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Category: Humor
Posted on: July 27, 2010 1:54 PM, by PZ Myers

In a great victory for history, a very rare 19th century MP3 has been recovered which documents a moment in Charles Darwin's domestic life. It seems that there was a bit of unreported conflict between them…

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#1

Posted by: Shplane, some shit in french Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:09 PM

One of the top three greatest things I've ever seen in my life.

#2

Posted by: broboxley OT Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:12 PM

pretty good

#3

Posted by: Phodopus Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:13 PM

Haha, witty and cute, I love it - and fun for the whole family!

#4

Posted by: Glen Davidson Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:16 PM

Whoah, is it Eve the wicked woman all over again?

Well, it does seem to have vexed the poor woman, who likely is in part responsible for some of the openness to god in the Origin. But isn't it true that she did help to write it, physically and otherwise?

Accommodationists like her. In any case, she probably assisted in making the theory acceptable to clerics and others, whatever the down side.

You can see her thinking/saying, grow up you old fool, instead of reliving your days on the Beagle (Christ, what a name for a ship). Don't ever suppose she didn't like the plaudits that came Chuck's way, though, and probably was convinced in time that the theory wasn't that bad for religion after all (by itself, no. As the last major gap filled, yes).

Glen Davidson

#5

Posted by: johnlil#0a224 Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:18 PM

The sequel: Chucky Gets Lucky. Oh wait. I've seen that. Different topic, I think.

#6

Posted by: Krystalline Apostate Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:21 PM

Favorite line: "I thought we agreed no wars on religion until the children get out of school."

#7

Posted by: frog, Inc. Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:27 PM

Did middle-class Britishers of the 19th century ever actually see each other naked?

Did they ever actually see themselves naked? Didn't they shower once a year fully dressed?

I'm not buying it.

#8

Posted by: IslandBrewer Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:33 PM

"That's not funny!"

"It's a little funny."

"I nearly died when you said that!"

"That's why it's a little funny."

#9

Posted by: spaninquis Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:45 PM

How do we know he saw her naked after this? They had no more children after the Origin was published. Sounds like she followed through on her threats.

#10

Posted by: Fred The Hun Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:51 PM

johnlil#0a224 @5,

The sequel: Chucky Gets Lucky. Oh wait. I've seen that. Different topic, I think.

The problem is all inside your head, she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave your Emma

She said it's really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
So I repeat myself, at the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways to leave your lover, fifty ways to leave your Emma

Chorus:
Just slip out the back, Chuck...

#11

Posted by: Newfie Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 2:54 PM

mmmm ... Jigg's Dinner

#12

Posted by: rippingrich Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 3:03 PM

@9
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that she pranced around naked while he was on his deathbed.

A going away present or some such thing.

#13

Posted by: Newfie Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 3:07 PM

Chuck should have pulled some quotes out of the book of misogyny.

#14

Posted by: jeffery.g.davis Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 3:18 PM

Spectacular Video! Although, the rapid cuts did start to make me dizzy.

#15

Posted by: Crewvy Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 3:31 PM

I`ll bet he did`nt expect the spanish inquisition that dinner time.

#16

Posted by: spaninquis Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 3:45 PM

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that she pranced around naked while he was on his deathbed.

A going away present or some such thing.

At her age, that probably sent him over the edge.

#17

Posted by: jcmartz.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 4:53 PM

Where's the Brtitish accent?

#18

Posted by: Weegiewarbler Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 4:57 PM

#15..... NOBODY Expects the Spanish Inquisition.....

#19

Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline. Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 5:04 PM

I'm smiling widely. (My mouth actually hurts a little now.)

Despite the anachronism and sexism.

#20

Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline. Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 5:10 PM

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that she pranced around naked while he was on his deathbed.

A going away present or some such thing.


No. That was Lady Hope.
#21

Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/2Cpr09BisvAGE8xTLScKqHa9oE8qMtok#e64de Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 5:49 PM

"This isn't war on religion. It's just a book!"

"Called?"

"Why God Sucks, and We Don't Need Him."

ROFL.


-Kemanorel

#22

Posted by: fernaldo Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 7:13 PM

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that she pranced around naked while he was on his deathbed.

A going away present or some such thing.

I'd be quite happy having Jennifer Connolly prancing around naked for me. :)

#23

Posted by: blindfaithiness Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 9:35 PM

Damn!!

I wanted to say, "NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!" this time.

Grrrr.....

#24

Posted by: Crudely Wrott , Drinking Solo Since Death's Back On The Wagon Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 10:23 PM

MMmmm, Hhmmm! That was tasty. The sort of thing I sometimes think about in some off hand way. What if . . .

If you really want to have some fun, look at the follow-up video suggestions and enjoy Richard Dawkins on Aliens, God and the Complexity of Life, parts I & II. Vintage stuff that also show the slack, ahh, the run out, that is the uncertainty of human knowledge when it comes to answering questions about which we observe nothing.

Someone asked me a question one day and after reflection I realized I had no idea of the answer. I informed my questioner of such and was disappointed at their falling countenance. Rallying and striking a blow for reason I then declared, "But I know where to look for the clues!"

The discussion endured the day and most of the night. I am nearly equally amazed by people who resist reason and those who so quickly understand it once it is explained. More than once I have heard someone profess that a thought that never would have occurred to them suddenly did merely for the addition of a bit of explanation.

Pretty cool how that works.

#25

Posted by: Pastor Farm Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 10:43 PM

I loved it, but what was with the little bit of madness in the end stating that he "lived with a deeply personal yet non-denominational relationship with God and nature?"

Not enough for me to hate, but I'd say a bit irksome.

#26

Posted by: spaninquis Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 11:05 PM

#24

That's OK, Blindfaithiness. I never get tired of hearing it.

#27

Posted by: John Morales Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 11:15 PM

OK, that was cute.

--

For anyone as yet unaware of this:

Evolution basically means 'unfolding'; a most wonderfully apposite term when (metaphorically) looking at a time-lapse series of the complexity of the ecosystem.
Which is what Darwin achieved. Glorious!

From Latin ēvolūtiō (“the act of unrolling, unfolding or opening (of a book)”), from ēvolūtus, perfect passive participle of ēvolvō (“unroll, unfold”), from ē (“out of”), short form of ex, + volvō (“roll”).

(It, too, has the presumption that original life had all the potential of current life within it.
But that's another issue.)

#28

Posted by: erpease Author Profile Page | July 27, 2010 11:55 PM

I confess it does malign poor Emma a bit. Her not saying the Nicene Creed in the church was far more likely to make her stand out than having a scientist husband who didn't attend.

BTW does cabbage and boiled beef appear in her cookbook? Parts of which got published a couple of years ago in "Mrs. Charles Darwin's Recipe Book". I haven't seen the book, but, according to some of the reviews, Charles wrote in her notebook how to cook rice.

#29

Posted by: Marella Author Profile Page | July 28, 2010 3:38 AM

Darwin did not believe in god. He did not suddenly find god on his death-bed though the religious tell lies saying that he did. He was an atheist but not a loud one, he didn't want to upset his wife.

#30

Posted by: Hieronymus The Troll Braintree Author Profile Page | July 28, 2010 8:22 AM

WTF?

Mr. Diety does an episode where Eve had unreasonable expectations about her first day that confuses Mr. D. and Larry and the misogyny police are up in arms over sexist stereotyping and old Prof. Myers is in a sweat making up excuses for why it's really not what we think. Yet here Mrs. Darwin is portrayed as a classic small-minded harridan who threatens to withhold sex unless Darwin intellectually represses himself and that's OK?

And then there's this:

"That's not funny!" "It's a little funny." "I nearly died when you said that!" "That's why it's a little funny."

So showing Eve as having naive, self-centered expectations is beyond-the-pale misogynistic stereotyping but having Darwin wishing for his wife's death to her face is funny?

That's some twisted shit.

#31

Posted by: John Scanlon FCD Author Profile Page | July 28, 2010 8:36 AM

Oh lighten up, Hieronymus.

It was a little funny.

Emma's religious problem with Mr D's theory is a matter of historical record. Turning it into a comedy skit (rather than an earnest applicant for Academy Awards) is interesting and surprising, and fun. Your problem with it is your own.

#32

Posted by: Hieronymus The Troll Braintree Author Profile Page | July 28, 2010 10:17 AM

You miss my point, John Scanlon, FCD.

When Mr. Diety made Eve out to be a demanding minx, the feminists threw a conniption and Prof. Myers felt he had to make up excuses to explain Mr. Diety's supposedly real intent.

Here's the youtube clip of the episode in question (I'm too lazy to look up the Pharyngula post):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Xox174PXA

Eve is portrayed as unrealistically naive in her expectations thus making her angry when they aren't met, which throws Mr. Diety and Larry on the defensive for having unintentionally offended her. Stuff like that happens. I've known a few women like that.

So, Professor Myers finds the Eve episode offensive because of sexist stereotyping but finds the Darwins at home clip funny even though the sexist stereotype of the overbearing, controlling woman is the far more common, to say nothing of tired, conceit in which on top of that, Darwin openly wishes for his wife's death?

Wow. How's that for intellectual consistency?

From where I sit, the Mr. Diety episode was a lot funnier because Eve's take made sense but was unexpected and therefore fresh. The Darwins at home business comes off as an excruciatingly predictable regurgitation of "The Honeymooners."

It's obvious that misogyny and implied violence against Mrs. Darwin is OK because that fits in with the pro-Darwinist prejudices of this site. Make a joke about Eve's wounded boorishness and suddenly we have a feminist crisis on our hands.

And, BTW, I just love your sense of humor too. You are obviously one hellacious card.

#33

Posted by: John Morales Author Profile Page | July 28, 2010 7:12 PM

Hieronymus, if you don't get badinage, you don't get it.

To repeat: "Your problem with it is your own."

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