Wow. I thought it was amazing that Paul Nelson had taken 5 years and counting to get around to explaining ontogenetic depth, but that's nothing: he has been promising a monograph on common descent for eleven years. If his wife sends him out to the store for a gallon of milk, does he come back a year later with cheese?
Search
Profile
PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris.
…and this is a pharyngula stage embryo.
• a longer profile of yours truly
• my calendar
• Nature Network
• RichardDawkins Network
• facebook
• MySpace
• Twitter
• Atheist Nexus
• the Pharyngula chat room
(#pharyngula on irc.synirc.net)
I reserve the right to publicly post, with full identifying information about the source, any email sent to me that contains threats of violence.
Random Quote
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill; I will choose a path that's clear- I will choose Free Will.
[Rush, "Free Will"]
Recent Posts
- Our illness is their profit
- Friday Cephalopod: NUMBERLESS HOSTS!
- Dear Jezebel
- There Will Be Blood?
- Zooming in on the Origin of Life Science Foundation
- Friday Cephalopod: Feasibility trial successful
- Making excuses
- More bad science in the literature
- An open letter to the Indiana legislature
- One Carnival of Evolution, coming right up
A Taste of Pharyngula
Recent Comments
- David Marjanović on More bad science in the literature
- bpruitt570 on Our illness is their profit
- Seti on Our illness is their profit
- Quack on Our illness is their profit
- https://me.yahoo.com/a/PEzPIDl5yZq_ophitb7kJOTDwIEO#3c0e4 on Our illness is their profit
- Tumara Baap on Our illness is their profit
- chriswarr on Our illness is their profit
- vibise on Zooming in on the Origin of Life Science Foundation
- mrpoxman on Our illness is their profit
- Everbleed on Friday Cephalopod: NUMBERLESS HOSTS!
Archives
- February 2012
- January 2012
- December 2011
- November 2011
- October 2011
- September 2011
- August 2011
- July 2011
- June 2011
- May 2011
- April 2011
- March 2011
- February 2011
- January 2011
- December 2010
- November 2010
- October 2010
- September 2010
- August 2010
- July 2010
- June 2010
- May 2010
- April 2010
- March 2010
- February 2010
- January 2010
- December 2009
- November 2009
- October 2009
- September 2009
- August 2009
- July 2009
- June 2009
- May 2009
- April 2009
- March 2009
- February 2009
- January 2009
- December 2008
- November 2008
- October 2008
- September 2008
- August 2008
- July 2008
- June 2008
- May 2008
- April 2008
- March 2008
- February 2008
- January 2008
- December 2007
- November 2007
- October 2007
- September 2007
- August 2007
- July 2007
- June 2007
- May 2007
- April 2007
- March 2007
- February 2007
- January 2007
- December 2006
- November 2006
- October 2006
- September 2006
- August 2006
- July 2006
- June 2006
- May 2006
- April 2006
- March 2006
- February 2006
- January 2006
Blogroll
Other Information
« Intelligent Design is warmed-over creationism | Main | That explains a lot »
More articles by PZ Myers can be found on Freethoughtblogs at the new Pharyngula!
Memorable procrastination
Category: Creationism
Posted on: April 30, 2009 12:06 PM, by PZ Myers
TrackBacks
TrackBack URL for this entry: http://scienceblogs.com/mt/pings/108444
Leave a comment
HTML commands: <i>italic</i>, <b>bold</b>, <a href="url">link</a>, <blockquote>quote</blockquote>
Comments
Posted by: buried | April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
Aw, give him a break...maybe he's had a lot of grading to do.
Posted by: Holbach
|
April 30, 2009 12:21 PM
Of course he will come back with cheese instead of milk, after having fermented into cheese for a year, at least looking like cheese but perhaps tasting like anything but cheese.
Posted by: James F | April 30, 2009 12:23 PM
Meanwhile, Dembski and Marks have two papers coming out...somewhere. Even Casey Luskin didn't say where.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
|
April 30, 2009 12:24 PM
Gee whiz, if all I had to do was to write a paper, and would get paid to do it full time, it would be worked on diligently. Now, five years later, and neither a paper nor an acknowledgement that there is nothing there? How deep is hole he dug (drops rock to see how deep the hole is).
Posted by: Fred the Hun
|
April 30, 2009 12:25 PM
Sure, it would give him time to study lactobacillus cultures and how they evolve ;-)
Posted by: Moggie
|
April 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Well, apparently he worships cheeses, though I admit I may have misheard that.
Posted by: Glen Davidson
|
April 30, 2009 12:32 PM
Of course he had to help write a textbook made up of many creationist canards. No doubt repeating that junk took up many hours.
And it could be that he's found refuting evolution a tad difficult. Hard to believe, you know, but surely it's just possible.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/6mb592
Posted by: murgadroid | April 30, 2009 12:39 PM
"Blessed are the cheesemakers? Why them?"
Posted by: Feynmaniac | April 30, 2009 12:44 PM
Well, I thought Alan Clarke's 3 weeks (and counting) delayed response to Josh was bad. He can't use the "I'm doing my taxes" excuse anymore.
Posted by: James F | April 30, 2009 12:45 PM
"Well, obviously, it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products."
Posted by: lose_the_woo
|
April 30, 2009 12:52 PM
I just got done reading the brief over at Panda's Thumb. I waited 5 years to have that explained? And why does this seem like deja vu? Seriously. When I got near the end where it talks about the unattributed quote from China, I had a solid deja vu experience. Hmmm.
This just seems like more of the same. Whether it's blood clotting, or flagella, it all seems like hand waving.
Why don't they just start with the straight forward stuff, like explaining why there are no fossils of deer along those of dinosaurs? Have they done that yet? Does anyone know of their "explanation" for that?
Posted by: Kobra | April 30, 2009 12:53 PM
Eleven years of dishonesty, grandstanding, and douchebaggery. Way to go, Nelson.
Posted by: Ahnald Brownshwagga the Monkey | April 30, 2009 1:06 PM
@8...Well it's not meant to be taken literally. It really refers to anyone who works in the dairy industry.
Posted by: NewEnglandBob
|
April 30, 2009 1:20 PM
I am about to post a comment here...but I will get back to you shortly.
Posted by: Moggie
|
April 30, 2009 1:26 PM
The dog ate his homework... a lot.
Posted by: bob | April 30, 2009 1:31 PM
Now now now, maybe he's just being a good scientist and still testing his hypotheses. Oh, wait, nope ... he already believes his ideas have merit, and is a fellow of the ID propaganda machine DI. Oops.
Posted by: Loc | April 30, 2009 2:04 PM
Seriously, he can't decide on a font.
Posted by: Emmet, OM
|
April 30, 2009 2:13 PM
So, when his wife sends him out to the store for a gallon of milk, he comes back a year later with a duck.
Posted by: Victor
|
April 30, 2009 2:14 PM
FTA: "the mysterious unitless number"
Why are ID's hypotheses so funny? I almost feel a bit sorry for them.
Posted by: Pdiff
|
April 30, 2009 2:15 PM
Moggie @6
That was good! Damn good! Now all I can think of is "cheeses on a cross". I think I'll work on an appetizer of that name :-)
As for Nelson, I'm sure he's working in Biblical time. For him, it's only been a few seconds ......
Posted by: blf
|
April 30, 2009 2:16 PM
When he goes out to get a litre of milk, he… well, we don't know what he comes back with. We're still waiting…
Posted by: squal25 | April 30, 2009 2:19 PM
Sweet. Shirley Manson of Garbage is one of us. I guess that proves the atheists are the Terminators of the future.
Posted by: Geoff | April 30, 2009 2:37 PM
Well done and informative.
Is ID anything but bad metaphors?
Posted by: Fred the Hun
|
April 30, 2009 2:50 PM
Pdiff @ 20
Found this via google "Cheese Hot Cross Buns"
Posted by: Bokanovsky Process | April 30, 2009 2:54 PM
No, no, you're all misreading this. Darwin took something like, what, two decades to go public with his ideas about evolution? I'm sure Nelson's doing something similar, only his theory will be much better than anything Darwin ginned up, and thus will take that much more time to do well. "Ontogenetic depth" is just that important.
Or maybe not.
Posted by: Plummet | April 30, 2009 2:55 PM
Happy Valborg's Eve to all
Posted by: Bill McElree | April 30, 2009 3:03 PM
It looks like he was trying to cash in on the Christian Distraction Machine bandwagon. They come up with this crap to appear to support their forgone conclusion. Then they provide enough of it so one can move from distraction to distraction to keep themselves from doing any heavy thinking.
We should all be thankful his contribution to the creationuts meme didn't catch on so we don't have to waste any time on it.
Posted by: MosesZD
|
April 30, 2009 3:41 PM
Only if he goes to the store with some rennet.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
|
April 30, 2009 3:46 PM
What a friend we have in cheeses.
Posted by: Andy Groves | April 30, 2009 7:40 PM
About 5-6 years ago, Paul told me that one of the reasons for his "demotion" from a Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute was his failure to come up with the published monograph. It turns out that the Evolutionary Monographs series at UChicago is basically defunct (it was a one-man show even in its palmy days), so it's unlikely that Paul's work will ever see the light of day. I think he should just publish it online, but I guess that wouldn't be as prestigious as being published under the University of Chicago banner. And fake prestige is all the IDiots can hope to gain.......
Posted by: Felix | April 30, 2009 9:39 PM
Well, if I believed I had an eternal life in front of me, I'd have no problem taking eleven years to write down a phone number. Kind of changes perspective on a lot of things, not just the value of life and how to spend it. If you believe you're going to be forever, what does anything matter that involves any finite time frame?
Posted by: JeffS | May 1, 2009 2:13 AM
So when I'm done my undergraduate degree in biology (health professions focus =/) will I be able to understand this stuff?
I feel dismayed I can share the smirks at reading the complete drubbing that Nelson is probably recieving since I don't really understand the material being discussed.
Posted by: JeffS | May 1, 2009 2:18 AM
#32 should read
"I feel dismayed I can't share the smirks..."
Posted by: John Phillips, FCD
|
May 1, 2009 11:28 AM
Moggie #6 FTW. Though saying that, this thread is full of win :)