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Priceless artifact for sale!

Category: Weirdness
Posted on: January 8, 2010 6:32 PM, by PZ Myers

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Oh, lord, I am convinced. Look at this fossil; it's a perfect human footprint, with a dinosaur track right on top of it! The people who found it promise that it's not a fake, they've actually done a CAT scan of the rock to show that it is genuine, somehow. This will revolutionize paleontology and shake up the entire field of evolution!

It's also available for the taking on ebay. Only $5, and more than 10 of them are in stock.

It's a bit pricey, but worth it for something that would get me an easy publication in Nature. I wonder…I've got a gross of nails from the True Cross here that I've been selling for the same price, maybe they'd take one in trade?

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#1

Posted by: artconserv Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:44 PM

Have you seen this person's eBay feedback??? Not seen feedback that low in a long time. Appropriate.

#2

Posted by: lose_the_woo Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:44 PM

Poor fella...but what an astonishing find! This fossil proves human time travel is possible!

#3

Posted by: janegael Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:47 PM

I reported it as a fake. I know I should probably try to sell it to all the Christians I know but since I sell on EBay once in a while, I like to keep the site legit. I have to fix my recliner the dogs broke, could you send me about 10 of those nails please?

#4

Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM, CR Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:48 PM

looks like the ad is not for an actual fossil, but for a subscription to his internet magazine, from which the picture is taken.

Bad, but not a five dollar fake fossil.

#5

Posted by: Invigilator Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:52 PM

Poor fella, indeed -- the bad feedback is because "Casts made outdoors sever rain/wind held up production," and then there were complaints about shipping, so now you have to go pick it up in Riverside -- hey, PZ, you can add it to your itinerary!

#6

Posted by: lose_the_woo Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:52 PM

I know I should probably try to sell it to all the Christians I know...

Funny. The thought that crossed my mind was gifts for next xmas for my family. My mom would mount it on her wall somewhere I'm sure.

#7

Posted by: Ben in Texas Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:52 PM

Yeah, I read some of his feedback. Very often, when someone leaves this jerk a negative review, he turns around and accuses them of being an evolutionist. What a weirdo and scam artist.

#8

Posted by: CanonicalKoi Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:54 PM

Using a CT scan....checking "rock"....determining it to be genuine.....**geology region of the brain explodes trying to escape**

#9

Posted by: lose_the_woo Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:56 PM

Poor fella, indeed...

I was referring to the poor fella that was probably turned into dino-nom....you know, as documented by the fossilized record of the event.

#10

Posted by: CanonicalKoi Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 6:59 PM

Ah..."Biblical Science News" Is supposedly an online-pub with a Yahoo Group. Here's the link - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Auldaney/summary Read the summary for more hilarity.

#11

Posted by: LightningRose Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:00 PM

Reported to eBay as fraud.

#12

Posted by: CanonicalKoi Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:01 PM

Sorry for the double post, but why the newsgroup is called, "Auldaney" instead of "Biblical Science (sic) News" I have no idea. Maybe they're trying to throw off the Illuminati (who are also mentioned in the summary).

#13

Posted by: Jim1138 Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:03 PM

66.7% ebay rating! You can definitely trust this guy.

#14

Posted by: cactusren Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:03 PM

Hmmm...it actually seems worth the $5 for the hilarity. Too bad he won't ship them.

Also, I would assume he's selling casts of the "fossil", though its a bit odd that it doesn't specify that anywhere on the page.

#15

Posted by: dutchdoc Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:06 PM

#4 is right!

He is NOT selling fossils (or casts of them). He's selling subscriptions to a website! (Hence the "local delivery only" I guess.)

I complained to eBay about the misleading title.

#16

Posted by: Michelle R Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:07 PM

I'm reading his feedback... How amusing, he sells lots of cheap shit!

"no comunication when I complained about broken cast ,long shipping time

*
Reply by dinosaurology (Apr-03-07 10:50):
Lied about broken in shipment. Refused refund. Deliberate evolutionist attack. "

#17

Posted by: JJ Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:08 PM

Reading some of the negative comments on his ebay account, it's really funny how every time there's a complaint about quality, ship time or broken product, he makes claims like

They wanted to keep them & get refund! New tactic by militant evolutionists.

#18

Posted by: lose_the_woo Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:10 PM

Selling it as a fossil is probably not a good idea. Which gave me the idea of selling fossil replicas. I can easily have 40 fossil replicas of a talking snake (larynx structures clearly visible!)(yes, I know it's soft tissue, but that's why it's so amazing!) ready to go within a week! Cha-ching!!

#19

Posted by: Michelle R Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:10 PM

I decided to complain to ebay as well. That's not an appropriate title at all.

#20

Posted by: Louis Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:16 PM

I bought twelve of these.

Of course as a militant evolutionist I only bought twelve, I could have bought a hundred. I could have also gone around to his house, washed his car and given him an anal bleaching for free, but I'm a militant evolutionist (remember?) and we're all bastards.

{sigh}

Why is it morons always cry conspiracy and oppression when their inefficiency and whackakdoodlery is exposed?

Louis

#21

Posted by: JJ Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:17 PM

#15 & #4
While that page does make it look like he's selling the subscription to his online magazine, the comments on his account make it sound like at leased in the past he's sold casts. Read the comments, many are about how slow shipping was (months it seems for some), how poorly painted that cast is and about how many casts broke in shipping. He turns around and calls them liars, frauds and militant evolutionists

#22

Posted by: WashingMachine0 Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:20 PM

MASSIVE lulz at the guy's feedback on ebay. As if we needed another reason to think this was a load of crap.

#23

Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:24 PM

they've actually done a CAT scan of the rock to show that it is genuine

Yep, it's a genuwhine rock, all right. CAT scan shows rockicity all the way through.

#24

Posted by: Hypatia's Daughter Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:28 PM

From the E-Bay site:

Professor Auldaney has published 9 technical papers on research. Five of them as Senior Paleontologist for the Creation Research Society's project on human tracks found with the tracks of dinosaurs near Tuba City, Arizona....
Gee, Senior Paleontologist sounds sooo professional, until you add.....for the Creation Research Society. Then, you laugh.

#25

Posted by: JJ Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:28 PM

From one oif his fossil cast he's selling:

Archaeopteryx is no longer considered to be a missing link between reptiles and birds. All missing links are still missing! The very idea that missing links actually exist is pure speculation

Duh all "missing links" are are missing. That's what the adjective "missing" means.

#26

Posted by: burpy Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:34 PM

@lLouis ha ha

#27

Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:35 PM

Gee, Senior Paleontologist sounds sooo professional, until you add.....for the Creation Research Society. Then, you laugh.
Yep, and rolling on the floor in tears belly laugh.
#28

Posted by: Ant Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 7:55 PM

@lose_the_woo #2

A time travel explanation is still better than the YEC crap.

#29

Posted by: Ant Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:01 PM

@lose_the_woo #18

I can easily have 40 fossil replicas of a talking snake (larynx structures clearly visible!)(yes, I know it's soft tissue, but that's why it's so amazing!) ready to go within a week! Cha-ching!!

Hey, they'd only be about 10,000 years old, so it could happen!

#30

Posted by: negentropyeater Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:13 PM

tell me it's a joke

#31

Posted by: Antiochus Epiphanes Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:13 PM

You can buy lots of awesome stuff just like this at the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose Texas. I bought a human finger that was lodged in the fossilized remains of a dinosaur. It has a finger nail and everything.

#32

Posted by: Miles670 Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:15 PM

PZ YOU BASTARD! I saw that and freaked lol. My head hurt for the entire time it took for me to think about it. Admittedly a few seconds but DONT DO THAT TO ME.

#33

Posted by: Citizen Z Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:17 PM

Heh. He has his own stunningly designed website. (You can "Look up "Auldaney" on your Internet Search Engine. Like Yahoo.com")

He doesn't mention where he got his degree, or even if he has a degree. His eBay listing states he is "Professor" Auldaney, but there's no indication of which, if any, institute of higher learning he's on staff. About the closest thing to a professional organization he lists in his bio is the Southern California Paleontological Society, which looks like a society of amateurs/enthusiasts and only requires an $18.50 membership fee.

#34

Posted by: thedarwinreport Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:23 PM

That seller's items may be biblical, but his shipping is geological in comparison. Check out all the complaints of slow delivery. Worst feedback rating I've ever seen on eBay - 66.7%

I've communicated with that seller before. I once asked him about the creationist biased description of his archeopteryx replicas. He insisted his 'expert' had checked all the facts.

My expert says he's a mental defective.

#35

Posted by: Yubal Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:25 PM

WTF?!?

They sell the SAME footprint thing 10 times ?!?

#36

Posted by: raven Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 8:49 PM

If creationists are going to sell fake fossils such as one of a dog skeleton with a dinosaur claw stuck in it, then atheists must be free to sell Xian relics.

Could be quite a lot. Pieces of the true cross, Holy Grails, Shrouds of Turin's, Jesus foreskins, chunks of rock from the empty tomb and so forth.

Plus more mundane items, Jesus's coffee cup, stuffed toys, drinking glass, silverware, walking stick, and so on.

Then there would be the Solomon, David, Moses, Abraham, Adam and Eve, Noah, Abel, Cain, and assorted other prophets line.

Ebay might be a little perturbed about it. OTOH, how would selling real fake Xian relics differ from anything the Catholic church or the various modern fundie churches have been doing since the year 1 CE? And how can anyone call them fake when it is questionable whether some of those people ever existed anyway?

#37

Posted by: Legion Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 9:07 PM

From Biblical Science News:

We are looking for new writers. Send us your manuscript by e-mail with photos. We pay $15 a page upon acceptance.

Fifteen bucks a page?! Cha Ching!!

Looks like we may have solved our little short-term financial crisis. We'll just have to come up with some convincing biblical "evidence" like... casts of footprints found at the bottom of the Red Sea, proving that the Exodus really happened.

#38

Posted by: Creature of the Universe Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 9:10 PM

I'll pay $5.01 for fossil (no younger than 1376 BC) with old testament text that has a dinosaur print over it. (text must be leviticus or earlier)

(no higher than $5.19)

#39

Posted by: Creature of the Universe Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 9:17 PM

@38 - $7.81 for a dinosaur turd on it...

#40

Posted by: nathanschroeder1 Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 9:32 PM

Using Google I found this bone head. He is about six miles from me. Maybe I'll check his stuff out. Or not.

Nate

#41

Posted by: nathanschroeder1 Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 9:36 PM

I don't know whats with the link at 40. I'm blaming it on scienceblogs. Here is the URL: http://www.auldaney.com/Home1.html

#42

Posted by: xinit Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 10:13 PM

That's nothing....

Not only did Humans and Dinosaurs live together, Sony was there with the walkman...

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/12/fossil_tech.html

#43

Posted by: AlgaeGirl Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 10:24 PM

I always do a little face-palm when I see stupid shit like this out of a town where I went to college...

#44

Posted by: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkIMxUbIH2U79LIJ0Xgw4FnqBF6R4I1W_c Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 10:27 PM

@ Citizen Z (#33)

"(You can "Look up "Auldaney" on your Internet Search Engine. Like Yahoo.com")"

I wondered why he said this instead of just linking to the papers directly, so I did as he suggested and looked up Auldaney on Google: all I got was sites that repeat the claim that he has published nine papers, but still no links to the actual papers or even indications as to what they are about and where they were published.

Is he just hoping that if he repeats the claim often enough, we'll believe him without seeing any evidence? Who would do that? Oh, wait...

#45

Posted by: Pareidolius Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 10:40 PM

Artifact schmartifact, I've got the One True Pipe™ of J.R. Bob Dobbs (may peas be upon him), now that's priceless.

#46

Posted by: Bix12 Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 10:42 PM

Ostrich?

No, of course not--it's obviously a dinosaur in pursuit of a god-fearing (and big scary lizard fearing) chosen one--if that poor scmuck would just drop his tortilla-with-image-of-the-virgin-mary on the ground, he just might distract that creature of the lord long enough to get away & live to practice domain over all god's creatures another day.

Am wondering, too, if Ham has ordered any of these ancient artifacts for his creationist museum? Seems like it'd be a big hit there.

#47

Posted by: KyBoiler Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 11:13 PM

This is hilarious. On his listing for an archeopteryx cast (which is a modern bird with teeth, bony tail, and claws, like other modern bird fossils) he talks about EVILutionists creating fake "missing link" feathered dinosaur fossils as a dark stain on paleontology. Lies to make money for EVILution. He says this not two listings away from his human/trex footprint... that fake fossils are wrong.
Thou shalt not bear false witness, unless it is for jesus.

#48

Posted by: Caddisfly Author Profile Page | January 8, 2010 11:57 PM

I recognize the dino track! It's was made by a Bullshitasaurs, a fine example I might add.

#49

Posted by: Owlmirror Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 12:10 AM

Hell, *I* recognize that dino track!

It's the same one as posted here two years ago:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/transparent_fakery.php

What's the relationship between this Auldaney character, and Alvis Delk and Carl Baugh (Humbug!!)?

Wouldn't it be funny if this is a "cast" of the first one, so Auldaney is selling casts of the casts?

Devolution in action!

#50

Posted by: Miki Z Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 12:13 AM

Auldaney misses the boat again. The print is real, but it's not human or even human-like: it is a dinosaur with little tiny human-like feet. All of his dinosaur friends make fun of him.

#51

Posted by: Holytape Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 12:29 AM

Don't any of you read the bible. Dinosaurs are in there and the Good Book is never wrong or they would not call it "the Good Book".

The mention is in John 12:14.
"And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,"

Of course at the time, the word dinosaur hadn't been invented, so they used the word "ass." If they had meant donkey, they would have used the word "donkey". Jesus rode a dinosaur, and He even fought on too.

#52

Posted by: Summer Seale Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 12:42 AM

You know, the more I read about this kind of stuff going on, and the more that I read about the behavior of Creationists everywhere who swallow it up, the more I am tempted to try to find a way to milk them for every penny that they have while still somehow (and this is the impossible part, i know) keeping to my morals as an Atheist and Humanist....

...there must be a way. It's just not fair that these people spend their money on other idiots and not me.

#53

Posted by: Botswana Skeptic Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 12:43 AM

Surely that's just Barney's footprint?

#54

Posted by: boygenius Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 1:18 AM

Pareidolius @45,

Sshhh! The Pinks are out there, and they're searching for the One True Pipe like Sauron missing his ring.

#55

Posted by: Citizen Z Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 1:54 AM

Not only have they confirmed it with a CAT scan, they also confirmed it with an MRI. The pap smear's still inconclusive.

#56

Posted by: Carax Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 3:58 AM

Prof Myers, you've got the nails and I've got most of the wood from the cross I found in my back yard. Maybe we should collaborate.

#57

Posted by: blf Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 4:12 AM

The nutter's complete LinkedIn listing is:

Jeremy Auldaney

Owner, Dinosaurology and Writing and Editing Specialist

Location: Greater Los Angeles Area

Industry: Writing and Editing

Current: Owner at Dinosaurology

Education: California State University-Fullerton

Connections: 2 connections

Doesn't claim to be professor, doesn't mention his degree (or if he even graduated), doesn't mention education or palaeontology, and suggests that selling badly made casts of poorly-executed fakes (and other gimmicks) is his only business.

#58

Posted by: negentropyeater Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 4:38 AM

Anybody who visits Lourdes or the Vatican will notice that so many religiots seem to have a predilection for cheap-crap-fake figurines and souvenirs.

#59

Posted by: Moggie Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 4:51 AM

#51:

The mention is in John 12:14. "And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,"

I think the most that can be said about this is that, unlike many of his followers, Jesus could find his own ass.

#60

Posted by: blf Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 4:56 AM

The mention is in John 12:14. "And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,"
I think the most that can be said about this is that, unlike many of his followers, Jesus could find his own ass.

No, as quoted it says "a young ass". It could be his own, but I'm tempered to read it as an early example of one of xianism's fundamental purposes: Buggering children.

#61

Posted by: co Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 5:11 AM

The fifth (and last) page in a rant about evolutionists. It's really pure win:

http://www.auldaney.com/T-rexp5.html

#62

Posted by: englishbobster Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 6:39 AM

Summer Seale @ 52

I have had thoughts along the same lines. Maybe donating all profits to humanist organizations/charities which rehabilitate brainwashed fundies and creationists? If one doesnt exist then strt one up.

#63

Posted by: Roestigraben Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 8:30 AM

Hey, he doesn't consider all Evilutionists to be rotten to the core: Peter Lason is "extraordinarily excellent" (p3)! Shame he wasn't considered for the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence...

#64

Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 8:49 AM

co #61

Why is it that nuts always make their websites as unpleasant to read as possible. I'm not talking about what they write, I'm thinking of Auldaney's use of white letters on a bright blue background.

#65

Posted by: Miki Z Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 9:03 AM

The "Peter Lason" he refers to seems to be "Peter Larson". Slightly outdated, but I'd never heard of this guy before: http://whyfiles.org/029dinos/sue3.html

#66

Posted by: Greg Laden Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 11:49 AM

This is Brilliant! I'm going to start making these. Or even better, making a kit for other people to make them. that way I save on shipping and water and stuff.

#67

Posted by: Stogoe Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 1:02 PM

I think this may actually be worse than sending someone a live bobcat.

#68

Posted by: Flea Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 1:05 PM

Love the e-bay feedback:

-Gaudy and amaturishly painted 2 mths to arrive, communication awful, bad seller!
-Took 2 months. Cast is poor - looks like plastic with rouge. Seller was pain.
-looks like made in gradeschool.dont buy.shiped after 2 months

#69

Posted by: Rincewind'smuse Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 1:30 PM

@ 59,

I think the most that can be said about this is that, unlike many of his followers, Jesus could find his own ass.
Which could make him a useful associate in a nightclub late on Saturday night.

#70

Posted by: Capital Dan Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 2:19 PM

Why would there even be a human footprint? I thought they used saddles and rode on the dinosaurs' backs.

Hmm... Maybe this Dino was being taken to the stables?

#71

Posted by: Givesgoodemail Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 7:14 PM

I had fun doing a little expansion on this fraud.

#72

Posted by: Polyester Mather DD Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 7:45 PM

A sawbuck seems reasonable for the capturing the Missing Link between Bambi and Godzilla

#73

Posted by: Ouchimoo Author Profile Page | January 9, 2010 8:25 PM

Somebody should make a more realistic looking fossil and 'sell like this' except when people order it, they can report all kinds of negative comments when they receive it. That would be because you added a disclaimer and a how to guide on how was carefully sculpted and crafted to make a fake look real. I think that would be funny.

#74

Posted by: Nomad Author Profile Page | January 10, 2010 3:10 AM

I'm just about ready to call Poe on this wackaloon. In answer to a question about whether the listing is for the fossil or a magazine subscription, he responds thusly:

Of course the fossil is worth an inestinamatable amount. This is for a research group that does research on this and many other subjects. We prove evolution is noncensence.

I automatically corrected those words in my mind the first time I saw them and missed how fantastically screwed up they were, when I went back and tried to pronounce them I realized what a masterful job he'd done on them.

And yet he takes the writer of a later question to task for misspelling real and fossil, but apparently missed that the same person also misspelled dinosaur as "dinosore" and couldn't even get footprint right.

This just has to be intentional, doesn't it?

Don't answer that, I've been following this sort of thing for long enough to know better.

#75

Posted by: rednorsk Author Profile Page | January 10, 2010 10:53 AM

"Biblical Science?"
Quite the oxymoron.
That's right up there with "Military Intelligence", "Original Copy", and "Compassionate Conservative."

#76

Posted by: frozen_midwest, Evil Overlord Local #25, Standards Committee Author Profile Page | January 10, 2010 6:49 PM

That reminds me of a display I saw many years ago at the Laguna Beach art festival - 'Genuine Artificial Jade'

#77

Posted by: Jarred C. Author Profile Page | January 10, 2010 9:45 PM

A simple warning for those who are planing on reporting the ebay item title as "misleading":

The item is under the catagory "publications," and therefore, one should asume that they're not selling an actual fossil or even a cast of one.

Granted, the text is rather confusing, and I wouldn't trust that guy further than I could throw him.

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