw her at a concert at Red Rocks in Colorado awhile back and she accompanied herself on Led Zep's "D'yer Mak'er". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjbGDLf-_8
Posted by: SC, OM | March 15, 2009 4:25 PM
Nat! That's who I was thinking of! Yeah, he's annoying as all get out.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 4:29 PM
Barb reminds me of Gandhi's famous remark: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." She proclaims her faith in Jesus and uses it to denounce people she hates as sinners. Janine and other gays were literally compared to pedophiles and rapists. Plus Barb has a cardboard caricature of evolution that she denounces. A truly hateful, stupid person, Barb deserves banning.
While John Kwok is quite annoying with his pompous pretentiousness, he's just killfile fodder. I haven't killfiled him yet because he's such an easy target for mocking. However, I suspect PZ will ban Kwok because Kwok doesn't seem to realize whose blog this is.
Alan Clarke and RogerS are the cause for instruction in biology, paleontology and geology. Once David Marjanović, Josh and Owlmirror stop teaching them and us, then Alan and Roger can be discarded. Fortunately, since the three teachers have incurable cases of SIWOTI, Alan and Roger will probably vanish before class is over.
Facilis is just silly. He's killfile material and I've appropriately dealt with him.
Pete Rooke is like Walton. They're both young, naive, unsure of the world, and with minds full of nonsense. Hopefully they're salvageable. Walton annoys me more than Rooke does but that's because of my anti-libertarian prejudices.
Just my 2¢.
Posted by: Rey Fox | March 15, 2009 4:29 PM
Dammit Sheryl, it's not "DIE-er maker", it's "'JER maker". As in "My woife went off to the West Indies on 'oliday." "Jermaicer?" "No, she went of 'er own accord."
Posted by: Patricia, OM | March 15, 2009 4:30 PM
Of all the trolls, Barb is the one that makes me want to plunge a knitting needle through my screen.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 15, 2009 4:36 PM
And the botanists accept that? Keep in mind we're talking about people who still insist on Latin diagnoses.
This, Mr Kwok, is nothing short of an ad hominem argument. He agrees with one idea of yours and disagrees with another -- if you're too stupid to understand that, what are you doing on a ScienceBlog exactly?
Well, the one who most excessively copies & pastes from AIG without attribution and then believes he's made an argument is Nat Weeks, but he has so far only posted on the monster thread on Gotelli's response to Klinghoffer, and you recently complained your computer was too old to download and display it, so you can't have seen him...
You could be talking of Alan Clarke, who is most famous for refusing to either read or acknowledge the very existence of this article on radiometric dating from a Christian perspective for eight hundred comments on the Titanoboa thread and another, I think, eight hundred so far on the Science of Watchmen thread.
:-)
Well, I fear that might have been Barb. I think Barb was it who brought up punk eek as the evillusionist excuse for why there are no transitional fossils and thus utter proof of creation, upon which I tried to set her straight a few days ago.
Posted by: Stanton | March 15, 2009 4:47 PM
Response*shakes fist*
Posted by: Rey Fox | March 15, 2009 4:52 PM
Not even John's mom says he's cool now.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 4:55 PM
I see one big difference between Pete and Walton. Walton knows this is not his blog, and while he bends things occasionally, he still recognizes he is a "guest". Pete seems to not have grasped he is a "guest", and tries to tell PZ how run his blog, by constantly harping on language being filtered, trying to play cop, trying to have PZ ban people he doesn't like, and pretending that religion should have a special place where it can't be criticized. Still, if he would agree to avoid such behavior, I see no reason to ban him.Barb, thumbs down. Let the door close behind her. As a second choice, the cut/paste expert Nat the creobot.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 5:08 PM
Kwak'd sez:
All kidding aside, there is much I do admire about both PZ Myers and Abbie Smith (And I still feel this way, even when I felt compelled to criticize her about her understanding of some aspects of evolutionary biology.).
LOL John thinks he knows more about evolutionary biology than Abbie??
Damn! I had no idea Kwak'd was THAT delusional.
Hey, John, in between your flights of fancy where you pretend you are a scientist at various conventions and meetings, why don't you set up a science blog so you can show all of us just how much more about evolutionary biology you know than the rest of us, eh?
chickenshit.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 15, 2009 5:11 PM
I don't think that's how she means it. I think she's trying to tell us that absolutely everyone is a sinner (Christian dogma, after all) and therefore urgently needs a savior (also Christian dogma, after all) to avoid going to hell as absolutely everyone deserves (again Christian dogma). In other words, she's trying to prove to us that we need to start praying right now... and that we need to stop disproving her arguments from ignorance right now.
The points being: 1) a sin is a sin is a sin, see above; 2) Barb had no idea that homosexuality is, for example, not limited to humans, and tries hard to avoid facing the fact that one's sexual orientation is something one is born with.
A lot more than I used to think, yes.
I wrote:
Looks like I misunderstood.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 5:14 PM
A lot more yeah, but i still think Walton is capable of learning.
Rooke, not so sure.
Posted by: The Branch Manager | March 15, 2009 5:24 PM
Help! They're trying to shut us up again. Here is a poll being run about freedom of speech and blasphemy, based on a television programme about a supposedly blasphemous article in a South African student publication. Please go vote!
http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/default.asp
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 5:26 PM
Rooke became somewhat more human on this thread. Sure, he's still prissy about c*rs*ng and sw**r*ng and he's going to be a goddist for some time, but there is hope for the boy.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 5:27 PM
could be.
I still have a hard time accepting he is 22
Posted by: maureen | March 15, 2009 5:45 PM
Barb repeatedly commits two sins (sic) - she is offensive and she is incoherent. She certainly needs to be banned for long enough to go away and take a course in writing English. OK, I'm a pedant - I like it that way.
Petey and Walton both show occasional signs of intelligence and could probably be saved though it's going to be a long, hard job. Perhaps we could set them test questions.
Walton: Have you ever had to make a decision which involved meeting the different needs of several people and, if yes, was libertarianism any use to you then?
Petey: Did you go to university to learn or to have your half-baked late adolescent notions - don't worry, kid, we've all had them - set in stone? Do you realise that at Kings you are following in the footsteps of both Rosalind Franklin and Radclyffe Hall and that so far you are doing no credit to either?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 5:55 PM
I always had a picture of our original Pete as a middle aged/older guy. I've had the feeling the latest incarnation is a different person, who might be 22. Meds perhaps?Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook | March 15, 2009 5:58 PM
Stanton: I love Gravlax. It's good stuff. I do a cured salmon that is related.
Can we get rid of both Kwok and Barb? Kwok for his creepiness about Abby; Barb for that mean homophobia.
Posted by: SC, OM | March 15, 2009 5:59 PM
What happened was that I clicked on it several times (during which I read those posts, and possibly even commented myself), but that led me on almost every occasion to have to shut down the computer, so I couldn't keep going there. I'm hoping to get a new laptop soon.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 6:03 PM
Gravlax, where'd i miss gravlax?
OH there.
Shit, I love gravlax and make my own every once in a while. Back when i was a chefy type guy we'd always have some made in the kitchen.
I do some hot smoking of salmon too. I need to alter the smoker to do some cold smoking though. That's the good shit.
Posted by: beanjavert | March 15, 2009 6:15 PM
I would like to lend my support, however little it may count, for the banning of Barb. Janine's excellent argument has convinced me.
Posted by: Elwood Herring, atrocious singer | March 15, 2009 6:31 PM
It's got to be Barb, really. No contest. At least Pete and Walton try to engage (especially Walton), and let's face it, things would be a lot duller around here without them. Barb on the other hand is beyond all reason, doesn't engage with anyone and simply posts walls of screaming hellfire. Barb is the wrench in the gears of Pharyngula; the sand in the vaseline of social discourse; the Banquo at the banquet...
Ok, I think I've made my point.
El
woodPosted by: DominEditrix | March 15, 2009 6:33 PM
I agree with Cath @923: Let's vote both Barb & Kwok off the island. The former is not even an amusing godbot and the latter is a smarmy misogynist. Neither of them adds anything to the discourse.
I would go cook some more bacon right now, but I have a cat sleeping on the edge of my keyboard and if I leave, she'll probably post something herself on the lines of "My hooman iz not feed me bacons! Bad hooman!" She's already figured out that things change on the screen when she pats the mouse, making me regret deeply that the shelter spayed her before they let us have her.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 6:34 PM
The turd in the punch bowl.
too much?
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 6:41 PM
yepThis guy sez:
Posted by: PontusReed | March 15, 2009 6:50 PM
Rate it down for being inaccurate and for comment censoring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x_-TQivCx8
Posted by: Tassie Devil | March 15, 2009 7:17 PM
Long time lurker, but my vote:
1. Barb, for sheer uncomprehending nastiness
2. John Kwok, who thinks seeing the BRO play Beethoven is something to boast about. When he's seen Rattle conduct the Berlin in the 5th and 9th, then he can come back.
Pete I just feel sad for. He keeps coming back because, though he probably can't admit it even to himself, he envies the posters here. He envies your freedom, your easy interaction, your fire, your knowledge. He's trying to work out how to have all that without giving up his faith. Sadly for him, it's not going to work.
Pete - I was a student in London in the early 90s. It was great. I snaffled every student ticket deal - theatre, opera, orchestral, ballet, museum openings. I went to the markets on Saturday mornings and the South Bank on Sunday afternoons (the classical buskers are great and the second-hand bookstalls even better). Go to the National Gallery and find the painting 'Christ before the High Priest'. It's still my favourite picture in the whole building. Have you been to Old Street flower market? From there you should wander into the East End, where there is a thriving Bangladeshi community. Buy some food, listen to the language, see the women in their bright saris...go with the flow. Stop judging everything - just exist and experience for a while. The world does not exist to corrupt you, nor does it need correction. It simply is.
For those making snap judgements about accordion music, may I present Sharon Shannon?
/delurk
Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 15, 2009 7:51 PM
Since I'm in a didactic mood from wrassling with plant names, I'll didactify here and maybe we'll even hit a thousand before PZ wakes up all the way and shovels the walk.
GiL is a troll. Pete Rooke is a Poe. I'm basing the latter on people's reactions to him, taking him seriously.
I'll tellya, though: In my sixteen-count 'em-sixteen years in Catholic schools, I've heard metaphors and similes that were just about as strained as his are, and icky little giveaway phrases like "the knee roll" that gave me all the training an old nurse needs in keeping a straight face when wanting to puke.
More than once I barely resisted walking out on those weird little exercises in rhetorical sadism that religion/theology instructors maybe still indulge in to drive home the sort of point that the infamous Brazilian cardinal (oops; different bird) and more-infamous pope were making when they excommunicated that poor kid's doctors and mother.
That's also the sort of point that Barb keeps making, or trying to, that legalistic (despite when she claims) dead cold rule that masquerades as principle. I won't call it inhuman, because like torture and nerve-gas it's a human artifact, just not one of our better ones. "Step on a crack, break your mother's back" pumped up into a life-or-death puppetshow with consequences to real people. Ugh. (How's that for a strained metaphor?)
Off the Island? Anyone who doesn't bother with paragraph breaks, especially if they're cut-n-pasting from some sanctified bullshit. ESPECIALLY especially if they don't acknowledge their source. ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY especially if it's stuff we've all heard before. It's up to them to figure out what that is, and that's not so hard. Start by not assuming that people not in your cult haven't read its book, if it's all over the place and in hotel rooms.
(By the way, I've met Gideons too. There were some handing out teeny white-leatherette-covered demiBibles—New Testament and Psalms only—outside the doors when I took my LVN-licensure exam.)
Oh, and banning Barb, sure. She's simultaneously disgusting and boring. Janine, if you have to put up with shit like that in person... Wow; how do you keep from projectile vomiting?
Posted by: Facile Princeps
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March 15, 2009 7:55 PM
Open thread...
So what books have you guys been reading lately?
I've been reading "The Irrational Atheist" by Vox Day. I have already read most of the God Delusion and I thoroughly enjoyed the fisking he gave Dawkins in the book.It was brutal.
I'm also reading "Lord of The Rings".
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 7:58 PM
Wow; how do you keep from projectile vomiting?
why would one want to keep from projectile vomiting onto persons the likes of Barb?
seems like a reasonable defense mechanism to me.
;)
"All you homos are going to Hell!"
response:
*huuuuuuurrrrrrrrlllllllll*
*sploosh*
...and another religiotard gets coated with the "Truth"(tm)
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 7:59 PM
Facilis, you appear to like fiction. Anything by Vox Day falls into that category.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 8:03 PM
*psst*
Imbecillis:
your hero likes to eat babies:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/02/and_they_call_us_atheists_amor.php
Posted by: Facile Princeps
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March 15, 2009 8:13 PM
I learnt a lot from Vox Day's book (it is free online ). Including the fact that most pharyngulites have a higher than average score on the Asperger's test.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 8:17 PM
I learnt a lot from Vox Day's book (it is free online ).
hey! I learned a lot from reading the Harry Potter books, too. Can't say of what value a new take on witch/wizard fiction will be, though.
whaddya know! we have something in common after all.
we've both read fiction!
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 8:18 PM
Who's got the link to that picture of VD with his Mysticke Sword of Holy Redemption?
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 8:20 PM
most pharyngulites have a higher than average score on the Asperger's test.
that's directly related to the fact that most Pharyngulites enjoy ripping morons like you, who have a much lower than average score on the Turing test.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 15, 2009 8:23 PM
Facilis #934 wrote:
I recently read Carl Zimmer's Soul Made Flesh: The Discovery of the Brain -- and How it Changed the World, and followed it with one of Sinclair Lewis' lesser novels, Mantrap (about a fishing trip gone very wrong.)
Huh? How would he (or anyone else) have tested for this this? You don't have to fill out any health forms to read Pharyngula.
Unless, by "pharyngulites" you mean those embryos in the stage of development which comes after the blastula, and that makes even less sense.
Posted by: amhovgaard | March 15, 2009 8:30 PM
#856: Lutefisk is just an excuse for eating lots of bacon. And drinking lots of beer & akevitt.
Posted by: AJ Milne | March 15, 2009 8:35 PM
(/Files under 'also overpriced'.)
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 8:39 PM
...for those of you who haven't gotten the word that Rush Limbaugh is now King of the Rethuglican party, you can now send your latent apologies directly to him:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/268299350?z00m=19750716
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 15, 2009 8:40 PM
I know it is hard for you Facilis, but put a little effort into not sounding like a complete idiot.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 8:47 PM
How to determine stupid trolls.
1) They think Expelled is true.
2) They think Vox Dey has something cogent to say.
Add in folks.
Posted by: Elwood, excruciating singer | March 15, 2009 8:53 PM
Tassie Devil #932
WIN!
Although Rattle & the CBSO playing anything by Mahler was the absolute top of the tree.
Posted by: Josh | March 15, 2009 8:59 PM
They will absolutely never answer a direct question unless it's with another question, a Bible verse, or a quasi-related personal anecdote.
Posted by: ryogam | March 15, 2009 9:00 PM
#497
They think "The Bell Curve" is sound science.
Posted by: DominEditrix | March 15, 2009 9:03 PM
I've been reading "The Irrational Atheist" by Vox Day...
I'm also reading "Lord of The Rings".
So you're reading a work of complete fantasy and a long tome on which a longer movie was based?
Posted by: ryogam | March 15, 2009 9:04 PM
They will ignore any Bible verse pointed out to them by other posters that contradicts their preconceived notions as to what the Bible actually says.
Posted by: ryogam | March 15, 2009 9:08 PM
They believe the Bible is the source for all morality (though shall not kill), except when it isn't (Though shall not suffer a witch to live, or a wizard, and will kill your child it it strikes you or curses you.)
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 9:13 PM
Posted by: Sastra
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March 15, 2009 9:14 PM
How to determine stupid trolls.
They will post absolutely huge cut 'n paste articles with few or no paragraph breaks, and then respond to questions with more cut 'n paste articles. Bonus points if the article is completely off topic.
Even more bonus points if it appears to be transcribed from pre-18th century apologetics.
Posted by: windy | March 15, 2009 9:17 PM
The Scar by China Miéville, Farthing by Jo Walton and All the Pretty Horses by Cormac McCarthy.
PS: Accordion!!!
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 9:18 PM
I don't think VD is banned here. He occasionally graces us with a snide, self-aggrandizing comment.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 9:22 PM
Ooops sorry, blockquotes, and, apperently "Vox Day" isn't banned here. Is that the single possible error which makes my argument all fall down, as with evolution, or is it the single error whcih makes all the rest perfect? I am hardly the one to judge.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 9:30 PM
VD (very appropriate initials) isn't banned, but his toady VMartin (under many pseudonyms) is. The toady usually tries to get PZ to debate VD.
Posted by: Facile Princeps
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March 15, 2009 9:30 PM
Read the book. He asked a bunch of pharyngula volunterrs But the book is great. For example he takes on Sam Harris' red state-blue state argument where he argued that Christian conservatism is bad because red states and cities in red states have higher crime. Day points out that Harris dishonestly ignores the data from the county level and if we examine it at that level ,we find a higher correlation between blue counties and crime. So even by Harris failed measure his agument does not stack up. Day shows Dawkins' statement that there is not an atheist who would bulldoze a Cathedral or temple is very wrong (41,000 churches destroyed in the Former Soviet Union, more Buddhist temples destroyed in China and North Korea), he cites psychological studies to counter Dawkins' claim that being indoctrinated into Catholicism is worse than child abuse and shows the fractal wrongness (literally) with Dawkin's Boeing 747 argument. It was one of the most epic books ever.Posted by: Kseniya | March 15, 2009 9:33 PM
David: Да! Pie-throwing! Please see my admission of acute perversity elsewhere in this thread. :-)
The fact? LMAO
Yes, yes, for a heavily-customized definition of "fact".
True, Vox is not banned, has done nothing to get himself banned and likely never will, unless he does something like commit an egregious act of slander against Skatje - but we leave those misdeeds to the likes of Sal Cordova.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 9:37 PM
Facilis, Facilis. You believe the lies of Expelled. You believe the lies of VD. You believe the the lie that you presented your presupposition argument correctly. Nothing but lies. This is what you need to do to stop lying. Acknowledge your god doesn't exist and your bible is a work of fiction. Then you can find reason and logic. Until then, revel in your lies.
Posted by: Kseniya | March 15, 2009 9:42 PM
"Errs" is right. What bullshit. Whatever he did, it wasn't scientific, and means little.
The red/blue county crime thing is likely bullshit, too. Harris may have been wrong, and if so, Vox would have been correct in pointing that out - but the key correlation would be between urban counties and not-urban counties.
And what was being compared, by the way? Raw totals, or per-capita rates?
Need.... more... info... but have to sign off for now.
Posted by: AnthonyK
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March 15, 2009 9:50 PM
But I do think the fact that he thinks that there's anyghing wrong with having Aspergers Syndrome is offensive.
I do know that that like everyone who finds something to offend them here, the best tactic is to ignore it and move on, which I will do.
It is offensive though, especially coming from a complete derr-brain like facilis.
Posted by: Sherry | March 15, 2009 9:53 PM
Recently finished Recently finished CONTAGIOUS by Scott Sigler. I'm in the middle of THE ROAD by Cormac McCarthy.
After that I will read THE CONDITION by Jennifer McHaigh.
I'm a voracious reader and a terrible housekeeper.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 9:59 PM
Let's keep our trolls 'n' toadies straight: VMartin was a toady of John A. Davison. I forget who used to come over here to blow VD's horn.
Posted by: Sastra
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March 15, 2009 10:00 PM
Facilis #960:
I don't think I have to tell you that asking for volunteers to answer a survey isn't a good way to do a scientific study of an entire group. I'm also not sure what the point would be.
Many arguments against atheism are really not arguments for the existence of God. They are arguments which don't depend on whether God exists or not. Instead, the focus is on the rather dubious idea that it is better to believe in God than not, because it will somehow be helpful from a personal or cultural standpoint.
Tell me something: if God doesn't really exist, would you still want to believe in God anyway?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 10:07 PM
Sven, you are right. *Headdesk*. That should require about fifty "hail ramens" in penance. Better get started.Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 15, 2009 10:21 PM
Ichthyic in #935: [projectile vomiting] seems like a reasonable defense mechanism to me.
Yabbut when used frequently it's hell on one's esophagus and tooth enamel.
Posted by: photon | March 15, 2009 10:27 PM
Facilis @938
And your point is?
Regardless of the extremely dubious accuracy of that claim, even if every regular poster here was an Aspie, that wouldn't invalidate a single post they made.
The fact that I have Aspergers is no more relevant to my opinions than my gender, the colour of my skin, or my sexual orientation, and your implication that it is is offensive.
Count this as another vote for Facilis. (Although I've always wondered about the "voting them off the island" meme - wouldn't it be more satisfying to vote them all onto an island, and then just leave them there?)
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 15, 2009 10:28 PM
So what books have you guys been reading lately?
hmm, I've gone off on a bit of a tangent of late...
I've been mostly reading this.
that Walter was a very naughty boy.
OTOH, it's a fascinating, raw glimpse into victorian society.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | March 15, 2009 10:30 PM
VD isn't banned; he's turned up from time to time in the last year or so and blathered on in his usual ignorant way and bragged about how many strawmen he's slain with his pseudo-intellectual 'sword of truth'. I got a great deal of pleasure out of reading his predictions of a McCain victory and subsequent attempts to rationalise why he got it so wrong.
His character is just a more aggressive and slightly less stupid version of the one Ray Comfort performs. I hope your copy was downloaded for free, facilis; I'd hate to know that anyone was funding that utter scumbag.
As for books; now we're speaking my language. I've just finished The World According to Garp by John Irving and am now into A Confederacy of Dunces by the late John Kennedy Toole. Read them both before, but haven't had time to hit the library of late so decided to raid the book-boxes* in my spare room.
*I don't have bookshelves - yet. One day.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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March 15, 2009 10:43 PM
The last book I finish was The Ever Running Man by Marcia Muller (mystery buff). I'm also plowing through a large article on the formation of the Michigan basin to refresh my memory on geology (have to try to stay up with Josh), and occasionally dip into a book of verse by our very own Cuttlefish.
Posted by: Jeeves | March 15, 2009 10:47 PM
What does everyone think of historiometry as a scientific tool? Has anyone here taken a class in it or gone to school for it?
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 15, 2009 10:57 PM
I've just finished Paul Krugman's The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008. Krugman claims that the present financial crisis is functionally similar to the Great Depression. He does not believe that it will be as severe. We now have the financial tools and institutions, and the hindsight, to make for a softer landing. Nevertheless, this crisis has no end in sight yet. The one big thing that everyone seems to know now is that one does not increase taxes and implement budget cuts during a crisis, as Herbert Hoover did.
Depression economics goes against the grain of conventional economic wisdom, and given the current crisis it is coming back into fashion, even among those who preached deregulation and fiscal restraint a decade ago. This theory should be applied sparingly, only in extreme cases. The present crisis probably qualifies. It should not be applied to every minor recession that comes along. The danger of overuse of depression economics is that it can cause a toxic brew of inflation, stagnation and corruption.
Posted by: fly44d | March 15, 2009 11:15 PM
Anyone notice Ray Comfort's book reviews? When you click for all reviews you get the top ranked favorable and unfavorable reviews... the top favorable is from "Gen. JC Christian, patriot"... he fooled me like many others!
http://www.amazon.com/Lead-Atheist-Evidence-Cant-Think/product-reviews/1935071068/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 11:36 PM
Seems a shame to let the thread languish so near to the nice round 1000-comment count. I'd like to propose a topic for conversation:
bacon!
Posted by: WTFinterrobang
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March 15, 2009 11:38 PM
mmmmmmmmm......I like bacon.
especially with a side of bacon grease for extra flavor!
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 11:46 PM
Yep.
It's not just for breakfast anymore!
Posted by: Anonymous | March 15, 2009 11:46 PM
Man, no wonder the economy and the airlines are in a funk.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 15, 2009 11:52 PM
I do not think that the economy and airlines are in a funk because of bacon!
Posted by: Discombobulated | March 15, 2009 11:53 PM
Mmmm, Bacon Explosion.
Posted by: JackC
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March 15, 2009 11:55 PM
CSue - somewhere up there, I don't know....
It's Jack, not John, though anything but late for bacon works, and I am not sure how I even managed to see your post in all this mess. I go out for a day of buying stuff, and the thread more than triples in my absence.
I just couldn't resist the Kwok/Kwak relationship - along with your comment about a sister. It was just too good. So is the beer, BTW.
It's tomorrow almost. I am outta here. If the thread doubles again by the time I wake up, it will just take me longer to read it.
JC
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 16, 2009 12:07 AM
I do not think 1000 comments is too much to ask.
A little help, people? Is the Oz shift online yet?
Posted by: Sherry
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March 16, 2009 12:15 AM
My son sent me a website recently that sell bacon jerkey.
And one with bacon lollipops too.
He's a college student and I think he hopes I'll send him some.
Posted by: Tark | March 16, 2009 12:15 AM
We could ...
Tax Religion.
Tark
I love round numbers....square ones too...even the odd rhombus.
Just doing my part to help the comment meter (since all the irony meter are bustifcated).
Posted by: Sherry
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March 16, 2009 12:21 AM
http://www.jerky.com/product/BCF001.html
http://www.lollyphile.com/maple-bacon.php
Posted by: Tark | March 16, 2009 12:22 AM
And looking at #985 has invoked involuntary drool reflex ...
Sweat Fuck, I want to name all you wonderous, glorious peoples in my will and then go and commit baconicide....
\end dramatic interlude
Tax Religion. Dab gentilely at sides of mouth.
Tark
Posted by: WTFinterrobang
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March 16, 2009 12:28 AM
I've gotten all Pavlovian about the maple-bacon lollypops!
I'm going to order some and use them as spoons for my bacon grease.
Posted by: Tark | March 16, 2009 12:31 AM
Putting (a)side the bacon ...just briefly...
Way back in this amazing thread the mention of Dawkin's
Unweaving the Rainbow occurred and the other thread about citizen science groups makes me want to really push for everyone to read that book. I thought it was great, but I've had other sensible, intelligent folks come up and tell me that, despite my recommendation, they had a hard time getting through it. Anyone else find this? Am I so ignorant of the extreme of my dorkiness that my perception is skewed about this?
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 16, 2009 12:32 AM
I repeat: bacon.
I repeat: bacon.
Posted by: Tassie Devil | March 16, 2009 12:35 AM
Tasmanian shift reporting for duty, sir!
Posted by: Tark | March 16, 2009 12:35 AM
And at least I am here meter-pushing with a Hrab Fan...
Thanks for playing WTF Interrobang.
Desiree, where ever you are...TALK SCIENCE TO ME!
Love & Kisses (and bacon)
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: Tassie Devil | March 16, 2009 12:38 AM
OK, to push closer to 1000:
Anyone here got a recommendation for a good book for the lay reader on quantum theory?
Posted by: Tark | March 16, 2009 12:43 AM
Leon Lederer's book The God Particle is pretty good but mostly just a great humorous romp through particle-accelerator history. A good place for context if not theory.
Lay speaking, anayway, (insert your own Groucho voice and joke here)
Tax Religion. W00t!
Tark
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 16, 2009 12:45 AM
Scienceblogger Chad Orzel has a popular book on quantum mechanics coming out at the end of this year, called How to teach your dog about physics or something like that.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 16, 2009 12:47 AM
my work here is done
Posted by: Discombobulated | March 16, 2009 12:49 AM
Tassie Devil@997:
Not a book, but as a complement to whatever someone else may recommend, Leonard Susskind did a lecture series on it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1E3YJMKfA
It's for the public, but still covers the math, and is accessible if you remember your algebra and calc. He takes the time to explain more advanced math involved as it comes up.
Posted by: WTFinterrobang
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March 16, 2009 12:49 AM
I don't have a good suggestion for a good quantum theory book, but I do have a GOOD suggestion:
I just went to my promiseland (refrigerator) and found a slice of heaven (bacon) and laying next to it was the second most glorious substance known in the universe (CHEESE). Guess who's a happy man‽
Posted by: Ciaphas | March 16, 2009 12:50 AM
Facilis @937
Read that book very carefully. Hopefully through Tolkien's grace you will come to understand the sacred truths; Gollum died for our sins and that one day Frodo will return from across the sea to redeem all mankind.
Posted by: Sherry
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March 16, 2009 12:50 AM
Just ordered Weaving the Rainbow.
I'm hot for George Hrab.
Posted by: Tark | March 16, 2009 12:51 AM
We have a winner! Claxon sounds! Bacon hits the deep fryer!
Thank you all.
Tax Religion.
Tark
Posted by: Discombobulated | March 16, 2009 12:51 AM
D'oh! Dealer busts.
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 16, 2009 1:03 AM
The Emotion Machine Marvin Minsky
I Am a Strange Loop Douglas Hofstadter
Nation Terry Pratchett
Coraline: A Visual Companion Stephen Jones
Watching the Watchmen Dave Gibbons [Kwok]who signed it "for Ken, without whom I could never have learned how to draw my own ass"[/Kwok]
A Concise Introduction to Logic Patrick Hurley (recommended, with sandpaper, to facilis, as a suppository)
Posted by: Peter McKellar | March 16, 2009 1:15 AM
Janine,
The Marriane Faithfull "best of"...? I was being a smart-arse, apologies. The compilation I have is "Blazing Away" and a favourite.
I agree though - Broken English was her best.
Posted by: Epikt | March 16, 2009 1:19 AM
Almost finished with Derek Bailey's Improvisation: Its Nature and Practice in Music. Just started Sync or Swarm: Improvising Music in a Complex Age by David Borgo. After that, it's Krugman's book.
Posted by: WTFinterrobang
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March 16, 2009 1:39 AM
Two more reasons to avoid hanging with the godders:
1) http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/443070
2) http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/443068
No atheists were harmed in the course of these events.
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 16, 2009 1:47 AM
Just about to start reading Nation by Terry Pratchett.
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 16, 2009 1:59 AM
To bring the bacon, accordion, and recipe segments of this thread together in what I see as a most agreeable way, I give you:
Toad-In-the-Hole Playing the Accordion.
OK. Admittedly, the recipe doesn't call for a lot of bacon, but why feel constrained by that?
Posted by: mayhempix
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March 16, 2009 2:15 AM
I doubt if anyone's missed me but I must say I've missed immersing myself in the pool of rational thinking here. I'm floating around in the Northern Hemisphere occasionally lurking as time permits. I also miss the sexy puns and take no prisoners style of SC who seems absent of late.
Please oh please vote Facilis off the island. One can only stand so much closeted VD worship.
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 16, 2009 2:17 AM
bastion of sass, let me know if Nation reads for you like Tiffany Aching meets Small Gods, as read by Jared Diamond and Richard Dawkins (which of course it could never be, since only Sir Pterry could pull of such a feat).
Posted by: mayhempix
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March 16, 2009 2:31 AM
In Argentina bacon is cut into fat little chunks of half fat, half meat.
In other words... it's not bacon. The first thing I had after landing NYC was a cheddar cheese and bacon omelet... they also don't have cheddar cheese and when you find a place that claims they have it, it is American processed cheese... from Brazil.
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 2:32 AM
Reading at present:
Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver, volume I of the Baroque Cycle.
Also reading my casebook for my Remedies course.
=====
Seems I'm the only vote for banning Scott from Oregon.
However, as an LGBT-type person, I'll go for booting the odious Barb.
Posted by: Peter McKellar | March 16, 2009 2:37 AM
Conspiracy theory (my own):
Since the Australian Government removed the nicotine and tar ratings on cigarettes they have been, without consent, slowly reducing the levels of nicotine in order to sanctimoniously wean us off tobacco (ie using us as experimental guinea pigs "for our own good")
My evidence is purely anecdotal, but I would be interested in observations of any other aussie smokers on the blog.
I have just noticed that:
1. I can punch back two cigarettes and still not get a hit. The morning cigarette is dull and listless (maybe its just me without enough caffeine).
2. I can't remember the last time i got hiccoughs from smoking (ie nicotine overdose)
3. I don't get the nicotine "burn" at the back of the throat any more (I always thought that was the smoke heat until I chewed nicotine gum)
4. My auto-immune diseases are flaring up - and smoking is known to depress the immune system (I only got these things when I gave up smoking for 7 years)
Any comments or observations?
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 2:38 AM
mayhempix sed:
In Argentina bacon is cut into fat little chunks of half fat, half meat.
In other words... it's not bacon.
Neither is that stuff served in the UK under the misplaced moniker of bacon.
Ham that is, not bacon. Tastes just fine. But really - quite the let-down when one reads that tomorrow morning's breakfast includes "bacon" but it's just . . . ham.
Posted by: Zarquon | March 16, 2009 2:39 AM
Posted by: mayhempix
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March 16, 2009 2:57 AM
@BMS
At one point Argentina (more specifically, the now province of Buenos Aires since Argentina didn't yet exist as a country) was controlled by the UK. That must be where the Porteno idea of bacon originated.
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 3:07 AM
"Idea of bacon" indeed! That explains it.
Limbo-wife and I were sorely disappointed in Ft. William, Scotland, to find our morning "bacon" was big fat slices of ham. :(
Posted by: Susan | March 16, 2009 3:25 AM
Sven @ 882
Or Brave Combo. Which is really a shame.
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 3:36 AM
So say we all.
Posted by: John Morales | March 16, 2009 3:41 AM
So, I see Facilis likes TIA. No surprise there.
Deacon Duncan (with the patience of a saint) critiqued it, from beginning to end.
Much amusement ensued.
Posted by: clinteas | March 16, 2009 5:15 AM
Reporting for duty !!
Last books I read? John Gribbin's "Deep Simplicity" and Scott Bakker's "Prince of Nothing" trilogy !
Posted by: SEF | March 16, 2009 5:16 AM
@ Peter McKellar #1017:
Get yourself some nicotine patches if you think the lack of it is worse for your health than the presence of it. That's safer than smoking more and more cigarettes.Posted by: SEF | March 16, 2009 5:24 AM
@ BMS, re bacon/ham:
You must have been going to some very strange places in the UK then (eg swanky or faux-foreign restaurants?), because in sensible supermarkets all over the country bacon is bacon and ham is ham.
However, what the French sell under the name "English bread" is more like cake in texture; and pancakes, scones and muffins are messed up all over the world.
Posted by: Kel | March 16, 2009 5:26 AM
I think I've been playing too much Starcraft, I now hear the marine's voice in my head and the Starcraft background music.Posted by: Stephen Wells | March 16, 2009 5:36 AM
@1017: stop smoking. Use nicotine gum or patches if you have to. The lack of impact you describe is habituation; you are addicted.
Posted by: Josh | March 16, 2009 6:28 AM
Books--huh. I'm re-reading Climbing Mount Improbable by Dawkins and I just finished House to House by David Bellavia. And this weekend I read a section of Army Field Manual 7-93: LRSD Operations (which is a page turner, I can assure you).
Posted by: Malcolm | March 16, 2009 6:45 AM
I have a request for those who post here regularly: For the sake of all things noodly, when quoting the batshit-fucking-insane, include the number of the comment.
Its not that hard, just look in the left-hand corner of the comment.
Don't make us search through the whole thread to get our fix of insane godbot rant.
This is especially true when replying to loons in different time zones. I'm looking at you David M,OM!
Posted by: Malcolm | March 16, 2009 6:55 AM
I forgot to mention;
BACON
Bacon and possibly, if the is enough room, more BACON!
Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook | March 16, 2009 7:18 AM
@SEF:
what you may not realise, is that American bacon is *only* the streaky part of the rasher. The eye is sold separately as "Canadian bacon"; they don't recognise that as being real bacon, too. I can't recall if US bacon usually has the rind; I vaguely recall not.
Posted by: CosmicTeapot | March 16, 2009 8:09 AM
SEF @835
Just what are you trying to incinerate young man!!!
Posted by: clinteas | March 16, 2009 8:13 AM
A pile of old tyres??
Posted by: bastion of sass | March 16, 2009 8:14 AM
At #1014, Ken Cope wrote:
Please explain what you mean by "as read by Jared Diamond and Richard Dawkins." I have no idea what you might mean.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 8:23 AM
Typically no, though you can get it depending on your butcher. Yes american bacon is typically the fatty party of the belly.
The curing and smoking is what really makes it bacon though. The cut that is used to make bacon is actually a pretty fantastic cut to braise (I did this weekend as noted above). I'll have the recipe up with pics on my other blog soon.
Posted by: Leigh Williams | March 16, 2009 8:48 AM
SEF, we have scones here in Texas. Central Market and Whole Foods sell 'em. They just seem like a heavy biscuit to me; and, since we're two peoples divided by a common language, I remind you that in the US a biscuit is not a flat sweet thing (that would be a cookie), but a bread-like thing that can assume various shapes.
And by the way, how is "scone" pronounced by those of you who grew up eating them?
Posted by: SEF | March 16, 2009 9:03 AM
In two primary different ways - by groups who each insist the other one is being posh (an accusation which is often an insult in the UK):sc-on
sc-own
As far as I'm concerned, the UK definition of bacon is mostly about the source animal and the specific treatment applied to the cut (ie curing and smoking as RBDC also believes to be the case) rather than the specific location or amount of fat on it. Beyond that basic requirement, "streaky bacon" would be the messed up fat and meat sort, while "lean bacon" would be the cleaner meat cuts (often with some of the edge fat trimmed too, as well as the rind) and "back bacon" refers to the location from which the cut was taken.
Posted by: Matt | March 16, 2009 9:04 AM
Hey there religion-haters, just thought Id take a minute here to salute you and your ability to compartmentalize and look past a man's spiritual and religious superstitions to appreciate his work of art, The Watchmen. I didnt think you had it in you.
Posted by: clinteas | March 16, 2009 9:26 AM
Its the night of the simple-minded trolls,it would appear.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 9:40 AM
yawn
Posted by: Don't Panic | March 16, 2009 9:53 AM
Nerd@925,
My thoughts exactly: new meds; Rooke is like a whole different kinda person in this thread than his initial incarnation circa the cracker episodes. And I too would have placed him in his 40-50's base on the earlier stuff.
While Barb is, well, evil in her beliefs, so are a lot of people like her in real life; her larger sin on this blog is that's she's boring and incapable of empathy, self-reflection or change.
Kwok, beyond the pompousness is frankly creepy. I think he's trying for jocularity but lacks sufficient social skills to pull it off.
On Facilis (+VD):
Beyond the (as usual wrong) idea that F/VD think there is a "the [] test" or that they have any grasp of "facts"
I think here, F/VD are referring to a thread we once had where there was an online Asperger's "test" and a bunch of us went off an took it, reporting back our results as a lark. It didn't surprise me that that there was an apparent above average rate, and it wouldn't surprise me if in actual fact that was really true (as opposed to some random set of online questions). But apparently F/VD think this is somehow relevant, or perhaps even a BadThing™. I seem to remember a real study reporting a skew towards Asperger's in what we would self-refer to as geeks and nerd.
Oh, and: bacon. Hmmm, I've made it to the end of the thread so it is time to go make bacon.
Posted by: Watchman | March 16, 2009 10:16 AM
GodIsLove sayeth, "...you will BURN in HELL for all eternity... ALL ETERNITY."
LMAO, because nothing spells "L-O-V-E" like inflicting eternal agony on your own children!
Re: Heartbreak Hotel, this comes from the Heartbreak Hotel entry on Wikipedia:
There's no mention of Mike Oldfield, because he wasn't one of the performers on that particular song. He did, however, appear on the concert album which contains the Cale/Ayers/Nico version of the song: June 1, 1974.
Posted by: Ken Cope | March 16, 2009 10:31 AM
@1036 How about "as interpreted by Jared Diamond and Richard Dawkins."
Posted by: windy | March 16, 2009 10:39 AM
Maybe that's just online, I suspect he might be a supreme ass-kisser irl.
Posted by: windy | March 16, 2009 10:53 AM
Are you referring to Alan Moore, self-admitted worshipper of a fraudulent puppet snake god?
Er, OK. It's terrible if people here don't respect Alan Moore's beliefs in things he himself doesn't respect! Waaaah!
Posted by: Mike | March 16, 2009 10:53 AM
Challenge the First: All Creationists must be able to accurately state the Theory of Evolution prior to criticizing it.
Challenge the Second: All Creationists must be able to identify at least one potential observation that would call into question the validity of Creation.
Challenge the Third: All Creationists must be able to state a single observation that *positively* supports creationism *to the exclusion* of evolution ("Not Evolution, Therefore Creationism" shall be grounds for immediate dismissal).
Posted by: Matt | March 16, 2009 10:54 AM
Hey I loved his comic, im just surprised I havent seen Alan Moore mocked on this site for his Black Magick practices. Anyone care to guess what his next book is about? Will PZ dance an atheist jig on Alan's Ouija board?
Oh yea, forgot, nary a word, just as long as Alan's not a Christian.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 16, 2009 10:58 AM
*rolls eyes*
Matt, you're a dope.
Posted by: Watchman | March 16, 2009 11:23 AM
Right, cuz PZ has never criticized occultists or non-Christian monotheists. *eyeroll*
Maybe it's more like this, Matt:
"Nary a word, just as long as Alan doesn't try to insinuate aspects of his mystical beliefs into public school science curricula or into the law of the land."
Alright, that's just a rough draft, but you're a bright boy, I'm sure you get the idea.
Posted by: Elwood | March 16, 2009 11:39 AM
Just thought I'd stick this link here for youall's amusement.
Meera Syal on religion. I heartily agree with just about everything she says here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7902340.stm
Posted by: John Kwok | March 16, 2009 12:06 PM
@ Tassie Devil #932 -
Rattle's not my cup of tea with Beethoven either, especially when I own his Beethoven symphony cycle with the Wiener Philharmoniker, and wasn't really impressed (IMHO he's much better conducting Mahler. Heard him conduct the Philadelphia Orchestra about five years ago in an absolutely riveting account of the Mahler 5th Symphony.).
As for Beethoven symphony cycle recordings, my choices are these:
1) Haitink and the London Symphony Orchestra on the LSO Live label. Excellent sound, sensational performances from the LSO and Haitink's literally rethought his conception of Beethoven due to the relatively new Jonathan Del Mar-edited Barenreiter Edition scores. I especially recommend their performances of the 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th and 9th symphonies.
2) Abbado and the Berliner Philharmoniker on the Deutsche Grammophon label. Think the BPO plays better with Abbado at the podium than with Rattle, and again, especially noteworthy since Abbado, like Haitink, has carefully reconsidered his conception of Beethoven using the same Barenreiter Edition. Their 3rd symphony recording ties with Haitink's as the best I have heard in recent recordings, and I also like very much their accounts of the 5th, 6th, 7th and 9th symphonies.
3) Zinman and the Tonhalle Orchestra on the RCA/Arte Nova label primarily for two reasons. It is much cheaper than either Haitink's or Abbado's latest. It was also the first Beethoven symphony cycle from a major orchestra using the Barenreiter Edition.
An interesting one in progress is with Osmo Vanska conducting the Minnesota Orchestra.
John
Posted by: John Kwok | March 16, 2009 12:20 PM
@ windy # 1046 -
No, I'm not a "very good asskisser". Even Ken Miller has yelled at me (Hint: Take a look at PZ's latest thread on state excellent science education advocacy groups.).
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 12:31 PM
SEF-
No, and no, and no.
This is bacon before its cooked
This is bacon cooking.
This is bacon cooked.
Anything else is . . . not bacon.
What we were served - all over Scotland, in London, and in Stratford-upon-Avon (at a Holiday Inn no less) - was ham.
Posted by: mayhempix
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March 16, 2009 1:04 PM
Posted by: Matt
"Hey there religion-haters, just thought Id take a minute here to salute you and your ability to compartmentalize and look past a man's spiritual and religious superstitions to appreciate his work of art, The Watchmen."
Why are you such a thick skulled ass... did God create you that way?
Please show one example where anyone has ever posted here that because a person has personal spiritual or religious beliefs, it automatically negates the art or any other valid body of work they have produced. From Newton to Led Zeppelin Pharyngulites have shown respect, admiration and at times fanboi allegiance to many.
The beauty of Watchmen is its moral ambiguity in the face of reality, that we all compromise our ideals when faced with imperfect choices and the fact that no god intervenes to save anyone.
Plus it has the best superhero sex scene ever.
Posted by: Matt | March 16, 2009 1:26 PM
believe it or not #1056, I wasnt being sarcastic. There isnt even the disclaimer, "not too bad, for a Wiccan", that Id expect to see if (im being generous) an openly Christian artist produced something of similar acclaim.
>>>insinuate aspects of his mystical beliefs into public school science curricula or into the law of the land
Nice try #1051, but this suitably high bar is not the trigger for anti-religious tirades around here. BTW, I agree with your sentiment and would join you full throated against all state sponsored religious 'insinuations'.
Perhaps you can point me to a thread here where Alans mysticism has been derisively and properly trashed. Certainly Ive seen others non-Xian spirituality mocked around here, just not Mr A. Moores'.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 1:30 PM
Should PZ start a thread of every person who believes in some nonsense yet is able to produce something of worth totally unrelated or of at least some artistic value?
I FULLY EXPECT PZ TO SOUNDLY THRASH JOHN COLTRANE IMEDIATELY!!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 1:32 PM
el suck on the copy / paste job in the blockquotes above.
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 16, 2009 1:35 PM
How about this: Matt, rather stupid for a dumbass.
Oh no! I must stop listening to Richard Thompson because he is a Muslim.
Posted by: Matt | March 16, 2009 1:42 PM
A decent point, Reverend Chimp, though Coltrane is a non-sequiter. Just what did you think "A Love Supreme" was all about? Nearly everything Coltrane produced, post addiction in particular, was homage to God and family. A family-values hipster really. No doubt if PZ posted a half-dozen or so posts about him and some major work of art his Christianity would rapidly become a topic.
Nah, Alan's gotten gobsmacking good press around here lately, thought Id fill the void.
Posted by: Watchman | March 16, 2009 1:48 PM
Matt:
Ok, point taken, but there's no single "bar". It's more like an array of context-dependent behavior thresholds.
For example, the recent Brazilian rape/abortion story, or the infamous cracker story, or any number of child-harmed-in-exorcism stories, or any number of stories that deal with the repression and cruelties inflicted upon women under fundamental Islam. And so on, and so on. Not to mention all the anti-pseudoscience and anti-woo stories.
So you believe Moore should be trashed. Ok, maybe his beliefs wouldn't get much respect around here, but is it really an indication of systemic Pharyngulan hypocrisy that he hasn't been trashed yet? The implications of my original post on the subject, and the "high bar" as you so generously put it, are this: Moore hasn't incurred the wrath of the awooist population because Moore himself hasn't forced the issue by trying to inflict his belief system on society in a way that would make liberal awooists object. Yet. Not that I'm aware of, anyway.
By contrast, the same cannot be said for, say, Orson Scott Card, whose general body of work is not exactly held in low esteem around here. AFAIK.
Granted, this argument is imperfect, but it'll have to stand as is for the moment. Gotta go make lunch, then get back to the debugger.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 1:52 PM
Non-sequitur in what way? Because he hasn't been discussed here?
Well yeah I know what A Love Supreme was about. That's why I brought it up to even more emphasize my point.
Just because A Love Supreme is an expression of Coltrane's religious views, it in no way takes aways from the artistic beauty of the piece.
Watchman, as far as I know I haven't seen or read it, is an artistic piece done absent any major tip of the hat to his supernatural leanings.
I love the Cerebus comic series and up until Sims misogynistic views took over the entirety of the comic, I thought it was fantastic. That was the problem, his batshittyness started to affect the comic to a point that they were nearly indiscernible.
If watchman was the same way then I guarantee that PZ or whoever would make a point of dissecting it.
Watchmen and the author's ability has gotten great press.
Not sure that Alan in particular outside Watchmen has.
Posted by: Matt | March 16, 2009 2:02 PM
>>>but is it really an indication of systemic Pharyngulan hypocrisy that he hasn't been trashed yet?
I dont think I went that far. As I said, Ive certainly read other mysticsim-trashings around here. Just noting the silence here over Alan.
>>>Moore hasn't incurred the wrath of the awooist population because Moore himself hasn't forced the issue by trying to inflict his belief system on society in a way that would make liberal awooists object. Yet.
As for inflicting beliefs...I dont agree that writing a book on _______ religion is 'inflicting' of anything. Thats rather insulting to true victims of religions infliction throughout history. Like Repubs who see commies in every Whole Foods, and Dems who see a fascist in every policeman, you run the risk of self-caricature with this statement.
All that said, Mr. Moores next book is rumored to be on Black Magick, replete with a fold-out Quija board. If this proves true, I'll look forward to your comments on the matter.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 2:11 PM
Not sure you are quite there yet. Typically the people trashed for holding silly beliefs are the ones not just writing books, but wanting to inject their brand of "woo" into the political, scientific or education spheres. not always mind you, but way more than not.
If his book on black magic calls for people to treat it with equal respect with more natural explanations then you may just see it eviscerated here.
Posted by: Matt | March 16, 2009 2:17 PM
How about this for an attempt at agreement Rev?
Compulsion = infliction.
Conversation /= infliction.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 2:23 PM
Yeah on a very simple scale I guess that's close, though there are so many nuances to the issue that it doesn't really cover everything.
I don't think you'll get anyone here (well maybe) that is against conversation on topics.
But when asked to provide support for one's position and people start waffling and giving circular arguments to support their position is when they get hammered on. Which is what usually leads to the dogpile situations that are admittedly frequent here.
Posted by: Watchman | March 16, 2009 2:24 PM
Matt:
Ok. Point taken.
I can't disagree with you there. (If you thought I might, then I must have been unclear about something earlier, which is entirely my fault.)
Posted by: SEF | March 16, 2009 2:48 PM
No. That's "crispy bacon" - of particularly low quality, in being high fat and low meat. Bacon rashers cooked properly should be flatter than that - just crinkled a bit and curled at the edges.Posted by: Dan J
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March 16, 2009 4:14 PM
Matt said:
Well, that would be Ouija with an "O", but only if it's from Parker Brothers, who happen to hold the trademark on that name.
Other than that, I would probably be interested in checking out Mr. Moore's book. The fact that I don't believe in a magic sky-fairy does not prevent me from enjoying literature produced by people who do. I'm also rather fond of some of Isaac Bonewits' books, but that doesn't make me a Druid. Does Mr. Bonewits go around promoting his neo-pagan faith as the One True Religion®? Not that I've noticed. I usually only see so-called "traditional" groups of the Abrahamic flavor do that. That's generally the impetus behind my own remarks against organized religions and their adherents.
Posted by: Paul Putter | March 16, 2009 4:42 PM
Dear Pharingulans
Those nasty religiots are trying to shut us up in South Africa. A local shopping chain has banned a student publication for blasphemous content. Please show your support for freedom of speech and thought by crashing this poll:
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Thanks
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 5:26 PM
No. That's "crispy bacon" - of particularly low quality, in being high fat and low meat. Bacon rashers cooked properly should be flatter than that - just crinkled a bit and curled at the edges.
No, that's just bacon.
That's the bacon the USA Pharynguloids are discussing and drooling over. That high fat content? That's why it's so delicious and why we drool and moan over it.
WTF is a rasher anyway? Nevermind, don't care. Just accept that what "you" call something and what "we" call something, just because both sound alike and are spelled alike, are not the same thing, 'k? 'Nuf with your pedantry.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | March 16, 2009 5:37 PM
I'm going to have to agree with BMS, though I never cook my bacon that crispy.
The fat is key to the goodness of bacon.
Actually the fat is key to the goodness of pork. Industrial farming and breeding in response to market pressure have turned the marvelous pig into a lean less tasty animal. That is why when I can I try to buy heritage breed pork. They are usually raised on small farms, are not subjected to the nastiness of some industrial farms techniques and are not bred to be something they aren't.
Posted by: Stephen Wells | March 16, 2009 5:39 PM
@Matt: if you really want to hear something earth-shakingly devastating, Bach's music is beautiful, although he was- gasp!- a Christian! Horrors!
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 16, 2009 5:44 PM
ach's music is beautiful, although he was- gasp!- a Christian! Horrors!
so was (some of) Wagner's, even though he was a Nazi.
your point?
Posted by: Janine, Insulting Sinner | March 16, 2009 5:54 PM
Was not Richard Strauss briefly Reichsmusikkammer?
Posted by: SEF | March 16, 2009 5:55 PM
You're the one who doesn't seem to want to accept it. However, if you're in the UK again sometime, asking for "crispy bacon" is more likely to get you what you actually want. There's a good reason for pedantry - as any scientist should know.I still don't believe they would really have served you ham under the name "bacon" though. I expect you just don't know what ham is either.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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March 16, 2009 5:59 PM
Wagner wasn't a Nazi since he died in 1883, six years before Hitler was born. However, Wagner was anti-semitic, a proponent of Nietzsche's superman (Wagner believed he was one), and an all-around asshole. He began an affair with Cosima von Bülow and was shocked that her husband objected. Wagner could not understand why Hans von Bülow could possibly stand between Wagner and something (and he did consider Cosima to be a thing) he wanted.
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 6:48 PM
While I agree there are indeed good, even excellent, reasons for pedantry, there are no good reasons for your pedantry on this particular issue.
Posted by: BMS | March 16, 2009 6:50 PM
I expect you just don't know what ham is either.
I grew up in the South.
Posted by: Ron Sullivan | March 16, 2009 8:37 PM
Still here? Go shoppin!
Posted by: Dianne | March 16, 2009 10:02 PM
However, Wagner was anti-semitic, a proponent of Nietzsche's superman (Wagner believed he was one),
Have you ever heard of a person who believed in a "superman" type theory that didn't believe that he (or she) was one of the "supermen"? What's the point of worshipping a random group as the ideal if you're not part of it?
Posted by: SEF | March 17, 2009 5:12 AM
Untrue. Since you are apparently hard of thinking, I'll repeat what should be the most significant one to you: if you are ever in the UK again then asking for the correctly named thing (viz. "crispy bacon") is more likely to get you what you want.Posted by: JackC
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March 17, 2009 8:19 AM
SEF@1082 - why would anyone want to be somewhere else and get what they get at home? I have never worked that out. When I am away, I want the local stuff. If I don't like it, I won't order it next time!
Having been in the UK an awful long time ago, I can say I thoroughly enjoyed whatever was set before me as long as it was well done - and not just slapped down. I don't ever recall having trouble with the bacon, but then, I tend to pay more attention to Local Custom than perhaps others of my region.
I still remember that fish and chips I had by simply looking for - and following - a long line of obviously working folk down an alley off Piccadilly Circus. Actually, I think it still repeats on me occasionally ;-) - but it was local, it was soaked in grease and was just about the best I had ever had.
And I didn't expect it to be like a BK Big Fish Sandwich.
JC
Posted by: no2religion | March 19, 2009 12:17 AM
>>Brownian - Ooh-ooh! Let's exchange recipes!
Soylent Green because it IS people.
Posted by: no2religion | March 19, 2009 12:21 AM
>>Brownian - Ooh-ooh! Let's exchange recipes!
Soylent Green because it IS people.
Posted by: eddie | March 21, 2009 2:42 PM
Bacon, I'm late to this thread. But while we're swapping tunes, here's Creeping to the Cross.
PS - My earlier comment was the result of some html fail. I meant to write;
"Bacon There is no god. Discuss."
But I think we proved that one.
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