…and this is a 
A few people have written me saying I should go easy on those Christian praying for the Gulf — it's harmless, they say, it's just building social bonds, etc., etc., etc. Well, la-de-dah — they're delusional. I don't just mean the people praying, but also those making excuses for them. Somehow, it's OK to pretend that the Baptist getting down on his knees begging God to stop the oil isn't really asking God to stop the oil…he's just engaging in a social ritual to soothe his psyche, and we shouldn't disturb his emotional equilibrium.
Bunk. Believers believe. Quit pretending that they're all really just faitheists, because they're not. Here's a poll that illustrates that they really are thinking that prayer does something.
BP has tried many ways to stop the Gulf oil leak. Is it time to give prayer a chance?
Yes 72.87 %
No 20.11 %
Not sure 7.02 %
Like the fact that BP has been making failed attempts to stop the leak interferes with everyone's ability to pray; as if none of these believers has been praying right along with the real-world engineering efforts; as if failure means now is the time to give up altogether and close our eyes and beg a ghost in outer space to fix our problems.
Give them some credit: these Christian wankers are entirely sincere, and entirely wrong.
Comments
Posted by: Miles670
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June 25, 2010 11:32 PM
Not at all related but very cool little gif:
http://fukung.net/v/8256/25be37ba7b5a8f06b7d4b426fefe0da9.gif
Figured the pharyngula peeps might like.
Posted by: Michelle R
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June 25, 2010 11:36 PM
Well said. The believers believe they have direct influence over their sky daddy. Which is why they do it to begin with.
Still, what an asshole hmm? You have to ASK him to stop a bloody environmental disaster. Can't he see by himself that the Gulf's getting fucked over real bad? We have to point him to the right direction. Paaah-the-tic.
Posted by: catskill
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June 25, 2010 11:40 PM
You have a magical god on your side and the only thing you pray for is to help clean up the mess? What about all the animals that have suffered agonizing deaths? Can we just request turn back time and the spill never happened? What about just asking to make oil non toxic forever? No, we will pray for an extra mop.
Posted by: Peter H
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June 25, 2010 11:42 PM
All prayers are answered. 'Most times the answer is "no."
Now, as to this swamp land I was describing to you . . . .
Posted by: raven
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June 25, 2010 11:43 PM
Why should they have to pray for more than a minute anyway?
God is omniscient and omnipotent. He can do anything.
By now he must know about the spill. Any 5 year old can watch it on TV or surf the net. If god can't turn on a TV set, why call it god?
So why hasn't he stopped the oil spill? Better yet, why did he let it happen in the first place.
It happened off of Louisiana, close to the heart of fundie xian land. Near where a hurricane destroyed New Orleans a few years ago. Maybe god hates fundie xians.
Posted by: eddylinc
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June 25, 2010 11:47 PM
A late night challenge. Let's see how this turns out.
But come on PZ, God doesn't know where it's at, Simian appendages do:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/313508/june-24-2010/put-the-cursed-monkey-paw-down
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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June 25, 2010 11:59 PM
Oh you silly naughty atheists. Gawd isn't giving a damn about the shrimps, his eye is upon the sparrow.
Posted by: Glen Davidson
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June 26, 2010 12:03 AM
Oh come on, a trillion failures of prayer with no (real) successes doesn't prove that it doesn't work.
To be fair, the odds are running a tad low, however...
Glen Davisdon
Posted by: mistereveready
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June 26, 2010 12:14 AM
theist are depressing. can't just do something and relax, have to deal with stupidity all the damn time from people and theist just add to that load.
Posted by: Opus
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June 26, 2010 12:17 AM
Jeeezus H. Christ!
Warn me before you send me to that website! "General Disarray" is the headline re Prez O and the summer. . .
Voted, but it's time for the hordes to pour in: it's still 70% pro-idiocy.
Posted by: Marco
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June 26, 2010 12:21 AM
Glen Davidson wrote:
It doesn't prove that the green monster of planet Erebus doesn't exist either. Or anything else, for that matter.
We don't have to prove that prayer doesn't work: it's up to the prayeristas to prove that it does work.
There are far better ways to "build social bonds" — like community organizing and action to demand that those responsible be held accountable. That builds far more solid social bonds than the pathetically solipsistic and defeatist retreat into individual pleas to the Man In The Sky.
Posted by: Vixen Strangely
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June 26, 2010 12:22 AM
I gamed out some scenarios that would look like actual divine intervention here: http://vixenstrangelymakesuncommonsense.blogspot.com/2010/06/and-then-for-their-next-trick-theyll.html but none of them seem especially plausible. Odds are, they wait it out until something good (and reasonable and plausible) happens and say "See? It works!" after however much time passed for something to work.
I can understand praying together to lean on each other as a communal way of acknowledging they'll have to stick together to get through all this--but implying it will do anything for the oil gusher itself is a reach.
Posted by: spam.away.666
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June 26, 2010 12:24 AM
This coming from the man who posts polls to crash regularly on his blog.
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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June 26, 2010 12:31 AM
Damn straight 666. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I'll bounce one off your poll fuckwit.
Posted by: Lyra
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June 26, 2010 12:36 AM
The thing that vexes me about prayer thing is that I expect the proponents of prayer to declare that their prayers worked once this is fixed NO MATTER HOW IT IS FIXED. No matter how long it takes, no matter how scientific the solution is, no matter how much damage is done before the leak is plugged, once a solution is found, these people will declare that their prayers made all the difference. Barring the possibility that we don't plug it (and all the oil spews out in the gulf), the result for these people is predetermined. They don't need to give prayer a "chance" because they have decided that their prayers will succeed before anything even happens.
Posted by: Lyra
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June 26, 2010 12:43 AM
Er, I guess I'm just seconding Vixen Strangely. Note to self: read other comments, first.
Posted by: spam.away.666
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June 26, 2010 12:44 AM
I don't think you got my point, Patricia, because I didn't make it clear in my post. There have been a LOT of posts by PZ where he puts up an internet poll, claims it's ridiculous to even assume its useful for, well, pretty much anything. I just found the hypocrisy ironic in this case, amusingly so.
And for the record, I'm an atheist.
Posted by: Kyle N
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June 26, 2010 12:46 AM
If prayer is the answer then it must've been given by really deluded people.
I think this oil spill is God's way of saying we shouldn't require pregnant women to have an ultrasound before getting an abortion. Preemptive strike against Louisiana. Man, that God is forward-thinking!
Posted by: Robbie
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June 26, 2010 12:54 AM
That dear old omnipotent all powerful gawd. The same gawd who's done nothing, no new limbs for amputees, no more hunger for third world kids, no more child rape in its church, no cure for cancer, diabetes, parkinsons, alzheimers etc. The same gawd that, if the deluded are to be believed that allowed the spill to happen in the first place. Even if the lawd was to fix it, he / she's a failure. Damage has been done. The sky fairy hasn't had any effect (as if it ever has) and simply won't, 'coz it doesn't exist. They'll do nothing but get the warm rosy glow you get when you feel that you've helped, when deep down you know you haven't.
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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June 26, 2010 12:58 AM
666 - I have never found PZ to be a hypocrite.
And your being an atheist does mean you aren't an ass.
Posted by: Patricia, OM
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June 26, 2010 1:00 AM
doesn't
damn it!
Posted by: Harbo
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June 26, 2010 1:03 AM
Since when has an internet poll been useful?
Except of course to prove you are a poopyhead.
Posted by: Harbo
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June 26, 2010 1:06 AM
still only 22%
get the lead out you guys!
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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June 26, 2010 1:12 AM
That radio station is right wing and wacko. They even have George Norry's "Coast to Coast."
Posted by: JHS
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June 26, 2010 1:14 AM
It's the typical line that people throw at non-believers, even when entirely unprovoked, and even by fellow atheists/agnostics sometimes: "I know you don't believe in god, but just let the credulous do their thing. It makes them happy, provides solace, social bonding..." yada yada.
Frankly, I understand the impulse. (Don't share it, but understand it). Talking about the futility of prayer in the aftermath of crisis, while plenty of god fearin' folk are doing their thing, is regarded as even lower than showing up in a clown costume with an air horn at a funeral. Or, in a more everyday context, giving a eulogy that slams and defames the dead. People take it as making the pain worse on purpose, rubbing victims' noses in their misery, etc. An offshoot of the "atheist-as-humbug/emotionless bastard" stereotype.
Of course, this is all built upon the idea that tragedy/death/sadness/etc exist separately from, you know, reality. Particularly when the tragedy that these people are praying "for" is the result of ongoing corporate malfeasance. No, I don't get up at relatives' funerals and coldly say, "She died. It's sad. Go home," which is I'm sure what most people assume the average atheist would do. But I also don't believe for a second that my loving memories and praise will somehow bring Great Aunt Sally back to life, or cure her beforehand, as the case may be.
I'm rambling, but the point of PZ's post was that some people are saying "lay off," because, you know, .... .... . . . what? And the 'what' always seems to boil down to "Don't tell these devastated people what they don't want to hear." Last I checked, no atheists have been down in the Gulf region, pissing on prayer circles. But when governments/states/official entities float prayer as a viable, official means of helping a man-made disaster, of course it is legit to call bullshit.
Posted by: AlisonS
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June 26, 2010 1:42 AM
Of course Gawd doesn't give a rat's ass about shrimp - they're an abomination, right up there with all those other abominations in Leviticus. That must be why he let the spill happen, and why he doesn't swoop down from the sky to plug the leak.
Prayer is just a useless waste of breath. More useful may be the Facebook group 1,000,000 People Who Want to Plug the BP Oil Spill with Sarah Palin
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125721827457718
Posted by: Rutee, Shrieking Harpy of Dooooom
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June 26, 2010 1:46 AM
To be fair, Spam Away is like, ||
If PZ then said "This poll proves that the majority of Christians..." Y or X? Then yeah, there'd be a problem.
PZ's statements are technically supported by any incidence of Interventionist gods will save us, because he said "Yeah, these sorts of Christians are out there, and they're serious."
Posted by: wall of separation
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June 26, 2010 1:50 AM
And also remember the hypocrisy of those defending praying christians. They wouldn't show the same support or understanding for those who believe in other forms of the supernatural eg.anyone who claimed to fix the spill through any psychic powers, telepathy etc. would be ridiculed by these same defenders.
Posted by: McCthulhu is taking ∞ to eat all the pi
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June 26, 2010 1:52 AM
Are Christian wankers anything like bus wankers?
Posted by: MaxH
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June 26, 2010 2:10 AM
Oh, I don't know, wall of separation, people can claim whatever they want 'fixed the problem.'
You know, as long as they acknowledge that human power was (will be) involved.
If the leak just STOPS, without any further effort by BP, and the hole seals itself with a blast of rainbow light and glitter, then they can claim human weren't involved in fixing the leak - if they want to claim the Easter Bunny fixed it at this point, instead of Christ, please, let them knock themselves out. They're going to do it anyway. Best not to get stressed out over it.
Posted by: BookwormService
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June 26, 2010 2:19 AM
why don't they pray for an alternative energy
Posted by: sharl
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June 26, 2010 2:26 AM
I do wish folks would lay off The Big Guy in the Sky, regarding the BP Gulf underwater oil eruption. In His Twitter feed, he recently addressed the matter (link):
There you have it. Prayers on this matter have been answered, and the answer is 'I have other priorities.'
Posted by: Harbo
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June 26, 2010 2:39 AM
poll gone
Posted by: rni.boh
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June 26, 2010 2:49 AM
Damn, either I'm a total incompetent or they've taken that poll down.
Or both.
Posted by: toomanytribbles
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June 26, 2010 3:01 AM
yep -- it's gone.
chickens.
Posted by: Cerberus, unnatural product of en-OMnomnom-ification
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June 26, 2010 3:06 AM
666 @17
His point on internet polls is that the numbers they produce are useless because they are easy to swamp and distort. So if I had a poll somewhere saying "Do you want to elect Cerberus as your queen?" The numbers of "yes", "no", and "i like fish" are absolutely meaningless even as a source to defend an argument. If I got 80% "i like fish" on my poll it doesn't mean we need to elect a fish queen. It means the methodology of my poll is for shit.
His point on this poll is that how the question is phrased (i.e. a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with the numbers used at all) betrays a worldview in those who formed the question.
Cause, see the phrasing of a question is an entirely different topic than the validity of numerical values.
And...you stopped paying attention at "i like fish", didn't you?
Posted by: cousinavi
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June 26, 2010 3:32 AM
IF some genius comes up with a way to plug that gusher tomorrow, the god freaks and Jesus heads will attribute it to their prayers.
If their simpering pleas to an imaginary magical Jew DON'T work, they'll just continue to blame the fags.
I have an alternative proposition: Anyone who says they're praying for the Gulf leak to stop spewing oil...punch them in the kidney.
Equally effective and far more satisfying.
/kidding about the violent part
//half kidding...it might be MORE effective.
Posted by: Matrim
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June 26, 2010 3:33 AM
Did they spirit away the poll? There's still a story about it, but the poll up now is about McChrystal, and the poll history has no mention of it. Hmm...there was already a McChrystal poll two days ago too, I think they switched out the prayer one for a 2nd McChrystal one, perhaps they were tipped off about the impending Pharygulation.
Posted by: Weed Monkey
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June 26, 2010 3:51 AM
Mmmm... fish, I really like it.
Posted by: Rey Fox, Bird Caller Guy
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June 26, 2010 4:10 AM
And insipid. So endlessly endlessly insipid.
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/wmdkitty#83021
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June 26, 2010 4:30 AM
"he's just engaging in a social ritual to soothe his psyche, and we shouldn't disturb his emotional equilibrium."
This, right here, is the grown-up version of the classic mombie whinge: "he's just expressing himself, and we shouldn't crush his spirit!"
Posted by: acastcia
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June 26, 2010 5:32 AM
Do the thought never cross their minds, that it would be much more helpfull to, well, go where any hand is needed,to volunteer, support the people who are actually fighting this horrific desaster and while they are working, helping, supporting, pray for themselves if they wish. I mean, do they really believe that spending I don't know how many hours praying,is more effectiv than helping in any way possible?
How many desperate prayers are prayed every single day by desperate people, starving people, by tortured people, by people in search of a better life drowning in the seas, and never ever get an answer. Were those prayers not desperate enough?
Posted by: bernarda
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June 26, 2010 6:01 AM
I having mentioned praying in other discussions. I am all in favor of it and wish that the faith-heads would do a lot more of it.
Sure they are doing something stupid and wasting their time, but at least they're not out causing trouble, which is usually what they do when they stop praying.
A good look at prayer is in the episode of "Mr. Deity" where he talks about answering prayers.
Another good one is George Carlin on praying.
Posted by: Freodin
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June 26, 2010 6:35 AM
Could we rephrase this poll?
Something like...
"BP has tried many ways to stop the Gulf oil leak. Is it time to start giving virgin sacrifices a chance?"
Posted by: McCthulhu is taking ∞ to eat all the pi
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June 26, 2010 6:42 AM
Oh my god! You killed the poll! YOU BASTARDS!!!
The irony is that someone here was probably praying the thing would fry, and it did...now THAT'S spooky results.
Posted by: PZ Myers
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June 26, 2010 7:26 AM
They yanked the poll. The other amusing thing is that they even removed it from their archive of past polls.
Ah, wingnuts. How generous they are in demonstrating their lack of principle.
Posted by: McCthulhu is taking ∞ to eat all the pi
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June 26, 2010 7:41 AM
I can't believe it's NOT FICTION: Kevin Costner has come to save the day at the Big Ol' Oil Spill™
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2851
Posted by: Fred The Hun
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June 26, 2010 8:01 AM
To each, his or her own special brand of delusion...
Later this morning I will be on my local South Florida beach, observing the feel good, delusional kumbaya type, gathering of well meaning middle class americans holding hands on the beach in protest of BP and big oil. 60s style social protest a la MLK or some such just ain't gonna cut it.
Anyone who thinks standing on the beach in protest is just as delusional as those who are praying to a fairy godmother in the sky to solve our problems.
Not many of those people on the beach understands that the fundamental underlying problem is that our lifestyles are the root cause of this spill. We are at Peak Oil and the easy low lying fruit is gone. Oil prospectin, coal mining NG drilling etc.. are going to be more and more risky and expensive. Our entire global civilization is powered by Fossil fuel. BTW there is no alternative energy that can substitute for the energy content of millions of years of energy concetration available in fossil fuels.
The energy slaves that fossil fuels have provided for us and allowed us to live as we have are no longer available and even if they are, a few more years of oil shale or something, the consequences of extracting and burning them are no longer tenable. Or maybe the delusions of Anthropogenic climate change being a hoax are something the majority of us still subscribe to...
The ultimate delusion is that we can continue with the economic growth paradigm, we can't.
We are in global population overshoot and will need to either wean ourselves away from this paradigm or face war, famine, disease, and possibly extinction of the human species.
Disclaimer: I own a solar energy company but probably because of that, I understand better than most the limitations of transitioning to an alternative energy lifestyle. Still we need to do yesterday!
Here's one guy's partial solution: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/sanjuans/isj/business/89546537.html
Ride a Bike or Take a Hike...http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll225/Fmagyar/Tshirt.jpg
That's my graphic, and no I'm not selling the T shirt.
Posted by: Naked Bunny with a Whip
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June 26, 2010 8:15 AM
@McCthulhu: I love how much that article emphasizes Waterworld. I can understand why they did it ("See? He knows about the ocean!"), but the effect is to keep pounding on Costner's poor judgment.
Posted by: McCthulhu is taking ∞ to eat all the pi
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June 26, 2010 8:38 AM
Re: Kevin Costner comes to the rescue...
And how can this be? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!
Man, I could just imagine Costner in David Lynch's 'Dune.' It would have been at least 13% more epic.
Posted by: First Approximation, L'esprit de l'escalier
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June 26, 2010 8:46 AM
Sarah Palin:
*facepalm* Sometimes I wish Christians would read their own damn Bible:
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen." - Matthew 6:5-6
Posted by: Zoot Capri
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June 26, 2010 9:34 AM
"Humoring" delusional people just reinforces their belief in the delusion. Mental Health Professionals know it is important to help the patient to confront and realize the delusion is NOT REAL. Believing that kneeling and saying words to an imaginary being is a delusion, we should not humor these people, we need to tell them, it is a delusion, it is not real!
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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June 26, 2010 9:57 AM
#46
It is also a glimpse into their actual faith of xian in their sky daddy.
Deep down they know it is all balderdash, they just cannot stop themselves from pretending it is not, because the alternative scares them all shitless.
I have always contended that all xians know it is pretence.
But it offers to many vested interests...to much money...to much to lose in influence amongst similarly affected.
The society they all move and work in is absolutely soaked in gaudy trashy and gauche representations of religious xian idolatry and expectations to kowtow to the premise at every opportunity, more to proclaim there own egocentric holiness then to perform a vitally necessary act of contrition.
In xian world it is more important to impress your neighbour and claim moral superiority.
And it has been that way for so long.
Very few have the strength of character to actually question the nonsense.
Most of the xian religious bullshit they pull is just Pavlovian conditioning, someone mentions lets pray at the oil...they all pray, because they think that is what must be the correct way to react amongst their god obsessed peers!
Simply because every one they know does it that way.
And they do not want to be thought of as not a real xian.
For whatever value of 'real' actually is depending on the current flavour of the moment.
This poll was pulled to protect the myth and forestall embarrassment, the vote was probably changing far to quickly to be regarded as normal traffic, and changing to the wrong side of their equation.
One thing that xians do not like is to be the butt of the joke, or to be seen being absolutely ridiculous in the eyes of the rest of society, even if that society contains members of their own delusion.
Seems godliness, in fact the whole kit and kaboodle of jeebus and daddy sky fairy and the 'wholly babble' is a delicate and fragile construct.
It can shatter all so easily if inspected to closely.
And the logic fail in this present 'let us pray at the oil' scenario is riding so close to the edge a slight nudge it will collapse.
The question..."If god exists why is the gulf getting so badly contaminated in the first place?
Is he/she/it not defiling his/hers/its own creation?"
Is a question designed by its very nature to destabilise the belief.
Similar questions are ..."why do children get cancer or heart disease or congenital defects?"
And ..."Why did god create viruses like Ebola and Lhasa fever or HIV?"
The Pavlovian xian reaction is to claim judgement from that same god!
Or intervention from the devil, which still questions the sky fairies adequacy in deity wrangling.
A reaction that none of them actually believe or feel comfortable with because some folks of xian disposition die of cancer or heart disease or congenital defects.
And the niggle of childhood fatality through a bodily malfunction is the hardest to comprehend.
And not only to the xian deluded I might add.
You can only dismiss reality so far, or claim divine plan from Yahweh, comfort in any form at such a time in understandable, and frame of reference is the easiest course, but that is a damned hard struggle at best.
Polls that seem to indicate a question to the premise they were hoping to promote are to uncomfortable to allow to exist as visible confirmation that not all seem to hop to the same bunny beat, it might encourage others in the delusion to a second of contemplation and a resultant revelation that is anything other then biblical, and where does that leave the delusion?
Diminished and discredited.
Well believe in utter twaddle and that danger is never far away, just a matter of time and circumstance.
Hence the xian 'sensitivity' to such things or folks that do not support the delusional.
Hence their barking and mewling about atheism and secularity, a true threat they have no idea how to combat and they are losing the status quo slowly year by year!
That is no better defined then the fact they removed a poll that questioned their delusional antics, they are very frightened really.
Seems god dribbling sycophants are only infected skin deep!
They have no real faith you see!
Posted by: DiscoveredJoys
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June 26, 2010 10:46 AM
Yet strangely I suspect that if BP threw up their hands and said "It's no good, the leak is an Act of God and we can't stop it." the very same people who believe in intercessionary prayer would not excuse BP.
Posted by: Brian, Defender of Tone Trolls
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June 26, 2010 10:52 AM
I have always contended that all xians know it is pretence.
Some of them (ex us) really, really thought it was true; interspersed with intermittent crises of faith of course.
Perhaps they (ex we) do really know it's nonsense, but suppress the knowledge for most of the time. Then occasionally something forces the knowledge to the surface and the common or garden crisis of faith ensues. It does seem telling that so much of christian discussion centres around the issue of "having faith", "banishing doubt" and "letting go and letting God".
Occasionally an event, something not even especially personal, finally smashes through the defences and kick starts critical thinking. For me it was George Bush claiming to be a christian; after a long journey from fundamentalist to liberal christian, this fact was the straw that broke the camels back. I could rationalise evolution, cosmology, the problem evil (mostly by not thinking too hard about it), but George W. Bush was a bridge too far. I could not envisage a loving God that would accept the worship of a putrid, unthinking and wannabe hard man twit like Bush. I especially did not want to worship the same God that Bush did; Not even by accident.
Hmmph. Not sure why I've written all this. Seems a pity to just dump it. I clearly still have unresolved Bush issues, but I at least have the silver lining of having my faith shattered by the chimp visaged crusader. Thanks George.
Posted by: eddylinc
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June 26, 2010 11:02 AM
Completely off topic, but this is pretty neat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/25/oscar-cat-artifical-paws-pioneering-surgery
Posted by: Not Guilty
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June 26, 2010 11:04 AM
Except when BP does finally fix it, the idiots will think god did it in answer to their prayers. We can't keep having these idiots thinking that god is the solution...
Posted by: Snikkers
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June 26, 2010 11:17 AM
And yet this never ceases to dissuade the mere mortals from trying to get their omniscient got to change his mind...
Posted by: Snikkers
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June 26, 2010 11:19 AM
god not got
stupid fingers
Posted by: David23
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June 26, 2010 11:41 AM
If a state goes for prayer could that change the event to an "Act of God" and get BP of the hook for paying for the clean up?
Posted by: woozalia
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June 26, 2010 12:26 PM
Seems to me that prayer is a tool used by authoritarians to divert that pesky inquisitive "gee, we really should do something about this" energy into an activity that is "safe/harmless" -- to the authorities, that is.
In other words, it's a way of keeping the masses from actually doing something about abuses of power.
So no, it's not harmless.
Posted by: Denis Robert
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June 26, 2010 12:44 PM
It's important to note that this "poll" was taken on an extreme-right talk radio station (With Limbaugh and Hannity prominently displayed in the sidebar!). So the results are not surprising...
Posted by: Zorya
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June 26, 2010 12:59 PM
Did anyone notice the new poll? I like that they switched the order of the yes and no options.
President Obama this week called Gen. Stanley McChrystal to the White House for a tongue lashing. Do you think the president acted correctly?
No
Yes
Not sure yet
Posted by: Michael Hawkins
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June 26, 2010 1:33 PM
I noticed they have a new poll asking about Obama's handling of the McChrystal incident.
Notice the order of the answers? In the first poll about giving prayer a chance, the very first answer is "Yes". Now that they want the answer to be "No", that's the first choice.
Posted by: YetAnotherAtheist
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June 26, 2010 1:39 PM
http://ktrh.com/pages/pastpolls.html
Just looking at the results of their past polls, you can tell that their listeners are complete and utter morons.
Posted by: chigau (◦_◦)
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June 26, 2010 1:57 PM
Since it's Saturday and soon to be sunny and I must go to the library and I cannot keep up with four threads, I vote YES to Cerberus (#36) for queen and take my leave.
Posted by: Fred The Hun
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June 26, 2010 3:52 PM
DiscoveredJoys @54,
I wouldn't at all be surprised if BP's legal team isn't seriously examining that very angle.
The good Guv of Texas seems to have no such qualms...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/04/rick-perry-oil-spill-may_n_562491.html
Posted by: McCthulhu is taking ∞ to eat all the pi
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June 26, 2010 6:27 PM
Just for a lark we should pop in to the radio station's website for the next few weeks and mess with all their polls. If they want to be poll-wusses and sweep their busload of stupid under the carpet every time their moronics are challenged, the better life is for everyone.
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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June 26, 2010 6:32 PM
An xian cannot dissociate for ever...sooner or later the effluent leaks out!
They have a flaw which itches, they have to scratch for jeebus.
It comes to them all.
Posted by: Proton Soup
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June 26, 2010 11:23 PM
hmmm... so this is the place to wank about wanking?
Posted by: Kirk
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June 27, 2010 9:07 PM
I agree he should do that, but shouldn't he do more than that?
Shouldn't he say, "Sorry about the whole thing, folks. Originally it was just a made-up story, and then we came up with a bunch of dogma on top of it, got some lucky breaks from an organizational point of view, added some more dogma, and the whole mess took off like sliced bread. Unfortunately, it was a fake, a fraud. The trouble we've caused with this whole thing is beyond words. I'm shutting the place down. Again, my apologies."
Posted by: llewelly
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July 3, 2010 10:08 AM
spam.away.666 | June 26, 2010 12:44 AM:
Being an atheist is not a get-out-of-criticism free card.