Caroline Crocker taught creationism in some DC-area colleges, and the colleges didn’t renew her contract, so she was put on wingnut welfare with a gig at the ID creationist IDEA center. There, she tells us, she helped create “safe houses” and fake identities so students could secretly come “out of the closet.”


  1. #1 Jeffrey Shallit
    May 19, 2011

    In academia, one is expected to have evidence for one’s claims. Surely this is one reason why theistic claims are regarded with some suspicion in academia.

  2. #2 Anthony McCarthy
    May 19, 2011

    Secretly coming out of the closet is identical to staying in the closet.

    I don’t know about the two British universities where she got her graduate training but if I was involved with them I’d want to take a good look at how those were given out.

    Somewhere she seems to have missed the idea that science was for physical evidence only. It’s a common hole in science education on all sides.

    Other than that, what I read leads me to believe she’s nuts. Her present employers apparently don’t see that as a bar for her representing their kind of “science”. The Discovery Institute would seem to be more a sheltered workshop than a research institute.

  3. #3 John Pieret
    May 19, 2011

    Sounds to me like an excuse for why the IDEA Clubs are so moribund. Go to the IDEA Center site she gives:

    The last “IDEA Course” listed was given in 2004;

    The last event listed was a showing of “The Privileged Planet” at a high school IDEA Club in 2007;

    Back in 2008, Alan MacNeill found little trace of any actual IDEA Clubs:

    And the IDEA Center’s list of chapter locations shows a bunch, but then puts in this disclaimer:

    Editor’s Note: This Chapter Locations page is currently being updated; some of this information is accurate but some is out-of-date. As of early 2009, there are about a dozen active / in-formation IDEA Clubs. Please keep checking back for updates in the near-future. Thanks! –The management.

    It’s taking them two years to update the list? Possibly because they can’t find any at all?

    So, if you have no chapters, it must because they’re all in hiding, right?

  4. #4 J. J. Ramsey
    May 19, 2011

    John Pieret: “So, if you have no chapters, it must because they’re all in hiding, right?”

    Maybe they’re just pining for the fjords?

  5. #5 John Pieret
    May 19, 2011

    Maybe they’re just pining for the fjords?

    Hee. In my own post about MacNeill’s findings, I suggested they had joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile:

  6. #6 Anthony McCarthy
    May 20, 2011

    I just thought that, in light of the subject of this thread, and in honor of the superb demonstration of wit, creativity and courage yesterday, that from till further notice I’m Takei and I will encourage everyone to say “Takei” today.

  7. #7 Glen Davidson
    May 20, 2011

    Imagine students coming to centers of learning, joining clubs expressly opposed to honest inquiry, and meeting with opposition.

    Oh, the humanity!

    Glen Davidson

  8. #8 sikiş
    August 18, 2011

    Tom, I think you skipped a couple of steps in your hurry to cry havoc and unleash the Frogs of war. . .Step one should be knowing what the end state will be.

    These French air drops may very well become a problem later by having arms scattered all over the place, to include in the hands of al-Qa’idah in the Maghreb and will only exacerbate the problem should civil war break-out, which is a real possible scenario after crazy Omar exits.

  9. #9 kırmızı yol
    August 18, 2011

    Jeff, I hope you are trying to claim that Science equals atheism.

    That was Ken Millers point.

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