…and this is a 
Oklahoma's bible-thumpingest congresscreature has issued a Proclamation of Morality.
WHEREAS, the people of Oklahoma have a strong tradition of reliance upon the Creator of the Universe; and
WHEREAS, we believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis; and
WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and
WHEREAS, alarmed that the Government of the United States of America is forsaking the rich Christian heritage upon which this nation was built; and
WHEREAS, grieved that the Office of the president of these United States has refused to uphold the long held tradition of past presidents in giving recognition to our National Day of Prayer; and
WHEREAS, deeply disturbed that the Office of the president of these United States disregards the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we the undersigned elected officials of the people of Oklahoma, religious leaders and citizens of the State of Oklahoma, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world, solemnly declare that the HOPE of the great State of Oklahoma and of these United States, rests upon the Principles of Religion and Morality as put forth in the HOLY BIBLE
Notice that the only solutions she proposes to her perceived problem of immorality is 1) pray for a day, and 2) read her holy book. Even if you grant that her declared problems are real moral problems (and I do not: I find it incredibly offensive and obtuse that she would lump same sex marriage together with sex trafficking) these are solutions that do not work. If you want to find a hotbed of divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, alcoholism, etc.…just look for a high density of churches.
Comments
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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June 27, 2009 8:22 AM
I don't think she has ever read her holy babble cover to cover with the intention of understanding it all. At most, the scripture lesson from her church, which is carefully edited. Reading the whole babble is enough to make people turn to atheism...
Posted by: DJ | June 27, 2009 8:23 AM
Whereas some people in Oklahoma are giving that state a bad name, I guess I'll stay away from there and cheer on those who work against the crazy holy rollers there.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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June 27, 2009 8:24 AM
It's true that a cause of the current economic crisis is lax morality. But nowhere in Kern's screed is there any mention of greed. That's a much bigger part of the cause than same-sex marriage or child abuse.
Posted by: Dr. J | June 27, 2009 8:29 AM
Soooooo glad I moved after only 2 years in purgatory, I mean Oklahoma. Most of you can't imagine just how far the fundies take things there on a daily basis. In OK, the first question you get upon meeting people is "what church do you attend" (it happened SEVERAL times), since moving back to Wisconsin, I've never heard that question.
Posted by: Matty S | June 27, 2009 8:30 AM
"...this nation has become a world leader in promoting... pornography, same sex marriage... and many other forms of debauchery..."
Excuse me, but I believe that high honour goes to the glorious nation of the Netherlands, thank you very much! Stop trying to steal the credit for this marvelous achievement!
Posted by: DJ | June 27, 2009 8:34 AM
Maybe its just me, but "debauchery" is such a fun sounding word that I'd like to go participate in some right now!
Posted by: NewEnglandBob
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June 27, 2009 8:38 AM
WHEREAS, Sally Kern is a Fuckwit with a class A misunderstanding of the reality, and a liar extraordinaire;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Sally Kern be laughed at by the entire universe and be known as not even useful as slug food.
Posted by: CS | June 27, 2009 8:39 AM
And here are her thoughts on
Posted by: CS | June 27, 2009 8:43 AM
I'll try again...
Here are her thoughts on Preserving Traditional Marriage
Posted by: Richard Harris
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June 27, 2009 8:45 AM
Sally Kern is an idiot, putting trust in a Bronze Age mythology that is totally absurd.
Posted by: shonny
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June 27, 2009 8:47 AM
Always wonder why natural selection seems to leave this planet with so superfluously many religious fuckwits.
Is that because they breed like rabbits?
Posted by: MadScientist
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June 27, 2009 8:49 AM
The assholes obviously want a theocracy. I hope folks are sensible enough to tell them where to shove their theocracy. By the way, whatever happened to the Inquisition against Dawkins?
Posted by: Kausik Datta | June 27, 2009 8:51 AM
Sometimes I wonder how it would be to pit our pet accommodationists (come on, you know who you are!) against foaming-at-the-mouth crazy, ignorant, deluded, offensive idiots such as Ms. Kern. I am guessing it would be fun to watch, as the accommodationists struggle to wrap their tenuous grip on rationality around their need to reconcile with the ignorant, bigoted zealotry of Ms. Kern's ilk.
'Proclamation of Morality', indeed! How do they do it, day after day? How much divorced from reality does one have to be in order to keep at wasting time and energy and effort at such utterly meaningless, useless ventures?
Posted by: Drosera
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June 27, 2009 8:53 AM
WHEREAS, there is nothing in the Bible that could not have been invented by contemporaneous human beings; and
WHEREAS, the people who created the Bible were ignorant, goat-herding peasants who left no significant cultural monuments or technological innovations to mankind; and
WHEREAS, the said Bible demonstrates patently amoral behavior of the so-called Creator; and
WHERAS, there is not the slightest evidence that said Creator exists or ever existed, and;
WHEREAS, the Bible has caused the death of millions of innocent people; and
WHEREAS, it has been established that prayer has no effect;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that any politician who advocates praying or studying the Bible as a solution to present-day problems is a complete fucking imbecile.
Posted by: Chas | June 27, 2009 8:56 AM
Damn. Silly Sally just doesn't seem to fit her right anymore. When she was re-elected, it made me incredibly depressed because Sally has never tried to veil and of her hatred and everything she puts forth in our State Congress is always linked to homosexuals or evolution (funny really, I really wish she'd study nature more). We Okies elect and re-elect a hate filled person and believe that she is representing us and that is utterly pathetic.
But, guess what! The Oklahoma Atheists have a booth at the Gay Pride Festival this weekend and will be trading in your old, dirty, smelly, misused souls for a fortune cookie. I bet you never thought you'd get anything for that soul, didja?
To #4: If they ask, say I don't know. People really don't like confrontation here and will usually let you pass right on by w/o stabbing you in the heart with a wooden stake or burning you on a cross. And if they do, well that just illuminates who your real friends are.
Posted by: Rick R | June 27, 2009 8:56 AM
#4- "In OK, the first question you get upon meeting people is "what church do you attend" (it happened SEVERAL times), since moving back to Wisconsin, I've never heard that question."
48 years I've lived in the southwest, and I've never been asked that question, not even once. But I grew up in Los Angeles, where people consider religion a private matter, or more likely, simply don't give a shit.
Whereas, Sally Kern is a demented fuckwit, and given current political trends, an endangered species. Thankfully.
Posted by: Paul Flocken | June 27, 2009 8:58 AM
No.
It is because they breed like roaches.
Posted by: Chas | June 27, 2009 9:00 AM
Correction: Tell them you don't go. Not knowing whether you go to church or not is plain weird.
Posted by: KI | June 27, 2009 9:01 AM
I'm just glad that RevBDC has somewhere to point to when people accuse South Carolinians of being the USA's intellectual basket case.
Posted by: Zeno | June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
Where is Sally Kern's proclamation denouncing the Republican Party for harboring fornicators like Sen. Ensign and Gov. Sanford and demanding that they be stoned to death?
I say Sally is soft on fornication!
Posted by: John Morales
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June 27, 2009 9:04 AM
Mojoey at Deep Thoughts has a huge number of posts relating to the immorality of those in positions of authority in religions, going back years (and on an almost daily basis).
So very, verymany — so much evidence religion doesn't make one moral.
Posted by: MadScientist
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June 27, 2009 9:06 AM
OK, I'm waiting for news of Obama being smitten by gawd, but I'm not holding my breath. Oh, hang on - I think the curse might have worked but got the wrong target: Michael Jackson.
I'm betting the folks in OK don't really rely much at all on the skyspook; otherwise they'd be totally screwed and wandering about in a daze wondering why the world isn't just giving them things and manna's not falling from heaven and all that sort of stuff.
Posted by: maureen Brian
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June 27, 2009 9:06 AM
Help, please. I live a sheltered life and can't for work out which naughty thing Obama plans to spend a whole month doing. Can anyone help?
Posted by: Ramel | June 27, 2009 9:10 AM
Slightly off topic, why is it in these things they start every statment with a "WHEREAS"?
Posted by: RamblinDude
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June 27, 2009 9:13 AM
Zeno, "Where is Sally Kern's proclamation denouncing the Republican Party for harboring fornicators like Sen. Ensign and Gov. Sanford and demanding that they be stoned to death?"
Oh, but you see, it's not they're fault that they sinned and fallen,--it's Obama's fault
Posted by: RamblinDude
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June 27, 2009 9:15 AM
Ack! "Their"
Posted by: Hannah | June 27, 2009 9:16 AM
Just love the way she puts 'sex trafficking' and 'child abuse' in with what are really nothing but personal bloody choices, as if they are all on the same level. Because, yes, homosexual marriage is as bad, if not worse, than abusing a child! *rolls her eyes*
Posted by: detrius | June 27, 2009 9:16 AM
He declared June 'LGBT Pride Month'.
Posted by: Phodopus
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June 27, 2009 9:16 AM
WHEREAS, deeply disappointed that the rapture still has not occurred yet despite all the evidence for the immanent second coming of Christ
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we shall attempt to summon the forces of Armageddon and accelerate the process by converting this great Country and the great therein into a theocracy.
Posted by: chas | June 27, 2009 9:17 AM
Oh, the religious fuckwits may be a dying breed, but they are settling here in OK so they can make their last stand. Congress passed the 10 commandments monument and one of the reps is even financing it himself. We tried to warn them that the court fees for when the ACLU rips them wide open were a waste of our money but they didn't listen. Poor Gov. Henry had already vetoes many awful bills from Congress and was told that if he didn't sign this one then they would just override it (that was not an empty threat). Guess who loved that bill? Silly Sally!!!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 27, 2009 9:18 AM
debauchery? Hell that's one of my favorite pastimes!
Count me in!
Posted by: a lurker | June 27, 2009 9:19 AM
Maybe someone needs to buy a few billboards and actually put Bible verses on them.
Posted by: maureen Brian
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June 27, 2009 9:19 AM
Well done him!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 27, 2009 9:22 AM
they're everywhere
Posted by: Chas | June 27, 2009 9:23 AM
Maybe we should finance a big bill board full of all sorts of nasty verses. Wonder how much that costs b/c sadly, we are not nearly as cool as the MN Atheists. August Berkshire told us that they have 400 dues paying members... we have like 10-15 (and I'm a proud paying member!).
Posted by: John Morales
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June 27, 2009 9:27 AM
Ramel @24, (in case you weren't being rhetorical) probably tradition; they probably think it adds gravitas, too — but it doesn't.
The primary meaning of 'whereas' is 'instead of', but this in this usage its meaning is 'because'.
It really is an archaism, but I'm not one to complain about such. :)
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | June 27, 2009 9:29 AM
Paraphrasing Molly Ivins (yet again): "If you took all the crooks, idiots, and bigots out of the legislature, it would cease to be a representative body."
Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM | June 27, 2009 9:34 AM
WHEREAS the thoughts of Sally Kern
Are always easy to discern—
In fact, if you will take a look
You’ll find them written in a book—
The Holy Bible is her source;
She cannot think alone, of course
and
WHEREAS Ms. Kern believes in God
She wants us all to smile and nod
And spend a day in earnest prayer
To set our country straight and square;
A day or so is all we need,
If we would follow Sally’s lead,
and
WHEREAS this nation first was built,
So Sally says, on Christian Guilt,
Which now the POTUS has forsaken—
Now it’s Satan’s path we’ve taken—
Abortion, drugs, and same-sex sex,
Which Sally Kern, of course, rejects,
and
WHEREAS she simply cannot quit,
But must produce her legal shit,
Proclaim it in the public square
To all the cameras gathered there
And thus display her piety
To sinful types like you and me
therefore be it
RESOLVED, that we, the undersigned,
Unsound in body, soul, or mind,
Do hereby claim alliance with
The bronze-age god, of shepherds’ myth
To save our state from total loss,
Let’s nail some kid up on a cross.
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2009/06/ahh-sally-sally-kern.html
Posted by: Kausik Datta | June 27, 2009 9:47 AM
Cuttlefish, I shall never tire of saying this to you:
That was PURE genius!
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | June 27, 2009 9:49 AM
WHEREAS, the Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others, and;
WHEREAS, these Christian bigots try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity, and;.
WHEREAS, Thomas Paine said “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.", and;
WHEREAS, George Washington never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence, and;
WHEREAS, George Washington championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion, and;
WHEREAS, John Adams wrote that he “found among the lawyers noble and gallant achievements" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces.”, and;
WHEREAS, late in life John Adams wrote: "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!", and;
WHEREAS, Thomas Jefferson referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac.", and;
WHEREAS, Thomas Jefferson wrote “The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained.", and;
WHEREAS, James Madison was not religious in any conventional sense, and;
WHEREAS, James Madison wrote "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.", and;
WHEREAS, James Madison wrote "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.", and;
WHEREAS,I, Benjamin Franklin said as to Jesus of Nazareth, “I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity”, and;
WHEREAS, The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we the undersigned solemnly declare that it is the HOPE of these United States, that Sally Kern shoves her HOLY BIBLE up her HOLY ASS.
BE IT RESOLVED that we, the undersigned, humbly call upon intelligent, rational minded people, to rise up against those like Sally Kern who would seek to deprive us of our legal rights.
Written on the Twenty Seventh day of July, Two Thousand and Nine of the Current Era
Posted by: ice9 | June 27, 2009 9:51 AM
Man, that's sweet, sweet doggerel. Turned on a dime, too. You are the mastah.
By the way, NYTimes columnist Charles Blow (whoa, cuttle, he's one of the good guys) combined a set of relevant statistics that have been around piecemeal for quite a while. I doubt Ms. Kern would be interested in actual hard proof that her state is in Satan's column, but I enjoyed it very much:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/06/27/opinion/20090627blowchart.html
According to the chart, Oklahoma is the third or fourth worst state in the union when it comes to consuming divorce, pornography, and underage sex.
I did notice a few errors--the porno chart has a few states in the wrong column--they give Tennessee to Obama. Also, clearly "teenage birthrate" might favor married teenagers, of which Ms. Kern might be quite proud; "online pornography" indexes closely to "internet access", as if once that Devil Machine is connected Satan can just reach into your house and clutch at every penis in reach. Of course, Divorce Rate is quite relevant, what with the high profile Fall of the Pharisees going on apace in the national news.
Sally? Anyone?
ice
Posted by: Dr. J | June 27, 2009 9:58 AM
I don't know that I really consider OK the southwest and you've obviously never lived around Stillwater (AKA backwater), Oklahoma. ;-)
What I thought so funny about it is how everyone just assumed that you did go to church, probably a baptist one at that. Fortunately on a daily basis, being a scientist I worked with people that if they were religious - some were, some weren't - they understood how evolution was true and the earth was older than 10,000 years. I did however get to watch George W. Bush give a commencement speech to one of 2 states where he still had a greater than 50% approval rating.
Posted by: Larry | June 27, 2009 9:58 AM
Well, that should certainly keep those tornadoes out of god-fearing Oklahoma this year!
Posted by: raven | June 27, 2009 10:01 AM
Didn't waste much time after Governor Sanford's little hike along the "Appalachian trail".
The principle is now well known and established. The more "moral" xians are in public, the more certain they are doing something fun. weird, and frowned upon in private.
They are all hypocrites.
Wonder what Sally Kearn's quirks are? She is so toadlike that I couldn't imagine her "hiking the Appalachian trail to Argentina". But really, to another toad she is beautiful. Cruising for little boys, little girls. Given her christofascist fanaticism it could be something that normal people have difficulty imagining. What lies beyond whips and chains?
Posted by: Mendelein | June 27, 2009 10:02 AM
Alright, I'm sorry but being "soft" on fornication gave me a big damn laugh. I doubt there is anything soft about fornication and since the Republican party is real big on being "hard" on everything, they can have that one too. I dunno guys, I look at the conservative's actions in this country versus their words and find they are a whole bunch of fun. You have trips to Argentina for foreign and exotic tail, endless closet homosexuality, and a whole pile of sweet greed in there to top it off. If you take their words with a big wink wink say no more you could argue they are the party of humor and fun. Sigh, if only this were true. Well, this nice lady gets thrown into the Michelle Bachman barrel of elected nuttery.
My pity to the subjugated peoples of Oklahoma and my hope that next time you go out to vote, the rational outnumber the batcrap crazy.
Posted by: wheatdogg
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June 27, 2009 10:05 AM
How unimaginative. After all those "whereases," I thought she would propose something really original, like Oklahoma seceding from the Union.
Posted by: KI | June 27, 2009 10:19 AM
Rev@34
It hurts, though, when you have this mythical ideal (Lake Woebegone) shattered by reality (Michele Bachman). I once actually thought Minnesota was an exception to the rule of stupidity everywhere in the world.
Posted by: Weaponsofmassdeception | June 27, 2009 10:22 AM
::the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;::
Which immoral month does she reference? I'm thinking the month between Turkey Day and Christmas. All those pagan displays based upon the Winter Solstice, coupled with feeding frenzies at the mall, where people are trampled to get to whatever the latest marketing tells them to go snatch off the shelves!
Either that or Black History Month? (I have a hard time remembering which actions the Republicans are currently deeming 'immoral'. They have to move the goal posts every time one of theirs breaks the rules!
Posted by: Mendelein | June 27, 2009 10:25 AM
I also wonder, what is the month she is referencing? Am I forgetting to celebrate something? National don't be a pontificating douche month or something?
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | June 27, 2009 10:26 AM
Rev@34
It hurts, though, when you have this mythical ideal (Lake Woebegone) shattered by reality (Michele Bachman). I once actually thought Minnesota was an exception to the rule of stupidity everywhere in the world.
It took you until Bachman?
As a former Minnesotan, I usually defend the state on this point, but Minnesota did elect Jesse "The Body" Ventura as its Governor. I'm not sure how that ranks in the Schwarzenegger/Reagan celebrity Governor sweepstakes, but there were clues all along.
Posted by: XD | June 27, 2009 10:29 AM
A combination of greed and gullibility caused the current financial crisis. To prevent it from happening again, we need sufficient regulation and education.
Posted by: Hypatia's Daughter | June 27, 2009 10:33 AM
Why, Oh Why do these bible thumpers always get their Bible so WRONG??!!
God blessed the nation of Jews, descendants of Abraham, as long as they, as a people, followed his rules. Jesus' death was supposed to replace rules with personal salvation; and a "racial" nation, with anyone who accepts Him.
God does NOT bless nations, and most certainly nations that are defined as legal entities. He blesses individuals who accept His sacrifice. (Duh, godbots - why else do you blather on & on about "Jesus is my personal savior"?)
God does not bless America - or any other country.
And it makes people in other countries gag whenever they hear a sanctimonious idiot say things like that.
Posted by: Matt Heath | June 27, 2009 10:33 AM
Something I can never square with just about every news story I see about Oklahoma: "Do you realize??" by the Flaming Lips - as near perfect an expression of humanistic values and wonder at the really real universe that could be made in a conventional pop song - is recognised by the state government as the official rock song of OK.
Posted by: XD | June 27, 2009 10:34 AM
shonny #11
Well, that was the premise behind Idiocracy.
Posted by: Chas | June 27, 2009 10:39 AM
The entire month of debauchery is of course the coronation of June as GLBT month! All that tsk tsking and those degrading comments make me think she seems a bit envious...
Posted by: KI | June 27, 2009 10:39 AM
MAJ@50
Jesse was an interesting case in the study of public personas. While seeming to feed outrage and using his public visibility for personal gain and glory, his actual governorship was quite competent-budgets were outlined, contracts and union negotiations went on, all the actual functions of government continued with less friction than usual. Contrast that to Pawlenty-no personal controversy, and absolutely incompetent running of the functions of the state. He broke it, and now wants to just quit before the horrors of his ineptitude come to bite us in the ass.
I'd vote for Jesse (again). Really.
Posted by: antistokes
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June 27, 2009 10:40 AM
#9: "I'll try again...
Here are her thoughts on Preserving Traditional Marriage"
It's interesting reading the comments on the article Kern wrote at this site--- nary a single one in support of her views, many from Oklahoma, and quite a number a lot more vicious than those posted here!
Posted by: vhutchison | June 27, 2009 10:41 AM
Krazy Kern is an embarrassment to Oklahoma and the Nation. A few notes on her and her spouse:
The 'Rev. Kern' is pastor of the Olivet Baptist Church in Oklahoma City and a YEC. He is giving a lecture this week on 'Dinosaurs and The Bible.' A few years ago after a lecture at the University of Oklahoma by Barbara Forrest, he was escorted out of the building by campus police for creating a disturbance by loudly shouting at me things like 'I want equal time,' No one was there to see the Creation," etc., etc. The police took him by each elbow and took him to his red convertible.
NONE of Silly Sally's numerous bills promoting religion in schools and pro-creationism have become law. All but one died in the Legislature. Last year her 'Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimnation Act' was vetoed by the Governor. No doubt she will continue her crusades and we will continue to oppose them. As one of her fellow legislators remarked to me: "She is as dumb as a board!"
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 27, 2009 10:42 AM
Yeah I can understand that. It also sucked when I realized that Santa Claus and the big asshole in the sky weren't real, but I'm glad I found out early. There are always going to be wildly fuckheaded people like Bachman as long as religion and mythical thinking are co-piloting people's lives.
IMNSHO I think that we would all be much better off if people started to realize that it's not where you live but what you believe that causes you to tend to be rational or batfucking insane like Mrs. Kern.
I get the impression here far too often that people want to take the lazy way out and just say "those dumb Oklahomans" or "those idiot Georgians" instead of targeting the actual people or organizations that are guilty. It weakens the argument.
Posted by: raven | June 27, 2009 10:42 AM
The present financial crisis was caused by rampant greed, corruption, idiocy, and lies during the Theothuglican administration, with them and their christofascist allies running the country. In other words, Sally Kearn's buddies and her collection of Xian Dominionist morons.
So to be consistent and moral, they should shut up and search around for some brains and a conscience.
But since Xian morality is a myth, they will just blame it on the gays. atheists, and evolutionary biologists. Who knew Bushco, the GOP, and Wall Street were all gay, atheist, evolutionary biologists?
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | June 27, 2009 10:45 AM
KI@56
Like I said, I usually defend the state about Jesse. The biggest problem with his stint in office was that he had no political base of support. The House was controlled by the increasingly crazy Republicans, and the Senate by the DFL. Jesse pretty much had no allies in the legislature, so he was almost irrelevant to what went on in there. It seemed that he remained a constant outsider.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | June 27, 2009 10:48 AM
And, to be honest, a pro wrestler does seem a little more extreme than a stint on The Love Boat or as Cher's husband.
Posted by: Felix | June 27, 2009 10:50 AM
#44 raven,
I've thought that too. It's almost like a natural law. What did Good Christian Women who were caught do? I recall there was a serial killer, that recent case of the Sunday school teacher who sexually abused, killed and hid her neighbor's daughter, women who threw their kids off bridges, suffocated them and bashed their skulls in with a hammer.
I see she has two adult sons, so at least no kids are in danger now (except maybe her neighbor's). She's married to a pastor, so she might just end up in a freezing trunk herself. Given her age, I guess she's the type who'd stab prostitutes at night wearing a wig and a raincoat.
She also has a well-developed persecution complex, hiring a bodyguard because she wanted to believe that unfriendly emails were death threats. She should ask around with her godloving brothers and sisters in arms how real death threats look. Many of them know. I bet they save their best sent mails. Maybe they'd be nice enough to share a template.
She likes carrying loaded guns into public buildings. Maybe I'm wrong about the stabbbing. Maybe she's just angry at her college affair for letting herself be seduced by Sally.
Seriously, I hope she goes peacefully before one day snapping, blabbering and shooting at 'HOMOS! They're everywhere! They're coming to get MEEEEE!!!!' at some parking lot.
Posted by: KI | June 27, 2009 10:57 AM
@61
Yeah, I'd guess that if he had been in the two-party system he would have had more to work with, although I think you could make the case that he united the house and senate in their antipathy towards him.
From what I've observed over the past few years, politics gets more like pro wrestling all the time! Lots of bluster and bombast, and we usually know who'll win the contest (with the occasional surprise to keep us watching).
Posted by: Michael Kingsford Gray | June 27, 2009 10:59 AM
Do you Yanks have a rule whereby one may only be elected to office by failing a test of sanity?
Posted by: maddogdelta | June 27, 2009 11:02 AM
@Raven #44
Well, for one, she allegedly has a gay son.
Posted by: antistokes
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June 27, 2009 11:06 AM
My Kinky Normal Life: The Other Night I Did the Wildest Thing: I Made Peanut-Butter Cookies for My Family by Dan Savage
(Dan's take on Kern)
Yay Dan!! Hmm, now i want a cookie baked by a gay man.
Posted by: Weemaryanne | June 27, 2009 11:10 AM
@ #47, if you think Lake Woebegon is an ideal place then you need to listen to some more Garrison Keillor. He may love his home state but his satire of it is merciless.
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | June 27, 2009 11:10 AM
When it comes to morality I try to follow this advice: Never behave in a manner that would make your neighbor want to kill you.
Posted by: Tim H | June 27, 2009 11:16 AM
Kern's continued existence in the OK legislature is due to strong union support. Her district apparently has the highest concentration of AFCHW members in the country.
*(American Federation of Comedians and Humor Writers.)
Posted by: Darren Garrison | June 27, 2009 11:17 AM
Some good comments to the article defending traditional biblical marriage linked in post #9.
Posted by: Butter | June 27, 2009 11:23 AM
The resolution isn't even grammatical. The first three whereases precede independent clauses, but then the last three don't: their clauses have no subject. She'd need to add a "we are" after the "whereas" of those to preserve the parallel structure.
Perhaps she studied Acedemics with the north Ga. homeschoolers?
Posted by: Aquaria | June 27, 2009 11:29 AM
First of all, Kern tends to forget that it was the hyperfundie previous administration that had the low morals and drove this country off a cliff. Of course, she's a classic new Republican. There isn't any lie she's too ashamed to vomit. Then again, she's had a lifetime of training in doing that, thanks to being a Liar for Jebus.
I also want to know where Kern's outrage is with the Republican party for having among its ranks this fellow:
Emphases mine.
And if you want even more examples of how the pedophilia seems to be primarily a Republican problem, there's always the site dedicated to documenting the atrocities .
Posted by: Lynna | June 27, 2009 11:33 AM
Love the idea put forth in #33. Yes! Let's expand the bus banner campaign to billboards, but put up actual bible verses (just like the fundies) -- but of course, our choice of bible verses might differ. I say we go for the most erotic bits of the Song of Solomon, as well as the verses that document the crimes of God.
Posted by: Britomart | June 27, 2009 11:33 AM
Well clearly shes not praying enough!
She should quit her job and spend more time in church.
I can think of a whole bunch of others who should do the same thing.
Posted by: XD | June 27, 2009 11:37 AM
@#74
Genius!
Posted by: AndrewR | June 27, 2009 11:41 AM
Defining activity in the bedroom between two consenting adults that doesn't hurt anyone as "immoral" is kind of counter to the idea of "the land of the free", is it not?
Posted by: KI | June 27, 2009 11:42 AM
@68
Actually, I listen to PHC every weekend, and reference it as an insight for my other-state friends who wonder why thing get weird up here sometimes. Many 'sotans are quite self-deprecating and aware of our foibles (long winters and German/Scandinavian existentialism, I'd guess), hence the fondness for Ole and Lena jokes.
Ole was on his deathbed, but the aroma of fresh-baked cookies got him up and he slowly made his way to the kitchen. As he reached for a warm chocolate chip taste treat, Lena smacked his hand. "Don't touch those, they're for the funeral".
Posted by: MartyM | June 27, 2009 11:42 AM
I'm embarrassed to live in a state that borders Oklahoma and Kansas. Thank jebusI it doesn't boarder Texas.
Posted by: simba | June 27, 2009 11:42 AM
"sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse.."
What a monster she is, denouncing Biblical traditions like that. And she calls herself a Christian.
If she followed or read the new testament she'd notice a huge part of it is basically "STFU and be nice to people, don't be self-righteous and sanctimonious".
If she followed the old testament she'd see that a lot of the things she goes against were approved of in the Bible.
While leviticus forbade prostitution there were several heroic prostitutes in the bible, and one case of a woman secretly prostituting herself in order to bear children.
Deuteronomy specifically allows divorce (24).
As for illegitimate births, our lord and saviour technically was born on the wrong side of the blanket. Yes, I know that's new testament, but he's pretty important in the religion.
Child abuse- genesis22:2-10 we should be willing to kill kids for God. 2 kings 2:23 god killed kids for calling someone bald. Deuteronomy 21:18 exodus 21:17.
Posted by: Lynna | June 27, 2009 11:44 AM
I've been thinking about repetition, how, for example, if you say "This nation was founded on Christian principles" often enough it becomes true. Right?
Truth by repetition. What's up with that? Limbaugh says it's Obama's fault that governors travel off to Argentina for nookie. He repeats that several times, with slight modifications, and now it's the explanation du jour for concerned Republicans.
Does church attendance prime one to expect repetition? If I say I believe often enough, will I believe? Sam Harris might have something to say about that thought process, neurologically speaking.
Posted by: vhutchison | June 27, 2009 11:54 AM
An addendum to #58: For a news film clip on this with Sally's comments see:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/sally-kerns-proclamation-morality
Posted by: raven | June 27, 2009 11:56 AM
Well, it is sort of true.
Genocide and slavery are all through the bible. Xians are massive hypocrits.
The USA was founded by genocide and a lot of the work was done by imported slaves. How many American Indians are left and how much of the continent do they now own?
To be fair, we no longer genocide people in the way and slavery is illegal. Xians, whoever have not abandoned all their principles. They are still hypocrits.
Posted by: Gruesome Rob | June 27, 2009 11:59 AM
Of course it does
Posted by: Citizen of the Cosmos
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June 27, 2009 11:59 AM
Maybe you should go all the way and replace your constitution with rules extracted from the Bible. Theocracy based on Abrahamic religions work out wonderfully every time. Look at medieval Europe or present-day Iran or Afghanistan.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | June 27, 2009 12:02 PM
I just love how, in the last paragraph, after WHEREAS has just become a magic word, she just can't hold herself together anymore and the ALL CAPS and the random punctuation break out.
(Except that it isn't the last paragraph. PZ, your source has cut a lot of stuff out at both ends – note how the last sentence doesn't end anywhere? Here is the full text as a pdf.)
Posted by: raven | June 27, 2009 12:03 PM
Well, it is sort of true.
Genocide and slavery are all through the bible. Xians are massive hypocrits.
The USA was founded by genocide and a lot of the work was done by imported slaves. How many American Indians are left and how much of the continent do they now own?
To be fair, we no longer genocide people in the way and slavery is illegal. Xians, whoever have not abandoned all their principles. They are still hypocrits.
Posted by: Gibbette | June 27, 2009 12:05 PM
I may be an Oklahoman, but I want to say with full assurance, and to the whole world, that this woman does NOT speak for me. We do have rational people in Oklahoma. Why don't any of them run for office AND win?!?
Oh. Right.
Posted by: dysphemism | June 27, 2009 12:10 PM
Another OK ex-pat lurker here, raised on a steady diet of crazy. Woke up when I (thank you, @1) actually read the book, and got the hell out as soon as I was legal.
@12: Let me put it this way: Oklahoma is as close to a theocracy as I've seen in the U.S. -- if not in code, at least in culture. And the nasty fuckwits trying to codify that social order are, generally speaking, the ones with the power. To paraphrase Mr. Churchill: if you're going through Tulsa, keep going!
Posted by: jamesnimmo
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June 27, 2009 12:19 PM
http://tinyurl.com/kjdfob
What if that target to be "exposed and attacked" turns out to be a birth certificate with her name as the mother of the child?
Posted by: Kenny | June 27, 2009 12:32 PM
I live real close to her district, if only I could borrow some "Christian morals" and a gun, I could take care of the problem. I guess I'd have to get through that bodyguard and make sure I took her out in one shot, in case she had her concealed weapon with her...oh well, lucky for her I'm an amoral atheist that doesn't believe in shooting people with whom I disagree.
Posted by: Jeff S | June 27, 2009 12:33 PM
Anyone who voted for this ignorant hate filled bigot needs to decide if they want to live in a world were people are told they cannot love.
Comparing Same Sex Marriage to child abuse? Fuck you, bitch. You are a cancer on our society.
Posted by: Pascalle
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June 27, 2009 12:37 PM
I'm goign to allow myself to be very upset about this.
The crisis that the world is in at the moment.. isn't because of abortion. It's not because of same sex marriage.
It's not because of pornography.
It's not because of condoms.
It's because of fucking GREED.
And guess who are amongst the most greedy people in the whole world.
Born again and fucking proud of it.
Not paying any taxes.. and begging the shallow minded for MORE MORE MORE MORE!
I'm severely disgusted by this and i hope they'll choke to death on their fucking biblical morality.
Pfew.. Now i feel better :)
Posted by: Angel Kaida | June 27, 2009 12:54 PM
Ramel,
It's just the format for resolutions according to Robert's Rules of Order, I think.
Aquaria,
Not your fault, as you didn't write the article, but wouldn't it be more proper to say that he was arrested because he *tried* to do X rather than because he *wanted* to do X? Because, while I don't have any particular predilection for kinky sex acts with underage people, a whole host of things I *want* to do but stop myself from doing for legal or moral reasons popped into my mind.
Posted by: Tom M | June 27, 2009 12:56 PM
Was it the skateboarding that set her off?
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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June 27, 2009 12:57 PM
don't make me laugh. The U.S. is not world leader in any of the above (for better or worse). Why is it that even when trying to condemn, it has to be "we're number one!!!11!!", huh?
Posted by: Ozzy1981 | June 27, 2009 1:01 PM
"If you want to find a hotbed of divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, alcoholism, etc.…just look for a high density of churches."
PZ, don't you think that's a little harsh and, or course, not ultimately true?
Posted by: GMacs | June 27, 2009 1:02 PM
Actually, we probably are one of the more abusive to children of the advanced nations.
Our general method of choice? Religion.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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June 27, 2009 1:10 PM
well, statistically speaking, it actually is. except for the "illegitimate" births (but then, they're only seen as a problem in places with high concentration of churches), and I'm not sure about alcoholism...
Posted by: raven | June 27, 2009 1:13 PM
It is perfectly true. The statistics for social problems like teen age pregnancy, divorce, drugs, alcohol, ignorance, and so on are higher in Red states than Blue ones. A lot higher in some cases.
Religious school grads have higher abortion rates than normal people.
It is a factual statement backed up by statistics. It is also a common observation. Ask Mark Sanford and the hordes of fundie religious leaders and politicians about family values and morality. Look what Bushco did in 8 years. Destroyed the US and world economies while leaving piles of bodies and rivers of blood here and there.
Xian morality is a myth. The question isn't whether hypocritical, lying Death Cult xians are better than atheists or secular people. It is, How much worse are they than normal people?
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | June 27, 2009 1:25 PM
The sad thing, of course, is that she will encounter very little resistance in Oklahoma. That state is fucked.
Posted by: Angel Kaida | June 27, 2009 1:27 PM
Ozzy,
I don't know about density of churches, but a google search found this tidbit:
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:
11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.
Posted by: Hypatia's Daughter | June 27, 2009 1:32 PM
Lynna, to spare me from listening to the LushBag, can you explain how is it Obama's fault that a Repug governor is sneaking off to his mistress?
Though, I am beginning to agree with these social conservatives. If everything they do wrong is the fault of someone who was President 8 or even 30 years ago, and even the threat of eternal damnation cannot keep them from sinning, it is obvious that we need a theocracy with public stonings, floggings and burnings to keep them in line. They can't do it themselves, even with God's help.
Why would anyone vote for a party whose leaders don't fix something for 8 years then blame a previous administration when things go tits-up?
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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June 27, 2009 1:41 PM
I believe Limbaugh blamed it on Obama ruining their precious country, and there's nothing they can do about it, and it's driving everybody into desperation; so it's fully understandable that someone would want to run away and hide in the arms of a foreigner.
or, shorter still: Obama is giving the republicans Borderline Disorder by not being a republican and doing republican-ish things
Posted by: Rey Fox | June 27, 2009 2:12 PM
"WHEREAS, we believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis; and
WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and"
Yeah, it's never greed or corruption with these people, it's always sex. They have such one-track minds. No wonder they're always getting caught with underage boys.
Posted by: litlejohn | June 27, 2009 2:23 PM
And douchebaggery! We clearly lead the world. How could she leave out douchebaggery?
Posted by: Citizen of the Cosmos
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June 27, 2009 2:31 PM
Pascalle @ 93
Surely followers of Christ would never be greedy. What's next? Christians being guncrazy and opposed to any measure to reduce poverty? No, I can't imagine that would ever happen.
Posted by: SocialDemocrat | June 27, 2009 2:39 PM
She probably needs to address that proclamation to her own GOP supporters.
Posted by: WTFWJD | June 27, 2009 2:40 PM
Principles of Religion and Morality as put forth in the HOLY BIBLE ???
Their god says the best way to kill pregnant women is to spear them through the belly. Now, there's a religious and moral principle -- for the likes of Jeffery Dahmer.
Posted by: Dr. P | June 27, 2009 2:45 PM
Jadehawk @ 104,
, or to paraphrase, Republicans are such weak willed candy asses that anything threatening their personal agendas will make them run away crying and forsaking their'values' and we should be understanding. Just checking.Posted by: MAJeff, OM | June 27, 2009 2:52 PM
Now, there's a religious and moral principle -- for the likes of Jeffery Dahmer.
Dahmer left women alone. Less misogynist than God.
Posted by: SocraticGadfly | June 27, 2009 3:02 PM
"Mandrake ... it's a Communist plot ... to steal our precious bodily fluids!"
Posted by: Mendelein | June 27, 2009 3:07 PM
We usual idiots at Fark are having a ball with the story but I do have to share this gem. Didn't the bible have something about hating shellfish?
Cake Hunter: WHEREAS, deeply disturbed that the Office of the president of these United States disregards the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;
LobsterFest?
Posted by: Hypatia's Daughter | June 27, 2009 3:30 PM
Thanx, Jadehawk. I thought you were feeding me a "yadayada" explanation. But Ed Brayton has the quote from LushBag and it is as you say.
I really want to ask "What kind of people buy Rush's bullcrap?" but I know them. Some of them are my friends. One of his fans teaches history at a GA college and wrote an op-ed in the AJC supporting him. She is 'entertained and informed' by his show.
I wish there was a God. Because all I can say is "God help us!"
Posted by: Chas | June 27, 2009 4:28 PM
This state is most assuredly not fucked. Our Universities are growing every year and will continue to enlighten the minds of youths. Many of the enlightened will head for greener pastures, but some won't (like me and vhutchison!) and they might even attract a few (National Merit Scholars). The old cronies will die off and we will claim the riches of our determination. And one day our dues paying members will number in the hundreds and you will all feel silly for being so damn pessimistic.
Oh and uh, the divorce and teen pregnancy rate, we'll tackle that soon as well. First of all, poverty and poor education accounts for our teen pregnancy rate but analysts say that we will soon be a very strong economy so I'm going to do the best I can to make sure that comes to fruition. The divorce rate has got to be the Xian thing. Hormone soaked children unable to satisfy their visceral needs? Of course they will marry quickly and irrationally!
Posted by: James F | June 27, 2009 4:37 PM
Well, she convinced me. At first I thought it was enough that Mark Sanford resigned as head of the Republican Governors Association, but now it's clear that he must resign and never hold elected office again. Same for John Ensign.
Posted by: Ashley | June 27, 2009 4:37 PM
I live in Tulsa and love the State of Oklahoma. It's so unfortunate that people like this make us the laughingstock of the entire Union. For what it's worth, there are intelligent, rational people in Oklahoma.... The only problem is very few of us feel like running for office and dealing with the rest.
Posted by: Aquaria | June 27, 2009 4:39 PM
Not your fault, as you didn't write the article, but wouldn't it be more proper to say that he was arrested because he *tried* to do X rather than because he *wanted* to do X? Because, while I don't have any particular predilection for kinky sex acts with underage people, a whole host of things I *want* to do but stop myself from doing for legal or moral reasons popped into my mind.
Where PA draws that line between "wanting to" and "trying to" would depend on their laws. With some states, the mere discussion of wanting to engage in sex with a minor to that minor could get you into trouble, or at least make you a "person of interest" to law enforcement until they actually catch you attempting contact with a minor to engage in sex. Email and chats can provide an evidence trail that can doom a pedo before he can ever fulfill his fantasy.
Posted by: TheDailyJokelahoman | June 27, 2009 6:10 PM
Don't worry, the Oklahoma Atheists are on it.
Posted by: Larry | June 27, 2009 6:14 PM
Sitting here by myself, I seldom ever laugh aloud, but I laughed my fucking ass of after reading Sally Kern's utter bullshit. Dosn't she realize how stupid she is ? Simply an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect; no?
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | June 27, 2009 6:16 PM
Citizen of the Cosmos, #107
Radical conservatives think the poor can't help themselves, and so don't deserve aid. Radical Liberals think the poor can't help themselves, and so need constant aid. Neither thinks of the possibility that effective assistance that takes into account circumstance and capability could make a difference in changing a person's life.
If you really want to help the poor you first change the culture of poverty. That includes everything that enables it, including elements found among the poor themselves. For nothing fosters despair better than the myth that it's the poor versus the rest of the world. The holding on to poverty because it's what they know.
But that's a whole 'nother topic.
Posted by: vhutchison | June 27, 2009 6:28 PM
In this week's edition of the Oklahoma City Gazette there is a point-counter point exchange between a gay activist
http://www.okgazette.com/p/12738/a/4198/Default.aspx?ReturnUrl=LwBEAGUAZgBhAHUAbAB0AC4AYQBzAHAAeAAslashAHAAPQAxADIANwAzADgA
and Sally Kern.
http://www.okgazette.com/p/12738/a/4197/Default.aspx?ReturnUrl=LwBEAGUAZgBhAHUAbAB0AC4AYQBzAHAAeAAslashAHAAPQAxADIANwAzADgA
At last check the many comments on Kern's ignorant post were ALL opposed to her and her stands, further proof that there really are many Oklahomans that oppose such religious nonsense. Unfortunately, there are not enough such folks in her district.
Posted by: Loc | June 27, 2009 6:39 PM
Chas,
Keep up the good work. I also live in a current backwards state, but we're making progress.
One quote from Rep. Kern:
It's nearly beating her across the fucking head and she still can't see that religion != morality
Posted by: Midnight Rambler | June 27, 2009 7:25 PM
maddogdelta @66: that link on her son had a lot of superfluous debate on whether they had the right person or not, this one is better:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080314_1__OKLAH67120
A key quote:
Right.
Posted by: Chas | June 27, 2009 8:37 PM
Thanks Loc! Just as The Daily Jokelahoman said, the Oklahoma Atheists will always try our hardest to keep these people in check. While I was helping man the booth at the Gay Pride Festival this morning we got at least 5 people to sign up for the e-mail alerts we send out for when we eat or people like Richard Dawkins and August Berkshire pay us a visit. We tried to get into it with a Quaker by coining the phrase, "Homophobia is a faith-based disease". The Quaker did not agree and her groupies held her back... it was a close one.
Posted by: Rey Fox | June 27, 2009 8:56 PM
"The Quaker did not agree and her groupies held her back... it was a close one."
Always thought they were so pacifist.
Posted by: hje | June 27, 2009 9:14 PM
She's about one WHEREAS from declaring the secession of OK.
Posted by: Nominal Egg | June 27, 2009 9:37 PM
That's seriously twisted. You live your life solely to appease your neighbors? That's not morality, that's cowardice.Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 27, 2009 9:50 PM
Humm. Well I read that as you sending out notices about when you eat people like Dawkins and Berkshire.
Time for more wine.
Posted by: Ed Darrell | June 27, 2009 10:34 PM
Sorry to get here so late.
A nice person named Higgnbotham sent the resolution to my blog. Notice that some of the quotes are fakes?
So, Kern is asking officials to pledge to fake quotes? What's this?
Kern and her fellow travelers are among the few on Earth who can screw up, wrong.
More to come, probably.
Posted by: Roger
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June 27, 2009 10:59 PM
That woman is batshit insane.
Posted by: Nominal Egg | June 27, 2009 11:01 PM
"I never said half the things I said." — Yogi BerraPosted by: Obdurate | June 27, 2009 11:37 PM
a lurker @ #33 said: "Maybe someone needs to buy a few billboards and actually put Bible verses on them."
I concur. I think many christians plug their ears when they start hearing how horrible the "true word of god" can be. I really would like to buy up some billboards and put up bible verses that hightlight how disgusting that religion can be...and how in the wrong hands it could be used to promote atrocities.
My favorite: Deuteronomy: 13 6-10
13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God
Posted by: Nominal Egg | June 27, 2009 11:43 PM
Obdurate,
Do you expect to fit all of that on one billboard?
Posted by: John Morales | June 27, 2009 11:50 PM
Good point, Nominal. Either of the last two verses would be great, though.
PS Was that original post @33 inspired by Hemant Mehta?
Posted by: WordNerd | June 28, 2009 12:05 AM
I think the Oklahoma legislature is right: clearly, no one there has ever evolved.
Posted by: Nominal Egg | June 28, 2009 12:19 AM
Upon further reflection, Obdurate's favorite could work as a series of signs, like Burma Shave used to do. That would be pretty funny.
I would humbly suggest Leviticus 25:45 (KJV):
Posted by: Chas | June 28, 2009 2:39 AM
@136: Yeah, as if evolution has some goal towards perfection. We have some extremely bright people here, we just can't get people to break from the two party mindset. Generations, now, have voted Repub. and that is hard to shake. Eventually though..
Posted by: antistokes
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June 28, 2009 3:54 AM
I'm noticing a lot of quotes from the Old Testament, which is more fun to quote from with all the angry-smiting-god stuff. But many born-again don't even read the first part of the bible, so here's something from Jesus (Matthew v6):
6: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Underneath it could read: Jesus says to keep your prayers in the closet. (not gay people!)
Posted by: antistokes
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June 28, 2009 4:00 AM
sorry, that's matthew 6:6
Posted by: Bob Evans-aka Metsguy | June 28, 2009 4:38 AM
Zeno, (Comment# 20), said: "Where is Sally Kern's proclamation denouncing the Republican Party for harboring fornicators like Sen. Ensign and Gov. Sanford and demanding that they be stoned to death?"
"I say Sally is soft on fornicators!
What a bald-faced, sophormoric and diversionary observation that is, Zeno. As a former journalist, why are you suggesting that Sally's commentary is, in any way, analagous to the differing circumstances which led a mere, two mortals, who happened to be Christians, to stray from the tenets of their Christian faith? After all, Sally, in the context of her "Proclamation" is speaking in behalf of millions of Oklahoman's in upholding Godly principles handed down by a preponderance of departed Oklahoman's.
Your obsevation is far beneath your scholarship, Zeno.
Posted by: John Morales | June 28, 2009 5:27 AM
Bob Evans, Zeno is an ex-journalist? Interesting.
I fail to see its relevance to Zeno's comment, though.
Posted by: Ragout Legume | June 28, 2009 7:03 AM
Obdurate @ 133: Bible verses almost as Draconian as
those you quoted are up on mammoth billboards along
I-44 in SW Missouri on the way to Tulsa. IIRC there is
an emphasis on the immorality of divorce, i.e. 'putting
away' your first wife.
Posted by: Paul Burnett | June 28, 2009 10:45 AM
I've picked up a Good Thing from following a link to one of Sally's ignorant tirades - a new (to me) abbreviation of one of those timeless philosophical questions:
WWMIBADDSHD
What Would Mostly Illiterate Bronze Age Desert Dwelling Sheep Herders Do?
Sally and her ilk obviously let this conundrum rule every action of their lives.
Posted by: raven | June 28, 2009 11:37 AM
Godly principles handed down by a preponderance of departed Oklahoman's. This doesn't make any sense. I thought those Godly principles were decreed by a Cosmic DIctator called god (supposedly) and distributed by various people and groups claiming to speak for the Cosmic Dictator.
What does dead Oklahomans have to do with it? Have you had a neurology workup lately?
We already spent this thread ripping Kern a new one. The Resolution is full of lies, stupidity, hate, and irrelevant scapegoating. Few believe that Wall Street and the former Whitehouse occupants (the Theothuglicans) , the center of greed and corruption, are really run by gay, atheist, biologists. The Theothuglicans are, in fact largely Kern's variety of poisonous cult xianity.
Kern and you just, once again, demonstrate that fundie Death Cult xian is synonymous with Liar, Hater, Ignorant, and sometimes Killer.
Posted by: Paul Burnett | June 28, 2009 11:56 AM
raven (#100) wrote: "The statistics for social problems like teen age pregnancy, divorce, drugs, alcohol, ignorance, and so on are higher in Red states than Blue ones."
And don't forget toothlessness:
http://www.paulburnett.com/toothless.htm
True Facts...look at the bottom of the page.
Posted by: Paul Burnett | June 28, 2009 12:12 PM
Oops - in #146 I put the wrong URL - try http://www.paulburnett.com/toothless.xls
raven (#100) wrote: "The statistics for social problems like teen age pregnancy, divorce, drugs, alcohol, ignorance, and so on are higher in Red states than Blue ones."
And don't forget toothlessness:
http://www.paulburnett.com/toothless.htm
True Facts...look at the bottom of the page.
Posted by: BK | June 28, 2009 12:52 PM
She uses Adam and Eve as an example for marriage, but I don't recall the bible saying they got married first. It just said "God" made them and told them to start having sex. Since that's the only way to multiply back then, I assuming then the requirement is to have lots of sex, since not every sex act is going to produce a pregnancy. Since that was the very first command ever given, shouldn't that be the most important one?
Posted by: BK | June 28, 2009 12:54 PM
I forgot to mention I was commenting on a link posted earlier.
"Here are her thoughts on Preserving Traditional Marriage"
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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June 28, 2009 1:09 PM
Hypatia's Daughter @103 - To answer your question about Limbaugh blaming Obama for the SC guv jetting off to see his mistress...I was listening to the jackass while my computer was down, on local radio... crudely paraphrased: he said that Obama had broken almost everyone's spirit and people were just giving up, and saying what the hell, our country is ruined I may as well have a little fun.
Posted by: Alyson Miers | June 28, 2009 6:54 PM
She rails against "illegitimate" children and then has the gall to complain about child abuse. Children are either born, or not. No child is any less legitimate than the rest. Marriage is an institution that human beings created, but sex has been around a lot longer than we have. All children are legitimate.
Posted by: Dark Jaguar | June 28, 2009 7:49 PM
I'm sorry about all this. While most of the people I care about are slowly waking up from the shackles of this nonsense, there's still a powerful majority that only ever think in terms of what's okay with their religion. It's this constant viewpoint of "the world" as a sinful place that makes them do this kind of stupid nonsense.
Oh, and an inherited sacred past from Oklahoman founders? What, does anyone in our congress even our own sad history? I mean, it gets taught in school, and let me tell you, not once in any of the schools here where I learned Oklahoma's history did any teacher even try to sugar coat it. The history teachers, at the very least, acknowledge that our founders were pretty far from holy. Forcibly move native tribes to a chunk of land previously determined to be "worthless", change mind after natives are able to make a living on "worthless" land and take over western side, "giving" them the east, then shove the natives once more onto reservations and take over the east side too. Yeah, what sort of principles are these? We are the sad depressing end of the trail of tears here, and for the most part people don't even HAVE state pride (I hear lots of people talking about how wonderful America is, but almost never hear anyone talk about how great Oklahoma is).
Posted by: Texas Reader | June 28, 2009 8:25 PM
If someone asks me what church I attend I reply "none, I don't believe in the supernatural."
That is a great response because christians are either afraid of the supernatural (demons!) or don't believe in what they consider supernatural like tarot cards and ESP. They never think of THEIR beliefs as supernatural.
Posted by: DemoPoke | June 28, 2009 9:38 PM
Oh jeez.
As an Oklahoman, I am so sorry that any of you had to read that drivel from Sally Kern. I am also sad to see some of the comments in this post, but I have to admit that most of them are completely true.
As a person with religious beliefs that I believe should be kept strictly to myself (but a member of a minority sect in Oklahoma and certainly not a fundamentalist), I grow tired of the "Christian nation" rhetoric and the anti-science stance in this state. It benefits no one but close-minded, young earth creationist fundamentalists.
So please, accept my apology for her idiocy. The more sane people here really are doing our best to purge our government of such nonsense.
Posted by: toby | June 29, 2009 5:43 AM
Isn't Oklahoma the place where Andy Jackson sent the Indians on the murderous Trail of Tears? Quite Stalinist to transplant a whole nation.
Years later, when oil was discovered on the land given to the Indians, didn't the state of Oklahoma steal their land AGAIN and give it to white people?
Just, good God-fearing people out there in Oklahoma.
Posted by: toby | June 29, 2009 5:45 AM
Isn't Oklahoma the place where Andy Jackson sent the Indians on the murderous Trail of Tears? Quite Stalinist to transplant a whole nation.
Years later, when oil was discovered on the land given to the Indians, didn't the state of Oklahoma steal their land AGAIN and give it to white people?
Just, good God-fearing people out there in Oklahoma.
Posted by: toby | June 29, 2009 5:47 AM
Isn't Oklahoma the place where Andy Jackson sent the Indians on the murderous Trail of Tears? Quite Stalinist to transplant a whole nation.
Years later, when oil was discovered on the land given to the Indians, didn't the state of Oklahoma steal their land AGAIN and give it to white people?
Just, good God-fearing people out there in Oklahoma.
Posted by: Spiv | June 29, 2009 9:10 AM
"that the Government of the United States of America is forsaking the rich Christian heritage upon which this nation was built"
Can we start a fund to send a copy of The Jefferson Bible to these guys every time another bag of nuts comes up with that statement of stupidity?
Posted by: Bezoar | June 29, 2009 10:01 AM
Oklahoma is NOT OK
Posted by: Me | June 29, 2009 11:24 AM
"If you want to find a hotbed of divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, alcoholism, etc.…just look for a high density of churches."
Yeah, like in Russia.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | June 29, 2009 11:35 AM
Good grief that's the lamest application of that canard I've heard in a while.
Posted by: Steve_C | June 29, 2009 11:50 AM
Hehehe...
Just look at the south and the bible belt.
Posted by: Chas | June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
Yes, OK is the place where the Trail of Tears ended and what the US did here was horrendous. The US also did the same thing to the Navajos. They gave them a "wasteland" that spans NM, AZ and UT. At least, they thought it was a wasteland but they struck oil and now the Navajo are the most successful tribe in North America. My point is that this has nothing to do with what OK is today. Washington D.C. is the region that caused all of the atrocities associated with American Indians yet no one here is going to identify the current administration with what happened in the 1820s or 1890s. We have a bunch of no-brain politicians who get elected by playing to our fears and it has nothing to do with the land run.
Posted by: BlueMonday | June 29, 2009 1:50 PM
@Matt Heath
Didn't read all of the comments, so forgive me if this is a repeat, but that song was voted in by Okies themselves, not the legislature, and it wasn't without its own controversy.
http://blogs.courant.com/eric_danton_sound_check/2009/04/flaming-lips-stir-up-controver.html
He wore a t-shirt that offended the House. The Senate was fine with it, and Gov. Henry overrode the House's embarrassing rejection. But the point is that one branch of the state's legislature couldn't just let even something as innocuous as a rockstar wearing a "Communist" t-shirt slide.
Posted by: Chas | June 29, 2009 3:38 PM
The ACLU is gathering us for a protest http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=96235283117&ref=mf
Posted by: Watchman | June 29, 2009 4:07 PM
Whereass? Thereass!
Posted by: vhutchison | June 29, 2009 8:34 PM
I urge as many as possible to support the ACLU on 2 June. We must counter this b.s. to show people that the Kern blackshirts do NOT represent all Oklahomans. The bad publicity we are getting on national and even international blogs indicates how the Kern Krew is damaging Oklahoma. Such crap will clearly damage the State's ability to attract the high tech, med tech businesses the State desires. The economic impact of Kern, Brogden, Thomsen, et al is NEGATIVE and we need to emphasize that to legislators and others. $$$ is something even the repugs understand.
Posted by: vhutchison | June 29, 2009 8:45 PM
#167. Sorry, the comment was meant to go on an Oklahoma political blog. I am still not sure how it ended up here! However, we do urge all Oklahomans to participate in the counter Kern gathering on 2 June. This will indicate that there are many in the State opposed to Kern's very damaging activities.
Posted by: vhutchison | June 29, 2009 9:53 PM
The ACLU demonstration against Kern is 2 JULY (not June). The details are here:
http://www.acluok.org/NewsEvents/Rep.Kern.htm
Posted by: Chas | June 29, 2009 10:07 PM
Should be a good time.
Posted by: Marilyn | June 30, 2009 8:09 AM
Hold on a minute, Sister Kern! Might it be that our great nation is being punished for prosecuting an unjust war (blessed are the peacemakers), killing more than 4,000 young Americans and uncounted numbers of Iraqis and Afghans (thou shalt not kill) and torturing captives (love your enemies)? If anything is regularly forsaken by Kern and her ilk, it tends to be basic tenets of their religion. As in my own state of Texas, Oklahoma's "christians" have a serious problem when it comes to understanding the import of those tenets. The fruits of theocracy can be seen in Iran now. Serious fantods follow the thought of an Grand Ayatollah named Pat Robertson.
Posted by: MOS | July 1, 2009 10:28 PM
I don't understand how debauchery can be responsible for the recession? After all, the money that's spent on porn, prostititutes, sex toys, alcohol, divorces, same sex marriages, etc. is just more stimulus for the economy...just like gambeling.
Posted by: jay | July 2, 2009 1:09 PM
Do you expect to fit all of that on one billboard?
would make one hell of a Burma Shave sequence
Posted by: fishorthology | July 3, 2009 8:49 AM
Woah Sally, guess what, the 2011 Evolution meetings will be held in Oklahoma . . .