Ask Ethan: Could an atmosphere slow down a runaway spaceship? (Synopsis)

Sounds like a great use of $100 million.

It certainly does sn. The human urge for exploration is strong and a good part of the reason we've achieved so much. It's good to see you getting on board with the support of science and away from your typical dark-ages inspired endorsement of ignorance.

That is what you meant, right?

@ SN#1 I dunno SN, I think they should invest that money in coal gasification research :
http://energy.gov/fe/science-innovation/clean-coal-research/gasificatio…
We drive down energy cost and have exponentially more money for space research.

To Ragtag Media #3:

Well, if it was between those two bets – coal gasification or Ethan’s subject – I think I, like you, would favor the former.

But they better hurry up!
Because Hillary said
“We’re gonna put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Makes an interesting enigma - get to the target planet first, set up a power grid and laser site to slow the probes down on their arrival so that we can explore the local environment to decide where to set up our base.
The chicken and the egg again?
:)

Sounds like a great use of $100 million.

Color me unsurprised that S.N.'s desperate quest for attention would lead him to whine about the expenditure of private monies. Perhaps he could slip Yuri Milner a note of correction, as he was "planning" to do with the pontiff in Philadelphia.

Yeah, it's not his money, but he damn well wants to own it and tell people how to spend it.

Fiddling in other people's business is what the rightwinnutjob desires, just as long as they're the ones investigating, NEVER the ones being investigated.

Hypocrisy being the major feature of the RWNJ. Stupidity being a strong #2.

Another way of looking at how hard breaking is: at 60,000 km/s it will take about 0.2 seconds to pass an Earth sized object. To stop in that time you will face a 30 million g acceleration. So even if you manage to create some magic heat shield that dissipates all the kinetic energy, your probe will still be crushed.

I assume the idea is instead to just pass by and transmit information home from the very brief passage, but I haven't seen any calculation if such a small probe can really carry a sufficiently strong transmitter and antenna to reach Earth. Anyone done calculations on that?

Speaking of the probe suffering from being heating by colliding with gar molecules. If I did my back of the envelope right, hitting a proton, it would have a relative energy of 20MEV, so its not just energy for heating, its heating by hard core ionizing radiation. The material of the probe is going to be severely tested. And hitting enough gas to lose a substantial fraction of your speed, means most probe atoms will suffer more than one collision.

@Omega Centauri #9: Yes, you did it right: 19.34 MeV per proton :-) Gamma-1 = 0.0206, but m = 0.938 MeV.

With an average interstellar density of a few atoms per cubic centimeter (1e-4 in hot, ionized regions to 1e+6 in molecular clouds), a solar sail with an area of 1 km2 at 0.2 c will see a flux of something like 6e+16 impacts per second, or a heat load of 192 kW.

The sail is obviously "designed" for that kind of load (the assumption that it will be illuminated by a multi GW laser means it must be :-), but that's still going to be non-trivial drag slowing it down, not to mention the physical damage (atomic displacements and just plain punctures) from those impacts over ~20 years.

Hmmm...another interesting calculation. Average of 6e16 impacts/second for 20 years is just under 4e25 total impacts. A graphene sail with 100 mg mass has just 0.008 moles of carbon, or 5e21 atoms. So over the course of the journey, EVERY SINGLE ATOM in the sail is likely to experience 80 direct hits, invoving either ionization or a nuclear interaction.

Look up "neutron spallation effects" for details on how the sail is likely to end up :-)

Omega Centauri, would you rather reserve that $100 million for something more promising?

You'd make at least three here who would.

See Noevo, if it were my $100 million that's not how I'd spend it. But, its not my money, I am content to allow its owners to use it how they see fit.

If they hadn't committed yet, and asked my opinion, I would have suggested other things, but gain I think its too late for that. Plus I don't expect them to ask.

Let's face it, as soon as the craft starts to slow, your payload just went through what remains of the sail.

It's almost as if they plan on burning the money to fire a rocket, the way some people talk about it.

I'm pretty sure the 100 M$ are gonne stay right here on Earth an go back into the economy.

Sheesh.

Of course aerobraking is impossible at that speed, but I was wondering if a combination of solar/magnetic braking could appreciably slow the probe as it approaches the target star.

100 mils could be used better, of course. The first problem is to accelerate the probe. Laser beam has not the same diameter- therefore, acceleration must be performed not far from the Earth and it must be really huge. Huge acceleration means large pressure and therefore hi beam's intensity. Sorry, people- sail will be evaporated, even if it gulps 0.01% of beam's energy. Forget about interstellar travels- this task is not for this century. There are many interesting objects in Solar system.