pink https://scienceblogs.com/ en Weekend Diversion: The Physics of Flamingos https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/10/05/weekend-diversion-the-physics-of-flamingoes <span>Weekend Diversion: The Physics of Flamingos</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>“Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.” -<em>Jack Handy</em></p></blockquote> <link href="https://googledrive.com/host/0B_k_F1io7Ljsc0tMNndjTnNJWWM" rel="stylesheet" /> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.6/jquery.min.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="https://googledrive.com/host/0B_k_F1io7LjsRVZHY1dJUFpKdTg"></script><p>The diversity of the world's animals is one of the most fantastic natural marvels that life on Earth has delivered. From the sea to land to the air, there's no shortage of wonders to explore. Today, though, I want to talk to you about one of the most bizarre sights of nature, as the 1989 supergroup <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_in_Numbers_(band)">Strength in Numbers</a> once played about, the</p> <p style="text-align: center;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Pink-Flamingos.mp3">Pink Flamingos</a>.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingos.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29457" alt="Image credit: Christine Pan of University of New Hampshire, via http://fermat.unh.edu/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingos-600x375.jpg" width="600" height="375" /></a> Image credit: Christine Pan of University of New Hampshire, via <a href="http://fermat.unh.edu/">http://fermat.unh.edu/</a>. </div> <p>These tropical birds are unusual -- from a physical perspective -- for a number of reasons:</p> <ul> <li>their long, skinny legs,</li> <li>their distinctive, pink color,</li> <li>and their long, flexible necks.</li> </ul> <p>But from a behavioral point of view, flamingoes are perhaps best-known for their unusual stance.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/DSC_0126.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29458" alt="Image credit: Sarah Seads of http://elmhealth.blogspot.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/DSC_0126-600x902.jpg" width="600" height="902" /></a> Image credit: Sarah Seads of <a href="http://elmhealth.blogspot.com/">http://elmhealth.blogspot.com/</a>. </div> <p>Flamingos typically feed by standing <em>both feet </em>in the water, muddying it to stir up seafloor creatures, and plunging their heads in to feed on algae, crustaceans, small fish, larvae and other tiny creatures. Shifting your feet to accomplish this requires both feet being in the water; flamingoes are not diving feeders like ducks are.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/galapagos-flamingo-feeding-_q8r7961-dragon-hill-santa-cruz-galapagos-nggid043346-ngg0dyn-800x0x100-00f0w010c010r110f110r010t010.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29459" alt="Image credit: Arthur Morris of http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/galapagos-flamingo-feeding-_q8r7961-dragon-hill-santa-cruz-galapagos-nggid043346-ngg0dyn-800x0x100-00f0w010c010r110f110r010t010-600x402.jpg" width="600" height="402" /></a> Image credit: Arthur Morris of <a href="http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/">http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/</a>. </div> <p>But when their beaks aren't plunging under the water, you'll almost never catch a flamingo with more than a single leg in the water unless it's cleaning itself.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingos-stand-on-one-leg-1.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-29460" alt="Image credit: Purestock / Getty Images, via http://animal.discovery.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingos-stand-on-one-leg-1.jpg" width="600" height="400" /></a> Image credit: Purestock / Getty Images, via <a href="http://animal.discovery.com/">http://animal.discovery.com/</a>. </div> <p>Some of the traits of flamingos are pretty easily explained, biologically and behaviorally. They <i>usually</i> (but not always) have a pink or red color based on the carotenoid pigments in the crustaceans and algae they eat; a dearth of this pigment results in paler, whiter flamingos.</p> <p>The long legs and long necks work in tandem, and it's easy to see why evolution would favor these traits in flamingos: the longer their legs and necks are, the deeper the waters they can reliably feed in. If shallow-water food becomes scarce, it's the long-legged-and-necked flamingos that survive.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingoeat_watermark.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29461" alt="Image credit: Fort Worth Zoo blog, via http://www.safarisamblog.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingoeat_watermark-600x648.jpg" width="600" height="648" /></a> Image credit: Fort Worth Zoo blog, via <a href="http://www.safarisamblog.com/">http://www.safarisamblog.com/</a>. </div> <p>But what's the deal with the standing on one leg? Flamingos spend a lot of their time in the water, and whenever they're there and <em>not</em> actively feeding, you can find them standing on just one leg, something that they even sometimes do when they're on dry land.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/one_legged_flamingos_by_eresaw-d5gca74.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29462" alt="Image credit: ©2012-2013 eReSaW, of deviantART, via http://eresaw.deviantart.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/one_legged_flamingos_by_eresaw-d5gca74-600x418.jpg" width="600" height="418" /></a> Image credit: ©2012-2013 eReSaW of deviantART, via <a href="http://eresaw.deviantart.com/">http://eresaw.deviantart.com/</a>. </div> <p>Why on <em>Earth</em> would it be advantageous for a flamingo to stand on one leg instead of two?</p> <p>Because <strong>physics</strong>, that's why!</p> <p>And it's physics that anyone who's ever been in the pool on a hot summer's day will understand all too well.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/coldkid.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29463" alt="Image credit: © Qmedia | http://Dreamstime.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/coldkid-600x761.jpg" width="600" height="761" /></a> Image credit: © Qmedia | <a href="http://Dreamstime.com/">http://Dreamstime.com/</a>. </div> <p>Humans, like all mammals and birds (including flamingos), are warm blooded, and tend to be hotter than their surrounding environment. If you place an object like a warm-blooded creature in water, however, they lose their body heat <strong>25 times faster</strong> than they do in air, and you lose that heat proportional to the amount of surface area in contact with it.</p> <p>For a human, if you put just one foot in water up to your ankle (about 4% of your body's surface area), you'll lose as much heat through that one foot as you will through the entire rest of your body, assuming it's exposed to air of an equal temperature.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/960x332-foot-in-water-26430848.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29464" alt="Image credit: Mountain Podiatry, via http://mountainpodiatry.net/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/960x332-foot-in-water-26430848-600x207.jpg" width="600" height="207" /></a> Image credit: Mountain Podiatry, via <a href="http://mountainpodiatry.net/">http://mountainpodiatry.net/</a>. </div> <p>So for a flamingo? That one leg that's in the water is losing body heat quickly, and given the large surface area of its foot, it could even comprise the <em>majority</em> of a flamingo's body heat loss.</p> <p>A flamingo that never learned to stand on one leg, that spent most of its time in the water with both legs immersed, would lose somewhere around 40-70% more body heat than a flamingo that <em>did</em> learn this behavior.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingos-2.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29466" alt="Image credit: Lilliput Review &amp; Issa's Untidy Hut, via http://lilliputreview.blogspot.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/flamingos-2-600x391.jpg" width="600" height="391" /></a> Image credit: Lilliput Review &amp; Issa's Untidy Hut, via <a href="http://lilliputreview.blogspot.com/">http://lilliputreview.blogspot.com/</a>. </div> <p>That means it's free to spend more time in the water, more time feeding, and enables it to have more chances for success at being a flamingo, <strong>just by standing on one leg</strong>. No wonder it's a behavior that gets passed down from flamingo-to-flamingo across the generations!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/zoomomandbaby_watermark-610x1024.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29465" alt="Image credit: Fort Worth Zoo blog, via http://www.safarisamblog.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/zoomomandbaby_watermark-610x1024-600x1007.jpg" width="600" height="1007" /></a> Image credit: Fort Worth Zoo blog, via <a href="http://www.safarisamblog.com/">http://www.safarisamblog.com/</a>. </div> <p>And that's one of the rare things in biology that we can figure out just thanks to some very simple physics! Hope you have a great weekend, and get to enjoy some of the wonders of the natural world. I'll see you back here for more about the Universe next week!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Sat, 10/05/2013 - 11:39</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/biology" hreflang="en">biology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/physics" hreflang="en">Physics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/random-stuff" hreflang="en">Random Stuff</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/flamingo" hreflang="en">flamingo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/flamingoes" hreflang="en">flamingoes</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/heat-transfer" hreflang="en">heat transfer</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/one-leg" hreflang="en">one leg</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pink" hreflang="en">pink</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/standing" hreflang="en">standing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/water" hreflang="en">water</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521910" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381017217"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>These calculations assume that the relative surface areas and patterns of blood-flow are the same for flamingo and human legs/feet, right? I would have thought that both are much lower in the flamingo - the legs look to be just bone, tendon and skin, with the musculature up high out of the water.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521910&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Vh5irF1TYdFzfi_pO_OmeYdZ_6gHa1e1WnXGSWGdfrs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rosie Redfield (not verified)</span> on 05 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521910">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521911" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381048253"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>indeed. I believe that flamingos standing in ice-cold water have a heat-exchange system; so cold blood coming up is warmed by warm blood going down. By the time the blood returns to the body it has gained ~20ºC, while the blood going down cools and has less heat to lose while in the ice cold water. (see: <a href="http://wiki.ggc.usg.edu/wiki/Heat_exchangers_and_thermoregulation_in_air-breathing_vertebrates">http://wiki.ggc.usg.edu/wiki/Heat_exchangers_and_thermoregulation_in_ai…</a>)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521911&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fXbWw5-z_fICZpB9xW6l_EoLWLw38iAYdqLuwpHSb2c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cian (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521911">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521912" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381050910"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Many, if not most birds stand on one leg much of the time. My parrot, for instance, sleeps on one foot. The pyhsics is two-fold; balance and heat. When I switched from skiing to snow boarding it hit me, a single moment through the body's centre of gravity is more stable and more fun in an unstable environment like a swaying branch or a top heavy animal in the wind. Also, I'd like to know, when it's hot out and a flamigo has to cool its body, does it still stand on one leg? I'm guessing it's usually hot out where flamingos live and that they nevertheless stand on one leg. If I'm right, the physics of balance is primary. When Rufus flies over from having perched for a spell, one of his feet is warm, the other cold. It may be they're thinking more of keeping their feet warm, one at time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521912&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ONtBAJ8vJChq_AJ4akg4yTEcUI8CeaDvWCCswn89VVg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Grant Loewen (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521912">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521913" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381071151"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nice explanation Ethan. Thanks.</p> <p>When you say, "a warm-blooded creature in water, however, they lose their body heat 25 times faster than they do in air, and you lose that heat proportional to the amount of surface area in contact with it."</p> <p>I assume that you mean something like the following. We burn 25 time more calories per minute in 80 degree F water than in air.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521913&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2xUWuypQZKJg60AVnIQSxGT8HiVrbxzbQX6cfZDMkcA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">OKThen (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521913">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521914" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381086854"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Flamingos have always fascinated me. I was a tiny tot in the west of India , place called Veraval (Kathiawar). These birds used to land on a beach not far from us, going to or from a destination . I think my mother said " on the way to Africa to lay their eggs ." Could you please inform me if this is correct etc .thank you in anticipation<br /> Yours sincerely ,<br /> Gillian Jones ..</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521914&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="89SdMaQnbzIF4SdGgqqB-LDj7uaX81S2VwYEaX6UXRE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gillian Jones (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521914">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521915" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381092262"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am an avid birder and I have seen almost all shorebirds and wading birds do this some time or the other. I saw these Willets do this just a few weeks ago (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/avkulkarni/9765112824/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/avkulkarni/9765112824/</a>).<br /> I have even seen gulls and ducks do it sometimes, but I never knew the exact reason. Next time I see this, I will keep an eye open to see if the temperature of air or water is especially colder than normal.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521915&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ih0FFJAX5o9N7V9VLfgRFSsJdSyN1h-h6J9rzI-qhLo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Amit Kulkarni (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521915">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521916" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381111768"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I assume that you mean something like the following. We burn 25 time more calories per minute in 80 degree F water than in air."</p> <p>No, our body has a maximum burn rate and the reason why people die in water even if rather warm (e.g. 21C) is because we can't produce energy quick enough to keep our core temperature within requirements.</p> <p>We'd burn 2-3x as much by increasing our metabolic rate but lose 80x as much (then reducing the loss because our surface body temperature is dropping fast).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521916&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xdQzxyeUghJ6PYIxPW-cgl9b-xPIUJlvXVqLRzMGyNs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521916">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521917" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381116478"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow<br /> Aah. Makes sense. thanks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521917&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z8v4b67G3KRbtp1uhb-VoCI_Io0JVl-hxhVwdy_0CAg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">OKThen (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521917">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521918" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381125750"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>... and if you are as old as I am, and ever had the privilege of seeing the group Jethro Tull in concert, you can never look at a flamingo without thinking of their leader, flautist Ian Anderson.</p> <p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Tull_flute_pose_sil.jpg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Tull_flute_pose_sil.jpg</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521918&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CTFOju8DbIdD0jtzpxFdAc7gaYkdwsQTqs_Vl2wOIz8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Patrick Dennis (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521918">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521919" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381159840"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>so now the question is: are they right and left footed?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521919&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9LnIIlDxro-5m6Ng_TAtFNYHMX4QlNoGl-kS6jZuXe0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">robb (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521919">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521920" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381159901"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>i have seen Jethro Tull twice. I know what you mean Patrick!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521920&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pp2LJCmPDHsHyfhF7AP9sfpKGJUr8vXYheakcStAcEE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">robb (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521920">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521921" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381183199"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ OKThen</p> <p>in other words.. you can still get hypothermia and not loose weight :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521921&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YLW5NrXBUejwqIXaf9j4uJfYWf6zD72PgW32J6BfkTM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521921">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521922" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381183760"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The heat exchange theory is most popular, but i've heard others, since flamingos are not the only ones (all crane family birds do).. even some ducks. </p> <p>One is they shut down half of their brains when resting. Other is it eliviates the strain on heart to pump blood.</p> <p>One thing to note is that birds will stand on one leg even when not in water, and even in desert temperatures (ibis birds)... so who knows.. they just might like it that way :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521922&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XZpWSLDUUmyKLv7bA6LtLao7d8oaLgMUCEQSgr0--4w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521922">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521923" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381197922"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Try working on your feet all day.</p> <p>If you could stand on one foot for ages at a time, you'd do it..!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521923&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XZwfS7o_QUai5mo7NJqCmVloXBUH8KUCZSDC1-beLcQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521923">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521924" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381204051"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Given the habitats that most flamingos prefer (shallow salt flats in tropical environments), I rather suspect that there's something more going on here as well. They are probably more worried about overheating a good deal of the time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521924&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7omyrSFvMRokjvO1_kcF6OwqHxc4jCYZUBTWXdtgdWg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">psweet (not verified)</span> on 07 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521924">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521925" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381206987"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sinisia:<br /> </p><blockquote>One thing to note is that birds will stand on one leg even when not in water, and even in desert temperatures (ibis birds)… so who knows.. they just might like it that way </blockquote> <p>"They might just like it" could in fact be the adaptation - the <i>mechanism</i> that produces the <i>result</i> of better heat retention.</p> <p>Evolution doesn't necessarily produce highly specific solutions to highly specific problems. Given the heat exchange issue Ethan discusses, I can see how a behavioral tendency to stand on one leg <i>in general</i> would probably be a positive adaptation. Indeed, the "sloppiness" of the adaptation (in that the birds don't seem to realize when it benefits them and when it doesn't) is pretty much what we might expect, if standing on one leg on land is not dangerous or does not cost a lot of energy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521925&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IZnIhslZQcTgSNa1pbuFYq9SEmGonY0_58NVwvzmMBg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">eric (not verified)</span> on 08 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521925">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521926" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381232361"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ eric</p> <p>interesting viewpoint. haven't looked at it from that perspective. you might very well be right. a habit born out of real issue.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521926&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="y7acucouyBjUJIxZPd_DzuggW4yoI2-bYMnyZvw7ha4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 08 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521926">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521927" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381276583"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Not just birds. I think horses both stand and sleep with one hind leg gently resting on the point of its hoof, with all the weight on the other.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521927&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vts6_yzL4L4pXY-H06CJvmyheLUH9xdHhxwCpGUFIEM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David L (not verified)</span> on 08 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521927">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521928" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381290065"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And humans do the same - you rarely stand with both legs bearing the same weight, usually one leg is straight and the other is slightly bent and only used for balance. Changing the used leg is good because standing still for too long puts strain on the cartilage in your joints (which deform time-dependently under constant load and also don't get a supply of nutriants when compressed); it might also help with fatigue in our muscles (the latter is not a problem for horses AFAIK since they have a locking mechanism that arrests the joint).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521928&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hvoFNa3jPXRXXV38LhJcigl7LCt3A_CLlKnNhVajnkc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MartinB (not verified)</span> on 08 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521928">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521929" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381411744"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Question: What about penguins? Do they stand on the Snow on one foot or two?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521929&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-9Z61mXM2v2AzMXnP9P9pBmo5G2l2TQzIG3psKNFEdc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CPeterka (not verified)</span> on 10 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521929">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521930" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1381463101"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Two, but mostly because they need to keep the egg off the ice. Since their feet aren't egg-cup shaped, that requires two feet to create a channel that stops the egg moving off the safe location and onto the deathly cold ice.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521930&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="926UdoucsmX2285QQOhibenP_GjngGFhQY_I_zqjTPo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 10 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521930">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521931" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1382081305"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>#5 Gillian Jones</p> <p>I think your old lady is right, I've seen flamingos up the Great Rift Valley, and I believe the have a migratory pattern that takes them to India...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521931&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QLyfvdGu8s-2Zjn_S5XL6l1FYmn0feiWbAXmZvujr5A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Timothy Kelvin Holmes">Timothy Kelvin… (not verified)</span> on 18 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1521931">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2013/10/05/weekend-diversion-the-physics-of-flamingoes%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sat, 05 Oct 2013 15:39:41 +0000 esiegel 35709 at https://scienceblogs.com Pink Attack! https://scienceblogs.com/casaubonsbook/2012/08/09/pink-attack <span>Pink Attack!</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't think I really recognized how much stuff I've avoided dealing with by only having boys until I read _Cinderella Ate My Daughter_ by Peggy Orenstein.  You see, despite the fact that I joke about living in the testosterone house, or being the only female in a house of guys (until C. and K. recently returned to their family, there were 8 males and me - now we're down to a mellow six males), my boys are growing up in a household without much in the way of rigid gender roles, or their toys.    Given the combination of no girls and no tv, I am only vaguely aware of phenomena like Miley Cyrus or Disney Princesses.  I had no idea that the Princess dresses were color coded, or that Princesses were a thing in and of themselves.  I do have nieces, but I'm insulated from the day-to-day girl thing.</p> <p>Still, sooner or later, taking big sibling groups, I'm bound to get a girl or two, and the few I've had have provided an education of sorts.  Three year old K. came with a "Barbie' (actually one of those pouty Bratz knock offs), and didn't understand why I have no Barbies - it was a big deal, she was having a REALLY BAD DAY when she came to me, and dammit, she needed to play some Barbies.  I don't love Barbie, but when a child arrives with belt marks and hysterical fear that you too will beat her, Barbies are the least of my worries - in fact, if a Disney Princess or a Barbie can make a child feel that this is a pleasant and safe place to be, heck, I'm for it.</p> <p>Since then, I've actually been keeping an eye out for used Barbie dolls, especially non-white ones (will barter books for your old ones, btw, please drop me a line), because while I don't love Barbie, I don't feel that addressing gender stereotypes is my first priority with foster kids - usually we have to deal with food, safety, trauma and other things first.  There's time enough later on for me to talk about the limited merits of bazongas the size of Tahiti.   So I am slowingly accumulating nice dolls and clothes for them, Barbies and glittery dress up clothes - things in short supply previously at my home (I will barter books for any of these items if you have old ones in good shape that you'd like to get rid of - I am particularly interested in non-white dolls).</p> <p>Because I have no actual daughters, and the kids who come to me are pretty traumatized, I have a sort of peripheral relationship to the question of princessiness - by the time they get to me, life is so hard for them that I don't actually care very much about what subtle messages about body image and self-worth that may be sent to the kids - I'm too busy taping them back together from the big destruction of their self-worth - neglect, abuse, separation from their families.  First we have to get to "you are a person who doesn't deserve to be hurt" before we can approach "you are a person whose self-worth should not be focused on appearance."</p> <p>That does not, however, mean those issues aren't real, or don't have a real place in my future thoughts about daughters.  In fact, kids who have been traumatized are more vulnerable to consumer culture that tells them they are valueless except what they wear/have/own.  Girls who have been in foster care have demonstrably worse relationships to body image and self worth, and are prone to all the bad outcomes.  But that's for the long term, and at this point I've had no girls for more than 5 days, so all I can do is put band-aids on and send them home with some toys and clothes.  The rest comes over time - hopefully I'll have the opportunity to get there someday with kids who stay.</p> <p>What was revealing to me about _Cinderella Ate my Daughter_ was not just how gendered and commercialized girlhood has become (I had no idea, since we almost never buy any toy new, that there were pink versions of just about every toy and game), but the degree to which, in my single-gendered household, we never worry about girl-boy markers.  Even with foster children who grew up in very different family cultures than mine, there is rarely more than a quick question - for example, the bedroom that most of our kids have lived in includes a toy kitchen.  Asher, C. and K. spent a lot of time preparing plastic sushi and wooden salads for me.  C. did ask whether the kitchen was only for girls, but when I pointed out that there aren't any here, he was happy to play with it.  In a home where there are specific markers for boy and girl, that might have been harder to get him to do so.  And that would have been a pity.</p> <p>In fact, we have a lot of "girl" toys and always have.  Both Isaiah and Asher went through phases of loving the color pink (for a while when I would say "Asher likes pink" Asher would correct me - he'd say "Mooooom...I don't LIKE pink, I AM pink." ) I loved that , and was sorry to see them age out of it.  Before they did, however, we had a large collection of pink pajamas, a pink Fisher-Price castle, a pink bat and ball, a pink soccer ball, a pink-and-purple bike and a bunch of pink bedding.</p> <p>We also have boys who love and collect stuffed animals (and play with them), and a  son who went through a stage of addiction to the American Girl books (only the books, he was never interested in the dolls, sadly, but we own almost all the books).  My oldest doesn't care about or recognize gender difference at all due to his autism, the other three only barely do (Simon's response when I had to explain why even though his friend pulled up his shirt, he couldn't do the same to her, because of the differences between boy flat chests and girl flat chests..."Seriously?  That's really stupid, Mom, but ok.")  When foster children have asserted gender differences to my kids, they have generally been dismissive, (No, that's not for girls, boys can play with anything they want) and it comes out very differently when it is kids talking to other kids, rather than an attempt by adults to lecture.  The combination of homeschooling and never having any reason to say "Oh, that's because he's a boy" means that we've just managed to skip over a certain amount of gendered stuff.</p> <p>Despite the pink phase, we never had princesses, and I didn't realize how ubiquitous they were.  I don't have any princessy memories of my own childhood at all.  I was a classic tomboy in many respects but I liked dolls and dresses, but I just don't remember being obsessed with pink, with sparkling and dressing up like a princess.  I honestly don't remember identifying with princess characters in movies I saw, either.  Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, yes, the heroine in _East of the Sun, West of the Moon_, sure, but princesses?  It just doesn't ring a bell.  I remember not liking the color pink very much as a kid either - I liked bright green and orange (I still do), and as a preteen, black (of course), but pink?</p> <p>There isn't much that doesn't come in pink now.  I had noticed this vaguely as I built up a collection of girl clothes - I instinctively prefer colors other than pastels, and pink is not a fave, but an awful lot of the clothes I found were pink.  I noticed it most when I found an occasional item in a primary color that I loved - a size four green and black shirt with bird designs, a bright red and purple sweater, a yellow and cream jacket...that is, I would notice how little color choice there was mostly when I saw something that wasn't pink or purple.  Now there might be more out there - I don't shop new, but you couldn't tell from my stash.</p> <p>I also noticed the ummm..hootchie factor.  Looking at a size six girl's shirt and a size six boy's shirt, there is only about half as much fabric in the former as the latter.  While a lot of friends and readers who sent me clothes for my foster stash clearly had taste similar to mine, I got some truly horrifying stuff - short-shorts with the name of a store on the butt (for a four year old!), midriff cut shirts that said "bad girl," even a set of girl's winter boots for a six year old that had high heels.  When receiving bags of outgrown clothing I've always had a "over my dead body" bag, but for the most part it was limited to a few commercial tie ins, NASCAR and militaristic stuff for my boys.  With girl stuff the bag got full fast and the language go stronger "over my dead and rotting corpse" was more like it.  Some kids in foster care have been sexually abused and the last thing they need to deal with is a lack of bodily privacy and commodification at too young an age.  Sometimes as much stuff went as came in - no matter how badly I might need clothes, I have my limits.</p> <p>Peggy Orenstein documents how everything is pink, talks about the messages all that princessy stuff and the adjuncts send, etc...and the problem of consumer culture and its pinkization of everything.  It is a brilliant marketing scheme, because, of course, a family that has a daughter and buys a pink baseball bat will inevitably buy a regular one when they have a son - if girls have to have everything pink, you can sell twice as much.  She does a laudable job showing how even the better options, in that they are less sexualized, (American Girl, for example) really create a commodified girlhood in which mothers and daughters don't so much do together as buy together.</p> <p>Where I think Orenstein doesn't quite go far enough is in her fundamental critique of consumer culture, although she does go a fair ways, back and forth, always with analysis and self-doubt.  Women are the primary drivers of American consumer culture, influencing or directly making almost 80% of all purchases.  Orenstein gets that consumer culture is a big part of the problem, but she doesn't see it as a soluble problem - the answer is to make better stuff for girls that isn't so sexist or sexualized - to make a truly less frou-frou legos like this (from 1981)<a href="/files/casaubonsbook/files/2012/08/Lego-ad.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1269" title="Lego-ad" src="http://scienceblogs.com/casaubonsbook/files/2012/08/Lego-ad-236x300.jpg" alt="" width="236" height="300" /></a>:</p> <p>Ultimately I'm not convinced you can have any kind of functional relationship with consumer culture - even though, of course, I have one.  I live in large measure off the waste of industrial society, a waste that will probably dry up some day.  Orenstein quotes a an industry exec at a toy marketing conference as saying, to her question "Do you have to have all this pink?": "Only if you want to make money."  She points out that the constant fragmentation of children into ever-smaller groups that require different clothes, toys, etc... is part unlikely to stop - she observes that "toddlerhood" was not initially a psychological concept, but a marketing one to get people to buy gendered clothing earlier.  Psychologists took it up, but it was based on marketing - a similar phenomenon to the emergence of "tweens" and (ugh) "pre-tweens."  The more you divide, the more you buy.  The more different boys and girls and boys and girls of different ages are markered out to be, the more you sell.</p> <p>I have a theory about the pinkization myself.  Femininity used to be commodified by giving children the cultural markers of feminine WORK - little girls got toy kitchens, baby dolls, toy brooms, toy houses.  Domestic labor was what marked out womanhood.  This definitely sucked in some ways, if instead of the erector set you got a toy wash basin, and you really wanted the erector set, but the cool thing about it was that you told little girls that in some measure they were being defined by their competence.  Yes, it was a limited sphere.  No, the "you can't have an erector set because you are a girl" is wrong.  But in trying to end the "the only work you can do is girl work" we replaced it with "girls don't do anything different, so you have to define yourself in other measures - by how you look and what color you wear."</p> <p>Now it is color, certain categories of uber-femme stuff (glitter, dresses, fairy wings, etc...).  As Orenstein rightly points out, there are periods in girlhood when gender is an extremely rigid concept for children, because they are just emerging from an idea that it might be fluid, that they might actually change gender by trying out other-gendered stuff.  But because we have so systematically devalued women's work of all kinds, and domestic labor, categorizing it as largely worthless, we've had to invent a new category of "female" - she's pretty in pink.  That's how you tell you are a female.</p> <p>Now as we all know, I think domestic labor should be shared across genders - and I live that conviction, as does my husband and sons.  But I also think traditional women's work has tremendous cultural value and impact - that the externalization and loss of domestic labor has been an economic and ecological disaster for the planet.  While domestic work shouldn't only be feminine, if you ask me whether I'd rather my daughter have a shirt that says "little hottie" on it and a makeover birthday party at 7. or a toy kitchen and a baby doll to rock, well, I don't find that too tough a question.  When we threw out and devalued domestic labor, we set the stage for the uber-pink world in which a girl's cuteness is all.</p> <p>That's why I so loathe the category of children's book that begins "Our heroine Fuffynooners is a spirited girl who despite growing up in the Colonial/Medieval/whatever era, hates to sew and knit, but really likes to rescue slaves on horseback from the underground railroad."  Besides the unbelievable picture of history they paint, I find it repulsive that in a culture where not knowing how to sew a seam is the norm, sewing is still being used as a metaphor for "oppression."  Female domestic labor could be and often was liberating for women - a way of expressing themselves, a place they could succeed.  While it sucks to be tied to a thimble only at the cost of education, and it is worth teaching children about that history, do we really need to convince young women that being spunky and spirited mostly means being cute and refusing to learn to take care of domestic life?</p> <p>In the end, we devalued and sexualized girls to make money.  We also devalued and erased domestic labor to make money - that is, it is much more profitable for the larger economy to have you eat out than to cook, to have you throw out those ripped jeans than repair them, and to buy a pink and a blue scrabble set.  By tying domestic labor, rather than social attitudes to gender repression, and making one the marker of the other, we made sure that plenty of money would be made both on girls who have no real work, no valuable skills to attach to their identity as girls (other than making themselves pretty), and that their mothers too would be set free to earn the money in the formal economy to buy them their tiaras.</p> <p>The irony of this is that I still am looking for non-white Barbie dolls, I still need a couple of glittery tiaras, and I am keeping an eye on Craigslist for used American girl dolls.  If I gave birth to a girl (not bloody gonna happen), I might have a chance of avoiding the princess thing entirely, but the kids who come to me have pasts, and as I said, Barbie is way down on the list of things to worry about.  But to my mind, what kids need is not the absence of that pink stuff, but something affirmative that they can do that identifies them as girls - that doesn't mean it has to be the exclusive territory of girls, but even historical categories of women's work give kids something to do, rather than buy.  Making doll clothes for  tarty 9 inch fashion dolls was my earliest sewing project, recognizing that as Orenstein notes, Princesses don't really DO anything, but women, well, not only do we do all sorts of non-gendered things, but there are cool historical categories like fiber arts and home cooking, that while not exclusively female, were pioneered by women and that can mark you as the inheritor of a kind of important femininity.</p> <p>As we all know, the planet cannot support a world where every kid has to have their own colored toys, and four billion of them.  All frou-frou is not bad (I'm not an especially frou-frou person, but even I like it sometimes) but no kid needs an all pink and glitter world.  More importantly, the things we threw out in redefining girlhood and womanhood are things we're going to need - and scramble to get back.</p> <p>How will this actually play out?  Who knows, and if they keep sending me more boys, well, I may never know.  I'll keep you all updated.</p> <p>Sharon</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/sastyk" lang="" about="/author/sastyk" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sastyk</a></span> <span>Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:43</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/uncategorized" hreflang="en">Uncategorized</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/boys" hreflang="en">boys</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gender" hreflang="en">gender</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/girls" hreflang="en">girls</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/peggy-orenstein" hreflang="en">Peggy Orenstein</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pink" hreflang="en">pink</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/princesses" hreflang="en">Princesses</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887066" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344532533"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My daughter got me a Barbie when i announced my transition; she's standing on the dresser, issues and all. Raise her arm and she makes tinkly sounds, so she's not for obsessive-soundmaker-sensitive households. Kid (now 27) would be proud to see her donated to such a cause, so if she fits the need, message/mail me a mailing address (I've lost it, I'm sure) and she will be on her way.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887066&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uIuZiBOuqUGE4zxkmRlo9teaj_KjoF6OxQF1A04QbB8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">risa (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887066">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887067" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344534768"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't have Barbies of color here right now, but I'll be on the lookout for you. I can, however, send off some Barbie outfits for your kiddos. Please send me an email with shipping info!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887067&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vr7jA-ASVf0F6ZpJmCRFLmmTT2l7zmzjJpsWlMwWKHc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">kari (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887067">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887068" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344535767"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Regarding clothing for toddlers and preschoolers, Chad Orzel of Uncertain Principles has noted on multiple occasions that he normally buys boys' clothes for his daughter, "SteelyKid". The reason is not so much the princessification of the girls' clothes (although he and his wife do not much care for that, either) as his observation that boys' clothes tend to be better constructed and more durable. That's an important consideration for active children, so you shouldn't be afraid to offer girls of that age boys' clothes (whether they would be willing to wear those clothes is a separate question).</p> <p>Chad isn't too far from where you are (he is also in the Capital Region of New York), so it might be worth your while to get in touch. It's probably too soon to ask him for castoffs, though, because SteelyKid has a younger brother, "The Pip". (The kids' pseudonyms come from his calling his house Chateau Steelypips; you'll have to ask him about the origin of that name.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887068&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Txuym6VwvjOC8DK2kde7MeOcxWxZJC2x197egA9bpGs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887068">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887069" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344535860"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fascinating post! I'm new mom to a baby daughter and while I was concerned about some of these issues before, now they've taken on sudden meaning for me. I will have to be dealing with the pinkness and cuteness and (sigh) hawtness for years! I think I might look that book up on interlibrary loan... but I especially love the insight you pointed out, into the connection between devaluing domestic work and devaluing/commercializing/sexing up femininity. I might have to think on that one for a while. How am I going to foster the awesome kind of femininity while avoiding the commercialized kind? Well, by buying a lot less stuff, obviously, and maybe I'll teach her to knit just like my grandma taught me. If I have a boy in future, I'll teach him to knit too. </p> <p>Side note: the overwhelming pink/purpleness of girl clothing has not gotten any better. It really annoyed my husband particularly, so we have gotten in the habit of buying any non-pink and non-purple clothing for her we see at garage sales. There's a green and blue dress with whales I particularly like. Blue was MY favorite color when I was small and I was always annoyed that it was supposed to be a "boy color."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887069&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PxuyH21JhvbnQYdglYU0B4cMCyC8tluCtDpJFKQww64"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Katharine T (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887069">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887070" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344536142"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Raising two boys, I’ve also been able to view the pink bizarro universe from a safer distance. And while some days I thank the chromosome gods that they didn’t give me girls, I have tried to take a close look at the impacts of gender stereotyping on my own sons – though they both seem pretty oblivious.</p> <p>At the risk of over-generalizing, it seems to me that girl gender-stereotyping tends toward the “be this!” (e.g. pink; princessy; friend-obsessed and shoppy) whereas boy gender-stereotyping tends toward the “don’t be that!” That is, most boys (and mine seem to fall into this camp) don’t notice impacts of gender stereotyping, because most of (or at least enough of) their interests or habits don’t fall into the categories that send up those red flags. (The boys who want to dress up in pink or obsess about who their best friends are, are almost certainly going to run into some serious conflict – they certainly did in my day.) I suspect that girls are more likely to feel the impacts, just because there is so much more terrain that falls outside the norm of girliness, and so much more potential to “get it wrong.”</p> <p>I think gender stereotyping is destructive to people who don’t “fit the stereotype” regardless of whether they are boys or girls, but in pure numerical terms it means a lot more girls than boys are facing serious pressure to contort themselves. </p> <p>Consumerism is built on the twin pillars of desire and anxiety, and the only mystery is why they haven’t done a better job of traumatizing little boys’ childhoods as an engine for sales.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887070&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qOg0yYvGsh3eTA8cThZ0xq1iVtjfLFVfqW_JYCfwsCQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andy Brown (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887070">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887071" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344538459"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Preach it, Sharon!</p> <p>Eric's observation that boy's clothes are built better than girl's clothes is unfortunately not limited to children's clothing. Women's clothing is typically twice as expensive and less well constructed than even bargain basement mens clothing. It's rather obscene. If I could get away with fitting into mens clothes I would.</p> <p>Growing up I never saw any of this. The only princess around was Snow White, and she doesn't do much and I still to this day haven't seen the whole movie. I wore my brother's hand-me-downs, mostly. We did the same chores other than he always had to mow the lawn and I never did, and I think I did a lot more canning and cooking although he helped some. It was absolutely not a progressive household, but never was there anything explicit about the value of those chores. (Other than my brother could mow lawns for cash and I couldn't.) The only instance I recall was some fuss at school when I demanded to take shop and they couldn't come up with a reason why not.</p> <p>As a middle aged woman, I'm glad that my brain wasn't filled with messages about what I could or could not be due to my sex, but from puberty to about 35 it was very hard not being savvy to the culture everyone else was. In some ways being acculturated and exposed to the mainstream is important... even if the mainstream is, well, wrong.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887071&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tzqBq2evH5-1LRxOI2QQyyXOPj0ViqwPhNHUuyI4yf8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Nicole (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887071">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887072" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344539755"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, I hate heroines that reject cooking and sewing, too. That is why I do not make a fuss about the occasional pink toy or princess play. I don't want my daughter to feel that there are things she isn't supposed to be, or allowed to be, interested in.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887072&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6TQQPcR8jM5hb4zVebCYl2tbQFGu08tfc9wOyNIXsVY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mmm (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887072">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887073" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344539968"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've got one princess obsessed lover of pink...although in her case I think she's really held on to the pink princessy thing because her brother thinks it's awful and never misses an opportunity to say so. On the other hand, she doesn't want everything pink...just a few items we color code for convenience (our blue, yellow, orange, pink, and purple toothbrushes, for example). In fant, now that I think about it, she claims a lot of fondness for pink to rub the older brother's face in it, but when she's actually selecting clothes from her extensive collection of extended family hand me downs, she tends to select bright greenish blues and red. I worry about girls for whom the princess thing is the only obsession. Rose's love for cephalopods and spiders makes me feel better.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887073&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xK-ejih6ouA7-8YhIzkL5oMh3fzKTabo9YCCVI8wDas"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tamara (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887073">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887074" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344544616"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As much as I do think that all this pinkness is horrible, I don't think it's entirely the work of marketing. My parents (who had three boys and me, the female) say they did their best not to conform to gender stereotypes and that, in a lot of ways, my brothers were easier. They had a boy doll and all of that. I was the one who instantly loved ballet and all things sparkly. Although I still played with Legos aplenty. :) I think the trick is to introduce the toys without the stigma of "boy" or "girl" toys. Challenge them to build something with Legos. And seeing your boys play with "girl" toys might help take some of the stigma away.<br /> Also, the Princesses can have some teachable moments. Belle was always my favorite because, like me, she enjoyed reading. I knew basically no other girls growing up who read like I do, so having that role model reinforcing the behavior was excellent.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887074&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5okrsUmQpKS27VEJzYW3CnX8SzDQbS0RtlmtJ3-eXbk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sister X (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887074">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887075" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344545304"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Belle was my favorite when I was younger because of the book thing, but I've kind of fallen for Tiana and her restaurant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887075&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xIv7pSgT4ZCl9w8xpg9PdpTulAUTVD6ktwJm8bwf30U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tamara (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887075">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887076" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344547958"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Never read "Rescuing Ophelia" and "Cinderella Ate My Daughter" back to back unless you want to utterly despair of any positive future for little girls - utterly harrowing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887076&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aBxMFt6xKADZSHCd4p3U3u3wI2bTqG5FJvfRNNjCJQw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Johanna (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887076">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887077" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344554688"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Even as a non-parent, I've noticed the intense sexualization of even very young girls, and keep thinking, WTF?! It's very disturbing.<br /> Growing up, I don't think my parents ever thought we had a gender-typed household ... but somehow, I had three times as many chores as my (two) brothers shared between them ... and I wonder why decades later I'm still trying to be everyone's mother, and general domestic servant, despite sometimes really resenting the role. Yeesh, it's hard to break ingrained behavioral and thought patterns.<br /> If they still make such things, or the old ones are still around -- they must be, it was only the 70s -- look for the Sunshine Family dolls. African American family of mother, father and baby, slightly smaller than Barbies. And refreshingly non-over-endowed. I believe they came dressed in rainbow-hues. It being the 70s.<br /> Used to have a set, not sure if it's still floating around somewhere. Will have a look.<br /> And if you just want to fall over laughing at something truly absurd (for you, not the kids), look for -- damn, I've forgotten the name. There was a teen-age Barbie whose, what was the word? bazongas, grew (and shrank) if you twisted her arms. Although as I recall, this was highly entertaining for a 10-year-old.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887077&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jE1Q98Fy-b-N9w8KV08bNH_g-x2AZ1ogE-gOaBhBvtk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NM (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887077">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887078" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344555664"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You might find the source a bit suspect, but <a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_19780_5-gender-stereotypes-that-used-to-be-exact-opposite.html">this</a> provides ample links to show that "pink" == "girl" is a relatively recent marketing invention. In fact, less than 100 years ago many people considered it to the the most appropriate color for <i>boys</i> while blue, being cool and passive, was for girls.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887078&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6ysMNKVeAOsTfWv1dsxDI9p44qJeThJQbhfJK5Rnhwg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">idlemind (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887078">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887079" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344557339"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm not keen on the princess movement, and skanky clothes for ten year olds are horrible. My friend's teenage sons refer to the tweens so dressed as "prostitots and kinderhoes". Hardly the reaction either the children or their parents hope for.</p> <p>I can understand though, why girl's toys have moved away from little stoves and ironing boards. A lot of play is mimicry of adult behavior and many children do not see their parents doing domestic chores When my children were young housework began only after they fell asleep. The short time between daycare and bed was for stories and games.</p> <p>Instead of playing "house" as I used to, they played "store" or "builder" or "museum". ( Yes, museum. It's easy to find fossils where we live.) The best games were long on imagination and short on store-bought props. They also seemed to be fairly gender-neutral - at least I remember both boys and girls joining in.</p> <p>I can't imagine ever buying pink and glitter versions of the standard toys. My stuff is still in circulation when young children - both boys and girls - visit</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887079&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LqhXkHSTXX8JS6JlxbFOm5-P0z64n98DJHGh6QcrMZY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">R E G (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887079">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887080" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344565804"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My girls have played with their extensive collection of second hand Barbies incessantly, but only because they need adult dolls for their imaginative games. Our Barbies have descended from the balcony with parachutes, swung precariously between trees on a flying fox, been buried in coffins, sailed the pool in boats, and led very adventurous lives on the whole. They have also been princesses, wicked witches, orphans, beggars, farmers and archeologists.</p> <p>Apart from obvious 'kinderhoe' clothes (love that tem!) I have never challenged any of the children on their clothes preferences, and they have all gone through the 'pink and glitter' phase, then moved on. I think my girls have very healthy senses of self, because we as parents have worked very hard to help with that, read them fabulous books, shown them great role models, let them experiment with anything they want to do. I do worry though, that there are many little girls out there who are defined and confined by popular culture, and who have no real purpose in life other than to be decorative.<br /> My own however? Well yesterday the 7yo was dressed in a pink tutu, jeans and gumboots while building a volcano in the sandpit...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887080&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9geQg6sqeAvXPEDcfZVXG6OQsmB3DRXa0_FNgfZmrUA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jo (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887080">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887081" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344572032"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"girls don’t do anything different, so you have to define yourself in other measures "</p> <p>What comes to my mind is the princess scene from one of the Shrek movies. A cell full of princesses and Fiona wants out, "All right ladies, assume the position!" as all the rest prepare to wait to be rescued.</p> <p>That, to me, is the horrifying part of the princess thing. It puts girls on a pedestal, instead of introducing them to work, and appreciation for the work they do in chores and other projects.</p> <p>We recognize that playing with baby dolls is a preparation for raising a family. But the rest of the preparation was at least as important, including sewing to *have* a wardrobe, cooking to *have* food, and *selecting* a mate (instead of a glamorous accessory to show offf/adore the princess).</p> <p>Blessed be, to all.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887081&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="j7pFVhTgCmGFYHXFFTjN2DFGsp-IIX5rCZB0BFvqYTg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brad K. (not verified)</span> on 10 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887081">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887082" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344578904"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Toys should be manufactured as an educational aide for children relative to their age even if it just involves a fluffy stimulant. I am of the self formed belief that a truly objective intellect is asexual and if we want to develop that most human of traits in children, toys ought to be non gender based. In contemporary human culture boys get threatened with teasing a lot if they want to play in the company of girls and girls are labelled with being masculine if they eschew the pink burqa. In a BBC documentary it was shown that male intra-sexual competitiveness increased in a group of young male skateboarders if two young females suddenly appeared so as to join their company. This was ascertained by the boys in recorded increased levels of testosterone a hormone largely responsible for aggressive fighting and competing. Married men, whether fathers or not, have much lower levels of testosterone than single men. Thus being the case perhaps educational bodies including toy makers should focus more on children of either sex doing activities together especially from an early age to avoid any sexual apartheid. The only foreseeable activity in which there will be a marked difference in performance will be in physical sport but surely there will be at least some overlapping.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887082&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aH2f64_6peoBnMQ2maCFNRAz5vIMY4UNHDLd7Gg__lo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andrew Planet (not verified)</span> on 10 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887082">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887083" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344622132"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My (only child) son has a toy kitchen, and he plays with his 2yr old boy cousin with it. He asked me once if it was a girl toy, and I told him not really, men can cook, too, if they learn how. When I was in my 20's, I used to dye my hair pink, not because I love pink (my favorite color is actually blue), but as a sort of rebellion against pink itself. I stopped because I got tired of the looks, and I didn't want to have to explain my pink hair at IEP meetings :) I worked at a party store a few years ago and noticed the little girls' costumes were getting a bit out of control, and the womens' costumes are even worse-just try to find a Halloween costume that's fit to wear outside the bedroom these days! I took home economics 5 times from 8th grade through 12th, not because i was obsessed with sewing or cooking, but because i was transferred out of auto mechanics, wood shop, metal shop, and construction. I guess it worked out ok, because i landed a sweet job sewing costumes for a community theater while I was pregnant and couldn't really do anything else, and the job got me through a tough financial situation. I still wish I could change my own oil, or build a stable chicken coop, though. (sorry about the rambling writing style lol)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887083&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1Fq5TyV9p-jiDCgPWr0LjU2JfFQQoqSppI98DNfq7eU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sandra Wilson (not verified)</span> on 10 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887083">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887084" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344629884"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>there's also a social class aspect to the pink explosion. Cheaper kids' clothes are all either covered in trucks or pink with sparkles, but more expensive kids' clothes aren't like that. Upscale shops have lots of non-pink clothes for girls and non-tractor clothes for boys. So if you want to avoid super gendered clothing, you still have to pay more, and if you don't, the kids get the double-whammy of being forced into gender stereotypes, and being labeled as lower-class by people who notice these things.<br /> Luckily, for those of us who are either too old to have been put off sewing, or ignored the message that it's women's work so not a valuable skill, there's always the option of making the clothes yourself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887084&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Tm8COBQdp-XhQFK-po-5Ay1i7CE5xeqRH89_JleuBzI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anon (not verified)</span> on 10 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887084">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887085" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344631478"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In our house with 2 teenage girls, the favored dress among both sexes when they were young, was the black velveteen with the gold lame’ruffles. My older dd loved princess and bride dresses, was a princess for Halloween until second grade when she dressed as a scary, unisex vampire. My younger one preferred fake animal print accessories plus gold sequined belts and glittered shoes; actually they both liked those shoes. I think their friends who were boys, who loved our velvet dress and other sparkly apparel, did so because boys DON’T usually get to wear this kind of fun, glitterly clothing. Our older one briefly embraced the hoochie look (hand me downs, I would never buy them even used). They were somehow ‘disappeared’. </p> <p>We remained Barbie free until older dd was 5, neither really liked them and preferred stuffed animals. They both took an awesome summer class that showed what Barbie would look like if you made her human sized: ie only room for one lung in that chest and tiny waist; they loved that class and so did we!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887085&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_FU6HW8_VjUggSFxd2c_mp2fMhDGwBBzP2Urd2nZ1uU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lisa H. (not verified)</span> on 10 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887085">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887086" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344637532"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks for bringing back my one and only princess-related memory from my childhood. I must have been about four, maybe younger. I remember having just gone to the bathroom and, as was my habit, turning around to watch the poop go down the drain when I flushed. Suddenly, a vivid thought popped into my head: "a princess wouldn't look at poop!" I was torn between wanting to look at the poop and wanting to act like a princess. I truly believed that if I could act like a princess at all times and never have an un-princessly thought, I would actually become a princess. </p> <p>This was a short lives phase in my life, which ended, if I remember right, about the time we moved to a small farm and I became interested in animals and dirt.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887086&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HMICMVTKeb5jFkOLQudwgAof8Mx4_u0ncBYgF0k2zks"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">aimee (not verified)</span> on 10 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887086">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887087" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344697175"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have a My American Girl at my mother's house, but it is not a doll of color. It's white, brown hair and grey eyes. My sister did have Josefina that she might no longer want...</p> <p>The nice thing about those dolls is they are a large enough size that you can sew for them.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887087&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E8SKzKfv15o_Rhy7jh47kMRJKA0I1Y6AsiRbb1UOLRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tegan (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887087">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="78" id="comment-1887088" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344858325"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Aimee, you win best comment on a post!!! That's awesome!</p> <p>Tegan, if you want to trade any American girl dolls for books, I'd be happy to - I particularly need non-white dolls, but white ones are fine as long as I have a good mix. I love that they are big enough to sew for - and I want to teach the boys to make them clothes. Risa, same here, I'll email both of you.</p> <p>Sharon</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887088&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0DecNonu2FMg9zdp3jkWL78VAGgikCgdCEgU5td2IoA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/sastyk" lang="" about="/author/sastyk" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sastyk</a> on 13 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887088">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/sastyk"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/sastyk" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887089" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344941116"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hooray! Great post. Here in Australia a mother has just used social networking to blast the cheap department stores for selling really inappropriate clothes for little girls. I still can't get over seeing a girl of about six in a shopping mall a few years ago with the word 'slut' picked out in sparkles on her pink t-shirt. I can only hope her parents were not English-speaking.</p> <p>And I can't agree more that we need to stop idea that feminism and domestic skills are mutually exclusive. I research textile history, so it's a personal mission ...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887089&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CWS3oV7NHSN5J6Ius9umi-IGNS_m3wFg_oj7_BtkfRs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sarah (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887089">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887090" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1344941673"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, and I never got the princess thing, but then I think that was down to living in a country where we had a real one if only very occasionally - Princess Anne was very horsey and down to earth and not really about pink or glitz. 'Our Mary', aka the Australian Crown Princess of Denmark fits the bill a little better, but she's all about jogging and cycling too and she used to work in an office. I think that I understood from an early age that if you were a princess or a queen you spent all of your time opening hospitals.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887090&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zZkOQTEJ9Ljdr1ArG0CJnWBdusyNE2mw5phXpIO_2Ao"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sarah (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887090">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887091" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1345590701"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Having successfully (I think) raised 2 daughters into their early 20's by the credo in an old Bob Dylan song "can you cook and sew make flowers grow" with the background belief that all people should know how to meet their own basic needs, your blog reallybresonats with me. I'm a primary teacher seeing so many of our kids growing up to be quite helpless; with parents clesting their every path for them and</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887091&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l4MC6s5O7BBC6ur-pG84UdatbLMJhpT6jPAxbhwkDYI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">louise ney (not verified)</span> on 21 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887091">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887092" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1345591058"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>(blast these small buttons)...clearing....and allowing themselves and their children to be led through life by marketing. I love Jo's image of her daughter making volcanoes in her tutu..the stuff my best memories of my own are made of!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887092&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Uun_XoCFJUCS42hH4CTGUNjvQZzVN89HNl_GaJ3BLDw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">louise ney (not verified)</span> on 21 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887092">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1887093" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1345766741"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If you get older barbies (from the 60s and 70s), they're shaped somewhat more realistically... </p> <p>I was born in the mid-80s, and, when I reached Barbie-age and wanted one, my mom dug out her old ones, realized that the clothes were Utterly Unsuited to Anything of Value, and sewed/knit worksuits for Barbie because Barbie needed to be able to go out and earn a living. </p> <p>And then my mom wonders where the feminism comes from. GEE, I wonder.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1887093&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SUTIfo12yZEPaU6Sf2F9ka8LHf2vAven7qeY58o8dMs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ros (not verified)</span> on 23 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-1887093">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/casaubonsbook/2012/08/09/pink-attack%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:43:48 +0000 sastyk 63890 at https://scienceblogs.com Gender Smog - Dell Version https://scienceblogs.com/thusspakezuska/2009/05/15/gender-smog-dell-version <span>Gender Smog - Dell Version</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><em>Hat tip to reader James Ramsey...</em></p> <p>What do women really need in computer? Because, what with our vaginas and all, our computing needs are so, so different from those of men. Thank the goddess <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/what-do-women-want-in-a-laptop/">Dell is looking out for us</a>, with its helpful marketing strategy that emphasizes "color schemes, cases and dieting tips". Oh my god, I can <a href="http://content.dell.com/us/en/home/della-laptops.aspx">accessorize my laptop</a>? I must have died and gone to heaven! Here's a "Tech Tip" from the <a href="http://content.dell.com/us/en/home/della-products.aspx">Della</a> site (isn't that so cute??? get it? Dell, the real site, is gendered "guy", while Della is for us girls. I mean, who would want to buy a laptop from a guy site, right?):</p> <blockquote><p>Tools like Gyminee help you track workouts and reach your fitness goals. You can even map out new running routes via sites like Map my run. Improve your mood by listening to music, viewing pictures or even watching a movie. Some netbooks even offer an optional DVD drive</p></blockquote> <p>Yes, because women need MORE encouragement to focus on their bodies. Oooh, a DVD drive? How techie! </p> <p>Pardon me while I hork up my lunch. </p> <p>Last fall a Dell "back to school" catalog arrived in my mailbox and I almost blogged the cover. It showed a young girl in a sea of pink, holding a pink laptop. If this is the most creative marketing that Dell can come up with to reach the female consumer, I hope the company dies a swift painful death. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/thusspakezuska" lang="" about="/author/thusspakezuska" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">thusspakezuska</a></span> <span>Fri, 05/15/2009 - 06:22</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/burns-my-shorts" hreflang="en">Burns My Shorts</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gendering-technology" hreflang="en">Gendering Technology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/our-innate-womanly-natures" hreflang="en">Our Innate Womanly Natures</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/technology-gone-bad" hreflang="en">Technology Gone Bad</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/consumer" hreflang="en">consumer</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dell" hreflang="en">dell</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gender" hreflang="en">gender</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gender-smog" hreflang="en">gender smog</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/marketing" hreflang="en">marketing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pink" hreflang="en">pink</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pinkified" hreflang="en">pinkified</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/free-thought" hreflang="en">Free Thought</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309244" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242387965"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ha! They must have gotten some complaints. They got rid of the "Della" logo pictured in the NYT article. Now it just says Dell. That fixes it, right? Its still the the same schlock otherwise.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309244&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oSK4wxjFHrg1F5VgGtRMcYYW3mVc0AjOmdxLGRtbvsI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">m (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309244">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309245" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242388682"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dell must have gotten their marketing advice from Paris Hilton.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309245&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2wB-r41ObGj1UOjVSeKW_wXJAKRZf09npsceDMslgtM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wagicalplace.com/about.shtml" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Danimal (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309245">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309246" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242389667"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hence my die-hard dedication to the mostly gender-neutral Mac.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309246&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XaVoe0O3EDTWJbP46xhFOXU6wZPsLeqej5YjGWd6Fik"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://topyourfragileself.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JLK (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309246">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309247" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242390693"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was glad I wasn't eating when I read this in the paper. I mean, really? What year is it? What's the age demographic? Hell, even if they're advertising to tweens it's still wrong on at least a dozen levels. Even my boyfriend was insulted.</p> <p>It's one thing to sell after-market laptop cases in dozens of colors and patterns (oo, FSM art!). But to imply that I wouldn't know what to do with a computer, which I have been using since I was 4, unless it's pink and tells me to feel bad about my body is beyond insulting.</p> <p>Epic FAIL Dell. You can take that "Della" and shove it up your nose, because there is certainly nothing else in your cranial cavity!</p> <p>(Now I feel bad about wanting a red netbook. Dammit!)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309247&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lEx_B2htC4CSTcKmRhdAwLwSiymQN6EZjWzMJZSztqQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309247">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309248" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242392343"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The marketing genius responsible for this must never have been in the same <i>room</i> as a woman. Or, if he was, he made sure that her mouth was full so she couldn't say a word.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309248&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GZbOm3QzdKfh1ewdHx1kyzAwCj6RzzriwQcnpMfowy4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">D. C. Sessions (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309248">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309249" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242393426"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>"Hence my die-hard dedication to the mostly gender-neutral Mac. "</i><br /> Well, it was a nice thought. (click the namelink)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309249&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l4Itluw9KFd3cuHlkfsaJx6-H3GC4GSZLeZmjnHR2RM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://images.google.com/images" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">becca (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309249">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309250" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242394246"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There ain't no pink ThinkPads!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309250&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ltqf9ObEyNyVru3AySkQ2ORjjA4BfwpiOSMzQmABuhY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://physioprof.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Comrade PhysioProf (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309250">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309251" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242395395"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@5 ... the marketing VP is a woman.</p> <p>Can we now excoriate her for being a tool of the male oppressors?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309251&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Qt_YWOVUM6yeUhiGrFjIhDFArhlcmjUbC_q0GEG12ck"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tsu Dho Nimh (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309251">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309252" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242395645"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Becca, there's nothing wrong with people pimping (or pinking) their Macs. The ones you linked to are all actually quite attractive (for Macs; I don't swing that way.) I'm having a bit of trouble coming up with an outfit in my wardrobe that would go with those, but part of that is just my own coloration.</p> <p>No, what's profoundly insulting about the Dell abomination is much more basic:</p> <p>There is the Dell site, which contains computers for gaming, personal use, and business use. Then there's the Della site, which no doubt exists because after all women don't <i>do</i> gaming, personal, or business computing.</p> <p>Spit.</p> <p>Well, it's Texas. Maybe they don't allow women to have brains there or something, so those who are stuck behind the lines there have learned protective coloration and other techniques for survival in lethally hostile territory.</p> <p>And, yes, I realize that "aren't allowed to have brains" and "lethally hostile territory" are at best relative. Much of the South has distinguished itself in that particular bit of relativity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309252&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="79faElCHTDuDXNyH8-PujfUsJJsDYB4u2sWISkgqD10"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">D. C. Sessions (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309252">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309253" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242396664"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow. Errr...wow.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309253&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="r5kOCnQi6RnKM3cnydRMP3Fb_5jP5EH_gu-SpsxJVBY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Erin (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309253">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309254" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242396862"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I only like netbooks when someone is hacking OS X to run on it, hate pink and listen to black metal to improve my mood.</p> <p>(And here I was getting all excited about Toshiba's 512gb SSD driveâ¦I make a crap girlâ¦)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309254&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_ynaXdImLfPYH094N2fR-aUJ_SVlMDdIRqiOgx7n3zg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">frances (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309254">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309255" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242398324"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hmm... I'd actually like some help reaching my fitness goals, and i do sometimes improve my mood by listening to music, does this mean that i'm a woman? Can i buy that laptop anyway?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309255&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xijoFQr85P4mZIuXpqfWJH8abAUmGjphk20waGbDS-s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://diversegrubbel.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Niklas (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309255">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309256" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242401770"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I once had the non-pleasure of discussing my computer needs with a few Dell sales employees. </p> <p>Astonishingly, <i>a computer that does not have Windoze pre-installed</i>, <i>a computer <b>without</b> 50 useless bundled child-oriented programs that I will have to uninstall on receipt of computer</i> and <i>a computer with a decent processor and chipset</i> were not available for purchase through their business. </p> <p>Also, I, a lowly biologist, knew more about computers than their own "tech service" reps who were ostensibly paid actual money to assist me in my electronics needs. </p> <p>Maybe when they remediate these issues, they will have some female customers. Given their current product line, though, it seems they are targeting stupid people whose technological goals consist of downloading pr0n and letting their children "do homework" on teh intarwebz unsupervised. </p> <p>To give credit where credit is due, they certainly motivated me to learn to build my own computer out of components from New Egg, and I saved about $1600-1800 that way. That was a very liberating experience, realizing that even the hardware of computers is quite easy to manipulate once you've got the hang of matching up plugs and things. Guess I should thank them for making me so frustrated with the ready-built Intel-monopolized industry that I finally said "fuck this shit." Best technological skill I ever acquired!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309256&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="myKNWJTS5bYmbvNtwCYs0KxvVg9j9_85gstMbGdl518"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lora (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309256">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309257" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242409878"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So if you wear a blue shirt, you use a blue computer; a green shirt, a green computer; a pink shirt, a pink computer - does that mean that if I have several different colored outfits I need to buy multiple laptops? I wouldn't want to clash. Or maybe I'll just stick with my nice silver Mac, since that goes with everything.(Becca: those pink Macs you link to are after-market mods.)</p> <p>I wonder who Dell(a)'s target customer is? The "tech tips" seem to be aimed at someone who is completely unfamiliar with both computers and the internet. I'm not sure who that would be exactly, since web sites and "lifestyle" software are frequently discussed in women's mags and on Oprah and other programs aimed at women.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309257&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CHwsqHlfUuaLOJVGN3szsqzrHXWG9i2ldsBOiGbDmrQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://sciencewomen.blogspot.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Peggy (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309257">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309258" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242410938"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Peggy: "I wonder who Dell(a)'s target customer is?"<br /> Paris Hilton, Jenny McCarthy, etc.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309258&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XkiXVzJNTeYDA4Yhrrfab-DVF6InEeN9If9rAqvizTA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wagicalplace.com/about.shtml" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Danimal (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309258">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309259" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242414129"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Dieting</i> tips? For laptops? Aren't they already shrinking enough?</p> <p>Oh, never mind ....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309259&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hwu7FUynCy7ytazyB2Lzmqbu3ak1KzDIVbkay8sh6e4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julie Stahlhut (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309259">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309260" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242417111"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My husband is getting a refurbished pink netbook, cause it's cheap and he wants something to travel with. I told that owning a pink computer would be a good way to demonstrate his comfort with his masculinity. But he seems to think that he needs to cover it with skulls and install Linux or something.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309260&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="epLSRc1XbY-ZCcHryHKdzlQTRrX_Sj88ZrpFD2sEsXg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/stressrelated" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kim Hannula (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309260">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309261" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242418926"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I can't stand pink cr*d, unless it actually connects directly with my biological status as a female.</p> <p>A workout tracker sounds fine on a computer. Just make sure it includes sets/reps for the weightroom as well as time/distance for cardio! Yes, more girls ought to lift some weights!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309261&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yn6MMXDj93RNkpp9ERcSh6xsHE75khPCXsCgi5_6D8k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">trained entomologist (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309261">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309262" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242422017"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>(Becca: those pink Macs you link to are after-market mods.)</i><br /> Valid point. However, I don't buy the notion of "I became a devote of mac because they are gender neutral". </p> <p><i>"Or maybe I'll just stick with my nice silver Mac, since that goes with everything."</i><br /> Beige also goes with everything (think of Khaki pants), but Mac decided beige was just SOOOOOOOOOO lame (remember the g3 iMac? remember the <i>strawberry</i> g3?). Fashion always comes full circle, gender-influenced or no. </p> <p><i>"I can't stand pink cr*d, unless it actually connects directly with my biological status as a female."</i> Huh? Do you mean like a pink Aylesbury spatula?<br /> /confused</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309262&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jGz2Uw7EbUmaEPfKgDgP_LqHj8fMNSTCfRdibqGYMN8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.colorwarepc.com/p-45-thinkpad-t60.aspx" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">becca (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309262">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309263" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242425142"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>You can even map out new running routes via sites like Map my run.</i></p> <p>Feck off. Srsly. I can already do that with my (ancient and gender-neutral PC). It's a free web-based software via YahooMaps. I know lots of d00dz who use it too. The Map My Run site is for <i>people</i> who <i>run</i>. There isn't anything gendered about that shit. And now they're making it sound like you can only get it on a pink Della computer. I Blame the Patriarchy. (Woops, wrong blog.) Pbthbthbthbthb!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309263&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6oUGMDNeP90S3mo5XuNAKhe4brYm8AnIdo2Fzw_LuzY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ambivalentacademic.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ambivalent academic (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309263">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309264" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242426596"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Seriously, why does the "female version" of ANYTHING have to be pink or pastel?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309264&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ClkORT-EE80812ztuKN4SlFv-YkNd8C6uKxWZHDJVHA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Peanut (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309264">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309265" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242426944"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Aylesbury spatula! I just got that! HAHAHAHA!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309265&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Tgh2p1Sqhdq5KQBypJs1rMyFfU5z-g-Sip2P0EGBNKs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ambivalentacademic.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ambivalent academic (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309265">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309266" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242432141"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Heh heh heh! That Becca! She gives me hope for the future!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309266&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-nypGEvIytVxOp3Lm6qZIy2IB--s6tKG337sUgfRHTs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.scienceblogs.com/thusspakezuska" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zuska (not verified)</a> on 15 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309266">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309267" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242527060"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>God. I used to work on the Sims. Their marketing thinks this way, too. "Oooooh. It needs to be cuter and more social! Girls like that. No, we can't do girls don't like that. Let's do a tie-in with a boy-band!" Those girls you hated in highschool? They're all in marketing now.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309267&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UMkBp_IwkFeegbcNMIHQ8E818PR5pTPx1PbWKqkyfsU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scrabcake.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Scrabcake (not verified)</a> on 16 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309267">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309268" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242554947"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Do you ever watch "Look Around You"? It's a Brit sketch comedy styled after educational films of the 70's and 80's, and they did a sketch about a "computer made by women, for women", the Petticoat 5. Pink case, keys designed to be easier to use with long nails, vanity mirror, built-in air freshener and only one program available - a lipstick color chart.</p> <p>Video here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qptvCqtMg_o">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qptvCqtMg_o</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309268&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZbJhaDE1I1QzCAH9T-l6UUqUwylC4kYqlIxCnROaa3o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Omphaloskepsis (not verified)</span> on 17 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309268">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309269" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242556156"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thankfully this shit seems to have skipped the UK site - let me know if I'm wrong and I'll send them a quick rant. I got fairly good advice from the UK online staff about graphics processors and the like a few months back, but then I'm not really techy enough to make my own. I just wanted to be sure it'd run Fallout 3 the modelling software for my uni courses. </p> <p>I'm actually a complete sucker for anything that comes in different colour options and have even been known to buy pink stuff on occasion - it's only a colour. I think JLK's right about Macs, I can't remember any gender crap in their UK ads when the iMac came out. Most of the style concious architects/graphics/theatre folk I know are Apple obsessives, their stuff is generally beautifully designed.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309269&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H2w6GJsCFJmxJLmEWfjF4o6pVyus86lRCk7HJgAAkv4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Charlotte (not verified)</span> on 17 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309269">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309270" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242577119"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Those girls you hated in highschool? They're all in marketing now.</i></p> <p>OMG that is so true, as I learned when I joined FB. </p> <p>I am glad I'm a Mac for this reason. And I am conflicted about pink (e.g. breast cancer awareness types of empowerment movements). </p> <p>Zuska- I love where you say you're going to hork up your lunch. LOL. Always nice to visit here for the sheer mindedness.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309270&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="q-BrohxMLU4c7AQYJpBQHzffELU9lK5PaWEkowT5Rd4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://youngfemalescientist.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">msphd (not verified)</a> on 17 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309270">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309271" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242581951"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The barbie generation is growing up but not out of the brainwashing. But doesn't PH show that the barb-gen is as into prawns as the next guy?<br /> I always preferred MLP. Gimme a lilac comp with purple spots. ThinKPads do have that cute, red nipple thing, tho.<br /> Also, I second the Look Around You tip. genius</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309271&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sBcxDDky63cYg2vnRs_EewSjJRNUji-SkKgPfeDNa0Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">eddie (not verified)</span> on 17 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309271">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309272" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242638841"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Omphaloskepsis: I love you for loving Look Around You.</p> <p>Apparently all you need to do is paint something pink and you've got the "women's version." If you think this is ridiculous, check out any female MMA/wrestling/boxing gear. Just about everything is only offered in a soft baby pink: pink gloves, hand wraps, sweats, shorts, bras, shoes, ankle supports, helmets, mouthguards...it's comical, really. The lack of choice is astounding. I just saw a women's track jacket with two mudflap-stripperesque silhouettes in boxing gloves-- with platform heels and big hair. Sorry to ramble...I could write a thesis paper on the significance of over-"feminizing" female equipment in traditionally male sports.</p> <p>Zuska, I think you should do a Gender Smog piece about the stereotypes we feed children in school about important scientists (white, male, old, "loner" types) that might make the profession unpalatable to many kids.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309272&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DSEB_CSVAy9stns-TXX7DljcpkbRYE6cNA8rOcyvSDk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.im-geiste.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Samia (not verified)</a> on 18 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309272">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309273" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242916079"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@29: Christian MMA gear is even weirder. Check for "Jesus didn't tap" gear. Odd on so many levels.</p> <p>Seriously, a lot of this stuff seems to descend from the Asian market. Check out some of the latest tech toys on Dynamism. The color options are a bit wider, but still very gender specific (I love that new handheld that looks like a clutch--I think it's even available in alligator leather).</p> <p>Here's what I don't get about this whole idiocy--covers are easy and cheap. Applied vinyl is even cheaper. An awful lot of marketing at this demographic is about finding "the look that's right for you." Does it take a genius to see the potential here? iPods are available in, what, 10 colors or thereabouts? How cheap would it be to press cases in 10 colors, license some cool graphics to apply at the factory, and market it as a selling point?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309273&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Cxa51qBn6es8ByTgzFCwxEsDPNj01mdGnd8Ygc8B6IE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">usagi (not verified)</span> on 21 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309273">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309274" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1243172413"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The sad fact is, all of the pandering to the worst stereotypes of women to sell products actually works. The sales numbers don't lie. Dell knows this, Apple knows this. </p> <p>Zuska, I think your message needs to be heard by many young women - women who actually respond to this kind of marketing - as much as men need to hear it. Go to any high school campus today and you will see what I mean.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309274&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9cNVaajTLZvzITxUktUOYtL16pg7KfgCeLn1sJMOAyg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jkdigital.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jeff Knapp (not verified)</a> on 24 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309274">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2309275" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248148983"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Its helpful marketing strategy that emphasizes color schemes, cases and dieting tips. Its great.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2309275&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dz4VQ1-ir3ARkEkI8mRk0WyKWX-GcWdg4eLm3mtbfFk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cheap computers (not verified)</span> on 21 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2309275">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/thusspakezuska/2009/05/15/gender-smog-dell-version%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 15 May 2009 10:22:50 +0000 thusspakezuska 115812 at https://scienceblogs.com The pink Galapagos iguana that Darwin never saw https://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/01/05/the-pink-galapagos-iguana-that-darwin-never-saw <span>The pink Galapagos iguana that Darwin never saw</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p> <a href="http://www.researchblogging.org/"><img class="inset" src="http://www.researchblogging.org/public/citation_icons/rb2_large_gray.png" alt="Blogging on Peer-Reviewed Research" width="70" height="85" /></a>One hundred and seventy-four years ago, Charles Darwin first set foot on the Galapagos Islands aboard the Beagle. Since then, the islands and the unique species they house have been a source of inspiration for many an evolutionary biologist. Even so, it is gratifying to see that even now, on the bicentennial of Darwin's birth, the Galapagos have not yet finished yielding their secrets. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-842381d999b2194ec07abcf66a1dacd0-Yellowpink.jpg" alt="i-842381d999b2194ec07abcf66a1dacd0-Yellowpink.jpg" />During Darwin's five-week stint on the Galapagos, he observed two types of iguana. One was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Iguana">marine version</a> that, uniquely for lizards, swam and fed in the ocean, and the other was a cactus-eating landlubber, which we now know to be two separate species. But Darwin's adventures never took him as far north as <a href="http://www.geo.cornell.edu/geology/GalapagosWWW/VWolf.html">Volcan Wolf</a>, the northernmost volcano of the large Isabela Island. And that's why he never described the distinctive pink land iguana that lives only on that volcano. </p> <p>To be fair to Darwin, even scientists who actually visited Volcan Wolf failed to spot the pink land iguana for the better part of a century. Despite its striking pink head and black-striped flanks, it was only discovered when park rangers accidentally stumbled across it in 1986. They must have thought that they were the victims of some elaborate practical joke. </p> <p>Atheists will no doubt chuckle at the existence of a pink animal that's so hard to find <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn">it may as well be invisible</a>. The fact that it lives in the Galapagos of all places is just the icing on the irony-cake. But I digress. </p> <p>The elusive iguana has since been christened the "rosada" form, after the Spanish word for "pink". And according to Gabriele Gentile, it's a species in its own right, genetically distinct from the more common yellow versions. Gentile's team of international scientists from Italy, the USA and Ecuador have analysed the pink lizard's genes to show that it is a relict, older even than many of the current Galapagos Islands themselves. </p> <!--more--><p class="center"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-076120d54206d0bc9f121d8dbcddbe46-Rosada.jpg" alt="i-076120d54206d0bc9f121d8dbcddbe46-Rosada.jpg" /></p> <p>Until rosada hit the scene, there were just two species of land iguana - the "original" <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal%E1pagos_Land_Iguana"><em>Conolophus subcristatus</em></a><em>, </em>and its more recent taxonomic spin-off, the Barrinton land iguana <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrington_Land_Iguana"><em>Conolophus pallidus</em></a>. Both are yellow and both live on separate islands. The rosada form is very different in looks and behaviour. It's a distinct shade of pink with black stripes along its torso and tail, and it has a distinct fatty crest on the back of its head which the other iguanas lack. Like the yellow species, it bobs its head to attract mates and defend its territory, but the signals it uses and the meanings behind them are entirely its own. </p> <p>Gentile compared the four types of iguanas - three land and one marine - by taking blood samples from individuals at 16 sites and 7 islands throughout the archipelago. By sequencing key genes, she built a family tree of the animals. This genealogy revealed that the rosada form is a sister group to all the other land iguanas, no matter which island they hailed from. Even yellow iguanas from Isabela were more closely related to yellow iguanas from other islands than they were to the pink ones that shared the same rock. </p> <p>All the pink individuals grouped together too in a genetically distinct group, proving that they weren't just a differently coloured mutant of the familiar yellow species. Nor did they have any ties with the marine iguana, ruling out the possibility that they are a bizarre hybrid of the land and marine species. </p> <p>The two colours don't breed with one another either, or at least not very frequently. Gentile found no evidence that the rosadas had incorporated any genes from their yellow cousins within the last two generations, even though some clearly share the same island. Only one yellow individual showed possible signs of having a pink grandparent. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-2f03210962914395d3272a0bce4fb7e0-VolcanWolf.jpg" alt="i-2f03210962914395d3272a0bce4fb7e0-VolcanWolf.jpg" />The new iguana family tree suggests that the rosada line split off from the other land iguanas about 5.7 million years ago, when many of the modern Galapagos islands had yet to poke their tops above the water. This new date calls for a major revision of our current picture of iguana evolution on these islands - earlier estimates suggested that the land iguanas diversified no earlier than 1.8 million years ago. And why this early pink offshoot should now be confined to Volcan Wolf, the youngest of Isabela's volcanoes, is a mystery. </p> <p>To Gentile, the rosada form clearly counts as a "good" or genetically distinct species but she fears for its future. Based on what we know about it, it would probably enter straight into the "critically endangered" category of the <a href="http://www.iucnredlist.org/">IUCN's infamous Red List</a>. Its presence should provide conservationists with even stronger cause for protecting these unique lizards in this most wonderful of island chains. </p> <p><strong>Reference: </strong><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=Proceedings+of+the+National+Academy+of+Sciences&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1073%2Fpnas.0806339106&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=An+overlooked+pink+species+of+land+iguana+in+the+Galapagos&amp;rft.issn=0027-8424&amp;rft.date=2009&amp;rft.volume=&amp;rft.issue=&amp;rft.spage=0&amp;rft.epage=0&amp;rft.artnum=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pnas.org%2Fcgi%2Fdoi%2F10.1073%2Fpnas.0806339106&amp;rft.au=G.+Gentile&amp;rft.au=A.+Fabiani&amp;rft.au=C.+Marquez&amp;rft.au=H.+L.+Snell&amp;rft.au=H.+M.+Snell&amp;rft.au=W.+Tapia&amp;rft.au=V.+Sbordoni&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Biology%2CZoology%2C+Evolutionary+Biology">G. Gentile, A. Fabiani, C. Marquez, H. L. Snell, H. M. Snell, W. Tapia, V. Sbordoni (2009). An overlooked pink species of land iguana in the Galapagos <span style="font-style: italic;">Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences</span> DOI: <a rev="review" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1073/pnas.0806339106">10.1073/pnas.0806339106</a></span> </p> <p><strong>More lizards: </strong> </p> <ul> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/11/lizard_claws_shed_light_on_the_evolutionary_origin_of_hair.php">Lizard claws shed light on the evolutionary origin of hair</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/07/mayflylike_chameleon_lives_mostly_as_an_egg.php">Mayfly-like chameleon lives mostly as an egg</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/09/natural_selection_does_a_handbrake_turn_for_leggy_lizards.php">Natural selection does a handbrake turn for leggy lizards</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/03/geckos_use_their_tails_to_stop_falls_and_manoeuvre_in_the_ai.php">Geckos use their tails to stop falls and manoeuvre in the air</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/10/virgin_birth_by_komodo_dragons.php">Virgin birth by Komodo dragons</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/06/running_dragon_lizards_do_wheelies.php">Running dragon lizards do wheelies</a></li> </ul> <p><a href="http://www.addthis.com/feed.php?pub=edyong209&amp;h1=http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/Ruxi&amp;t1=" title="Subscribe using any feed reader!"><strong>Subscribe to the feed</strong></a> </p> <p class="center"><a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3533073"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-60c17a3e6bd99102bd1fce1281b55c89-Bookbanner.jpg" alt="i-60c17a3e6bd99102bd1fce1281b55c89-Bookbanner.jpg" /></a> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/notrocketscience" lang="" about="/notrocketscience" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">edyong</a></span> <span>Mon, 01/05/2009 - 11:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animals" hreflang="en">animals</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/lizards" hreflang="en">Lizards</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/reptiles" hreflang="en">Reptiles</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/darwin" hreflang="en">darwin</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/galapagos" hreflang="en">galapagos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/iguana" hreflang="en">Iguana</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/land-iguana" hreflang="en">land iguana</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pink" hreflang="en">pink</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/rosada" hreflang="en">rosada</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/volcan-wolf" hreflang="en">Volcan Wolf</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animals" hreflang="en">animals</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="101" id="comment-2340984" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231172823"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One time, I went to a zoo in Puerto Rico, and it was completely overrun with iguanas. I would say infested but I think they are adorable. Before I even got into the actual zoo, I saw 10 iguanas chilling in the grass and didn't even want to go inside because there weren't any rules about not touching them out there. Inside, there were iguanas in every animal display, hanging out with every other species in their partitioned habitats and crawling freely between. But then, to my surprise, I saw a sign toward the "IGUANA HABITAT," which consisted of a kiddie pool with one huge iguana so fat it couldn't even support its weight with its limbs and was lying with its face in its food dish. Habitat fail!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340984&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u47Bef_nwelvPVdAbMRf-19cbmYVF4eeJuiTNAAVdsQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/amillikan" lang="" about="/author/amillikan" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">amillikan</a> on 05 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2340984">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/amillikan"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/amillikan" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340985" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231182214"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How cool to be sitting here with my family &amp; my laptop reading aloud to h &amp; kids from this blog (and comments! that is hilarious about the zoo). It really is amazing to see these creatures and read about their evolution. The timeline helps to put human activity in perspective.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340985&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="n9REr2o3mBewEDq8Baiwj46-w7suEm_p1bFdk8mLw8I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://liliannattel.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lilian Nattel (not verified)</a> on 05 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2340985">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340986" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231277553"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In honor of the discovery of a Pink Iguana, we shall take 1 shot of this Pink Vodka, mix with 1/2 shot of creme de menth, and 1 pint of strawberry Ice cream blend until thick serve with a parasol pine apple wedge and a cherry There you have it the Pink Iguana,</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340986&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AQmoJsc9B2TuNx-BCcgjgF8ypmaw0-I5dNCRpvAS4tE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://northerngoodies.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">auroranorth (not verified)</a> on 06 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2340986">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340987" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231310260"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>These three comments have brought a big smile to my face. Thanks everyone.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340987&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xIK0u60Iph_f0XKBbCAtCRPfqV8liTPqt-32FpUKJGk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed Yong (not verified)</a> on 07 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10164/feed#comment-2340987">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/notrocketscience/2009/01/05/the-pink-galapagos-iguana-that-darwin-never-saw%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:00:21 +0000 edyong 119999 at https://scienceblogs.com