visualization https://scienceblogs.com/ en What does the Universe really look like? https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/08/16/what-does-the-universe-really-look-like <span>What does the Universe really look like?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"On a cosmic scale, our life is insignificant, yet this brief period when we appear in the world is the time in which all meaningful questions arise." -<em>Paul Ricoeur</em></p></blockquote> <p>Ask anyone who's looked up at a dark sky on a clear, moonless night, and you'll immediately hear tales about how incomprehensibly vast the Universe is.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/8392739830_abe5ba3fca_o.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28953" alt="Image credit: Randy Halverson, flickr user dakotalapse, from http://dakotalapse.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/8392739830_abe5ba3fca_o-600x399.jpg" width="600" height="399" /></a> Image credit: Randy Halverson, flickr user dakotalapse, from <a href="http://dakotalapse.com/">http://dakotalapse.com/</a>. </div> <p>But what you're looking at isn't much of the Universe at all. In fact, practically every point of light you see, <em>including</em> the vast swath of stars too dim to individually resolve, comes from within our own Milky Way galaxy. As we know from generations of telescopes, observatories, observations, as well as physicists and astronomers, the Universe goes far beyond that.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/12billionyears-hd.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28954" alt="Image credit: NASA, ESA, R. Windhorst, S. Cohen, and M. Mechtley (ASU), R. O'Connell (UVa), P. McCarthy (Carnegie Obs), N. Hathi (UC Riverside), R. Ryan (UC Davis), &amp; H. Yan (tOSU)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/12billionyears-hd-600x264.jpg" width="600" height="264" /></a> Image credit: NASA, ESA, R. Windhorst, S. Cohen, and M. Mechtley (ASU), R. O'Connell (UVa), P. McCarthy (Carnegie Obs), N. Hathi (UC Riverside), R. Ryan (UC Davis), &amp; H. Yan (tOSU). </div> <p>There are hundreds of billions of galaxies (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/10/13/how-do-we-know-how-many-galaxi/">at least</a>) out there in our observable Universe, spread out, from our vantage point, over a sphere some 46 billion light-years in radius.</p> <p>If we were to look at it, as human beings, we'd be limited by the biology of our eyes. Very well adapted for seeing in well-illuminated conditions, we'd do somewhat less well in intergalactic space; we'd only be able to see the closest and brightest of all light sources, which would most likely limit us to only a few dozen galaxies if we were plunked down in a random location.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/M109.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28955" alt="Image credit: Knut Skarr of http://knutsastronomy.blogspot.com/, of Messier 109." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/M109-600x399.jpg" width="600" height="399" /></a> Image credit: Knut Skaar of <a href="http://knutsastronomy.blogspot.com/">http://knutsastronomy.blogspot.com/</a>, of Messier 109. </div> <p>As it is, we're within our own galaxy, and so have thousands upon thousands of foreground stars that we have to ignore when we look deep into the Universe. We also are familiar with using tools like telescopes and/or cameras -- required to see even nearby, bright galaxies like <a href="http://knutsastronomy.blogspot.com/2010/01/m109-galaxy-in-ursa-major.html">Messier 109</a>, above -- to help enhance our understanding of what's out there.</p> <p>No wonder so many of us have dreams of voyaging across the Universe, seeing what's out there, of all the galaxies and how they clump and cluster together, of the different forms they take, and of what such an adventure would look like.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/5.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28956" alt="Image credit: Cosmic Flows Project, via http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/5-600x600.jpg" width="600" height="600" /></a> Image credit: Cosmic Flows Project/University of Hawaii, via <a href="http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/">http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/</a>. </div> <p>Recently, the <a href="http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/cosmicflows/">Cosmic Flows Project</a> has put together <a href="http://vimeo.com/64868713">a stunning video</a> (narrated in French) that's <a href="http://www.universetoday.com/102891/new-video-map-shows-large-scale-cosmic-structure-out-to-300-million-light-years/">a 17-minute tour through the local Universe</a> within 300,000,000 light-years. It's a remarkable look at not only our Milky Way, our local group, our nearest supercluster (the Virgo supercluster, of which we're on the outskirts, and which contains about 100,000 galaxies), and the largest superclusters and voids found nearby! When you've got the time, you <em>definitely</em> want to watch the whole thing.</p> <p></p><center> <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/64868713" height="338" width="600" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0"></iframe><p></p></center><center>Video credit: Hélène Courtois, Daniel Pomarède, R. Brent Tully, Yehuda Hoffman, and Denis Courtois.</center> <p style="text-align: left;">But you might look at this and wonder just <em>how</em> we figure this out. From our vantage point here on Earth -- or even in space from someplace within our Solar System -- there's a <em>lot</em> of information to filter through and figure out. The simplest thing you can do actually gets you very far: remember <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble's_law">Hubble's Law</a>, or the fact that not only is the Universe expanding, but the distance a galaxy is from us is directly proportional to its recession speed.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/redshifts.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28957" alt="Image credit: Larry McNish of RASC Calgary Centre, via http://calgary.rasc.ca/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/redshifts-600x547.gif" width="600" height="547" /></a> Image credit: Larry McNish of RASC Calgary Centre, via <a href="http://calgary.rasc.ca/">http://calgary.rasc.ca/</a>. </div> <p style="text-align: left;">It turns out that redshift is actually a somewhat <em>easy</em> property of a galaxy to measure, so if you know Hubble's law, you can infer how far away that galaxy is.</p> <p style="text-align: left;">Well, <em>kind</em> of. Hubble's Law gives a very good approximation for distances on average, on large scales. But Hubble's law doesn't account for <em>all</em> of an object's redshift. There's also the very minor issue (that's sarcasm) of all the other matter in the Universe, and the gravitational effects it's had over the past 13.8 billion years.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/Hubble_constant.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28958" alt="Image credit: Wikimedia Commons user Brews ohare." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/Hubble_constant-600x445.jpg" width="600" height="445" /></a> Image credit: Wikimedia Commons user Brews ohare. </div> <p style="text-align: left;">Matter has this annoying property that it clumps and clusters together, and that's because gravitational attraction causes it to <em>move</em>. Don't get me wrong, this is great for lots of things, but it's not great when you're trying to figure out how distant an object is based on its motion!</p> <p style="text-align: left;">It creates distortions along the line-of-sight, known as <a href="http://sciencewise.info/definitions/Redshift-space_distortions_by_Ganna_Ivashchenko">redshift-space distortions</a>.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/nj289273fig4.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28959" alt="Image credit: M.U. SubbaRao et al., New J. Phys. 10 (2008) 125015, via IOPscience." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/nj289273fig4-600x300.jpg" width="600" height="300" /></a> Image credit: M.U. SubbaRao et al., New J. Phys. 10 (2008) 125015, via IOPscience. </div> <p style="text-align: left;">As you can see, on the left, these distortions create apparent lines or streaks that point radially towards you. We call these features <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingers_of_god">Fingers of God</a>. These happen because galaxies that are clustered together move more rapidly, both towards and away from the center of the cluster, which spreads them out in redshift.</p> <p style="text-align: left;">There's also a less noticeable effect, where clusters move relative to one another and fall into superclusters and filaments; these actually have the reverse effect on larger scales, creating flatter features on very large scales. There are some who call this the Kaiser effect (after <a href="http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~kaiser/">Nick Kaiser</a>), but I've always called them Pancakes of God.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/600full-thor-screenshot-3.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-28960" alt="Image credit: from the movie Thor (2011)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/600full-thor-screenshot-3.jpg" width="600" height="253" /></a> Image credit: from the movie Thor (2011). </div> <p style="text-align: left;">So, how do we overcome these <a href="http://astro.berkeley.edu/~louis/astro228/redshift.html">redshift space distortions</a>? Believe it or not, this is one of the times where simulations have helped us tremendously! Thanks to the way that structure forms over the history of the Universe, from its gravitational evolution, we can figure out exactly how, <em>on all distance scales</em>, clustered objects translate from redshift space, which is easy to measure, into real space, which is the Universe we actually live in.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/galaxytype.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28961" alt="Image credit: Lahav et al. and The 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey Team (2002)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/galaxytype-600x330.jpg" width="600" height="330" /></a> Image credit: Lahav et al. and The 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey Team (2002). </div> <p>At this point, we understand clustering in our Universe -- as well as the dark matter and dark energy that it's dependent on -- to make this transformation with incredibly high degrees of confidence. So sure, we start in the same place: we measure the redshift of galaxies and plot them out accordingly.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/PIA04252.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-28962" alt="Image credit: Two-micron all-sky survey (2MASS), IPAC / Caltech, Univ. of Massachusetts." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/PIA04252-600x320.jpg" width="600" height="320" /></a> Image credit: Two-micron all-sky survey (2MASS), IPAC / Caltech, Univ. of Massachusetts. </div> <p>But then we use all the things we know about mass and matter and gravity to understand how these galaxies have clustered together, and to map out -- to the best of our abilities -- their peculiar velocities, or their velocity with respect to the Hubble flow. By subtracting those peculiar velocities out, we can get estimates for their real-space positions, and hence, for how far away in each direction each galaxy is.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/figure4.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-28963" alt="Image credit: Tegmark, M., et al. 2004, ApJ, 606, 702." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/08/figure4.jpg" width="600" height="600" /></a> Image credit: Tegmark, M., et al. 2004, ApJ, 606, 702. (FOGs are Fingers of God.) </div> <p>So what would flying through the Universe -- the <em>real space</em> Universe -- actually look like? Not to human eyes, but to our eyes as they'd be if we had pupils the size of giant telescopes? Well enjoy <a href="http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2012/08/08/boss-sdss-dr9/">this brilliant video</a> by Miguel Aragon, Mark Subbarao and Alex Szalay of the Sloan Digital Sky Survey that puts it all together!</p> <p></p><center> <iframe src="//www.youtube.com/embed/08LBltePDZw" height="338" width="600" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0"></iframe><p></p></center>And this is "only" about 400,000 galaxies in their actual positions, or just 0.0003% of the galaxies in the Universe, <em>at most</em>. <p>And that's just a tiny glimpse into what the Universe really looks like!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Fri, 08/16/2013 - 12:13</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gravity" hreflang="en">gravity</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hubble" hreflang="en">Hubble</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/physics" hreflang="en">Physics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/scientific-papers" hreflang="en">Scientific papers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cluster" hreflang="en">cluster</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/clustering" hreflang="en">clustering</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cosmology" hreflang="en">Cosmology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/distortions" hreflang="en">distortions</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fingers-god" hreflang="en">fingers of god</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-relativity" hreflang="en">General Relativity</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gravitation" hreflang="en">gravitation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/large-scale-structure" hreflang="en">large scale structure</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/real-space" hreflang="en">real space</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/redshift-space" hreflang="en">redshift space</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sdss" hreflang="en">SDSS</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/universe" hreflang="en">universe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/visualization" hreflang="en">visualization</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521379" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376671219"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The Cosmic Flows video (which I've seen before) is fascinating, but that SDSS fly-through is stunningly beautiful! I started to get the same feeling I get when I stare at the Hubble Deep Field. </p> <p>Thanks for sharing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521379&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5w53-WD-4CG4bKQvwSuxZR68pJ9h4Y90NdFAWWPT9vI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 16 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521379">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521380" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376714070"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Good blog. I watched videos. Wow. Great stuff. Thanks to all.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521380&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BF4XzT-zkq7Ie1ty5eIiErcrEmCYWAGIBm-u0TUft0A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Duffield (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521380">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521381" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376714625"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>test</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521381&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kuH9HtdOAy5ZLRwFyZNz9d6w0BLrQLJN3jhBrADPAHo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">derek (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521381">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521382" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376714724"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The narrator is speaking English, she just has a French accent.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521382&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wBtFuuH4XkRosOh3vWdq4ddfJizPBNhfjm7zOx_SrFk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">derek (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521382">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521383" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376736019"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you Ethan, I understand the Cosmic Flows video much better now!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521383&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u35OsZrjnRg1b9Vz7Fg1VFbQ9ufX80sD-diNzUJU-Uo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hans (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521383">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521384" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376757093"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've read that if you picked a random spot in the Universe, the odds are you wouldn't be able to see a single galaxy or star with the naked eye. (David Deutsch said it, I think.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521384&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vqcuFD4OIpdu6Bb-5Q4y26CKdlGsPrma4fYpebH2Yvk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mark McAndrew (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521384">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521385" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376781714"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" if you picked a random spot in the Universe, the odds are you wouldn’t be able to see..."</p> <p>well.. if it's truly random then that spot could be in some other galaxy and you would see more or less the same thing you see from earth. If you happen to find yourself in intergalactic space, again depends where. If you're in some galaxy cluster, you would see some galaxies as point sources like stars. If you happen to land in a particularly big intergalactic void, then yes.. all you would see is nothing. </p> <p>But such a big generalization, that the chances are you won't see anything, is wrong IMO.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521385&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eKCz33HrayPQjF2XICXvJf2lfaU_RkQN2KKZfuOi8z8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521385">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521386" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376813143"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>"Hubble’s Law, or the fact that not only is the Universe expanding, but the distance a galaxy is from us is directly proportional to its recession speed."</i></p> <p>I have a question that may make no sense whatsoever since my astrophysics degree got lost in the mail...</p> <p>As I understand it: Galaxy A is receding from us at a certain rate. Galaxy B, which is twice as far away as Galaxy A, is receding from us at twice the rate of Galaxy A. Is the space between Galaxy B and Galaxy A expanding at a faster speed than the space between us and Galaxy A? Or does it seem like it's going faster because there's twice as much expanding space between us and Galaxy B, and it just looks faster from our perspective? Or is it all the same thing because of Relativity?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521386&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C5Cnp13XeyeomgDnHh0lZezQ6-WgUpzwLD1ym7WLVNE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">William George (not verified)</span> on 18 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521386">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521387" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376822468"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@9 william</p> <p>the second one. there is twice as much. and vice versa. to someone in galaxy B we would appear to be moving away faster than galaxy A which is nearer to it. Basically every unit of space is expanding. everything appears to be moving away from everything else.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521387&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oYMdLJVPvnjPaqoqhVXaUm_5-x3zZHVfNcCdSAzmJWw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 18 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521387">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="33" id="comment-1521388" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376829021"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mark,</p> <p>I've heard that before, too.</p> <p>It's quite wrong. It's true that the Universe is highly clustered into clumps and filaments, but -- if you removed our entire galaxy -- we'd be able to see a large number of galaxies. Andromeda and Triangulum would be the brightest, and other local group galaxies would be prominent as well, but there would also be many galaxies from beyond the local group, including at least two I can think of (including <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/11/19/messier-monday-bodes-galaxy-m81/">one of our Messier Mondays</a>) more than 10 million light years distant.</p> <p>So, there are <i>plenty</i> of locations from where not a single galaxy would be visible, but if you plunked yourself down at a random location, far fewer than 50% of those places would have that property.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521388&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SBJ7RP70JFuJxaVrT1VPKPEnmsABEl3RqEvA3UkfP5E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a> on 18 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521388">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/startswithabang"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/startswithabang" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/pastey-120x120_0.jpg?itok=sjrB9UJU" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user esiegel" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521389" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376885870"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So there you have it. The universe looks like--a mammogram!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521389&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cMOW2Aq85MhRVZ_ER3ZPXXvHgoC5ABqHF3UHXGfO3ts"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">aed939 (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521389">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521390" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376893244"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is why I believe in a Supreme Being</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521390&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uz-bh4ikg8K5Yk1Opj2VY4GAE5tYyk0gBipVv7BPNYw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Johnny B (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521390">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521391" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376903658"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>re #13 is it because you don't understand and do not wish to know your knowledge is limited and work to reduce the limitations. Hence will decide to dump the idea "I have no idea" into "Goddidit" and therefore drop the idea that maybe you could find out about things if you spent a little effort?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521391&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4msIwCLorveQA7l3dyG8Ja1cHbVEWErDRsp4o2eUxAg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521391">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521392" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376903679"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> This is why I believe in a Supreme Being</p></blockquote> <p>What an of thing to say, when nothing here presents evidence for such a being.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521392&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jJl6VogKIgtFidGvgT0x3EwCj1rQoY8sAN846TDpFYk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dean (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521392">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521393" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376903749"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And thank you to my tablet for changing 'odd' to 'of'. I should have caught that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521393&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yC2o_o1bngULX31rMvpXIzQrQnMK3iB1r_M01DIcckI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dean (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521393">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521394" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376907823"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Sinisa;</p> <p>Thanks! That's what I was thinking but as I said, my astrophysics degree got lost in the mail. ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521394&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i58YxU1z4wi7JUF_BbrqzWexv64aI5qGpH5dAVlR700"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">William George (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521394">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521395" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376922755"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Has the science of cosmology and astrophysics become absolutely positively 100% accurate were the theories are concrete undeniable evidence? While Classical Physics and Quantum Mechanics still duke it out? Which to give super detailed reports about measurements would be required. Personally, I think not, and don't buy the hype! Scientists want to pretend they have all the answers. I seriously doubt they understand the question!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521395&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gVpS2hpUu2nWmzkcyEm8a8k2w18retxAizV0SCNp_M8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">blade crimson (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521395">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521396" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376928170"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It would be more than advisable to get acquainted with the Electromagnetic theory; "Electric Universe" for short. It answers more questions than the gravitational model and will ultimately replace Newtonian physics as well as much of Einstein's assumptions on how our universe operates. Just Google "Electric Universe Theory" and be prepared to be amazed...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521396&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C1ukfkRM58tLBCHZejmTByK8PKQcZ-iTu0_v2dQFmpY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joe7000 (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521396">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521397" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376968845"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Re #19: How are classical physics and quantum mechanics "duking it out"? If you mean that our two main theories in physics, general relativity and the standard model are incompatible, then yeah, we know that. However, they are hardly "duking it out". They are both right, just there are domains in which they give different answers. </p> <p>It's a similar situation as Newtonian physics. Newtonian physics is perfectly right as long as you stay within its domain. We've launched interplanetary probes and made moon landings using only Newtonian physics. It works well within its proscribed domain. Similarly, GR and SM both work well within their domains, which in the case of GR includes just about any cosmological observation. </p> <p>Obviously, both GR and SM cannot be absolutely complete. However, any new theory to replace them must yield predictions in line with them for observations within their domains. That is, we can explain the observations of cosmology with GR, and even when it's replaced, the new theory must give the same predictions. So yes, we are pretty confident in our cosmological models, at least unless new data becomes available. If so, then we would change the model.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521397&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BWhXc28dIgvTbLvfmUO6_RvDQFjwEm0M4wSSbcmd0Gs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sean T (not verified)</span> on 19 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521397">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521398" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376974108"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Joe, that crock has been peddled here before.</p> <p>We were amazed.</p> <p>Just not in the way you'd hoped...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521398&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_fvXqsqHdd59GVW3nE-E7ciGwDsuG9AcJFW6FP8mPJs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 20 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521398">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521399" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1376991453"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ blade:</p> <p>If you think scientists pretend to know all the answers, then you're only listening to pretend scientists. </p> <p>@ Joe:</p> <p>EU proposes that the sun is powered not by fusion, but by an interstellar DC current. Test this hypothesis. Calculate the minimum current strength required to explain the observed output of the sun, assuming a perfect conversion of input energy to output energy. Then calculate the strength of the induced magnetic field of such a current at 1 AU. Hint: It will be much stronger than the earth's magnetic field.</p> <p>Then step outside with a compass and prove the theory false.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521399&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3dpCzM9lAxRZWf0zuucuHUAD3inHEkD362QyRWtUJjs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 20 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521399">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521400" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1377056903"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Electric Universe for short</p></blockquote> <p>I've heard of Electric Boogaloo and Electric Avenue, but Electric Universe is new. How large a surge protector is needed?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521400&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_j6Qzg5Q-okllBd178F9FOrt2o3h6uTas6W4uVR6uFQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dean (not verified)</span> on 20 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521400">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521401" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1377063270"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm gonna take you to Electric Avenue.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521401&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rtYLdgWer3CCo8rl3bJ5aNYXMhnEOKwlsAKNDYyEE7w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Aug 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521401">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521402" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1383387098"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cool article and interesting to think about. It might seem bizarre now, but with quantum processors we will eventually accomplish some incredible things, like run computer simulated universes (as modeled above) that are indistinguishable from our own “real” universe, even complete with simulated minds. There is even a new book out that discusses the implications of all this (i.e., “On Computer Simulated Universes”) and introduces concepts such as the 'Computer Simulated Universes Evolutionary Hypothesis'. With many active simulations, there would be a wide range of physical properties differing from universe to universe. Universes with more positive physical traits to support life would produce better environments for more advanced civilizations to evolve to the point where they themselves would create their own computer simulated universes. And this process would continue. So over a long period of time, universes would evolve with the physics more favorable for life. The book argues that universes, over time, might have been naturally selected for particular physical properties, with an end result of creating more and more habitable and longer-lived universes. This line of reasoning explains how the laws of physics might actually evolve relying on a process somewhat similar to human or species evolution.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521402&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="h5l4prhgWDfAwkGXQIrbFje39w0ZjeIGwxc_z4LDQTo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alec Thorne (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521402">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521403" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1393300322"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>i love this article because it has a lot of diagrams that show us what the universe is like for real and i especially like the graph aswell i think people should use this article more often because the universe is an interesting thing to know. i i find it interesting because everything on here is what i am looking for</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521403&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GIV74oIR8HBpLXVsaEqUBIq322Nvzv4WTQMlQ6dUky8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bethany (not verified)</span> on 24 Feb 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521403">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521404" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1461467322"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>bellooo i love universe hence i love these pictures</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521404&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NWpdfLPut_-rsfVyoI7lj42lrvSL_9b8fO5gVIoLpmE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">john (not verified)</span> on 23 Apr 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-1521404">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2013/08/16/what-does-the-universe-really-look-like%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:13:51 +0000 esiegel 35678 at https://scienceblogs.com The AlloSphere: Flying through a giant virtual brain? https://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/04/19/the-allosphere-flying-through <span>The AlloSphere: Flying through a giant virtual brain?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><form mt:asset-id="11942" class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/wp-content/blogs.dir/263/files/2012/04/i-98b4606b53c1a90235ba2dc4a415e294-Picture 1.png" alt="i-98b4606b53c1a90235ba2dc4a415e294-Picture 1.png" /></form> <p>In her recent TED talk, <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/speakers/joann_kuchera_morin.html">JoAnne Kuchera-Morin</a> described UCSB's AlloSphere, a new project that enables scientists to literally stand inside a three-story projection of their data: </p> <blockquote><p>The AlloSphere space consists of a 3-story cube that is treated with extensive sound absorption material making it one of the largest anechoic chambers in the world. Standing inside this chamber are two 5-meter-radius hemispheres constructed of perforated aluminum that are designed to be optically opaque and acoustically transparent. (<a href="http://www.allosphere.ucsb.edu/">source</a>)</p></blockquote> <p>Scientists and artists can stand on a bridge through the center of this space, dynamically manipulating the visual and auditory data streams surrounding them. Sounds like a scene from <em>Minority Report,</em> right? Well, not <em>quite</em>.</p> <p>Here's how Kuchera-Morin describes the Allosphere's goal:</p> <!--more--><blockquote>We're looking for patterns. We're looking for beauty. The way that we appreciate beauty deals with the nature of complexity, uniqueness, subtle changes over time that catch you by surprise. It's something we look at as artists, and our scientists are looking for this too.<br /><br />I was talking to a Nobel Prize-winning physicist on campus. And he said, "Why do I need this? My work is data. It's numbers." And I said, "Have you ever been working on a problem on your computer screen, you've been really stuck, and then one of your colleagues walks through your door, and from three and a half feet away says, 'That data doesn't look right'?" That's the value of looking for patterns in data. Patterns you can't see when you're up close. <br /><br /> We intuitively know these things. Cultures have been weaving these patterns, plowing these patterns, etching these patterns. This is what we are. (source)</blockquote> <p>I'm behind that 100%. While the human brain is remarkably eager to find patterns in the world around us - even spurious patterns, like faces on Mars or cryptic messages embedded in our iPod shuffle playlists - it turns out to be quite challenging to see new types of patterns in raw data. I've argued before that <a href="http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/seeing_antlers_feeling_dendrites/">art can help us to make unexpected connections</a> and reveal those patterns. </p> <p>So is the AlloSphere a giant leap for intuition, the next big fusion of science and art? Watch the demo video and judge for yourself:</p> <object width="446" height="326"><param name="movie" value="http://video.ted.com/assets/player/swf/EmbedPlayer.swf" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="bgColor" value="#ffffff" /> <param name="flashvars" value="vu=http://video.ted.com/talks/embed/JoAnnKuchera-Morin_2009-embed_high.flv&amp;su=http://images.ted.com/images/ted/tedindex/embed-posters/JoAnnKuchera-Morin-2009.embed_thumbnail.jpg&amp;vw=432&amp;vh=240&amp;ap=0&amp;ti=516" /><embed src="http://video.ted.com/assets/player/swf/EmbedPlayer.swf" pluginspace="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="446" height="326" allowfullscreen="true" flashvars="vu=http://video.ted.com/talks/embed/JoAnnKuchera-Morin_2009-embed_high.flv&amp;su=http://images.ted.com/images/ted/tedindex/embed-posters/JoAnnKuchera-Morin-2009.embed_thumbnail.jpg&amp;vw=432&amp;vh=240&amp;ap=0&amp;ti=516"></embed></object><p> Okay. . . Honestly, I felt more like I was watching <em>TRON</em> than the latest scientific visualization technology. Ouch. (The resemblance of this project to the decidedly old-school Christian Science <a href="http://curiousexpeditions.org/?p=560">Mapparium</a> didn't help, either).</p> <p>Of course, this reaction is completely unfair: my expectations of visualization technology are way too high. We've been spoiled by the uncanny CGI fictions of films like <em>Minority Report</em>, not to mention video games, which aren't constrained by the limitations of real scientific data. Insofar as the AlloSphere <em>is</em> an authentic representation of actual data, it can't go beyond the resolution of its inputs. This makes me skeptical of the MRI application in particular: the voxels simply aren't granular enough to let you "fly through" a 3-story virtual brain and see any of the structures clearly. Hopefully as brain imaging techniques increase in resolution, flying through a virtual brain will become a reality. But for now, I'd have preferred the demo to move from small to large, and display the rudimentary brain data last, as a gesture toward the AlloSphere's promising future. </p> <p>With respect to allowing new perspectives on 3-D models of physics and math, the AlloSphere looks like it has real potential. Kuchera-Morin again:</p> <blockquote><p>Similarly, some of my mathematician colleagues are working with 6-dimensional figures. What happens when your math starts to get so complex that you can't draw it by hand anymore? Scientists have such tremendously rich math data that the instruments they use now can't actually see it. You get measurements from it, but can you take those math coordinates that describe it and map it visually and sonically? <br /><br />There are scientists now who have lost the ability to perceive their data. Now they might have the ability to perceive this data again through computers that have portals that let them see and hear their data, not just see a string of numbers. (<a href="http://blog.ted.com/2009/04/allosphere_interview.php#more">source</a>)</p></blockquote> <p>Now, this is interesting. If the AlloSphere were able to render higher-dimensional figures - perhaps through a time-lapse color-coded 3-D representation with added channels for sound, I'm not really sure - it would be incredibly neat. Would such a visualization help mathematicians make advances in their research? I don't know; I imagine it would depend on the individual and his or her idiosyncratic mental processes. But it's worth trying, isn't it?</p> <p>Another potential application is education. Astronomers have long benefited from 3D projections, but biologists need them just as badly. It is pretty difficult for most students to visualize the cell movements central to modern developmental biology, like gastrulation, without some sort of animation or physical model. (Back when I was teaching college, I was assigned to teach developmental biology in a classroom with no projector or computer. It's an interesting artistic challenge, but hardly pedagogically optimal, to diagram the time-lapse migration of several sheets of cells using colored markers on a white board). Standing inside an interactive model of an embryo, a cell, a neural network, or an ecosystem would be a memorable learning experience that might permanently alter the way a student thinks about biology. I imagine faculty in other fields have similar challenges, and hope the AlloSphere's developers have plans to include educational applications in the project.</p> <p>Read more about the AlloSphere project <a href="http://www.allosphere.ucsb.edu/">here</a>.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/bioephemera" lang="" about="/author/bioephemera" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bioephemera</a></span> <span>Sat, 04/18/2009 - 20:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/artists-art" hreflang="en">Artists &amp; Art</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/education" hreflang="en">education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/film-video-music" hreflang="en">Film, Video &amp; Music</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/neuroscience" hreflang="en">neuroscience</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science" hreflang="en">Science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/web-20-new-media-and-gadgets" hreflang="en">Web 2.0, New Media, and Gadgets</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/allosphere" hreflang="en">Allosphere</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animation" hreflang="en">Animation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/art" hreflang="en">Art</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/creativity" hreflang="en">creativity</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sciart" hreflang="en">sciart</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ted" hreflang="en">ted</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ucsb" hreflang="en">UCSB</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/visualization" hreflang="en">visualization</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/education" hreflang="en">education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/neuroscience" hreflang="en">neuroscience</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science" hreflang="en">Science</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/technology" hreflang="en">Technology</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2403282" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240148104"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It reminded me less of minority report and more of the Stellar Cartography scene from Star Trek: Generations. It certainly has potential but I think we are more likely to gain insight and immersion with complicated data through virtual theaters instead of physical ones.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403282&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LfFEJegmXVzRG7pD25lXQn2CRFKj8vIlaDJkfnSEiDc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.rhettoric.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rhett (not verified)</a> on 19 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403282">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="215" id="comment-2403283" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240157814"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It is a very interesting mix of old and new tech, isn't it? I wonder why the designers didn't try to go entirely VR with this - perhaps they saw the shared experience (letting multiple viewers interact with each other inside the space) as an important part of the project?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403283&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NoFhmsO5nRi77aI74j2OIpQu8TIiwQEnDV0ussF8NGA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/bioephemera" lang="" about="/author/bioephemera" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bioephemera</a> on 19 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403283">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/bioephemera"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/bioephemera" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2403284" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240220686"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I tend to agree with Palmer's comment above, about it's being a mix of old and new technology. Interestingly, something akin to this was discussed in Anthony Serafini's classic book THE EPIC HISTORY OF BIOLOGY -- he emphasized the idea that scientific results can be judged aesthetically as well purely empirically and quantitatively. This seems similar to Kuchera-Morin's comment that "We're looking for patterns. We're looking for beauty:</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403284&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P_TcZ2PnI-QUfOgV2M-3Grjkn4sNioQYUQ5C9xKBAzc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David Fonier (not verified)</span> on 20 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403284">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2403285" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240313168"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Maybe I'm missing something, but is this not just a huge projection in a sphere of what could just as well be viewed smaller on a flat surface?</p> <p>It seems a rather elaborate spectacle at first. There may be a hidden benefit to seeing a simulation projected on a non-flat surface though. I'm thinking of Tony Ousler's work here. His 'mouths projected on eggs' wouldn't have the same perceptual affect on a flat surface.</p> <p>re David: Interesting. Mathematicians often mention the 'elegance' of a proof as a determinant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403285&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qYTmD0sVr2CT2ABvanVfkBVapVUTcFuWTO0HIis7H7s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joe Leasure (not verified)</span> on 21 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403285">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2403286" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240532038"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I was talking to a Nobel Prize-winning physicist on campus. And he said, "Why do I need this? My work is data. It's numbers." And I said, "Have you ever been working on a problem on your computer screen, you've been really stuck, and then one of your colleagues walks through your door, and from three and a half feet away says, 'That data doesn't look right'?" That's the value of looking for patterns in data. Patterns you can't see when you're up close. "</p> <p>I think this guy has been watching too many movies. Never happened to me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403286&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="B2n_JnQN_ve5M7aAIJVt-hXsc0nFgyGlUfztgdMxOjI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jon (not verified)</span> on 23 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403286">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="215" id="comment-2403287" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240566646"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It does kind of sound like a scene from a film, but it did happen once to me in college. I saw an equation on a white board and had a feeling it wasn't balanced, and I turned out to be right about the location of the error. The weird thing is I haven't had enough math to write such an equation myself or read the notation properly, so it really was some sort of gut instinct about the patterns I saw. Odd.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403287&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZXrYkxuwmTfLEXlCqMTl-H-bWNS7jofd1Hn4zGUJ3Yg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/bioephemera" lang="" about="/author/bioephemera" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bioephemera</a> on 24 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403287">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/bioephemera"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/bioephemera" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/bioephemera/2009/04/19/the-allosphere-flying-through%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:00:27 +0000 bioephemera 129434 at https://scienceblogs.com Budget Bubbles for Tax Day https://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/04/15/budget-bubbles-for-tax-day <span>Budget Bubbles for Tax Day</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><form mt:asset-id="11769" class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/wp-content/blogs.dir/263/files/2012/04/i-acb435bb9d653fc2eaaeee3c94fa0fef-WallStatsDAT.jpg" alt="i-acb435bb9d653fc2eaaeee3c94fa0fef-WallStatsDAT.jpg" /></form> <p> This chart shows where your federal tax dollars go, based on Feb 2008 budget numbers (note: this shows discretionary budget, or appropriations, only - go <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_budget_process">here </a>for more details, or look at the inset in the lower right corner to see where the other two-thirds of the budget are). </p> <p>Visit <a href="http://www.wallstats.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/WallStatsDATlarge.jpg">wallstats.com</a> for a giant version.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/bioephemera" lang="" about="/author/bioephemera" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bioephemera</a></span> <span>Wed, 04/15/2009 - 16:10</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/conspicuous-consumption" hreflang="en">Conspicuous consumption</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-culture-policy" hreflang="en">Science in Culture &amp; Policy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/agency" hreflang="en">agency</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/appropriations" hreflang="en">appropriations</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/budget" hreflang="en">Budget</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/chart" hreflang="en">chart</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/data" hreflang="en">data</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/federal" hreflang="en">federal</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/graph" hreflang="en">graph</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/research" hreflang="en">Research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/taxes" hreflang="en">taxes</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/visualization" hreflang="en">visualization</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wallstats" hreflang="en">wallstats</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2403278" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240409015"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Huh. It's fascinating, but I don't see DOD science spending on here. I presume that it would be a branch of the Army (because that is where the money comes from). Any thoughts?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403278&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-Oq0mQWsuFncDiPghMveUgOaJeVkcCtKy9vedmL-ElY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hungryhyaena.blogspot.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hungry Hyaena (not verified)</a> on 22 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403278">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="215" id="comment-2403279" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240566324"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>HH, the chart is definitely not designed to make that obvious. I got an answer for you from someone more knowledgeable:</p> <p>"On that chart it's located in a bunch of places... For starters each branch has an "RDT&amp;E" section. That includes all the major test and evaluation for new weapons systems, but it also includes DOD sponsored research at universities and the basic stuff happening in-house. DARPA's got its own bubble as well. I'm not sure where the health stuff that DOD funds is, though. That program is called DOD Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs (CDMRP)."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2403279&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4-eQlc-gfTI_f2KYjVaApFPSSNNt36CMAxap-Cx-5mA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/bioephemera" lang="" about="/author/bioephemera" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bioephemera</a> on 24 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10807/feed#comment-2403279">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/bioephemera"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/bioephemera" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/bioephemera/2009/04/15/budget-bubbles-for-tax-day%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:10:47 +0000 bioephemera 129432 at https://scienceblogs.com