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Category: Crime
Posted on: July 6, 2010 12:42 PM, by PZ Myers
Father Kevin Gray had better things to do with his time.
Apparently for the past seven years Gray has been spending church money to fund trips to New York and pay for sessions with male escorts, and he also racked up $200,000 in restaurant bills including a large tab at Tavern on the Green.
It is a step up for the church, from child molesters to hedonistic embezzlers. Progress!
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Posted by: Shala
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July 6, 2010 1:01 PM
I have to love that him doing something that would cause serious repercussions within any organization is a huge step up from what they usually do.
I hope I live to see the downfall of the Catholic church.
Posted by: scheid.robert
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July 6, 2010 1:01 PM
Your collection plate dollars at work!
Posted by: staceyjwsolar
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July 6, 2010 1:03 PM
I bet he is also a Republican, they seem to find themselves in these type of sex scandals all the time.......
Posted by: Kieranfoy, Faerie Godfather of Death, GMKSC, OED
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July 6, 2010 1:04 PM
So he's a gay Father Ted? Cool.
Posted by: Gorobei
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July 6, 2010 1:04 PM
I find it sad that he ran up a large tab at Tavern on the Green. NYC has a ton of great restaurants - TotG is not one of them.
Posted by: cairne.morane
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July 6, 2010 1:08 PM
@Gorobei
Even more true now it's closed.
Posted by: rturpin
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July 6, 2010 1:12 PM
Do you still call on your tentacled masses for polls such as this one?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/06/2010-07-06_holdin_court_at_73_justice_kennedy_tells_pals_hes_not_retiring_for_years__thats_.html
Posted by: llewelly
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July 6, 2010 1:14 PM
Brian Moylan, Gawker:
Tell me again, what portion of child raping priests have been charged? How many of turned themselves in? Where, again, is Cardinal Law?
Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline.
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July 6, 2010 1:20 PM
Good to hear that the Mother Church is doing it's best to keep the Economy going through these tough times.
Posted by: Aquaria
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July 6, 2010 1:23 PM
Do you think the Catholic church is ever going to learn that lesson about glass houses?
Posted by: Monty Burns
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July 6, 2010 1:28 PM
The next side occupation (after hedonistic embezzler) will be real estate salesman - to raise funds for the first two.
Posted by: godisared
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July 6, 2010 1:32 PM
Sounds like fun, why wasn't I invited?
Unlike our former parish priest it seems to have been consensual (he was one of the few who ended up in jail).
Posted by: Ray Moscow
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July 6, 2010 1:33 PM
So, the true evil of being secretly gay is exposed at last! Thank goodness the Church is finally weeding these secretly gay miscreants out.
It's a good thing that he wasn't secretly straight. There's no telling what he would have stole.
Posted by: Aquaria
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July 6, 2010 1:38 PM
Oh, and it's actually a slide backwards, after Miami priest and talk show host Alberto Cutié got caught canoodling with not only an adult, but a--gasp--female!
Posted by: daniel.lavine83
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July 6, 2010 1:41 PM
To be fair, any money this guy sent on consensual gay sex was church money that was not being spent on obstructing justice in child rape cases. So you can actually make a case that embezzling from the Catholic Church was the moral thing to do.
Posted by: Moggie
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July 6, 2010 1:46 PM
Any gay man who helps to prop up that anti-gay organisation is pretty morally suspect from the get-go, so embezzlement isn't particularly surprising.
Posted by: rob
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July 6, 2010 1:47 PM
oh leave the priest alone. he was just doing homework to prep for running for office on the family values platform.
Posted by: alysonmiers
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July 6, 2010 1:55 PM
I think it's a much better expenditure of Church money than how it would otherwise be used. All that money he embezzled can't now be spent on political campaigns, for example.
Posted by: Cerberus, unnatural product of en-OMnomnom-ification
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July 6, 2010 1:58 PM
For a good buffet of the depth of depravity, you really should be following this series.
This week in Holy Crimes at Joe.My.God
Posted by: Mike in Ontario, NY
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July 6, 2010 2:03 PM
PZ, don't you ever tire of beating up on catholic miscreants?
Me neither.
Posted by: frog, Inc.
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July 6, 2010 2:06 PM
daniel: To be fair, any money this guy sent on consensual gay sex was church money that was not being spent on obstructing justice in child rape cases.
Not only that, he was siphoning money used for anti-gay propaganda into the hands of gay escorts, waiters at NY restaurants, cleaning staff at hotels, ...
He was helping the economy, by putting money in the hands of productive individuals rather than in the hands of PR schlockmeisters, lawyers and other propagandists.
Kevin Gray is heroic for a priest. Probably did more good than famed "Mother" Theresa, if Hitchens take is at all right.
We should put up a fund for his defense -- the more he defends, the more the ugly side of the church is in the news.
Posted by: dillman.alan
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July 6, 2010 2:06 PM
@11 Monty Burns
Are you sure it shouldnt be used car salesman? After all, priests have plenty of experience selling lemons.
Posted by: Ewan R
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July 6, 2010 2:19 PM
So apparently metaphorically raping your whole congregation to the tune of $1.3M gets you charged, whereas actually raping their kids gets you relocated.
Posted by: timpanogos
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July 6, 2010 2:28 PM
Not to be the wet blanket or anything, but we don't know he wasn't also a pederast. That isn't mentioned in the story, but knowing this organization, should we assume his innocence on anything?
Ed Darrell
Posted by: symbiosis
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July 6, 2010 2:43 PM
apparently, embezzlement - unlike child rape - is a crime the church feels compelled to report to the authorities.
Posted by: stompsfrogs
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July 6, 2010 3:01 PM
Why, that's just a few towns over from me! I live in Milford, CT! Odd, that this wasn't on my news feed this morning... I guess local news really is in trouble.
Posted by: Tulse
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July 6, 2010 3:06 PM
I wonder how long it will take the Church to officially defrock him.
Posted by: arjuna79
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July 6, 2010 3:22 PM
In FL they just enacted a new law that
Impact: Lawsuits can now be brought in cases of sexual abuse involving a child, no matter when the abuse occurred. The bill was opposed by the Catholic Church, which has been rocked by pedophilia scandals in recent years. (from the PBPost.com)>>>
of course they opposed it.
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 6, 2010 3:23 PM
Now, now. We mustn't jump to conclusions. Maybe the young man was only there to carry his luggage...
Still, if all he was doing was defrauding his congregation and hiring male escorts, this in its self places him on an altogether higher moral plane than his fellow child raping/justice obstructing clerics.
I mean, by comparison the man is almost admirable...
Posted by: arjuna79
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July 6, 2010 3:24 PM
oops the law eliminates the statute of limitations for criminal or civil cases related to sexual abuse of children 16 or younger. Certain sex crimes against children 12 to 16 previously had a three-year statute of limitations.
Posted by: Walton, Marquis of Carabas
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July 6, 2010 3:25 PM
Um... yes. We should assume anyone's innocence of an allegation until his or her guilt is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Innocence, not guilt, is always the default presumption.
Whatever else he may have done, there is zero evidence that Kevin Gray committed any offences against children. The fact that someone is guilty of embezzlement is not a basis for assuming that person to be guilty of child rape: the two crimes are entirely different.
Posted by: D
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July 6, 2010 3:40 PM
We aren't a legal court Walton. By that standard, we shouldn't be assuming he embezzled money either. Not that I actually think we should assume he's a child rapist. I'm sure the majority of Catholic priests aren't so the odds are good in his favor. Also we don't need any more equation of homosexuality with pedophilia.
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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July 6, 2010 3:44 PM
#19
Cerberus...what an incredible litany of nonsense and depravity the RCC produce.
Even as an avid arch sceptic of their cause and the way they go about it I never realised that they were quite so enthusiastic in the gutter of life!
At one time I regarded all religions as basically a flawed and embarrassing smelly stain on the blanket of humanity, now I realise that some religions are tad much more flawed and embarrassingly smelly then others!
The RCC are not fit for human society by a long cassock robe!
The competition offers the C of E that is imploding slowly and rather grandly, a car crash involving a slightly eccentric cat-weazle lookalike driving an old banger in a slow motion prang as it were! and are not actually a threat to anyone except themselves,
Bless 'em!
Bit like a two year old playing with a wire coat hanger and an electric socket unsupervised.
Of the other world delusions Islam has issues with a mega inferiority complex and makes up for it by blowing innocent folks up for some reason not really defined.
Methinks summat esoterical like payback for the crusades or some such equally vapid injustice.
Or maybe they are just peeved at the chronic financial abuse they receive at the hands of multi-nationals and governments in their own land.
Using Palestine is a good cover, but the hatred goes much deeper then that excuse.
But whatever the modus operandi of their religious devotion is identical to the fundy xians and the shared penchant to misinterpret and twist their holy books to suit the mood.
The other spiritual religions tend to be rather inept at either membership or profile.
A certain street cred is apparently offered by Buddhism but there ya go!
That leaves the xian cults to many to mention...looney tune every single one of 'em!
But by far the masters of pompous bigoted pure bile and hatred are the RCC, now that is a religion beyond contempt, they should be hospitalised in maximum security for the duration methinks.
Prob is they seem to be dragging other xian denominations along in their wake.
Protestant and Baptist Fundamentalism is like a little bruv copying the actions of big bruv by the shape of it.
The communal insanity is rather pandemic in its virulence seemingly.
I never used to feel like that, just regarded the RCC as comprising the normal delusional fuckwits all the xian religions display.
But one Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor highlighted the actual intense and frightening and anti social insanity that is the RCC in full flow!
The misjudged and highly offensive, not to mention cringingly ignorant, remark that to paraphrase, suggested that 'to not believe whole heartedly in their version of a Jeebus Christos deity/pin-up was to certify the non-believer as "Sub-Human" '
This from a character that trumpets the Roman Catholic Church as, the way, the salvation, and the light in xian religion.
After that incredible piece of arrogant insulting and frankly totally hysterical claim mongering, it signalled to this atheist that the RCC was a religion in terminal and aggressive decline.
And they had the nerve and the crass insipid bare faced cheek to demand that they should receive due respect and fucking reverence not for their dim witted fairy story mind, but for their barely living totem of a NAZI serving old fart that is up to his mitre in paedophile cover up just beggars belief!
And yet they suggest almost insist that atheism is inspired by Nazi ideology...what can I say?
Projection....Much?
And as a wild animal in similar dire straights something definitely to be wary of and retain suitable distance from in its twitching death throes.
But to imagine that the few media stories that bob to the surface are in fact the tip of a vast rather ugly dirty and despicable iceberg of corrupt Jesuit shenanigans is a revelation onto us all methinks!
So Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor...
'My god tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked' ;-)
(Braveheart)
Posted by: Algernon, elle sans chapeau
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July 6, 2010 3:56 PM
I can't help but imagine that the church will be eager to punish this man and to scapegoat him for child molestation.
As for stealing to live a lavish lifestyle... isn't that what the Pope does? Or am I confused?
Posted by: Algernon, elle sans chapeau
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July 6, 2010 3:59 PM
By the way, because of the way this header appears when I first logged into Pharyngula today I thought this title said:
Hooray for the Catholic Church
Raping Children!
And I thought... oh man PZ that's some seriously dark humor there.
Posted by: Itkovian
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July 6, 2010 4:00 PM
Not that this scenario is at all unlikely, but I do wonder how reliable that news source is. It seems it comes from republican-american, which in turns does not cite any sources (and seems clearly to hold an anti-catholic bias).
But, of course, it's not like something like this never happened before. It is unfortunate he is spending his money on yet another untaxed industry. :)
Posted by: marie-annick
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July 6, 2010 4:03 PM
Ratzi blames it on the gays in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Kevpod
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July 6, 2010 4:12 PM
From "Jesus Thinks You're A Jerk" by Frank Zappa:
...Well, they took those jeezo-bucks and ran
To the bank! to the bank! to the bank! to the bank!
And every night we can hear them thank
Their buddy, up above
For sending down his love
(while you all smell the glove)
Posted by: Cerberus, unnatural product of en-OMnomnom-ification
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July 6, 2010 4:14 PM
Oh, before people start calling him a hero, he's a Riekers.
Joe.My.God again (seriously give that man a medal for his investigative blogging work) points out that Father Gray has presided over a number of anti-gay groups and actions, signed onto the anti-gay Manhattan Declaration, and of course was a part of the pressure mechanism against gay marriage in DC by claiming a countrywide Church Charity revolt.
So yup, vile anti-gay activist secretly getting his "luggage lifted". Tell you what, let's just start listing the anti-gay activists who aren't buying rentboys. The list would probably be shorter.
Posted by: James R. Palmer II
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July 6, 2010 4:14 PM
Next stop, lesbian bondage clubs.
Posted by: Shala
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July 6, 2010 4:32 PM
Next stop, lesbian bondage clubs.
I'm interested in this.
Posted by: Aquaria
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July 6, 2010 4:39 PM
Shala, #40 is a reference to this. Do with that what you will.
Posted by: erichoug
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July 6, 2010 4:48 PM
You really don't even need to add anything to this stuff to destroy religion. If you simply passed on a neutral report without anything added.
Remember the one a year or so ago that was busted on the beach with his mistress? Apparently there are some sins that the Church is unwilling to go down fighting for. Like consensual sex bewtween two un-married adults of a differing genders. THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!!!!!!!!
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 4:52 PM
Looks like Atheism's agenda is busted:
Apparently, the Catholic Church is on to us and is beginning to weed out we immoral, godless infiltrators...
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 4:54 PM
THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!!!!!!!!
Yeah, that's about right. We immoral, godless Atheists take credit for that, too- heh, heh.
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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July 6, 2010 4:54 PM
The hypocrisy of the 'holee fadders' is becoming a rather serious problem for the RCC.
It is to be wondered how their pontifical balance will be maintained after all the rancid debris floating to the top of the scummy waters they inhabit.
Every week more crud oozes to the surface, it is not a sustainable situation.
At one time they could cover up very nicely, they just transferred the cretin and threatened the victims with Catolik hell and excommunication for breaking the oath of Jesuit allegiance,now with media coverage at 24/7 they have no such ecclesiastical privilege.
The hysterical denunciations of one thing or another is fast becoming just a quirky little back ground irritating whine.
Folk are starting to see a pattern here, and the pattern is not pretty.
Their frequent condemnations are going to be ignored much more so then the past because they are shown for what they are and the mask has slipped to far to rearrange...they is a busted!
Drip, Drip, Drip, by Drip...the fluid of relevance is leaking away.
Their font will soon be dry as a bone in the desert and their crackers turned to dust while the wine turns to rancid vinegar.
These things are coming to pass...and so be it!
Then maybe the folks from the village will chase the 'crows' away with pitch forks in the not so distant future?
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 4:56 PM
Anubis,
Do you really want to kill the atheist infiltrators, Dude?!
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 4:59 PM
Dude, the self-righteousness slobbering ain't gonna work for us heathens any more. It looks even worse that we judge and condemn our own friggin infiltrators.
It looks, well, a tad hypocritical, don't you think?
Posted by: Matrim
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July 6, 2010 5:08 PM
*sigh* Unfortunately this may actually work in the Church's favor...they'll be able to point at this guy and say "See! It's IS the homosexuals that are corrupting the Church! I'm sure that if we got all the homosexuals out of our religion, there wouldn't be any child molestation or malfeasance of any sort!"
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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July 6, 2010 5:14 PM
#48
What! wait!...atheist infiltrators you say...shazzbat!
Strike any and all remarks made...I was delusional!
Nothin going on here move along there! move along!...;-)
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 5:20 PM
"marie-annick Ratzi blames it on the gays in 3...2...1..."
Um, the guy IS gay.
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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July 6, 2010 5:21 PM
Ah now wait again...tis okay let us resume condemnation...
Our atheist infiltrators are far better trained then to be busted for dogging and baggage lifting!
They have taste and decorum...they stand out a mile and then some!
It is a problem really...but you work with what you got!
Posted by: Peter H
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July 6, 2010 5:27 PM
"I find it sad that he ran up a large tab at Tavern on the Green. NYC has a ton of great restaurants - TotG is not one of them."
Perhaps TotG has a ton of male escorts.
Posted by: Aegis Linnear
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July 6, 2010 5:29 PM
Don't the Catholics frown on progress? Or would one more stupid paradoxical knot in their ridiculous attempt at moral authority make any difference any more?
Posted by: percyprune
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July 6, 2010 5:35 PM
On the one hand, he has deprived the church of its treasure, even if only a small amount.
On the other, he's a crook. So as an atheist with a moral compass I say 'yah boo sucks' to him and if found guilty he should be thrown in the hoosegow, or whatever it is you Yankee types call it.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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July 6, 2010 5:38 PM
Anubis Bloodsin the third #46
Maybe the RCC will try to do the same thing in the US they want to do in Ireland:
The nine-member team led by two cardinals will be instructed by the Vatican to restore a traditional sense of reverence among ordinary Catholics for their priests
Posted by: erpease
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July 6, 2010 5:48 PM
Father Cutie, the one photographed with his mistress on the beach in Florida, left the Catholic church, joined the Episcopalian church, and married his mistress.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/deaconsbench/2010/06/father-cutie-to-be-a-father.html
Posted by: frog, Inc.
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July 6, 2010 5:57 PM
You know what's sad? This guy is a bad guy, a bastard and deserves what he gets.
But he's by far not the worst of the bunch. Look at Father Christian von Wernich of Argentina, who was literally involved in torture, murder, kidnapping of children, using the confessional to help torturers... it goes on and on.
This monster was finally convicted this year. The church, despite the mountain of evidence has taken NO action against this SOB. This is a guy who collaborated in throwing fathers and mothers out of airplanes and giving their children to the relatives of the killers.
Even if this guy is a Riekers -- hell, even if he's a pederast who has molested hundreds of infants -- he'd still be by far a better human being than von Wernich.
That's how bad the RCC is. Pedophilia is the least of their crimes -- and it's the worst crime that is discussed in most media. The protection of pedophiles is saintly compared to some of the folks that the RCC is covering for even today.
Why do you think the church poo-poo's the child abuse scandal? They know what else they are doing to this very day -- and in perspective, molesting children, raping teenagers, degrading and destroying homosexuals is very mild stuff indeed.
It's like attacking the Nazis for their Lebensborn program. Yeah, it was a monstrosity -- but in perspective, it was the least of their crimes.
Posted by: nonsensemachine
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July 6, 2010 6:13 PM
There goes the argument that the church's molestation problem is homosexual intrusion.
Posted by: marie-annick
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July 6, 2010 6:16 PM
GayHedBri - well yes, but I'm sure us queers will be accused of making a concentrated effort to get him into the priesthood. Just look at what a champion of gay rights this guy was.
Posted by: Tbone65
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July 6, 2010 6:37 PM
The local TV news is reporting that several church members showed up at the courthouse in support of Reverend Gray. They are praising him for the good he has done.
Delusional...
Posted by: MosesZD
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July 6, 2010 7:20 PM
No, Walton, we're not a COURT OF LAW with rules on WHO MUST BEAR THE BURDEN OF PROOF. I'd explain it in greater detail, but since you're a libertarian you're probably lacking the mental flexibility and wherewithal to be capable of understanding the proposition of "innocent until proved guilty" only applies to CRIMINAL LAW CASES in SOME countries...
Which we ain't...
Posted by: Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies
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July 6, 2010 7:25 PM
So, I'm getting the distinct impression that the RCC cares more about money than they do children.
Can't say I'm terribly surprised.
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 7:40 PM
How do you know The Church wasn't already going to kick him out for being gay (possibly a pedarast? You never know, especially since that trend's increasing) --- and so the immoral infiltrator countered with "You pay me or I'll go public with the story!"?
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 7:44 PM
I'm just an intelligent, logical, rationally -thinking, godless, and handsome! heathen, who also happens to be gay.
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 7:57 PM
"There goes the argument that the church's molestation problem is homosexual intrusion"
(nonsensemachine)
Not really, nonsense. It's (the handsome-homo-heathenness) only a subset of the greater atheistic agenda.
I should know ;0)
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 8:22 PM
#60Posted by: marie-annick | July 6, 2010 6:16 PM
GayHedBri - well yes, but I'm sure us queers will be accused of making a concentrated effort to get him into the priesthood. Just look at what a champion of gay rights this guy was.
Um, but marie-annick - why deny the truth? That HAS been our agenda; ref: "The Gay Manifesto"
Posted by: whblondeau
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July 6, 2010 8:53 PM
frog, inc #58
Why do I spend the whole evening patiently explaining that Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition????
The Catholic Church has been steeped in evil since the time of Pope Gregory. None of this horrible shit is, in any meaningful sense, new.
Posted by: tonysidaway
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July 6, 2010 9:15 PM
No, PZ, wrong as usual. If this chap is gay then he is the one guilty of making all those other priests rape children. Blame the homosexuals. Cardinal Bertone does, Bill Donohue does. One is second in charge at the Vatican and the other is second only to God himself. Why can't you see it too? It's a homosexual crisis, and the church is the main victim.
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 6, 2010 11:45 PM
This chap IS gay.
Atheism has quietly desired, for years and years to get the Catholic Church to this point. Why do we not take our fair share of the credit?
Why do some (dare I say most) atheists deny the truth?
It's not this chap's fault that other gays/Atheists hid out, biding their time in rectories while "converting" little altar boys and getting their perverted jollies with kids, too.
Why all of a sudden should any atheist be embarrassed by this fact?
Sounds kinda hypocritical (and cowardly) to say on the one hand, "Gee, I want to see the Catholic Church sued out of existence" and on the other hand say, "Hey, it's not our fault! Blame it on someone else!!"
Posted by: smith.pelican
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July 7, 2010 1:30 AM
Anubis Bloodsin
I laughed all the way thru your posts. Cheers.
PZ has met his match. I thought I had something to say, but it seems it's all been said.
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 7, 2010 5:13 AM
"PZ has met his match. I thought I had something to say, but it seems it's all been said."
(smith.pelican)
Why thank-you, smith.pelican ;0)
Posted by: Walton, Marquis of Carabas
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July 7, 2010 7:00 AM
Believe it or not, having just finished a law degree, I understand perfectly that the rule of "innocent until proven guilty", and the requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, are principles of criminal process in common law jurisdictions.
However, in this context, they are also fundamental principles of justice and morality. Accusing someone of child rape is a very, very serious matter. It is grossly immoral to accuse someone of child rape on a public internet forum, even as a joke, unless you have solid evidence to substantiate that claim. Believe it or not, stuff posted on the internet can have repercussions in the real world.
(And if you're primarily concerned with the legal position, I would point out that a false accusation of child rape is also libelous in many jurisdictions.)
I would also point out that this thread, and my post, have absolutely nothing to do with libertarianism. (Nor am I an orthodox libertarian, in any case.) But your pointless and irrelevant attack is noted.
Posted by: TheVillageAtheist
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July 7, 2010 8:04 AM
What's the problem with the Church refusing to hand over paedophile priests to the secular authorities, prefering to deal with the matter within the Church?
Male priests having sex with boys is homosexuality, and Leviticus has perfectly clear instructions on how that should be handled. Let them deal with it in their own way, I say. Stone the lot of 'em!
Posted by: GayHedBri
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July 7, 2010 11:50 AM
So the Village IDIOT, oops, I mean the Village Atheist wants to stone all of the gay-atheist infiltrators?
I wonder how many more stupid atheists will post along this same circular, hypocritical theme.
Guys, you're making us look stupider by the minute!
Posted by: Endor
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July 7, 2010 11:55 AM
So, on this thread you're pretending to be an atheist?
Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM
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July 7, 2010 2:06 PM
Hmm...Catholic, gays, where the fuck is Pilty sockpuppeting?
Posted by: frog, Inc.
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July 7, 2010 3:29 PM
whblondeau: Why do I spend the whole evening patiently explaining that Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition????
The Catholic Church has been steeped in evil since the time of Pope Gregory. None of this horrible shit is, in any meaningful sense, new.
Part of the issue is that the apologists always claim that everything's changed -- that they're not responsible for what happened in the 15th century, that Vatican II changed everything.
But given the behavior in the Dirty War -- nothing has changed at all. You have the "Legion of Christ" in Mexico. God knows what happens inside Opus Dei.
We might as well be in the 15th century with these SOB's. Truly evil shit happened with the protection of popes such as Wojtyla, who was all love in public, but let children be kidnapped by his buddies while their parents were flung from airplanes. What human excrement that guy was. Ratzi may even be a step up.
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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July 7, 2010 4:42 PM
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Nah!...'Ratty' is an ace manipulator a schemer, a tactician, and more fuckin' batty then a bucket full of hedgehogs at full moon!
That combination always but always spells excessively bad karma for the rest of the world!
'Ratty' wants a return to 14th century worship, full Latin in mass and to sell 'indulgences' again.
That nonsense got them into bother last time around I believe!
Add to that poaching vicars from the C of E without consulting 'Catweazle' and you see a man of low intellect and even lower moral fibre.
An ex-Nazi past that he tried to keep quite before he was exalted to boss-ship and a fully paid up member of the Inquisition...yes still...a cover up Cardinal for paedophile morons and a thoroughly ugly fuckin' demeanour.
He was not known as god's Rottweiler for sweetness and light methinks!
All popes are megalomaniac, they spend years manipulating and plotting and threatening, that is how they become pope, always has been, the only good pope is a dead pope, what more do you need to know?
Posted by: TheVillageAtheist
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July 8, 2010 8:19 AM
No, you misunderstand me (or I didn't make myself clear). I have nothing against gay people. I DO have a problem with christians who propose harsh measures against gays unless they are part of the church. If they want to push a "stone the gays" agenda, then let's see them propose this punishment for priests who perform homosexual acts on children.