It's a novel argument, at least. This evangelist has a weird justification for the priority of Christianity: because we say "Jesus Christ!" when we wack our thumb with a hammer, instead of "Buddha!", he must be the one true god.
Alas for that line of reasoning, I've noticed that more people are more likely to shout out a certain four-letter word when surprised or hurt or angry, which must mean that sex is god.










Comments
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 12:19 PM
Humm. This must mean my step-father is god.
Posted by: Paco | June 24, 2009 12:19 PM
I KNEW IT!
Kenny Loggins IS Satan!!!
Posted by: Desert Son, OM
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June 24, 2009 12:22 PM
Reminds me of the Bill Cosby routine (apologies for the paraphrase, don't remember exactly how it goes):
"For years, I thought my brother was Damnit and I was 'Jesus Christ.' Dad would say, 'Jesus Christ, will you stop all that noise?!?' One time, he yelled, 'Get over here, damn it!' 'But, Dad, I'm Jesus Christ!"
No kings,
Robert
Posted by: robotaholic
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June 24, 2009 12:22 PM
this guy is such a retard
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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June 24, 2009 12:25 PM
sooo..... what does it mean that I generally scream "shit"(or "cholera", when in Poland... Polish has a thing for diseases as profanity)?
Posted by: Alyson Miers | June 24, 2009 12:26 PM
We use "Jesus Christ!" and "Oh my God!" as exclamations because Christianity is so pervasive in Western cultures. Even atheists use "Oh my God" and "for God's sake" and other theistically themed verbal tics. It's drilled into us from birth along with the rest of America. Circular "reasoning" at its most obvious.
Posted by: Lee Picton | June 24, 2009 12:26 PM
I made it through one minute and 15 seconds. What does it say about the intelligence level of people who sit through this crap - and believe it?
Posted by: Glen Davidson
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June 24, 2009 12:28 PM
No, the fact is that Mary gave birth to Jesus, and Joseph never having seen a newborn that hadn't been cleaned swore "Jesus Christ, that's a damn ugly thing."
Mary was just about passed out then, but came to and told everybody that Joseph had named the baby Jesus Christ, and he'd better talk nicer about the baby if he wants to get back into the place from whence Jesus came.
You can't prove me wrong, so it's you have to face the fact that the swear word may have come first, whatever the preacher man said.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/6mb592
Posted by: Lotharloo | June 24, 2009 12:28 PM
So, where does "Jesus fucking Christ" fit in the picture?
Posted by: Tim | June 24, 2009 12:30 PM
@#2 So what does that make Jim Messina?
Posted by: Hank Fox | June 24, 2009 12:32 PM
If you believe there are no atheists in foxholes, then you have to allow for the possibility, when the bullets start to fly and everybody dives into the dirt, that God's real name is "FUCK!!!"
Posted by: Geds | June 24, 2009 12:36 PM
Back when I was a young, wannabe edgy/rebel fundamentalist I used to take the names of terrible Christian pop singers in vain. My favorites were Al Denson and Carman. I wonder what our preacher friend would say about that?
Even now I don't use much in the way of the names of deities to admit disgust. But lately I've been saying "gorram" a lot. I'm not sure if that means anything, though.
Posted by: Hank Fox | June 24, 2009 12:41 PM
My own theory is that exclamatories and expletives amount to wordless barks. I think I remember reading that they're even stored in a place in the brain, slightly separate from and probably older than, the part that normally handles language.
Early on, we store SOMETHING in there, based on cultural norms, and whenever we hit our thumb with a hammer, or stumble over a tricycle in the dark, or get a sudden surprise, whatever's stored there is what gets barked. It could be Jesus Christ, shit, goddamit, fuck, AH!, or even Great Caesar's Ghost!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 12:42 PM
Huh?
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:42 PM
This was also in the video list of 'everythingisterrible', who you had linked before with the Shepard[sic]'s Chapel video.
The group that puts those out has a great collection of goofy cable access Xian videos on their blog.
Posted by: Newfie | June 24, 2009 12:43 PM
˙uɐʇɐs ɥʇıʍ ǝʌıl ı ǝsnɐɔǝq ƃuıs ı
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 12:43 PM
How can these people get on TV?
USA is truly retarded.
Posted by: Angel Kaida | June 24, 2009 12:43 PM
PZ,
"whack"
Sorry, it just bothered me.
Posted by: RamblinDude
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June 24, 2009 12:46 PM
Jesus Christ! I was thinking about this topic just yesterday! Really! I was wondering if preachers like this guy admonish people not to take the lord’s name in vain, but are secretly glad that they do it, anyway, because it’s another way to keep people preoccupied with religion. Holy Christ, what a coincidence!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 12:47 PM
Yeah the whole freedom of speech thing is a bummer.
Posted by: Ted Meissner | June 24, 2009 12:47 PM
.... aaaaand Buddha's not a god either. Clearly you're not keeping up with Atheist Talk podcast :-)
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Ah, I see, this WAS the same group, just logged under a different Youtube user.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Ah, I see, this WAS the same group, just logged under a different Youtube user.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Ah, I see, this WAS the same group, just logged under a different Youtube user.
Posted by: shoshidge | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
I've been known to scream 'cocksucker!' when i stub my toe or encounter a traffic problem, I guess I've fallen victim to the gay agenda.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Ah, I see, this WAS the same group, just logged under a different Youtube user.
Posted by: Eamon Knight | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
But lately I've been saying "gorram" a lot. I'm not sure if that means anything, though.
It's an obvious sanitization of "goddamn" so they could use it on TV, same as BSG used "frack" (and in the long tradition of other sanitizations like "darn", "heck", "shoot", "gosh", "gee-whiz",....).
I do wonder whether other cultures cuss in the name of their traditional diety -- do Hindus invoke Vishnu or Krshna in moments of stress?
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Ah, I see, this WAS the same group, just logged under a different Youtube user.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Ah, I see, this WAS the same group, just logged under a different Youtube user.
Posted by: Southern Comfort | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
Well the way I swear there must be a pantheon of gods!!
Posted by: Jay | June 24, 2009 12:49 PM
My religion is flexible as it is totally dependent on the name of the deity I yell during a blowie, which is dependent on my sexual partner's religious affiliation. Le sigh, if only all religions were so flexible
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 12:52 PM
holy shit
Posted by: Steamshovelmama | June 24, 2009 12:52 PM
Dammit! He's doing Bill Hicks! Bill, the wackos have stolen your delivery, your vocabulary and (almost)your timing!
Bill could have done this whole speech, almost without changing a word and *we would have laughed*, safe in the knowledge that something this dumb *had* to be irony (or sarcasm at least).
Come back, Bill. The wackos are winning. We need you!
Posted by: James Sweet | June 24, 2009 12:52 PM
Heh, "Tarot cards", rhymes with "carrot". Nice.
In seriousness, I do sometimes think about trying to purge the pseudo-religious expressions I use from my vocabulary. Saying "Jesus H. Fucking Christ on crutches!" when I experience sudden pain isn't too bad, but I do say "thank god" more often than I intend to. I figure as long as it's assumed to be a lower-case G, the intention is clear, but I wouldn't want to give anybody the wrong impression...
Posted by: Ziztur | June 24, 2009 12:53 PM
I love the unsubstantiated moral panic here - They're killing children ZOMG! Stabbing babies! Forget the fact that most children are abducted by their own parents or relatives.
Posted by: Tommy Traddles | June 24, 2009 12:53 PM
"because we say "Jesus Christ!" when we wack our thumb with a hammer, instead of "Buddha!", he must be the one true god."
I prefer JESUS H. CHRISTOHER C. CHRIST ALMIGHTY @ #$%#&*...
Posted by: ThirtyFiveUp | June 24, 2009 12:53 PM
Actually, when I saw a extraordinary set of buttocks in stretch pants the other day, J C son of G, was my first thought, with appropriate exclamation points.
The F word is not at the top of my brain.
Posted by: Moggie
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June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
From now on, I'm going to yell "Ryan F Stello" when I stub my toe.
Posted by: Geds | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
Rev. BDC
First off, I was in junior high at the time I came up with my brilliant plan...
In my church you weren't allowed to swear and obviously not allowed to blaspheme. I even knew people who went so far as to admonish me if I said "darn," because that word was a substitution for a much worse word. And, um, as I recall, "damn" was bad because it either mocked god's privilege as the one who damns or put the user of the word on the same playing field as god, as in, "I call damnation on that, just as god would, bwah ha ha!"
I'd managed to figure out that Christian pop culture was mostly stupid and bereft of value. So I decided that instead of swearing I'd turn idiot Christian artists in to swears. This was, oddly enough, a bit of a rebellion. So if I got mad at something and said, "Oooh, Al Denson," people who were in on it/stuck around long enough for the explanation would have a good laugh and agree that Al Denson sucked and nobody actually stopped to think that I'd substituted "Al Denson" for "shit" or "fuck" and got mad at me for thinking about such horrid words.
Convoluted? Yes. Amusing? A little. Rebellious? Yes, but only in that narrow context.
Meanwhile, the fact that I was able to think about such things on that (relatively) complex level when I was 13 and pretty much did it with the intention of faking out the enforcers of orthodoxy is a pretty good indication that I'd eventually be engaging in complex reasoning to get myself out of church entirely. But that's a story for another day...
(Also, I've gotten the submission timeout and refreshed several times in another window. So if this appears as a double post, I've done my due diligence.)
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
You don't even know what freedom of speech means. Stop romanticizing your flawed system.
Posted by: Knockgoats | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
Reminds me of a colourful slang term for vomiting: "calling God on the great white telephone".
Posted by: Newfie | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
So when I scream, "Cork Suckin Fargin Barstitch" when I stub my toe, it means that I'm preoccupied with the movie Johnny Dangerously?
Posted by: Dahan | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
Not completely novel. I once heard a pastor tell the story of two planes running into each other on the ground. Apparently one of the pilots looked up just in time to see the other plane headed his way and his last words were "Well, I'll be damned!"
The pastor thought this was evidence that at the moment of our dying we are all aware of god and where we'll be going.
There's a lot of serious crazy out there.
Posted by: Pascalle
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June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
I say Kut or the F word when i hit my thumb. Kut is a dutch word, it's a bastard word for vagina but not as rude as cunt.
I think this guy doesn't reaslise it's not a good thing that your holy person gets to be called out when people hurt themselfs, are angry and do stupid things (like hit their own thumb).
Just my thoughts.
Posted by: datamuse | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
I can't help but think of this quote from Terry Pratchett's novel Men at Arms:
"It takes a very special and strong minded kind of atheist to jump up and down...and shout, 'Oh, random fluctuations-in-the-space-time-continuum!' or 'Aaargh, primitive-and-outmoded-concept on a crutch!'"
Posted by: Eamon Knight | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
Hank Fox @#13:My own theory is that exclamatories and expletives amount to wordless barks....
FWIW, I think you're exactly right. Cuss-words (whether blasphemy, sexual, or excretory) have little more sematic content than wordless exclamations like "ouch!" (OK, that's not entirely true: calling something "shit" invokes the idea of disgust with the object).
What they do possess in addition to those, however, is the extra punch of breaking a cultural taboo, thereby releasing a little more of the emotional tension. This is one reason for limiting one's casual use of expletives, as it weakens that taboo, thereby vitiating the impact of breaking it. As Flanders and Swan said: if four-letter words become commonplace, then we'll have nothing left for special occasions!
Posted by: james | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
@#18: LOL!! Yer taking me back to so. baptist church camp with that Zepplin backmasking stuff. Scared us teenagers good, and made me miss out on some of the greatest music of all time for fear I'd go to hell.
Posted by: Bernard Bumner
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June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
One might begin to suspect that televangelists have no understanding of language, no understanding of culture, no understanding of history, and have never bothered to seek any experience which might challenge their own smug, self-confirmatory, preconceptions of reality.
Posted by: Geds | June 24, 2009 1:01 PM
Rev. BDC
First off, I was in junior high at the time I came up with my brilliant plan...
In my church you weren't allowed to swear and obviously not allowed to blaspheme. I even knew people who went so far as to admonish me if I said "darn," because that word was a substitution for a much worse word. And, um, as I recall, "damn" was bad because it either mocked god's privilege as the one who damns or put the user of the word on the same playing field as god, as in, "I call damnation on that, just as god would, bwah ha ha!"
I'd managed to figure out that Christian pop culture was mostly stupid and bereft of value. So I decided that instead of swearing I'd turn idiot Christian artists in to swears. This was, oddly enough, a bit of a rebellion. So if I got mad at something and said, "Oooh, Al Denson," people who were in on it/stuck around long enough for the explanation would have a good laugh and agree that Al Denson sucked and nobody actually stopped to think that I'd substituted "Al Denson" for "shit" or "fuck" and got mad at me for thinking about such horrid words.
Convoluted? Yes. Amusing? A little. Rebellious? Yes, but only in that narrow context.
Meanwhile, the fact that I was able to think about such things on that (relatively) complex level when I was 13 and pretty much did it with the intention of faking out the enforcers of orthodoxy is a pretty good indication that I'd eventually be engaging in complex reasoning to get myself out of church entirely. But that's a story for another day...
Posted by: Jared Cormier
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June 24, 2009 1:02 PM
Hallowed, his middle name is Hallowed...
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 1:03 PM
That was strange, I only clicked submit once and didn't close the submission window before moving on to different sites within other tabs.
I'm not sure how a resub would happen under those circumstances, but apologies are in order.
And Rev? Relax before jumping down someone's throat on a duplicate submission, it may be out of their control.
Posted by: littlejohn | June 24, 2009 1:03 PM
I've always been an atheist, but I use intesifiers like "god" and "jesus" routinely. Since I don't use them in a religious context, they're meaningless. It's just part of the American culture.
But if the true deity is whatever I reflexively yell after hitting my thumb with a hammer, then my god clearly is named "fuck."
Posted by: Sarcastro | June 24, 2009 1:04 PM
By this logic William Shakespeare, and most English persons from the 16th to 19th centuries, were avid worshippers of the Roman pantheon.
“By Jove, I always took three threes for nine" - Love's Labor Lost
Posted by: Jello | June 24, 2009 1:06 PM
Well of course sex is god, who did you think she was yelling at this whole time?
Posted by: mxh | June 24, 2009 1:06 PM
As are the people in his audience.
Posted by: John Simmons | June 24, 2009 1:08 PM
Funny how these people talk about things like "Rock Music and the Occult".. apparently not realizing that THEY are part of "The Occult"
Posted by: Pizack | June 24, 2009 1:08 PM
Heh. I've watched two preachers in the past week. This guy and some fellow on tv named Mike Murdoch. I had just come into some unexpected money (about 5 grand) and realized that for once in my (admittedly short) life I had more money than I needed. Mike comes on TV telling me how important it is to give to others, about how charity is an important Christian value. He even quoted Leviticus 19:9-10:
"And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God."
Which is a pretty good (if scripture based) argument for socialized medicine, but I digress. Anyway, much to my chagrin, I was really getting into his sermon, thinking about giving a grand to charity or something, when he finally gets to his point "...and the best place to sow your $1000 seed is in my ministry. Here's our number, we take all major credit cards." I don't know what he said after that, but I tuned in half an hour later and he was still pleading for cash in his expensive suit and big gold rings.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 1:12 PM
Moggie noted,
It's true: I can be just as big a bastich as that trio of loveable goofballs.
Except I never asked anyone to kill someone.
Or became genocidal because my kids weren't playing the way I wanted them to.
On second thought, please, I don't want that honor.
Posted by: alatham | June 24, 2009 1:13 PM
I use "Jesus!" as an exclamation simply because "Fuck!" isn't dirty enough.
Posted by: Pizack | June 24, 2009 1:13 PM
Heh. I've watched two preachers in the past week. This guy and some fellow on tv named Mike Murdoch. I had just come into some unexpected money (about 5 grand) and realized that for once in my (admittedly short) life I had more money than I needed. Mike comes on TV telling me how important it is to give to others, about how charity is an important Christian value. He even quoted Leviticus 19:9-10:
"And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God."
Which is a pretty good argument for socialized medicine, but I digress. Anyway, much to my chagrin, I was really getting into his sermon, thinking about giving a grand to charity or something, when he finally gets to his point "...and the best place to sow your $1000 seed is in my ministry. Here's our number, we take all major credit cards." I don't know what he said after that, but I tuned in half an hour later and he was still pleading for cash in his expensive suit and big gold rings.
Posted by: Bill Dauphin, OM | June 24, 2009 1:13 PM
T-shirt!!!
Posted by: Vidar | June 24, 2009 1:15 PM
By his logic the trinity is made of sex, feces, and Jesus Motherfucking Christ.
If I can flush 1/3rd of god down the toilet about once a day, than he really isn't as impressive as the godbots make him out to be.
Posted by: AndrewR | June 24, 2009 1:16 PM
The guy in the video making fun of Satan for "just lifting a table" is really funny in light of the "miracles" of Christ appearing on toast, on a Chee-Toh, on a burned up pan, on a grilled cheese (well, that was his mother, but still).
Posted by: Nomen Nescio | June 24, 2009 1:18 PM
this comic strip is quite old by now, and the artist's drawing skills have improved so greatly since that his more recent output really could be called a whole different comic by now, but it still needs to be posted...
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20000716.html
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 1:18 PM
I didn't, I just said holy shit.
What happened?
Did you not get the message?
I previously posted to PZ that I wasn't always getting the error message now. Not sure why that is happening when before the error was always coming up.
Posted by: Jared Cormier
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June 24, 2009 1:20 PM
"It is so nice to give to others; send me money!"
Posted by: Whatevermachine | June 24, 2009 1:21 PM
These people keep saying 'Buddha is not god!', as if people think he is. Buddhists do NOT think Buddha was a god!
Posted by: Mobius | June 24, 2009 1:22 PM
PZ said, "...which must mean that sex is god."
Well, that or excrement. I mean, we even say things like "Holy Sh..!"
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 1:22 PM
Ahh. I was picturing something else. Kind of like what Stephen Baldwin pictures himself as these days.
I like your explanation better.
Posted by: James Sweet | June 24, 2009 1:23 PM
Nice, Rev. BDC. I was going to say something about that unnecessary comment, too.
We've got a lot of problems here in America, and this whole Creationist thing is deeply embarrassing... But calling our entire country "retarded" on the basis of this one guy is about as fair as if I said all Austrians like to keep their family locked in a basement dungeon.
That guy Troy can get on the internet? Man, whatever country Troy comes from is retarded.
Posted by: m5 | June 24, 2009 1:25 PM
"Actually, when I saw a extraordinary set of buttocks in stretch pants the other day, J C son of G, was my first thought, with appropriate exclamation points.
The F word is not at the top of my brain."
It's definitely at the top of mine when I see a lovely bottom.
Posted by: Tom Coward | June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
What I like about Pharyngula is the element of surprize. Sometimes I log on and within minutes my IQ inches up at least a couple of points. However, other times.....
I'm gonna hafta read a coupla books of my 'cyclopeia to recover from this one.
Thanks, PZ, as ever.
Posted by: pikeamus | June 24, 2009 1:33 PM
If I start thinking of this post and thread the next time my girlfriend yells "Oh god!" in bed I'm gonna be coming back here looking for blood.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | June 24, 2009 1:34 PM
Rev said,
"I didn't, I just said holy shit."
Point taken.
Sorry about that: the sarcasm about having a massive reposting of some non-essential information zipped right past me.
I'm pretty sure that I did receieve the submission error after a longer period than usual, but I've already forgotten.
I did, however, have a paypal login issue within what I thought was a different tab. The only thing I can think of is that, in IE, resubmitting secure data within the same window and different tab may resend for all, crazy as that may sound (I'm not a web developer).
It may be more likely that I had reused the submission tab for something else.
Either way, 'tis a learnin' experience: don't frak with scienceblogs.
Posted by: bric | June 24, 2009 1:35 PM
In his introduction to his novel Myron, Gore Vidal mentions the Supreme Court decision Miller v. California, which in his words "leaves to each community the right to decide what is pornography." Saying that the decision has "alarmed and confused peddlers of smut" by eliminating guidelines, Vidal says he has decided to substitute the names of the five Justices who voted for the decision, plus the names of anti-pornography crusaders Charles Keating of Citizens for Decent Literature and Father Morton A. Hill, S.J. of Morality in Media (whom Vidal had debated on The David Susskind Show in 1968), for the "dirty words." He has done this to conform to the Supreme Court's imposition of the "community standards" test, as he wants "to conform with the letter and spirit of the Court's decision."
These are the words and their substitutions:
* blackmun: ass
* burger: fuck
* father hills: tits
* keating: shit
* powells: balls
* rehnquist: cock
* whizzer white: cunt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_(novel)
Posted by: robinsrule | June 24, 2009 1:43 PM
One of the side benefits of leaving goddamn Christianity is I can say "goddamn" all I goddamn want. Back then I thought it was the worst goddamn thing anyone could say, now I can't goddamn stop saying it.
Posted by: jn | June 24, 2009 1:44 PM
Kenny Loggins IS Satan. His beard is GOD though...
http://www.beabetterproducer.com
Posted by: Zub | June 24, 2009 1:48 PM
If you're right,and sex is god, then for the first time I understand how god is good!
Posted by: David Wiener
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June 24, 2009 1:48 PM
#18 - how did you do that?
Posted by: Owlmirror | June 24, 2009 1:49 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks to me like #49 is a duplicate of #39 -- except #49 was the one posted first, because #39 has the added-on bit about refreshing....
Holy race condition and database record contention, Batman!
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 1:49 PM
Why are you being so dumb?
If these kind of people can get on TV that means that there is an entire intellectually bankrupt societal infrastructure that enables them to be on TV. You don't just get on TV with your own dumbass show by accident.
And yes, USA is truly retarded, how do I know that?
I know that because George Bush was elected twice, even though it was obvious before he was elected the first time that he was blatantly stupid and ignorant.
Posted by: Satan | June 24, 2009 1:52 PM
˙ǝsɹnoɔ ɟo 'ǝɯ pǝʞoʌuı ǝɥ
Posted by: rob | June 24, 2009 1:56 PM
@Eamon Knight: "kiss my grits!"
:)
Posted by: Lorence | June 24, 2009 1:57 PM
If God can do anything, he can make a TABLE so heavy that even he can't lift it. Then there is something God cannot do, he cannot lift the TABLE. Therefore God does not exist.
With apologies to Lucretius, Roman poet
Posted by: James Brown | June 24, 2009 1:58 PM
He is right about me not beating my wife anymore.
Posted by: sotne | June 24, 2009 2:01 PM
my immediate reaction to things of that nature, is 'HOLY CRAPSTICK!'
So...is my god Mr. Hanky, the Christmas Poo?.
Posted by: Brian | June 24, 2009 2:03 PM
I love how he can't pronounce tarot correctly. As Bill Hicks once said, in order to be against something I think you have to be able to pronounce it correctly first.
And for the 1,000,002 time, don't these people who believe in Satan's direct influence on this planet, thick The Prince of Evil could do a bit better than allegedly influence a few records?
Brian
Posted by: Rodger T NZ
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June 24, 2009 2:03 PM
As a carpenter I can assure you that jesusfuckingchrist is the patron saint of chippies.
Posted by: Owlmirror | June 24, 2009 2:04 PM
Robert A Wilson did this for parts of Schrödinger's Cat. Given that it was written after Vidal's book, it was most likely an homage.
Posted by: Newfie | June 24, 2009 2:09 PM
David @79 http://www.sherv.net/flip.html
Posted by: Bueller_007 | June 24, 2009 2:11 PM
Perhaps this silly cunt is unaware of the phrase "holy cow" and its origins.
Posted by: Randomfactor | June 24, 2009 2:11 PM
The other day, cut off in traffic on a freeway, I involuntarily blurted out "JESUS!" My passenger, a born-again type, said "See, you *DO* believe!"
I patiently informed her that, in deference to her deeply-held beliefs, I had deliberately left off the "Motherfucking Christ" part.
Posted by: Greta Christina | June 24, 2009 2:14 PM
This has to be a Poe. This must be a Poe. Sweet Loki and all the gods in Valhalla... please let this be a Poe.
Actually, my favorite part was that he didn't know how to pronounce "Tarot." Dude, it doesn't rhyme with carrot...
Posted by: Becky | June 24, 2009 2:14 PM
I have an 8 year old, so when I smash my thumb, I yell fudge. So fudge is god, I never would have thought god can be so tasty.
Posted by: Geds | June 24, 2009 2:14 PM
Ahh. I was picturing something else. Kind of like what Stephen Baldwin pictures himself as these days.
Yeah. I had a brief attempt to view myself as some sort of cultural subversive. But I think I could never even get the idea in to my head without laughing. There's nothing rebellious about Christianity, no matter how hard they try to convince themselves otherwise.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks to me like #49 is a duplicate of #39 -- except #49 was the one posted first, because #39 has the added-on bit about refreshing....
It is. There were 37 comments when I tried posting the original comment. My original window sat there working, exactly as it always does and I opened a new window so I could check. Generally when I do that my comment has already appeared even if the submission time-out warning is several minutes away.
Nothing happened. So after the warning popped up and there was still nothing I assumed I actually had to re-post. I went back, added my disclaimer, and posted again, then sighed with relief when I saw the modified post pop up at #39. Then I scrolled down and saw my original at #49.
Ahhh, Scienceblogs...
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 2:15 PM
Back at ya Troy
Well there's also this infrastructure that allows people to have, hold and express views no matter how fucking stupid they are. I'm going to assume you have no clue about how many small ass TV channels there are that are available across the country. So your ignorance might be excused if you weren't such a jack ass.
The fact you're using the word "retarded" gives me hint that this little temper tantrum of yours isn't going to end with something containing an intellectually strong point.
Yes I agree that electing GWB was stupid and many of the people that voted for him did so for what I consider stupid fucking reasons. But you being the myopic twit that you appear to be can easily ignore all the multitude of other factors involved and just make big-boy playground proclamations that all of the country is "retarded".
I'm curious where you are from Troy?
Posted by: St. Tabby Lavalamp | June 24, 2009 2:16 PM
The best expletives have hard consonants in them, and even some normally soft consonants can be given an edge if emphasized right.
"Damn" by itself just doesn't have the right kick. "God damn" - with the extra hard consonants - works much better.
"Jesus" by itself is a little soft but you can really put some more effort into that J and those S's. But add "Christ!" afterward and the "Jesus" brings you nicely into that hard consonant punch. Said right, it's more like "Jezuz CHRIST!"
My favourite tends to be that treasure trove of consonants and I do use it quite frequently when I'm pissed off. "Jezuz FUCKin' CHRIST!!!"
The words themselves mean very little. I'm sure if I could get used to shouting "Jaezoz FAKKin' KROST!!!" it would work just as well.
Posted by: Matt H.
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June 24, 2009 2:17 PM
Before we get into a discussion of 'Who's country is best', I'd like to say I am not American and I don't think America is 'retarded'. Many Americans are stupid, but many people in my country are stupid too.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 2:22 PM
By no means was I even trying pull out the "USA is Best" nonsense. But Troy is just being a near-sighted dolt.
Posted by: blf | June 24, 2009 2:25 PM
My suggestion for what to yell the next time you bang the hammer on your finger, stub your toe, and assorted other going-ons, is ScienceBlogs Submission error! It's very profane. Admittedly a bit long, but otherwise an excellence cussphrase.
Posted by: Greta Christina | June 24, 2009 2:25 PM
#13: You might be interested to read the "cussing" chapter of Steven Pinker's "The Stuff of Thought." Definitely shifted my thinking on the subject. According to Pinker, cussing does occupy an unusual space in language (for instance, some people with brain damage who lose their language ability can still cuss). But it's not content-free. In pretty much every language, expletives fall into three categories: religion, sex, or bodily excretion. (If memory serves. I can't look it up at the moment, since I can't find my copy of the book. We really need a new bookshelf...) And Pinker has a whole analysis as to why these topics are the ones that inspire cussing.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 2:27 PM
So please explain why you say we're not allowed to point how this guy is making a moron out of himself, for God, on television?
If Professor Myers' commentary offends you, why do you insist on returning to his blog time and time again like a mealy-mouthed bad penny?
Posted by: Alexandre | June 24, 2009 2:38 PM
Shame on you, PZ...
A perfect set up to say "god is shit" and you go for "sex is god"...
Posted by: MAGonzalez | June 24, 2009 2:39 PM
JESUS CHRIST!!!! Why does he make me watch that?!?!?
Posted by: Lynna | June 24, 2009 2:41 PM
I second the recommendation for Steven Pinker's "The Stuff of Thought." I'll add a link to a relevant video featuring Pinker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BcdY_wSklo
Personally, I like to combine religion and sex for cussing, especially during sex (just in case anyone is conducting a survey of Pharyngulites).
Posted by: ctenotrish | June 24, 2009 2:44 PM
Well, I shout "oh god" when I orgasm, but I still don't believe in gods. It is just what comes out of my mouth after that particular stimulous. Habit, really.
Geds, r.e. "gorram" - too much Firefly, maybe? ;)
Posted by: Lynna | June 24, 2009 2:45 PM
Mormon churches are identified on the exterior walls with lettering that looks like this:
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints
Posted by: BeamStalk | June 24, 2009 2:50 PM
So whenever someone says By Jove or uses the word jovial, then that is proof that Jove aka Jupiter exists.
Also by using the days as Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, that proves Tyr, Wodan, Thor, Frigg or Freyja, and Saturn exist.
I have seen this line of reasoning crop up lately, it is retarded.
Posted by: Cannabinaceae | June 24, 2009 2:53 PM
For me, "shitfuckdamn" must be a (the?) god. The holy trinity? Theoretically, the "damn" part is redundant.
(OK, I'll admit that I'm sometimes redundant by saying "Jesus Fuck Me" from time to time as well, so I guess homosexual zombies are god(s)).
Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space
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June 24, 2009 2:58 PM
Greta Christina says "In pretty much every language, expletives fall into three categories: religion, sex, or bodily excretion."
OK, then how do you classify Sacre Bleu? Profanity in French is very disappointing.
Posted by: ursa major | June 24, 2009 2:59 PM
Oh Great PZed!
I envy the sheltered life you have lived - this sort of drivel is neither novel nor new. What will you discover next?
That NASA has discovered that the solar system is missing an hour? That writing NATAS summons more evil than writing SATAN? That the push for equal rights for women was motivated by a desire to force everyone to share the same unisex lavatories? That peace activists are Satan worshipers? Environmentalism is a plot to force us to worship the (false) Earth Goddess?
You have been so sheltered up there in Minnesota - down here in the Babble Belt we get some serious bat shit crazy fundies.
Posted by: Geds | June 24, 2009 3:02 PM
Geds, r.e. "gorram" - too much Firefly, maybe? ;)
See, that's the weird thing about that. I watched Firefly all the way through once about two years ago. I did it because I was dating a girl who was (is, probably...) a huge Joss Whedon fan and I figured Firefly was the easiest option.
Long story short, I haven't talked to said girl for over a year. About two months ago I think I read something that referred to Firefly and probably contained the word "gorram." About two days later I spontaneously started saying it. I haven't stopped.
Posted by: strangebrew | June 24, 2009 3:05 PM
A truly evangelistic goat interfering... anal sniffing... retarded dickhead...
Less sense then a box of frogs...
These clowns must be desperate...I suppose tripping over their own IQ must be disheartening sooner or later.
Posted by: Reginald Selkirk | June 24, 2009 3:05 PM
Off-topic fun opportunity:
Growing list of scientists who consider young earth creationism (YEC) a fact and evolution as bunk
by Bill Belew.
List includes Dr. Kent Hovind.
Posted by: AdamK | June 24, 2009 3:08 PM
The Who were quite a creative band, and their country is a very nice one indeed, but I don't think I'd go so far as to call it "best."
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 3:10 PM
List also includes Doogie Howser.
Posted by: Matt | June 24, 2009 3:24 PM
Actually, I say "Shit!" when I stub my toe, so what does that mean in this man's incredibly twisted mind? In fact, I've been to other countries with a minority of Christians where there are more culturally relevant expletives.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 3:27 PM
The cute word "retarded" is used to convey the overwhelming demonstration of irrationality and ignorance from top to bottom.
From top, recent examples of major party figures on both sides saying unbelievably stupid nonsense about CO2, about transferring terrorists to regular prisons.
From bottom, just pick up any poll or topic.
USA has the most retarded population of any industrialized nation in the world and it clearly demonstrates it on daily basis.
For fuck sake, just look up cognitive dissonance instead of trying to be a mindless contrarian.
Posted by: Epikt
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June 24, 2009 3:28 PM
Greta Christina
There's a wonderful John Callahan cartoon picturing a row of storefronts. One of them has a sign: "West Side Tourette's Clinic." The store next to it is a pet shop featuring "Parrots 80 percent off."
Posted by: Intelligent Designer | June 24, 2009 3:33 PM
Along a similar line of reasoning, somewhere in the book The Road Less Traveled psychiatrist Scott Peck relates the fact that people call out "Oh God" during sex to a human need for intimacy with God. This makes me wonder what some of you use as a substitute.
Posted by: phantomreader42 | June 24, 2009 3:35 PM
a ray in dilbert space @ #110:
I've heard it's a corruption of "Sacre Deiu", or something like that, maybe a native French speaker would know better.
Posted by: Geds | June 24, 2009 3:37 PM
This makes me wonder what some of you use as a substitute.
Intimacy with the person we're actually having sex with?
Oh, damn. I think I just fed a troll. Bad Geds, bad.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 3:39 PM
My wife's name typically.
Posted by: blf | June 24, 2009 3:42 PM
I thought Morley and Spud trained Mr Big?
Posted by: hje | June 24, 2009 3:45 PM
Evangelists say the damndest things.
Posted by: Celtic_Evolution | June 24, 2009 3:48 PM
Rev BDC:
That's what I use too!
*rimshot*
A-thankyou... a-thankyouverymuch...
Posted by: Krystalline Apostate | June 24, 2009 3:51 PM
Old joke: What's the worst thing about being an atheist?
A. You have no 1 to talk to during sex. (rim shot)
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 3:52 PM
Nothing cute about it.
And others saying things just the opposite. You just have a hard-on for ignorantly spouting shit about a large heterogeneous country.
Is that an argument?
Your ignorant geographical bigotry is cute. Stupid, but cute.
I think maybe you should look up cognitive dissonance as you obviously don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
I don't deny that there are portions, even large portions of the US population that are fucking idiots. But you lazily lumping everyone together as if we all think alike and are happy with the stupidity is one dumb ass way to argue what might be a valid point if taken topic by topic and addressing those actually guilty of the stupidity you claim.
Posted by: Krystalline Apostate | June 24, 2009 4:00 PM
A little Google goes a long way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrebleu "The phrase originated from the swear words "sacré bleu", a Marian oath, referring to the color (i.e., "sacred blue") associated with Mary, mother of Jesus.[1]. Support for this view comes from the fact that the ancient Yezidi religion in Northern Iraq (a spin off from the main Islamic religion which recognises the Virgin Mary)[2] rules that blue clothing may not be worn by its adherents - presumably because it is sacred."Of course, French people don't go around shouting 'Sacre Bleu' any more than Irish folks say "Aye faith 'n begorrah!" or English say 'Blimey!' or Cockneys spout 'strewth'. Those are all stage exclamations, not street ejaculations (yeah, yeah, we're talking verbal, not fluid).
Posted by: gdlchmst | June 24, 2009 4:01 PM
"Oh yeah," does this mean that I have a positive attitude?
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 24, 2009 4:01 PM
jeez, Stimpy. Your critical thinking skills are as blunt as ever, I see.
"people call out "Oh God" during sex" is a "fact" (for some people).
"[due] to a human need for intimacy with God"
is far from a "fact." It's demonstrably wrong, for at least some humans.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 4:02 PM
You strawmaning fucktard, I never said anything less than american population consisting of majority retards, which means they are a critical mass that influences everything, from electing fools into office to daily demonstrating ignorance and stupidity across the board, from mainstream news channels to Oprah show..
Posted by: Erik | June 24, 2009 4:02 PM
Kenny Loggins is not Satan. Satan plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Satan
Posted by: Nick | June 24, 2009 4:04 PM
So are they in favor of taking His name in vain now?
Posted by: King of Zeroes | June 24, 2009 4:07 PM
Intimacy with God you say? I'M GAY FOR YOUR DEITY!
Posted by: gdlchmst | June 24, 2009 4:09 PM
In practically every culture and language, people use expletives similar to "fuck," "shit," etc to convey exclamation. It is funny that we also use "Jesus Christ" to convey the same feeling.
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 4:16 PM
Thanks for putting that immature punk in his place Rev. By the looks of it, everyone else is taking the same tack as I by simply ignoring the little shit.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 4:16 PM
And watching "911" series was like watching a religious show.
Posted by: Chili Pepper | June 24, 2009 4:20 PM
In the French part of Canada, Quebecois swearing centers on religious terms since the Catholic church was so central to the society - blasphemy made for much more effective cuss-words.
Plus, it's hard to beat the cadence and hard consonants of a properly voiced "maudit," "chalice," or "tabarnac."
Posted by: M Murphy | June 24, 2009 4:24 PM
He really looks like Vladimir Putin.
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Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 4:27 PM
http://www.r-word.org/
LOL, this is sooo retarded!
The pinnacle of baseless unreasonable political correctness inanity!
Posted by: Postman | June 24, 2009 4:27 PM
I heard a guy at JFK Airport drop a soft drink and cry, "Thomas H. Cruise".
I guess we'd all better get right with Scientology.
Posted by: Celtic_Evolution | June 24, 2009 4:28 PM
Wow... porn spam in the Pharyngula threads! It's been a while!
Posted by: King of Zeroes | June 24, 2009 4:29 PM
I don't know, I kinda like the guy. He throws up the metal horns and shouts glory and hail to Satan. Our lord and master.
Now personally, when I hit my thumb with a hammer, or get my genitals caught in a zipper, I tend to announce the common phrase "son of a bitch". Apparently, I worship puppies.
As for what I shout during intercourse... hasn't come up yet.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 4:30 PM
They should've been aborted anyway, it can be diagnosed easily with a standard checkup for decades now.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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June 24, 2009 4:32 PM
There must be an awful lot of incest happening as well, because I've heard many people say "motherfucker" when they hit their thumbs with hammers.
Posted by: Doug the Primate | June 24, 2009 4:32 PM
Well, just as a Buddhist never dreams about the Virgin Mary, cuss words are specific to culture, and generally intended to be as offensive as possible. In Quebec, here in Canada, the most common cuss word is not fuck but "tabernacle" (pron. ta ber nak'). Quebec is largely (non-practising) Roman Catholic, but the epithet has a long vintage. In the culture, the tabernacle is not just a church building, nor even the church with congregants and presiding priest inside, nor even the compartments holding the vestments and instruments of service, but the consecrated Host of the living Christ, and Him crucified (!) As such, this cuss word in this culture is an expression of contempt for and rejection of one of its very foundations, and its use a threat to social cohesion, leaving its user liable to social sanction if not ostracism. Yet it is used. There is a folk saying in the Caribbean, Barbados I belive, that counsels it is bad luck to pick a penny from the street (for that would be to profit from another's misfortune). Well, obviously this is honoured more in its breach than observance, or else by now the streets would be paved with copper. Yet I learned it from a Barbadian woman here in Canada, who chastized a mutual friend when she bent to get one. Same with "tabernacle": it is a very serious obscenity, even though used. Indeed, the young Quebecoise who graciously relieved me of my puzzlement was very uncomfortable even discussing why it is so offensive, and could barely bring herself to even mention the word, even though she was obviously aware of its use.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 24, 2009 4:33 PM
Maria; Thanks! I had heard there was porn on the internet, but never could find any. Imagine those "girls" with no clothes on! Woo woo-chicka-bow!
Troy: You are a grade-A asshole, and killfiled.
Posted by: Stu
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June 24, 2009 4:39 PM
Troy: your imminent plonking will be well-deserved. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
Posted by: Eamon Knight | June 24, 2009 4:39 PM
OK, then how do you classify Sacre Bleu? Profanity in French is very disappointing.
I grew up in Anglo Toronto, but moved to bilingual Ottawa as an adult, and acquired a little vocabulary not taught in public school French classes. For some years I was using "tabernac" (a Quebec Catholic swear-word) as my workshop cuss-of-frustration. For some reason, I seem to have since replaced it with "bugger". No concious decision; I think it may have been from reading Pratchett.
Posted by: Patrick | June 24, 2009 4:40 PM
Ah, finally we have something, we can test for scientifically. Please give me a hammer and 1000 Christians to confirm.
Posted by: Cliff Hendroval | June 24, 2009 4:40 PM
A little research yielded this picture of Troy.
Posted by: ctenotrish | June 24, 2009 4:41 PM
Geds, r.e. Firefly and "gorram" - yep, that is how those insidious little phrases get stuck in my head too. For days, months, years, nothing, then BOOM, there it is, stuck!
Posted by: Patrick | June 24, 2009 4:43 PM
Ah, finally we have something, we can test for scientifically. Please give me a hammer and 1000 Christians to confirm.
Posted by: Patrick | June 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Ah, finally we have something, we can test for scientifically. Please give me a hammer and 1000 Christians to confirm.
Posted by: BennyP | June 24, 2009 4:46 PM
I am not in the habit of hitting christians with a hammer- but it sounds like a great experiment!
Posted by: saed | June 24, 2009 4:46 PM
Jesus H Key-rice-d, I wish the'd keep that god shit to themselves.
Praise Jesus H Key-rice-t:)
Posted by: 386sx | June 24, 2009 4:47 PM
Oh, another self-righteous family values fundamentalist politician makes headlines on the drudgereport again. *yawn*
Posted by: DJ | June 24, 2009 4:48 PM
Wow, this new visitor Troy is getting less and less coherent every post.
Funny video! Made me laugh.
Posted by: Knockgoats | June 24, 2009 4:49 PM
The other day, cut off in traffic on a freeway, I involuntarily blurted out "JESUS!" My passenger, a born-again type, said "See, you *DO* believe!"
I patiently informed her that, in deference to her deeply-held beliefs, I had deliberately left off the "Motherfucking Christ" part. - Randomfactor
But why? After all, Christians believe Jesus was actually his own father, who got his mother pregnant, so "Jesus Motherfucking Christ" is simply a brief statement of the doctrine of the Incarnation.
Posted by: rufus | June 24, 2009 4:54 PM
Wow, this guy makes Ray Comfort look smart.
R.
Posted by: Alex | June 24, 2009 4:54 PM
Reminds me of a thing I read back in college in Spanish Literature from a Hell of a Long Time Ago class. One was a summary of a trial or whatnot during inquisitorial times, and the damning evidence for one individual was the fact that when his horse stepped into a hole or what-have-you, instead of yelling out the local equivalent of "Jesus Christ!", he swore like a Jewish person would.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 4:55 PM
um humm
#17
#80
#118
yep
Posted by: King of Zeroes | June 24, 2009 4:55 PM
Hittin Christians with hammers you say? By the hammer of Thor, I'LL DO IT!
Just give me a few minutes to braid my hair and don my bearskin rug.
BLOOD FOR ODIN!
Posted by: Dianne | June 24, 2009 4:57 PM
I occasionally say "Zarquon" (as in the prophet in the Hitchhiker's Guide series) when upset or annoyed*. Does that mean that the great prophet Zarquon is real after all and Douglas Adams' work is a religious manuscript?
*And if that's not enough, I'd like to point out that my partner once reproved me for saying "Zarquon" when I was only mildly annoyed, thus demonstrating that taking Zarquon's name in vain upsets people, just as yelling "Jesus" when annoyed upsets fundamentalist Christians.
Posted by: Nanu Nanu | June 24, 2009 5:00 PM
I've taken to saying "Athe damn it"
Posted by: E.V. | June 24, 2009 5:02 PM
Posted by: gilnetter | June 24, 2009 5:07 PM
HI Everyone. I've been here for a while and really enjoy the blog. Thanks PZ. I was reading the thread about expletives. Had a few odd thoughts. My own favorites expression is “Holy Shit!”. Not that I’ve ever considered shit to be holy. Well my mind went wandering off in some weird directions as it often does. I do a compost heap. I put all the corn husks, cobs, potato peels, grapefruit rinds, etc into it. I also, when I can find it, toss some cow, horse or chicken shit into the mix. You turn it over for a few months and you have soil. It’s magical. Well this spring my wife told me she needed some soil to do some planting. Reluctantly, I dragged my shit hole down back, got out the sieve and started shaking out the compost. Got a really good harvest. A fifty gallon drum and an industrial wheel barrow full. Nice looking shit too. So while I was sifting some of this shit though my hand and thinking how good it looked, it occurred to me that all of this was recycled shit. In fact all of it had been recycled many times. Back to the time of dinosaur shit and even earlier maybe. I had a moment of epiphany. I am shit, I was born in shit, have been in shit all my life and will die in shit. If god gives us life, then shit is god.....or god is shit....or... well, as George Carlin said, “You’ll smoke a turd in purgatory for this one, me boy.”
Posted by: EvilEvolutionist | June 24, 2009 5:07 PM
New poll. Should the government be in the business of recognizing the marriages of Republican politicians?
Vote!
Evil(tm) Evolutionist
Posted by: EvilEvolutionist | June 24, 2009 5:09 PM
New poll. Should the government be in the business of recognizing the marriages of Republican politicians?
Vote!
Evil(tm) Evolutionist
Posted by: littlejohn | June 24, 2009 5:10 PM
Did someone up there call the Rev. BDC "dumb?"
Jesus fucking christ, his screen name is big DUMB chimp. Do you think you're insulting him?
As expletives go, I kind of like cousinavi's "Jumped up Jesus on skis." A nice visual, I guess.
Posted by: Matt M | June 24, 2009 5:15 PM
When I heard that the SC Govenor Sanford had been in Argentina with his mistress, I was heard to mutter, "Oh, my God!"
However, when I was sliding towards an accident on the rain slick street recently, I was saying, "Oh shit! Oh shit!"
And when I stubbed my toe it was, "Fuck!"
Variety is the spice of life.
Posted by: Eidolon
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June 24, 2009 5:17 PM
One of the many benefits of this site is the manner in which it enriches vocabulary. Once, it was "Jesus H. Christ" and "the religious". Now I've been able to add "godbots" and my current favorite, "Christ on a stick" among many others.
As for the video, the only disturbing part is the image in my mind's eye of thousands of Americans - who can and often do vote - nodding along in agreement with this wackaloon. Abso-fuckin-lutely depressing.
Posted by: Spanning D. Globe | June 24, 2009 5:17 PM
I kind of liked 'Jesus Titty-fuckin' Christ' from
Team America. And Rev. BDC--at least Troy
didn't call you a rasherist.
Posted by: Intelligent Designer | June 24, 2009 5:19 PM
Sven @131
Sven isn't getting any.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 5:21 PM
Nice. I saw that in an earlier thread and failed to comment on it.
Very nice.
Posted by: Larry | June 24, 2009 5:22 PM
I don't know for certain where Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel (sic) fits into this, but I read that his fav word in every day use is "fuck" and every derivative known to mankind. Not sure if true or not. Apologies if this was mentioned above.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 5:25 PM
Randy, please refrain from attempts at humor.
Posted by: Randomfactor | June 24, 2009 5:26 PM
Cute story time:
Years ago I was driving along with Younger Daughter in the child seat in back, when a (then maybe) three-year-old voice clearly called out "JESUS CHRIST!"
Huh?
She was pointing out the window at a building, saying "that says "Church of JESUS CHRIST!" (Apparently wife had taught her the meaning of the words on that mysterious building down the street from us.)
Shook me up, though...
Posted by: Caine | June 24, 2009 5:33 PM
Hmmmmm. I'm prone to using "Jesus fuck!" Or "Jesus fuck all!" in certain situations, such as dropping a brick on my foot, which I did today.
Posted by: Stu
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June 24, 2009 5:39 PM
Now now Randy, not all of use have the need for Magic Wands. Let alone the need to tell the world about it.
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 5:40 PM
What's with the porn spam's lack of grammar and proper spelling?
Yes, that is the most annoying thing about it to me.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 5:42 PM
I'm sure the millions of parents of "retarded" children appreciate how difficult it is for someone of your limited intellect to remove a single word from your vocabulary. Even though doing so could avoid unnecessarily offending them or their children or accidentally diminishing the struggles they have to deal with daily just living life. I mean you probably are right, being sympathetic to a request to remove one word from your normal vocabulary probably is a tough task considering there really aren't any synonyms for the meaning you are trying to convey.
There's that sympathy I was looking for.
You're a good man and after all, brains aren't everything.
Posted by: JJR | June 24, 2009 5:48 PM
"Along a similar line of reasoning, somewhere in the book The Road Less Traveled psychiatrist Scott Peck relates the fact that people call out "Oh God" during sex to a human need for intimacy with God."
Ugh, M. Scott Peck...the guy died in 2005, and I'm sorry, but good riddance. He started as an okay pop psychology self-help author and then went Christian and eventually in 2005 published a book on exorcism and demons...truly off the fracking deep end...! I don't remember that particular passage from _The Road Less Traveled_ (which in the main I remember I kind of liked), but if so, what a crock; it foreshadows his impending mental degradation...He started to go downhill with _People of the Lie_, when he started seeing "evil" everywhere; he raised a few interesting points but such unnecessary hyperbole! He then went and ironically embraced the biggest lie/fraud of all, i.e. the Christian religion...with predictable results on his psyche and critical faculties.
It's gratifying to read all the one star reviews on Amazon of his last few truly awful books.
"This makes me wonder what some of you use as a substitute."
Either my partner's name or just a lot of incoherent moans...usually the later; sometimes a breathless "I love you", but even with a steady, monogamous partner that's a little embarrassing to let slip out.
In other contexts, I do still say 'Goddamn', though I do sometimes say "For Fuck's Sake" in place of "For God's Sake". Still sometimes known to say 'Jesus!' or "Jesus H. Fucking Christ" on rare occasions. It's an artifact/anachronism of been seeped in a dominantly Xtian culture.
A Xtian friend of mine used to (probably still does) exclaim "GOD bless America..."; to which I used to say "oh yeah, you're really foolin' him there..."
Posted by: Kristine | June 24, 2009 5:50 PM
Well, I have the perfect rejoinder: "Holy crap."
Now, why would anyone say that if it wasn't true? ;-)
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 5:55 PM
Rev. BigDumbChimp is being very infantile, retards are retards. I cringe when I see "people" like that, when they could've been easily aborted, that's why abortion exists in the first place, for fuck sake.
Instead of pandering to them, there should be extra taxes on their parents for such stupidity.
Posted by: Somnolent Aphid | June 24, 2009 5:56 PM
I had a high school teacher, tried to use the same logic on me. He also pointed out that since I was saying the entire pledge of allegiance I must therefore be a believer. His "logic" was lost on me.
Posted by: Snarla | June 24, 2009 5:58 PM
My ex-husband believed this argument, too.
Posted by: dr benway | June 24, 2009 6:06 PM
Kenny Loggins had one of the best live bands around at that time (mainly culled from the Loggins and Messina band) so maybe he was satan for a few years, but he gave up the goat as soon as he dropped "Footloose."
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 6:10 PM
Projection, thy name is Troy
Brilliant point. You're going up on the great argument scale every post.
The scare quotes around people, such a nice touch.
Harry Blackmun would like to have a word with you in the other room.
Can we tax you for your stupidity? I'm betting we could put that fortune to good use.
Posted by: ddr
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June 24, 2009 6:10 PM
Swear words are all about the emotional content behind them.
Back when I was a rookie cop, only out of the academy a few days, one of the senior officers got a talking to by the sergeant. It seems he had called a citizen an asshole. The sergeant said: (this should be read if Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh is saying it) You shouldn’t call citizens assholes. It just causes me to do paper work. Yes, some of them are assholes. But don’t say that to them. I don’t like doing paperwork.”
Not wanting to get into trouble, I decided that I would call assholes something totally harmless, it would just mean asshole to me. So when people stated pissing me off, I would call them Burt. As in “listen Burt, let me tell you how things are going to go.” This had 2 advantages. One, it really confused the person I was talking to. Two, after a while my co-workers picked up on the fact that when I called someone Burt, I was getting ready to arrest them and they should get ready in case we ended up having to fight them.
So I got to call people asshole all the time, it was just that they never knew it and never had any reason to complain about it.
Posted by: Phodopus
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June 24, 2009 6:13 PM
Being from a country where religion is actually taught in school, I suffered through quite some amount of this kind of 'logic'. However, most of these religion teachers were convinced that 'everybody has to believe in something' and that there were no true atheists anyhow, so this made any sophisticated hammer-on-finger arguments obsolete from the start. Oh, btw, my first post, hello everyone.
Posted by: Phodopus
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June 24, 2009 6:16 PM
Being from a country where religion is actually taught in school, I suffered through quite some amount of this kind of 'logic'. However, most of these religion teachers were convinced that 'everybody has to believe in something' and there were no true atheists anyhow, so this made any sophisticated hammer-on-finger arguments obsolete from the start. Oh, btw, my first post, hello everyone.
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 6:19 PM
Rev. BigDumbChimp is being very infantile, retards are retards.
Compassion is infantile? No baby I know seems to give a damn about much more than a tit and a nap. And you need a semicolon there, not a comma. Even then, it wouldn't be quite correct.
I cringe when I see "people" like that, when they could've been easily aborted, that's why abortion exists in the first place, for fuck sake.
That sentence is just a nightmare of third grade grammar. The porn spam got under my skin.
Instead of pandering to them, there should be extra taxes on their parents for such stupidity.
How much should we tax trolls for their stupidity?
Posted by: E.V. | June 24, 2009 6:22 PM
Did anyone notice the Evangelist's nose was as crooked as his tie?
Posted by: Stu
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June 24, 2009 6:24 PM
Welcome, and may you never stutter again!
Posted by: Diego | June 24, 2009 6:24 PM
Years ago, when he worked in a tuxedo shop, my brother encountered someone who must have been one of this guy's acolytes. The individual immediately tried to engage my brother in a theological Q&A which my little brother deflected as politely as he could (normally he is much more brusque but he has to be polite in his salesman role). This person kept going for some time and then produced his coup de grace:
Say you drive your car into one of them canals around here. What would you say? Would you call out 'Oh Buddha', or would you say 'Jesus Christ'? Wouldn't you have to say, 'Help me, Jesus?'. At this point he felt that he could safely tell the guy to get lost without crossing the line for a retail-job slave.
Posted by: Phodopus
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June 24, 2009 6:24 PM
And there I go with a duplicate, sorry I'll figure it out.
All these anecdotes about using substitution codes for curse words really illustrate the odd fact that some pious people actually attach (frivolous/evil/vulgar/blasphemous) meaning to words themselves as if there were any reality to them beyond the consensus about what they mean. Of course, calling someone an asshole while on duty is a different matter...
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 6:28 PM
Damnit! The Rev. is beating me to the punch!
It's been a long, hot day. I just wanted an easy target to fuck with.
I'll just have to console myself with cussing.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 6:31 PM
Why did you stop making any coherent arguments, are you even aware of that?
Posted by: JHS | June 24, 2009 6:35 PM
What can I say. He's right. We should all bow down to whatever we shout out when we stub a toe.
In that spirit, allow me to prostrate myself before the God of Fuck.
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 6:42 PM
Troy, I'll throw you a bone because I think you're young.
He's just fuckin' with you now that you've proven your trolly nature. There's no point to arguing with someone who has decided they won't be wrong. The only recourse is to snicker at your weak attempts to rattle people.
You did laugh at the video, correct? Take a step back and think about why that video is funny.
Posted by: Stu
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June 24, 2009 6:43 PM
Pro-tip: when attacking someone's coherence, use full and correct sentences.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 6:46 PM
I made my arguments. The rest is just toying with you and your public display of stupidity.
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 6:47 PM
"...will not be wrong." Open mouth, insert grammatically corrected foot.
Posted by: Dixie | June 24, 2009 6:54 PM
Alighting first from a school bus to monitor the offloading 8th graders after a field trip, I caught my heel on the bottom step.
I flew horizontally out of the door, landing prone on the sidewalk. My mind worked fast enough to clamp down on the expletives springing to mind, but I had to say something, you know what I mean?
So I said "Holy. Mary. Mother. of. God."
The kid standing on the bottom bus step right behind me yelled out, "She's dying! She's dying! I heard her praying!"
I think I might have been better off with the expletives.
Posted by: Tequila Mockingbird | June 24, 2009 6:54 PM
I'm a bit late to the party and haven't had a chance to read all the comments (although #8 had me ROTF), but did anyone else notice that this kook bears a striking resemblence to Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Lazy | June 24, 2009 6:55 PM
Wait...that sentence is just fine like it is. I got a buddy waiting for me to get off the 'puter so he's screwin' with my head. Not that there is any point in telling you all that. Okay, time to sign out apparently.
Posted by: Owlmirror | June 24, 2009 7:01 PM
There was an old series on Casanova on PBS a while back, and one of the things that stuck with me was a segment where he was on trial, where one of the charges was atheism (and/or Satanism; I forget details) -- because when he had bad luck at gambling, rather than cursing God like all the other losers, he would curse the Devil.
Or something like that.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 7:02 PM
You're new here, aren't you Lazy? Troy proved his troll-nature with his very first post here over 2 months ago.Posted by: Crux Australis | June 24, 2009 7:11 PM
Hmmm...so because I'm not a christian, I hit my wife? I get drunk and 'slap my kids around'? Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. One more reason to be an atheist. As if I needed another one.
Posted by: Randomfactor | June 24, 2009 7:14 PM
Asked a Jewish friend of mine (she's not observant; loves bacon for one thing) what Her Kind used instead of "Jesus Christ" when they dropped the brisket on the kitchen floor.
Turns out she uses just that. (Nice Jewish boy and all...)
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 7:15 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmmm brisket
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 7:17 PM
Unfortunately, many Christians, (not all of them, mind you) tend to use the term "atheist" as a synonym for "non-Christian," "pagan," "devil worshiper" and or "non-human monster"Posted by: Holydust | June 24, 2009 7:18 PM
I must worship bugs, then, because I usually end up saying "Jiminy Crickets" when something surprising happens. It's the dorkiest thing ever, but I do say it (thanks, Dorothy), so that's it.
I worship bugs.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 7:19 PM
I believe the correct christian spelling is "ahtiest"
Now where did Troy run off to?
Posted by: littlejohn | June 24, 2009 7:24 PM
Not to break up the love-fest between the Rev. and Troy, but I trust PZ is going to start a new thread on the Repub hypocrites who can't keep their pants on. Gov. Sanford, center stage. These are invariably the same morons who voted for Clinton's impeachment because he lied about getting to third base. Don't disappoint us, PZ.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 7:29 PM
He is cute isn't he?
I'm hoping for that as well. I have some fantastic jokes waiting.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 7:31 PM
Gesundheit. Either biding his time to return and post some more of his inane vitriol, or ran away to wait for another thread to post more of his inane vitriol.Or, he might be going back over to Panda's Thumb in order to rant and rave and froth, and otherwise make a deranged ass out of himself as usual about how he wants to go out and kick random scientists in the balls because it took them 30 years before there was enough evidence gathered for the existence of the Ice Age lake, Lake Missoula, rather than having them bow down and worship the guy who first proposed the existence of Lake Missoula in the first place.
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 7:34 PM
These people keep saying 'Buddha is not god!', as if people think he is. Buddhists do NOT think Buddha was a god!
Not that there aren't gods in the Buddhist 'pantheon' (depending on which brand of Buddhism you prefer), but the term 'buddha' refers to a person who has achieved enlightenment-- which is why there's THE Buddha and many, many, many lesser buddhas (buddha? Buddai?). And since a dirty, filty, baby-eating, cussing atheist knows this, one would assume that someone with some religious training would, too.
But, like always, I give too many people waaaaay too much credit.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 7:37 PM
OurDeadSelves, using "baby-eating" together with "atheist" is very redundant, even more redundant than "canine Pomeranian," or "emerald-green emerald," and almost as redundant as "Phyllis Diller, Queen of the Undead"
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 7:37 PM
Wow.
I'm, uh... sorry I missed all that.
Posted by: Angel Kaida | June 24, 2009 7:41 PM
I went through a brief stint of using "expletive!" as my expletive of choice. I liked that, but "JESUS FUCK FUCKING SHIT" is what comes out most of the time now.
Posted by: 386sx | June 24, 2009 7:43 PM
What would people diss Phyllis Diller for?
Posted by: Jyotsana | June 24, 2009 7:43 PM
So does that mean that in my case god would be duck sex because my favorite expletive is "fuck a duck" (which I had to shorten from the too cumbersome yet far more amusing "fuck a duck 'til it barks like a dog")? I'm not sure how I feel about that...
Posted by: 386sx | June 24, 2009 7:45 PM
Next they'll be going after Bob Hope. Get a grip, people.
Posted by: Adrienne | June 24, 2009 7:45 PM
Ha, he said "tarot" rhymes with "carrot".
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 7:45 PM
Much in the same way I'm sorry I've never had the experience of having all my cloths eaten off by a plague of screaming locust.
Posted by: Ryan Egesdahl
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June 24, 2009 7:48 PM
What does this mean for people who cry out "Oh, God!" *during* sex? Or are they just invoking Priapus or Eros here?
Well, I don't use the rude term for sex much - my word of choice would seem to suggest that, for me, God is a pile of feces.
Which is about right.
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | June 24, 2009 7:48 PM
Jesus in jogging shorts Troy, you are such a douche. No matter what you do you're not going to get the BDC ticked. He knows you, he can read you, and you know nothing about him. He accepts the fact he's fumble fingered and a tad absent minded, so that avenue of insult is not available to you. Being a grownup eliminates other paths of invective where he's concerned.
Cut your losses and return to the weak and heatless verbal animosity of alt.flame on Usenet. Maybe your decisive and derisive brand of insult can help that small talent crew ignite that pilot light and keep it lit for once.
Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble | June 24, 2009 7:50 PM
Dear Brother Troy,
Thank you for your innovative solution to the problem of the world's burgeoning population. I was talking to God about your idea in my daily devotions, and the Big Guy said he was mightily impressed by it. His exact words were: "Man, that Troy's got some stones to suggest "aborting retards" when it would put paid to pretty well his whole extended family. I like that sort of chutzpah in someone begging for a smite."
I pointed out to the Immortal One that the world was getting pretty crowded, and God said that a better plan than "aborting the retards" would be to waste all the people who "cringe when they see 'people' like that". "Just think!" said God, "what an underpopulated, unpolluted and peaceful place the world would be if I just wiped out everyone who hated someone else simply because they were born and raised different. I could put paid to homophobes, religious fundamentalists and racists in one fell swoop." So there you have it Troy, whichever way you swing, as a probable "retard" or as a self-proclaimed "retard" hater, God's got your number.
In my daily devotions, I also prayed to Jesus on the matter of our brave preacher whose razorlogic sliced to the heart of our penchant for using the name of "Jesus" as a curse word.
"Jesus," I said, "Does it bother you when a man who catches his penis in his zipper shrieks: "Jesus-fucking-cunt-sucking-Christ-in-a-puddle-of-shit that hurt"?
Jesus said he wasn't particularly bothered, because he secretly enjoyed using curse words himself. I was amazed.
"How do you curse if you can't say 'Jesus Christ!'", I asked my Savior.
"You have to be creative, Smoggy," he told me. "I could say things like 'Awww piss off you fucking-cocksucking-Dawkinshit' or "Go molest a gopher you Hitchen-sucking-Harrisanus", but that would be crass." I prefer more creative combinations, usually involving my mother, who is a rather dominating women and profoundly irritating.'
"Dare I ask, Lord, for an example?" I prayed humbly.
"Bless, you Smoggy, you silly boy. You know that if you ask you will receive," replied Jesus. "At the moment when I'm really pissed at how stupid my followers are making me look on Pharyngula, I like say: "Oh go tongue my Holy Mother's holes you pathetic little knobmasher. Your nauseating prayers are jammed so far up my pooper they're puncturing my brain. I'd rather spend another week on the cross with a spear where the sun don't shine than have to witness gristle grippers like you manipulating their meatsticks in public."
"Amen,' Lord, I said humbly, impressed by a savior whose invective outdid mine by a number of orders of magnitude.
Posted by: Anon | June 24, 2009 7:51 PM
An atheist woman I know
Had eight orgasms, right in a row
And although it seems odd
She did not scream "oh, god!"
But "oh! oh! oh! oh! oh! oh! oh! oh!"
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 7:51 PM
Cooking and beauty tips.Posted by: 386sx | June 24, 2009 7:54 PM
Sam Harris has gone completely off his rocker...
http://www.reasonproject.org/archive/item/what_should_science_dosam_harris_v_philip_ball/
Posted by: 386sx | June 24, 2009 7:56 PM
I didn't mean dissertation!!
Posted by: Ryan Egesdahl
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June 24, 2009 7:56 PM
Shame on me for not noticing before...
But does this mean that "fuck" and "shit" are divine tetragrammations? Let's get a Rabbi in here!
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 8:03 PM
OurDeadSelves, using "baby-eating" together with "atheist" is very redundant...
I know, I know. I was using it for... (dramatic pause)... DRAMATIC EFFECT!
...retards are retards. I cringe when I see "people" like that, when they could've been easily aborted, that's why abortion exists in the first place...
Um, wow. A woman's right to choose exists so if she chooses to raise a disabled child, all the more power to her. You are one seriously fucked-up, compassionless individual.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 8:09 PM
Don't forget immensely stupid
Posted by: Rey Fox | June 24, 2009 8:20 PM
"I know that because George Bush was elected twice, even though it was obvious before he was elected the first time that he was blatantly stupid and ignorant."
Actually, he wasn't elected the first time, and he likely wasn't elected the second time either.
Posted by: maddogdelta | June 24, 2009 8:28 PM
I think my IQ dropped 10 points after watching that...The guy is a black hole of stupid.
Posted by: maddogdelta | June 24, 2009 8:45 PM
@smoggy #232
Win...pure win.
Posted by: Dan J
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June 24, 2009 8:46 PM
I'm having trouble deciding if some of the comments are referring to the Right Reverend Rimjob in the video, or referring to Troy.I tend to exclaim "Fuck!" a lot, particularly when playing certain video games. Sometimes it leads up to "Jesus Fucking Christ!"
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 8:48 PM
I just laugh at user "Lazy", always trying to correct non-existent grammatical errors and always hinting at correction but never actually doing it.
How fucking embarrassing and annoying, what a retard!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 8:50 PM
Look who is back. Captain Dumb Ass.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 8:52 PM
Reverend, that is a horrible slur to compare mute donkeys with Troy.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 8:55 PM
My apologies to all non verbal Equus africanus asinus.
That was very insensitive of me.
Posted by: maddogdelta | June 24, 2009 8:57 PM
@danJ #243
sorry about the ambiguity. It was the video of Rt. Rev. goatfucker that pulled my IQ down. I had to watch PZ interview Dawkins to bring it back up...
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 8:59 PM
Rev. BigDumbChimp, what exactly have you demonstrated to everyone here?
That it is OK to deliberately miss out the long-awaited advantages of technology that enables women to not give birth to retards?
That USA does not have a critical mass of population that makes the USA retarded in all societal issues and rankings that measure a society?(I didn't even mention the fact that USA is now leading in teen pregnancy of all industrilized nations)
You clearly failed at both, so I was wondering why exactly are you calling me stupid?
You are just a fucktard, playing with word salads in an insulated online community that thinks you are funny. Unfortunately for you, you have no substance.
Posted by: Ryan Egesdahl
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June 24, 2009 9:00 PM
@Troy: It's not the use of the word "retarded" that is offensive - it's the misuse of the word and your subsequent attempt to redefine it that is. The fact that you don't understand this fact puts you under your own definition.
Oh, and I don't appreciate being lumped in with the ninnies who get their own TV shows to spout idiocy. I only voted for Bush once, and I only missed doing so again by being too lazy to do so. Back then, I was a Bible-beating Republican. I have since become a non-Republican and atheist as well. You clearly do not get the fact that you have impugned the character of people you do not know, and you refuse to recognize that fact when clearly shown that you have done so. Again, you fall under your own definition.
Get a life and go away already.
@ Rev. BDC: Fun as it is to watch, you are feeding the troll. Please let him demonstrate his myopic idiocy on his own, if you don't mind.
Posted by: Gruesome Rob | June 24, 2009 9:00 PM
Considering their icons have been reduced to appearing in water stains and grilled cheese sandwiches, that's pretty damn powerful (pun intended)
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | June 24, 2009 9:03 PM
I prefer 'Christ on a fucking crutch' to express surprise and 'fucking piece of shit' for annoyance. So, in a sentence, I might say 'Christ on a crutch that Troy is stupid; what fucking piece of shit.'
Posted by: Sameer | June 24, 2009 9:07 PM
Jesus was a carpenter. I wonder what he used to yell when he whacked his finger with a hammer. Holy f***ing Moses!
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 9:11 PM
That it is OK to deliberately miss out the long-awaited advantages of technology that enables women to not give birth to retards?
That is not the point! THAT IS NOT THE POINT! No feminist sat down one day and said, 'That's it! Abortion! That's how we can get rid of all of those retards clogging up our society!' Roe v. Wade boiled down to a woman's right to (medical) privacy, thus granting her the right to choose. She can CHOOSE to keep or abort a fetus (w/in the first trimester) no matter what's going on with the fetus. You sir are advocating (a more fucked-up version of) eugenics, which went out of style quite a while ago.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 9:22 PM
That reminds me, back over at the Panda's Thumb, on the thread about Darwinius, Troy claimed that the media coverage of Darwinius was actually a part of an evil racist plot by Rupert Murdoch to equate black people with monkeys.Seriously. If you don't believe me, here
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 9:25 PM
Unbelievable how dumb you are:
1.Retards are damaged, unproductive units of society.
2.For decades basic checkups can determine if a woman will give birth to a retard, and with almost no risk to herself she can abort such defective redundant creature.
3.The only reason why she wouldn't do so is because of irrational culture of enabling, it is premade by previously existing retards.
4.Previously existing retards(their enforced value) generate cognitive dissonance that makes irrational claims of putting basic conclusion(beneficial to everyone) into nonsensical eugenics context and labeling.
And why the fuck are you mentioning abortion rights in this context is beyond me...
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 9:26 PM
Me? Well I've shown that you are an inconsiderate asshole who likes to ignorantly make proclamations about large heterogeneous populations and then deny that he's done such a thing. I've shown you to be a bigot... actually you did that yourself. I've shown that you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer... ooops again that was you. I've shown that you don't think that people with developmental disabilities are people... oh shit, that's you showing that again.
Assuming you get to make that choice for everyone. Perhaps China is your role model on such things? So, no I didn't show that. Abortion is a choice not a requirement.
Well I haven't shown it per se, but I've refuted your assertion that it is fact. Fuckhead. Mainly because your statement is meaningless. You first need to define what "makes the USA retarded in all societal issues" means.
The one statistic of teenage pregnancies is an issue. I don't deny that. But that's one statistic.
Again I ask, where are you from?
I've failed at nothing here beyond not feeding the idiotic troll. And I call you stupid because you have demonstrated your stupidity in this thread and nearly every other one you've made an appearance. Dumb ass.
Word salads? Did you grab that little ditty somewhere? Show me a word salad that I've served up here? Were there croutons? And I'm not sure anyone thinks I'm funny here, nor do I care.
This place is far from insulated. Dumb fucks like you are let in to freely shit all over the place as you've clearly demonstrated.
Oh I have substance. I've wiped the floor with you this whole thread without having to expend even a small amount of substance. It doesn't take much to expose you for the raving moron you are.
idiot.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 9:28 PM
And the Troy you are talking about is a completely different Troy, I only started posting last or this week.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 9:28 PM
Because what you're advocating, by suggesting that women be free to get rid of "potential retards" is to use abortion as a means of eugenics.Posted by: Ryan Egesdahl
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June 24, 2009 9:30 PM
@Smoggy #232: Bwahahahaha! Hahahahahahah!
*wheeze*
Posted by: Stanton
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June 24, 2009 9:32 PM
Then why do you sound exactly like him, right down to the nonsensical froth and fury?Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 9:38 PM
Um humm. Anyone want to take a vote?
By that logic should we kill the "retards"? What about people who get injured? Quadriplegics? Brain Damage? Amputees?
Again, who is the dumb ass?
So do you get to determine which babies a family gets to choose to keep? What level of developmental issues is the cut off?
So you now can read the minds of everyone.
Pre-made by previously existing "retards"? What the fuck does that even mean. Idiot.
You know that word salad you were looking for, well there it is. Idiot. Quit while you are ahead.
Because you are making a point of it by claiming people should have to abort children if they are shown to have developmental issues.
You really are a dolt.
Where are you from again?
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 9:41 PM
Thank you, Stanton! I was going to say something much less succinct, but to the same point.
Unbelievable how dumb you are...
Ah yes, call me dumb because your only arguments show you to be a totally immoral advocate of eugenics. You know what 'eugenics' means, right? Or do I have to include a link for you?
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 9:42 PM
Rev. BigDumbChimp, your demonstration of me demonstrating my stupidity is entirely imaginary.
But I already noticed it on this blog, you people whine a LOT about everyone's idiocy and stupidity but very rarely do you back it up with substantive arguments.
Posted by: Dan J
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June 24, 2009 9:44 PM
Rev. BDC said:
Oops! Too late for that, I think. Our little-bitty Trojan Troll started out behind.Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 9:45 PM
Um. No. Your demonstration of your own stupidity is entirely reality. And I've exposed you in every single response I've posted here.
You sir, are an idiot.
Projection Troy. Projection.
Posted by: recovering catholic | June 24, 2009 9:53 PM
Haven't run across anybody here before whom I've considered truly scary, but Troy is one person who terrifies me. His insane blathering is what you'd expect from someone who'd enter a school and start shooting.
Posted by: Grumpy | June 24, 2009 9:53 PM
I (very briefly) studied Danish a few years ago - apparently their favourite swear phrase is something like 'Ver Satan'. Maybe the little mermaid is the antichrist.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 9:56 PM
good point.
Troy, you are exposed. You are a raging imbecile.
With arguments like "a retard is a retard" you need to pack it in.
In post #164 I showed you to not only be an idiot but a liar. I then followed it up with other posts exposing you for similar dimwitted proclamations and other gaffes.
You're an idiot. Accept it and hopefully you'll be at peace.
Please, do yourself a favor and fuck right off.
Now my wife is home so I'm going to go spend some time with her. I suggest you go kill bugs, pick your nose or whatever it is you do to pass the time.
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 9:57 PM
Another thought, Troy. Not only are you arguing in favor of aborting 'undesirable' fetuses, but you are also advocating forcing a woman endure an unnecessary medical procedure against her will.
So, you're a complete fucking misogynist, too. Way to get the hat-trick.
Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble | June 24, 2009 10:01 PM
Dear Brother OtherTroy,
Good on you for taking over from the really stupid Troy that used to post here. You have upped the ante, my friend, and can deservedly wear your "Really Really Stupid Troy" badge with pride. When Mama and Papa Shitforbrains named you after that famous mythological city, they certainly knew what they were about. You couldn't recognise a wooden horse full of good advice if it was shoved up your over-sized butt hole. You certainly seem like something that has been sacked, pillaged and buried for centuries, only to emerge in the present with a head full of bronze age shit.
God says not to worry. He's got a plan for your life. This may or may not be a good thing, as he said it in the same tone of voice he uses when he's about to fuck up poor countries.
Yours in hope of appropriate judgment
Smoggy
Posted by: SquidBrandon
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June 24, 2009 10:02 PM
Troy shat:
Jesus-Shitmunching-Christ!!
Here lies my beloved Irony Meter. May she rest in peace.
Posted by: Ebo Tebo | June 24, 2009 10:03 PM
My favorite?? Mother of Gawd!!
Posted by: Crudely Wrott | June 24, 2009 10:05 PM
Humph!
Sumbitch.
Posted by: littlejohn | June 24, 2009 10:07 PM
Using Troy's own arguments, shouldn't it follow that his mother should have aborted him?
Anyway, PZ can abort his presence here. This thread has continued too long anyway.
I wanna make fun of Gov. Sanford and his Argentinian girlfriend.
Please, PZ? Besides, it's almost time (in the eastern zone) for Reno 911.
Isn't it time for a drink our whatever your chemical of choice is?
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 10:08 PM
I see now why you make imaginary ownages of me. You mistook me with a previous Troy which, I guess, made some dumb statements.
I clearly haven't made any such statements and you can see how blatantly dishonest Rev. BigDumbChimp is when responding to my 4. point.
Also he keeps making logical fallacies, his response to my 1. and 2. points were especially dumb slope-sliding fallacies.
He just keeps making these claims of superiority yet he continually fails...I guess he thinks repetition will make some sort of impact.
Posted by: Krystalline Apostate | June 24, 2009 10:10 PM
Stanton @ 255:
Actually, it was here, & wow - paranoid AND stupid. What a bad combo.
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 10:18 PM
Btw, the only posts I made before are how there are 2 types of gays:
1.normal gays, you can't tell if they are gay unless they tell you(I'm that kind of gay)
2.faggy feminine gays, trans-whatever freaks and so on
Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble | June 24, 2009 10:22 PM
Dear Troy,
Thank you for your statement: "I see now why you make imaginary ownages of me. You mistook me with a previous Troy which, I guess, made some dumb statements."
While I don't have a clue what you actually said, it sounded sincere. What are "ownages"? Are they animal, mineral or vegetable? Would you be happier if we made 'real' ownages of you? Or how about if we just made one 'ownage'--is it the plural that bothers you.
And this thing about mistaking you "with a previous Troy"? Was it what you were doing with said "previous Troy" that we "mistook"? You weren't doing naughty things to each other were you? I'm not sure that the pairing of a pair of Troys is something God approves of.
Thank you for attempting to help to clear this up. While I still have no idea what you said, you have made it clear that, in the terms of your earlier argument, you are quite certainly a "retard". Do you have anger issues with your mother because she didn't give you the abortion you felt you deserved? May I encourage you to throw off your self-loathing and accept your limitations, Troy. God will still love you despite your deficiencies...sort of.
Yours in hope for your eternal life and present vegetation
Smoggy
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 10:26 PM
One more and I promise I'm done:
4.Previously existing retards(their enforced value) generate cognitive dissonance that makes irrational claims of putting basic conclusion(beneficial to everyone) into nonsensical eugenics context and labeling.
Your point would make perfect sense except that your #4 point IS THE ARGUMENT FOR EUGENICS. Seriously, dude, I'll give you a linky to a definition if you can't find one on your own.
Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble | June 24, 2009 10:27 PM
"normal gays, you can't tell if they are gay unless they tell you(I'm that kind of gay)"
Ummmm... if you say you're gay Troy, then fair enough.
But normal?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Posted by: Chemgirl
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June 24, 2009 10:27 PM
Thanks to one friend of mine, most of the people I know tend to replace swearwords with "Jesus-Allah-Bhudda!" Does that mean that they are all the one true God? Some kind of three-headed monster?
What about my other friend, and her "Fuck-fizzling-swizzlesticks!"? (No, I did not make that up. She actually says that.)
Posted by: AntiTroll | June 24, 2009 10:27 PM
@249
Um,Troy,I think those grammatical errors might be a little more real than you would like.I do believe that it should read "That the USA...".Not,as you would have us think,"That USA...".Trolls are so silly!
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 10:30 PM
Anyone read Christopher Moore's Fool? Because of that book, I've become partial to "Fuck stockings!" but I never remember to say it. :(
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 10:32 PM
English is not my native language, you could have just said that it is proper to say "mistook for" instead of "mistook with". I realized that after I posted anyway.
You fucking asshole.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 24, 2009 10:46 PM
The wife is in the shower so one last post before I hit the sack.
Troy you incredible dumb ass. I know you were the one being a bigoted fuckhead about transsexuals. So no, it was you making the dumb statements I was referring to.
no, you were making the statements I was thinking of. Fuckhead.
Nope those were not slippery slope fallacies. For #1, you claiming "retards" are unproductive is easily transferable to the other people I mentioned. If it was a slippery slope argument I would have said that lazy people, and fat people and old people and people who don't work as hard as other people etc.. should then be killed.
For #2 you are suggesting that people who know they might be having a developmentally challenged baby should be required to abort them or face penalties because of the possible strain that will put on society. Welcome to eugenics 101 asshole. I then asked at what level or severity of developmental issues should the cut off be. Again, not slippery slope in any way whatsoever. Moron.
Repetition is necessary to drill it through your thick fucking skull. Ignoramus.
No you're not a normal gay. You're a disgrace to gays, humans and members of the Chordata phylum.
Posted by: Kemist | June 24, 2009 10:47 PM
In my place, "My god" or "jesus" aren't even proper swearwords.
We instead use the names (somewhat deformed) of the various Mass accessories, such as, for example, the tabernacle ( pronounced "tabarnak"). And we... conjugate and combine them to great effect.
One of my great-uncles, after a stroke, could only speak whole sentences using these.
Posted by: John Morales | June 24, 2009 10:50 PM
Wow, this Troy specimen's caperings are truly spectacular.
English may not be its native language, but thinking is certainly not its native mode of operation.
Keep poking it with that stick, Chimp! 'Tis funny :)
Posted by: MartyM | June 24, 2009 10:53 PM
Is it me or is that a forgotten clip from the Lawrence Welk Show?
Posted by: AntiTroll | June 24, 2009 10:57 PM
@285
Um,Troy,people DID point those errors out to you and you just called them imaginary in earlier posts directed towards the good Rev.BigDumbChimp.Who's the asshole again?
P.S. I'm new here so hi everyone and could someone please find me a link to a good lesson or two on HTML tags?Oh,and I'll stop feeding the troll now,it's just so much fun!
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 11:08 PM
Here you go, Anti!
HTML tutorial
Posted by: Troy
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June 24, 2009 11:13 PM
I don't know how to quote here, but I would just like to emphasize Rev. BigDumbChimp's statement that post 164 is the post where he made me look like a liar and an idiot.
You can't get more dishonest and imaginary than that...
Posted by: OurDeadSelves | June 24, 2009 11:13 PM
Oh, fuck stockings, my own sad attempt at making a linky failed. Oh well, here's the link: http://htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/
I'm obviously too drunk &/or tired to do anything right tonight.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | June 24, 2009 11:15 PM
English is not my native language
I have little doubt you'd be considered an asshole in any language.
Posted by: Rev. Bigdumbchimp | June 24, 2009 11:28 PM
You just managed to prove yourself wrong with that very statement, simpleton.Posted by: Blind Squirrel FCD | June 24, 2009 11:33 PM
If you are running Firefox,the add on BBcodeXtra works slick, and you don't have to learn anything No though required; just right click for options. Be sure to configure it for HTML.
Posted by: AntiTroll | June 24, 2009 11:38 PM
Thank you very much OurDeadSelves,for helping to educate me.I'm very ignorant in this area LOL.Anyway,many thanks my friend!
Posted by: Darren Garrison | June 24, 2009 11:38 PM
Another entry for the "wacky videos" pile:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gwceoRa76wAmeJzDIIvb3qb4raYgD9916IP00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhedHERfcXk
Posted by: DLC | June 24, 2009 11:40 PM
Dir Sir/Madam/Waylon or Troy :
I've been following the discussion here (a term that barely applies.), and have to say that I am insulted deeply by your apparent lack of logic, rationality or even the ability to otherwise make a cogent argument. I demand that someone apologize to me for having to put up with your inane drivel for the entire thread. Failing that I will accept a camera body or some other piece of hardware as compensation.
Thanks,
Warm Regards, I'm praying for you, and go jump down a deep hole.
Posted by: John Morales | June 24, 2009 11:40 PM
(sigh)
OK, Troy. Let's take it from the top.
@7:
Care to define 'retarded', and how your definition applies to the USA?
Posted by: AntiTroll | June 24, 2009 11:46 PM
Actually Blind Squirrel I'm doing all of this from a mobile device with some sort of Netscape browser build that can barely load all of these comments but your suggestion is greatly appreciated,thank you.
Posted by: Dan J
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June 24, 2009 11:47 PM
Our little-bitty Trojan Troll mewled:
As the good Rev. pointed out to you previously, you're doing a wonderful job of those things yourself.Posted by: Troy
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June 25, 2009 12:05 AM
Ah, no serious discussion here, just wordplay...
Posted by: Ragutis | June 25, 2009 1:13 AM
When Troy made his original
commentexhibition of bigotry about "normal" vs "faggy" gays, I suggested in my reply that he may have issues about his sexuality left to resolve. I'd like to retract that. It's clear he has issues about his humanity to resolve.Since it's unlikely that, on short notice, we can arrange to have an autistic or Down's Syndrome transsexual punch Troy in the face, can we abort him?
Posted by: Rey Fox | June 25, 2009 1:20 AM
"Ah, no serious discussion here"
You seem to think you deserve it. How strange.
Posted by: Stanton
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June 25, 2009 1:27 AM
So, can you explain your definition of "retard," such as your use of "retarded" to describe a large percentage of the US population, as well as your insistence that women should be happy to detect potentially retarded babies, then have them aborted?One would get the impression that you want to see a large portion of the US population euthanized or otherwise murdered simply because you consider them to be inferior in some (as of yet unexplained) manner.
Posted by: AntiTroll | June 25, 2009 1:36 AM
OurDeadSelves,Blind Squirrel FCD,thank both very much for your help.Thanks to you two,look what I can do!
Posted by: Eric | June 25, 2009 1:53 AM
I usually scream "mother FUCK!" when I hit my thumb with a hammer and I GUARANTEE you that I am NOT proposing that maternal incest is better than sex with non relatives.
Posted by: Muse142 | June 25, 2009 2:15 AM
Frequent lurker, infrequent commenter...
I'd just like to say THANK YOU to all the people, esp. Rev BDC, for appropriately smacking down the fuckneck ignoramus douchenozzle motherfucking piece of shit jagoff eugenicist Troy.
(Also, I hope my cursing is up to the regulars' standards here. All hail the fuck-gods! I swear this isn't OT! :P)
Posted by: Brain Hertz | June 25, 2009 2:20 AM
Troy #258
Troy #278
Hmm. Nope. You are, actually, exactly the asshole I was thinking of.
Posted by: John Morales | June 25, 2009 2:21 AM
Muse142, your sentiment is clear; your vehemence outstanding; but your originality and inventiveness is somewhat lacking.
Posted by: Antti Rasinen | June 25, 2009 3:07 AM
Oh this reveals so much of my own lovely home country of Finland. Truly, this is one sex-obsessed country since the most common swear word is the slang word for vagina.
The next three most common are two loving nick names for the Old Nick and his dominion.
I leave it up to the theologians to figure out what this means.
Posted by: Christophe Thill | June 25, 2009 4:37 AM
"I leave it up to the theologians to figure out what this means."
Or to psychoanalysts ?
Posted by: Micke | June 25, 2009 4:37 AM
Feces is god? Well, sometimes people claim it's holy so I guess it's not that far fetched.
Posted by: jim | June 25, 2009 6:55 AM
When Jesus hit his thumb with a hammer, he didn't say anything. He would get on a pogo stick and jump around for a bit, though.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 25, 2009 7:15 AM
There was some serious discussion, then I discovered what a low functioning dumb ass you are. At that point I decided to play with you.
Did the wordplay confuse you little Lord Fuckheadleroy?
Posted by: tyrone slothrop | June 25, 2009 7:57 AM
Wow. I love it when non-linguists write about linguistic issues! Always amusing (and Pinker is not a linguist nor a linguistic anthropologist...his work is at best useless). On interjections see (and the references therein):
http://www.columbia.edu/~pk2113/Interjections%20and%20Emotions.pdf
Do people really take Pinker seriously on language issues?
(By the way, for #13, the use of -fucking- in Jesus fucking Christ is likely an infix, where the infix -fucking- is an emphatic. In English -fucking- can be infixed as an emphatic in any number of words or idioms (here I would treat Jesus Christ as a single intonation unit); un-fucking-real, Califuckingfornia, etc.).
Posted by: Cosmic Teapot | June 25, 2009 8:22 AM
ThirtyFiveUp @37
Wierdo ;)
Posted by: FurrTheBear | June 25, 2009 10:14 AM
Hmm... I'm reminded of Arthur C. Clarke's novel The Songs of Distant Earth where the planet Thalassa - colonized by a "seeder probe" and the culture of which had absolutely no concept of religion - was visited by a ship that had actually traveled from Earth. Seems the only real shortfall in Lassan culture from having no religion was ... a distinct lack of invective. The only term in common use was the name of a local, occasionally annoying volcano, and that was rather over-used.
And while I'm in this groove - there are S. P. Somtow's Mallworld stories, where the existence of a female Pope is presented - thus giving rise to the invective phrase, "Pope's TITS!"
For myself - while it may be a bit "woo-ish" for some here, I strive to replace references to "God" with "Gaia." No, I don't believe our ecosphere is actually conscious - I'm just referring to something bigger and more important than myself. It's not a perfect solution, admittedly, but I'm more comfortable with it than hearing the word "God" come out of my mouth.
Posted by: MosesZD
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June 25, 2009 12:01 PM
I don't say "Jesus Christ!" I say fuck! Jesus must have gotten laid. A lot. Which makes sense, we know he hung out with prostitutes.
Sometimes I do say "bald-headed Christ!" So I'm thinking all those pictures of Blond Jesus are wrong.
Posted by: Muse142 | June 25, 2009 12:32 PM
John Morales: Fair 'nuff. :) It was, after all, 2 AM. (I know; excuses, excuses!)
Posted by: Nominal Egg | June 25, 2009 12:57 PM
Maybe he said "Oh, me! Oh, my!"Posted by: Phrogge | June 25, 2009 12:58 PM
Back when the li'l Tadpolles tended to snatch up with great glee any rude or undesirable word, even (or especially) those surrounded by otherwise mostly harmless verbiage, I found Mork's Shazbot! a most useful expletive. It's got the sh beginning, a nice plosive b in the middle, and that satisfying t ending: overall, a good mouth feel. I also became fairly good at stringing together nonsense syllables in a somewhat Mad Magazine veeblefetzerish vein.
Generally, though, the usual deities and that versatile Anglo-Saxon word trip readily from my tongue, owing to their ubiquity in current culture, and I hate it, not least because they are unimaginative and leave us nowhere to go when really outraged; but somehow "You fornicating anal orifice!" just doesn't do the job. I'll admit to an amused fondness for a phrase I came across somewhere (in that notorious Pharyngula thread, perhaps?), which employs two of the trinity: "Christ crapping on a cracker!"
Posted by: Ole Tjugen | June 25, 2009 1:44 PM
In many ways English is a poor language, especially when it comes to expletives.
Norwegians tend to call on the devil in the same situations, under a number of different names, often combined into very long strings. The devil - or a 16th-century taxman better known as an astronomer: "Han Tykje" refers to Tycho Brahe...
Posted by: Stu
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June 25, 2009 2:48 PM
Fun fact: my favorite Dutch swear translates roughly to "god-glowing cholera typhus".
Posted by: Ryan Egesdahl
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June 25, 2009 6:06 PM
[QUOTE]Btw, the only posts I made before are how there are 2 types of gays:
1.normal gays, you can't tell if they are gay unless they tell you(I'm that kind of gay)
2.faggy feminine gays, trans-whatever freaks and so on[/QUOTE]
As a gay man (of the none-of-the-above variety), I have only one question to ask you in reference to this:
What the crapfuck?
This, combined with everything else you have posted in this thread (and never mind many others, which you for some reason deny), prompts an equally short response:
Die in a fire.
@Rev. BDC: Never mind what I said before about feeding the troll. Feed him until PZ decides he's had enough, since Troy obviously won't quit on his own anyway.
Posted by: FurrTheBear | June 25, 2009 7:55 PM
Troy spewed:
Troy... since you seem to value the ability to "pass" - as a gay man who can mingle with hardcore bikers and not raise an eyebrow, you're a disgrace not only to gayfolk but to humanity in general. Your attitude is as ugly as a bleeding anal wart, and the vacuum in your cranium is purer than that of the intergalactic voids.Posted by: gaypaganunitarianagnostic | June 25, 2009 9:22 PM
By Crom, never saw such felkercarb.
Posted by: John Morales | June 26, 2009 5:00 AM
Muse142, I hope it was constructive criticism. :)
--
tyrone @317, are you a linguist?
I love language, and I'd be happy to find an expert to whom I can refer here in Pharyngula.
--
Ole #324, perhaps. Still, expletives are only part of a good insult.
e.g. like this and this.
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Swearing is good for you:
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