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Good news and bad news from Texas

Category: Creationism
Posted on: July 10, 2009 1:06 PM, by PZ Myers

The good news: Cynthia Dunbar will not be heading the state board of education.

The bad news: the governor picked Gail Lowe, a Christianist sheep, who will probably do whatever Dunbar tells her to do, anyway.

Don't bother cheering, a few faint moans and groans before you Texans buckle up and head back to the front lines to battle the forces of ignorance will do.

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#1

Posted by: Susan | July 10, 2009 1:18 PM

Sounds like it's time to work on picking a new Governor.

#2

Posted by: Savior Breath | July 10, 2009 1:19 PM

Don't bother cheering
No probems here.
a few faint moans and groans
Done.
you Texans buckle up and head back to the front lines to battle the forces of ignorance
Ready.


#3

Posted by: tsg | July 10, 2009 1:20 PM

Dunbar may have been the extreme right misdirection to make Lowe look reasonable by comparison. Now he can claim he's trying to meet them halfway.

#4

Posted by: schism | July 10, 2009 1:33 PM

Well, at least I can say I voted against Lowe before she got (relatively) famous.

#5

Posted by: Ed Darrell | July 10, 2009 1:33 PM

Lowe has voted with education friends, parents and science on a few occasions. The question is whether she will break from the fold now, or will she hold to McLeroy's policies of trying to piss off as many parents, teachers, administrators, and attackers of Ray Mummert as possible.

Bad sign: Lowe is the one who asked that the radical reconstructionist David Barton be appointed to look at social studies curricula. That doesn't mean she's not approachable.

But yeah, it looks like Perry is doing his best to help Kay Bailey Hutchison get the Republican nomination for governor.
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/perry-to-texas-education-drop-dead-but-not-as-fast-as-before/

#6

Posted by: Jadehawk, OM Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 1:47 PM

*sigh* there really wasn't any hope that a sane person would be elected, was there...

#7

Posted by: raven | July 10, 2009 1:59 PM

I doubt if Perry really wanted to appoint anyone but Cynthia Dunbar.

She is a xian Dom, who wants to overthrow the US government and set up a silly theocracy. They've worked so well in Iran, Somalia, and Afghanistan after all.

Wants to destroy public education. Never mind that we've had it for centuries and became the world's last superpower anyway.

Thinks teaching evolution leads to cannibalism and has said so in mailings. Never mind that her moral advisor, Jeffrey Dahmer, was raised in a fundie xian houselhold.

Sounds just like Perry's kind. He probably did the calculations and decided that Dunbar would cost him a few votes down the line. It is the difference between appointing a rat and a rat with lipstick and glasses

#8

Posted by: JD | July 10, 2009 2:07 PM

Dumbbar wins by proxy. It's a Jebus thang.

#9

Posted by: advertisinglies | July 10, 2009 2:11 PM

Yikes, poor Texas school children:

In 2004 Ms. Lowe opposed requiring that publishers obey curriculum standards and put medically accurate information about responsible pregnancy and disease prevention in new high school health textbooks.

In 2007 Ms. Lowe voted to throw out nearly three years of work by teacher writing teams on new language arts standards. Over the strenuous objections of teachers and curriculum specialists, Lowe instead voted for a standards document that the board’s far-right bloc patched together overnight and slipped under hotel doors the morning of the final vote.

In 2003 and 2009 Ms. Lowe supported dumbing down the state’s public school science curriculum by voting to include unscientific, creationist criticisms of evolution in science textbooks and curriculum standards.

#10

Posted by: CW | July 10, 2009 2:50 PM

Yikes, poor Texas school children
Considering the impact Texas standards have on textbooks- Yikes, poor American school children.
#11

Posted by: IBY | July 10, 2009 2:57 PM

So, some nutter is not chosen for the board of education, and so they choose another nutter? Smart. This is never going to end...

#12

Posted by: tsg | July 10, 2009 3:06 PM

So, some nutter is not chosen for the board of education, and so they choose another nutter? Smart. This is never going to end...

It's the usual result of trying to compromise with extremists.

#13

Posted by: D. C. Sessions | July 10, 2009 3:10 PM

So who didn't expect a lot of song and dance once you mix learners with Lowe?

#14

Posted by: DGKnipfer | July 10, 2009 3:13 PM

This is worse than Cynthia Dunbar being selected. It would have been easier to get her nomination shot down. Gail Lowe, being less controversial herself, will be less objectionable to the more moderate legislators. Perry is just putting a puppet in place since he can't put an ally in place. Makes me wish I was still a Texas resident just so I could have a right royal scream at my legislator. Then again…

#15

Posted by: arrakis Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 3:17 PM

To borrow from the hallowed Dr. Seuss:

A nutter's a nutter,
No matter how small.

#16

Posted by: Glen Davidson Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 3:23 PM

Symbolically it's better, at least.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p

#17

Posted by: Felix | July 10, 2009 3:42 PM

A pro-censorship, anti-sex-ed, homophobic global warming denier.

Have fun, gais!

I for one will be laughing, happy that I'm very far away. Yeah, some days I'm an asshole like that. ;)
And to boot, I'll be having a Weizen Dunkel now. Cheers, PZ!

#18

Posted by: Isaac Alec Mills Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 3:45 PM

Oh look, another fundamentalist. Except instead of this one being crazy and having come to these in her own right, the new choice is the follower.

I'm sorry Texas, you seem to have just received a parrot as your education director.

#19

Posted by: tsg | July 10, 2009 4:06 PM

You know, I do this trick with my son, offering him two choices: the one I want him to do and one much more detestable from his point of view. He's eight and he's figured it out.


#20

Posted by: Stardrake Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 4:09 PM

Now, now, Isaac--that's a really terrible thing to say.

Parrots are much more intelligent than Fundies.

Better tempered, too...

#21

Posted by: Blaine | July 10, 2009 4:15 PM

How is this not surprising at all? Such a sad state of affairs in this day and age when I can't even begin to work up any outrage over the appointment of a fundie to an educational board. It just seems so common place these days, even cliche. This whole episode just comes off like a really bad reality TV show (Fundie Swap perhaps?), with the Governer as the hose.

#22

Posted by: Blaine | July 10, 2009 4:15 PM

How is this not surprising at all? Such a sad state of affairs in this day and age when I can't even begin to work up any outrage over the appointment of a fundie to an educational board. It just seems so common place these days, even cliche. This whole episode just comes off like a really bad reality TV show (Fundie Swap perhaps?), with the Governer as the host.

#23

Posted by: Alyson Miers | July 10, 2009 4:35 PM

@#9:

What exactly did she have against the new language arts standards? Does she think good grammar is anti-Christian or something?

#24

Posted by: Pedro Timóteo | July 10, 2009 4:36 PM

But... but... sheep have MANY uses.

:)

#25

Posted by: tsg | July 10, 2009 4:42 PM

Perry must be following the words of Judge Smails:

"Well, the world needs ditch-diggers, too."

#26

Posted by: Desert Son Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 4:56 PM

Ok . . . fine . . .

. . . still work to do. It's 103 F / 37 C in Austin today. Can't understand why so many people think "hot as hell" has some literal counterpoint, and worse, why they think everyone else should believe so, too. Well, back to it.

No kings,

Robert

#27

Posted by: Doug Little | July 10, 2009 4:58 PM

At least the court system is still upholding the law when it comes to this matter. They can't really get away with much otherwise they will get sued into oblivion. Of course it doesn't stop them trying.

#28

Posted by: shamar Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 5:36 PM

Again...I was dumbfounded whed we re-elected Perry in the first place.

I voted for Kinky Freidman.....and I hear that he's running again as a Dem next time.....

#29

Posted by: Ryan Egesdahl Author Profile Page | July 10, 2009 5:38 PM

I'm torn between being happy I don't live in the state of Texas anymore and sad for those that still do. Gawd, what a god-soaked shithole that place is at times!

#30

Posted by: CJ :) | July 10, 2009 6:05 PM

*sigh* I'm so glad my youngest graduated in June.

#31

Posted by: MadScientist | July 10, 2009 6:31 PM

@CW: That's why I'm hoping the governator's plans to get rid of textbooks in California actually works (I doubt it's a dumbass Dunbar inspired plot). Let university teachers and dedicated primary and secondary teachers collaborate to write what goes in and if you need a dead tree edition you can shop around for printers. It should also be a good starting point for having greater cohesion in schools across the nation. Such projects would require a lot of work and coordination between hundreds of organizations, but it can be done and I imagine a decent textbook in any subject can be created in under 2 years. On the other hand, the opposition to change will be huge - there are too many cavepeople out there that don't like change.

#32

Posted by: Ed Darrell | July 10, 2009 8:11 PM

So who didn't expect a lot of song and dance once you mix learners with Lowe?

Okay, there's the thread winner. A pun reference so obscure only inveterate Broadway fans and historians would note it.

It takes one's breath away.

#33

Posted by: Newfie | July 10, 2009 8:52 PM

Looks like Olby didn't get the memo... he just did a rant on Dunbar and Perry.

#34

Posted by: Savior Breath | July 10, 2009 9:52 PM

So who didn't expect a lot of song and dance once you mix learners with Lowe?
Okay, there's the thread winner. A pun reference so obscure only inveterate Broadway fans and historians would note it.

It's what the simple folk do.

#35

Posted by: Josh | July 10, 2009 10:42 PM

"She appointed David Barton to the so-called 'expert' panel for the social studies curriculum revision." Scary.

But surely more people than "inveterate Broadway fans" know My Fair Lady and Gigi? They were movies, after all.

#36

Posted by: freelunch | July 10, 2009 10:54 PM

So who didn't expect a lot of song and dance once you mix learners with Lowe? ...

But teach proper science, you're regarded as a freak
Oh why can't the Texans
Why can't the Texans
Learn to teach!

#37

Posted by: freelunch | July 10, 2009 11:00 PM

mutter, mutter, preview is my friend...

But surely more people than "inveterate Broadway fans" know My Fair Lady and Gigi? They were movies, after all.

That must be why the governor was heard singing "Thank Heaven for Little Girls" after he announced his choice.

#39

Posted by: Kseniya | July 10, 2009 11:56 PM

"She appointed David Barton to the so-called 'expert' panel for the social studies curriculum revision." Scary.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? Barton, a known (and self-admitted) quote-fabricator and liar?? Holy frakking toaster spawn, Admiral!

#40

Posted by: raven | July 11, 2009 12:59 AM

sourcewatch David Barton:

Christian Historical Revisionism
Described as a "Christian historical revisionist," Barton is attributed with not only authoring the following quotes which "the culture warriors of the Religious Right never tire of repeating ... ad infinitum and ad nauseam, ..." [2]

"The United States of America are a Christian Nation."
"The founding fathers were evangelical Christians."
"Church-state separation is a liberal myth."
but is also credited with making up supporting quotes, "such as the following one that is completely bogus, but still circulating in Christian Right circles."

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." --fictional quote attributed to James Madison.

David Barton goes around lying about US history. This is very Orwellian. But really, it is way older. The devil is considered the father of lies. Fundie xianity looks a lot like what a satanic cult would look like, complete with a monster god and repulsive, dishonest, amoral followers.

#41

Posted by: Autumn Author Profile Page | July 11, 2009 1:31 AM

Yeah, I know, violence is wrong, but maybe someone in Austin can at least manage a cream pie or a water balloon every time this twit appears in public?

#42

Posted by: Midnight Rambler | July 11, 2009 2:12 AM

#14:

This is worse than Cynthia Dunbar being selected. It would have been easier to get her nomination shot down.

Wouldn't make much difference. They aren't confirmed, they can only be removed later and the legislature won't meet for another two years. Either one could do plenty of damage in that time (and still can; don't forget that McLeroy is still on the board as well).

#43

Posted by: gb | July 11, 2009 2:45 AM

Alberta (Canada) is often referred to as 'Texas of the North' because of its large creationist population. Fortunately our education system is still in fine and competent hands, and perhaps, can be a model of what Texans can look forward to if they keep the pressure on the educators to teach good science. Here in grade 11 science class they do teach a bit about ID through the use of the Landmark Trial case Kitzmiller vs Dover via the Nova film Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial.
(need to scroll down to about the 9th reference)

http://education.alberta.ca/search.asp?q=cache:IikmtIPB2q0J:lrc.education.gov.ab.ca/pro/resources/item-course-p.htm%3Flanguage%3DE%26levelgrade%3DG%26subject%3DSC%26levelgradeno%3D11%26pagesize%3D25%26currPage%3D4+evolution&site=EdNew&client=EdNew&access=p&ie=UTF-8&output=xml_no_dtd&proxystylesheet=EdNew&oe=ISO-8859-1

#44

Posted by: JohnnieCanuck Author Profile Page | July 11, 2009 2:56 AM

Someone's been out in the Desert Sun too long. One way or the other, it's hotter or colder than you say, Robert.

Even our 26°C high was a little warm for working outside for me.

#45

Posted by: Troy Author Profile Page | July 11, 2009 4:22 AM

Is it possible for you to change the way these board members get elected, so it doesn't depend on random political circumstances but on the grounds of professional standards?

It seems really odd that you have such system in the first place.

#46

Posted by: village1diot | July 11, 2009 4:32 AM

#38
Texas Citizens for Science

http://www.texscience.org/
--------------------------
Yup, they are on top of the situation.

The "News" page isn't really "News" anymore

Last updated: 2004/07/25

#47

Posted by: Aquaria | July 11, 2009 5:29 AM

#45:

Something other than voting in the creeps wouldn't necessarily be better. Who would pick a board of education? Do you realize that all branches of government here are held by people who dance so well to the Religious Right's tune that they're a hayseed Joffrey?

We're screwed here in Texas, no matter what method is used to deal with education. The only recourse we have left is to alert the rest of the nation, so that they can howl with laughter at us. Or for some brave soul to file suit. Ridicule and legal smackdowns are the only things that keep this state from taking a flying leap into the stupid abyss.

What's sad is that this situation is better than what we had, before the 80s, where 2 blisteringly stupid theotards sell-appointed themselves as arbiters of what Texas kids could learn. If you want to know why Texans are so profoundly ignorant today, beyond their own laziness and arrogance, blame the Gablers. At least now the textbook selectors are in the open, where we can all see. Makes it easier to point and laugh at them.

#48

Posted by: Troy Author Profile Page | July 11, 2009 5:45 AM

Well, university professors of different fields would elect/be in such boards like in normal countries...
You Americans are really weird.

#49

Posted by: matt | July 11, 2009 8:42 AM

normal countries...what the f@#$ ?
You Americans are really weird.

well at least they havent passed a blasphemy law... yet! lol

#50

Posted by: Tired | July 11, 2009 10:24 AM

I agree with #48. Pick someone who is qualified. If you are an ignorant, deluded idiot, you're probably not qualified.

#51

Posted by: debaser71 | July 11, 2009 11:53 AM

Here how it works. Threaten to appoint a loon. Receive some backlash. Then appoint a lesser loon and everyone is relieved. Remember Bush and Harriette Meyers?

#52

Posted by: Genghis Jon | July 11, 2009 12:49 PM

Any compromise with falsity is like a compromise between food and poison, but even the ignorant douche-nozzles advocating their ignorant poison probably believe that. How are you people still able to get angry at these people? I had to move past the point of disgust onto amusement for my own mental health sake, but then again, I live in a state that is probably worse than Texas...

#53

Posted by: Joseph Kelly | July 11, 2009 1:21 PM

Christianist? Do we really need more -ist names to call each other?

#54

Posted by: Heidi | July 11, 2009 2:24 PM

Rational Texans, you have my sympathy.

#55

Posted by: charley Author Profile Page | July 12, 2009 8:45 AM

Here is Lowe smugly citing geologic evidence for the Noah's flood.

#56

Posted by: James M. Martin | July 13, 2009 8:15 AM

Sadly, getting rid of The Hair will not do us any good: Kay Bailey Hutchison is waiting in the wings. She will depart the U.S. Senate to run against Perry in the next Repub primary for the governorship. She isn't any better. Curiously, John Cornyn (our other senator) acknowledged on Fox Noise Sunday that "thirty percent of my electorate is Hispanic" (when questioned about his position on Sotomayor), and you'd think these people, voting as a block, could install a Dem in the governor's mansion, but it doesn't manage to happen. It will be The Hair or the mindless blonde bimbo. Either way, we will continue to get dangerous lunatics heading our state board of education, working toward having creationism taught side by side as science in our public schools.

#57

Posted by: James M. Martin | July 13, 2009 8:19 AM

Sadly, getting rid of The Hair will not do us any good: Kay Bailey Hutchison is waiting in the wings. She will depart the U.S. Senate to run against Perry in the next Repub primary for the governorship. She isn't any better. Curiously, John Cornyn (our other senator) acknowledged on Fox Noise Sunday that "thirty percent of my electorate is Hispanic" (when questioned about his position on Sotomayor), and you'd think these people, voting as a block, could install a Dem in the governor's mansion, but it doesn't manage to happen. It will be The Hair or the mindless blonde bimbo. Either way, we will continue to get dangerous lunatics heading our state board of education, working toward having creationism taught side by side as science in our public schools.

#58

Posted by: Evolved Dolly | July 13, 2009 8:47 AM

@24

All you need is velcro gloves and wellington boots, or a kilt and a cliff if you're Scottish...

:-)

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