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Tarryl Clark for Congress

Let’s hope Tarryl Clark can pull it off: she’s the Democratic candidate running against Michele Bachmann. She has a fairly sensible, centrist agenda so maybe it will work…but then, they could pull a mangy muskrat out of the Mississippi and run it against Bachmann, and it would be an improvement.

She doesn’t have a catchy campaign slogan yet, though. May I suggest “Tarryl Clark: Not Crazy” as a possibility?

Comments

  1. #1 Zeno
    April 3, 2010

    “Tarryl Clark: Still Sane After All These Years”

  2. #2 Givesgoodemail
    April 3, 2010

    “Tarryl Clark: I’ll Fill Out My Census Form!”

    In the meantime, here’s an interesting page.

  3. #3 lordshipmayhem
    April 3, 2010

    “A vote for Tarryl Clark is a vote for reality!”

  4. #4 a_ray_in_dilbert_space
    April 3, 2010

    Maybe we can come up with a slogan for Bachmann:

    Michelle Bachmann: When reality just isn’t good enough!

    Bachmann: The truth is powerful; it must be used sparingly

    Bachmann even got mentioned in a recent piece on Republican historical revisionist wackaloons:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3466905

  5. #5 Alsofish
    April 3, 2010

    Maybe all those people who gave last-minute money to Tinklenberg will do it soon enough to make a difference this time around.

    I do not know what’s wrong with that district but the sane people need to start voting.

  6. #6 DaveWTC
    April 3, 2010

    Barney Frank may have said it best:

    “Any movement that has Michele Bachmann as its intellectual leader is going to be problematic.”

    or something to that effect. Beautifully said and DNO! He was referring to the Tea Party movement, not bowel, although, now that I think about it, what’s the difference! (Link to this quote may have been on this site, can’t remember)

  7. #7 BlueEyedVideot
    April 3, 2010

    I’m on disability, but I’m donating $25 to her campaign right now. I’ve had more than enough of Missile Wackman. Who’ll join me?

  8. #8 Yoritomo
    April 3, 2010

    What about Maureen Reed? Isn’t there supposed to a Democratic primary, or is the party endorsement sufficient to make Clark’s nomination a certainty?

  9. #9 henlij
    April 3, 2010

    and this is the best we can find to run against Bachmann, yikes


    Tarryl was a frequent volunteer in her church, where she sang in the choir, taught Sunday school, and was one of the first female acolytes (altar girl) in her parish.

  10. #10 DaveWTC
    April 3, 2010

    @#7 I will, and I live in MN 3rd where we have our own latent bible-thumping, ID horseshit*, nutcase problem that needs fixing.

    * Apparently, Paulsen voted to teach students “to question evolution” in MN schools in 2004 and to allow ID to taught in 2005 but went all wishy-washy later when he realized which way the wind was blowing, recovering with just enough BS during his 2008 campaign to let the right people know he still supports the idea of teaching ID; I guess the 2005 Mntka school board fiasco wasn’t a big enough smack in the head for him!

  11. #11 Epikt
    April 3, 2010

    PZ:

    She doesn’t have a catchy campaign slogan yet, though. May I suggest “Tarryl Clark: Not Crazy” as a possibility?

    Once again the Firesign Theater is way ahead of us.

    http://www.cafepress.com/firesign.290838270

  12. #12 Ibis3
    April 3, 2010

    @#9:

    So “Not As Crazy!”?

  13. #13 Andyman
    April 3, 2010

    @ #9

    Yeah that’s the downside to Clark, but lets face it, what she stands for in terms of beliefs and the fact that she wants Bachmann out of office big time clearly makes her out to be one of the good guys.

    Unless of course she uses similar tactics and sound bites…

  14. #14 Andyman
    April 3, 2010

    Beliefs was a poor wording choice. I meant where she stands on the political spectrum.

  15. #15 CalGeorge
    April 3, 2010

    Meet Tarryl Clark

    [...]

    Tarryl was a frequent volunteer in her church, where she sang in the choir, taught Sunday school, and was one of the first female acolytes (altar girl) in her parish.

    [...]

    The Clarks attend St. John?s Church in St. Cloud. They enjoy spending their free time on outdoor activities, especially cross-country skiing, boating, and biking. Tarryl is also an avid quilter and gardener, and an active member of the Saint Cloud Rotary.

    http://tarrylclark.com/about

    Obviously isn’t going to be bucking the system, she’s more interested in fitting in.

  16. #16 justncase80
    April 3, 2010

    LOL! love it.

  17. #17 vernrutter
    April 3, 2010

    Redistricting? I know TPaw has a say, but can’t this district be fixed so that loons can’t be elected?

  18. #18 shonny
    April 3, 2010

    One thing about the US:
    You sure get the ‘leaders’ you deserve!
    (Hopefully Obama is an exception, but . . .)

    Pity about all the decent US citizens who are dragged under by the religious idiot majority.

  19. #19 claire-chan
    April 3, 2010

    I like Tarryl Clark: Not Crazy, but I don’t know how true it is.

  20. #20 James F
    April 3, 2010

    #15

    A quilter and a Rotarian? NEVER! Go Bachmann!!!ONE!!!

  21. #21 DaveWTC
    April 3, 2010

    @#17 Maybe that’s why Bachmann doesn’t want us to fill out the census!

  22. #22 SteveM
    April 3, 2010

    re 21:

    Actually, not filling out the census could well result in Bachmann’s district “evaporating”. She quickly stopped being anti-census once that fct became apparent.

  23. #23 blf
    April 3, 2010

    She quickly stopped being anti-census once that fct [sic] became apparent. [citation needed]

    An admittedly trivial search of Teh Internets™ only found several suggestions that boycotting the census would backfire. I did not find any evidence that Ms Wingnut has backtracked, but I could easily have missed something.

  24. #24 Sili
    April 3, 2010

    Tarryl Clark: Less Crazy?

  25. #25 Free Lunch
    April 3, 2010

    The Clarks attend St. John?s Church in St. Cloud.

    That’s an Episcopal church. Those are generally less than half a step from fully sane.

  26. #26 nesoo
    April 3, 2010

    As someone living in that district, I promise I will be out voting to get rid of that nut job.

  27. #27 SaintStephen
    April 3, 2010

    It’s troubling that even after years and YEARS of high-powered, politically potent Dick, Michele Bachmann continues to shriek like she’s never been done doggie-style.

    I’m referring to Dick Cheney, of course.

  28. #28 jcmartz.myopenid.com
    April 3, 2010

    Tarryl Clark: Bringing sanity to Congress.

  29. #29 tomh
    April 3, 2010

    henlij wrote:
    Tarryl was a frequent volunteer in her church

    If you’re only going to vote for someone who doesn’t go to church you’ll be sitting home on election day for a lot of years to come. Or you could move to Alameda County, California.

  30. #30 fred c dobbs
    April 3, 2010

    the firesign theater nailed this one years ago…

    papoon for president…he’s not insane!

    (and fred c dobbs don’t say nuthin’ he don’t mean)

  31. #31 John Sven
    April 3, 2010

    Tarryl Clark: Its time to turn down the crazy and turn up reality(dont get worried America not all the way up!

    Tarryl Clark: Vote for her she Knows its more than the Communists that have infiltrated our school systems…

  32. #32 Aquaria
    April 3, 2010

    Episcopalian, I can live with. I can still remembering people calling them “filthy commies.” They reserved “pinko liberals” for the Catholics (they let people wear–gasp!–jeans to church!).

    No, I’m not kidding.

    Anyone that can have East Texas yokels screaming Commie can’t be all bad.

  33. #33 DiscordianStooge
    April 3, 2010

    Dems in the 6th have managed to find the only person less electable than Bachmann in the last 2 elections. Patty Wetterling has done great things, but she was a horrible candidate. El-Tink wasn’t much better. Hopefully they’ve tried something else this year.

    Clark’s recent attempt to restrict state employees from staying at hotels that offer pay-per-view “adult films” for some reason doesn’t give me much hope.

  34. #34 Aquaria
    April 3, 2010

    OT, but funny:

    Best sign ever

  35. #35 DaveWTC
    April 3, 2010

    @#22,23 I must admit I do not follow her closely enough to know current situation but, if 22 is right, it’s too late – wish I’d known sooner!

  36. #36 Mobius
    April 3, 2010

    A toaster would make a better congressperson than Bachmann. While a toaster wouldn’t vote for anything good, at least it wouldn’t vote for anything bad.

    And, in a pinch, it can always make a nice piece of toast.

  37. #37 blf
    April 3, 2010

    A toaster would make a better congressperson than Bachmann.

    It would need to be at least 25 years old, so it’d be, at the latest, an ’80s model, and probably much older. With a frayed electrical lead, dodgy lever, mysterious scorch marks, and lots of burnt crumbs.

    Still a better choice that BatsInMyBelfry.

  38. #39 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Will Tarryl Clark be a more effective figure speaking against further debt accumulation then Michelle Bachmann?

    Social issues are our point. And Bachmann is a turd on those issue. Fiscal < social for our judgment…

  39. #40 tytalus
    April 3, 2010

    Hey, thanks, Auditor, for inspiring me to look up Michelle Bachman with your passionate concern. I have now read of her…interesting political career, and I look forward to the people of the 6th district coming to their senses. Please, get more people to read it and weep. I can see why her policy on education alone would be enough to get some skeptics interested.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann

    Bachmann supports the teaching of intelligent design in public school science classes.[84] During a 2003 interview on KKMS Christian radio program “Talk The Walk”, Bachmann said that evolution is a theory that has never been proven, one way or the other.[85] She co-authored a bill that would require public schools to include alternative explanations for the origin of life as part of the state’s public school science curricula.[86] In October 2006, Bachmann told a debate audience in St. Cloud, Minnesota, that “there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact or not…. There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.”[87]

    It is an object of some irony that the article cites her family as owning a mental health care practice. :)

  40. #41 boygenius
    April 3, 2010

    How did Michelle Bachmann get on the stupid-person shitlist?

    http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2010/02/favorite-michele-bachmann-quotes.html

    Sample:

    “I look at the Scripture and I read it and I take it for what it is. I give more credence in the Scripture as being kind of a timeless word of God to mankind, and I take it for what it is. And I don’t think I give as much credence to my own mind, because I see myself as being very limited and very flawed, and lacking in knowledge, and wisdom and understanding. So, I just take the Bible for what it is, I guess, and recognize that I am not a scientist, not trained to be a scientist. I’m not a deep thinker on all of this. I wish I was. I wish I was more knowledgeable, but I’m not a scientist.” – Michele Bachmann interviewing with Todd Fiel at KKMS as quoted in the Stillwater Gazette, September 29, 2003.

  41. #42 MAJeff, OM
    April 3, 2010

    My favorite Bachmann moment has to be when she hid in the bushes to spy on an LGBT-rights rally at the Capitol.

  42. #43 boygenius
    April 3, 2010

    Auditor #43;

    I don’t know anything about Michelle Bachmann. I better look her up and see if I can see her speaking to see what your real reasons are for not liking her. Since this idea about her being a toaster, or whatever, has some ways to go as a form of deep political and policy insight.

    See, the people who have concluded that a toaster would make a better candidate have looked her up and seen her speaking. Ergo, they have valid reasons for not liking her.

    You, on the other hand are a liberturdian tea bagger who will support someone without knowing anything about them simply because they are a Conservative Republican TM.

  43. #44 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    Auditor, care to spout a couple more right-wing talking points? After “teach the controversy”, “Nazis were liberals”, and the “liberals are all on welfare, that’s why they want it”, I only need a few more for my right-wing bingo.

  44. #45 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    erk. that should have been “and the ‘liberals are all on welfare, that’s why they want it’ variant“, since I haven’t actually encountered the liberals and housing-bubble version before.

  45. #46 dnebdal.myopenid.com
    April 3, 2010

    @Auditor, 42:
    She got onto my personal list of people I’d prefer to see out of office when she started accusing random democratic senators of being Anti-American, and then later defended the implicit McCarthy association. I’m not overly keen on people who think organized witchhunts aginst anyone to the left of them politically sounds like a peachy idea.

    Of course, that’s the pinko commie in me speaking.

  46. #47 DLC
    April 3, 2010

    The simplest slogan of all:
    Clark: Not Michelle Bachmann.

  47. #48 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    Okay so what is the indictment against Michelle Bachmann really?

    She’s a gigantic moron who wouldn’t know reality if it came up and put her in a re-education camp.

  48. #49 Owlmirror
    April 3, 2010

    Is the anti-Bachmann thing a vote against Jews?

    Your insipid anti-Semite bingo is noted.

    The wrong-footing the rightists as being anti-semitic that has gone on since World War II starting to break down and the real national socialists leaping out again.

    Tch. And you have your swastika badge and shiny SS tags polished up.

    I don’t know anything about Michelle Bachmann.

    You don’t seem to have a problem writing volubly about things you don’t know about, so why stop now?

  49. #50 MAJeff, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Wow, we got a live nutter in auditor.

  50. #51 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    yess!! “abortion” and “global warming is a hoax”!!!!

    bingo!!!!

  51. #52 MAJeff, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Jadehawk,

    As a German, what do you think about the claims that national socialism was a leftist movement?

  52. #53 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    How did Michelle Bachmann get on the stupid-person shitlist? Did you mistake her for a former Bachmann and Turner Overdrive band member?

    Was that an attempt at being clever?

    Surely you must have some reasons for it. Could it be a fervent belief in shutting down debate in schools and locking in dumb-left norms and beliefs? The need to end intellectual diversity?

    How about a fervent desire to stick with solid science and accurate history in the schools and an equally fervent desire to keep superstition and historical revisionism out of schools?

    Could it be that you want the dollar to collapse so that you don’t have to pay off your multiple real estate investments?

    Could it be that you’re grasping at straws?

  53. #54 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Did someone audit the Auditor’s brain?

  54. #55 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    As a German, what do you think about the claims that national socialism was a leftist movement?

    I think it’s historically illiterate bullshit. Not only did the whole movement grow out of provincial, conservative Munich, Hitler was installed as chancellor by the reactionary, aristocratic wing. in the Weimar Republic, you really couldn’t get any further right than the Nazis and the royalists/aristocrats

  55. #56 MAJeff, OM
    April 3, 2010

    MMMMMM….fetus sashimi.

  56. #57 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    You must be nearly wall-to-wall students, and public spending beneficiaries.

    yes, PZ himself is a student on welfare. ROTFLMAO

    your grasp on reality is very very tenuous, at best, Auditor. no wonder you like Bachmann, you live in the same parallel universe in which oil is a renewable resource, the laws of physics don’t apply to humans, and embryos are human, but poor people, immigrants, women etc. aren’t, and goddidit is a valid answer to everything.

  57. #58 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    there is no debate on evolution; it’s a solid scientific theory which has beaten out all its competitors over a century ago. Do try to catch up at least to the 20th century, Auditor.

  58. #59 InfuriatedSciTeacher
    April 3, 2010

    The Auditor drooled:

    You must be nearly wall-to-wall students, and public spending beneficiaries. Once in awhile you need to think about the your benefactors, the people you are exploiting, and the people the government spending has forced into unemployment.

    I love when people make assumptions about those on the other end of an internet conversation based on their own masturbatory political fantasies.
    Yes, Auditor, we’re all leftist socialist communist nazis who are on the dole, eating your tax money in the form of food stamps, when we don’t sell those to support our drug habits. Oh, and many of us are also students who have never worked a day in our lives at anything you would call a real job (since nothing that doesn’t involve dirt is a real job, right?). We’re all out to exploit the system and all those hard-working American tax payers that Obama is out to rape by making them cough up a little so everyone can afford a doctor when they’re ill, or just when they need another round of babykilling.
    Our lynch mob is at your door, care to open it?

    /snark Does anyone who lives in a civilised country with good beer have a flat to let? I’m tired of being associated by citizenship with fucktards like the one above.

  59. #60 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    Can you point to me somewhere on this site where the incredible leap we humans (just for one example)made about two hundred thousand years ago

    what leap? there is no leaping.

  60. #61 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    So its all about junk science and killing babies with the national socialist crowd then right?

    No, only in your wet dreams. No Nazi’s here. Just regular Americans who think the religious right is a bunch of idjits.

    So that millions of people can go back to work, in your view?

    Only in the wet dreams of the Religious right. Franklin’s spending helped to end the great depression, as most economists agree.

    Once in awhile you need to think about the your benefactors,

    What benefactors? The rich are liberturds, who feel they shouldn’t share their ill gotten gains. What a loser.

  61. #62 raven
    April 3, 2010

    auditor brain damaged troll:

    Is the anti-Bachmann thing a vote against Jews? Perhaps thats it. The wrong-footing the rightists as being anti-semitic that has gone on since World War II starting to break down and the real national socialists leaping out again.

    Bachmann isn’t Jewish you idiot. She is a member of a Christofascist cult of extremist Lutherans, the WELS. 60% of Hitler’s millions of willing followers were….LUTHERANS.

    We realize you have severe brain damage from unsuccessful attempts to cross the street without your minder. Take your medications and go find a website full of crazies to play with.

  62. #63 Owlmirror
    April 3, 2010

    Can you point to me somewhere on this site where the incredible leap we humans (just for one example)made about two hundred thousand years ago has been explained adequately in evolutionary theory?

    You’re obviously not interested in science, or in reality, so why pretend that you are?

    Yes of course there will be some sort of excellent, non-religious and rational explanation for this. But we certainly are not seeing it from the people we would expect to see it from.

    Because the reality-based community is not the reality-based community?

    It is in the nature of things then, that if you forcefully cut off debate in this matter, we will go on another century, not getting a good answer to this problem.

    No-one is “cutting off debate”, as long as that debate is grounded in reality. Which science denialists are not.

    So I’m a concern blogger.

    You’re not even that.

    I’m also a taxpayer, and I’m not seeing good value for money.

    You wouldn’t know “good value” from a bubble on the verge of collapsing.

  63. #64 dexitroboper
    April 3, 2010

    Here’s a list of the words you need to use to communicate with a Tealiban Teahadi like Auditor.

  64. #65 dnebdal.myopenid.com
    April 3, 2010

    @Auditor, 55:
    Actually, I’m not even american. I just follow your politics with some interest. (In other words, don’t worry: I don’t vote in your country.)

    Anyway. What she said in the interview that started this off was:

    The news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. I wish they would, I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out are they are pro-America or anti-America

    That’s a bit vague, but came as a follow up to some specific claims about Obama and his advisors, about whom she respectively said “I’m very concerned that he may have anti-American views” , and “I think the people that Barack Obama has been associating with are anti-American, by and large”.

    As for defending McCarthy, I can not find a source for that, so I’ll cede that half for now – consider it a point in your direction, if you’re keeping track.

    That still leaves her using “anti-american” as a smear aginst her opponents, and wanting to dig for “anti-american” sentiments in her political opponents. As directions go, that’s a fairly nasty one: In the best case, it’s a cheap way to condense “my opponents disagree with my policies, which are of course in line with some historical American Ideal” into a sound bite. In the worst case, it’s an attempt to seed a disrespect for the legal and moral standing of anyone she or her voters happen to disagree with. Either way, it leaves me with a sour taste, and that’s before we consider if she was indirectly refering to the HUAC or not.

  65. #66 Meathead
    April 3, 2010

    Auditor, that you Birdman? Say “throw another shrimp on the barbie” for me, cuz you sound familiar. What are your views on the space time continuum? Too much Fosters again?

  66. #67 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    Public service jobs are welfare jobs.

    why do you hate America? why do you hate police officers and firefighters who risk their lives daily? why do you hate soldiers?

    you do not value science and education, and that means you’re what will destroy America. Asia is waiting to take over, with its highly educated workforce.

    The great leap forward that may have come two hundred thousand years ago.

    what the fuck are you talking about; there was no leap of any sort.

  67. #68 InfuriatedSciTeacher
    April 3, 2010

    Auditor>
    If that was a legitimate request, you can start here. It was the result of typing “human evolution into Google, and deciding that it looked like a reasonable site, which took all of about 15 seconds. Try it yourself some time.

    I expect people in the public sector who are campaigning to close down alternative views in the schools by brute force, to be able to give us a plausible explanation for human evolution.

    We expect people who claim there are “alternative views” as if such things were legitimate science to have not done their homework, or to have been so heavily brainwashed by their religion that providing information to them is pointless. I suspect this is the case again.

  68. #69 raven
    April 3, 2010

    http://www.WELS.net:

    Luther left no doubt where he stood concerning the Papacy when he wrote, “This teaching [of the supremacy of the pope] shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. This is, properly speaking, to exalt himself above all that is called God. . . . The Pope, however, prohibits this faith, saying that to be saved a person must obey him” (Smalcald Articles, II, IV, 10-12).

    Michele Bachmann’s church the WELS, has an official doctrine that the Pope is the antichrist. It is right on their website which is copied above.

    I’ve always wondered what the Catholics in her district thought about having a representative who is a member of a rabidly anti-Catholic cult.

    Whatever, she keeps getting reelected. These days even the Catholics might be wondering about the Pope.

  69. #70 dnebdal.myopenid.com
    April 3, 2010

    @Auditor, 73:
    Which leap?

    To the best of our knowledge, there was no leap in society. There was no leap in brain development. There was no leap in physiology. There was no leap in speech. There was no leap in tool making. Whatever you meant, there was probabl no leap in it.

    It has all accumulated slowly. Gradually. Over a long time. Not all of it is, or can ever be, documented. Some of it can be, and some of that has been. If you could please be much more specific, we might even be able to present some of that documentation, or at least the relevant debate.

  70. #71 raven
    April 3, 2010

    auditor the nutcase:

    Indeed he is. Public service jobs are welfare jobs. This is what I meant. This would go for the rest of you as well.

    How would you know? As a mentally ill creep on SSI, you wouldn’t know what a job was if they forced one on you.

    Obviously mentally ill troll. Not worth feeding.

    PZ cleanup on Aisle 2, a troll just piddled.

  71. #72 https://me.yahoo.com/a/ShzivAo1rdQ2nGo309LmJ0Xh#039ef
    April 3, 2010

    @Alsofish,5:

    There are sane people in her district?

  72. #73 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    You mean you have no intention to so much as debate the precise nature of evolution.

    well, seeing as the debate happens in the scientific literature, and I myself am not a scientist, that would be correct. Scientific debate doesn’t happen on blogs, you know.

    It ought to be. But unfortunately its not.

    and you base this claim on what? there’s millions of scientific papers testing the theory every year, and so far it’s done excellently at not being falsified. Sounds like a solid scientific theory to me.

    The apparent leap onto the scene of early modern humans.

    again, what the fuck are you talking about. there is no such leap. human evolution is pretty gradual.

  73. #74 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    You mean you have no intention to so much as debate the precise nature of evolution.

    We will get on that debate as sonn as we open up the class room to the debate about gold being found at the end of the rainbow, Zeus tosses down lightning bolts and that the planets and stars do intricate loops around the Earth.

  74. #75 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    Plus Michelle is hotter then your average economist

    figures, the troll is a sexist, too.

  75. #76 ckitching
    April 3, 2010

    again, what the fuck are you talking about. there is no such leap. human evolution is pretty gradual.

    He’s probably talking about the acceleration in brain size increases discovered about 200,000 years ago. Some journalists picked up on it, and misreported it as the brain suddenly growing 30% larger in an instant. Creationists have taken hold of this as a supposed data point in favour of their origin story.

  76. #77 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Auditor, instead of blowing your butt trumpet, please give one instance of Bachmann being right on any subject.

    Carbon dioxide!

    Or you can join the circle jerk at Powerline.

  77. #78 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    aaah, you’re probably right, ckitching. that’s what happens when someone learns everything they know from the press.

  78. #79 Owlmirror
    April 3, 2010

    Public service jobs are welfare jobs.

    LOL. What a special assertion.

    I expect people in the public sector who are campaigning to close down alternative views in the schools by brute force, to be able to give us a plausible explanation for human evolution.

    You wouldn’t know a plausible explanation for human evolution if it were published in scientific peer-reviewed journals, and/or science textbooks written by peer-reviewed scientists, and/or made freely available on Internet websites by peer-reviewed scientists.

    Because you’re just not that interested.

    The great leap forward

    Maoist mass-murderer.

    I could put forward a dozen explanations myself, at least eleven of them wrong.

    Or not even that.

    But I’m not seeing this from the strident national socialists.

    I’m not seeing any interest in science from you, strident Nazi.

    I’m sure you have at least one thread that can answer this question to a great level of satisfaction.

    Nothing can satisfy you, Nazi, except genocide.

    ==========

    You mean you have no intention to so much as debate the precise nature of evolution.

    You mean you have no intention of understanding evolution so as to understand what is up for debate and what is not, Nazi thug.

    “…. it’s a solid scientific theory….”
    It ought to be. But unfortunately its not.

    Nazis are well-known as being science denialists.

    The apparent leap onto the scene of early modern humans.

    It wasn’t by being Nazis like you, Nazi.

    Plus Michelle is hotter then your average economist as well as being right on matters economic.

    LOL. This from someone who just said “I don’t know anything about Michelle Bachmann.”

    You can’t even keep your lies straight — just like a Nazi.

  79. #80 Sioux Laris
    April 3, 2010

    Wh-what? I live in Japan and spent some time drinking and chatting under the cherry blossoms, but 4/1 was still a couple days ago, right?
    Why is this “Auditor” shit still making with the unfunny pranks?

    Anyone has the gall to call me a Nazi better be ready for some serious, but still funny (to any bystanders) physical comedy. But, then, they only have nerve on the Net – the very few idiot “Republicans” I’ve met here (wingnuts know that real Mer’kins don’ trabell!) slink away whenever simply asked questions.

    Please ban this idiot for offenses listed as abuse of privileges.

  80. #81 James F
    April 3, 2010

    #90

    As well as a magnificent figure for a girl her age.

    I sense a bit of the Edgar Allan.

  81. #82 Meathead
    April 3, 2010

    Auditurd shat:
    3. The global warming racket. Science tells us we will soon be cooling. Science also tells us that extra CO2 is good for the environment. Economics tells us that this racket will destroy industrial civilization.

    By “science” I imagine you mean the magical leprechaun under your bed. Or did you actually have some, what do them damn libruhls in the Blue states call it, um… evidence, yeah that’s it, evidence.

  82. #83 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    I wonder if the Bachmann supporter can tell us about the FDR Hoot-Smalley Tariffs?

    Or maybe about the Swine Flu outbreak in the 70′s during Carter’s administration? When she said this?

    I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter. And I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.

    Or possibly about 100% of our economy being private before September 2008?

    Or when she said that health care reform was unconstitutional because

    It is not within our power as members of Congress, it?s not within the enumerated powers of the Constitution, for us to design and create a national takeover of health care. Nor is it within our ability to be able to delegate that responsibility to the executive.

    I guess Article 1 of the constitution is irrelevant?

    Or ask her about CO2 being 3% of the atmosphere

    Or about if the Census asks if you are an American citizen?

    It’s not just that she’s wrong about a great many things, it’s that she’s plain fucking stupid and lies about thing.s

  83. #84 Owlmirror
    April 3, 2010

    1. Drilling… to give time to put the nuclear power stations in place.

    2. Cutting spending. To stop financial collapse and to get people back at work.

    Nice going, Nazi. You manage to contradict yourself in your first two points.

    Science tells us we will soon be cooling. Science also tells us that extra CO2 is good for the environment. Economics tells us that this racket will destroy industrial civilization.

    Nice lies, Nazi. I bet you say that science says that black is white, too.

    Keeping debate open in school. Which will force those scientists, who wish to close debate down by force, to get their act together.

    Nice strawman-genocide, there, Nazi.

    As well as a magnificent figure for a girl her age.

    Nice sexism, Nazi.

  84. #85 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    1. Drilling

    For a commodity that will only last a few years. In order to replace it with a system that is even more unsafe.

    2. Cutting spending.

    Where do we start? Why not the two biggest moneyholes, Iraq and Afghanistan.

    You do know the the biggest growth in spending has been with the Republicans in recent decades.

    3. The global warming racket.

    You are blowing out of your butt trumpet. Read what the climate scientists have to say. Not distorted stories as told by people who do not know the subject.

    4. Abortion.

    And why is this an issue that should be resolved by individual states? Why not argue on a woman’s right? Oh. What that has been done. You just happen to not like the results.

    5. Keeping debate open in school.

    There is no debate about evolution. Only about how it works. Or should children also be taught the fantasy of an earth centered universe in order to have debate.

    Very good, Auditor. You are 0 for 5. Back to the minor leagues with you.

  85. #86 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010

    O.o

    did you just make that shit up to prove the quoted point about you not being able to recognize a scientific explanation…?

  86. #87 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    Science tells us we will soon be cooling. Science also tells us that extra CO2 is good for the environment. Economics tells us that this racket will destroy industrial civilization.

    Oh it does does it?

    Care you point to the relevant scientific literature?

  87. #88 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    He can blow that butt trumpet for such long and substantive notes.

    He is the Kenny G of fucktards.

  88. #89 efrique
    April 3, 2010

    Hmm. A slogan.

    Tarryl Clark: Not completely bug-fuck nuts. So that’s a plus.

  89. #90 jafafahots
    April 3, 2010

    Poe.

  90. #91 Jadehawk OM, Hardcore Left-Winger
    April 3, 2010
    Science tells us we will soon be cooling. Science also tells us that extra CO2 is good for the environment. Economics tells us that this racket will destroy industrial civilization.

    Oh it does does it?

    Care you point to the relevant scientific literature?

    what he means is that he read it in a magazine, or on some website.

    because science is done by the popular press, dontcha know?

  91. #92 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Chimpy, I think the blower of the butt trumpet takes seriously the media hype of the seventies about global cooling. He is too stupid and lazy to find out that most climate scientists of that time did not by into it.

    Blow that tuneless trumpet.

  92. #93 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    It ought to be. But unfortunately its not.

    If you lie about that, what else will you lie about? Just about everything from the looks of it. Not acknowledging the truth gets to be habit that reflects badly on those who bear falsehoods. Lying loser written all over your posts.

  93. #94 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Try me national socialist. I

    Nobody here is a Nazi. Your claim is false.

    Homo Erectus had our species pinned to the coast.

    No citation, an obvious lie. Keep it up loser.

    Now thats about the best guess I can make at it

    I applaud your attempt a fiction. No citations to the peer reviewed literature means it is fiction. Like the rest of your posts. Worthless as far as information content goes.

    And it is a practical matter therefore that you ought to let the Christians talk to the children, until such time as you get your act together.

    What Xians? The liars and bullshitters who can’t show physical evidence for their imaginary deity, or that any written records for Jebus was at best written at least a couple of generations after the fact? What a loser.

  94. #95 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    Not where you are no. But there ought to be. Thats the problem.

    As soon as the people wanting a debate can provide some actual scientific evidence to the contrary, there is no debate on evolution.

    Period.

  95. #96 InfuriatedSciTeacher
    April 3, 2010

    Because if you don’t acknowledge,at least the appearance of this great leap forward you are not being serious. And it is a practical matter therefore that you ought to let the Christians talk to the children, until such time as you get your act together.

    Because a Bronze Age fairytale is a better explanation than what science can provide? Really?! If you can’t personally explain how gravity works in light of both relativity and quantum mechanics, should we then be forced to tell children that their imaginary friend is what holds them to the ground?

    So the apparent leap into the fossil record 200 000 years ago is apparent only.

    Do you enjoy contradicting yourself, or did you copy and paste without bothering to read what you paste?

    I’d be interested to hear what you think the definition of neotony is… you seem to have it completely up your own ass about that part. You’ve also pieced in bits that look like the Aquatic Ape hypothesis, which is a complete joke.

    Other than that… your story revolves around the out of Africa theory coupled with an evolutionary bottleneck that caused further differentiation in Africa, which is reasonably well accepted. Tool use dates back at least 2.5 mya, so it hasn’t much to do with your question about the apparent rapid change in brain size of 200kya. The timing does intersect nicely with things like cooking, which coincides with the eating more meat and the greater energetic benefits that come from that.

    Early on our adaptive differentiation kept on making us interbreed with H.E. I’m talking millions of years ago. But somewhere one lot of us had the lucky break of losing a couple of chromosones and this allowed for the adaptations to be no longer watered down as much.

    There are so many things wrong with this set of statements that I don’t even know where to begin. Is English your native language? You seem to be having difficulty stringing complete thoughts together to form sentences.

  96. #97 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    Sorrry that should have been

    Until the people wanting a debate….

  97. #98 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    I must have come to the right place for evidence then after all this time.

    Try the same place we get our information: the peer reviewed scientific literature. Not from liars and bullshitter denialists you thinkaccept as scientific… what a loser.

  98. #99 InfuriatedSciTeacher
    April 3, 2010

    citations for my rant:

    cooking: Catching fire Richard Wrangham
    (there’s some debate as to whether it was meat or tubers that cooking allowed greater use)

    Tool use: Olduwan sites in E. Africa (a host of papers on this), and some S. Africa sites (D’Errico 2001, South African Journal of Science)

  99. #100 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    Ah It is graeme bird again.

  100. #101 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    I made it all up.

    We both know that. Which is why your tall tales are nothing to be concerned about. Loser.

    I was hoping there would be a valid explanation somewhere on this site.

    Try the peer reviewed scientific literature. Found at institutions of higher education world wide. You are obviously not acquainted with either higher education or scientific libraries. Loser

  101. #102 PZ Myers
    April 3, 2010

    Reaffirming his kook status, it turns out that “Auditor” is Graeme Bird under a new pseudonym.

  102. #103 Meathead
    April 3, 2010

    The Auditurd of Record:
    Homo Erectus had our species pinned to the coast. Being pinned to the coast we could escape from H.E simply by swimming out to sea. H.E was so much more powerful then us with his big bone density, but we could live on the coast and make it into the water, when any predator was around…blah, blah, fucking blah…

    Ooh, I like the beginning but here’s how I with MY mighty “science” like to end the story

    Then see, there were aliens passing by on their way to rape some sheep and they noticed how erectus was beating up on us and also how lithe, bony and delightfully rapeable we were. At once they abandoned their unseemly sheep-lust and took to raping H. sapiens. The alien DNA mixed with ours and gave us just that edge we needed to drive those erectiod bastards to extinction. Even today, our alien progenitors occasionally pay a visit and get a little raping in. Of course they have to be more low key these days, that’s why only backwoods hillbilly types like Auditurd here get to see them.

  103. #104 'Tis Himself, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Poe or fucktard, I’m not sure which.

  104. #105 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    new pseudonym, same dumbass

  105. #106 Nerd of Redhead, OM
    April 3, 2010

    PZ, clean-up aisle Hadron Collider. Ish was back.

  106. #107 ckitching
    April 3, 2010

    3. The global warming racket. Science tells us we will soon be cooling. Science also tells us that extra CO2 is good for the environment. Economics tells us that this racket will destroy industrial civilization.

    So, now you trust the economists? Funny how you trust them when they say things that fit your preconceptions, and reject them when they do not.

    Okay, why don’t you spin this next one for us. Michelle Bachmann said that she will not fully complete her census form because, “That?s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps.” Of course, she wasn’t saying that she was going to be rounded up into internment camps, just strongly implying it.

    Of course, since you’re implying everyone else here is a Nazi (despite the fact you’ve shown no indication that you understand what that is), you probably agree with her on this piece of personal paranoia.

  107. #108 James F
    April 3, 2010

    #102

    Reaffirming his kook status, it turns out that “Auditor” is Graeme Bird under a new pseudonym.

    I’ll exorcise him with a far superior Bird, from Morris Day and the Time.

  108. #109 Janine, Mistress Of Foul Mouth Abuse, OM
    April 3, 2010

    ‘Tis, that was not a poe. The Auditbird means every incoherent tweet. You can visit the dungeon in order to find a link to his site. He devotes two posts to his being banned by PZ. Strangely enough, most of the comments are also by him.

  109. #110 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 3, 2010

    I’ll exorcise him with a far superior Bird, from Morris Day and the Time.

    Were you watching Purple Rain a bit ago?

    Jerome, bring me a mirror.

  110. #111 AJ Milne
    April 3, 2010

    Hrm. I’ve nothing against Ms. Clark, specifically, see… Indeed, I’ve never even heard of her, technically…

    But these ‘it could be worse’ campaign slogans are just too awesome to pass up.

    So… Umm…

    (Cracks knuckles…)

    Tarryl Clark: I’ll stay on my meds.

    Tarryl Clark: They got nothin’ nothin’ indictable on me.

    Tarryl Clark: Frequently sober.

    Tarryl Clark: Frequently lucid.

    Tarryl Clark: Of sound mind so far as the court-appointed analyst could determine, anyway…

    (/Mandatory TV Nation reference: ‘Louis Bruno… He won’t rat you out’)

  111. #112 Meathead
    April 3, 2010

    Yeah, I thought I heard the bird tweeting when Auditurd went off about cutting spending to get more jobs. No surprises.

  112. #113 Comeback
    April 3, 2010

    at the risk of making everyone jump back in their seats and go ‘whoah!’, has anyone given any consideration to the possibility that Graeme Bird may be smarter than all of us? (and I humbly postulate that at least 90% of you are smarter than I am.)
    Is there a chance that he is a satirist of such extreme, cutting edge intellect that he makes The Chaser team http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/04/2589089.htm and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZw2Z7LJqxw look like a kindergarten nativity play?
    No, me neither. This ‘person’ is the biggest whackaloon I have yet come across. Some of his terminology, his avoidance of actually answering questions and his non-evidential assertions are gob-smacking.
    Rupert the Bear could poll more votes than him in an election.

  113. #114 'Tis Himself, OM
    April 3, 2010

    Janine,

    ‘Tis, that was not a poe.

    So my other guess was correct: fucktard.

  114. #115 Ol'Greg
    April 3, 2010

    Holy crap. Every time I get busy with something it seems like this Graem Bird person shows up. I’m making a piece of artwork to donate to a local show that benefits the art community here. I baked some rye bread. It turned out awesome and I plan to blog about it and some other random crud in a minute.

    Oh well… always missing the action :P

  115. #116 modal77
    April 4, 2010

    wow….its like crazy,,,

    http://www.exodiac.net/