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Orrin Hatch and Rev. Moon

stcynic — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:25:42 +0000

Orrin Hatch and Rev. Moon

The indispensible John Gorenfeld has another great post at Talk to Action about the Rev. Moon and his close ties to social conservatives, in this case Utah Senator Orrin Hatch. Those ties go much deeper than you might expect. He includes video footage of Hatch praising Moon and his wife and details on Hatch writing a song for a Moonie project designed to eliminate the cross as a religious symbol and replace it with the Crown of Glory, the very symbol he was given in a ceremony in a Senate office building a few years ago. Before that ceremony took place, there was an earlier ceremony in February of 2004, where Moon's son, Preston, picked up a crown for his father. A Moon minister declared at the time:

"One unique dimension was the debuting of a special song called the "Jerusalem Peace Song", inspired by our Middle East Peace Initiative and authored by US Senator Orrin Hatch, Utah Senator Howard Stephenson and others. The performers of the song were quite inspired to reflect the spirit of reconciliation among the children of Abraham."

It is one of Moon's major projects to unite all religions under his rule, and doing away with the cross is one of the ways he intends to do that. If you want to see more information on Moon's Take Down The Cross campaign, see this article by Gorenfeld. If this doesn't convince the religious right to stop associating with Moon, nothing will.

stcynic Mon, 10/02/2006 - 03:25

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I think this is another great example of how the real issue is not about religion when it comes to social conservatives. If it were, they would rightly dissociate themselves from Moon, whose pronouncements fall pretty obviously under the "false prophet" rule. As such, their association with Moon has everything to do with politics and power--nothing new, really, but for sure it's not about the religion.

Moon has always been my choice for the real-life Nehemiah Scuder.

Indeed, those conservatives ought to be asked if they believe True Father to be the New Messiah. And I sure Jews and Muslims will be delighted to serve under the Crown of Rev. Moon.

Jim Ramsey - So, I take it that the Revolt In 2100 is still on?

Site Beulah, Reporting In!

J-Dog --- Well, "If this goes on...".

This not only shows the seediness of some conservative leaders, its shows the ignorance of the evangelical community. They didn't flinch when this self-proclaimed Christ-Messiah was crowned, the True Father of humanity, in our Senate building. They don't care that his influence seeps into our lives daily, via the Washington Times and through many of his other influential enterprises. What kind of principles do these (so call) Christian people live by?

Gorenfeld's Video Blog on Rev. Moon

stcynic — Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:02:17 +0000

Gorenfeld's Video Blog on Rev. Moon

John Gorenfeld has a video blog up at Talk to Action showing scenes from the Rev. Moon's 1996 world tour with former President George HW Bush. It shows footage of a banquet hosted by a sycophantic Pat Boone kissing up to this leader of a decidedly anti-Christian cult, and it shows a Moon conference with speakers like Beverly LaHaye, Gary Bauer, and Ralph Reed. And it also shows footage of the crowning ceremony for Moon held in a Senate office building a few years ago. This is a story that absolutely needs more coverage in the media.

stcynic Sat, 09/23/2006 - 09:02

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How much coverage did this story get in the Washington Times?

Somehow I associate Rev. Moon with Nehemiah Scudder.

Did they ever figure out which senator reserved the space for the "coronation?"

What was Jonathan Wells' role?

You can find more information here and here . And I thought my fruit loops were whacky.

Bush's Links to the Moonies

stcynic — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:37:48 +0000

Bush's Links to the Moonies

John Gorenfeld, who has done more than any other person I know of to expose the unbelievable activities of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, has a post at Talk2Action exposing the longstanding links between the Bush family and Moon. Bush the Elder has literally travelled all over the world, being paid millions of dollars, to speak on Moon's behalf and laud him as a statesman rather than as the evil, fascist cult leader that he is. Moon has built a staggering network of organizations and ingratiated himself into the conservative think tanks and foundations by throwing hundreds of millions of dollars around. Some of those organizations actually receive Federal funds under the faith-based initiatives program. He's also managed to get some of his followers into very high positions in government (one of them, Josette Shiner, is an undersecretary of State). Most astonishingly, he managed to have some 80 legislators and ambassadors take part in a ceremony in the Senate office building that crowned him the "King of Peace" - a US congressman actually placed a crown on his head! And all this while Moon gives millions to the madman dictator of North Korea as well. I cannot believe no major politician has made an issue out of this in the media. If this isn't a story worth covering, I don't know what is.

stcynic Mon, 09/18/2006 - 03:37

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I wonder if the Scientologists(tm) are feeling left out...

This one post, and your final remark, shows both the greatest strength and greatest weakness of the Internet. Before the net, there weren't people doing this sort of research and being heard by anyone. Now the research is there -- and if this information had been widely known, there is no doubt that Bush would have lost the Christianut vote -- and even the more sensible Christian vote -- and the 2004 election.

The trouble is that we are reaching a stage where we talk only to ourselves. The people who should be reading this don't read DISPATCHES or TALK2ACTION, they read WORLD NET DAILY. And nobody over here is going to write an article -- couched in their favorite catch-phrases -- to appear there.

We should be writing our pastors, priests, and evangelists, sending this and demanding they justify their support of Bush despite it -- but we are atheists (like me), agnostics, or, if Christians, the sort that has a liberal pastor that never DID support Bush.

At one time we could have counted on the newspapers to pick this up and spread the word to people who needed to hear it. But the Limbaugh-Coulter-Goldberg group (with, sadly, PLENTY of support from my end of the spectrum) have finally succeeded in doing what McCarthy and Nixon/Agnew dreamed of, convincing people that if they read or hear something in the "MSM" that they don't agree with, they should just dismiss it as biased, because they are all a bunch of evil, lying liberals (say the right) or all run by the evil, lying corporate bosses (say the left).

How can we (any 'we') start getting people talking across the barriers that the right, mostly, has built up. No, that's wrong. People will talk across the lines, creationists will come here to shout at us, some of us will go to the WND to yell at them.

But how to we teach people, once again to LISTEN across the barriers, to realize that, for example, a Lou Dobbs may have truly horrifying ideas about immigration, but he's RIGHT about electronic voting machines? For all I know, there are even things Coulter gets right.

Instead, we have people calling Colin Powell and John McCain traitors because they challenge Bush' policies.

Does anyone have any solutions? Because if we don't - and yes, i know I am risking an attack from the Hitler Zombie and the application of Godwin's Law by saying this -- we are going to have just the sort of conditioned populace, capable of hearing only what the 'right sources' say, that Goebbels dreamed of -- on both sides of the spectrum, which is even scarier.

I wonder if Bush paid for Wells' doctorate in a roundabout way by bringing in more funding? So we can blame both Bushes for supporting ID...

Jim B. ...Lou Dobbs may have truly horrifying ideas about immigration...

You make some good points and ask some good questions about polarization here, but then you give an example of your own polarized thought.

What, pray tell, are some of Dobbs horrifying ideas about "immigration"?

I am aware of his stance against illegal immigration but I have never heard him speak out against legal immigration at all. In fact I have heard him call for increasing the level of legal immigration.

Could it perhaps be that in your opinion merely being against illegal immigration is horrifying?

The constant use of the unspecified term "immigrant" in discussions about illegal immigration are a transparently Orwellian attempt (mostly by those on the left) to use language to try and frame the nature of the debate.

If we repeat "immigrant" long enough and loudly enough people will forget that this is really about illegal immigration and we will be able to paint our political opponents as being racists who are against all immigration.

But while we are speaking of Dobbs someone aught to forward this stuff about the Moon/Bush connection onto his show. They might have the guts to talk about it. While I don't agree with everything Dobbs has to say he at least seems to be willing to go after both of the main political parties in this country and hold their feet to the fire.

Salon's Michelle Goldberg wrote about the Bush/Moon connection (along with many other things) in her excellent book, Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism. I recomment it highly if you are the type who doesn't get nightmares.

Salon did another good piece called "Bad Moon on the Rise." Not sure about the date or author, but I think it came out soon after the "King of Peace" incident.

The constant use of the unspecified term "immigrant" in discussions about illegal immigration are a transparently Orwellian attempt (mostly by those on the left) to use language to try and frame the nature of the debate.

If somebody referred to legal immigration as just "immigration", would they be performing the same nefarious act?

pough: If somebody referred to legal immigration as just "immigration", would they be performing the same nefarious act?

I would think not as there is no group (that I know of) seriously involved in the debate (a few dip-shits in sheets don't count) that is trying to blur the line between legal immigration into this country and the concept of immigration in general (I'm not even sure what that would mean).

There is on the other hand a screamingly obvious pattern of attempts to blur the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants coming from groups ("The Race" for example) advocating for illegal immigrants .

Gorenfeld is Back

stcynic — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:26:09 +0000

Gorenfeld is Back

I am happy to report that John Gorenfeld has revived his blog, I Approve This Messiah, which focuses on the activities of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon. If you want to see something absolutely stunning, watch this video of Moon being crowned in a ceremony at the Senate office building in Washington DC. This is a propaganda video put out by the Unification Church, lauding the fact that more than 80 legislators and ambassadors were present for this crowning.

stcynic Tue, 07/11/2006 - 04:26

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Quality of YouTube isn't that great. I couldn't make out the subtitles when he was speaking. Something about him being an ambassador from god... then i lost it.

Rev. Moon Update

stcynic — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:47:40 +0000

Rev. Moon Update

I haven't written much about the Rev. Moon since moving to ScienceBlogs, mostly because he's been pretty quiet over the last few months (those interested in my previous posts on the subject can go here). Robert Parry, an investigative reporter who has followed Moon very closely over the years, has a new article about Moon's recent activities, including donating a million dollars to the George H.W. Bush presidential library.

The article also has an overview of Moon's history of buying influence and access to our government and how his money has flowed through the religious right in particular. The Bush family, in particular, has a long history with Moon. Bush 41 has accepted millions of dollars from Moon to speak on his behalf around the world, a fact that Moon has used to his advantage in propaganda distributed by his many media outlets. It also details his long history of funnelling money to the madman who runs North Korea, and even running weapons for him.

For a look at just how insane Moon is, see this post about the meeting in the spirit world that appointed him the savior of the world. And for a look at just how far his influence has gone in our political system, see this post about Moon's coronation ceremony on Capitol Hill. The man is a felon, a fascist and a danger to our society; he should be deported immediately and all of his American operations shut down.

stcynic Fri, 06/16/2006 - 03:47

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as for his deportation, it'll never happen. this man has more pull in washington than halliburton, and halliburton's got the office of the vice president.

Al Capone was finally brought down by Tax Evasion charges. Maybe Moon finally gets busted by the ASPCA for poodlecide, or schnauzercide. As the saying goes, You can take the jerkwad out of Korea, but you can't take the Korea out of the jerkwad.

I'm a little surprised by that too, hon, but then I'm often surprised at what people react to and what they don't. I'll write something I don't think anyone will be interested in and get 80 comments on it, and write something I think everyone will wanna talk about and get 2.

I am amazed that this post didn't get more reaction from your readers.

Moon is such a foul monster that I for one am shocked into silence
each time I read of him.

Moon is such a foul monster that I for one am shocked into silence each time I read of him.

I get a feeling that's key to many a wingnut's success.