…and this is a 
This is an experiment. Take care, readers, you might experience symptoms of distress and nausea if you actually watch this video.
Wow. "Quantum". "Vibrational frequencies". "Higher planes". "Vibratory medicine". Attractive young lady waving her hands over people. Did you know Melissa Hocking has a double degree in…Science? Really, it's true — check out the Quantum BioEnergetics website if you don't believe me. It's got testimonials.
Many clients, adolescent, adult and child, have reported healings from Cancers, Mental illnesses, Depression, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Physical injuries, a variety of Disabilities including Cerebral Palsy, ASD (Autism), and many other Serious Afflictions.
Notice that she doesn't just cure serious afflictions — she cures Serious Afflictions, which are far more serious than the lower case kind.
Unfortunately, my audience tends to be a little bit skeptical of this sort of thing, so you may be feeling a little dissonance and dismay, and you may be disturbed about this kind of outrageous bunkum and the way it's taking advantage of gullible, sick people. If you're upset, here's what I want you to do. Rest your hands lightly on your computer keyboard, and lean forward until your forehead just touches the screen. Wait there for a few minutes. I have waggled my fingers over my laptop while composing this blog entry, and the beneficent vibrations will be radiating out over the internet in the form of quantum soothing bubbles.
Do you feel a little better now?
Then send me money.
Comments
Posted by: yorrike
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February 27, 2011 8:43 AM
Can she heal the brain aneurism she and her friends just caused?
Posted by: johnny459
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February 27, 2011 8:44 AM
So, I have this missing leg that I'd like back...
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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February 27, 2011 8:44 AM
Are those quantum bubbles in, on or interpenetrating the quantum foam?
I think this a very important distinction.
TWIGG
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 8:46 AM
That woman looks waay too much like Doctor (yeah, sure) Gillian McKeith (hoch...ptui) for me to even contemplate clicking play.
I am so closed minded.
Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space, OM, A little FUCKING ray of sunshine
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February 27, 2011 8:47 AM
Is quantum foam spermicidal?
Posted by: Judy L.
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February 27, 2011 8:49 AM
Yes, "many clients...have reported healings". Usually this means that someone's doctor has told them that they need to do some tests to rule out certain conditions, then that someone walks away believing that they have those conditions, give this woman some money and it turns out they've don't have those conditions...they been healed! (People are rotten reporters of their own behaviour and observations.)
Attention, relaxation, recreation, touch, exercise, meditation, hanging out with friends, having a social group who meets regularly, and being loved all improve a person's health and well-being and medical outcomes...and all these things make you FEEL better, but do not make you better, do not heal or cure.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 8:50 AM
Oh, and the quantum cheque is in the post (it's also still here, but that's quantum for you.)
Posted by: Paul Durrant
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February 27, 2011 8:51 AM
An amazing amount of woo and implausible suggestions. And then there's the disclaimer:
"Melissa Hocking makes no claims, promises or guarantees. Neither Melissa nor anyone associated with her work, inclusive of but not limited to healing sessions facilitated through melissa hocking healing, or Quantum BioEnergetics International are diagnosing or treating any specific health issue. All participants are solely responsible for seeing to and continuing with their own medical treatments and care, and are responsible for their own conduct, care and wellbeing throughout the program."
Which I suspect has been a lot more carefully worded than any other paragraph on her website, since its her "Get Out of Court Free" card.
Posted by: cfmilner
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February 27, 2011 8:51 AM
The logo looks quite similar to illustrations of Tolkien's white tree of Gondor. Kinda fits with the whole make-believe theme of the website.
What? She really believes this shit?
Oh ...
Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space, OM, A little FUCKING ray of sunshine
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February 27, 2011 8:52 AM
Interesting. It only took about a century for the nutcases to discover quantum mechanics--well, really about 70 years if you count "The Tao of Physics." They discovered relativity almost immediately, and we have clear evidence from FSTDT that they've discovered Thermodynamics.
I wonder how long it will take them to get String Theory or Quantum Loop Gravity wrong.
Posted by: Judy L.
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February 27, 2011 8:52 AM
Oh, and while you can't overdose on woo, you can certainly die from it if that's what you're using instead of real medical treatment.
Posted by: John Warner
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February 27, 2011 8:56 AM
As a person with a degree in Chemistry specialising in Quantum Chemistry - I get really really pissed off at these woo woo merchants who are using the word "quantum" to see their rubbish.
Melissa Hocking is a Anatomical Physiologist - so I suspect she took a double degree in Anatomy and Physiology - she never says what the sciences are she studied.
If I remember correctly and I might not - it is commonly the refuge of those who couldn't get into med school.
Posted by: consciousness razor
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February 27, 2011 8:56 AM
Personally I believe very strongly in holistic medicine. On the one hand, there is the whole of medicine, on the other, there is everything else.
Posted by: gravematter
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February 27, 2011 8:57 AM
How is it legal for these con artists to operate? There is nothing worse than these charlatans who use quantum physics to justify complete drivel. They're able to get away with it because quantum physics is so counter-intuitive it seems almost magical to a lot of non-scientists - so they can say anything and justify it by saying "oh it's quantum" ie it's scientific but it seems all magical. It's one thing for deluded people to believe they have healing powers, or psychic abilities, or whatever, but this hijacking of scientific priniples to convince people of this woo is cynical beyond belief.
Posted by: mxh
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February 27, 2011 9:00 AM
@#14 gravematter, these con artists are legally called "doctors" in Maine.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:00 AM
I do wish they would stop translating "Quack" as "Quantum", it's bad enough that dishwasher detergent is quantum in the UK.
Posted by: э̀иэЯ
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February 27, 2011 9:01 AM
Don't you get it? This surely must be working! Look at the fonts they're using! There's even the ancient Chinese character for "tranquility"* present -- ancient wisdom can't be wrong, surely.
_____________________
* The character is a kneeling woman under a roof. Get that, ladies!
Posted by: mxh
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February 27, 2011 9:02 AM
oh and other con artists (like chiropractors) are called "doctor" everywhere (and even have patients referred to them by actual - though not very good - doctors).
Posted by: ss123
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February 27, 2011 9:04 AM
Can ugly people do this too?
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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February 27, 2011 9:06 AM
On the "perp walk the pope" thread we got into an interesting debate on the challenge these kinds of woo meisters present to freedom of speech.
I still think it's vital that we start to consider for regulation all public claims quantum or otherwise overlaying, at a minimum, some kind of indicator or assessment to the veracity of a given claim.
It seems wierd we can mandate (in the EU not sure of the US) energy rating indicators for appliances but we let claims that can result in actual death go unremarked upon.
TWIGG
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:09 AM
I missed #5... thank you so much a_ray_in_dilbert_space, that is a LOL.
Posted by: consciousness razor
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February 27, 2011 9:10 AM
PZ, this kind of thing is why you'll only ever be an awesome person.
Admit it. You have a problem.
What you have to do instead is con people out of their money first, then get them to believe your woo, then you con them out of even more money, then get all of their friends to do the same, by which time you have the makings of a decent MLM scheme. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I know it seems complicated, but with some practice, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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February 27, 2011 9:11 AM
From her website:
The poor woman suffers from autism.
The "Exciting Research" (capitals in original) concentrates on various methods of transferring money from the client to the wooist.
Posted by: stoic.myopenid.com
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February 27, 2011 9:12 AM
I think I'll just file a lawsuit for malpractice.
Posted by: Peter Ashby
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February 27, 2011 9:12 AM
@JohnWarner
As someone who could justify describing myself as an 'Anatomical Physiologist'* I object to your slur that this was because I couldn't get into Med School. Every other person in my honours year who got a first went into Medicine, except me. Instead I turned my honours project into a PhD project.
*Asked just before I submitted by the Head of Dept to describe Physiology in the intro lecture to the new 3rd years I described how my research was almost entirely using anatomical methods, I cut a LOT of sections in my PhD it was still Physiology because I was not interested in structure for it's own sake but only in its relationship to function and snapshots in a time series was still measuring function.
Since then I've added molecular genetics, molbio and even a smattering of cellbio as well as a very large slug of Devbio. But I'll happily take Anatomical Physiologist and your sneering will affect me not one jot. Your prejudices are not my problem.
Posted by: desertfroglet
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February 27, 2011 9:15 AM
This tale of sexual assault by a so-called shaman in Melbourne is utterly disgusting, but it does contain one paragraph worth reading:
I forgot to mention that you should switch off your irony meters before you read that bit.
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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February 27, 2011 9:19 AM
@desertfroglet
You utter inconsiderate shite. Where am I going to get replacement parts on a Sunday?
TWIGG
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:23 AM
Fortunately, I laid in a spare after that last fiasco.
Just off to get it installed....
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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February 27, 2011 9:24 AM
The ratings are required in the US as well.
Posted by: MyOwnPath1
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February 27, 2011 9:24 AM
The beginning of this video has swiped the graphics from the popular video The Secret. It uses the same golden parchment paper and red wax stamp. Golden parchment was also used throughout The Secret. Then again, The Secret ripped off their format from What the Bleep Do We Know.
It seems as if it acceptable in woo to allow another author to directly use your quotes, info, etc. I have found blatant copyright violations with several well known authors including the master regurgitator, Wayne Dyer. I guess this creates a cohesive view that is seemingly more legitimate to the users of woo.
This is also a rip off of Reiki. She's not very original, but is smart to say within more popular versions of woo.
Posted by: Rasmus
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February 27, 2011 9:28 AM
Ah. Yes. The quantum level. I feel it.
I feel the atoms on the tips of my fingers exchanging virtual photons with these little bits of plastic with ancient Roman and Arabic glyphs on them that I have in front of me. There's a message coming out! It reads... Wait for it...
"Fucking crooks."
Posted by: desertfroglet
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February 27, 2011 9:29 AM
My ever so 'umble apologies, Brian. I'd offer you mine, but it's gone bung.
I've been trying to track down Ms Hocking's quals, but to no avail. I notice that the single peer reviewed paper waved around by the QBI was published in the Australian Journal of Parapsychology by one of the journal's scientific advisors who is, for some reason, no longer at Deakin University.
Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM, CR
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February 27, 2011 9:30 AM
Here at Cuttlefish U., we actually do have two (that I am aware of) practicing Bioenergetic therapists. They have yet to make their quantum leap, however. It's still utter horseshit, though, and I take great delight each semester in telling my students this, and arming them with questions to ask should they find themselves in one of these classrooms.
Posted by: R. Schauer
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February 27, 2011 9:32 AM
No, PZ. That's a bootleg video found on the cutting-room floor of a long-forgotten Star Trek episode. I've seen it on The Internet. It was memorable because one of James T. Kirk's lines was, "I'm experiencing quantum leaking in my energy field...Spock, help me!" If you go back and look closely, it's Kirk lying on that table.
Posted by: co
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February 27, 2011 9:33 AM
Now, c'mon, people! Melissa's site has mention of some published research (their second paper is coming out soon!) so I went looking.
Wasn't about to pay AU$33 for the first paper ("Quantum BioEnergetics, Mental Boundaries, and Affective Response: A Randomized Placebo-controlled Pilot Study"), so I looked for close hits to that on Google Scholar, and found http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/full/jse_24_full.pdf#page=50
Note that on page 49 of that esteemed volume (and you get the whole damned thing if you clicky on the URL!), the paper starts. And it hurts. I almost had to employ PZ's method of screen-leaning to deal with the skimming I did.
*BUT!* I highly recommend that everyone check out "Note 1" on page 64. Really. You won't regret it.
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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February 27, 2011 9:34 AM
So that's the new euphemisum
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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February 27, 2011 9:36 AM
@desertfroglet
Well, just don't let it happen aga ... hey ... are you being ironic? So confused now.
TWIGG
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:36 AM
Are you certain that you have two and not one in a state of superposition?
It's important come paycheck time, you wouldn't want to bankrupt Cuttlefish U.
Posted by: MyOwnPath1
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February 27, 2011 9:38 AM
I just checked out the website and it uses the same graphics as hick's - check out the tree.
http://www.thesecret.tv/
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php
I guess no better way of making money than sticking with the tried and "true."
Posted by: Anubis Bloodsin the third
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February 27, 2011 9:39 AM
#26
#27
Done gone and did mine in also...I is 'Irony Detector' less on a wet Sunday Afternoon in Holland!
It is NOT a Pleasant Experience!
Posted by: Aliasalpha
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February 27, 2011 9:39 AM
I'm getting a headache from repressing the urge to scream in frustration, I think I need an attractive woman stand in the same room as me and wave their hands, any volunteers?
Posted by: movinbutnotshakin
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February 27, 2011 9:40 AM
I didn't heed the warning, watched anyways, and now I'm hungover from a debilitating case of woo. I wonder if Quantum Bioenergetics can help me.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:42 AM
Nope. Sorry, 45 seconds was my limit and then I felt the need to go out and find some of these readily available quantum frequencies. I think they come in a bottle marked "Becks" and it is well past lunchtime, so I have earned one by letting myself be suckered into going anywhere near that stupid little button.
Arghhhhhhh.
Posted by: heyjudi
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February 27, 2011 9:42 AM
I used to work in a hospital in Sitka, Alaska. I was a nurse's assistant with certification as a breastfeeding educator and coach as well as a birthing coach. They made me- yes, MADE ME- take a week long course in this crap! All I could think of was me trying to wave my hands over a mother's contracting belly and her screaming, "WTF is WRONG with you??? I want my epidural NOW!!!" LOL!
The only caveat to the "education" I received in this bunk was that there was a disclaimer which stated that even if this stuff doesn't work we must simply (IOW, at the very least) convince our patients that it works, a la the placebo effect. Sheesh.
Posted by: Circe
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February 27, 2011 9:46 AM
As an Indian, I apologize on behalf of the country for our act of exporting Deepak Chopra for the US, who, it seems, is the grand daddy of all the current quantum-* nonsense.
For what it is worth, the picture of the blackboard at the bottom of the Ms Hocking's page, perhaps aimed at given her version of quantum-* a mathematical image, seems to be taken out of a collaborative homework session of some Mathematical Statistics undergrads.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:46 AM
Mmmmm..... 5% Quantum.......
She actually looks nothing like the McKeith vulture, must have been a trick of the freeze frame that was the preview. I think she peddles the same type of shit (pardon me, but that's was McKeith fetish in the UK.)
Posted by: Defaithed
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February 27, 2011 9:50 AM
My oh my. On one hand, the video looks and sounds like complete nonsense. On the other hand, hmm... It uses that magic word "quantum", and has the support of several attractive people. I'm sold!
(Slightly jarring moment: The very attractive lady from about 2:45 is inexplicably followed by Teabag from "Prison Break".)
One point re the repetitive music in the video: Listen, and you can hear the bass line punctuated by an electronic warble on the second beat of every measure. Imagine that the warble is a voice exclaiming "woo-oo-oo!", and the whole production becomes a smidgen more entertaining.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:52 AM
Circe, you owe nobody an apology as far as I am concerned.
If that blackboard wasn't photo-shopped in and she doesn't think that the squiggles look pretty I will convert to the religion of Ing or Brownian's choice and promise to be for ever happy.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 9:55 AM
I blame it all on Startrek... the photon torpedos were coool, I mean, using a massless particle as a source of immense destruction was one thing because everyone knows that there was an atom bomb hiding in the pretty light.
Then they had to invent quantum torpedos to beat the Borg, they couldn't just leave well alone.
Sigh.
Posted by: desertfroglet
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February 27, 2011 10:00 AM
Circe, please don't apologise for Deepak Chopra or I'll feel I'll have to apologise for this daftness plus all the other daftness that Australia has unleashed on the world. And it's already quite a tally.
I think I've suffered enough by reading an interview with Ms Hocking and another woman who claimed to have been dead for 47 minutes and then healed her own damaged brain when she was resuscitated.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 10:01 AM
Well I need another quanta of refreshment...
I have just realised that "Quantum Leap" predates the Borg in both the Scot Bakula show and the Sinclair QL. Everyone always assumes that a quantum leap is something big, in general it is really rather tiny.
And now I have to go away because the 45 seconds of video that I experienced has seriously unhinged me and I need Quantum Counselling.
Curse you, PZ (pace Snoopy)
Posted by: blf
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February 27, 2011 10:01 AM
Go outside and look around. There are numerous irony metres exploding—hence lots of parts flying about—so it's probably raining the parts you need.
A bit of WD-40 and some Duck Tape, and you're all set.
Posted by: chassoto
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February 27, 2011 10:01 AM
I have entangled my money with yours on a quantum level, sending them soothing bubbly vibrations. It's way better than actually sending you any.
Posted by: shrGuy
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February 27, 2011 10:04 AM
Although I too have Double Degrees in Teh Science, I guess I'm more ignorant than I'd realized. I opted not to view the video (self-control is one of my few strong suits), but did look at Her website, and came away dumber than when I clicked. For example, what on Planet Earth is an Indigo child? How can I tell if I are one?
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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February 27, 2011 10:07 AM
Hey, thanks for the advice! You were right! Myself and the neighbour are now sharing an irony meter constructed from cannabilised components. It was actually pretty easy, the trickiest part was getting the Duck Tape to cover all the quacks.
TWIGG
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 10:11 AM
I just know that PZ is going to delete me from existence for pushing my commercial services on Pharyngula, however, I am willing to take the chance.
As luck would have it, I am an expert in holistic irony meter repair. I do indeed use quantum, sadly, you just wouldn't understand it's application unless you too had
boughtearned your degree from the reputable centre of learning that qualified me.For just.... oh..... no, I can't keep it up.
You will just have to go out and buy a new one and remember to buy a spare - you are a skeptic, they are going to explode.
Posted by: rather be fishing
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February 27, 2011 10:13 AM
Thanks for the warnings. I disabled my woo filter first but for safety I merely tuned down the BS filters. My brain is now full of nonsense. Now to do all that lab report marking. I am now immune to the students' interpretations of uniform accelerated motion and error analysis.
BTW: Is that a Ken Hamland type of accent? Oz has to start keeping its crazies at home.
Posted by: Rasmus
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February 27, 2011 10:14 AM
Pretty much any child with new-age jerks for parents.
Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM, CR
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February 27, 2011 10:14 AM
You can learn "facilitation"
Through our public presentation;
You don't need to be a doctor with a medical degree!
Pills or needles? We don't want 'em
What we're doing here is quantum—
You can learn to be an expert, if you've got the weekend free
We’re not scandalous or shady—
Why, just listen to this lady
Who was cured of emphysema in three-quarters of an hour
Sure, at first it rather shocked her
That I’m not a licensed doctor
But in under fifty minutes I’d convinced her of my power
Proper med school is so grueling,
But there’s no real need of schooling
If you follow my instructions, and the methods I have found
Raise your arms up to the ceiling,
Say “it’s time to start the healing”
And for roughly half an hour, simply wave your hands around.
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2011/02/ooooh-quantum.html
Posted by: iknklast
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February 27, 2011 10:14 AM
You don't want to know.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 10:21 AM
#59 Cuttlefish, a gem as always:
Pills or needles?We don't want 'em
What we're doing here is quantum
I think you should have a McGonegal to go with the OM.
Posted by: PatrickLambert
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February 27, 2011 10:22 AM
How is this not laughed away derisively out of town? How is this woman not constantly followed by throngs of angry people yelling at her to cure their AIDS or cancer if that's so easy and miraculous? Having recently lost a loved one to a fatal incurable disease(Idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis), I saw trained doctors and nurse do every possible thing they could to save a life. I was awed and humbled by the sheer dedication they put into saving someone they didn't know, they certainly weren't doing it for money either. And even though they eventually lost the fight, they gave it their best shot without ever making any outlandish claims. That woman/poodle hybrid is a shameful disgrace.
And her followers should stop for a moment and think about her absurd theory, and how in reality she doesn't put it into practice- because people DIE from these diseases when they aren't treated by doctors(and even then, it's not always a given, but they have better results than the quack).
Seriously...is this 2011? Or am I reading the year backwards?
Posted by: Sofa
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February 27, 2011 10:24 AM
"Notice that she doesn't just cure serious afflictions — she cures Serious Afflictions, which are far more serious than the lower case kind."
Haha! PZ.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 10:28 AM
To everyone with a broken irony meter
Remain calm, here are some simple steps you can take to keep yourself safe:
1) Do not answer the door, this is Sunday and there could be anyone out there.
2) Do not hand over money under any circumstances. If you find yourself in a bar, simply act bewildered and they will probably call an ambulance to get you home.
3) Ask yourself: what would jesus do?
Posted by: Q.E.D
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February 27, 2011 10:31 AM
she deserves to be hit by a bus and be made to "Quantum BioEnergetically" heal herself.
Posted by: colluvial
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February 27, 2011 10:34 AM
"Fiona, Head of Research" might be on to something here. She must have watched all the testimonials in the video and concluded that there's something or other going on. And because she's obviously not a scientist, she concluded that it must be outside of science. Otherwise, how would she know anything about it? I'll be watching the journals for her groundbreaking results!
Posted by: Grahame
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February 27, 2011 10:37 AM
#7 You must have signed it "Schroedinger".
Posted by: jbbridson
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February 27, 2011 10:38 AM
I really enjoyed that on her About QBE Page (http://www.quantumbioenergetics.com/about.html) she discusses the technique quite a bit, but doesn't actually tells us about it at the same time.
She should get into PR consulting.
philosophershaze.weebly.com
Posted by: brotheratombombofmoderation
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February 27, 2011 10:38 AM
Perhaps all we need to do is the same experiment that Emily Rosa did for her 4th grade science fair project that demonstrated the ineffectiveness of "therapeutic touch" methods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa
The other thing is the physicists need to find names for their work that are less likely to be misappropriated by woo peddlers:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1841#comic
Posted by: Grahame
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February 27, 2011 10:39 AM
"Comment Pending Approval! "
Funny that.
Posted by: MarkNS
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February 27, 2011 10:41 AM
She's moderating the comments on her video and, so far, there are zero posted. I guess she's not getting the gullible viewers she had hoped for. It must suck to have to censor EVERY comment made on your video.
I have a daughter with cerebral palsy and Hocking's claim to be able to cure it infuriates me. CP is a condition that presents uniquely in everyone who has it. Consequently, I've spent thousands of dollars over the years on medically proven devices and treatments that didn't work for her (but have for others). To think this scumbag would try and place an extra financial burden on vulnerable people when there is zero chance of it helping is beyond disgusting.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 10:42 AM
I now have to leave this thread because there is no topic I can sensibly stay on.. I have to say that the 5% Quantum is doing the job nicely in terms of expunging my 45 seconds of video. I am more than willing to risk a modicum of liver damage against the brain damage that Quantum BioenerWTF will inflict. I sincerely hope that no-one seriously relies on this... this... {expletive} to replace a properly qualified healthcare professional because they will die, and no-one deserves that.
Posted by: Paul Durrant
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February 27, 2011 10:42 AM
@ co #35
Thanks for finding the paper. Note 1 on p64 is funny.
I couldn't bring myself to read the whole paper, so I just read the abstract on page 49. Even that was hard going. The antepenultimate and penultimate sentences of the abstract were clear enough though:
"No significant multivariate effect was found for condition or Mental Boundaries with regard to post-test scores on Positive and Negative affect, after controlling for pre-test scores. Furthermore, a significant multivariate interaction between the aforementioned factors was not found."
In other words, the Quantum BioEnergetics had no effect.
Posted by: theophontes (θεός γαμώτο)
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February 27, 2011 10:45 AM
@э̀иэЯ #17
Well spotted! However it is actually just regular Mandarin: ("安" pronounced "aahn"), peace(ful) = a woman under a roof. In their particular case "house" ("家" pronounced "jia") would have been more appropriate.
I'll leave you to translate the punchline.
Heheheh. ;-)
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/kkTP2pI6qu.gKjUjVaUF9vu7FPO.KZ1o#68731
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February 27, 2011 10:46 AM
I'm curious about the paraplegic in the wheelchair. Is she still in it? This kind of thing breaks my heart because you know she wants desperately to walk again and she is looking to this purveyor of lies to help her. Presumably, medical science has not been able to heal her and since she isn't getting the answers she wants to hear she has fallen for this useless crap.
What really kills me about is are the people giving testimony who appear to be quite healthy themselves but look to this woo to heal some hidden, non-existent malady they have imagined. They are the sort that give liberals a bad name. They are the ones whom right wingers and conservatives point to as the example of liberalism. These crystal gazing morons are as much of an embarrassment to us as Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh should be to conservatives and need to be called out just as forcefully as we call out the charlatans such as Hocking, Chopra and Wakefield.
Posted by: cfmilner
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February 27, 2011 10:48 AM
I've just discovered that redbush tea and laptops are not the best of companions.
It really bakes my noodle how people can do this shit. She must know that it's the biggest pile of pudu to ever drop out of a bantha's arse and yet she happily charges sick people for her to perform a slow motion rave.
Posted by: Kieranfoy, Faerie Godfather of Death, GMKSC, OED
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February 27, 2011 10:53 AM
@theophantes: Ding, dong, the witch is DEAD!
Posted by: sqlrob
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February 27, 2011 10:56 AM
Forget Deepak, you need to work on your court system that said astrology was a science.
Posted by: rni.boh
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February 27, 2011 10:57 AM
Serious Afflictions are just serious afflictions with more capital. Which is how you get so rich treating them.Posted by: Wandermaske
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February 27, 2011 11:00 AM
I´m very confused...; there is a caption about sales continuing to grow exponentially. But the illustration in the background shows a more or less constant rise in sales. Maybe "exponentially" means something else than i thought it means. Who am i to doubt somebody with a double degree in science, having not a single one myself?
Posted by: PeteM
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February 27, 2011 11:05 AM
The authors of the paper assert that QBE has been taught to members of Medecin sans frontieres.
I hope not.
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/4Sbxdidln.gj_yIpnR9mQHE1qmE-#7d5ec
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February 27, 2011 11:05 AM
a double degree in Science, and is an Anatomical Physiologist.
In other words, she's lying and hiding her lack of education.
Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space, OM, A little FUCKING ray of sunshine
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February 27, 2011 11:12 AM
I think the Wiki has a pretty good treatment of the Indigo Devil Spawn of Satan phenomenon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children
Posted by: hznfrst
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February 27, 2011 11:18 AM
Damn, the words sounded like English but the sentences made no sense at all.
Posted by: э̀иэЯ
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February 27, 2011 11:21 AM
Yes, theophontes, I was exaggerating the 'ancient' bit -- but no doubt that's what the woo-meisters think of it (Chinese = old = wise= true).
And, yes, it's a pigsty.
Posted by: Dancaban
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February 27, 2011 11:24 AM
I've just drunk a large quantity of Quantum Beer ®. I'm in two minds if I'm pissed or not.
Posted by: theophontes (θεός γαμώτο)
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February 27, 2011 11:26 AM
@Kieranfoy, Faerie Godfather of Death, GMKSC, OED #77
Damn close! Now if you can show that she is spiritually, physically, morally and ethically,undeniably and reliably dead you win a Free QuantumMechanical BioEnergetic Dousing Rod in its own MetaPractical Display Case...
Ding,ding....let the games begin!
Posted by: thrawn369
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February 27, 2011 11:28 AM
Heh, I thought from the title you were going to talk about people taking so much colloidal silver they turn blue-grey/
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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February 27, 2011 11:38 AM
As coroner I must aver
I thoroughly examined her
And she's not only merely dead
She's really most sincerely dead.
Posted by: serendipitydawg
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February 27, 2011 11:38 AM
Still reading, even if I can't sensibly contribute, and #86 Dancban deserves a lifetime's supply of the beverage of choice for that one.
Nice.
I have tried commenting seriously on this topic but I just can't: it is bad enough that she would prey on those with physical problems but to include mental illness (inc depression) is a step too far and it makes me have to delete my post without even previewing it because I just don't speak like that (unless some half witted harpy.... you see, what happens? and it just degenerates from that point.
I shall continue to lurk for the jokes because that is what this topic deserves, ridicule. The sooner someone actually calls this cow out the better.
Oh sod it, there I go again. Well I am not deleting it this time.
Posted by: frankenstein monster
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February 27, 2011 11:38 AM
sounds familiar to me
Posted by: nwrickert
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February 27, 2011 11:43 AM
I have done that on occasion. I think they call it "nodding off." I haven't tried that part, though. I don't think it work work as a way of dealing with lack of sleep.Posted by: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawmd0JQT5RGH9tw98hgR4Au80-RC1x_9wWY
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February 27, 2011 11:43 AM
Fireweaver sending:
The only thing that goddamn website is good for is crashing my computer. Twice. I guess it couldn't handle all the "quantum woo-gits" she's embedded in her website. :D
Posted by: Kieranfoy, Faerie Godfather of Death, GMKSC, OED
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February 27, 2011 11:50 AM
@Theophantes: For every kind of dead save physical, I offer as certain proof the video in question.
For her physical death, I can only off the fact that I have hired certain gentleman (and ladies, of course, despite the name) of the Dark Brotherhood to... ah, treat her present vital condition with a homeopathic overdose.
Posted by: jafafahots
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February 27, 2011 11:51 AM
I'm safe from this shit because I ALWAYS leave my bullshit detectors running.
On the other hand, I never get laid. There may be a connection.
Posted by: ss123
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February 27, 2011 11:54 AM
Click on the 'About QBI' tab on the website and scroll down to the bottom.
Notice the women writing all of the fancy equations on the chalkboard. This shit _must_ work if all that math is involved.
Posted by: peaceman
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February 27, 2011 11:57 AM
Did anyone see the look on that baby's face at about 4 minutes into the video?!
Now, the big question: why do all these 'woo'-type treatments all exclude dentistry? E.g. quantum vibration dentistry or whatever. I know why: no matter how long the dentist waves his arms around the patients head - that caries aint going anywhere!
A suitable test would be to have 2 sets of patients with dental cavities: one set get some anaesthetic and 2 minutes with a drill, those in the second set each get 1000 hours of hand-wafting. Caries would be measured at the end and... well actually the whole thing is a pointless waste of time and a foregone conclusion.
ps. Hi PZ and everyone who reads Pharyngula.
Posted by: theophontes (θεός γαμώτο)
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February 27, 2011 12:01 PM
@э̀иэЯ#85
Yes, it is a mistake many people make with regard to "Traditional Chinese Medicine". I once let myself be talked into going to a TCM "hospital" for treatment of tennis elbow. (The beginning and end of my golf career.) I was also curious to take part in the authentic chinese experience. The TCM "hospital" is huge, one of two in the otherwise very modern city of Shenzhen. It appears to enjoy equal status to conventional hospitals. (Pharyngulites recoil in horror.)
They where very gung ho and shoved long needles into my sore arm. Then connected these to electrodes and proceded to shock the shit out of me. It was so incredibly fucking painful that I immediately confessed to a whole litany of crimes I hadn't even committed! Authentic experience my arse. Old and wise...well I am permanently cured of that misconception. The cure did absolutely nothing other than totally transform my understanding of the meaning of pain. I never went back, and just let nature take its course...the problem eventually resolved itself.
Posted by: john55121
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February 27, 2011 12:16 PM
Of course she had the usual disclaimer:
Melissa Hocking makes no claims, promises or guarantees. Neither Melissa nor anyone associated with her work, inclusive of but not limited to healing sessions facilitated through melissa hocking healing, or Quantum BioEnergetics International are diagnosing or treating any specific health issue. All participants are solely responsible for seeing to and continuing with their own medical treatments and care, and are responsible for their own conduct, care and wellbeing throughout the program.
She has such faith in her own healing methods. So she probably doesn't want to try for Randy's $1,000,000 prize.
Posted by: otrame
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February 27, 2011 12:19 PM
You know, over the years, I have found irony meters to be an undependable crutch. They always fail just when you need them the most. You should do what I do and just take the irony head on. It's better that way.
Wibble.........
Posted by: frisbeetarian
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February 27, 2011 12:27 PM
She says in the video, 'I haven't found anything it won't heal'. Well, you moron, there is a women lying on your table who can't walk!
In that 'study' they state that the placebo controls may not work because the patient may telepathically learn that they are receiving a placebo treatment.
Posted by: blf
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February 27, 2011 12:29 PM
Sounds rather dependable to me. If you need it, it doesn't work. Reliable.
Posted by: э̀иэЯ
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February 27, 2011 12:29 PM
@98, Theophontes: Have to go. I'll be back tomorrow, tho'. (Half six here, or half zeven as we Low-Country men call it.) Does PZ have a corner somewhere, where one can exchange e-mail addresses?
Posted by: theophontes (θεός γαμώτο)
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February 27, 2011 12:30 PM
@ Tis & Kieranfoy
Well I can't really decide who deserves the prize, so I'll just let you download your prizes yourselves.
Instructions (WindowsTM only **) :
1. Insert narrow end of nearest available cleft stick ("the device") into your computer's USB port.
2. WindowsTM should automatically detect your plug and play device. If your device does not appear, contact your Systems Administrator.
3. Agree to EULA contract.
4. Double click on "Quantum WOO" button.
5. Woo will download automatically. This may take time. Do not remove device.
6. On completion, device should glow very slightly (squint, look mindfully!) If download does not complete within two weeks, repeat the above steps carefully.
7. After download, click "eject". Your device is now ready for use.
** Not available for Linux users. (For obvious reasons.)
Posted by: cdgwyn
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February 27, 2011 12:37 PM
"Many clients, adolescent, adult and child, have reported healings from Cancers, Mental illnesses, Depression, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Physical injuries, a variety of Disabilities including Cerebral Palsy, ASD (Autism), and many other Serious Afflictions."
Suppose that statement was actually, reliably, in a clinical setting, and attested to by James Randi, true. Think of how much money she could earn if she really could do what she says she can do. In addition to being able to make significant money as a paid research subject in clinical trials she would be able to underbid the cost of care for all of the conditions listed above - with nearly all of her fee being pure profit.
If her mission is to reach as many people as possible, and the money doesn't really motivate her (a slightly more plausible speculation than supposing she could actually heal people), she could still reach more people by participating in scientific studies. If she could actually reliably consistently deliver real actual genuine cures researchers would be gleefully providing her with as many people to heal as she had time and energy for.
Her operation is simply too small and tangential for it to be based on a genuine ability to cure people.
Posted by: theophontes (θεός γαμώτο)
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February 27, 2011 12:40 PM
@э̀иэЯ
I actually don't know. You'll have to ask around the threads I guess.
Je zou ook gewoon in het Nederlands kunnen schrijven... B-)
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/rmTtrfAMp.wJOKajTCnmgHw7HOE-#e9f78
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February 27, 2011 12:44 PM
Wow .. went to 'Store' on their website.
They ALMOST got it right!
"Welcome to the Shop! Woohoo!"
That should be WooWoo ..
Posted by: Dick the Damned
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February 27, 2011 12:47 PM
Frank Furedi, quoting John Stuart Mill, attacks rationalists over the recent assault on woo led by John Beddington, Britain’s chief scientific adviser. He says, “Only intellectual cowards demand ‘gross intolerance’. The modern men of science who want to silence quacks are ironically on the same side as pre-Enlightenment religious dogmatists.” You can read his diatribe of idiocy here:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10217/
What a bozo. JSM was a 19th C philosopher; it is now the 21st C, & the world, & science, have moved on. That, alone, invalidates Furedi's thesis.
Posted by: coughlanbrianm
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February 27, 2011 12:54 PM
@Dick the Damned
Actually Walton was making a very similar case recently. At least I think he was and there is a case to answer here; the only way to tell bad ideas from good ones is to let the discussion be had. This is JSM primary point and it's a good one.
However, at some point the discussion is over, the jury is in and we have to begin to legislate against dangerous products or, as in this case, pseudo-products; otherwise we just end up on an endless woo-whack-a-mole safari.
Finding out when the discussion is over and then what to do about it is the hard part.
TWIGG
Posted by: Hurin, Nattering Nabob of Negativism.
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February 27, 2011 12:59 PM
I think all new agers caught saying something spurious or stupid about "quantum blankety blank" should be immediately arrested and taken to the nearest university, where they will be forced to sit through physical chemistry lectures for one full semester (or until their brain hemorrhages rainbow colored fairy dust).
Posted by: Alex, adv. diab.
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February 27, 2011 1:01 PM
So I thought, hey, you're a quasi professional Quantum guy, let's have a shot at the theory in the paper where they start to make any grave mistakes. Ok, I was being naive, there is of course nothing like a reference to any coherent theory in it. Anyhow, I liked the penultimate reference:
Woodside L, Kumar V, Pekala R (1997) Monotonous
percussion drumming and trance postures:
A controlled evaluation of phenomenological effects. Anthropology of Consciousness
8:69–87.
Posted by: Hurin, Nattering Nabob of Negativism.
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February 27, 2011 1:04 PM
PZ:
Gee Whiz, that's a degree so high that I haven't even heard of it before.
I wonder what the acronym is... D.D.S. maybe?
Posted by: lykex
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February 27, 2011 1:30 PM
I tried googling "Anatomical Physiologist" and the pages that came up were all referring either to Melissa Hocking or some guy named Pete Egoscue.
I tried finding some info on him. He seems to be popular among the woo-crowd (people who recommend him also recommend a lot of bullshit), but I'm not sure how wooish his own stuff really is. It seems to be something about posture and movement, which might have something to it, but it depends heavily on what claims he makes.
On that point he seems to be very careful. A quick read of his website has left me with no clear idea of what his method will actually do, other than vague statements.
For example, it says:
This implies that his method will help with such problems, but he never directly claims that any particular symptom can be cured with his method.
To me, the fact that he's being so vague speaks against him.
I'm wondering if any of you know this guy?
Posted by: heyjudi
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February 27, 2011 1:31 PM
That's it, I'm grabbing a beer and watching the only thing that will soothe me at this point (which describes the level of damage done to my brain by watching that WOO): Quantum of Solace.
Bwahahahhahaaaaa!
Posted by: Kevin
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February 27, 2011 1:34 PM
@113...sounds like chiropractic claims.
I too got "comment moderated" on her video.
The comment that is in moderation was: Pseudoscientific scam artist.
Posted by: Alex, adv. diab.
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February 27, 2011 1:42 PM
Ok I also dropped a comment that is designed to be innocuous enough to get through... let's see.
Posted by: The Great Juju up the Mountain
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February 27, 2011 1:54 PM
Funny, but I can't seem to find either of here two alleged master theses. Has anyone else had more luck?
Posted by: Stardrake
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February 27, 2011 1:56 PM
Hurin @ 112:
Now that's not fair. Dentists can actually provide real and necessary health care, unlike Queen Woo I here. Don't be stealin' their initials!
Posted by: A Bad Idea (♀)
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February 27, 2011 2:04 PM
I highly resent this woman being named Melissa.
RE: Indigo children, the description of their personality matches me very well, but I have yet to manifest any testable psychic powers.
Posted by: Hurin, Nattering Nabob of Negativism.
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February 27, 2011 2:09 PM
I agree. My lame attempt at humor was not aimed at conflating dentistry with quantum placebeology. Dentists are real healthcare providers.
Posted by: realinterrobang
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February 27, 2011 2:59 PM
As someone who has cerebral palsy, cerebral palsy quacks really annoy me. Not least because these idiots' approach always begs the question: if there were actually some way of curing this damnable condition, don't you think I would have done it by now?
Posted by: truthspeaker
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February 27, 2011 3:25 PM
Because it's uncivil to cricize someone's sincerely held beliefs™.
Posted by: Urban Witch
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February 27, 2011 3:55 PM
peaceman@#97
On the subject of dental caries, in a book on Dr William Hay's Food Combining Diet, among the anecdotes was the story of a young man with dreadful caries in all his teeth. He was put on the Hay Diet and behold - all the caries filled up with new dentine and his teeth became perfect. I looked at this and thought "Hold on - this was early 20th century (I think Dr Hay came up with the idea in about 1911) the first dentist he visited would have yanked the lot immediately. I may be wrong, but this was a very unconvincing anecdote to me. You are right; there's no way to fake it in dentistry.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler
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February 27, 2011 4:41 PM
You're all just jealous that you're unable to facilitate the axial initiation like Melissa Hocking is.
BTW, co @35: I thought note 2 was even better:
Posted by: Alex, adv. diab.
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February 27, 2011 4:55 PM
@#124
Shorter Rock/Permezel:
Posted by: TimKO,,.,,
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February 27, 2011 5:02 PM
PZ, I happened to be online while you were posting. I sent a special chi containing a quantum Flux for your health benefits. It's you who owe me $.
Posted by: Pareidolius
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February 27, 2011 5:08 PM
Will The Secret people sue her for stealing their logo? Would that there were an afterlife so she'd be punished for her credulous, delusional, charlatanism . . . and her gratuitous use of Papyrus.
Posted by: graham martin-royle
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February 27, 2011 5:11 PM
The stupid, it HURTS!
How do people believe this bullshit, it's far far worse than religion.
Posted by: gillyc
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February 27, 2011 5:14 PM
#124: Intention, it's fucking magic!
Posted by: gillyc
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February 27, 2011 5:17 PM
Sorry, that wasn't remotely relevant to the thread, I just wanted an excuse to post that link.
Posted by: Alex, adv. diab.
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February 27, 2011 5:18 PM
@Pareidolius
Technically, if she has a positive attitude and believes in not being sued by them, it won't happen.
Posted by: kev_s
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February 27, 2011 5:24 PM
Maybe her double degree in science was a misinterpretation of "BSc 2(ii)".
Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space, OM, A little FUCKING ray of sunshine
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February 27, 2011 5:29 PM
Dickthedamned,
Spike seems to be a bastion of leftie nutjobs--climate denialists, woo-meisters and other idiots. Again, how do these people even take themselves seriously.
Posted by: Marco
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February 27, 2011 6:07 PM
Amazing to see how many people so badly want their "positive thoughts" to be real regardless of whether or not any factual truth whatsoever supports them.
It must be those few (and precious) reality-based people still among us are doing a hell of a job keeping these jackasses in check. How else to explain that we haven't blown ourselves up -- yet -- when this sort of clinically delusional thinking keeps spreading like wildfire, all the more so in distressed times like the present ones?
Posted by: Andromeda
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February 27, 2011 6:30 PM
Sounds a bit like that Reiki stuff, except for the name I suppose, which sounds technical and scientific with many syllables: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pxDNdoCFas
And wtf is a degree in "Science".
Posted by: Cosmic Snark
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February 27, 2011 6:52 PM
I have a pair of old Soviet-era Kalishnikov irony meters. Not only are they cast-iron tough, I have them wired in parallel for extra fundiespeak absorption. They have yet to explode, and they work well in cold weather.
Posted by: Alex, adv. diab.
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February 27, 2011 6:56 PM
@Cosmic Snark
Ahh, the good old ирониямат Калашникова.
They were the best.
Posted by: Cosmic Snark
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February 27, 2011 7:18 PM
@AlexTheNeutral
В самом деле они были, товарищ! Теперь мы пьем водку!
Posted by: Militant Agnostic
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February 27, 2011 7:19 PM
ARIDS @133
Looking at the climate change stuff on Spiked, it looks the left wing equivalent of the tea party. Of course, that would be chamomile tea since proper tea is theft.*
I had wondered if there were any left wing AGW denialists. They seem to be knee jerk PoMo anti-elitists (elites appear to be defined as anyone who has a clue).
*Pun stolen from Jon Ronson
Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM
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February 27, 2011 7:37 PM
Andromeda #135
It's half of a double degree in Science.
Posted by: cm's changeable moniker
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February 27, 2011 7:39 PM
Personally, I think it's static electricity from her squiggly fringe. (Mee-aoow.)
On an unrelated note, did anyone else notice that the soundtrack seemed to feature Bill Bailey playing the Theremin?
Posted by: Alex, adv. diab.
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February 27, 2011 7:42 PM
@Cosmic Snark
Водка помогает нести ирония жизни. Для всего
остального есть ирония метр.
enough! good night ;)
Posted by: cm's changeable moniker
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February 27, 2011 7:45 PM
As did her "healing" of course, which is why I made the connection (but failed to mention it). Pesky водку. (Google Translate is fun!)
Posted by: Joe Bloe
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February 27, 2011 8:30 PM
From her website - Coming Events
Posted by: dickbeer
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February 27, 2011 8:49 PM
Two or three doctors seemed to be unable to even ease the pains my mother was feeling, mainly when standing up and walking. Being a very skeptical woman, she would not have thought of visiting Melissa. But she accepted the suggestion of a distant relative, known for his "secret" powers. The man asked her to just lie down and relax. He passed his hands over her whole body, then invited her to get up and turn her bed 90 degrees (horizontally!) before going to sleep.
I share my mother's distrust of applying bio- or whatever other forms of energy to the cure of diseases, and just want to stress the result of that 10-minutes' session: the aches were over, and didn't trouble her again in the twenty-X years following that night, until she died.
Have a nice day!
Posted by: Koshka
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February 27, 2011 10:03 PM
Dickbeer has convinced me.
Posted by: TotalRetard
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February 27, 2011 10:31 PM
I don't have to have my prayer cloth draped over my radio for your healing powers to take effect?
Posted by: wizzfizz
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February 27, 2011 10:42 PM
Our tertiary education system is a bit different to the US and even UK. In Australia you can do "double degrees". Basically it means you graduate with two undergraduate degrees but in a lot less time than it would take to do them sequentially. Eg BA/BSc, BA/LLB, BEngBSc.
Posted by: Baktru
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February 27, 2011 11:56 PM
I did that and I STILL have a hangover. Can I have my money back?
Posted by: theophontes (θεός γαμώτο)
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February 28, 2011 12:32 AM
@shrGuy #54
For example, what on Planet Earth is an Indigo child? How can I tell if I are one?
Melissa Hocking is an Indigo girl. But Indigo Girls has teh gey. Therefore Melissa Hocking is awesome: can bring on the earthquake (with hur quanta rayz & teh boobs), bacon, cookies & booze, chocolate and definitely no peas. We may have to welcome her to the party after all.
Posted by: Peter Ager
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February 28, 2011 2:05 AM
As a rational Australian, I feel a deep sense of embarrassment that we have once again unleashed another in our long lines of weapons of mass delusion (Ken Ham et.al.).
Posted by: gorunnova
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February 28, 2011 6:20 AM
I have never seen a finer example of what I like to call 'duck medicine'... because the quacking is so loud, it should attract ducks from MILES around. XD
Note: 'duck medicine' should not be mistaken for 'medical treatment of ducks'.
Posted by: greg1466
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February 28, 2011 6:57 AM
Threw the headphones off just in time to keep my brain from exploding.
Posted by: KG
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February 28, 2011 8:20 AM
dickbeer,
Why on earth would anyone believe your completely unsupported anecdote, or take it as evidence of anything even if they did?
You do realise the second sentence here completely contradicts the first?
Posted by: shonny
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February 28, 2011 9:42 AM
Sure she hasn't just mixed it up a bit, and she really means QBS?
After all, this quantum stuff is neither here nor there, or both.
Posted by: peaceman
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February 28, 2011 2:25 PM
@ Urban Witch #123
Yes, that thing about the 'Hay Diet' producing dentine growth sounds like a load of Hooey!
Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/jhvMX.kzsYbqb2fRKVdexQuA4J5IvJPaDBlgcA--#b20b6
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February 28, 2011 7:09 PM
"There is always healing, it might not be what you anticipate..."
Actual results may vary?
Posted by: dickbeer
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February 28, 2011 8:17 PM
#154: You are right, KG, there is a contradiction. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough that I wrote it on purpose: if my mother were a believer in this kind of healing, she would have considered the outcome as normal evidence for a miracle. I told this anecdote precisely because of her scepticism.
It was not my intention to convince anybody. Nevertheless, glad to read that Koshka (#146) agrees - thank you!
Posted by: dickbeer
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February 28, 2011 8:23 PM
#154: You are right, KG, there is a contradiction. Sorry I didn make it clear enough that I wrote it on purpose: if my mother were a believer in this kind of healing, she would have considered the outcome as normal evidence for a miracle. I told this anecdote precisely because of her scepticism.
Maybe I should have added that she would not .....take the initiative to..... visit Melissa?
It was not my intention to convince anybody. Nevertheless, glad to read that Koshka (#146) agrees.
Posted by: Falyne, FCD
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February 28, 2011 9:50 PM
@Dickbeer
Preeeeeetty sure Koshka was sarcastic (unless they're a really, really clumsy sock). Also, I'm inclined to call woo-Poe, here, just on the basis of your username...
Posted by: The Dawktor
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March 1, 2011 12:47 PM
I usually prefer a little cleavage when the pretty lady waves her hands over my supine form!
Posted by: JBlilie
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March 1, 2011 4:00 PM
Snake oil; but without the ALCOHOL!
What a flippin' rip-off!
Posted by: dickbeer
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March 1, 2011 9:03 PM
Falyne, FCD wrote:
...Also, I'm inclined to call woo-Poe, here, just on the basis of your username...
Judging someone on the basis of his username. What a splendid, profound thought! So, serious blogs do not attract serious readers only. Good for you. In the future, I will prefer to write to PZ directly, rather than waste my time reading such comments.-
Posted by: «bønez_brigade»
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March 1, 2011 11:37 PM
Papyrus + Rage Italic keeps the "research" moving forward, too...
Posted by: dzzzz
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December 2, 2011 9:49 AM
outrageous bunkum and the way it's taking advantage of gullible, sick people. Absolutely pathetic
Posted by: keylogger
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February 22, 2012 1:47 AM
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