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Celebrate Christmas by donating to the RDF

Category: Godlessness
Posted on: December 1, 2009 11:12 AM, by PZ Myers

The Richard Dawkins Foundation is having a big fundraiser…and what better way to treat this traditionally religious season than to use it as an excuse to direct all your charitable giving to a bunch of atheists promoting science and reason?

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#1

Posted by: BobT | December 1, 2009 11:20 AM

PZ @ 55secs!

#2

Posted by: Glen Davidson Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 11:22 AM

I don't know, I think that charitable giving for malaria prevention, sanitation, and preventing malnutrition, has some merit.

Direct all such giving to atheists? Come on.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p

#3

Posted by: Tabby Lavalamp | December 1, 2009 11:34 AM

Christmas? Bah! I celebrate Chriscrossmas, a day dedicated to the musical stylings of songster Christopher Cross.

#4

Posted by: thoughtspiral Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 11:40 AM

Cue the "science is just another RELIGION!" trolls in 3... 2... 1...

#5

Posted by: heironymous Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 11:46 AM

Glen -
I'm definitely in your boat. I'm actually curious if there are any specific atheist charities which work around the world for malaria prevention, sanitation, preventing malnutrition et al.

#6

Posted by: eryoshimura | December 1, 2009 11:47 AM

I'll donate! But where were the women in that video? :(

#7

Posted by: Doc Murray | December 1, 2009 11:50 AM

Science is just another religion!!!!!


Just kidding. :D

#8

Posted by: Alessa Mendes | December 1, 2009 11:52 AM

If you read Richard Dawkins' letter, you'll see there's actually a lot of benefit to donating. You also receive a free DVD or book (depending on how much you donate). It's a worthy cause dedicating to science education, and a lot more.

I've donated and spread the word through my own blog.

#9

Posted by: palaeodave Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 11:54 AM

heironymous @ #5

"I'm actually curious if there are any specific atheist charities which work around the world for malaria prevention, sanitation, preventing malnutrition et al. "

There are plenty of charities who don't have religion as one of their core values. That's secular enough for me. I would find a charity that promoted itself as atheist while providing medication in developing countries etc just as distasteful as ones pushing religion.

I'm with Glen on this. I have limited capacity for charitable contributions and they mostly go to Cancer Research UK, with the odd bit here and there to famine relief etc.

#10

Posted by: Dr. Bob | December 1, 2009 11:56 AM

Hi, PZ,

Hearing a news item about a controversy over putting religious symbols on a courthouse grounds, I began to wonder: What symbol should atheists put up in such places where "all faiths" are allowed to put their symbols? Most people wouldn't recognize the red A that's used on websites. How about a bearded guy with a red circle and slash? Maybe you could run a contest to come up with the best idea....

#11

Posted by: Bill Dauphin, OM | December 1, 2009 12:01 PM

Glen D (@2):

Does your charitable giving amount to such a lofty sum that there are genuinely not enough explicitly secular charitable causes to soak it all up?

We all should strive to maximize the good our gifts do in the world... but I suspect that the vast majority of individual givers can maximize the good (however each of us defines that) their funds accomplish without being required to resort to religious giving.

#12

Posted by: Andy | December 1, 2009 12:02 PM

If you're looking for a non-religious charity making a big difference, I would strongly recommend the Ankizy Fund. Founded by a group of paleontologists at Stony Brook University, this organization has built schools, provided dental clinics and education, and much more in remote areas of Madagascar.

#13

Posted by: Charles | December 1, 2009 12:20 PM

How about the International Committee of the Red Cross? They are secular, are they not?

#14

Posted by: Charles | December 1, 2009 12:23 PM

Or Médecins Sans Frontières

#15

Posted by: Desert Son, OM Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 12:24 PM

heironymous and eryoshimura,

A couple of additional organizations I have donated to (and continue to donate to, when I can):

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières

and the

Association For Women In Science

Neither has any religious affiliation (at least not that I've been able to determine).

Great video. I'll have the RDF on my donation list this year.

Still learning,

Robert

#16

Posted by: Bill Dauphin, OM | December 1, 2009 12:28 PM

paleodave (@9):

There are plenty of charities who don't have religion as one of their core values.

Indeed. One that I've recently gotten interested in is Heifer International, which promotes nutrition and economic development by providing livestock to the Third World poor as part of a larger program to promote sustainable self-reliance. It was founded by a person who began in church-based relief services, but the current organization has no religious affiliation and no mission to promote any religious doctrine.

To do its work, the organization must necessarily respect the diversity of faiths in the communities it serves, but the only mention of spirituality in its mission statement or governing "Cornerstone" principles is this fairly secular definition of spirituality (offered as just one of the 12 Cornerstones):

"Spirituality is expressed in common values, common beliefs about the value and meaning of all life, a sense of connectedness to the earth and a shared vision of the future. Heifer International works with people of all beliefs in our efforts to overcome poverty and hunger.'

Works for me.

#17

Posted by: Psychoholic | December 1, 2009 12:29 PM

"Christmas? Bah! I celebrate Chriscrossmas,"

That's wiggida wiggida wiggida wiggida wack.

#18

Posted by: Ring Tailed Lemurian | December 1, 2009 12:44 PM

#2, 5, 9, 12
My family's charity is the (non-religious) SOS Children's Villages charity. It has been (unsucessfully) nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 15 times. They care for over 78,000 orphans and abandoned children around the world.
They don't advertise, which is why I'm mentioning them here, and they use voluntary workers (in donor countries). Every cent raised goes to their charitable work. You can donate or sponsor (which really means just pledging a regular donation, as they, unlike other sponsorship charities, discourage contact between foreign sponsors and "their" orphans).
http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/sos-childrens-charity

#19

Posted by: palaeodave Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 12:54 PM

Bill @ #16

Had a quick look around their website and like what I see. Thanks for bringing them to my attention.

I think there are rather a lot of great charities that don't wrap themselves up in religion.

#20

Posted by: katbend Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 12:55 PM

lots of really great quotes in this video. great promotional video of a very important organization. the one thing that the RDFRS is missing is some kind of effort to spread scientific fact books for something throughout the world in various languages. it sounds sickeningly evangelistic but actually if the whole world really understood that we are a speck on a pale blue dot in a vast universe and understood how life and evolution works humanity could find more happiness and less suffering. imo.

#21

Posted by: Insightful Ape | December 1, 2009 1:20 PM

Are RDF donations tax deductible?

#22

Posted by: Steven Mading Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 1:24 PM

@Bill Dauphin, #14:


Glen D (@2):

Does your charitable giving amount to such a lofty sum that there are genuinely not enough explicitly secular charitable causes to soak it all up?

I think you missed the point of Glen's post. Glen was objecting to PZ's use of the word "all" in this statement (boldface emphasis mine): "what better way to treat this traditionally religious season than to use it as an excuse to direct all your charitable giving to a bunch of atheists promoting science and reason?"

If "all" had been changed to "some" I don't think Glen would have had the same objection.

#23

Posted by: Steven Mading Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 1:28 PM

(Scienceblogs' broken mangling of the <blockquote> tag screwed up my above post. The paragraph following the block was inside the blockquote, but scienceblogs thought it knew what I meant better than I did. - I'd like to take the programmer who designed that and shake him or her vigorously shouting: NO, a paragraph break does NOT mean the blockquote is finished, numbnuts!.)

#24

Posted by: madbull Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 2:27 PM

I'd donate If I had the money. Jus a fkkin student.. Donations coming in soon I promise.
Right now I am high on beer, all I know is that I love Dawkins and PZ so much. I no longer blv tht throwing food stuff into a fire would please a half elephant half man 'God' called Ganesha
Yeah I used to be a Hindu and believed a version of that not so long ago.. and I'm not proud :x.. dont mock me plz.
Now i enjoy social drinking , sex, economics and science with no feelings of guilt abt the elephant-man freak being displeased. \m/
I just cant bring myself to desecrate hindu religious symbols though, I know there's nothing sacred about that kooky stuff and I tried my best to just stamp on a pic of the elephant God. I just cant bring myself to do it. Is it jus waning signs of years of indoctrination? I'll get over it right?
Please forgive the rants of a high, happy and aware Indian atheist.

#25

Posted by: Bill Dauphin, OM | December 1, 2009 3:28 PM

Steven Mading (@22 & 23):

I think you missed the point of Glen's post.

It's quite possible — I'm certainly not immune to missing people's points — but upon reflection, I'm not sure I missed it in precisely the way you suggest. I was intentionally responding to "all," my point being that most normal-scale donors can indeed find secular (if not explicitly atheist) homes for all of their charitable giving, and need not be forced to give some of it to church-based institutions. Where it seems I may have missed the point is the end of the sentence from PZ that you quote: "...a bunch of atheists promoting science and reason...." Without meaning to put words in his (virtual) mouth, I now grok that Glen may have been referring not to the all/some difference, but to the distinction between directly attacking hunger and disease and "promoting science and reason" (which I would argue also ultimately impacts hunger and disease, but not with nearly the same immediacy).

All I meant to be saying (and I don't asssume Glen doesn't know this or agree; his comment was just a conversational opportunity) was that folks need not feel constrained to work through churches in order to perform what my Catholic friends would call the Corporal Works of Mercy through one's charity.

BTW...

Scienceblogs' broken mangling of the <blockquote> tag screwed up my above post. ... a paragraph break does NOT mean the blockquote is finished....

I think this may be a local/browser issue: I regularly post blockquotes that include multiple paragraphs, without (IIRC) ever having had an issue.

#26

Posted by: lesbianjesus Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 3:55 PM

Atheism as a belief is great, I'd be glad to talk to you about it.

Atheism as a movement seems to not understand irony, as this "Movement" becomes bigger and bigger it more and more resembles a church or a cult.

Now they are asking us to Tithe ?

#27

Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | December 1, 2009 3:57 PM

lesbianjesus?

pffft

Where is baconjesus?

#28

Posted by: Aratina Cage Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 4:05 PM

That's dissappointing. I came for the lesbianjesus and all I got was a troll. :(

#29

Posted by: Bill Dauphin, OM | December 1, 2009 4:13 PM

I came for the lesbianjesus...

Must.Resist.Pornographic.Snark....

(After all, I'd hate to cause any natural disasters!)

#30

Posted by: Ted | December 1, 2009 4:47 PM

Celebrate WHAT by GIVING?
PZ have you become a closet Christian?

#31

Posted by: Richard Dawkins | December 1, 2009 4:49 PM

Are RDF donations tax deductible?

Yes.

Richard

#32

Posted by: Red-Handed | December 1, 2009 4:53 PM

The constitution needs a new amendment to assure the separation of Science and State.

http://www.climate-gate.org/

#33

Posted by: Steven Mading Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 5:12 PM

@ Bill Dauphan #25

No, it's not a browser issue. The server is sending the HTML to the browser that way. I checked with a view source. I type the text this way into the TEXTAREA box:
<blockquote>
this is
paragraph 1

this is
paragraph 2
</blockquote>

but it comes out this way when the server publishes it on the page:

<blockquote>
this is
paragraph 1
</blockquote>
this is
paragraph 2

It's not consistent either. Sometimes the blank line breaks the blockquote and sometimes it does not. I haven't found a pattern to it.

#34

Posted by: Helena Handbag | December 1, 2009 5:45 PM

I'm in for $100, as a gift for our oldest child (physicist-in-training) who is toying with starting a Secular Students' group at his college. Will put the receipt in a card with the 2 DVDs tucked under the tree--he'll love it. Seems only fair--we gave his younger brother The God Delusion in his Easter basket (we celebrate all the chocolate-based holidays).

He may read this comment (hi Nate!), but he won't know which 2 DVDs are coming, so it's all good.

#35

Posted by: Biology Blogger | December 1, 2009 6:06 PM

I wish I could donate a lot. Too bad I don't have a job (not because of recession--I'm a lazy ass teenager)

#36

Posted by: fpqc | December 1, 2009 6:06 PM

PZ, your hair game is fucked up. =).

#37

Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline. Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 6:18 PM

Sorry, I gave at the office.

(I.e. Donors Choose - however illogical that is of me.)

I don't think I've ever seen Brian Green before (outside of xkcd). What sorta accent makes him pronounce "world" like that? David, help please?

#38

Posted by: lesbianjesus Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 6:57 PM

I apologize if my expression of my belief about donating to RDF seemed trollish.

I will try to be less "Off the cuff" next time I express such opinions.

Thanks

#39

Posted by: Biology Blogger | December 1, 2009 7:39 PM

(This may sound inappropriate, in fact my consciousness has only been raised by that family guy episode 2 weeks ago)

Is @31 really Richard Dawkins, or a Richard Dawkins impersonator?

#40

Posted by: Cosmicgarden Author Profile Page | December 1, 2009 11:42 PM

Or you could always help raise funds for the Missoula Montana atheist billboard-to-be by purchasing these lovely gifts for yourself or your friend. For the girl who forgot to save her hymen for jesus: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kuhlwlf/sets/72157622916308734/

#41

Posted by: Richard Dawkins | December 2, 2009 2:47 AM

Is @31 really Richard Dawkins, or a Richard Dawkins impersonator?
Real. Donations to RDFRS are tax-deductible in USA and (using a different system) UK. See http://richarddawkinsfoundation.org/foundation,donations for full details of our tax-exempt status.

Richard

#42

Posted by: tim | December 2, 2009 2:54 AM

Whatever you do, don't donate to the starvation, err... i mean salvation army. those pricks are asking for id and social security cards from people they give donations to in order to make sure they dont give things to 'illegal immigrants'.

#43

Posted by: floyd Author Profile Page | December 2, 2009 3:19 AM

But where are all the women?

a) In the kitchen where they belong!
b) They haven't evolved yet.
c) Women can't own property so why would we try to fundraise from them?
d) We are using our rational thinking and deductive logic to find them. We think they might be in the kitchen.

#44

Posted by: Jadehawk, OM Author Profile Page | December 2, 2009 3:21 AM

speaking of charities and donations...

has anybody here heard of mercy corps? from what I've superficially gathered about them, they're great (apparently secular, supporting local work rather than imposing one-size-fits-all solutions, good ratings at charity finder, etc); but I'm paranoid (and broke, so have to choose charities super-carefully) and would really like to know if anyone has experience with or better knowledge of them.

#45

Posted by: Gustaf | December 2, 2009 10:28 AM

I had wanted to donate to RDF this year, but was put off by the unfairness towards us Europeans. It's a great idea to offer gift books and DVDs to those who give money, and it even made me want to donate more -- until I saw the gifts were only for US addresses! Call me greedy, but that's not how to do it.

#46

Posted by: Biology Blogger | December 2, 2009 7:56 PM

Richard, sorry then. There has been a lot of impersonators on this blog, like the fake Walton. Just wanted to make sure.


Thanks.

#47

Posted by: NC | December 6, 2009 6:44 PM

Um, I'm sure their hearts on in the right place, but I'm not so sure that sending a dairy animals to some of the poorest areas will actually help in the long run.
Do they also support the upkeep? Farm animals eat a lot.
There's also the little problem of lactose intolerance among non-Caucasian races.

Oh, well. At least the families will get to enjoy steak for a few weeks.

#48

Posted by: NC | December 6, 2009 6:48 PM

btw, that was addressing @16

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