PZ has noted that the boyos over at Uncommon Descent have deep-sixed a comment thread that (rightly) pointed out that he bested DI-fellow Geoffrey Simmons in their debate yesterday (it will be interesting to see how the DI spins this one). Happily, After The Bar Closes has the comments archived. Therein, you can find this gem from Louis Savain (yeah, that Savain):
The ID movement is wasting its time and resources, in my opinion. This ID vs. evolution fight will never be won with either debates, arguments, brochures, web sites or what have you. The opposition has a propaganda machine that is impervious to this strategy. If public debates and discussions are the best that we can do, I’m afraid we have lost the war before it has even started.
ID needs a BIG EVENT. It needs something that will get everybody (laymen and experts alike) to stand up and take notice, something that will quickly and decisively nullify the enemy’s defences. I don’t see these endless debates and arguments making a dent in their armor. They’re stronger than ever.
Education and arguments are nice but they will only be effective after we’re on top, not before.
["mapou", 01/31/2008 5:27pm]
It’s not that public debates and discussions are the "best" that they can do, it’s that public debates and discussions are all that they can do. The evidence clearly hasn’t worked out in their favor and the ID movement has turned to attempts to win over the public through op-ed pieces, websites and "debates." And now they are losing that engagement as well because, as PZ ably demonstrated, their ignorance of scientific findings becomes obvious when they are questioned.
What sort of "BIG EVENT" Savain envisions is anyone’s guess – short of the appearance of Xenu, the FSM, or You-Know-Who, it’s hard to see what could pull ID out of its current tail-spin.