Seed Media Group

Thoughts from Kansas

You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that it loses itself early and does not find itself any more. --Mark Twain

Search this blog

Profile

Josh at work Joshua Rosenau spends his days defending the teaching of evolution at the National Center for Science Education. He is also a graduate student at the University of Kansas, completing a doctorate in the department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. When not modeling species distributions or battling creationists, he writes about developments in progressive politics and the sciences.

The opinions expressed here are his own, do not reflect the official position of the NCSE. Indeed, older posts may no longer reflect his own official position.

Sb/DonorsChoose Drive


Thanks!

Recent Posts

Recent Comments

Archives

Subscribe to TfK:

Accolades

Best of Kansas City

Good posts from history

The Birth of Intelligent Falling

A failure of Intelligent Design

Why it's called Intelligent Design Creationism

Write a letter to the editor

My photo albums.

Support TfK

Affiliate programs: buy through the links, and TfK will get a percentage.

Buying some music for your friends?

Apple iTunes

Or maybe some gift certificates?

Buy me things from my Amazon.com wishlist.

Buy yourself things!

Search Now:
Search Amazon.com

Good government

Find your state legislators

Help elect sensible leaders

Re-Elect Nancy Boyda!

Internet neighbors

Add yourself to the Frappr map!
Check out our Frappr or add yourself to it!

Blogroll

Progressive Blogroll Alliance

Show PBA Blogroll

Register here to join the PBA.

« Indie acts | Main | In which I correct Kevin Drum »

Vacation spots

Category: Policy and Politics
Posted on: August 10, 2008 9:22 PM, by Josh Rosenau

Politico quotes a Clinton pollster concern-trolling about Barack Obama taking a vacation in Hawaii, the state he grew up in:

“For somebody who has been called ‘elitist,’ going to Hawaii is not exactly going against type,” Schoen said. “I would rather have him going to national parks.”
First, I'd note that Hawaii has 8 national parks, so these are not necessarily mutually exclusive propositions.

Second, I was struck by Kevin Drum's reaction:

A NOTE FROM THE REAL WORLD....Hawaii is an elitist vacation spot? Seriously? Just for the record, folks, Hawaii is about the least elitist vacation spot on the planet. It ranks right in between Disneyland and the Grand Canyon on the elitism meter, and probably a couple of notches below a visit to Yosemite.
Growing up on the East Coast, Hawaii seemed like a pretty elite vacation spot. The Caribbean and even Europe occupied roughly the position Drum is giving to Hawaii. Since moving to California, I've been struck by the different patterns in vacation spots. Californians seem to take fairly frequent vacations in Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia, islands in Oceania, or various points in Asia, but not so much in Europe or the Caribbean. It isn't surprising given the geography, but it is a mental adjustment. Therefore, Kevin's is a note from California, a state with an at-times-tenuous connection to the real world.

Kansans, FWIW, tended to vacation within the continental US. These regional differences matter, since California isn't a swing state, and swing state voters will react differently than I would.

I hope and pray that they won't make their minds up based on silliness like this, or at least that they'll recognize that this is about family, not about campaigning.

Comments

#1

All this "elitist" shit makes me want to kick a motherfucking right-wing asshole douchehound in the fucking nuts!

Posted by: PhysioProf | August 10, 2008 10:17 PM

#2
Californians seem to take fairly frequent vacations in Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia, islands in Oceania, or various points in Asia, but not so much in Europe or the Caribbean. It isn't surprising given the geography, but it is a mental adjustment. Therefore, Kevin's is a note from California, a state with an at-times-tenuous connection to the real world.

A) This is a common spot for folks from the state of Washington, so I think there's more of a West Coast thing--and the next state over isn't particularly elite or exotic.

B) Lots of expat Hawaiians along the West Coast. A trip to Hawaii wouldn't be particularly "elite" or "exotic" to them or their friends. It'd be more like...home.

Posted by: gwangung | August 11, 2008 12:43 AM

#3

I've not been to Hawaii, but my wife has. She likens it to Branson, with better weather.

Posted by: pablo | August 11, 2008 12:53 PM

#4

Oh for pete's sake it's where he's from!

Interesting point about travel patterns - I grew up on the east coast and we definatly kept our trips east of the Mississippi, there's a lot of options in the N/S variability.

Posted by: megan | August 11, 2008 1:31 PM

#5

Josh,

Great meeting you in NYC at the ScienceBlogs.com meet-up.

Off topic of that and of your post, but have you heard if NCSE or the AMNHistory are doing anything in 2009 in NYC for what I think of as "The Year of Darwin"--both the 150th anniversary of the publication of Origin AND the 200th anniversary of his birth are in 2009. Great educational opportunity. I think throughout 2009 Seed/ScienceBlogs should carry a banner announcing the Year of Darwin or some such that can be placed as a tile or banner on blogs or other websites as a promotional & educational tool.)

Posted by: Scott | August 12, 2008 9:29 AM

#6

Scott - have you checked out the listings on Copus? http://www.copusproject.org/

Posted by: megan | August 13, 2008 1:36 PM

Post a Comment

(Email is required for authentication purposes only. Comments are moderated for spam, your comment may not appear immediately. Thanks for waiting.)





Having problems commenting? (UPDATED)

Blogs in the Network

Advertisement

Top Five: Most Active

Search All Blogs



GeoURL ecto powered