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The biggest consumer of porn in the US is Utah, and hotels report increased viewing of porn during religious conventions. Could there be a relationship between religiosity and private viewing of porn? Here's another datum: use google to look at searches for pornographic terms world-wide.
Google ranks Pakistan No.1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in searches per person for certain sex-related content, FOXNews.com said.
Pakistan has ranked No.1 in searches per-person for "horse sex" since 2004, "donkey sex" since 2007, "rape pictures" between 2004 and 2009, "rape sex" since 2004, "child sex" between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, "animal sex" since 2004 and "dog sex" since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.
The country has also been No.1 in searches for "sex", "camel sex", "rape video" and "child sex video".
Yuck, FoxNews is saying this? Confirm it for yourself, try looking at the data on Google Trends. Pakistanis do love their Google. Next in the running: India, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Morocco, South Africa, Turkey, and trailing the pack, the United States and Australia. Just to see if it was some weird artifact of Pakistanis googling everything, I checked a few random terms, big screen TV and football and oil. Nope, Pakistan was nothing special in any of those searches — they just really want to see more camel sex.
Before you get too smug, though, the US is #1 in searches for squid sex.
That one might be my fault.
Comments
Posted by: Forbidden Snowflake
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July 14, 2010 7:37 AM
"Are you being deliberately stereotypical?"Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline.
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July 14, 2010 7:39 AM
Speaking of rape pictures, I was just reminded why I hate most of the porn out there. Hella way to kill a buzz.
What's with the apparent peak in May 2004?
Posted by: Forbidden Snowflake
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July 14, 2010 7:39 AM
Damn it!
Posted by: Matt "Nora" Penfold
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July 14, 2010 7:43 AM
Pakistan is also tops for goat sex. The US is number one for GOATS ON FIRE and no one it seems has ever bothered to google for GOATS ON FIRE sex.
Posted by: Jason Dick
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July 14, 2010 7:46 AM
I have a feeling that immediately after this post, the number of searches for "squid sex" will dramatically increase.
Posted by: delphi-ote
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July 14, 2010 7:46 AM
Wait a minute. All these places are searching for kinky material in English? What the hell?
Posted by: Brian English
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July 14, 2010 7:47 AM
I genuinely loled. But this is the way of things, those who protest the most, protest too much. Freud was generally full of it, but one of his insights was how we project what's on our mind onto others. Like repressed members of Pakistani society having fornication of any stripe on their minds....
Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline.
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July 14, 2010 7:47 AM
Jo Brand used to have a stand up routine where she described the internet and fetishes:
"No matter how perverted you think you are, there are others out there like you. Try it yourselves: Search for 'I want to have sex with goats on fire'. You'll get the reply 'Specify sex of goat.'"
She also had a joke about a cassava juice extractor. I wonder how long it'll be before Smith gets to that far into the show.
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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July 14, 2010 7:48 AM
Hang on; Shouldn't this be normalised against population and the local availability of beasts of burden?
Posted by: Phodopus
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July 14, 2010 7:49 AM
Just when you thought you had seen it all - there come the Pakistanis with Camel sex. FTW?!!?
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 7:51 AM
Ok Horse sex I can understand, but camel sex? That's gross.
Posted by: Kel, The Privileged View From Nowhere
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July 14, 2010 7:52 AM
I've heard similar before, but I still get a laugh out of it.Posted by: Brian English
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July 14, 2010 7:53 AM
To those who say Camel sex is wrong, I ask, have you ever seen a camel in real life? They have long, graceful eyelashes......
Posted by: dexitroboper
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July 14, 2010 7:53 AM
At least it wasn't those perverted dromedary rooters.
Posted by: Phodopus
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July 14, 2010 7:54 AM
... yeah as long as it's got two bumps
Posted by: Moggie
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July 14, 2010 7:55 AM
If you want a hump, try a camel.
Posted by: KG
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July 14, 2010 7:55 AM
How do we know it's not just that an unusually large proportion of Pakistani goats and camels have internet access?
Posted by: Brian English
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July 14, 2010 7:55 AM
At least it wasn't those perverted dromedary rooters. One hump or two? Bactrian is best.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler
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July 14, 2010 7:59 AM
I'm a little suspicious of the data there. If you look at the "change over time" maps for "horse sex", several European countries and the US rank high for several years, but Algeria and Libya never do, including for the most recent time period (May-Aug 2010); yet Algeria and Libya are listed in the top 10 currently. Something doesn't add up.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler
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July 14, 2010 8:01 AM
BTW, I'd just like to point out that Google is projecting a decline in searches for "camel sex". Truly tragic.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler
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July 14, 2010 8:04 AM
Another interesting thing: looking just at the US, the top 10 states in searches for "horse sex" are completely different for those on "camel sex". 9/10 of the former are red states, while the latter are about 50/50 (Minnesota at #6!).
Posted by: Phodopus
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July 14, 2010 8:07 AM
Can anyone explain this trend to me?. What's with fall 2007?
Posted by: Shplane, some shit in french
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July 14, 2010 8:15 AM
Whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa. Whoa. We're beating Japan in searches for squid sex?
I mean... Is everything I thought I knew a lie?
Posted by: Jack Bentley
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July 14, 2010 8:20 AM
Hey, guess which country is #1 for Kangaroo sex?
Posted by: Shplane, some shit in french
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July 14, 2010 8:22 AM
#24
...Argentina?
Posted by: marcushill
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July 14, 2010 8:22 AM
If it weren't for the popularity of some of the merely kinky searches, I'd be questioning the reliability of the "child sex" search figures. I wouldn't have thought many people who want kiddie porn images would stay out of prison very long if they can't use one of the many ways of spoofing their location before searching on Google for images that are illegal pretty much everywhere.
Posted by: okahnus
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July 14, 2010 8:26 AM
Yeesh, this doesn't add up. Look at camel sex on Google trends—Pakistan is number one there, but Hebrew is the number one language? We're obviously missing something.
Posted by: MosesZD
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July 14, 2010 8:26 AM
I remember reading an interview with a porn-king. He said the best customers were, in fact, your white, middle-class religious folks. So that's where he targeted his advertising dollars.
I've always had that interview in the back of my head when arguing so-called "Christian Morality" but would never use it becaues it was anecdotal. Now I have an actual study to link...
Posted by: Ñbrevu
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July 14, 2010 8:35 AM
#5
It's a new world of Pharyngulation! Pharyngulating google and google trends!
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 8:36 AM
A thought occurs. Does Camel Sex necessarily mean camel porn? Camel sex and goat sex could be from agrarians looking up facts or advice online.
We'll have to cross check this versus when Camel estrous usually occurs and see if the hits increase when farmers would be interested in facts about the sex hey want their livestock to have.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 8:36 AM
Pakistan is #1 for monkey sex.
And right next door in Afganistan, they're training them to kill US Soldiers.
Coincidence? I think not.
Posted by: Whore of All the Earth
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July 14, 2010 8:37 AM
At Brian English #7, it's called reaction formation, vehemently condemning what you actually want but feel ashamed of wanting. We also see it in the gay sex scandals among conservative politicians.
By the way, Utah also leads the nation in antidepressant use. As one person in the article says, "We're good at ignoring things."
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 8:40 AM
@29
What's the google trends for googling "Google" this can be the best way to judge average intelligence of a nation.
Posted by: blu
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July 14, 2010 8:41 AM
@sili May 2004 was the month that one of the top news stories was the publication of *pictures* alleged to show the *rape* of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
Posted by: novocaine
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July 14, 2010 8:41 AM
PWNED!
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 8:42 AM
"By the way, Utah also leads the nation in antidepressant use. As one person in the article says, "We're good at ignoring things.""
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Mormons are insanely anti-drug...how is this at all reconciled?
Posted by: museumknitter
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July 14, 2010 8:43 AM
"Could there be an inverse relationship between religiosity and private viewing of porn?"
Wouldn't that be a direct relationship?
Posted by: cousinavi
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July 14, 2010 8:44 AM
Yeah, Ing. Sure. Look...your wife might swallow that line - the old, "Gotta work in the barn late again tonight. The llamas are in heat."
But no one around here is buying it.
Posted by: dpattersonmonroe
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July 14, 2010 8:45 AM
KG at #17, thanks, best laugh I've had in days!
To be fair, the camel farmer trying to modernize his breeding system angle can't be ignored. But that doesn't explain a lot of the other searches like 'rape video.'
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 14, 2010 8:50 AM
I wonder how long it will be before an edict is issued in Pakistan requiring all camels to wear burkas, lest their long eyelashes and exposed humps drive the lustful among the local populace into a frenzy?
Posted by: PZ Myers
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July 14, 2010 8:54 AM
Also, the google page is pretty thorough. "donkey sex" is a category that includes "sex with donkey" (#1)and "girl sex donkey". And it doesn't seem to include animal husbandry -- "donkey breeding" puts the US at #1, Pakistan not even on the list.
Posted by: Silič O'Nopolitanopoulos, Färschdbischuf Beesknees aus Ulm und Klein Elguth, Elector Pharynguline.
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July 14, 2010 8:55 AM
Well, I'd be depressed if I was surrounded by Mormontologists.Thanks, blu. I think.
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 9:02 AM
"Yeah, Ing. Sure. Look...your wife might swallow that line - the old, "Gotta work in the barn late again tonight. The llamas are in heat."
But no one around here is buying it."
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Go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 9:03 AM
Um PZ are you aware Science Blogs is advertising a creationist book called "2012 Evolution Falls" on your side bar?
Can we go back to Pepsi?
Posted by: museumknitter
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July 14, 2010 9:04 AM
Ing @43: Can I get video of that?
Posted by: omnipasje
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July 14, 2010 9:05 AM
As the searches are in english, it could be that pakistan is hosting a big proxi server that's been used world wide by people in an attempt to surf anonimously to sites like that.
It would list it as pakistan if the proxy server is hosted there.
Posted by: moonkitty
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July 14, 2010 9:06 AM
@Gregory Greenwood
--thereby provoking Allah to smite them with a humpquake!!?
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 9:06 AM
"Also, the google page is pretty thorough. "donkey sex" is a category that includes "sex with donkey" (#1)and "girl sex donkey". And it doesn't seem to include animal husbandry -- "donkey breeding" puts the US at #1, Pakistan not even on the list."
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Ok, I'm sold. See cousinav, instead of fucking marmosets (ahem, like you), I was vetting the story...like you're supposed to.
Posted by: Planeten Paultje
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July 14, 2010 9:16 AM
It's true, the more I repressed it, the more I craved it. I've been putting it off for a long time, maybe a decade even. But now I've cracked and I'm going for it, all out! It looks like something any conservative cleric will want banned, so it's great for that alone: http://bit.ly/bIKnZT All for science!
Posted by: Snikkers
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July 14, 2010 9:17 AM
See? They're right -- men really can't control their lustful natures. Burkas are necessary to protect the womenfolk.
Posted by: Perspexo
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July 14, 2010 9:18 AM
Squid sex? How vanilla! I personally am leading the charge for Ireland to become the world capital of dead opossum frottage porn.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 9:19 AM
I just thought of how I'm going to get rich.
Camel Burkas
Posted by: Architeuthis
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July 14, 2010 9:20 AM
Actually PZ, the lead states in the US for "squid sex" are: Florida, California, New York & Texas...
You can't fool us :)
Posted by: thestarchamber.wordpress.com
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July 14, 2010 9:20 AM
Football would likely not be a significant search term in Pakistan - 'cricket' may be more of a test, and that does indeed seem to be a very popular search in Pakistan.
Posted by: Cory Meyer
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July 14, 2010 9:22 AM
Singapore, Australia, and Malaysia are #1 for "octopus sex". And there was a huge spike in 2005... maybe there was an octosome orgy.
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 9:28 AM
@51
I scoff...how are you even sure they're dead!?
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 14, 2010 9:29 AM
moonkitty @ 47;
So that explains all the earthquakes in the Middle East? Damned Bactrian hussies...
;-)
Posted by: Perspexo
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July 14, 2010 9:34 AM
@56 Finding out is half the fun! :)
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 9:38 AM
OK I'm gonna go throw up now
Posted by: sasqwatch
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July 14, 2010 9:42 AM
I'd walk a mile for a camel.
I'm transferring old news clips off VHS for a colleague (former STD researcher and control officer). One mid-80's clip was from a public interest show on a little-known cable affiliate known as "FOX". The show was on HIV, back when our county of approx 500,000 had 21 HIV cases (with 14 already dead).
An extremely "concerned" citizen from a conservative religious group... OK, it was "Focus on the Family" -- you got it out of me... was going on and on about how adult bookstores were cesspools of disease transmission with buckets and mops in every corner for cleaning up jism... a veritable cornucopia of sticky floors where otherwise normal hetero adults could succumb to their basest desires, earning them a place in hell (after a good old-fashioned stoning a la Leviticus)... blah... blah... blah. The guy kept apologizing for being gross, then would launch off on another detailed tirade on how disgusting those places were.
As you can guess, this married man was caught 5 years later giving anonymous blowjobs in area adult bookstores. Some things never change.
Posted by: cuco3
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July 14, 2010 9:47 AM
#52 Rev. BigDumbChimp said:
I've got a better idea: burkas with your choice of pictures of camels, goats or squid.
Posted by: Lori
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July 14, 2010 9:58 AM
That was plainly interesting until the unexpected squid sex comment. Funny! Yes, I do believe that is all your fault.
Posted by: theGobi
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July 14, 2010 9:59 AM
nobody has mentioned pig sex? who are you people and what have you done with the real pharyngula...
Posted by: BobTheBuilder
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July 14, 2010 10:03 AM
Before everyone goes around stereotyping every Pakistani as a goat or camel sex lover, do notice how many times these terms have been searched since 2004.
Donkey sex: 68 times
Camel sex: 21 times
Rape pictures: 100 times
That's a very small number of searches for a population of millions of people since 2004, it only shows that at most 100 people in pakistan out of millions are into this stuff.
Posted by: nogods
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July 14, 2010 10:03 AM
Well, we bet them all on looking for this:
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=bible%20contradictions%2Cbible%20errors%2Cbible%20not%20true%2Cbible%20false&cmpt=q
Posted by: Jules, Bride of Death
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July 14, 2010 10:08 AM
This reminds me of that Dan Savage story where he interviewed the guy in Kentucky who'd married his horse. He'd remodeled his house so his horse-wife could live in it with him and everything.
At the end of the interview, Savage asks him what the sex of his horse is.
Appalled, the man paused before blurting out angrily, "I'm not GAY!"
Posted by: McCthulhu is taking ∞ to eat all the pi
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July 14, 2010 10:12 AM
@ #33: I think it was Steven Wright who had the joke about putting 'Google' into the Google search window and it showed him the entire internet all at once.
AND
To the thread in general, I am going to confess to skewing the Utah results somewhat. If you have ever traveled the I-15 and have to overnight in Nephi or Beaver (trust me, there ain't any there) and looking for something exciting to do in this twenty-first-century-forsaken place you end up in your motel room surfing pr0n. It's even worse if it's the weekend or after 4:30PM on a weekday when the entire state reverts even farther back to 1847 CE.
I'm guessing that a lot of people whose travel destinations take them through the state end up bored and adding to the Utah web search data. I would be curious to see how truck stops with net access bump results as well.
Posted by: fbudinichd
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July 14, 2010 10:15 AM
Yeesh, this doesn't add up. Look at camel sex on Google trends—Pakistan is number one there, but Hebrew is the number one language? We're obviously missing something.
There isn't as much content on their native tongue. I'm from southamerica, but i spend most of my time on the internet searching information in English.
And I could bet that there ain't many porn producers on Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc...
Also don't forget that if you live on a place were it is imposinble to get porn around the corner, your only option is the internet (in regards to Utah).
Now, if you think about the kind>/i> of porn... yeah, that's just weird.
Posted by: SQB (fuck death)
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July 14, 2010 10:20 AM
"But officer, I was just trying to find a video that might aid me with my child's sex education."
Posted by: Pierce R. Butler
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July 14, 2010 10:21 AM
Just for sheer raw kinkiness, I replaced the search terms at the Google Trends link with "pz myers", "chris mooney", and "ken ham".
Poor Chris...
But at least he has a future: G.Trends extrapolates for the latter two, but the line for our esteemed host (whose cracker caper doesn't even make the highlights) stops right now in mid-2010.
Tell the cops to check out the South Asian Man-Camel Love Association first.
Posted by: fbudinichd
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July 14, 2010 10:25 AM
bah, all the tags on my previous post are broken :-p
Posted by: slugsie
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July 14, 2010 10:31 AM
Lets be fair, their desire for 'rape pictures' has dramatically fallen in the last 6 years from a stunning peak in May 2004.
Posted by: Kome
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July 14, 2010 10:32 AM
Why was FOX doing a Google trend search for "donkey sex"?
Posted by: Lynna, OM
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July 14, 2010 10:35 AM
Remind me not to take my camel to Pakistan. I prefer my camels monogamous.
Utahans can always check into a Marriott Hotel to get a porn fix. That way part of their payment for porn goes to the LDS Church in the form of tithes.The mormon Marriott family is so big in the LDS Culture that they also sponsor the Marriott School of Management at BYU, which is, I assume, where you learn that there is a big profit margin in providing porn. http://marriottschool.byu.edu/
"Clearly I would be interested in hiring other members of the church" (head of Marriott School of Management in a recent interview).
There are also shops in Utah that sell porn in various media.
Posted by: iDodd
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July 14, 2010 10:41 AM
I find it curious that the headline and lead paragraph try to emphasize the higher rate of consumption of porn by theo-wacks, but the body of the story goes on to point out that the differences are really quite minute. As one commentator noted, the 11% increase in states with same-sex marriage bans represents the difference between .18 and .2. Hardly worth getting holier than thou over. Me thinks we should all just sit back, breathe deep, and take a course in statistics before getting all uppity.
Posted by: fauxrs
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July 14, 2010 11:00 AM
Those numbers are not the actual 3 of searches - straight from the google site - The numbers on the graph reflect how many searches have been done for a particular term, relative to the total number of searches done on Google over time. They don't represent absolute search volume numbers
Also if you replace the donkey sex entry with republican sex,over the same period of time but leave the other two enties you find that US searches for republican sex which includes republican sex scandals and the like is 4 times less than it does camel sex and 5.6 times less than rape pictures.
So I too am suspect of these results, as twisted as my opinion can be of my fellow americans I am somewhat dubious that we are in general 4x more interested in camel sex than republican sex scandals.
in fact you will find the US is three times more interested in camel sex than pakistan based on its result of a weighted normalised number of 65 vs. pakistans 21.
Posted by: kameronr
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July 14, 2010 11:02 AM
Thank you PZ. I actually physically laughed out loud (as opposed to just a LOL).
Posted by: fauxrs
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July 14, 2010 11:04 AM
according to google your camels are far more threatened in the US. four times more threatened.uh huh
Posted by: arkestrate
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July 14, 2010 11:12 AM
*Sigh*
Pakistan's never in on this site - or in the news - for anything positive, is it? That the source is Fox bloody News automatically means I'm going to take this with a pinch of salt.
As Bob and Fauxr have said, the numbers don't represent the absolute search volume numbers.
If you want to talk about sex, why not talk about the Pakistani company that makes bondage gear for the west, or about civil rights for Hijras? I know it's minor compared to some of the horrid things that happen here in Pakistan, but sometimes I get a bit tired with the "oh, look at the hypocritical/deviant Pakistanis!" thing once in a while. End of microrant.
Posted by: KaneHau
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July 14, 2010 11:14 AM
"Camel sex"
One hump... or two?
Posted by: nekura-ca
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July 14, 2010 11:17 AM
@okahnus #27:the stats are per capita, so even though Pakistan has the highest percentage, it's only 170m people, split between many languages.
@BobTheBuilder #64: Note that these are "indexed" stats, not absolute search numbers, and are per capita as well, so higher values means that a larger percentage of the population of that area are searching for that term.
Posted by: spaninquis
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July 14, 2010 11:35 AM
@50
And it works. With all those burkas, most men don't even know there ARE any women in the country, but with all those naked goats, camels and donkeys running around....
Posted by: daveau
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July 14, 2010 11:58 AM
Yes, because we are very concerned with how sophisticated our donkeys are. I, for one, would not care for a donkey who didn't know a cabernet from a merlot.
Posted by: burpy
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July 14, 2010 12:02 PM
Who goes around the corner to get porn any more? Unless there´s a blackout.
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 12:05 PM
@83
You laugh but proper breeding is VERY important for livestock and agricultural industry.
Posted by: Cactus Wren
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July 14, 2010 12:06 PM
Camels?
Posted by: Ing: PhD Trollologist
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July 14, 2010 12:07 PM
Why at the racetrack I work at we just put our best Jocky out to stud!
Posted by: daveau
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July 14, 2010 12:11 PM
@85-
While breeding is important, I believe that you can somewhat overcome a lack of proper breeding through education and programs like HeadStart. And charm school.
Posted by: Peter Ashby
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July 14, 2010 12:19 PM
At work a while back, needing some info more up to date than the lab's elderly copy of Gray's Anatomy I Googled 'Human Anatomy' and selected some likely looking sites, more than one of which were the sort of porn portal that delights in spewing multiple browser windows across your screen faster than you can close them.
I did eventually find the Anatomical info I was after, but it was fortunate I was alone in the office at the time.
Posted by: carcosa
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July 14, 2010 12:26 PM
Important things to consider before starting a career in the sex industry. Most of your clients are going to be hypocritical religious men who will hate and condemn you for performing these services for them.
Such a shame, considering what scary things men will do if they don't have access to sex.
Posted by: Multicellular
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July 14, 2010 12:28 PM
In an attempt to expand the taxonomy a bit here are the #1 countries for these searches:
cat sex - Viet Nam
frog sex - India
ant sex - Lithuania
pig sex - Pakistan
cow sex - Bangladesh
duck sex - Finland
goose sex - USA
bird sex - India
kitten sex - Australia
kangaroo sex - Australia (tie me wallaby down)
puppy sex - USA
snake sex - Pakistan
and...
human sex - Ethiopia
Posted by: Roel
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July 14, 2010 12:31 PM
This is because camels and goats are not forced to wear burkhas. All that naked flesh must stimulate something.
I have no explanation for squid sex. It's just, you know, wrong.
Posted by: Epinephrine
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July 14, 2010 12:33 PM
I have a funny feeling that a search for dead opossum frottage porn will likely lead one here. Which would make the google analytics for Pharyngula interesting...
Posted by: mmelliott01
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July 14, 2010 12:33 PM
Ing@33: Hmmm... Tried to link to a YouTube video from the IT Crowd. Guess YouTube is having troubles today. Well anyway, they had a good bit about Googling Google.
Posted by: Acronym Jim
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July 14, 2010 12:35 PM
Some men, carcosa. Most of us just engage in a bit of onanism. That or curl up in a fetal position and cry.
Posted by: btthegeek
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July 14, 2010 12:37 PM
From the Pakistani obession with porn
to the Mormonite pretending scorn
it appears very clear
to the commenters here
we should all hail rule #34.
Posted by: vitriolix
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July 14, 2010 12:38 PM
Of course they are #1 for just plain "donkey" and near the top for "horse"... so maybe this isn't really all that dirty afterall.
Posted by: Acronym Jim
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July 14, 2010 12:41 PM
I wonder how scewed the results are from adolescents horsing around or making asses of themselves?
Posted by: Kobra
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July 14, 2010 12:49 PM
Wow, I expected USA to be #1 in searches for furry porn, and was just proven wrong.
Posted by: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawmVT1LBhwmO9ej9LNg7a5e9d-AVJ8ezfmE
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July 14, 2010 12:56 PM
If I actually believed there was an all-powerful being who cared about stuff like that, the last thing I'd do is play fast and loose with his rules. Conclusion: these "believers" are more atheist than I am.
Posted by: cousinavi
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July 14, 2010 1:17 PM
Oh, come now. Really?
I think the overwhelming reaction to the words, "Republican Sex Scandal" is a shrug. Perhaps a sigh. A roll of the eyes and a muttered, "Another one?" or perhaps, "Not THIS shit again!"
Searching for "Republican sex scandal"...might as well Google "water wet".
I would fully expect both camel sex and squid sex to outpace Republican sex just based on ease of access - it ain't hard to find Republican sex scandals. They're difficult to AVOID.
People looking for camel minge don't have nearly that many options.
And let's face it...if one is going to develop a camel kink, it would seem less likely to appear in Idaho. Where does a young lad get his first glimpse of camel? That's easier in some places than in others. How do the terms "Potato sex" or "Spud rape" stack up in the flyover states?
SOMEONE in Wisconsin is wearing assless chaps made of processed cheese right now. You know they are.
Posted by: mikerattlesnake
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July 14, 2010 1:21 PM
"Yeesh, this doesn't add up. Look at camel sex on Google trends—Pakistan is number one there, but Hebrew is the number one language? We're obviously missing something."
I would think searching in Hebrew would bring up israeli porn. Look at the title of the post again...
Posted by: First Approximation, L'esprit de l'escalier
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July 14, 2010 1:25 PM
Let's see what country finishes #1 for.....
horse bdsm: United Kingdom
muppets porn: United States
sex with car: India
vampire penis: United States
monkey blowjob: United States
disney porn: Trinidad and Tobago
interracial cannibalism: None
The above were the weirdest things I can think of. It however doesn't even come close to the infamous User 927.
Posted by: Fred The Hun
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July 14, 2010 1:37 PM
Rev. BigDumbChimp @ 52,
Camel BurkasI think you might want to reconsider that idea. Humpy here, would like give you a piece of her mind...
http://www.asknature.org/images/uploads/strategy/c1eb0f25d3e091f568ce26c0c6f8646f/camel_feature.jpg
Posted by: Quine
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July 14, 2010 1:40 PM
Squid sex was news at the BBC just last week:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8792000/8792008.stm
where it was reported that size does matter.
Posted by: gussnarp
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July 14, 2010 1:44 PM
Maybe it's all the American military contractors.
Posted by: rippingrich
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July 14, 2010 1:51 PM
I noticed a number of the surrounding countries ratings quite low.
I wonder is that because of tighter controls or are they the ones making the movies?
Posted by: fauxrs
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July 14, 2010 1:55 PM
Point taken :)
Posted by: Azkyroth
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July 14, 2010 2:19 PM
Disproving stereotypes: ur doing it wrong.
Posted by: cousinavi
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July 14, 2010 2:24 PM
The only ones need disproving are the ones that mislead.
/stashing sticky copies of Candid Camel and whistling innocently
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 2:29 PM
That's a face made for a Burka
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 2:41 PM
The hateful ignorance here is disgusting. I thought you lot were supposed to be so much smarter than the Xian fundies you despise. This thread offers little evidence of that. You seem as hateful, ill-informed and childish as the worst right-wing loons. 'Hurf-durf, the sand niggers fuck camels!' Many of the comments here would be candidates for FSTDT if they'd appeared on, say, Rapture Ready. Congratulations on being exactly as stupid and prejudiced as your enemies.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 2:45 PM
Funny, you are the first person to use that phrase so far.
Posted by: Rey Fox, Bird Caller Guy
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July 14, 2010 2:57 PM
"Yuck, FoxNews is saying this?"
Well, it smears Pakistan, so yeah, of course they'll say it. I suspect they'd be more mum about studies showing more porn use in red states.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 3:09 PM
Yeah in all honesty I think Pakistan in #112 has a point past all the hyperbole.
I haven't read every comment but I'd like some verification that these trends can be trusted and not easily hacked to make it appear one way. And if we go by #64, it's really not that many searches, though I'm going to have to think that more than 21 people in one country somewhere in the world searched camel sex at some point.
I'll admit I didn't put much thought in to it at first and fed into the easy joke.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 3:12 PM
If you can explain this, I'll try to explain yours.Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 3:13 PM
Hey, Pakistan, notice many of the comments here are going "Wait, that's not right, the [language|search term|provider] is all wrong?"
That means a lot of us here (including me) are ON YOUR SIDE, you hyperreactive egomaniac.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 3:15 PM
Funny, you are the first person to use that phrase so far.
Oh, forgive me. You're absolutely right. No one has had the guts to say it in plain English. You've mostly just been broadly hinting that animal-fucking is a popular Pakistani hobby.
Your dowager-like dudgeon at my crude paraphrase of the general attitude here is totally warranted. I apologize profusely for suggesting that any of the good people of Pharyngula would say something ignorant and potentially racist straight out. Of course you would cloak it in puerile 'nudge-nudge, wink-wink', and that makes it totally OK.
Fuck you, you arrogant hatemonger, and fuck PZ and his racist propaganda.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 3:19 PM
Apparently Pakistan only reads the comments that support his opinion.
Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 3:19 PM
Sometimes there's a core of truth in stereotypes. I'm tired of this. When you Pakistanis, in general, stop acting like the mideast version of southern trailer trash fundamentalist whackaloons, people will stop treating you as such.
Until then, you're right up (down?) there with Big Baptist Billy-Bob in the trailer park with his cock up a sheep's ass and a confederate flag tattoo.
Posted by: NerdySkeptic
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July 14, 2010 3:21 PM
Goat, camel and horse sex: Aahh! That's where so many of their religious leaders come from!
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 3:22 PM
Excuse me whilst I prepare the starfarting shelter.Is it funny to think of people fucking camels? Yeah. It is. However, I don't see anyone here saying "only Pakistanis would do that." (They might have, I haven't read all the comments, but for some reason I doubt it.) What people are commenting on is the fact that Pakistan is the top searcher for such things. Some are questioning this. That is amusing, and now you're amusing me.
Posted by: spaninquis
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July 14, 2010 3:23 PM
The first comment pointed out that it was a stereotype.
And when you get right down to it, PZ's post is totally tongue in cheek. But remember, most humor wouldn't be funny without the element of truth behind it.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 3:25 PM
Hey, Pakistan, notice many of the comments here are going "Wait, that's not right, the [language|search term|provider] is all wrong?"
Yes, of course I noticed that. That's why I said there was 'little' evidence of intelligence/decency here. Not 'no' evidence. You're the one who needs to read more carefully.
Apparently Pakistan only reads the comments that support his opinion.
No, your conscience got the better of you in the time it took me to write my second comment. Obviously, it didn't take you long to realize that you were being vile. Congratulations, but it's hardly my fault that you're so changeable.
Posted by: Stuart
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July 14, 2010 3:27 PM
PZ..
You're a beastialophobe.
Repent now!
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp
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July 14, 2010 3:30 PM
Well admittedly I didn't put much thought into the numbers and what it might be tied into. Changeable isn't a bad thing, though here it was more laziness.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 3:34 PM
When you Pakistanis, in general, stop acting like the mideast version of southern trailer trash fundamentalist whackaloons, people will stop treating you as such.
That's actually your defense? That you also denigrate other classes of people by suggesting that they fuck animals, and that makes it OK? So, I can call Jews stingy moneygrubbers if I also call, say, Chinese people that?
Is it funny to think of people fucking camels? Yeah. It is. However, I don't see anyone here saying "only Pakistanis would do that."
Because, of course, it's only offensive to call one group of people animal-fuckers if you think they're the ONLY group who do it. Just like it's not a horrible libel to claim Jews drink the blood of Xian babies, if you also say that Hindus do it.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 3:37 PM
Are you saying that people who fuck animals are not animal fuckers? Did I ever say that people who are not animal fuckers are animal fuckers?Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 3:41 PM
#127 is completely missing the point. *I* did not say "all Pakistanis fuck animals." What I did do was liken the majority of them to the scourge of fundamentalist whackjobs we have here in the southeastern and midwestern US.
Which, even you must admit, is true. The only real difference is Islam vs. Christianity. Both groups are ignorant, often poorly-educated, shortsighted, violent as a rule, and subscribers to a dangerous, irrational, and corrupt religion.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 3:46 PM
Are you saying that people who fuck animals are not animal fuckers? Did I ever say that people who are not animal fuckers are animal fuckers?
This is what PZ wrote in the original post:
"Nope, Pakistan was nothing special in any of those searches — they just really want to see more camel sex."
In this sentence the pronoun 'they' stands in for the noun 'Pakistan', i.e. the Pakistani people in general. So PZ certainly applied the animal fucker slur pretty damn broadly indeed.
And azumahazuki explicitly stated that he considered 'Pakistanis in general' to be on a par with Southern fundamentalists, who he seems to regard as particularly prone to animal-fucking.
So, I apologize to you Maslab. You, specifically, didn't explicitly link Pakistanis in general to animal-fucking, you just supported others who were saying that. What an important distinction that is, sorry to have missed it.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 3:53 PM
And you never stopped to think: "Gee, maybe this just applies to those Pakistanis who are actually searching for this kind of stuff and not just everyone." I don't think PZ, or anyone, should have to specify that. I don't support his opinion. I'd want to actually see some data on the subject first. Oh, I link Pakistanis to animal sex. I link the ones that actually fuck animals. The ones that don't have sex with animals are clearly not having sex with animals. This should not be something I have to clarify for you.Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 3:54 PM
I'm a woman actually. Sorry for not being all demure and silent and niqab-clad. Beekeeper fashions never looked right on me, and black is a terrible color to wear in summer heat.
And yes, sorry to say it (not really), but the majority of Pakistan *is* as dumb as the southeastern US. In a way it's not their fault; the education system sucks, the government is even more corrupt than the US system, and Islam has not been secularized to anywhere near the extent that Christianity has. The people are facing a massive handicap.
But ignorance still leads to idiocy, and when ignorant people get riled up, you get terrorist militias. We have them in the US, and you have them there; it's a matter of proportion.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 3:55 PM
Azumahazuki, your frantic backpedalling is so cute.
You compared Pakistanis to Southern fundamentalists, then wrote this - "you're right up (down?) there with Big Baptist Billy-Bob in the trailer park with his cock up a sheep's ass and a confederate flag tattoo."
I assumed 'Billy-Bob' was an imaginary composite figure representing Southern fundamentalists generally. Apparently, however, Billy Bob is just one actual sheepfucking Baptist you happen to know, and is not intended as a slur against a class of people in general. And who is the 'you' who is down there with Billy Bob? Just me? Oh, that's fine then. Forgive me for missing the point like the quaint little loincloth-clad brownskin I am. The English, she is so hard, you know?
If you didn't want your remarks to be read as applying to 'Pakistanis in general' maybe you shouldn't have used the phrase 'Pakistanis in general', ya know?
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 14, 2010 3:57 PM
Pakistan @ 112;
Because mocking Xians is OK (actually, it is one of my favourite pass times around here, but that is another story) but laughing at the hypocrisy of the religious extremists in Pakistan is just wrong and so racist...
PZ has said nothing about ethnicity, he is criticising the attitude of the religious toward sex, and in particular the hypocrisy of 'pious' nations who seem to have a very well developed interest in the more perverted corners of the internet. PZ's sharp tongue is hardly reserved for Pakistan.
Maybe you should look around the other articles a bit more and carefully read PZ's posts before starfarting all over the place.
Trying to scare us off by yelling "You dare criticse Islam? You RACISTS" is not going to work. If you have an argument, make it. If not, then your concern is noted, and don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.
Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 4:05 PM
Oh, Pakistan...no backpedalling. Yes, I did compare the general population of Pakistanis to said sheep-fucking southern fundamentalist. Yes, I said it. Call it hate speech if you like. But, if you'll notice, I compared a group of people to a stereotype. Just as not all southern fundamentalists have a taste for, er, leg of lamb, nor do all Pakistanis.
HOWEVER, I *did* state (and restate) that stereotypes come from somewhere, and in the main Pakistan is as undereducated and over-religious and nuts as, for example, the "every-Fundie" Billy Bob. You know this is true. And you also know that there tends to be animal-fucking in largely rural areas. If you have an entire population (short of some urban areas) that has similar morals, values, and lifestyle to another one, you expect similarity.
Why do I have to spell this out?
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 4:08 PM
I'm a woman actually. Sorry for not being all demure and silent and niqab-clad. Beekeeper fashions never looked right on me, and black is a terrible color to wear in summer heat.
Azuma Hazuki, who is apparently a character from a Japanese porno, often used the masculine pronoun 'boku' to refer to herself, so you should be pleased by my gender slip up. Anyway, I'm sorry I assumed you were a man - it was sexist of me to assume that only men could be racist assholes. I applaud your brave feminist decision to refer to people you don't like as animalfuckers. That's just like refusing to wear a niqab! The two things are so alike.
Posted by: PZ Myers
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July 14, 2010 4:09 PM
The generalization here is that repressed, conservative fundamentalists tend to seek out the pornography they publicly detest more than more liberal people. Not that Pakistanis as a whole are interested in camel sex. See the title for a clue. Read the first paragraph for more of the same idea.
I don't think all Pakistanis spend their spare time looking for pictures of bestiality, any more than I think all Americans are tracking down squid sex.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 4:12 PM
Excuse me, I'm just going to roll on the floor laughing now.Posted by: Cannabinaceae
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July 14, 2010 4:18 PM
I once fornicated in Utah. In a tent. Surrounded by people in RVs. On the shores of the Great Salt Lake. At, like, 4:30 in the afternoon.
I walked around looking at the folks pretty smugly afterwards.
Plus, I had some "non 3.2 beer" I had gotten in Idaho the previous day.
Ha ha ha. Now the tables are turned, and I feel emasculated1
Not.Posted by: PZ Myers
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July 14, 2010 4:20 PM
Gosh, a porno. How much camel-fucking was there in Yamibo?
That kind of prudish lashing out won't get you much sympathy, Pakistan.
Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 4:25 PM
Porno? Cute. Yamibou was full of fanservice (which I did NOT appreciate), but it was hardly pornographic. As it is, it's the first time a lesbian has been something besides a tragic villain or comic relief (or both) in the entire genre, which is a huge step forward for me. Also, Hazuki is the embodiment of monogamy and faithfulness, tearing through space and time in order to be reunited with the woman she loves. You may be referring to its prototype game, which had nearly zero screen time or dialog for this character. And as to fanservice, how ELSE are you going to keep the male viewers interested in what's essentially All My Children meets Quantum Leap?
Back on topic, there's nothing overtly feminist or anti-male about my calling out the population segment who ARE animal fuckers on their bestiality. Nor is there about my drawing a comparison between hyper-religious, ignorant whackadoos on either side of the Atlantic.
Posted by: johnlil#0a224
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July 14, 2010 4:25 PM
We can't really know the motives of people Googling "camel sex" until we refine the search to "hot camel sex."
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 14, 2010 4:27 PM
Pakistan @ 136;
Because hentai characters are just like real women, they are role models of feminine empowerment, what every woman aspires to be...
Why should azumahazuki be pleased that you have made an erroneous assumption as to her gender? Why should a woman be pleased to be called a man? In case you were not paying attention, this kind of goes against the idea behind feminine empowerment. Implying that calling a woman a man is by its very nature complementary is a repugnant display of misogyny. It goes back to the old cannard that women who think for themselves are 'mannish' and thus not truly feminine at all.
Only the first 14 words of that sentence were necessary.
I somehow missed the part where azumahazuki drew any link between her personal antipathy for someone else and any preference for copulation with animals. I also failed to notice the part where she said any of her opinions were based on feminism as a political movement or personal ideology.
However, I find it very suggestive that you find a it necessary to describe a woman who stands up to you and your peurile, hecktoring prattle as a 'feminist' as if the term is an imprecation...
Posted by: Shala
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July 14, 2010 4:29 PM
Azuma Hazuki, who is apparently a character from a Japanese porno,
nyoro~n :3
Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 4:31 PM
For the last time, Yamibou's animated adaptation was not a hentai! It was a lot tamer than some of what's popular in the mainstream now, I can tell you that.
There was a "visual novel" the 'toon was based on, but aside from having most of the same characters and a barely-similar-if-you-squint plot, there's almost no relation. And the VN's Hazuki was so different as to be a different character; about all that was the same was that she's gay.
Again: the fanservice was there to keep the males (the larger demographic for anime by far) interested in what's essentially a lesbian soap opera with a dash of soft scifi and fantasy carried along by a plot that makes Legend of Mana look linear and predictable.
Now can we stop arguing about some weird, obscure cartoon on a science blog? @_@
Posted by: Ewan R
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July 14, 2010 4:31 PM
That's not feminist, that's just sensible.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 4:32 PM
Gregory Greenwood: PZ has said nothing about ethnicity, he is criticising the attitude of the religious toward sex, and in particular the hypocrisy of 'pious' nations who seem to have a very well developed interest in the more perverted corners of the internet. PZ's sharp tongue is hardly reserved for Pakistan.
PZ said that Pakistan "just really want[s] to see more camel sex". That's Pakistan in general. So, yes, that is about ethnicity, to a degree.
Maybe you should look around the other articles a bit more and carefully read PZ's posts before starfarting all over the place.
If read quite a lot of PZ's blog, thanks very much for the condescension. I recall him addressing his criticisms to particular beliefs, never to a whole nation. Anyway, if he's done something as wrong and discriminatory as that before, it was wrong then, and is wrong now.
Trying to scare us off by yelling "You dare criticse Islam? You RACISTS" is not going to work.
I'm not Muslim. I never suggested that Islam was beyond criticism. I said that PZ, and some others, should not denigrate a whole nation by suggesting that the populace in general is addicted to sex with camels and other animals.
azumahazuki: Yes, I did compare the general population of Pakistanis to said sheep-fucking southern fundamentalist. Yes, I said it. Call it hate speech if you like. But, if you'll notice, I compared a group of people to a stereotype. Just as not all southern fundamentalists have a taste for, er, leg of lamb, nor do all Pakistanis.
Umm, I do call it hate speech, and so would anyone who didn't have a weird blindspot about certain classes of people. You're SO kind to concede that not ALL Pakistanis/Southerners are animal fuckers (but lots of them are, amirite?). I'm sure both groups are insanely grateful to you, and you'll no doubt be feted in Atlanta and Islamabad for this gracious condescension.
Why do I have to spell this out?
Cause obviously I'm too dumb to realize that when you begin with 'Pakistanis in general', you don't mean 'Pakistanis in general'. Apparently, when you say a thing, it means whatever you want it to, and can change meaning whenever it suits you. This must be very convenient.
Oh, and I love how you go on about how 'stereotypes come from somewhere'. Every racist says this kind of thing - 'Oh, I don't hate blacks, I know they're not all criminals, but look at the crime statistics - THE STEREOTYPE COMES FROM SOMEWHERE!' Yup, that's a great argument.
Posted by: First Approximation, L'esprit de l'escalier
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July 14, 2010 4:35 PM
The conversations here always take a weird turn.
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/KI9.4t8P0eWdP3v7Axw3LdtrXw--#48285
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July 14, 2010 4:38 PM
aka No Gurus,
What's next in this progression to hell? You start with porn in Utah and it could lead to polygamy, sex with minors (that is men having sex with little girls they call "wives"), religious fanaticism and forced marriages.... Oh wait, I forgot. That already happened.
Posted by: Birger Johansson
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July 14, 2010 4:38 PM
A brief digression from the embryonic flame war:
"NEW Mel Gibson Audio Tape Rant: 'I Deserve To Be Blown!'" (and after he demands oral sex he threatens to burn the house down)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/new-mel-gibson-audio-tape_n_645768.html
OK, I give up. I will not defend Mel Gibson any more. He really is batshit-crazy!
It has nothing to do with online porn, but Mel Gibson is as entertaining as a train wreck.
Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 4:42 PM
Stereotypes *do* come from somewhere.
However, the question is "WHAT are the stereotypes describing?" The problem is when people assume that "X group acts according to stereotype Y, therefore Y is an inborn/innate/genetic/whatever behavior to group X." This is not so.
To use your example about blacks, crime statistics show a disproportionate amount of blacks in jail compared to their population percentage. Does this mean blacks are inherently criminals?
Absolutely not. If you trace WHY a lot of them are in jail, it comes down to drug offenses, usually nonviolent ones. Very often weed. If you then follow the history of marijuana laws, you will see a racist and specifically anti-black and anti-Hispanic bias in them. Therefore, while the stereotype "blacks are criminals" appears to be borne out by the data, the problem is a skewed application of the LABEL of "criminal." This is related to the genetic fallacy somehow, I'm sure.
Similarly, the stereotype of the ignorant animal-fucking fundamentalist comes from culture, not something innate to, say, Southern whites or natives of Islamabad. That is, there is no gene for being a hateful, sheep-sodomizing Klan member, but someone growing up in that region is more likely to fall into that behavior than someone in, say, Ontario Canada or Moscow Russia.
Posted by: Shala
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July 14, 2010 4:46 PM
It was a lot tamer than some of what's popular in the mainstream now,
Especially that "Uguu!" moeblob shit.
Gimme Hajime no Ippo or Vinland Saga any day!
Posted by: frog, Inc.
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July 14, 2010 4:48 PM
Brian English: Freud was generally full of it, but one of his insights was how we project what's on our mind onto others.
What's with the Freud hate? He was a bullshitter -- but so was Mendel. The problem of his models is that they're not very generalizable -- they apply to middle-class Viennese from before WWI, who were unusually conflicted over issues of sex, class and control. When he tried to apply them outside of that category, it turned into literature rather than ethnology.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 4:49 PM
Looks like something finally got through... I really should not have to spell this out for you. I feel like I'm teaching someone how to read.Try adding the qualifier "More camel sex than other countries." See the difference?
Posted by: frog, Inc.
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July 14, 2010 4:50 PM
Reminds me of the old joke:
Why do you always have to take two mormons fishing?
If you take only one, he'll drink all your beer.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 4:55 PM
Greenwood: Implying that calling a woman a man is by its very nature complementary is a repugnant display of misogyny. It goes back to the old cannard that women who think for themselves are 'mannish' and thus not truly feminine at all.
Please, this is just desperate reaching. I don't speak Japanese or watch anime, so I initially thought 'Azuma' was a male name, as in the boxer Azumah Nelson. On being corrected, I learned that the character azumahazuki has named herself after refers to herself with a masculine pronoun, so I thought that was funny. I think it's pretty unfair to say 'well, he thought Azuma was a man's name, so he hates women and thinks they should wear niqab'. As I said, I'm not even Muslim, so I don't advocate niqab for anyone. I don't care if azumahazuki is feminine or the butchest butch. I want her to stop being racist.
PZ: I don't think all Pakistanis spend their spare time looking for pictures of bestiality, any more than I think all Americans are tracking down squid sex.
Then why say 'they' - referring to the nation of Pakistan in general - like camel sex? It's not my fault if you have a poor grasp of English.
That kind of prudish lashing out won't get you much sympathy, Pakistan.
I coudn't give a fuck if she likes porno - even camelfucking porno. But if she does, that's her business - it has nothing to do with EVERY OTHER PERSON in her country.
Posted by: Orange Utan, Librarian of Death
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July 14, 2010 4:57 PM
Time to try other Pharyngumemes?
Pygmies + Dwarves
Nothing returned for the courtier's reply.
Posted by: Acronym Jim
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July 14, 2010 4:59 PM
No! No, no, no no. Get it right - It's atheists who imbibe the blood of xian babies (while dining on their tender barbeque giblets).
Whoever came up with the stereotype that the Jews do so was silly. Blood's just not Kosher!
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 5:04 PM
Should I assume that because your name is "Pakistan" and Pakistan is an obviously masculine state that you are male? omffsm. I've pointed out that 'they' just might have been referring to the Pakistanis having sex with animals or Pakistanis looking up said videos/pics.Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 5:05 PM
FFS...Yamibou WAS NOT A HENTAI. I don't watch such things, mostly because they're equal parts misogynist and ridiculous.
Posted by: PZ Myers
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July 14, 2010 5:14 PM
What convoluted version of the English language should I use to refer in general to an unspecified subset of a country? Most people can understand that a general reference does not imply that it is a universal reference that applies to every individual.
But your hysteria is getting a bit obnoxious. Go away and cool down. Otherwise I'm not going to be able to resist the terrible temptation -- the country of Pakistan is notorious for trying to censor the internet, so how could I not turn it around and ban Pakistan?
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 5:17 PM
Maslab: Should I assume that because your name is "Pakistan" and Pakistan is an obviously masculine state that you are male?
No, but apparently it was OK for azumahazuki to assume I'm Muslim on the basis of this name. That doesn't seem to have bothered anyone.
omffsm. I've pointed out that 'they' just might have been referring to the Pakistanis having sex with animals or Pakistanis looking up said videos/pics.
Well, if you've pointed it out, there's an end of it. Forgive me for doubting your authority, o Wise One. I'm just an oversensitive brown who's imagining racism where it doesn't exist. Thanks for interpreting my experience for me.
Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 14, 2010 5:26 PM
Pakistan;
Reading is not the same as understanding, as you are amply demonstrating on this thread.
and;
*sigh* You are doing it again. At what point, in any of my posts, did I say you were a muslim?
Go ahead, take your time. Read them all again. I said that you could not stop us criticising Islam by calling us racist. I did not say you yourself were muslim. You could just as easily be a non-muslim religious accomodationalist or someone with an extremely thin skin about any criticism of the social mores of certain groups within the broader Pakistani populous.
I called you a misogynist because you said that azumahazuki should be "pleased" that you assumed she was a man. Some muslims are misogynist, but not all misogynists are muslim. At no point did I refer to the nuqab other than in a quote.
Your strawman is on fire.
Well, that could be a problem, since you have failed to establish that she is a racist.
Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 5:28 PM
Pakistan, I didn't assume you were. If anything I suspect you're one of the coalition forces' linguists or something.
The country as a whole IS a fundamentalist hellhole though, largely due to Islam and ignorance. The Taliban seem to be ramping up, the government is a corrupt US puppet, and no one seems to care.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 5:29 PM
Assumptions don't bother me, personally. They bother me when people refuse to correct them. You corrected yours, and she corrected hers. You're even as far as that goes. Your sarcasm amuses me. Mmm... yeah. Pretty much.Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 6:02 PM
PZ: What convoluted version of the English language should I use to refer in general to an unspecified subset of a country?
Well, you could say 'some Pakistanis' or even 'some people in Pakistan'. Or is that too convoluted?
You keep insisting that my reading of your post is so unreasonable, that you were only saying that 'they' means those Pakistanis who want to watch animal sex. But that is completely redundant; to say that people who search for animal sex want to search for animal sex is a circular statement. If 'they' was not intended to cast some sort of aspersion on other Pakistanis, it was completely pointless.
Gregory Greenwood: *sigh* You are doing it again. At what point, in any of my posts, did I say you were a muslim?
Now, who exactly is not reading carefully? I didn't say you thought I was Muslim. I merely pointed out two facts - that I myself am not Muslim, nor do I think Islam is beyond criticism. That is just outlining my OWN position, not an attempt to guess what YOU are thinking. I said I was neither Muslim nor a Muslim sympathizer to establish that my concerns are not connected with religion per se, but with race/nationality/ethnicity. Seriously, read it again, I think you missed something.
The second time I affirmed that I was non-Muslim, was in regard to azumahazuki's remarks about niqab, not to your remarks. She now claims that she didn't think I was Muslim, but just a non-Muslim who advocates niqab, which seems fairly unbelievable to me. Anyway, that's nothing to do with you. Perhaps you should go back and re-read that bit, too.
I called you a misogynist because you said that azumahazuki should be "pleased" that you assumed she was a man.
Only because the character she apparently admires is a gender-bender who speaks of herself with a masculine pronoun, not because I think women in general are inferior to men. It was the resemblance to this character that I thought might please her, not any resemblance to a man. You keep trying to make it something it's not; it's rather dishonest.
Well, that could be a problem, since you have failed to establish that she is a racist.
You're right. Her belief that certain kinds of people are more likely to fuck animals is based on SO MUCH solid evidence and research, it would be churlish to call her prejudiced.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 6:07 PM
You're right. It would be redundant to say that people looking for animal sex are looking for animal sex. You're right. People who have sex with animals are a race and it's racist to say that all people who have sex with animals are having sex with animals.Posted by: Gregory Greenwood
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July 14, 2010 6:08 PM
Pakistan @ 166;
And casual homophobia too? You are a class act, Pakistan.
Posted by: rolan.le.gargeac
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July 14, 2010 6:11 PM
Pakistan #136:
No, she's a student who gets caught up in the Great Library.
Read more,
Read wider,
Depth may follow,
Shallow always fallow
(Me Seriously Pioused)
Posted by: Acronym Jim
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July 14, 2010 6:16 PM
Applying Pakistan's (the commentor, not the country) stellar logic - PZ thinks all merkins are fishfuckers, especially pharynguloids.
Why do you hate us PZ?
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 6:21 PM
Maslab: You're right. People who have sex with animals are a race and it's racist to say that all people who have sex with animals are having sex with animals.
No, people who have sex with animals are not a race. But Pakistanis are a race (depending on your definition of that word) or perhaps more accurately an ethnicity or a nationality, and azumahazuki claims that they are more prone to sex with animals than others, and she says this on the basis of very flimsy evidence. You want so desperately to have your prejudice validated, to be told that it's somehow different from the prejudice of uneducated people. It's sad.
Gregory Greenwood:And casual homophobia too? You are a class act, Pakistan.
I used the term gender-bender because I don't know about this anime or whatever it is. I don't know if the character is gay/straight/bi, I don't know if she's transsexual or just butch, or if her habit of using a masculine pronoun is just an isolated quirk. For all I know, the character is a straight woman who just likes to use a masculine pronoun. Gender-bender is a non-insulting term for anyone who plays games with gender, on any level of seriousness. Or did you think only gays like to mix it up genderwise, you homophobe? Genderbender is a term used by admirers to refer to such genderplay icons as Boy George and David Bowie; it's not a slur. Jesus, not everyone is as dull and funsucking as you are. Your constant nitpicking is wearing my non-genderspecific ass OUT, Mary.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 6:27 PM
Name one fucking place where I've shown myself to be prejudiced against the Pakistanis.Posted by: azumahazuki
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July 14, 2010 6:32 PM
[The character] Hazuki is just a lesbian. The kind you wouldn't know is gay from looking at her. The masculine pronoun in question, "boku," has been used by female characters before, notably Sailor Jupiter. It's becoming more acceptable for women, at least younger women, to use it. Now "ore" on the other hand, is like balls-out masculine, and the only female character I know of who uses it is Sailor Uranus, who *is* a very butch (and very yummy!) lesbian. Like, "drives a motorcycle and gets mistaken for a very pretty man" butch.
Now, can we please, PLEASE, quit arguing the "finer" points of some weird little lesbian soap opera cartoon from 2003? Thankupo @_@
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 6:43 PM
Applying Pakistan's (the commentor, not the country) stellar logic - PZ thinks all merkins are fishfuckers, especially pharynguloids.
PZ said that the US is #1 in searches for squid sex; he didn't go on to say that 'they' - some non-specific mass of scary, undifferentiated others - like fishfucking.
Maslab: Name one fucking place where I've shown myself to be prejudiced against the Pakistanis.
No, you've been very careful. But frankly, I can't be bothered to differentiate blatant racists from gutless pipsqueaks who cheer prejudice on from the sidelines.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 6:45 PM
Oh, of course, as PZ is American, it would have been 'WE like fishfucking'.
Posted by: Ichthyic
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July 14, 2010 6:47 PM
leaving aside my particular sexual preferences...
squid are NOT fish.
that is all.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 6:47 PM
If I had seen racism, I would condemn it wholeheartedly. I absolutely hate bigotry. What I see here is a failure to communicate. All of a sudden, I feel like having some calamari.And sucking gently on each morsel.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, Quel Dommage
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July 14, 2010 6:52 PM
I give it .8 Starfart
Posted by: Betelgeuse
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July 14, 2010 6:54 PM
@Pakistan
To borrow something from your own spiel. Not quite the same context, but don't you see that you're doing the exact same thing that you're up in arms about?
Consider for instance the following threads from way back:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/07/godless_croats.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/05/idiot_america_new_and_expanded.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/05/progress_in_saudi_arabia.php
I haven't posted them for the content but just for you to look at the titles. Does 'Godless Croats' imply all Croats are godless? Umm, no. But anybody would be able to look past the words, read the post and understand what its all about.
'Progress in Saudi Arabia' implies that SA is now a haven of equal oppurtunities and the ultimate in liberalism? Not at all, most likely. But who here went up in arms about the apparent generalization?
It feels a bit ridiculous trying to explain the difference between genuine ethnic/whatever targetting and a tongue-in-cheek pointer towards an interesting data trend to you.
There have been many people on the thread who cast doubt upon the data in the first place; and its honestly quite hysterical of you to create an issue for yourself, or take imagined slight at something that wasn't even real.
Perhaps it would help for you to take a step back from being oversensitive and angry about nothing, and realize that its interesting from the point of view of, 'Oh repressed countries seem to be doing more things clandestine-ly (word??) than imagined..hmmm'.
Then again, its stupid to have to actually put this down into words.
Posted by: Acronym Jim
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July 14, 2010 6:56 PM
Of course they aren't Ichthyic. But I was applying Pakistan's stellar logic.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 7:00 PM
If I had seen racism, I would condemn it wholeheartedly.
Of course, there's no racism here. Own's one racism is always easy to see, so it must be something else. After all, Pharyngulites are the smart wicked-cool atheist kids, so when we laugh at poor brown people, it's OK, because...err, just is, that's all.
All of a sudden, I feel like having some calamari. And sucking gently on each morsel.
Can't those humorless
bitchesPakistanis just take a joke? See, I don't mind being called a zoophile, so why should they?Posted by: frog, Inc.
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July 14, 2010 7:02 PM
Ing: Mormons are insanely anti-drug...how is this at all reconciled?
You really don't understand authoritarians if you think "reconciling" is a major issue for them.
Read Altermeyer's "The Authoritarians" to get a sociological/ethnological gloss on how they think.
Posted by: Betelgeuse
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July 14, 2010 7:04 PM
GAh! Nobody here is laughing at any poor brown people. Will you please stop listening to those voices in your head and taking imagined slight?
Have you even read about how Utah is joke central because of their rampant conservative policies, and yet they are the number one state in terms of porn searches?
Joke/sarcasm/irony lost on you much?
Time to stop feeling victimised please?
There are places where that sentiment is valid. This isn't one of those.
Posted by: Maslab
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July 14, 2010 7:07 PM
Ugh... You said it. In my time here, I've seen black people, brown people, and white people get laughed at. I've joined in the laughter.Guess who gets made fun of most of the time?
That's right. Whiteys like me.
Yeah! I will now sum up my emotions for this sentence with a strangled sound in the back of my throat.Posted by: Betelgeuse
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July 14, 2010 7:13 PM
@me #179.
Eeks. Idiot America is the post I was going for the most as an example, and I left that out. But you can see where I was going with that argument.
Also, when I said way back I actually meant 'it could even be two days old but sometimes my brain trips up on chronology'.
Posted by: Pakistan
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July 14, 2010 7:15 PM
Does 'Godless Croats' imply all Croats are godless?
No. But it's not the same construction that PZ used to talk about Pakistan. He didn't write 'Croatia' - which is the COUNTRY AS A WHOLE - then refer back to Croatia as 'they'.
'Progress in Saudi Arabia' implies that SA is now a haven of equal oppurtunities[sic] and the ultimate in liberalism?
Again, not even the same construction by a long shot.
Oh, and please try to be less of a condescending asshole the next time you display your utter inability to understand the subtleties of the English language.
[Pakistan -- you suck. Buh bye. -- pz]
Posted by: PZ Myers
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July 14, 2010 7:19 PM
Pakistan will no longer be having public hissyfits over his tendentious parsing of the English language.
Posted by: Betelgeuse
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July 14, 2010 7:21 PM
Fuck you, repeatedly and many times over, if I may add.
Taking imagined slight at something that WAS NOT IMPLIED isn't going to make anybody take you seriously. At all.
Notice how I'm yelling at you?
Yes, that happens when most people encounter the worst cases of obduracy ever!
And as I admitted, those examples weren't top notch but I was trying to make a point wrt generalizations. Anybody with a shred's worth of brain would get that.
Clearly that isn't you.
Fuck off please.
Posted by: Ichthyic
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July 14, 2010 7:23 PM
No. But it's not the same construction that PZ used to talk about Pakistan.
strange, but I've re-read the original post 3 times now.
I really don't think PZ was saying much about anything, except what he said in his very first paragraph. He is concerned about xian hypocrisy.
the rest was just noting interesting trends in google searches, which knowing PZ, was probably his way of wondering whether google search data was really worthwhile to begin with.
you're hyperbolically inflating shit that simply isn't there.
one might think you were just trolling...
Posted by: Ichthyic
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July 14, 2010 7:24 PM
...crap, that was posted just a minute too late I see.
:P
Posted by: Betelgeuse
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July 14, 2010 7:44 PM
:/ Got that last one in late.
Oh well then.
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/KI9.4t8P0eWdP3v7Axw3LdtrXw--#48285
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July 14, 2010 7:45 PM
aka No Gurus,
Interesting that with all the complaints from Pakistan, not a single peep from a Mormon apologist to explain why they like looking at porn, which is what the article is centrally about. I guess the Mormons must be too busy visiting porn sites to reply, or they have a sense of humor, or they know it's true.
Posted by: kilternkafuffle
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July 14, 2010 8:14 PM
@"Pakistan", who might still be reading:
I take issue with the fact that you refer to yourself as "Pakistan". You claim to be fighting generalization, yet you take on the identity of a gigantic nation. It's silly.
Maybe you are used to thinking in nationalistic terms, which spurs you to defend, *presumably*, your own nation at the slightest semblance of an insult, but to believers in individualism, among whom I see PZ, such thinking is simply weird.
Speaking only for myself, I have never heard the "all Pakistanis are camel-fuckers" stereotype (thanks for the tip! I'll mention it to my Pakistani suitemate!), so I come here with zero prejudice.
What I see is hard data showing that (among the English-speakers who use Google for porn) Pakistanis as a group search for camel sex more than anyone else. Maybe everyone else in the world secretly fantasizes about hot camel sex, and all the Pakistanis who search it are searching it for a laugh, but the goddamn, fucking, plainly-visible fact is that the most camel sex searches on Google come from Pakistan. No one here thinks Pakistanis are an inferior ethnicity - in fact most will say that, basically, the only way they differ from Indians is religion. Thus there is no natural predisposition toward camel sex presumed to do with the Pakistani nation.
How do *you* grapple with these statistics??? Saying "some Pakistanis" like camel sex doesn't change much, because "some Americans" like camel sex too, but the former quantity, if you believe Google, is evidently greater than the latter.
What the Pharyngulate hordes are more likely guilty of, is saying that the sexual repression brought on by religion/social conservatism in general (and Christianity/Mormontology in Utah, Islam in Pakistan, in particular) leads to greater camel sex desires, i.e. the fraction of the population with a bestiality fetish varies with the level of sexual repression in society. (Pakistan might stand out among other Muslim nations because it has the most English speakers and a higher level of poverty and social conflict than Bahrain or Bosnia.)
Japan is known for bukkake. Germany for Scheiße porn. It's a comment on culture, not on ethnicity. Get over it.
Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook
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July 14, 2010 8:52 PM
I spent a little time thinking over what Pakistan said. The white privilege, I has it. So perhaps I should look and listen more carefully.
On reflection, it's still no. What PZ said is clearly not lumping all Pakistanis, or all brown people, as camelshaggers. It's about fundamentalism and repression; he even starts with US examples.
But while Pakistan is wrong, it is still something to be alert for. We have the Rev keeping us in line when we overgeneralise about the US south - and that's a lesson that we *should* generalise.
Posted by: arkestrate
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July 15, 2010 3:32 AM
Hmm.
After having slept for a bit, after having added a cranky comment as well, I can see where Pakistan (the writer) could be coming from.
At first blush, one could take PZ's post the wrong way, and consider it...unfortunate. And yes, comments by some, namely azumahazuki, can be seen as not exactly enlightened either. But aside from my micro-micro rant earlier on, I don't see PZ's post as being racist towards Pakistanis, or singling them/us out in particular. Any time he's posted linked material that's sketchy in nature (the Jhelum post, or that horrid video by Geert 'Srebrenica turns me on' Wilders), he's rejected them once they turn out to be less than kosher.
I think that what's happened is that Pakistan (TW) must have thought that PZ was insinuating that all Pakistanis are up for some Camelidae action, rather than just talking about some google searches. Phrasing is key on the internet, and he took it the wrong way.
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/N16qYlY3o.YrQU402.yg8NYZ9Iq3pvhHlxNeAw--#f0c0d
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July 15, 2010 11:41 PM
Do Utahns purchase more pornography in total, or is it just a substitution effect because they have fewer options to purchase pornography offline? I don't think you can conclude anything from online pornography sales unless you also consider adult bookstores and video stores.
Posted by: CJ54
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July 16, 2010 11:33 AM
As I pull a cigarette out of the pack I realize that I'll never feel the same about putting a Camel in my mouth. *sigh*
Posted by: nancybrownom9
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May 11, 2011 4:43 AM
And the more you are against it, the less experienced you are about it, the more ... And the more you repress it, the deeper it goes into your unconscious and grips you at the roots.
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