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Who’s conscious?

A recent meeting of neuroscientists tried to define a set of criteria for that murky phenomenon called “consciousness”. I don’t know how successful they were; they’ve come out with a declaration on consciousness that isn’t exactly crystal clear. It seems to involve the existence of neural circuitry that exhibits specific states that modulate behavior.

The neural substrates of emotions do not appear to be confined to cortical structures. In fact, subcortical neural networks aroused during affective states in humans are also critically important for generating emotional behaviors in animals. Artificial arousal of the same brain regions generates corresponding behavior and feeling states in both humans and non-human animals. Wherever in the brain one evokes instinctual emotional behaviors in non-human animals, many of the ensuing behaviors are consistent with experienced feeling states, including those internal states that are rewarding and punishing. Deep brain stimulation of these systems in humans can also generate similar affective states. Systems associated with affect are concentrated in subcortical regions where neural homologies abound. Young human and non- human animals without neocortices retain these brain-mind functions. Furthermore, neural circuits supporting behavioral/electrophysiological states of attentiveness, sleep and decision making appear to have arisen in evolution as early as the invertebrate radiation, being evident in insects and cephalopod mollusks (e.g., octopus).

This is where they’re losing me. So, basically, they’re saying that aspects of consciousness are about 600 million years old? There is a bit of a slip in the text; some states and circuitry are present in insects, but then it goes on to declare certain subsets of animals to be conscious, which do not include insects. So what do insects lack that makes them not conscious? Or are they?

They seem to have reached an agreement that a mammalian neocortex is not necessary for consciousness, which seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t suffice to say what anatomical substrate is required for consciousness. It is basically a declaration that narrow, mammal-centric views of how the brain works are not adequate, and that opens the doors to considering the possibility of consciousness in non-mammalian organisms, but I’m still not clear on exactly how we’re going to measure consciousness.

Anyway, here’s their conclusion.

We declare the following: “The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism from experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Non- human animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also possess these neurological substrates.”

Wait, I missed something again. What are the “neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states”? They don’t say. What are the anatomical substrates that are present in humans and not cows or mice? (Hint: I don’t think there are any qualitative differences). So this document has just declared that cows are conscious? Please tell McDonald’s.

It’s nice that the octopus gets singled out as a conscious creature, but under these definitions, it seems to me that every animal with a nervous system above a nerve net (wait…is there reason to exclude those?) is conscious. Vegans will be happy to embrace this statement, but I’m left unsatisfied by the lack of concrete explanations.

Also, here is an interesting summary of evidence for sophisticated intentional behaviors in octopus. Notice that intent and mental states are inferred from observations of behavior, not by slicing open a few ganglia and noting the existence of consciousness circuitry.

The octopus is the only invertebrate to get a shout-out at all. And plenty of research has been accumulated to back up this assertion. A 2009 study showed that some octopuses collect coconut shells to use as portable shelters—an example of tool use, according to the researchers. Other research has documented sophisticated spatial navigation and memory. Anecdotal reports from researchers, such as Jennifer Mather, describe watching octopuses in the wild make errands to collect just the right number of rocks to narrow the opening to a desired den. And laboratory experiments show a distinct change in behavior when octopuses are kept in tanks that do not have enough enrichment objects to keep them stimulated.

Shorter Cambridge declaration: animals other than humans look like they might be conscious, so let’s admit that neural circuits other than those in the mammalian neocortex are involved. And that’s all.

Comments

  1. #1 Andre Alessi
    New Zealand
    August 22, 2012

    Trying to use an all-or-nothing threshold for “consciousness” as a singular quality, instead of treating it as a collection of different results of certain kinds of physical process, seems to me to be the root cause if the problem here.

  2. #2 Dario Ringach
    August 23, 2012

    I do not believe the authors intended to imply consciousness is and all-or-nothing process, but that’s certainly how the press is reporting it… but there are other issues with this “declaration” as pointed out by PZ and here:

    http://speakingofresearch.com/2012/08/23/consciousness-and-moral-status/

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  4. #4 Peter Kinnon
    Papakura, New Zealand
    August 23, 2012

    There is really now no mystery about consciousness whatsoever.

    The mystical notions that have arisen in the past ( and often still do!) are purely illusory, an inevitable result of approaching the question by introspection. This, of course, was the only option available to earlier philosophers and many still have trouble escaping from that trap with its inevitable recursive loops.

    Today, although the details of nervous system function of ourselves or other animals is very far from complete, we have sufficient information to have a rough idea of the gross workings of these systems.

    From evolutionary considerations we can also now see how the essentially navigational function we like to call “consciousness”, “self-awareness” “sense of agency” and so forth is bound to arise.

    Furthermore, from another discipline, we now have an excellent understanding of functionally analogous computational systems.

    With these new tools at our disposal we can now view the phenomenon in a truly objective way. And then the hocus-pocus surrounding this issue vanishes!

    This topic is part of the broad evolutionary model very informal outlined in “The Goldilocks Effect: What Has Serendipity Ever Done For Us?” (free download in e-book formats from the “Unusual Perspectives” website)

  5. #5 Daniel
    August 24, 2012

    @ Peter Kinnon:
    What is it in you that is amazed that mystical notions “often still do!” arise in people? Is it consciousness? But, then, what is the navigational utility of your being able to be amazed at the apparent ridiculousness of another’s notions? Hmm…maybe consciousness is much more complex than you would have us believe.

  6. #6 Dyz
    August 24, 2012

    @Daniel

    “Hmm…maybe consciousness is much more complex than you would have us believe.”

    No, it really is not that complicated … I recommend “Godel, Escher, Bach” and “I am a strange loop” by Hofstadter and “Consciousness explained” by Dennet to keep you from displaying your “result of approaching the question by introspection” (as Peter Kinnon put it!).

  7. #7 Don Druid
    August 25, 2012

    @Dyz

    Neither of those books purports to provide a comprehensive physical definition of consciousness, pace Dennett’s characteristically bombastic title. Don’t make false claims about people and their work; it’s not nice.

    @Peter Kinnon

    You provide no explanation of what you mean, just a claim that the solution to all of the problems examined above has magically appeared in a free e-book (free of peer review as well, I’d assume).

    No one will believe you unless you explain what you mean. I certainly do not believe you.

  8. #8 Don Druid
    August 25, 2012

    @Peter Kinnon

    Reviewing your 106 page ebook, it seems largely based on the erroneous conflation of universal constants and physical environment with biological evolution, a common enough error among the New Age set.

    Nowhere does it contain anything approaching an explanation of consciousness on a physical level.

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  10. #10 Jenn
    United States
    August 26, 2012

    Insects: Interact with a dragonfly for a while and see what you come away with. Or a praying mantis. While all of the behaviors can certainly be defined with ‘if/then’ statements of instinct, there is something… something… that seems present.

    Disclosure: I’m not a scientist. I do like to observe the natural world, and watch the natural world observe me.

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  12. #12 Dyz
    September 5, 2012

    @Don Druid

    ” Don’t make false claims about people and their work; it’s not nice.”

    Don’t make false claims about peoples posts, it’s not nice. What is “a strange loop” if not a “comprehensive physical definition of consciousness”? This may leave you with questions but that’s what the books are for.

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