PC vs Mac: Race and Gender in Advertising

The PC ad is completely derivative of the Mac ad, but it's not bad. I do think the female psychoanalyst character in the Mac vs. PC ads is presented in quite a positive light, but otherwise, you're right. I had never noticed the Mac always interrupts the genius.

Amen. I love that PC commercial - and, like you, I know it's trying to make me love it. But at least it understands what I want to see.

ps - since that comment showed up while I was making mine - it's not "derivative". It's just based on it - springboarding off it.

Deepak Chopra? Why would they poison their own ad? They're insane.

The Mac ads reach me in the way that the PC ads do not. I rarely get a "I want that" reaction from advertising, but these ads generate that feeling (despite the fact that I remain a PC user).

Late 30s, male, mixed-race...identify as non-white, but I "pass". Like Dave, I never noticed that the Mac always interrupts the Genius - probably says that I'm more of a sexist than I think I am.

I don't like the PC ads. They feel too "United Colours of Benetton"...too contrived. I love to see diversity on TV, but it has to feel genuine. This doesn't.

Even though I chuckle at them, I am offput by the Mac/PC commercials because I resemble the older white male who is clearly represented as unattractive. Except for added measure, I am also bald.

I hated Macs for years. Only recently I began recommending Macs to people, after Apple made some fundamental improvements. But the commercials should focus on getting work done more quickly and less stressfully. Not everyone wants to be 'cool' and some of us know how delusional it would be for us to try. From the company's perspective, the only advantage to this campaign is it tends to be viral, or was before it became a cliche.

It is a pretty good ad.
I mean ultimately the commercial is just a much more warm 'n fuzzy version of the statement "everyone uses PCs"... but yeah. +1 to at least it understands what makes me feel warm 'n fuzzy.
I mean, I can't personally identify much with Deepak Chopra, but I can certainly identify with some of the other people... a lot more than I identify with MacDude, anyway.

In fairness to MacDude, if all the young people I knew used Macs and all the old ones uses PCs- that is, if the sterotype resonated- I'm not sure I'd be as distainful of the manufactured us[youth=Mac] vs. them[old=PC]. You can't trust anyone over thirty, right?*
;-)

*(except for ultra-cool-and-hip Bloggers, of course)

Zuska,
I realize that i will probably get slammed for suggesting it, but i think you are reading a little too much into the Mac ads. As a non-white person myself, i am usually very keen to notice the 'whiteness' of everything around me. However, i have always thought (and still do think)that the idea that the Mac ads were pushing is the glorification of Steve Jobs at the expense of Bill Gates. The 'whiteness' of the characters being more related to the figureheads of the companies than any 'image' they are trying to portray.

This points to a larger discussion about diversity in advertising that is hardly new; I know of at least one blog (MultiCultClassics) that's dedicated to this concept alone.

Oh -- I think Chopra's inclusion was meant to be ironic.

It's too bad the Linux and open source software world isn't a commercial entity with money for adverising. I'd love to see a comparable Linux ad!

I've attempted to install Linux for some female friends over the years, with no luck at all. I think it might be due to a basic difference between male and female psychology. Most Linux geeks are male; I think it is because of the typical male's interest in tinkering rather than in just Getting Something Done.

I'm on Vicodin after an operation, so forgive me if I've treaded on any toes!

The PC add is still sexist! Yeah, OK, so everybody uses PCs, but the geniuses are still nerdy looking white guys, while the pretty woman wearing a wedding ring lies by the pool. The implication is, yeah sure she uses a PC, but probably to go shopping.

I know what Kea's getting at. I think the gender-representation thing would have been so very much better if only the guy who says "I study genes" had been a woman, and the woman who says "and I design jeans" had been a guy.
I want my gender-role revolution, and I want it yesterday!

I'm kind of put off by the partnerships between Mac and some universities. The "computer" section of my bookstore really only caters to Mac users. I think a lot of students want Macs because they're cute or something. I don't get it. Same with the iPod thing...I actually heard someone say they *needed* the new Nano. Need? Really?

One of those silly pictures you see around various humor sites shows the PC and Mac guys from the Mac commercials, and it's captioned something like this:

"These two guys show up at your office for a job interview. Who do you hire?"

It's got a point.

Mac ads don't feature women because REAL women build their own PC. Nuff said ;)

Your basic observation about the whiteness and maleness of the apple ads is bang on, although it hardly stands out as unusual. But I am not overly impressed by the PC ad either. I see this ad as being part of current trend in advertising to use non-whiteness as code for hip, dynamic, creative, forward thinking. As in, "Look at how cool we are, we have a black friend!" Importantly, the person of color, or woman, is never permitted to play a central role. They are never the CEO, they never personify the meaning of mac-ness. They are always a fashion accessory meant to illustrate the forward thinking hipness of the white/male central actor. I don't think that the PC ad really improves on this problem.

You, Mr. White Male Mac User, may be a geek, but you are a cool one! And you will get hot chicks!

Whoa! Getting Mac will Increase my chances of successfully mating with the female gender?

Is it OK if I get a used ibook on Craiglist, or do I need a new big G5 quad-core machine - I mean- does size matter?

The main difference here is that MS ads talks about the users, while the Mac ad talks about the computer itself.

Had they used a non-white, non-male person portray either the Mac or the PC in the Mac commercial, the other person would have also had to have been of the same gender/race. Otherwise the PC-gender/race would be portrait as inferior to whatever gender/race the Mac would have been. That is never going to work.

Maybe it is time to stop using people as props in commercials. Just display a simple "a > b" text and be done with it.

Erm, yogi-one, "new" and "G5" don't really go together considering they haven't made them for about two years now.

But seriously, I see the problem here and I don't think you can entirely blame Apple for it. Partly because of yolio's point - including a non-white/non-male character isn't something that's done casually, because it also carries various specific connotations. A "generic" person is still assumed to be white and male. Would it be nice if this changed? Sure. Can we expect Apple to compromise the emotional "message" they're trying to convey with these ads? It would be nice if they did, but realistically, no.

In an ad with two characters, if both of them are white men then the ad is racist and sexist.

And if there is a woman in the ad, she has to be a central character. And smarter than everyone else. And feminine, but not *too* feminine. And she has to talk first, and gets to answer every question. (Seriously---the "genius" talks more than anyone in the relevant ads and the complaint is that the Mac is allowed a single line in each one?)

And any ads that do meet these conditions ("Counselor", "PR Lady", "Breakthrough" ; the majority of Apple's "Switcher" ads) are thrown out of the sample.

And of course that "Time Machine" ad is blatantly racist. It's bad enough that Justin Long is white when there's one of him, but when there are twenty clones of him wouldn't statistics dictate that at least *one* Justin Long is a girl?

Honestly, this is the kind of nonsense that gets people to tune out modern feminism. Lobbying to increase the usage of half-black-businesswoman stock photos in ads beyond its already-absurd level is unlikely to address any of the real problems with race and gender that exist.

Zuska

You seem to be paradoxically both getting and missing the point simultaneously.

You seem to understand the situation when you say Okay, that might be a great marketing technique but you seem to think there ought to be something more than that, and the plain fact is that there isnt. Theres a good (from the corporate perspective) reason for that, and it has entirely to do with what will move product.

These corporations do whatever it takes to make money. If they can be seen to be non-sexist, non-racist and green at the same time, then thats wonderful, but none of those things are their raison d'être, and all of those things are secondary to making money.

Their ad agencies ultimately operate only from that perspective. Theyre going to do whatever it takes to make rake in those profits (the only green which actually is truly important to most corporations). As long as theyre not making dangerous waves, they wont change.

Thats the problem. There is evidently a large number of people they can reach with what theyre doing thats precisely why its a great marketing technique.

Call them the frat-boy mentality, the geek mentality, the jock mentality or whatever, but the point is that that is the mentality at which theyre aiming with a particular ad, and the reality of it is inescapable in this day and age. They wouldnt be able to employ this great marketing technique if there were not a ready-made market for it, and as long as that market exists, they have no incentive to change.

In fact, it would be corporate suicide to do so, because if they market ineffectively, they go out of business.

Change will only come when people in the targeted niche no longer respond to such advertising. Apple isnt going to change that. Neither is Microsoft. That change will only come as individuals change, and individuals will only change if theyre raised to be different or at least raised with the ability to realize they ought to be different.

Im sure that Microsofts ad is more powerful to you. To many others, neither of those perspectives is about people. Theyre about Mac vs. PC, and thats all many others will see. They see no sexism or racism involved as far as they're concerned.

Whether that in itself is right or wrong is another issue. But the bottom line is that there really is no difference in the two ads, when you get right down to it. Neither one of them was made to be, in the one case racist or sexist, or in the other case, politically correct.

Both of them are nothing more than cynical manipulations of the viewer, the sole purpose of which is to rake in the dough and thats what the real problem is here.

Change will only come when people in the targeted niche no longer respond to such advertising.

And how, exactly, is that change to come about, if we don't engage in activities like pointing out how sexism and racism are deployed in advertising meant to manipulate us?

In a sense, whether the people who created the Mac and PC ads were intentionally sexist/racist is not important. The Mac ads draw upon an existing cultural stereotype, which itself is sexist and racist; the ad can't help being otherwise because it depends upon this stereotype for its message.

Of course the ads are all about making money. That's not news. But they are also about other things, and they tell us stories about how we see ourselves, what we aspire to be, what we think we are like. I think the nature of those stories is important, even as I deplore the manipulation of advertising in general, and I prefer the story that the PC ad tells to the one that the Mac ads tell. Even if, as many commenters here have pointed out, that story has its flaws as well.

Maybe it's because I'm just anti-MS, but how is "I am a [piece of inanimate hardware & crappy code]" in the MS ad empowering? Notice that the ad does not say "user".

The ads are so old I'm surprised nobody's familiar with it. Possibly because Novell doesn't have the billions of dollars to invest in marketing that Apple and especially Microsoft do. Enjoy Mac, PC, and Linux:

http://www.novell.com/linux/meetlinux/

It was apparently covered in Wired: http://blog.wired.com/cultofmac/2007/03/novell_launches.html

That's true.

In the end, what I really appreciate is the acknowledgment that someone like me is in the audience.

This is doubly true to me here, but only because a family member is actually playing in the ad... :-))

I think Amar makes a good point, glorifying Steve Jobs at the expense of Bill Gates. There is a long standing rivalry between the two and viewed in that light, it makes some sense.

Ian- shorter Zuska: "advertising is interesting beyond just how effective it is at moving product".

Or maybe:
"Communications analysis, it's better than sex!"
/weird quotes from my life

Joseph, I hadn't seen the Linux ads - thanks for the link. I read the Wired piece - they seem a bit taken aback by Linux being portrayed by a woman.

Interesting post. I had noticed all of these things, but I am a Mac user and intend to stay that way until I can't put up with the Intel switch causing wayyy more crashes than I ever had when Apple was Apple and more pure.

Seriously, though, women are definitely still a minority in the science and technology world. I would curious to see the breakdown of actual Mac vs. PC purchasers to know if in most American families (like mine and mrphds) our fathers buy the computers and fix them when they break, while our mothers wring their hands and complain when they can't print. This is still America today.

All I can do is fix the printer when I'm home, which is thankfully not very often. Dad doesn't like it though, because Mom makes fun of him that I know what to do and he doesn't.

I think advertising is more likely to reflect the consumer than the other way around. Commercials might get me interested in trying something new, but they rarely change my mind about a product I already know and love.

All advertisement companies use the same strategies to attract their typical consumer market. Companies are never going to change their ways of marketing because they work. In my college writing class we have been studying a book called "Signs of Life in the USA" by Sonia Maasik and Jack Solomon. The book is made up of several essays and blogs on marketing strategies, popular culture, what attracts the average person to a commercial, etc. One of these essays discusses a company who knows the exact times that their specific consumers watch TV and they know what attracts certain women to the product. All advertising strategies direct their ads for a certain gender. For example; beer advertisements are directed towards men even though women drink also, and for clothing companies they direct their towards women by attracting them with perfect models and clothing that gives them a certain classy or polished or punk or preppy look. These companies will never change their ways as long as we as the consumer continue being won over by the marketing strategies. The mac and pc commercials are a very good example for this.

The Mac/PC commercials show how much more Mac's have to offer, the PC strives to be just like the mac, but it never will. Mac has computer technology down to a science, while PC is still trying to perfect it. Why is it that PC's are always crashing, freezing, and getting viruses, because they have many flaws that mac has already perfected.