…and this is a 
It's always good to be able to categorize and explain relationships in the world.
I'm going to have to ponder this further, though. The Mummy is clearly in the same region as Frankenstein, but does the infectious nature of lycanthropy put the Wolfman in the same category as Dracula? I guess if zombies count as converters, so do werewolves. Curiously, the modern monsters of slasher flicks, the Freddies, the Michael Myerses (no relation), the Jasons, seem to have avoided the converter/contagion element of other movie monsters.
Discuss.
Comments
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 7, 2009 12:58 PM
That's what you want us to believe.
Posted by: Scott M | November 7, 2009 1:08 PM
Heh. Whenever I get challenged about calling Jesus a zombie I can use this graphic.
Posted by: squareone | November 7, 2009 1:13 PM
This clearly shows the divinity of jesus by the convergence of a trinity of qualities.
The other monsters are two dimensional by comparison.
Posted by: Don | November 7, 2009 1:19 PM
Strictly speaking, zombies don't have followers but merely infect others. And Dracula at least exercised quality control - it wasn't about the numbers. And Frankenstein wasn't resurrected, he was the resurrector.
Other than that, very good.
Posted by: Aelfric | November 7, 2009 1:20 PM
I should think, though undead, Dracula counts as "resurrected," no? Perhaps we need a category of "reanimated?"
Posted by: Benjamin Nelson | November 7, 2009 1:24 PM
Aelfric, I noticed the same thing. But then strictly we'd have to put Dracula in the same category as Jesus. Which makes long-standing sense of my pet view that Jesus was the first vampire, so maybe it's not a bad idea.
I'm not sure who would replace Dracula though. The Pied Piper? He's not really a monster.
Posted by: Wandered In | November 7, 2009 1:25 PM
Dracula never came back from the dead. He was the first, after all, and in any case you don't 'come back' after a vampire bites you. If they give you some of their blood as well, then you simply transform, but you never flop over all dead and corpsified then stand up again (unless you are the offspring out of wedlock of a Sumerian tribal deity). Now, if this were a Nosferatu, maybe...
Posted by: Anon | November 7, 2009 1:27 PM
Makes me think there is a market for a new horror movie--hordes of shambling, thorn-crowned Christs, revered and feared by the local visitors who don't run, but rather line up to eagerly offer their brains to Him with long-handled spoons. The real horror is that by the time the Christs show up, it is already far too late--the sickness has been spread long ago by the various strains of priest, pastor, preacher, pontiff and proselytizer. As the movie's hero (an atheist, naturally) comes to realize in the final reel, this new horror does not need to be strong, or fast, or powerful, or even ruthless: the victims quite willingly throng toward the Christs. Like reverse zombies, the closing credits show normal humans heading off to church in the morning--the Norman Rockwell scene now imbued with our horror of realization, the rosy-cheeked little tykes now seen as petri dishes for Jesus.
Posted by: The Science Pundit | November 7, 2009 1:29 PM
Let's not forget that Dracula's conersion ritual involved people drinking his blood. I can't think of any monsters where "followers" would eat the monster's flesh. Maybe Blanc Manges from the Andromeda galaxy? Nah! Only non-Scottish boring couples eat them.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 7, 2009 1:34 PM
I think we need to differentiate between the resurrected and the undead. Vampires and zombies are undead whereas Frankenstein's monster and Jebus are resurrected.
Posted by: Don | November 7, 2009 1:37 PM
#10
You have to die before you become a zombie. It's pretty quick, but you are at least briefly dead.
Posted by: TheoDoersing | November 7, 2009 1:38 PM
Awesomeness all around! This post is much more deserving of Sagan Day status than the lunar loonie post.
I hope nobody cares because I'm stealing that awesome graph!
Posted by: Aratina Cage
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November 7, 2009 1:51 PM
Of all those, Jesus resembles Frankenstein the most with bolts coming out his hands and feet and his being born, killed, and then brought back to life. But really, Jesus is most like Candyman (not listed) since the cross and prayer can instantiate Jesus to fight off vampires just like calling "Candyman" three times into a mirror.
Posted by: The Science Pundit | November 7, 2009 1:57 PM
I doubt anyone here would mind, but I'm guessing that the person who made that Venn diagram would probably want attribution (click on the picture for the original source--he's got some other funny ones, but this one's my favorite).
Posted by: not a gator | November 7, 2009 2:06 PM
That's clearly a typo for "fear and revile", the only little nit marring the perfection of this ingenious graphic.
(For those who haven't read the Babble, people in Jesus' home town thought he had got hisself a big head wid all his wanderin' preachin' n' stuff and done fergot he weren't nothin' but a country carpenter. They actually ran him out of the synagogue one Saturday. So "revere", not so much.)
Posted by: not a gator | November 7, 2009 2:09 PM
::shudder:: Who would actually eat a blanc mange?
I use them as cheeky decorations for my dining room.
Posted by: el donaldo
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November 7, 2009 2:14 PM
If only it were just some local townspeople, then Christianity wouldn't be much of a problem - it'd be more like a localized zombie cult.
Posted by: ckitching
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November 7, 2009 2:16 PM
Does that make Judas the first vampire hunter?
Posted by: Elaine | November 7, 2009 2:23 PM
@ Don (#4)
Strictly speaking, zombies don't have followers but merely infect others.
Unless you're talking about old school pre-Night of the Living Dead zombies. They didn't really have followers themselves, but were converted into zombies that were forced to do the bidding of the Voodoo witch doctor. Not sure how that fits in, but someone smarter than me can figure it out.
Posted by: Capital Dan
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November 7, 2009 2:25 PM
I really wish this Jesus punk would stop mucking up my beloved zombie ouevre. He's giving them a bad name.
Ooo... New Bon Jovi song:
Nailed to a cross
and we're to blame
He gives zombies
a BAD NAME!
[cue pyrotechnics]
Posted by: gillt | November 7, 2009 2:27 PM
PZ: "the Michael Myerses (no relation)"
Yeah right
Posted by: gillt | November 7, 2009 2:30 PM
"But then strictly we'd have to put Dracula in the same category as Jesus. Which makes long-standing sense of my pet view that Jesus was the first vampire, so maybe it's not a bad idea."
You practically wrote Ann Rice's next book.
Posted by: dogmeatib | November 7, 2009 2:32 PM
If you're going to be correct, and try to fit other, more modern monsters into the diagram, then first, Frankenstein should really be Frankenstein's Monster (who actually seemed the most "human" of the characters to me). You could then plug in Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers (need evidence that there isn't a relation there), and Jason Voorhees to that part of the diagram.
Depending on the story & background, Dracula isn't necessarily the first vampire, just one of many. The story behind Vampire (the role playing game) was that Cain was the first vampire, that the mark of Cain was vampirism. Other stories have it beginning with Judas, IE the silver, crosses, etc.
Of course the reality is that all of these creatures are mythical, so... ;o)
Posted by: Tuomoh | November 7, 2009 2:33 PM
Both Dracula and Jesus sleeped in coffin (Jesus only a shorter time.) They both promise to give longlasting life with some kind of special power (Faihth healers stronger than other christians). They both sell "new life", (born again vs. vampire) And blood is major part in this process.
And mostly promises aren't keeped, and followers just turn plain stupid (christian pampfletthrowers vs. ghouls/vampireminions.)
In this vann -diagram it fits surprisingly bad..
Posted by: The Science Pundit | November 7, 2009 2:34 PM
Well, if it's from the Andromeda galaxy, then only a non-Scottish, unassuming couple would. ;-)
Posted by: Vincent Poffley | November 7, 2009 2:35 PM
Surely scientific Zombiology has advanced beyond the stage that we can still classify all zombies under one heading? It depends whether you're talking about the classic brain-eating virus zombie (ambulocorpus romerii), the traditional voodoo zombie (ambulocorpus baronsamedii) or the kind of zombie magically created by an evil necromancer (ambulocorpus nigromantianus).
And the Institute of Advanced Vampire Studies would be turning in their graves to think that we Pharyngulites still can't tell the difference between nosferatu transylvanianus, nosferatu sunnydalensis and nosferatu lesbia (the mating habits of which are documented in an unusually large number of field studies).
Posted by: Irene Delse | November 7, 2009 3:01 PM
And where does the Thread That Refuses to Die stand? It certainly makes lots of converts and is revered by the locals!
Posted by: Rey Fox | November 7, 2009 3:11 PM
I believe it's "Michaels Myer."
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 7, 2009 3:20 PM
It could be Michaels Myers.
Posted by: Phodopus
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November 7, 2009 3:22 PM
Just saying, could we adopt the correct denomination of Frankenstein as the scientist and Frankenstein's Monster (or FSM) as the creature? Just for political correctness...
Posted by: Bob Johnson | November 7, 2009 3:25 PM
Studies indicate that monster/slash/ slasher flick as a genre has evolved over time according to the law of Occam's Razor to the simplest form understandable to the lowest common denominator of the current population of moviegoer. The external morphology of such selection pressure is to lose any extra plot twists or character development which may confuse the viewer or detract from the action/violence/sex. Hence, our current "monster" is a one-demensional bad guy, totally lacking Venn diagram potential, destined to become a mere dot in a solitary outer corner. As an example take R. Comfort and his many YouTube flicks - he is clearly one of the one-dimentisonal characters who resides in the purple area of "Convert as many..."
Posted by: kzk | November 7, 2009 3:30 PM
for those of you attempting to discuss the vampire aspect of the graph...I submit the following
Count Orlok - Phantom of the Night that drinks the blood of his victims. Predecessor to Dracula. First appeared in 1922's Nosferatu.
Posted by: Mr T | November 7, 2009 3:34 PM
That's awesome.
However, PZ is right to ponder. We must now contend with the profound implications, such as whether this can be reconciled with: Zombie Jesus, Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter, JC in the 'Hood, Mutant Vampire Zombies from the 'Hood, Vampires vs. Zombies, Alien Jesus, sexual predators who believe in Jesus, Aliens vs. Predator, and Alien Loves Predator (among others).
Posted by: Don | November 7, 2009 3:37 PM
@Elaine #19
Fair point, but old school voodoo zombies couldn't convert/infect others.
Posted by: Troy Britain | November 7, 2009 3:48 PM
Don't be silly, lycanthropes are a in different category than your vampires etc.. They are neither undead or resurrected from the dead but rather cursed with a form of eternal life.
Come on PZ you should know this.
Posted by: Vincent Poffley | November 7, 2009 3:50 PM
@32 Actually Count Orlok, of the 1922 F.W. Murnau horror classic Nosferatu, was originally meant to BE Dracula until Bram Stoker's estate sued Murnau over copyright infringement, forcing him to change the characters and plot somewhat. If you want the real predecessors to Dracula then you need to go back to the 1840's penny dreadful serialisation Varney the Vampire, and ultimately to John Polidori's 1819 short story "The Vampyre", featuring the first recognisable modern fictional vampire of them all - Lord Ruthven. For the last common ancestor of Dracula and the lesbian vampire, see J. Sheridan Le Fanu's 1871 novel Carmilla.
Posted by: Gary J. Bivinj | November 7, 2009 4:04 PM
In any case, they're all mythical.
Posted by: Hank Fox | November 7, 2009 5:12 PM
Does this mean Jesus is a blood-sucking, undead, patchwork man?
Posted by: Scott Hatfield, OM
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November 7, 2009 5:45 PM
Perhaps instead of a Venn diagram, we should imagine the three domains as hyperspaces whose boundary condition is to express the negation of what is bounded.
After all, Dracula wants to drink your blood, zombies want to consume your flesh, and Victor Frankenstein eventually perishes after attempting to destroy his creation.
Whereas Jesus supposedly offers his own blood and his own flesh to others, as part of some scheme to save the world. A curious inversion!
Posted by: Richard Eis | November 7, 2009 6:47 PM
-Dracula never came back from the dead. -
Actually if you are bitten by dracula you die first, then become a wandering spirit. You are also pretty free(except for the thirst) so mindless isn't right either. It is quite clear some people don't know their dracula.
I should also point out that according to the chart dracula isn't in the "resurrected" overlap.
I suggest he therefore gets replaced with the pope.
Posted by: cicely | November 7, 2009 6:52 PM
Anon @ #8, I would totally pay money to see that. At full, first-run theater prices, yet!
Heck, I'd even buy popcorn.
Posted by: jfatz | November 7, 2009 7:06 PM
It seems rather appropriate to use this website with all of them:
http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/bennyhillifier/?id=C0c5yClip4o
Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook
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November 7, 2009 7:44 PM
I would like to defend the blancmange. As long as it is made well, it is a delicious dessert. If you are trendy you would know it as pannacotta. If you are a soft-core mediaevalist, you make it with almond milk and rosewater, rather than cream and vanilla, and it is brilliant. If you are a hard-core mediaevalist, and add chicken or fish, please do not invite me to dinner.
Has anyone else seen Jesus Christ, Vampire Hunter?
Posted by: speedweasel
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November 7, 2009 7:44 PM
On the topic of zombies, I just returned Left for Dead 2. The first one was an absolute riot but the sequel just feels like Disney's 'Zombies on Ice'.
Call that a warning to all the computer game nerds in our ranks. What's that? It's just me? Figures.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | November 7, 2009 7:45 PM
Weren't both Godzilla and King Ghidorah resurrected? I think they belong in the same category as Viktor Frankenstein's monster.
Posted by: Michelle R | November 7, 2009 8:24 PM
@Speedweasel: Now you're making me cry. I was really looking forward to that game.
Posted by: Kyorosuke | November 7, 2009 8:27 PM
David @45:
Well, Frankenstein's Monster's whole gimmick is being ressurected, whereas Godzilla (and Jason, Micheal Myers, and Superman...) were only resurrected after they had already been established. A better example would be Freddy Krueger might be a better example; his origin explicitly involves his dying and being resurrected as a kind of dream-spirit thing.
Then again, King Ghidorah was later turned into a cyborg, which is actually not too dissimilar to Frankenstein's Monster...
Posted by: The Science Pundit | November 7, 2009 8:39 PM
Thanks for the defense, Cath! And now for something completely different ...
Posted by: AJ | November 7, 2009 8:46 PM
Jesus - Historical Figure
Frankenstein - Horror movie character
Zombies - Horror movie (video game) characters.
If Jesus wasn't the Son of God, He was a better actor than Frankenstein and zombies.
Posted by: Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. | November 7, 2009 9:30 PM
Yes, but did Jesus ever meet Abbott & Costello?
Posted by: Bith | November 7, 2009 10:54 PM
The picky part of me wants to fix it from saying "Frankenstein" to "Frankenstein's Creature" or "The Creature" but it's an actually funny pic so I'll let it go :P
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 7, 2009 11:32 PM
As has already been pointed out, King Ghidorah becomes a cyborg controlled by the Futurans. However our hero, Godzilla himself, is never killed. He's often critically wounded and takes time to recover (which also allows Tokyo to be rebuilt so Godzilla can destroy it again*). Godzilla doesn't die, no matter how badly he's hurt.
*"Because of its unique geographical and cultural features, Tokyo has always been particularly vulnerable to deadly onslaughts by oversized lizards, moths, and the like," explained a spokesman for the Tokyo Anti-Monster Department. "But the national government has consistently played down that threat, saying that developing monster defense technology is not cost effective. But Tokyo--particularly the owners and residents of urban skyscrapers--end up paying the price for the government's callus disregard of reality."
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM | November 8, 2009 12:01 AM
about as historical as Robin Hood and King Arthur...
Posted by: Efogoto | November 8, 2009 1:27 AM
Yeah, but that was a copyright dodge to circumvent Bram Stoker's widow. They just changed the name and went with the story. The first part of the movie is nigh identical to the plot of Dracula.
Posted by: Equisetum | November 8, 2009 1:44 AM
Has anyone seen their birth certificates?
Didn't think so.
Posted by: John Scanlon, FCD | November 8, 2009 1:50 AM
Huh, and I thought the new gods in (American) popular culture were the serial killers. They're pretty much omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent (no religious person ever really believed in 'omnibenevolence' anyway), there are an indeterminate number of them active on your block (so you can certainly worship a trinity if you like that sort of thing), and they have the unprecedented advantage, compared with traditional deities (or vampires/zombies/reanimated corpses), that some of them have been proved to actually exist.
Posted by: Eidolon of middle Georgia | November 8, 2009 2:01 AM
As to Dr. Myers' question about the classification of the Werewolf: The lycanthrope has had many different forms over the past centuries. Which one should you choose to fit into this trinity?
I'd go with the character illustrated by Lon Chaney, Jr. in the 1941 movie "The Wolf Man."
That werewolf sees the lycanthropy as a curse on himself. He doesn't want to kill others, and he doesn't want to infect others. He's basically a loving guy. Local towns people fear him, but they do not revere him. They don't know that he doesn't really want to hurt them, and that doesn't matter because he ends up hurting them anyway, until he dies, beaten by the silver cane. He is at peace then, knowing that when he's dead, he will not hurt anyone again.
He does not fit into this trinity of sets. He's got his own set that might overlap 'Local towns people fear and revere him,' but he's not fully in that set.
I believe this is accurate because I saw the movie many times, and I glued together the plastic model of this horror character (and all the others) in the 1960's. But I could be convinced otherwise.
Posted by: Dan | November 8, 2009 2:51 AM
I think this may help you to understand;
Years ago,after leaving the armed services, I was abducted by Grays that are working for "the Federation".
The Federation is "a NATO type organization", of Grays,
Reptilian, Moth men,(all non human types about 42 different beings mostly violent military males ) different recessive beings too, that are discussed in various
contact books, and thousands of internet sites for the smart people to learn and study.
I was taken to the Federation by physical, barely visible in our spectrum.. I used infrared/spectrum lenses goggles,to see them
race of sub space beings. Regressive Beings working with Grays, called the White Brotherhood. After my negative experiances
of many years I learned from the Grays themselves ,(they abducted me for sperm, surgical removal, as they do with womens eggs all around the world),
This is what I know to be true: 1. all extraterrestrials are physical carbon based,
silicon based, or molecular based beings,including the ones who use magnetic field tecnology to cloak themselves, travel or
appear as a humans, i.e. stable plasmon technology. These technologies can be detected with geiger counters,
and magnetic field detectors sold "on line", directional is preferred....find the electrical devices on them,and around them in their nearby craft.
For your homes and cars..some of the Gray and reptilian devices can be disrupted by Mhz frequency devices built at home,
someone could make a small fortune selling better portable particle and wave detection, and disruption devices for our pockets.
High voltage tazer weapons as well, work. As with hand held powerful battery operated magnets,in close proximaty some can interfere
with gray technologies. Magnetic shielding paint can shield a room in your house where no EMF or ELF is detected! Other
races of sub space
beings have technology that I have seen, are defended against with hand lasers, built at home!!
2.Critical, we are not the only humans in the universe or multiverse...there are humans from Lyra, Pleadians,
Andromidan, Cassiopeian, Simion and billions more! 3, Even more important the Gray Federation is using Religion to "Dumb Down",
all of us on earth. 3. All Religions are false, there is no god, only Extraterrestrials and human support groups from other
worlds, the earths which NASA is just now locating are inhabited.
Our military is being attacked by the Grays ,(google on the internet), and
Reptilian Federation all the time, all the time, The shootings at Army bases world wide are mind controlled by the Gray Federation,
as is the sweat lodge incident , 911, and the current state of our economy and health...chem trails,
( 8-120 MHZ broadband mind control technologies piggybacked on T.V. cell phone and cable, important for you to remember).
A strategy used by the Grays and others is to mind control in the name of Religions, a not so well informed
person into doing the killing or attack on our government. Obama needs to know this as he has been manipulated openly by the federated grays,
those of us who understand Gray, Reptilian Military mind control Strategy and Tactics( for example...
Jesus is my mentor and I
am speaking with him now, no!! Jesus is dead It was told to me Jesus did exist , but he is dead it's an ET who learned earth languages.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
It is not Obamas fault,
nor is it Hilliary Clintons fault...it was not President Kennedy fault, but the Gray military Federation did kill him in part
because the Grays and others did not want us in Space.
It's being done mainly because these other types of ET"s, Grays, reptilian Snake beings, insectoid which are more technically advanced
and regressive in the way they think and act are working together against humans, abducting women for there experiments etc.
As we speak somewhere on earth a child is being abducted for food by the reptilians, and or for DNA by the grays I know!!!
There are technologies you can buy to protect yourselves, guns, tazers high volts, mind brain protection velostat caps,velostat 3M
shielding material also works in many labs with high emf use.
at home depot, particle dectors magnetic particle detectors...Critical infrared binoculars,
portable magnetic field room detectors, they have through chem trails and dropping poisons form the ships into our water supply,
use water filters and A/C hepa filters, our government needs to do more to protect its population.!! WE must invent
better ways of protection against these recessive extraterrestrial races, mind defense technologies and home shielding as well
as robots to detect and defend!!!
Have extra food at home for your family, it is no coincidence that in the movies on
abduction and on aliens we are seeing a lot of ET films, on T.V. "V", house, etc...They are signaling massive problems ahead,
maybe another war? The humans from hollywood, like me are trying to through this note, and films to
inform you of the risks we are in! 2012, alien mind control, H1N1 gray federation attacks on humans.
The Gray Federation ruined myself and family like they did with Alex collier, and Billy Meir, Michael Salla and others... I know about the
Photon belt we are entering please look it up on the internet...many friendly human races are trying to help us now
When I was at the Gray army here in Santa FE, N.M.base, I did see many things, I have a PhD, I'M a quick learner and
can now read their sumerian type alphabet and words... I was taken on one type of craft they use, how they fly and what they use in them...the saucer
shaped craft use electrical batteries as propulsion power, in the middle of some saucers there is a large circular ceiling to floor
barrel structure it contains lithium type batteries extremely high voltage charges. The craft are made of layered and compressed metals titanium compounds,
the outer skin is electrified to reduce and eliminate drag and atmospheric resistance. Inside the saucer is a network of Compressed
frequency transmitting fiber optics for controls and for ON BOARD GUIDENCE SYSTEMS, SIMPLE. THEY USE THE EARTHS MAGNETIC AND GRAVATATIONAL FIELDS TO FLY.
THE COPPER CLINDER CIRCLES ON TOP OF THE CRAFT AND BOTTOM SPIN, PICTURE TWO SMALLER CIRCULAR DISKS ON TOP AND BOTTOM
SPINING INDEPENDENTLY OF THE SAUCER. THEY CHARGE UP..THAT DIFFERENTIAL OF CHARGES INTERACTS
WITH A PLANETS OR SPACES MAGNETIC FIELDS FOR LIFT AND MOVEMENT. THE SAUCERS ARE SHIELDED TO PREVENT EXPLOSIONS AND TO PREVENT
MAGNETIC FIELD INTERACTIVITY......(THE OUTER SHELL IS CHARGED UP TO FLY W/O RESEISTANCE, IT STINGS when touched electrical pulse).
...I'M NOT A PHYSICS MAJOR BUT DID STUDY SOME ENGENERING.
They are trying to mind control our socities through Mhz frequency control, we think in about 11-80 Mhz,
and they use computers and oscilloscope combo. type MRI type equipment to read thoughts as we read print or a scientist reads peaks on a
graph, as well as gravitational field tech. to beam in false info.
Shield your brains and spinal cords!!!
All of our military and armed forces should wear velostat (signal protection electrical grounded materials on your head)
caps and monitor the frequency changes around them, the
government of the USA ours, needs to be informed of the grays methods and take steps to help each other, protect our
families people this is real....(people in Britian were not ready, prepared for WWII, Study military history )
...(we have a very weak and complacent military/police/NSA/CIA/) The Grays have even infiltrated some gov't individuals
in these agencies.......................!!! Just because you were in church on sunday and you see people speaking in tongs,
falling to the floor, and saying they are talking to god? there is no god only ET groups, ET governments.
Love
Dan
P.S. This was written under partial duress......they know where I live. Pass the info on.
The Federated reptilian/gray/insectoid societies are using harmful
technology to harm the human mind, causing
memory loss and fatigue...FIGHT BACK, I use the above mentioned technology
and when I go out and they start to harm my body with high intensity back spasm devices
i.e. microwave, particle , mind control. I use my mind and picture each attacker
being attacked by me. They hate loud music, food odors, perfumes, light, and our
minds killing them...! I keep a gun and tazer by my side always now!!!
Listen to this highly educated old man, if you see a craft these are not dolls, these are recessive
violent, harmful, controlling alien males..read the info on the net with a grain of salt,
why haven't they come forward? They wont because of violent abductions, use logic.
Protect your brains!!! stay away from them, Betty and Barney Hill were assaulted,
all of the abduction cases are harmful rape and kidnapping humans, we in the USA have laws
against these crimes yet our government turns in another direction. Because they control some
people in our not one world gov't yet.
Space is alot more crowded than most people know, extremely dangerous NASA knows..Our Rocket
systems and defense systems are frail...
Connect the dots.........biology, secrect governments, mind control, abductions,
alien tecnologies genetic and magnetic, and we wonder where
they come from reverse designs from crashed UFO...dreams!
Posted by: Troy Britain | November 8, 2009 4:58 AM
Vampires, zombies, mummies, Jesus...
What about pygmies + dwarfs?!?!
Posted by: Draken
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November 8, 2009 5:07 AM
If anyone was in doubt as to the psychopathology of Sonia Jensen: meet Dan.
Posted by: Richard Eis | November 8, 2009 6:34 AM
-If anyone was in doubt as to the psychopathology of Sonia Jensen: meet Dan.-
They should meet each other...but stand well back when they do.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 8, 2009 6:45 AM
I don't believe a word of Dan's screed. He didn't mention anal probing once.
Posted by: llewelly | November 8, 2009 7:17 AM
Dan. You've been misinformed. Extraterrestrials are not molecular based beings. They're based on neutrinos. That's why they're so hard to detect.Posted by: llewelly | November 8, 2009 7:25 AM
Dan. I'm very sorry, but your script is all mixed up. The boasting about engineering prowess belongs in the young-earth-creationist screed.Posted by: Ian | November 8, 2009 8:57 AM
We have created our own Frankenstein's monster, with all the moral pitfalls outlined by Mary Shelley, by imbuing corporations with personhood. But where Frankenstein's monster was tormented by the philosophical and moral dimensions of his existence, our monster has no such qualms, reveling in greed and deceit.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | November 8, 2009 9:43 AM
Dan, you are not highly educated. Apart from your spelling (it's engineering, you see), you don't know shit about biochemistry (or in fact any chemistry) or physics (nuclear physics, electromagnetics, anything), and, most importantly, you don't know what sleep paralysis is. Hint: you have it.
Maybe try sleeping on your belly instead of on your back, let alone on your side...?
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Oh. My third-hand information on Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was wrong. Godzilla is not resurrected (after he was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer in 1954), he's independently recreated due to some time travel mess.
Posted by: PaulC | November 8, 2009 10:43 AM
"Frankenstein should really be Frankenstein's Monster"
Yes of course. The other one I hate is when people say "Ford" when they mean "Ford's motorcar."
Posted by: mas528
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November 8, 2009 11:43 AM
No.
Frankenstein(like Ford) WAS the monster.
His victim was "the creature".
I might mention that usa media voodoo zombies did not infect each other, but a priest made them into mindless automatons.
This is very similar to the Dracula legend.
Posted by: AJ | November 8, 2009 11:59 AM
I love the Abbot and Costello movie -- when they meet Frankenstein.
They're both dead so I'm sure they've met Jesus -- hopeful it was a good meeting.
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 8, 2009 2:36 PM
I think it is amazing to see a thread about zombies and vampires being sustained so well by people who dont believe in the "soul"
PZ Myers thinks its good to categorize and explain relationships and I do too! SO.............
Jesus (completely unlike the others in the graph) has LOVE for humans and wants us NOT to be afraid.
He spoke in public and in the daylight and He cautioned us to be skeptical about the motives of people who do in the darkness what they dont want to be seen.
Finally, Jesus' resurrection gives (many of) us something we actually WANT. The story has a happy ending.
Lion (IRC)
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM | November 8, 2009 2:49 PM
Then you have have imagination, and we enjoy having fun with these discussions.Now you are just Lyin' Lion. You have shown absolutely no physical evidence that Jesus is anything other than a myth, ergo, you have nothing but a lie by using the name. But then, you always are about a guinea short of a pound when it comes to real evidence for your inane claims. Here's a clue Lyin' Lion, your babble is fiction/mythology until you demonstrate otherwise. The same for your imaginary god. Get to work on that demonstration of real evidence. Until then, quit trying the presupposition argument. You will be called on it every time, like now.Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 8, 2009 3:02 PM
That's why the Bible goes into descriptions of Hell and how easy it is to go there.
Posted by: JohnnieCanuck
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November 8, 2009 3:59 PM
WANTING is actually the basis of faith. For the Christian individual, it's wanting to live forever, wanting certainty, wanting a father figure to be loved by, wanting protection from disease and disaster, wanting to be special in the universe, wanting magical power (prayer), wanting to have social support from a group, wanting to please family, and more I'm sure.
For rulers and priests there is in addition, wanting power and/or wealth.
For those who want to believe, these all have such strong emotional appeal that the intellect only has to submit to a little (!) ongoing wishful thinking. Usually it works best when the self deception is set in place in childhood well before critical thinking begins.
Often a very strong intellect can be observed to be struggling to keep its emotional chains in place by producing quite clever arguments. Ultimately flawed arguments, but still sufficient to fool themselves and others.
I suspect that one of the reasons we see people proselytising with so much fervour is that it is a way of burning one's bridges. Once the appeal for others to believe is out there, the doubts that continuously plague a believer are held down because recanting would be an embarrassment. It also seems that, for those that find they can make a living out of preaching, sooner or later many of them lose their belief but keep the job.
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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November 8, 2009 4:02 PM
Err, PZ? I got a call from the Union of Monsters and Supernatural Creatures. Their representative (a highly exciteable Banshee) wishes to convey the outrage of the global preternatural community at being directly likened to the central figure of one of the most blood thirsty and oppressive religions in the history of mankind. They are threatening to sue for flagrant species discrimination against the 'living-impaired'.
The Union say that they expected greater solidarity from a servant of the Elder Gods. They are holding a blood rite next week to commune with Lord Cthulhu himself to lodge their complaint. The vampire Black Ribboners are especially annoyed. They say that they don't see the point in forcing themselves to only drink really strong black coffee when this is the kind of treatment they can expect.
We also have a problem with your follower Benjamin Nelson's impolitic remark about Jesus being the first vampire. Vlad Tepesh stormed into my office just an hour ago and picked me up by my neck. I thought I was about to be in urgent need of a replacement quart or two of the red stuff, but he was not there for a snack. His exact words were;
"That child-raping . . . err, should that be mother raping? Whatever. That holy bastard is no ancestor of mine! I impaled countless Ottoman's for him and what did I get? Dozens of risible Hammer House of Horror movies and Leslie Nielson taking the p**s, That's what I got! You tell that Benjamin Nelson that he and I are going to have a nice little chat one dark night. Real soon.'
At this juncture I made a batman movie joke. Vlad didn't find it funny. He threw me out through the door of my ofice. Fortunately I was not too badly injured. A quick trip to the ER and I was right as rain. Except for the arm he ripped off, but that's covered by company medical insurance. First Angel, now Vlad. What is it about vampires and my appendages?
One angry vampire is the least of our worries (Though I hope that you are not too attached to Benjamin. I think his health is about to take a turn for the worse). In this ultra-Politically Correct atmosphere, I do not have to tell you how ugly a lawsuit could get. An out of court settlement may be our best option at this point. You know how tight-tentacled our cephalopod master is. If we cost him money unecessarily he will likely turn both our hides into his new wallet.
As you pararnormal attorney, I await your instructions.
Yours sincerely,
Lindsay, Junior (very junior) Partner, Wolfram and Hart Los Angeles Office.
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 8, 2009 5:44 PM
Hi Nerd OF Redhead,
You know.....
Your - "STOP SAYING JESUS!" mantra would have much more credibility if I was the person who mentioned His name in the FIRST place. I didnt. If you dont "believe" me - Look UP
In fact, you will find that PZ Myers INVITES us to discuss the (false) comparisons with Jesus. I think he wants us to consider the matter more carefully.
Actually, to be strictly correct, the graph doesnt just say Jesus.
It says "Jesus Christ"
Thank you PZ Myers!
More blogs about Jesus.
Amen.
Lion (IRC)
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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November 8, 2009 5:57 PM
Lyin' Lion, you are lying again. I never say "You can never say Jesus again". I say, "You have shown no conclusive physical evidence for your god, bible, and Jesus, and I will keep bugging you as a presuppositionalist liar and bullshitter until your produce such evidence". Good physical evidence; what separates the scientists from the philosophers, and godbots from reality.Only if you are willing to put up the evidence that you aren't a liar and bullshitter. We know which side PZ is on, and that is the side of god and Jesus as fiction/mythology. So, start finding that conclusive physical evidence. I'll suggest the eternally burning bush as a starting place.Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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November 8, 2009 6:06 PM
Oh, and Lyin' Lion, if you are a man of honor and integrity, you will not mention god, the bible, or Jesus until you have presented your conclusive physical evidence. That is another point I keep trying to make. But then, the religious, like yourself, are not people of honor and integrity like scientists. Rather, they tell falsehoods at the drop of a hat, or even before...
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 8, 2009 6:27 PM
Hi Nerd of Readhead,
I see you can't even have a discussion about THE Jesus Christ mentioned by PZ Myers in the graph above - even when you think He was a myth.
Go on...try....maybe you can do it..?
Ask for help if you want.
Try debating Jesus versus Dracula even if it IS from an atheist perspective. Think of it as chewing gum for the mind.
Lion (IRC)
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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November 8, 2009 6:31 PM
Lyin' Lion, you avoid physical evidence like you know you are both wrong, and you know you have nothing. Keep up your Lying and Bullshitting for Jebus™. We have your number, so nobody will be paying any attention to you except to laugh at your inanity, like do. Bwahahahahahaha. What a stupid fool.
Posted by: Antiochus Epiphanes | November 8, 2009 6:37 PM
Lion IRC--I think that you are missing the obvious. Its not Dracula versus Jesus, but Dracula and Jesus as a TEAM. Jesus can turn wine into blood, right? And Dracula would know how to handle those pesky Romans because he's all worldly and shit. Here's the Battle Royale; Dracula and Jesus versus the Wolfman and Buddha in a closed cage for the monster/religious figure head rumble team of all time.
What can I say? I'm like Don King with this shit.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | November 8, 2009 7:08 PM
Lion IRC, your metaphorical jaw is as slack as your real-life mind; the gum has already fallen on the floor unchewed.
Let's say Jesus existed as a person - you know what that adds to the evidence for your religion - in the sense of your god existing and Jesus being in some way (since the Christians themselves can't seem to agree on exactly what the relationship is) his agent being true?
Nothing.
A guy tells stories, which people remember and write down - so what? Siddhārtha Gautama existed, as did Mohammed and Zoroaster, Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard; by your logic we must also accept Buddhism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Mormonism and Scientology.
So, until you find a way to show that those belief systems are any less valid than your own, you can take your gum and jam it up your stupid, ignorant ass.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM | November 8, 2009 7:17 PM
it would help if you showed any evidence at all that the comparisons are false. so far you haven't done so.Posted by: Lion IRC | November 8, 2009 7:55 PM
Did you see that Nerd of Redhead?
Jadehawk OM is INVITING me to discuss the comparisons.
Jesus / Dracula. (Would that be OK with you?)
For my Dracula source material I shall use Ann Rice.
For my Jesus source material I shall use the bib..........
err, excuse me...I meant to say religious text of disputed origin.(Phew. that was close! I almost triggered a flood of instant - "The Bible isnt true" -replies
Jesus shed His blood FOR others. (Willingly)
Dracula wants others to shed their blood for him. (Unwillingly)
Now. If, I'm not mistaken, thats 2 major point of difference. Give/Take Willing/Unwilling.
I have dozens of other examples to prove my point.
Wanna hear them Nerd of Redhead?
Lion (IRC)
PS – Don’t tell me - let me guess your reply. There's no God, Jesus us a myth, I dont accept your evidence, youre just a… → insert unusually witty and original insult here ←
Posted by: Janine The Ineffable, OM | November 8, 2009 8:00 PM
Asshole, here is what Jadehawk said: it would help if you showed any evidence at all that the comparisons are false. so far you haven't done so.
She is not inviting you to comment, she is asking you for evidence.
Are you truly this witless in real life or do you act like a buffoon online on purpose.
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | November 8, 2009 8:02 PM
Your point is that a fictionalised version of a person who might have existed (Jewish storyteller known as Jesus) is different from a another fictionalised version of a person who did exist (Vlad Tepes, aka Dracula) - so what?
Explain how it matters and maybe you'll have something we'll listen to.
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM | November 8, 2009 8:02 PM
Lion, did you fail 6th grade?
Dredging up red herrings doesn't count as debating the comparisons presented. Stop drifting off topic; stop your theatrics; focus on what's presented and quit whining.
And anyway, the way you become a "follower" of vampires is to drink their blood. So even your red herring fails.
Lastly, that's one point, not two. Your math skills suck worse than your discussion skills.
Posted by: Aratina Cage
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November 8, 2009 8:02 PM
Lion IRC,
You misunderstand. It is OK to compare and contrast the character Jesus with Dracula, just don't go try and convince of of the truth of your religion or tell us that science is false using the Bible or the teachings of your church.Posted by: PZ Myers
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November 8, 2009 8:05 PM
You're turning into an obnoxious godbotter, lyin' irk. Knock it off. Proselytizing and pretending that praisin' jebus = rational argument are bannable offenses in these here godless parts.
Posted by: Janine The Ineffable, OM | November 8, 2009 8:09 PM
You're turning into an obnoxious godbotter, lyin' irk.
PZ, you are mistaken here. The asshole was an obnoxious godbotter from the very start. He never had to turn into anything, he always was.
Posted by: The Pint
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November 8, 2009 8:19 PM
@ Gregory Greenwood #74 - you owe me a new keyboard and a pint of Guinness to make up for the one that was spilled on said keyboard when I read your post. That was just about the funniest (and geekiest) piece I've read all day. Good show! Are you sure you're not penning humor fanfic in your spare time?
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 8, 2009 8:22 PM
What Janine said.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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November 8, 2009 8:39 PM
Lyin' Lion, none of them proved your point. Quotes =/= physical evidence. Even a moronic godbot like yourself should understand that. Physical evidence can be inspected by scientists to determine the veracity of your inane and insane claims. Now, an eternally burning bush would prove your point. Anything less, no, it actually proves mine. Until then, just another Liar and Bullshitter for Jebus™.You got it backwards you idiotic godbot. You have to prove the existence, we don't have the prove the nonexistence. That is the default by parsimony. Another lie for you. You are very good at false witness. As you notice, people are getting tired of your lies. Time to put up or shut up. Welcome to science.Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble OM4Jesus
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November 8, 2009 8:44 PM
SMOGGY BATZRUBBLE: Dear Jesus, Brother Lion IRC wants to compare you to Dracula. How do you feel about this?
JESUS CHRIST: Cool! Finally I’m being compared to something with a bit of mystery and stage presence. Not some fucking lamb, or good shepherd, or equally saccharine shit.
SB: You don’t feel such a comparison is . . . demonic?
JC: Hell no! I get on very well with vampires. Both Dracula and I have had bad experiences with crosses.
SB: You know Dracula?
JC: Know him? He’s my hero. He's the reason there are so many vampires in my One True Catholic Church.
SB: There are? Why?
JC: Well, it’s to do with the fact that vampires prefer blood to wine. And as you know, transubstantiation creates my blood from wine. This fact explains why all the world’s vampires are Catholic. No vampire ever misses midnight mass. And by drinking my transubstantiated blood a whole lot fewer humans get attacked and drained of their fluids.
SB: You almost sound as if you wish you were Dracula.
JC: Well, Smoggy, if you had to be a fictional character, wouldn’t you choose to be the handsome, mysterious one that lives in a castle and terrorizes people? And compare the women! The Brides of Dracula are inevitably scantily clad and sensual harlots who will suck anything you wave in their direction. Have you seen the Brides of Christ? They dress for the most part in shapeless sacks and are more reminiscent of senseless succubi than sensual suckers.
SB: Wow, Jesus, I hadn’t thought of that.
JC: Yes, Smoggy. And what about the other jokes? The fact that Dracula can be transfixed by a stake isn’t nearly as bad as being transubstantiated into steak.
SB: Snort!
JC: It's not funny! You ask any actor whether they’d rather play Jesus, the Prince of Peace, or Dracula, the Prince of Darkness. I’m always cast as a pansy god-botherer, who looks like a flower-child and who gets tortured and crucified in my loincloth. Dracula gets to look like Tom Cruise and scare people shitless. I’d take ‘Interview with a Vampire’ over the ‘Passion of Christ’ any time.
SB: Amen!
Posted by: Janine The Ineffable, OM | November 8, 2009 9:14 PM
Smoggy, I have to wonder about Jesus' taste if he would rather have Tom Cruise as a vampire as opposed to Christopher Lee. Here is an other question, would Jesus rather have Ann Rice still writing soft porn vampire novels as opposed to her current god direction?
Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble OM4Jesus
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November 8, 2009 9:30 PM
Dear Sister Janine,
Yes, the Tom Cruise thing worried me as well. I fear my loving savior is a closet scientologist.
Jesus did say he quite liked Ann Rice's steamy tales of sex and blood and bloody sex. And as there's a surfeit of bad christian writing and a dearth of good vampire writing, my guess is he prefers pagan rice to christian rice. Let's face it, vampire stories aren't nearly as silly and far fetched as bible stories. Rice should stick with the remotely plausible.
Oops... sticky rice...I just made an accidental joke...how will you atheists ever take my Christian mission seriously?
Smoggy
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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November 8, 2009 9:51 PM
A question for the ages, Smoggy dear.
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 8, 2009 10:49 PM
OK - so....
The thread begins by inviting a comparison between Jesus and vampire/zombies/reanimated mutants. (Did you ACCIDENTALLY get the attention of the wrong people PZ Myers? - Sorry)
Everything’s going along nicely. Posts 1 to 69 very interesting. Lots of views about whether there is any differentiation. Posts 9, 33, 23 and 57 are especially good.
THEN I made the mistake of asserting that Jesus could be strongly differentiated. I'm not stupid. I understand that we are comparing the Jesus in your imagination with the vampire in your imagination.
You are not being proselytized! Relax! Put down your charms and amulets designed ward off sneak attacks.
Argument. That Jesus is NOT like a vampire/zombie.
Evidence (so far) Based on the characters as they appear in their respective books. (yes yes, I know! You don’t believe the bible for the 100’th time)
Vampires take blood / Jesus gave His.
The act which defines vampires is not based on love / Jesus acted out of love.
Vampires fear the light / Jesus warns about people darkness.
Zombies/vampires souls are at best opaque at worst non-existent./Jesus had the same loving soul after His resurrection.
Now – if you take away the bible as the source for determining Jesus’ character then Ann Rice and Bram Stokers books disappear as the basis for the Venn diagram ALSO!
Lion (IRC)
PS – Jadehawk – did you mis-type when you effectively said to become a vampire you need to be a vampire. I have read many vampire novels. All dramatize the process that a person becomes a vampire after THEY have been attacked BY a vampire. Once a vampire they have no free will to then decide whether to “become” a vampire.
Whoops – I just said “free will”. Oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Run everybody! Gather up your children. Lock your barn doors. It must be a proselytizing theist mind-control trick.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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November 8, 2009 10:58 PM
No, just a stupid godbot who thinks he is presuppositionalist smart ass. You have nothing cogent to say, and prove it every time you post. Boring idjit troll.Posted by: Janine The Ineffable, OM | November 8, 2009 11:03 PM
I'm not stupid.
Bullshit.
Also, you sad sack of toxic sludge, no one is scared of what you have to say. They are bored by the tedious nature of your blathering.
As for the many works that becomes less meaningful with the bible out of the equation; I stand in fucking awe of your insight. Seeing that the bible is one of the most well read works of the last couple thousand of years,bits and pieces of the that book can be found everywhere. Even we atheists are aware of this.
But all you do is pull out of your ass that every topic somehow supports you assertion of a deity. But you never give proof of your assertions. You just give your smug appeal of being reasonable while you slime everything.
There is no proselytizing theist mind-control trick. There is only a dumb fuck who thinks too highly of himself.
Fuck you and everything you stand for.
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 8, 2009 11:05 PM
Hi PZ Myers,
I have assiduously avoided that part of the Venn graph which refers to converting people. Proselytizing in this blog would be a lazy, cheap shot and I prefer St Francis’ approach to preaching. He preferred to only use words as a last resort.
Lion (IRC)
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM | November 8, 2009 11:13 PM
Lion, you fail at vampire lore.
If you get bitten by a vampire, you die. Only if you accept the blood of the vampire do you become one yourself. And at least in some stories, you're given the choice between death and eternal life. Sound familiar?
Posted by: Janine The Ineffable, OM | November 8, 2009 11:14 PM
Proselytizing in this blog would be a lazy, cheap shot and I prefer St Francis’ approach to preaching. He preferred to only use words as a last resort.
Please, be honest for once, take that advice and do other actions before you use words here.
Besides, it would seem that this is an admittance that you are here to testify for your deity.
Fuck but you are dense.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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November 8, 2009 11:14 PM
Whereas we scientists prefer evidence as the first resort. There is no evidence that your deity exists, and your babble is anything other than myth/fiction. If you think otherwise, you must either show your conclusive physical evidence to support your supposition, or fade into the bandwidth. Welcome to science. Any other response will probably get you justifiably plonked.Posted by: Antiochus Epiphanes | November 8, 2009 11:15 PM
(LRC: The graph is a joke...nobody thinks Jesus was a vampire...however, St. Francis DEFINITELY was)
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 9, 2009 12:20 AM
Hi Antiochus,
When you say "the graph is a joke" does that mean people shouldn’t get so worked up?
I agree. Look at the invective that’s going on here.
And I haven’t even gotten close to anything remotely like proselytizing.
Not Proselytizing
Vampires are like THIS – Jesus is like THAT. Your proposition and analysis are both flawed.
Proselytizing
Stop talking about vampires and instead listen to The Good News as follows………….
Lion (IRC)
PS PZ NB - Pretending that praising Jesus equals rational argument ??? Nope – two different things entirely.
Posted by: Sanction, Inherent Antonym
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November 9, 2009 12:30 AM
Irk, you have the intellectual capacity of a runny egg. Scramble yourself.
Posted by: Lion IRC | November 9, 2009 1:12 AM
Hi Sanction,
I will have to let your post be the last I see on this thread. I waited patiently for someone to make some counter arguments that vampires/zombies ARE like Jes....
Wait….(Lion consults the Venn Diagram again...oh yeah! "Jesus Christ" to be exact)
But all I got by way of argument was… idiot, loser, moron, ignorant, dense, FU, toxic sludge, dumb, slime, liar, 6th grader and runny egg.
Too much off-topic digression into the dangers of subversive invisible proselytizing. Too much “…..oh it was all just a joke” … “we didn’t really want to actually think about the Venn diagram in any detail”. Too much …”the bible isn’t true, the bible isn’t true, the bible isn’t true, the bible isn’t true, the bible isn’t true”.
Lion (IRC)
PS- In a nice irony, Google has used a vampire (The Count) to commemorate Sesame Street's anniversary. “Sunny days, sweepin’ the clouds away, on my way to wear the air is sweet…”
Posted by: Janine The Ineffable, OM | November 9, 2009 2:54 AM
Hey, asshole, here is an other one for you; you are a shit stain on the panties of life.
Also, just in case this has yet to get through you thick fucking head, saying "Yay Jesus!" is the same as proselytizing.
And yet more dishonesty from you, people were addressing the topic. You, my little tapeworm of love, did not like what they had to say and did your Up With People "Yay Jesus!" shtick. And you complained about all the mean words people said. (Thought saying shit like I don't agree with Nazi and, golly gee, I hope you disapprove also is oh so reasonable.)
I have to say, having you invoke the theme to Sesame Street is highly appropriate. It shows off how infantile I think you are.
Now keep your fucking word and stop using words.
Posted by: ellenjanuary | November 9, 2009 4:00 AM
That's good shit.
This discussion, however... I thought atheism wasn't a religion? Lion shows up with his version of "good day," and it's on? Bad form. PZ is the king here in his own blog, but the rest of you; putting a man on trial for the crimes of his religion? First of all, remember Josephus the Flavian? I don't believe it either, but it is "substantiation" of a kind. Second of all, stop speaking out the side of your neck. The last thing you really want is valid evidence for the existence of god. Guys are sounding like you're trying to convert someone to atheism here...
But I can dig it. Religious nonsense makes me want to fire up the wood chipper rather than debate, even my own religious nonsense. ;)
You guys think you have open minds? Have I got a story for you... I'll go and blog it, you can go check it... but there's a whole lot of "not knowing" going on in the world of knowledge. That's all you really need to believe. :)
Posted by: Wowbagger, OM | November 9, 2009 4:20 AM
It's a religion in the same way not collecting stamps is a hobby, and baldness is a hair colour. Care to present an argument - here - to the contrary?
Posted by: John Morales | November 9, 2009 4:21 AM
ellenjanuary @109, your concern is noted.
You're projecting. The last thing you want is to be required to show
validsound evidence for the existence of god.Mocking religion ain't proselytizing.
Somehow, I really don't think you get atheism, since you think one converts to it! ;)
Posted by: JeffreyD | November 9, 2009 5:50 AM
IRC, far as I can tell, vampires = zombies = jesus in that all are imaginary. I find Bram Stoker a better author overall than the various authors of the bible. Well, I do like the highly erotic imagery in the Song of Solomon and that neat part from Eccles about there is a season, etc. However, in general, I prefer my fiction to be a little more believable, i.e., Dracula or World War Z vice the bible.
ellenjanuary, I went to your blog and read your note on here twice. Still not sure what your point is, or if you have one. I will pray for you...oh, wait...no I won't since that is a waste of both our times.
Ciao y'all
Posted by: ellenjanuary | November 9, 2009 6:05 AM
Not that post, the one now linked to my name. I don't believe in prayer. Directing the will, consciously or unconsciously, to manifest some religious nonsense from the quantum foam is another order of threat entirely. Before I post any documentation nobody really wants to see, I'm going to ask my shrink if she wants to publish. Evidence is useless in the face of belief anyway, I thought all atheists knew that? ;)
I'm not an atheist, I'm a mathematician. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. The story behind the blog I just posted - it is exactly what it says it is. I'm actually trying to get people to stop believing in religious nonsense.
Posted by: transitional form | November 9, 2009 9:51 AM
Jim Jones was right Christianity is a death cult
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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November 9, 2009 5:03 PM
The Pint @ 90;
"That was just about the funniest (and geekiest) piece I've read all day. Good show!"
Why thank you. I am glad you liked it. In the interest of fairness, I should point out that it ws Janine OM (formerly a self-declared 'vile b**ch' who has since become Ineffable) who birthed the idea of Wolfram and Hart jokes. I merely helped with the development a bit. I flatter myself that if Janine was the mother of these jokes, then I am the father (imagine a Darth Vader voice here, if you like). We now have our own little nascent meme-shaped bundle of joy*.
" . . .you owe me a new keyboard and a pint of Guinness to make up for the one that was spilled on said keyboard when I read your post."
Huzzah! I have added another keyboard scalp to my collection. Unfortunately I do not provide compensation for those caught in the crossfire of my comic geekiness. It is not only Lord Cthulhu who is tight tentacled you know.
"Are you sure you're not penning humor fanfic in your spare time?"
Alas no. But maybe this is my vocation? Do I have the requisit talents?
1) A lifetime supply of 100% proof geekiness - check.
2) A severe misapprehensdion that I am funnier than I in actual fact am - check.
3) A complete inability to create anything approaching a coherant plot or character arc - check.
4) A tendency toward comedic levels of poor spelling verging on compulsive literary malapropism - check.
5) Way too much time on my hands - check.
Sir, I think you have identified a new hobby for me. I am in your debt.
* Apologies to Janine who has doubtless been severely traumatised by the image of having even a figurative child of her's fathered by arguably the biggest geek on Pharyngula. I hope you don't need too much therapy to get over it.
Posted by: Samantha Vimes | November 10, 2009 6:45 AM
I think vampires may also fall into the category of resurrected from the dead, at least if zombies do. In fact, like Christ, the vampires are dead for 3 days before rising.
There's actually quite a debate over whether Jesus should be considered zombie or vampire, but like vampires, Christ wants people to drink his blood and live forever. So I'm in the Christ is a vampire camp.