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Comments
Posted by: Patricia Queen of Sluts, OM | January 3, 2010 3:07 PM
Bye, bye!
Posted by: SEF
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January 3, 2010 3:09 PM
What bit of the comment registration system locks you out, Patricia?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 3:11 PM
I could see the spam infiltrating the threads, so I'm not surprised.
We'll miss you Patricia. The place isn't the same without you.
Posted by: sandiseattle
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January 3, 2010 3:13 PM
The real question is "Does comment registration lock out OMs?"
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM | January 3, 2010 3:13 PM
shit. typepad is being mean to me, so I don't know if I'll manage to log in. Again. :-(
Posted by: iamjadehawk
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January 3, 2010 3:18 PM
nevermind.... google login still seems to work, so that will have to do. y'all will just have to remember that I'm an OM :-p
*waves to Patricia*
spammers are evil, because they deprive us of the Pullet Patrol and the Spanking Couch :-(
Posted by: WhatsOptimalTemp | January 3, 2010 3:20 PM
If y ht spmmrs s mch, wht s th Nrdy Rdhd stll dng hr?
And wht s th dl tmprtr f th plnt nywy?
Posted by: Zeno
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January 3, 2010 3:20 PM
I can personally testify that it does not, although sometimes it takes a couple of attempts for me to sign in.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 3:20 PM
Only some people, not just OM's, have trouble. The last time I had trouble, I logged into TypePad from Google, and had to click a radio button in the account information to automatically pass my e-mail to the requester, then I saved the change. Then I had no problem getting the SB link to work.Posted by: Brownian, Most Vicious & Petty of Pharyngulites
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January 3, 2010 3:22 PM
Yeah? Well, some of us are grateful for the service they provide to us and our tiny, flaccid penises.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 3:27 PM
Idjit loser temperature troll, you are the insipid spammer. I just call you what your are. If you don't like it, run along. Now be a good little idjiotic anti-social loser troll and never post here again.
Posted by: WhatIsOptTemp | January 3, 2010 3:28 PM
Rdhd prjcts. In thr nws, dg bts mn, th sn wll rs tmrrw, nd th plnt s stll clng.
Posted by: 朴競花/박경화 (Gyeong Hwa)
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January 3, 2010 3:32 PM
Fuck spammers they ruin everything.
Posted by: Mike Wagner | January 3, 2010 3:34 PM
Crud. I haven't been able to login using TypePad in ages. It keeps giving an error that it can't pass the email information on.
Posted by: blf
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January 3, 2010 3:42 PM
I've (to-date) always been able to login using TypoPathetic, but VERY rarely the first time. A certain amount of persistence and reloading, and closing the page and getting some coffee (or something stronger) is needed.
Posted by: protopod
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January 3, 2010 3:43 PM
You should probably just leave it on, instead of going through the trouble of switching it off and on all the time. The spammers will always be there, just waiting for it.
Posted by: Lars
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January 3, 2010 3:45 PM
Love the spammers, hate the spam. Nah, just kidding.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 3:45 PM
For those of you having Mike Wagner's trouble with TypePad.
1. Google TypePad.
2. Go to TypePad from Google.
3. Log in to TypePad.
4. Go to account information (menu upper right).
5. Just under the display name and e-mail is a radio button. The button says to automatically exchange e-mail. Make sure the button is active.
6. Save the change (vital), you may need to scroll down to see the save icon.
7. Log out of TypePad.
8. Come to Pharyngula. You should now be able to sign in, making sure you pick TypePad from the alternatives (don't use the default sign in).
If thing are slightly different for TypeKey, somebody publish the info here.
Posted by: Policy Merchant
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January 3, 2010 3:50 PM
I don't like spam.
Posted by: Blind Squirrel FCD
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January 3, 2010 3:53 PM
Nerd of Redhead, OM
I think you have saved my day.
BS
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 3:53 PM
I should add for step 5, that if you have a small display, you may need to scroll down a bit to see the radio button. It is indented from the left margin.
Posted by: Greg Laden
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January 3, 2010 3:59 PM
I bought a can of spam last year for my daughter to see what it looked like.
We didn't eat it or anything, though.
Posted by: Mike Wagner
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January 3, 2010 4:00 PM
It was that easy of a fix. Hot damn.
Thank you Nerd of Redhead! You're a superhero!
Can you defend us from zombie Jesus?
Posted by: Jadehawk, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:01 PM
ok, so apparently it didn't like my password. after changing the password, it worked. wtf?
Posted by: OriGuy
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January 3, 2010 4:02 PM
No problem signing in using Movable Type.
The Outrage of the Day:
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1001/hume_to_tiger_choose_christianity_.html
Brit Hume, on "Fox News Sunday", said that Tiger Woods should convert from Buddhism to Christianity so that he could be forgiven.
Posted by: 朴競花/박경화 (Gyeong Hwa)
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January 3, 2010 4:03 PM
It's not your password. TypePad hates everyone in general.
Posted by: hombremoleculos
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January 3, 2010 4:03 PM
If you cut spam into strips and deep fry it, it's very tasty.
Posted by: Zeno
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January 3, 2010 4:04 PM
Nerd of Redhead has till April 4 (Easter Sunday) to prepare to battle zombie Jesus. Plan to have popcorn ready.
Posted by: Menyambal: Making sambal (it isn't dragon magic).
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January 3, 2010 4:06 PM
It takes me a few tries to get TypePad to work.
It only takes me one try to see that WhatIsOptTemp is a goof.
Posted by: bPer
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January 3, 2010 4:08 PM
Just testing Nerd's procedure...
Posted by: Janine, The Little Top Of Venom, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:14 PM
Gyeong Hwa Pak, the Pikachu of Anthropology: TypePad hates everyone in general.
Kind of like god.
Posted by: Owlmirror
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January 3, 2010 4:14 PM
PZ, have you considered closing comments on the older threads? Those are the ones that the spammers appear to really love.
Posted by: Aratina Cage
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January 3, 2010 4:15 PM
Looks like Nerd of Redhead saved the day :)
I will! Extra buttery, bacon flavored. I wouldn't miss this for the world.Posted by: raven
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January 3, 2010 4:15 PM
Moveable Type works well for me.
Typepad sort of works but it is buggy.
Posted by: Alan B
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January 3, 2010 4:21 PM
If anyone really doesn't understand about Nerd of Redhead, OM and WhatsOptimalTemp, have a look at:
#7, #9, #11, #12, #18, #20, #21, #23
and ask yourself who of the two is helping on this thread? And who is acting the troll!
Anything more will be feeding the troll and making Nerd of Redhead embarassed!
Posted by: xunatz
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January 3, 2010 4:22 PM
I logged in with my google account, no problem.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:23 PM
Whatever it is that lets me log in works fine. It works so well that I don't even have to go to the log in menu, I just click "sign in" and I'm signed in.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:25 PM
It's Moveable Type that lets me sign in. However, it wouldn't send the acknowledgment email to my .gmx address but did send it to .gmail.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:27 PM
Oh no, zombie Jebus after my brain? Looks like I'll have to figure out what kills zombies (Wooden stakes? Silver bullets? Spam? The Pullet Patrol™?).
I'm glad I was able to help some people out with signing in.
Posted by: Shatterface
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January 3, 2010 4:30 PM
I'm technologically illiterate and have no idea how I'm posting this. It just happens.
Say, do you think this is how religion starts?
Posted by: Janine, The Little Top Of Venom, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:31 PM
Speaking as one of the many regulars here, I feel no need to comment on the troll feud. Anyone with a functioning memory and a functioning brain knows who is who. I would like to see the troll give people helpful advise.
Posted by: blf
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January 3, 2010 4:33 PM
Doubling over in outrageous laughter and then getting the hiccups.
p.s. Doesn't matter if it's you or the zombie who's laughing…
Posted by: Alan B
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January 3, 2010 4:36 PM
Most zombies burst out laughing when they see me.
[Ed. Trouble is, all normal people do as well ...]
Posted by: llewelly
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January 3, 2010 4:37 PM
True. However, if you went into the produce section while blindfolded, grabbed a foodstuff at random, took it home, cut it into thin strips, and deep fried it, you'd have a 95% chance of getting something that was not only very tasty, but tastier than spam. And there is about 70% it would be cheaper.Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:38 PM
Isn't it shotgun blasts to the head that kills zombies? Or is it that those don't work?
Have you tried garlic-soaked silver bullets? Or is that for killing Lone Rangers?
Posted by: David B
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January 3, 2010 4:46 PM
Nerd of Redhead, you are the closest thing to an angel that I have ever come upon.
David B
Posted by: Bastion Of Sass
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January 3, 2010 4:47 PM
Nerd of Redhead wrote:
Gaw! Help! What am I doing wrong?!
I'm logged into Typepad.
When I go to account info, I get a tabbed "Control Panel" window which has another tab "Account information" which only provides an "Account Overview" saying that I've been a member since April 2009. I see nothing about display name or e-mail.
There are two radio buttons, but neither is about exchanging emails.
Also, when I click on "Edit Your Profile," nothing happens.
Am I just missing the obvious, or does Typepad hate me?
I hope I have better luck with Movable Type.
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 4:52 PM
The Mythies did try silver bullets. Didn't work as well as lead bullets. Something to do with the density differential and resulting masses of the same sized bullets. As any scientist would say, DUH!*Metals for $400 Alex. Answer: The Long Ranger. Question: Who used silver bullets?*
Posted by: mythusmage
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January 3, 2010 4:55 PM
I use my LiveJournal account. Yes, I am an attention junkie.
I'm also waiting for the day when the Web collapses because it's gotten too rickety and we're forced to rebuild from the ground up. Nothing like panic, chaos, and terror to force corrective measures. :)
Posted by: blf
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January 3, 2010 4:56 PM
Ok, so zombies, normal people, and possibly even Ed., agree Alan B is laugh-at-able, but what about the trolls? And spammers? Not to mention Little Poopyhead Pee Zed (and it's best not to mention him† at all!)?
† Little Poopyhead Pee Zed, that is. Not the one who shall not be named.
Posted by: SEF
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January 3, 2010 5:05 PM
Oddly enough, I was having a conversation a couple of weeks ago, with a random stranger on a train, about not knowing the best way to deal with the zombie apocalypse - whereas anti-vampire techniques are highly publicised. Of the tools available where I was about to be, I reckoned the flame-thrower might be quite effective though (albeit only a limited scope one, intended for zapping weeds on paths).
Posted by: Andy Allen
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January 3, 2010 5:07 PM
Hmm... well, if you can see this not only has typepad worked, it means I've remembered a long-unused password (I don't comment very often).
Two such coincident things is not quite enough to claim a miracle, though.
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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January 3, 2010 5:10 PM
Trying again....
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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January 3, 2010 5:13 PM
Wheeee! Schoolgirl squeals and bosomy bounces!!! It worked - No thanks to gawd.
Posted by: Rox
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January 3, 2010 5:15 PM
This is just a test post. I've been gone for a couple of weeks so I just want to make sure I can still sign in and post.
Posted by: vitor.bvsantos
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January 3, 2010 5:17 PM
I really wish natural selection worked better on spammers...
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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January 3, 2010 5:24 PM
It does when the environment gets changed to registration required.
Posted by: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkZra46lduf0zN2DdfGYiE6OxNw8EpsKbw
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January 3, 2010 5:26 PM
What the hell is the matter with TypePad. Fuck.
Posted by: The Tim Channel
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January 3, 2010 5:28 PM
Housekeeping: logged in thru Movable Type as always. No problems. Prefer keeping registration active because I think it helps thwart the terrorists.
About to shut down my European household for the night. Here's a bit religious and political blasphemy to help ease yourselves into the new week:
http://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/compare-and-contrast/
Concluding thought for the week: Too much of our best atheist media is low resolution with bad audio. That concerns me.
Enjoy.
Posted by: 6-bleen-7
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January 3, 2010 5:28 PM
If you can see this comment, I successfully logged in via Movable Type using my LiveJournal account.
Posted by: Antiochus Epiphanes
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January 3, 2010 5:29 PM
Crucifixion isn't a long-term solution, but it will give you about 36 hours.
Posted by: tsig0
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January 3, 2010 5:37 PM
I use movable type and it always seems to wor but it does take a while to work.
Posted by: efrique
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January 3, 2010 5:38 PM
Google has worked for me.
The implementation via google is less than ideal, but it seems to at least work.
Posted by: Andreas Johansson
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January 3, 2010 5:41 PM
Now, is there any way we can blackmail Google into allowing people to change their handles?
Posted by: ursulamajor
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January 3, 2010 5:43 PM
You guys and gals need to go over to
http://friendlyatheist.com/
Hemant has a poll about PZ that yearns for our attention.
Posted by: Owlmirror
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January 3, 2010 5:44 PM
You need to read World War Z.
Great. So now you have the undead lurching towards you ON FIRE.
Posted by: kausik.datta
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January 3, 2010 5:46 PM
Typepad is - I swear - the most annoying thing ever! Every time I try to sign in, after submitting the form I get a page full of gobbledygook. Google works much better, but I can't get fancy handles like Janine or others... Ah, well.
Posted by: kaessa.com
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January 3, 2010 5:48 PM
Testing the login with OpenID (after going rounds with the TypePad login).
Posted by: kaessa.com
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January 3, 2010 5:49 PM
Odd.. it uses my domain name instead of my identity (Kaessa). I swear, TypePad has the most screwed up login system I have ever used.
*bangs head against wall*
Posted by: Wowbagger, Man-Hating Man of Pharyngula
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January 3, 2010 6:02 PM
My moveable type seems to be working okay - the only bugger is I have to remember my login and password after being out of the office for 10 (or so) days.
Posted by: Frank Lovell
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January 3, 2010 6:11 PM
Typepad has never failed me or given me any trouble in signing-in to post commentary here; I must be living a blessed life -- the FSM is Great!
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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January 3, 2010 6:13 PM
I've found if TypePad gives me the gobbletygoop page, exiting the browser and starting it up again seems to work the next time I try to sign in. Or signing in under a new tab. Just had to do that from home (OSX 10.6.2 and Foxfire 3.5.6).
Posted by: SEF
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January 3, 2010 6:14 PM
Yes, that aspect did concern me at the time. But I thought I probably wouldn't be using a flame-thrower indoors - and zombie stuff is usually associated with dark dank graveyards (much of the UK tends to be wet much of the time). So it would increase their visibility (for purposes of dodging them), with less danger of setting the whole neighbourhood on fire than is apparently the case in California; and it does at least then set a timer on how long an asthmatic and variably disabled newt/snail like me has to be able to outpace them before they're reduced to ash. I don't suppose they'd think of stopping to put themselves out somehow.
Posted by: SC OM
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January 3, 2010 6:17 PM
PZ now leads everyone else in the world 58/42. :)
Posted by: vreejack
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January 3, 2010 6:20 PM
So Microsoft's "Live" thing works when nothing else did. Go figure. Bit of overkill, though, creating a Live account.
Posted by: cafeeine
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January 3, 2010 6:21 PM
Darn, SC, you scooped me.
Posted by: SEF
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January 3, 2010 6:30 PM
That wiki page doesn't really give enough detail. How much does the brain have to be destroyed? Eg are people with severe Alzheimers very unthreatening as zombies? Would my microwave gun from university be adequate for brain-frying; or does the zombie's brain need to be completely liquified (eg with acid); or just stomped into jelly on the ground; or is mere decapitation sufficient?
Posted by: SC OM
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January 3, 2010 6:30 PM
Sorry - he leads everyone else in the universe combined.
Here's the direct link:
http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/01/03/most-godless-atheist-of-2009/
Posted by: God
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January 3, 2010 6:43 PM
I hate spammers, too. Do all those peddlers of Godhood Enhancers think I need their pills to pick up another virgin or something? I don't, and I've never ordered any! Besides, they don't deliver the products and they don't work.
Posted by: David Marjanović
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January 3, 2010 7:05 PM
Patricia, why don't you pretend you want to create a Vox blog? Has been working for me without a single problem <span style="Homer">so far</span>.
Awww. No liquid nitrogen? I like boiling stuff in nitrogen. Then I suggest pulverizing at leisure and... mixing the powder with an explosive... :-)
Of course, a lot might depend on whether you're dealing with Romero zombies or Russo zombies.
Posted by: MikeFuckingG
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January 3, 2010 7:19 PM
Please ignore, this is only a sign-in test.
Monkey squid *tap* *tap*
MONKEY SQUID *TAP*
Posted by: Rorschach
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January 3, 2010 7:22 PM
Gone off typepad, too buggy.
Movable type, never any login trouble, at least not for a while now.
As to Owlmirrir's suggestion, if we closed older threads, they would probably then just spam the newer ones, which would be really annoying !
Of course a simple captcha might stop most of them in their tracks, but SB would have to have someone to implement that.
Posted by: jcmartz.myopenid.com
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January 3, 2010 7:41 PM
I should have no problem commenting on any post since I have OpenID.
Posted by: DominEditrix
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January 3, 2010 7:44 PM
Jeebus, people, it's salt that kills zombies. So you either pepper them with rock salt [or kosher salt], or supersoak them with seawater. [Supersoakers available at Toys R Armory] Then, when they're weak, you slam some salt into their mouths and sew their lips together. I believe super glue will work, as well.
Re: Spam. I have a friend who actually likes the stuff. We're trying to have him sectioned.
It would be fun if there were a separate thread that spammers/concern trolls could be relegated to. Kinda like Dooce's [albeit short-lived] Monetizing the Hate for her insane hate mail. There is some amusement in watching them if they're in the zoo.
Posted by: wichita
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January 3, 2010 8:09 PM
OriGuy at #25, that is a lovely outrage.
Does anyone know: was Brit Hume always like this? I thought he was a respectable journalist. Is this new to him being on FOX?
Where does this put him on the douche - whore spectrum.
Posted by: RichVR
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January 3, 2010 8:57 PM
Testing.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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January 3, 2010 10:00 PM
You're thinking of slugs and snails.
Posted by: egaeus
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January 3, 2010 10:42 PM
I've never had any problems signing in. Are you sure you guys are not just technotards? :)
Seriously though, it's good that it's at least reasonably sorted out. Spammers suck, but non-working registration systems suck even more.
Posted by: otrame
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January 4, 2010 1:05 AM
In case anyone is still having sign-in issues, I've been coming in though my Live Journal account. Never had any trouble at all.
Posted by: ikt
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January 4, 2010 1:18 AM
testing
Posted by: DominEditrix
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January 4, 2010 2:27 AM
You're thinking of slugs and snails.
Clearly, you've never chatted with a voudon priest in Haiti.
OT:rubber cement thinner works really well on slugs.
And why are so many people having trouble signing in? I don't even remember what I'm using [something from an earlier sign in requirement here]. I just hit "sign in" and there I am.
Posted by: 3B
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January 4, 2010 3:09 AM
testing 2 3 4
Posted by: Andreas Johansson
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January 4, 2010 3:50 AM
Because the login software is ramshackle piece of code from hell whose function depends on the phase of the Moon and what your brother had for breakfast last week.(I'm keeping my brother on a starvation diet, so I have no problems. If you don't have a brother, tough. If you think you don't have a brother, yet can post, there's something your parents aren't/weren't telling you.)
Posted by: SEF
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January 4, 2010 5:00 AM
Yo, PZ, are the SixApart bods still hanging around ScienceBlogs and available to be prodded into fixing things properly?
Among the many sign-in problems here (eg the MT Forbidden error and fatally missing confirmation email error, the Typepad wall of text error and the silliness over the visible names for some accounts being the URL instead of the name), the missing logo images should be the easiest to fix. Someone just needs to upload them to the correct directory so we don't get things like "Author Profile Page" alt text instead of a clickable link to those.
At the moment, the working logos are:
mt_logo
typepad_logo (used instead of typekey but has typekey's design)
livejournal_logo
vox_logo
openid_logo
Missing logos are:
google_logo
yahoo_logo
aim_logo
wordpress_logo
(NB They should magically appear in those currently blank spaces, as well as next to any of their logged-in account user-names, if they ever do get uploaded! Google and Wordpress ones would already be visible on this thread if the images were available.)
Posted by: devnull73.myopenid.com
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January 4, 2010 7:50 AM
Ive never had a single issue loggin in. I use myopenid on Firefox 3.5.6 on ubuntu linux.
What are you guys using that causes all these issues?
Posted by: SEF
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January 4, 2010 8:07 AM
@ devnull73 #95:
For most of the problems, it seems to be irrelevant what OS and browser people are using. The problems are still there across different combinations.
Eg one MovableType issue is where it randomly tells people outright that they are Forbidden to use it. However, that has become a lot less credible as a reason to stop even trying to create an account now that lots more people (of no apparent specialness, such as Sb blog owners or OMs) can be seen using it.
Another, and even more annoying, MT issue is the mysteriously missing confirmation emails. They aren't simply being eaten by people's spam filters. Someone said they'd got their system network managers to check through the logs and verified that the email never came anywhere near arriving at all. Loss of this email is fatal to completing your account creation. You can't get another copy of it and your favoured login name is then gone forever, locked up in the bowels of ScienceBlogs and wasted.
The typepad/TypeKey problems include Sb randomly forgetting what it even is. This is manifested in various symptoms. Eg the Sb page generator showing the default anonymous perkin + speech bubble logo in threads instead of the key+keyhole/person one for users logged-in with typepad/TK. However, typically one can't even get logged in because, having jumped through all the hoops over at typepad itself, the swiss-cheese memory of Sb then throws up a wall of text, full of cascading errors, instead of returning to the original thread as expected when control is returned to Sb.
The problems with other account types may be mainly limited to the mess they make in showing the URL instead of the intended display name. Eg your own "devnull73.myopenid.com" is hardly neat.
The LiveJournal ones are looking quite good this time round and the few Vox pseudo-users seem to have theirs under control now.
Posted by: mmelliott01
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January 4, 2010 11:17 AM
I've always been able to sign in easily using the NSA Data Mining Operation login.
Posted by: SEF
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January 4, 2010 11:27 AM
Otherwise known as Google.
Posted by: seven1953
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January 4, 2010 11:33 AM
Test
Posted by: Jebus is my Dog
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January 4, 2010 1:26 PM
Mmmmm. Seems to work. Only took two attempts.
Posted by: ethylroor
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January 4, 2010 4:15 PM
Wordpress FTW.
Posted by: cicely (Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac)
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January 4, 2010 10:45 PM
Now I can haz sign in! All sing the praises of Nerd of Redhead!
Posted by: SEF
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January 6, 2010 2:14 PM
Having been stuck, locked-out, behind the Sb page of errors for typepad/TypeKey logins this morning, I resorted to MovableType. It doesn't seem to last very long as a login. And, unlike the TK one, the MT one doesn't reset itself to being accepted as being signed-in again on merely clicking the sign-in link. Paradoxically, on those occasions Sb actually has a better memory for TK than for its own incarnation of MT.
Posted by: SEF
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January 7, 2010 1:54 PM
A new problem (or recurring old one): a blank page after submitting a comment, no warning message, URL left on mt comments one and not bounced back properly to the thread.
Worse yet, refreshing the thread (eg opening it up again from a link) doesn't show the post appearing for several minutes (and counting). Though it did eventually appear in the last 10 comments list on the left while still not appearing in the thread itself.