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		<title>Comment on GM food: Golden rice will save millions of people from vitamin A deficiency. &#8211; Slate Magazine by Jeffrey Rubinoff</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/02/23/gm-food-golden-rice-will-save-millions-of-people-from-vitamin-a-deficiency-slate-magazine/#comment-3437</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Rubinoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 13:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do we know if consumers in the Philippines will want to buy vitamin-A enhanced, orange rice? Whiteness is considered a desirable quality in rice in Asia (and what problems has that caused with nutrition?)
I wish I could find the article I read a while back questioning the usefulness of orange rice; the author considered it a technical fix to a social issue. There are plenty of vitamin A rich vegetables available in the Philippines--an interesting question is why aren&#039;t people eating them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we know if consumers in the Philippines will want to buy vitamin-A enhanced, orange rice? Whiteness is considered a desirable quality in rice in Asia (and what problems has that caused with nutrition?)<br />
I wish I could find the article I read a while back questioning the usefulness of orange rice; the author considered it a technical fix to a social issue. There are plenty of vitamin A rich vegetables available in the Philippines&#8211;an interesting question is why aren&#8217;t people eating them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crop Wars: Discover magazine and the anti-GMO movement by theoldman</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/03/08/crop-wars-discover-magazine-and-the-anti-gmo-movement/#comment-3385</link>
		<dc:creator>theoldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Cooper Crumbwell,

Wow, Monsanto basically runs the world, all on revenues that are less than Sara Lee&#039;s or Staples !   And why no more gluten?  That means no more wheat, barley and rye.   You know better than to mess with Levi&#039;s Rye !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cooper Crumbwell,</p>
<p>Wow, Monsanto basically runs the world, all on revenues that are less than Sara Lee&#8217;s or Staples !   And why no more gluten?  That means no more wheat, barley and rye.   You know better than to mess with Levi&#8217;s Rye !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crop Wars: Discover magazine and the anti-GMO movement by Ron</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/03/08/crop-wars-discover-magazine-and-the-anti-gmo-movement/#comment-3263</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The anti-technology, anti-science movement is a fanatical group of people who believe things rather than think.  Monsanto, Wal-Mart, and other successful corporations are now targets of these loons.  I am gluten intolerant, but have been for 60 years.  Monsanto has nothing to do with it.  But why let facts get in the way of a good lie and story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-technology, anti-science movement is a fanatical group of people who believe things rather than think.  Monsanto, Wal-Mart, and other successful corporations are now targets of these loons.  I am gluten intolerant, but have been for 60 years.  Monsanto has nothing to do with it.  But why let facts get in the way of a good lie and story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TEDxDeExtinction on Livestream by raef</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/03/12/tedxdeextinction-on-livestream/#comment-3166</link>
		<dc:creator>raef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[any video for the event ?]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Monsanto court case not about save-the-seeds myth &#8211; Winnipeg Free Press by Ewan R</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/02/23/monsanto-court-case-not-about-save-the-seeds-myth-winnipeg-free-press/#comment-3043</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Normal disclaimer up front, I’m a Monsanto employee, my musings here are entirely the product of the weird sack of meat contained within my skull and not the views of big M.
Brad Gottshall : - 
&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no evidence GMO crops have increased yield as compared to crops produced by non-GMO seed. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Even the UCS report “failure to yield” calls you a liar in this respect, even a biased surreality based group like the UCS had to concede a (if I remember the figure correctly) 4-5% increase in yield attributable to Bt in corn in the US.

&lt;blockquote&gt;here is no evidence of GMO cropping systems reducing the amount of disease in a field&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I am sure the growers of GMO papaya (virus resistant) are puzzled by your assertion.
&lt;blockquote&gt; most certainly no evidence of GMO crops being drought resistant&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Because last years on farm trials of Monsanto’s droughtguard product  simply didn’t happen. And it isn’t being scaled up this year. And it didn’t beat out Pioneer’s offering (which is the product of breeding and not GM). Hang on wait a moment, all those things happened. It’s almost like you’re totally wrong on this front also. I sense, what certain disinterested parties might call, a pattern.
&lt;blockquote&gt; There is no increase in “variety” of seed due to the insertion of a gene cartridge by MONSANTO.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Lets think about this. Imagine we have Variety A. Then we insert a gene, and people get so terribly excited that they refuse to call it Variety A any more (which is kinda silly, but people on both sides do this for opposing reasons) – you now, as if by magic, have two varieties. Alas however I would have to agree with you on this point (although only so far as my blockquote above contains it – the GMO process doesn’t impact diversity at all (the insertion of a single gene is such a small change that I balk every time I see it described as a new variety (or even species!) whether this descriptor comes from anti or pro- GMO folk.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The known biodiversity of all common commercial crop plants is being limited by these processes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How exactly? This makes no sense. Once a transgene is inserted into one variety it is not locked there forever, it is true that only a single instance of transformation (or event) is covered by deregulation, but the key to commercially successful GMOs is the introgression of this transgene into as many varieties as is possible, you don’t get rid of anything that works, you breed the transgene in. There is often this bizarre idea floating around the sidelines that somehow all Bt corn is the same, all RR Soy the same – this is absurd. If it were the case RR and Bt would have died a spectacular death in the first couple of years of commercialization, or would, at least, have been so geographically limited as to offer no real financial reward to the companies producing them. As things stand the RR trait is licensed broadly and introgressed into a wide range of varieties – Pioneer corn is still pioneer corn even with the RR trait, DeKalb corn is still DeKalb, Syngenta is still Syngenta – the breeding populations used to produced these brands are all closely guarded secrets of the respective companies (one does not discuss parentage of hybrids outside of closed doors) and are kept as diverse as is plausible by massive organizations of breeders who happily pass material from asia to Europe to the US to Latin America with not one thought of genetically modifying a damn thing (in the sense which is meaningful to most people, they are, of course, genetically modifying the plants, but by traditional and molecular breeding)

&lt;blockquote&gt; Our ability to grow crops in the face of changing climatological conditions is being reduced, not enhanced by GMO &lt;/blockquote&gt;

As evidenced by what exactly? The above piece illustrates that reduction in varieties being caused by GMOs is false. The results from the Droughtguard hybrids certainly illustrate that there is a yield gain to be seen under limited water conditions (above and beyond what breeding can achieve). Pam’s own work illustrates that GM could impart flooding tolerance in rice (thankfully this was also achieved by breeding, but that needn’t have necessarily been the case)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normal disclaimer up front, I’m a Monsanto employee, my musings here are entirely the product of the weird sack of meat contained within my skull and not the views of big M.<br />
Brad Gottshall : &#8211; </p>
<blockquote><p>There is no evidence GMO crops have increased yield as compared to crops produced by non-GMO seed. </p></blockquote>
<p>Even the UCS report “failure to yield” calls you a liar in this respect, even a biased surreality based group like the UCS had to concede a (if I remember the figure correctly) 4-5% increase in yield attributable to Bt in corn in the US.</p>
<blockquote><p>here is no evidence of GMO cropping systems reducing the amount of disease in a field</p></blockquote>
<p>I am sure the growers of GMO papaya (virus resistant) are puzzled by your assertion.</p>
<blockquote><p> most certainly no evidence of GMO crops being drought resistant</p></blockquote>
<p>Because last years on farm trials of Monsanto’s droughtguard product  simply didn’t happen. And it isn’t being scaled up this year. And it didn’t beat out Pioneer’s offering (which is the product of breeding and not GM). Hang on wait a moment, all those things happened. It’s almost like you’re totally wrong on this front also. I sense, what certain disinterested parties might call, a pattern.</p>
<blockquote><p> There is no increase in “variety” of seed due to the insertion of a gene cartridge by MONSANTO.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lets think about this. Imagine we have Variety A. Then we insert a gene, and people get so terribly excited that they refuse to call it Variety A any more (which is kinda silly, but people on both sides do this for opposing reasons) – you now, as if by magic, have two varieties. Alas however I would have to agree with you on this point (although only so far as my blockquote above contains it – the GMO process doesn’t impact diversity at all (the insertion of a single gene is such a small change that I balk every time I see it described as a new variety (or even species!) whether this descriptor comes from anti or pro- GMO folk.</p>
<blockquote><p>The known biodiversity of all common commercial crop plants is being limited by these processes.</p></blockquote>
<p>How exactly? This makes no sense. Once a transgene is inserted into one variety it is not locked there forever, it is true that only a single instance of transformation (or event) is covered by deregulation, but the key to commercially successful GMOs is the introgression of this transgene into as many varieties as is possible, you don’t get rid of anything that works, you breed the transgene in. There is often this bizarre idea floating around the sidelines that somehow all Bt corn is the same, all RR Soy the same – this is absurd. If it were the case RR and Bt would have died a spectacular death in the first couple of years of commercialization, or would, at least, have been so geographically limited as to offer no real financial reward to the companies producing them. As things stand the RR trait is licensed broadly and introgressed into a wide range of varieties – Pioneer corn is still pioneer corn even with the RR trait, DeKalb corn is still DeKalb, Syngenta is still Syngenta – the breeding populations used to produced these brands are all closely guarded secrets of the respective companies (one does not discuss parentage of hybrids outside of closed doors) and are kept as diverse as is plausible by massive organizations of breeders who happily pass material from asia to Europe to the US to Latin America with not one thought of genetically modifying a damn thing (in the sense which is meaningful to most people, they are, of course, genetically modifying the plants, but by traditional and molecular breeding)</p>
<blockquote><p> Our ability to grow crops in the face of changing climatological conditions is being reduced, not enhanced by GMO </p></blockquote>
<p>As evidenced by what exactly? The above piece illustrates that reduction in varieties being caused by GMOs is false. The results from the Droughtguard hybrids certainly illustrate that there is a yield gain to be seen under limited water conditions (above and beyond what breeding can achieve). Pam’s own work illustrates that GM could impart flooding tolerance in rice (thankfully this was also achieved by breeding, but that needn’t have necessarily been the case)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crop Wars: Discover magazine and the anti-GMO movement by Kate</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/03/08/crop-wars-discover-magazine-and-the-anti-gmo-movement/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gluten is NOT a poison, Cooper Crumbwell. Some people happen to be intolerant to it, but that does not make it a poison. It is naturally occurring and there is nothing wrong with that. In the &quot;old days&quot; people ate plenty of gluten, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gluten is NOT a poison, Cooper Crumbwell. Some people happen to be intolerant to it, but that does not make it a poison. It is naturally occurring and there is nothing wrong with that. In the &#8220;old days&#8221; people ate plenty of gluten, too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seeds for Change: The Need for Stress Tolerant Crops in Central America by Valerie Tescher-Elgenedy</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2012/08/04/seeds-for-change-the-need-for-stress-tolerant-crops-in-central-america/#comment-2955</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie Tescher-Elgenedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 01:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, in search of a solution the genetic diversity of crops is destroyed for clones which have the same genetic make-up, basically no buffer for any biological attack?  There are other motions to be taken towards sustainability and this will not solve the problems in the long term, only enhance them.   I hope this project does not encourage monocropping also because that does nothing but deplete the soil.  How much were global economic factors considered?  I am suspicious of this article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in search of a solution the genetic diversity of crops is destroyed for clones which have the same genetic make-up, basically no buffer for any biological attack?  There are other motions to be taken towards sustainability and this will not solve the problems in the long term, only enhance them.   I hope this project does not encourage monocropping also because that does nothing but deplete the soil.  How much were global economic factors considered?  I am suspicious of this article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seeds for Change: The Need for Stress Tolerant Crops in Central America by Week 4:2 &#124; Unhatingtheworld</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2012/08/04/seeds-for-change-the-need-for-stress-tolerant-crops-in-central-america/#comment-2953</link>
		<dc:creator>Week 4:2 &#124; Unhatingtheworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 23:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2012/08/04/seeds-for-change-the-need-for-stress-tolerant-crop... GMO&#8217;s scare me so much.  Not only would they increase our dependency on industrial agricultural technologies to grow the food that keeps us alive, technologies that often rely on fossil fuels, but GMO&#8217;s also fall short to the &#8220;Law of Unintended Consequences&#8221;.  If we use GMO&#8217;s to out-compete naturally selected plant varieties, the stability that biodiversity provides for the environment will be lost, and who knows what else. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2012/08/04/seeds-for-change-the-need-for-stress-tolerant-crop" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2012/08/04/seeds-for-change-the-need-for-stress-tolerant-crop</a>&#8230; GMO&#8217;s scare me so much.  Not only would they increase our dependency on industrial agricultural technologies to grow the food that keeps us alive, technologies that often rely on fossil fuels, but GMO&#8217;s also fall short to the &#8220;Law of Unintended Consequences&#8221;.  If we use GMO&#8217;s to out-compete naturally selected plant varieties, the stability that biodiversity provides for the environment will be lost, and who knows what else. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crop Wars: Discover magazine and the anti-GMO movement by Vinay Kumar Baranwal</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/03/08/crop-wars-discover-magazine-and-the-anti-gmo-movement/#comment-2944</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinay Kumar Baranwal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 04:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to cite here Dr. Norman Borlaug. He mentioned that traditional breeding in itself is a method which brings about subtle changes in the genome of the introgression lines. Transgenic approaches are a cleaner way to do the same. Talking beyond the political and economical issues, transgenics could be harnessed beyond the reasonable doubt to serve millions and billions of the starving populations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to cite here Dr. Norman Borlaug. He mentioned that traditional breeding in itself is a method which brings about subtle changes in the genome of the introgression lines. Transgenic approaches are a cleaner way to do the same. Talking beyond the political and economical issues, transgenics could be harnessed beyond the reasonable doubt to serve millions and billions of the starving populations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crop Wars: Discover magazine and the anti-GMO movement by Cooper Crumbwell Jr.</title>
		<link>http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstable/2013/03/08/crop-wars-discover-magazine-and-the-anti-gmo-movement/#comment-2943</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooper Crumbwell Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 00:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not see the problem here. Monsanto basically runs the world. It is time we got rid of that company and banned GMO crap for good. No more gluten. No more aspartame, no more high fructose corn syrup, no more sodium fluoride, no more sodium laurel sulfate. No more aluminum nitrate. No more crap to posion people with. Let&#039;s ban it all and go back to the old way of doing things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see the problem here. Monsanto basically runs the world. It is time we got rid of that company and banned GMO crap for good. No more gluten. No more aspartame, no more high fructose corn syrup, no more sodium fluoride, no more sodium laurel sulfate. No more aluminum nitrate. No more crap to posion people with. Let&#8217;s ban it all and go back to the old way of doing things.</p>
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