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		<title>Comment on Syria: the West makes the usual mistake by Craig Thomas</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/16/syria-the-west-makes-the-usual-mistake/#comment-30951</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 23:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian is talking about a Balkanisation of Syria, to create secure homelands for the various ethnic groups.
 
The very fact that this has been the approach to these sorts of conflicts puts the lie to the deluded multiculturalist utopia.

[&quot;Balkanisation&quot; is a poor term, but (wrapped in more honeyed words) I agree its the best solution. The &quot;multiculturalist utopia&quot; works (vide the US, or the UK) but not with the degree of distrust and hatred and death prevalent in the region at the moment and in the past. This too is a regrettable feedback affair: the Kurds would like their own country, naturally enough, and so the Turks distrust them, and suppress their language, which only makes the Kurds want a country even more, and so on round the cycle; and the same for others.

In this case, its obvious that their should be a Kurd country, spanning bits of Turkey, Iraq, Syria etc. The only reason there isn&#039;t one is that we (the West, probably mostly the UK) f*ck*d it all up when we left; and/or boundaries didn&#039;t mean quite the same thing in those days. Everyone (including Turkey and Iraq and Syria) would be much happier of their was a Kurd country; but the leaders and the public are too dumb to realise it -W]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian is talking about a Balkanisation of Syria, to create secure homelands for the various ethnic groups.</p>
<p>The very fact that this has been the approach to these sorts of conflicts puts the lie to the deluded multiculturalist utopia.</p>
<p>["Balkanisation" is a poor term, but (wrapped in more honeyed words) I agree its the best solution. The "multiculturalist utopia" works (vide the US, or the UK) but not with the degree of distrust and hatred and death prevalent in the region at the moment and in the past. This too is a regrettable feedback affair: the Kurds would like their own country, naturally enough, and so the Turks distrust them, and suppress their language, which only makes the Kurds want a country even more, and so on round the cycle; and the same for others.</p>
<p>In this case, its obvious that their should be a Kurd country, spanning bits of Turkey, Iraq, Syria etc. The only reason there isn't one is that we (the West, probably mostly the UK) f*ck*d it all up when we left; and/or boundaries didn't mean quite the same thing in those days. Everyone (including Turkey and Iraq and Syria) would be much happier of their was a Kurd country; but the leaders and the public are too dumb to realise it -W]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Carbon Bubble: All we have to do is decide to not commit civilizational suicide – and the markets crash? by Neven</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/06/the-carbon-bubble-all-we-have-to-do-is-decide-to-not-commit-civilizational-suicide-and-the-markets-crash/#comment-30948</link>
		<dc:creator>Neven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been reading off and on through this blog post. Thanks for putting it up, WC. Just one or two things I&#039;d like to add:

&lt;i&gt;Ah, but that&#039;s where I think you&#039;re wrong (or at least ambiguous and confusing to anyone reading from the world of economics). We don&#039;t need to &quot;invent a new discipline of economics&quot; AFAIK. We need to improve economics, yes, but not in revolutionary ways - for the basic theory. We need to use economics differently. &lt;/i&gt;

No, we need to ditch the current dominant (neoclassical) theory and replace it with something that is rooted in biophysical realities and doesn&#039;t have perpetual growth as the engine that doesn&#039;t have a gear for reverse or running stationary.

Neoclassical economics isn&#039;t all of economics, although it might seem that way after so many decades of domination, a whole culture that has evolved out of it, and economics faculties brainwashing willing students all over the world.

I&#039;ve been reading some stuff about the history of economics lately, and am beginning to become aware just how much the brilliant work of people like Smith and Ricardo has been raped and distorted to justify all of the immoral aspects of globalisation and overconsumption.

It&#039;s insane. Truly insane.

[Well, I&#039;m baffled. You get close to the right answer at the end, but somehow don&#039;t see the contradiction to your start. Like I say: econ theory is fine. Your complaint is just the overemphasis on one branch. As to the &quot;perpetual growth&quot; &quot;problem&quot; - well, its a good model for the past. If you want to propose a different model for the future, you&#039;ll need to do so in detail, having first actually understood econ theory (I keep saying that to mt; I suppose I should admit that *I* don&#039;t understand econ theory) -W]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading off and on through this blog post. Thanks for putting it up, WC. Just one or two things I&#8217;d like to add:</p>
<p><i>Ah, but that&#8217;s where I think you&#8217;re wrong (or at least ambiguous and confusing to anyone reading from the world of economics). We don&#8217;t need to &#8220;invent a new discipline of economics&#8221; AFAIK. We need to improve economics, yes, but not in revolutionary ways &#8211; for the basic theory. We need to use economics differently. </i></p>
<p>No, we need to ditch the current dominant (neoclassical) theory and replace it with something that is rooted in biophysical realities and doesn&#8217;t have perpetual growth as the engine that doesn&#8217;t have a gear for reverse or running stationary.</p>
<p>Neoclassical economics isn&#8217;t all of economics, although it might seem that way after so many decades of domination, a whole culture that has evolved out of it, and economics faculties brainwashing willing students all over the world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading some stuff about the history of economics lately, and am beginning to become aware just how much the brilliant work of people like Smith and Ricardo has been raped and distorted to justify all of the immoral aspects of globalisation and overconsumption.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s insane. Truly insane.</p>
<p>[Well, I'm baffled. You get close to the right answer at the end, but somehow don't see the contradiction to your start. Like I say: econ theory is fine. Your complaint is just the overemphasis on one branch. As to the "perpetual growth" "problem" - well, its a good model for the past. If you want to propose a different model for the future, you'll need to do so in detail, having first actually understood econ theory (I keep saying that to mt; I suppose I should admit that *I* don't understand econ theory) -W]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Science by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/19/bad-science/#comment-30872</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 14:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, regarding climate sensitivity, what is your take on the new research published by Julie Brigham-Grette, showing that a few million years ago, temperatures were much higher at current levels of CO2 than today, indicating a very high climate sensitivity?
Link is http://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/ice-free-arctic-may-be-our-future ,  or here http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/350292/description/The_Arctic_was_once_warmer_covered_by_trees . 

Some comments on that? Sounds quite worrying to me]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, regarding climate sensitivity, what is your take on the new research published by Julie Brigham-Grette, showing that a few million years ago, temperatures were much higher at current levels of CO2 than today, indicating a very high climate sensitivity?<br />
Link is <a href="http://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/ice-free-arctic-may-be-our-future" rel="nofollow">http://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/ice-free-arctic-may-be-our-future</a> ,  or here <a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/350292/description/The_Arctic_was_once_warmer_covered_by_trees" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/350292/description/The_Arctic_was_once_warmer_covered_by_trees</a> . </p>
<p>Some comments on that? Sounds quite worrying to me</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solving three [Rubik&#039;s] cubes while juggling them by Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/20/solving-three-rubiks-cubes-while-juggling-them/#comment-30858</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 23:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya know how, before computers,  people with that kind of had homebuilt radios, or complicated model train layouts, or very complicated love lives --- always having to find some way to burn off that need to use that ability to think in complexity?

Well, I think this video must be the kind of thing starship pilots do, when born before their time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know how, before computers,  people with that kind of had homebuilt radios, or complicated model train layouts, or very complicated love lives &#8212; always having to find some way to burn off that need to use that ability to think in complexity?</p>
<p>Well, I think this video must be the kind of thing starship pilots do, when born before their time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syria: the West makes the usual mistake by Brian Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/16/syria-the-west-makes-the-usual-mistake/#comment-30851</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tried to post an earlier comment. It was beautiful, but now it&#039;s gone.

Anyway, establish a large safe haven on the Turkish border and start organizing a non-insane Free Syrian government to actually run things in the safe haven. That&#039;ll help.

Also support an Alawite opposition movement ASAP that can run the Alawite parts of the county post-Assad and reduce massacres.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried to post an earlier comment. It was beautiful, but now it&#8217;s gone.</p>
<p>Anyway, establish a large safe haven on the Turkish border and start organizing a non-insane Free Syrian government to actually run things in the safe haven. That&#8217;ll help.</p>
<p>Also support an Alawite opposition movement ASAP that can run the Alawite parts of the county post-Assad and reduce massacres.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solving three [Rubik&#039;s] cubes while juggling them by Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 12:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not that difficult.  First, learn to solve a Rubik&#039;s cube one handed, with each move not taking very long. 
Second, learn to juggle.
Can&#039;t do either - can barely catch a ball lobbed at me - but in principle....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that difficult.  First, learn to solve a Rubik&#8217;s cube one handed, with each move not taking very long.<br />
Second, learn to juggle.<br />
Can&#8217;t do either &#8211; can barely catch a ball lobbed at me &#8211; but in principle&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syria: the West makes the usual mistake by Craig Thomas</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/16/syria-the-west-makes-the-usual-mistake/#comment-30842</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 05:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, the pyrrhic victory will be the inevitable Sunni takeover: Assad defeated, but a far greater evil in power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, the pyrrhic victory will be the inevitable Sunni takeover: Assad defeated, but a far greater evil in power.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syria: the West makes the usual mistake by Vinny Burgoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny Burgoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 22:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT: Will anyone here be in Edinburgh next week? A Gay Girl In Damascus has organised a colloquium about &#039;Maintaining and changing identities&#039; and &#039;Crossing boundaries, bridging cultures&#039;. Admittedly it&#039;s an arcane historical doodad concentrating on the maintenance etc of 7th-century Mediterranean identities etc rather than the thoroughly modern mystery of a middle-aged male heterosexual American Christian posing as a youthful lesbian Syrian Muslim but if someone&#039;s in the neighbourhood, owns a dictaphone and has nothing better to do ... See http://7thcentury.blogspot.co.uk/ for details.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: Will anyone here be in Edinburgh next week? A Gay Girl In Damascus has organised a colloquium about &#8216;Maintaining and changing identities&#8217; and &#8216;Crossing boundaries, bridging cultures&#8217;. Admittedly it&#8217;s an arcane historical doodad concentrating on the maintenance etc of 7th-century Mediterranean identities etc rather than the thoroughly modern mystery of a middle-aged male heterosexual American Christian posing as a youthful lesbian Syrian Muslim but if someone&#8217;s in the neighbourhood, owns a dictaphone and has nothing better to do &#8230; See <a href="http://7thcentury.blogspot.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://7thcentury.blogspot.co.uk/</a> for details.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Science by John Mashey</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/05/19/bad-science/#comment-30827</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mashey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: #5, Argh.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/4/451/2013/esdd-4-451-2013.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benestad, Hygen, van Dorland, Cook and Nuccitelli.  Agnotology: learning from mistakes.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #5, Argh.<br />
<a href="http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/4/451/2013/esdd-4-451-2013.html" rel="nofollow">Benestad, Hygen, van Dorland, Cook and Nuccitelli.  Agnotology: learning from mistakes.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Syria: the West makes the usual mistake by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 19:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we get lucky and they destroy each other leaving the victor feeling a bit like Pyrrhus. Thats a win win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we get lucky and they destroy each other leaving the victor feeling a bit like Pyrrhus. Thats a win win.</p>
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