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David Kingsley—Fishing for the Secrets of Vertebrate Evolution

Category: ChicagoDarwin2009DevelopmentEvolutionScience
Posted on: October 31, 2009 11:56 AM, by PZ Myers

This talk should put me back in my comfort zone—developmental biology, evolution, and fish, with the stickleback story, one of the really cool model systems that have emerged to study those subjects.

What is the molecular basis of evolutionary change in nature? How many genetic changes are required to produce new traits? Which genes are used? What types of mutations? Few or many changes required?

The dream experiment would be to cross a whale and a bat and figure out what their genetic differences are. That's impossible, so they searched for other organisms with a suite of differences that were crossable...and they picked the 3-spined stickleback.

Sticklebacks are migratory between salt and freshwater, and post-glaciation, they colonized many freshwater lakes and streams. The marine phenotype is ancestral, and freshwater species have many differences...but because these differences only evolved in the past 10-20,000 years, and they are crossable by artificial insemination.

Fish are small, easy to collect, and have segregating genetic traits. They have disadvantages: no sequences, no clone libraries, no genetic markers, no linkage maps, no transgenic mehtods when first worked out. Now they have dense genetic and physical maps, a complete genome sequence, whole genome transcriptome arrays, genome wide SNP studies, and high throughput transgenics. Zoom.

Specific questions: hindlimb reduction occurs in many vertebrates. Marine sticklebacks have substantial pelvis, pelvic spines, and fins. Some of the freshwater populations have lost the hindfins in cases where predation is low, calcium is low, and there are many insect predators.

Crossing marine and freshwater with pelvic reductions identified single chromosomal region that explains 65% of the variance. They also have candidate genes: Gli3, Fgf10, Shh, Fgf8, Fgf4...most interested in ones expressed only in hindlimb: Pitx1, which maps directly to chromosome involved in reductions.

The protein coding region of Pitx1 is identical, but there is a tissue-specific loss of expression in the developing pelvic region. This is a gene of large effect.

Knocking out Pitx1 in mice yields reduced hindlimbs and death before birth. Regulatory changes are more focused and specific; cis-acting regulatory changes FTW!

Still need info. What base pairs have changed? Single or multi-step mutations? Same or different events in different populations? Are there hotspots?

Doing fine mapping of the defect: there are some populations that are dimorphic, in which the mutation is not yet fixed. They've identified a 20kb interval upstream of Pitx1 that is correlated with the differences. This sequence has been tied to a reporter gene, and it does contain a pelvic enhancer.

Can they reverse the change? Couple the 20kb sequence with a Pitx1 gene, put that in a pelvic-reduced fish, and presto, it restores a full and beautiful pelvis and pelvic spine. They think they have the right region.

Looking at different pelvic-reduced populations suggest that this pelvic control region is the target of many independent mutations. Is the Pitx1 gene predisposed to mutation? Sequence is full of repeats, might be comparable to a fragile site. This is a flexible region of DNA. Four of top ten flexibility scores in the whole stickleback genome are right in that 20kb region. The upstream coding region also exhibits other signatures of selection.

Another trait: armor plates. Marine forms are heavily armored, many freshwater species have reduced armor. Similar crosses have identified a region on one chromosome that accounts for much of the variation. Similar crosses done for skin color.

Pelvice, armor, and pigmentation mutations are all in regulatory genes. Mouse and human mutations in these same genes cause all sorts of severely deleterious effects (again, likely to be regulatory changes, not changes in the genes themselves). They are not knockout mutations in the fish, but only regulatory changes.

Same genes are involved in independent mutations in stickleback populations -- how far might this similarity extend? The genes involved in stickleback pigmentation (kitlg) are also involved in human pigmentation variants. Variations in regulatory regions of kitlg account for 20% of the pigment variation in human populations, and these regions also show signs of selection. Currently injecting constructs with fish regulatory genes into mouse embryos and getting changes in pigmentation.

They've mapped many other traits to QTLs in the fish genome, but only 3 have been dug into deeply enough -- lots of work left to do!

Interestingly, marine fish carry a haplotype for the variant alleles used in armor plating and pigmentation at low levels (0.5%-1.0%), and these are subject to selective sweeps in new freshwater populations that drive them to fixation. So we see the same alleles emerging with high frequency in different populations.

Fabulous stuff. I'm struggling to restrain myself from doing a Homer-like gurgle. Mmmm, sticklebacks.

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#1

Posted by: Bob O'H | October 31, 2009 12:51 PM

If he's discussing plate number, can you ask him how much variation he sees in plate number within EDA morphs? Particularly the partially plated morph. I've been arguing with some colleagues about this this week. :-(

#2

Posted by: Steve | October 31, 2009 1:07 PM

Obviously the yumyum fish of genetics.

#3

Posted by: Aero | October 31, 2009 1:40 PM

Very nice coverage and really has my interest. One thing, when I saw FTW, I wondered for several minutes what Fort Worth Meacham airport had to do with anything. I'm alright now.

#4

Posted by: llewelly | October 31, 2009 1:45 PM

A little off-topic, but has anyone else here read Jack Horner's How To Build A Dinosaur? He writes about the possibility of creating a "chickenosaurus", by starting with a chicken embryo turning various genes on or off to make it more like a non-avian theropod. SGU interviewed Horner on this topic. So far it's a wonderful book, but I'm not done with it yet.

#5

Posted by: Ray Moscow Author Profile Page | October 31, 2009 1:52 PM

Sean Carrol had a 2005 paper in Nature on variations in sticklebacks. Apparently the major change in the pelvic spines are caused by a variation in a single control gene.

In sticklebacks we see a major change in morphology in a very short time, less than 10,000 years at most.

#6

Posted by: Benjamin Geiger | October 31, 2009 2:00 PM

llewelly:

Yes, some of us have. (For the record, I haven't. Yet.)

#7

Posted by: PZ Myers Author Profile Page | October 31, 2009 2:06 PM

I asked about the armor. The range is from head to tail in marine species, most freshwater have reduced it to a few anterior plates, and some have gone all the way to reducing it to no armor. About 70% of the variation is accounted for by the Eda locus. It may take contributions from multiple loci to completely remove the armor.

#8

Posted by: InfuriatedSciTeacher | October 31, 2009 2:31 PM

Ray> Not having access to the Carroll paper, is that morphological change a result of genetic differences of ontogentic plasticity, like what seems to be showing in the latest findings out of Losos' lab?

#9

Posted by: InfuriatedSciTeacher | October 31, 2009 2:33 PM

2nd "of" was meant to be "or"... fingers and keyboard aren't getting along today.

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Posted by: chuckgoecke Author Profile Page | October 31, 2009 2:53 PM

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#11

Posted by: chuckgoecke Author Profile Page | October 31, 2009 2:57 PM

I almost forgot my comment, PZ, when eating stickleback sushi, be careful of the spines, I've heard they can get stuck in ones throat.

#12

Posted by: Bob O'H | October 31, 2009 3:00 PM

I asked about the armor. The range is from head to tail in marine species, most freshwater have reduced it to a few anterior plates, and some have gone all the way to reducing it to no armor. About 70% of the variation is accounted for by the Eda locus. It may take contributions from multiple loci to completely remove the armor.
Thanks! Our fish look a bit different to this (we do know Eda is in there). Annoyingly, nobody puts up histograms of the number of plates, so we can't see how much variation there is.
#13

Posted by: Draken Author Profile Page | October 31, 2009 3:18 PM

The dream experiment would be to cross a whale and a bat and figure out what their genetic differences are. That's impossible

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#14

Posted by: DM | October 31, 2009 4:00 PM

Ray @ #5: The paper you are referring to was published by David Kingsley, not Sean Carroll and in 2004, not 2005.

InfuriatedSciTeacher @ #8: The change in morphology is clearly genetic.

#15

Posted by: Ray Moscow Author Profile Page | October 31, 2009 4:26 PM

Sorry, I misattributed the article. It was for Natural History, not Nature. Here's a link: http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/features/061488/the-origins-of-form

Page 4 has the discussion of stickleback discussion, and he references David Kingsley's work, which as you note was published earlier.

#16

Posted by: thefishiologist | November 4, 2009 2:01 PM

Kingsley also works with the Schluter lab at UBC. They've done some really cool studies on stickleback speciation in small lakes on the BC coast. In many lakes, there are 2 phenotypes of sticklebacks - a benthic form (large & fat, they hang around in the shallows and pick things off the bottom), and a pelagic form (small and lithe, they hang around in the open water eating zooplankton and the like). These two forms CAN interbreed, but don't - they prefer to mate with others that look like them. So they're on their way to becoming separate species. However, in a few of the lakes where the 2 forms occur, crayfish were introduced. The crayfish literally muddy the water in the littoral zone, making it difficult for the sticklebacks to see one another when they go to mate. So in the lakes with crayfish, you find that the 2 phenotypes are starting to interbreed, and the distinct separation between the 2 forms is disappearing. There's all sorts of people trying to protect these lakes now to allow these species to evolve in peace. Super-cool evolution in action. I love it!

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