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1. #1 Boosterz

   May 15, 2007

   Sensible diet and exercise for the win.

   I have the pictures to prove it too.

2. #2 Cameron

   May 15, 2007

   Interesting…I wish they seperated out sugar intake from the rest of carbs.

3. #3 Andrew Dodds

   May 15, 2007

   Interesting – why does ‘common sense’ tell us that eating foods that have recently been introduced to the human diet (Grains, potatoes, rice, etc.) over foods present for at least a million years (Meat, eggs, fish, etc) would be healthy?

   Of course, the answer is that a lots of meats have quite ‘artificial’ fatty acid profiles, correlations between high protein intake and high processed food/trans fat intake, etc.. the apparent lack of control for total calorie intake dosen’t help.

   And excluding people with diabeties is, whilst understandable, excluding those who are least well adapted to a high carbohydrate intake, pretty much by definition.

4. #4 natural cynic

   May 15, 2007

   A.Dodds: Interesting – why does ‘common sense’ tell us that eating foods that have recently been introduced to the human diet (Grains, potatoes, rice, etc.) over foods present for at least a million years (Meat, eggs, fish, etc) would be healthy?

   It would do well to emphasize the gatherer in hunter-gatherer. Look at our closest relatives, the great apes – and you will see that plant foods are far more important in total calorie intake. Human neural development may need slightly larger amounts of protein and fat in the diet, but does not mean that we had to be mighty hunters. Note that tubers may have been a major food source in many arreas along with fruits, when available.

   And excluding people with diabeties is, whilst understandable, excluding those who are least well adapted to a high carbohydrate intake, pretty much by definition.

   Not so. The most effective diet for Type 2 diabetics is a vegan – low fat, high carbohydrate, low glycemic index reference. It’s the type of carbs that counts much more than the amount of carbs. In addition, higher fat generally leads to higher serum lipids which increases insulin resistance.

5. #5 Shane

   May 15, 2007

   Did you actually read the article? The results are w/ respect to low carb / high protein diets. There’s a pretty big functional difference between this and low carb / high fat, and a world of difference between the different sorts of high fat diets.

   I’ve known people who eat bacon and eggs for breakfast every morning in accordance with one flavor of high fat diet; needless to say, there are consequences to this.

6. #6 Michael

   May 15, 2007

   How much of the great apes diet consists of refined (manmade) carbohydrates, vegetable oils or added sugars? As these 3 things comprise about 63% of calories in the standard American diet, I don’t think it’s a valid comparison. As for “the most effective diet for type 2 Diabetics” you might want to look at the 56 week study that was published recently in the journal, Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry- “Beneficial effects of ketogenic diet in obese Diabetic subjects” which in summary showed the following: weight loss of 24.4 kg, total cholesterol down 28%, LDL down 33%, HDL up 63%, Triglycerides down 78%, and Fasting blood glucose down 50%.

7. #7 natural cynic

   May 16, 2007

   The major point about type 2 diabetics is that anything that induces a hypocaloric state is going to improve their lipid profiles and insulin sensitivity – high fat, low fat, high exercise with no change in # of calories consumed, grapefruit+chicken breast+megavitimin+Nutri-drinks+…, whatever. Everything works if it is hypocaloric. The problem is always going to be staying with a hypocaloric situation. The point about Barnard’s study is that it shown that % carbs in the diet is not be the problem – it’s the source of the carbs. The most promising research into the ultimate causes of type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome is in the PPAR’s which appear to control insulin receptor action along with cholesterol and other blood lipids.

   The real take home lesson from the Greek study in an ad libitum feeeding situation in a free-living population with an essentially isocaloric diet [or a normal social situation]. In that case, the low fat diet is safer. And plenty of other studies have demonstrated that the source of carbs counts heavily – high glycemic index vs. low glycemic index. That, along with differences in fat source – oils from traditional sources [olives, nuts and fish] is better than fat from fatty meat and processed vegetable oils.

8. #8 daedalus2u

   May 16, 2007

   There is a gigantic problem with this study, which may completely invalidate the conclusions. This study was based on a self-selected diet. The implicit assumption (which may be completely wrong), was that health outcomes were a consequence of the diet. It may be that the (unconcious) choice of diet was dictated by underlying medical conditions that may be responsible for the increased mortality.

   There was a recent JAMA meta-review that showed that supplemental antioxidants increased mortality.

   There have been numerous very robust and very strong effects showing that green leafy vegetables in a self selected diet are associated with good health and low mortality. My reconciliation of these two seemingly disparate observations is that there is an “oxidative stress setpoint”, which is regulated by physiology, and dietary choice is part of that regulatory control system.

   It may be that the balance between dietary carbohydrate and dietary protein is also regulated by underlying physiology, a “carbohydrate protein setpoint”. That underlying physiology may be what is responsible for the increased mortality observed.

   If the “setpoint” hypothesis is correct, eating a diet that is incompatable with your “setpoint” would likely cause worse health (as observed in the case of the supplemental antioxidants above).

9. #9 Family Nutritionist

   May 16, 2007

   daedalus2u,
   Your hypothesis is that some or all of the hp/lc eaters chose their diet because they were already at high risk for mortality from cardiovascular disease or cancer, and that the choice is unconscious, perhaps instinctive.

   This study focused mainly on subjects with no pre-existing coronary artery disease. But they did compare their results to those of subjects with one or the other of these disease. In both cases, researchers found that the hp/lc diet correlated significantly with increased mortality.

   So, for Greeks with coronary artery disease or diabetes, the hp/lc diet was a bad choice, just as it was for those without these diseases.

   The researchers did not compare the distribution of hp/lc index scores for the three cohorts (non-disease, CAD, and diabetic), so they do not address your self-selection concern.

10. #10 daedalus2u

    May 16, 2007

    I am not suggesting that they were only “high risk”, they may have already had the diseases in sub-clinical stages. They did exclude individuals with clinical disease, but those diseases don’t happen “all of a sudden”, they are chronic conditions that (no doubt) get progressively worse until they cross an arbitrary defined threshold and become clinically significant.

    I think the only way to determine the true effect of diet is to make the study prospective, and force people to eat the diet that is under study. That is going to be a very hard study to do, particularly if it is multi-year. Maybe in prisons? But I don’t see any other way of getting around the self-selected part.

11. #11 AG

    May 22, 2007

    Human are still evolving according to their enviroment and cutlure. Agriculture societies like those in China or Europe will produce carbon-hydrate dependent metabolism. So this european study might fit people of agriculture society. But hunter-gather society depends on total different food which often has very little carb. Such people include Mongolian or eskimos who are almost pure carnivores (meat-eater). For these people, high-protein and low carb food might be most healthy ones which fit their metabolism better.

    Have you noticed that people of hunter and gatherer society tend to have higher incidence of diabetes when they live with bread or rice which are typical agriculture food?

12. #12 Emily

    June 6, 2007

    Thank you for bringing such nice posts. Your blog is always fascinating to read.

13. #13 Anatolie

    February 23, 2010

    This study didn’t surprise me at all. The leanest and longest living people in the developed world are the Japanese, who eat a lot of high carb foods like vegetables, rice and grains and not much of high fat animal products. Eating lots of veggies and fruits can help boost your immune system and eating high fat foods may adversely affect your health and lead to cardiovascular disease and stroke. One of the lowest rates of obesity, diabetes, cancer and heart disease in the world are observed in Japan.

    Most of the energy you use to move around and live is from carbohydrates. The brain relies on carbohydrates for its amazing power. It will be deprived of glucose that it needs to function properly, in a low carb diet.

    Low carb diet is also very low in fiber, followers will need to take fiber supplements to avoid constipation.

    If you keep your carb intake in moderation, you won’t have any problems with your weight and you will supply your body and your brain with the energy that they need.