Taking of the Scientist Hat for a Little Chat on Iraq

I am taking off my scientist hat and putting on my citizen hat. (For explanations of these two hats, read my previous post.)

The defining issue for me and most people in the coming election is the war on Iraq.

I can tell you that at the beginning I was a supporter of US intervention in Iraq at least conditionally. I thought that our cause was relatively just and that the case for WMD was relatively strong. It turns out that case was not nearly as strong as I believed and the cause was significantly grayer.

In this regard, I feel part of a peer group that has had a similar arc of changing beliefs. A friend of mine, whose opinion I value deeply -- even if we may not always agree -- has written a part-apologia and part-recommendation on Iraq. It is posted on the first blog I ever participated in (tear), so I thought I would link to it. Money quote:

I was rebuked earlier last week by a man whose intelligence, honor and honesty I respect more than anyone I've ever met. He reminded me that four years ago, when I was expressing support for President Bush's planned invasion of Iraq, that he had cautioned me and had predicted most of what has now gone wrong in Iraq. He said then, and repeated now, that the sectarian violence was easy to predict. All one had to do was read Seven Pillars of Wisdom by TE Lawrence to predict that loyalty to the different tribal factions in Iraq would supercede any nationalism that the Iraqi people felt and that civil war would break out between the Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds (I ordered a copy from Amazon last week). Even now, he warned, the Kurds are likely arming themselves for when they enter the sectarian fighting.

He was right then, and he's right now. All you have to do is go into this site's archives to see how wrong I was. I would like to rely on the excuse that we all thought Saddam had WMD, but I can't. You often hear Republicans frustratingly exclaim that all of Iraq's behavior pointed toward having them, and that even Bill Clinton thought Saddam had WMD. Maybe we were right about the WMD; maybe he did have them. But at this point, does it matter? Unless it's the best-kept secret in the world, we did not recover them. We may have uncovered some facilities and a few old chemical capable artillery shells, but there have been no massive stockpiles that were ready to deploy like we'd been led to believe. At best, our intelligence capabilities are so weak that Saddam was able to trick us into believing that he had the weapons. At worst, our military response was so weak that he was able to do what we were trying to prevent, and give the weapons to other unfriendly regimes and terrorist groups before we could stop him.

For my part, when I was five years younger I was much more optimistic and strident in my belief that the US is a force for good in the world. As a consequence, I was much more willing to give politicians of either party a free hand, believing as I did that they were generally well intentioned if not always perfectly competent. Likewise, I believed the world to be ultimately comprehensible and changeable for the better.

Since I have been struck more and more with the Burkean nature of the world. It is composed of only sometimes stable polities with confusing and countervailing tendencies. To hold the belief that we can meddle in these societies and create utopias by fiat is the worst kind of folly. This view of the world as fundamentally complex parallels the scientific world that is filled with assertions that can only be conditionally verified through vigorous experiment and analysis. Any experiments I perform may indeed illuminate some particularly subtle aspect of the human organism, but they only scratch the surface of what is a deeply complicated and perhaps incomprehensible system. Partly the war in Iraq and partly the analogy with science have taught me to have much more humility in my beliefs and to have much more limited expectations for the good government can provide.

In the recent burst of partisanship surrounding election time, we sometimes forget that we all have arcs in our beliefs -- that we grow and mature over time. I may not agree still with points my friend has to say. LIkewise I may disagree with points brought up by the war's staunchest detractors. But I would like to think that this whole business has made us all grow at least a little.

Ambrose Bierce quipped that "war is God's way of teaching Americans geography." I would also argue that if we learn anything it should teach us humility.

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I thought that our cause was relatively just and that the case for WMD was relatively strong.

What case? No case was ever presented - not to the public, and not to our elected officials, although we didn't know that at the time. There was just a lot of handwaving and claims of terrible danger.

The good news is that you're not relatively gullible, as most of the American populace fell for the same line you did. (It also can't cope with the metric system. I hope you feel proud.)

By Caledonian (not verified) on 01 Nov 2006 #permalink

I have to confess to being taken in by the same campaign (although I never believed there was any Al Qaeda/Saddam connection). I assumed that there was at least some level of integrity in our leaders, that they wouldn't go off on a military venture without a good reason.
Unfortunately they did. I don't beleive they ever though there was any serious WMD problem, they had long wanted to do the invasion, and cynically prepared the American people- and congress for the policy.
Here are a couple of references that should clarify these points:
Paul Pillar's Foreign Affairs article:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85202/paul-r-pillar/intell…

The use of the Rendon Group in making the case for war:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8798997/the_man_who_sold_the…

and the Project for a New American Century (likely the prime motivator):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_a_New_American_Century

So its very hard for many of us to now beleive that bad intelligence was involved, but was rather a true criminal conspiracy.

Didn't you listen to Powell's speech to the UN? If that was supposed to have been the best evidence for Iraq having WMD:s then it was clear that the US case was weak indeed.

By Thomas Palm (not verified) on 01 Nov 2006 #permalink

The sad thing is that so many Americans believe with your previous self that the US is a force for good in the world. Americans have done many good things, and we often respond generously to catastrophic and ongoing events in other parts of the world. Many of our ideals are good and worthy. We are heirs to a clunky but basically admirable political system. But many Americans are half blind. if you look with an disinterested eye at our actions over the last half century, there is also a lot not to be proud of. After WW II we encouraged the other colonial nations not to try to reestablish their colonies in places like SE Asia, and yet we intervened there to try to stifle a civil war aimed at eliminating colonial influence. We toppled governments here and there to advance our perceived national interests. We supported dictators. And now in our hubris we claim to try to advance democracy across the world. But I wonder what our present government would have said about an election in another country that resulted in a candidate's winning with fewer votes than another candidate.

The best thing Americans can do is mind their own damn business and try to make this country one to be proud of.

Mark, "After WW II we encouraged the other colonial nations not to try to reestablish their colonies in places like SE Asia". You did? Then why did you support the French recolonization of Vietnam? This was long before there was any "civil war", the vietnamese had been your allies during WW II and Ho Chi Minh admired USA and really wanted to cooperate with it.

By Thomas Palm (not verified) on 02 Nov 2006 #permalink

Thomas, immediately after WWII the US did discourage the European colonial powers from trying to reestablish themselves. Unfortunately, the US did not follow its own lead in Vietnam. I thought I said that. The US intervened (I was only a child, so I really had nothing to do with it personally) because the US identified the forces of independence in Vietnam as communist and used Vietnam as a proxy battlefield in the Cold War. History has shown the wisdom of that, since we lost about 50,000 dead, and countless Vietnamese from north and south died. And now Vietnam is unified and the US has established relations with it. Too bad we didn't do that before all the death and destruction.

Experience must not be a very good teacher.

Experience is a wonderful teacher. Some people simply cannot learn, that's all.

By Caledonian (not verified) on 03 Nov 2006 #permalink