pix https://scienceblogs.com/ en Petals on water https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2012/04/29/petals-in-water <span>Petals on water</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/6979276244/" title="DSC_0264-petals-in-water_crop_adj by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/6979276244_cd3639920f.jpg" width="500" height="335" alt="DSC_0264-petals-in-water_crop_adj" /></a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Sun, 04/29/2012 - 08:45</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/photo" hreflang="en">Photo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1773867" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1335721328"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>almost as nice as the flower pictures at the empty blog. </p> <p>[Almost!?! Pah! -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1773867&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hhrxxA_Ji4kGpkj6zNfX1IK_KTDcqtqH-AYRoNMc1-s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">carrot eater (not verified)</span> on 29 Apr 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1773867">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1773868" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1336021070"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>William, you show an artist's eye, a veritable e-Monet. Brilliant photo. Hope to see more</p> <p>[Thank you. I am encouraged -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1773868&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H_OWXLtMmYpDZmonZSRfLdABBrk2CTWjEPzFa7uz7iY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim Prall (not verified)</span> on 03 May 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1773868">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2012/04/29/petals-in-water%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:45:39 +0000 stoat 53362 at https://scienceblogs.com Pix of the day https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2011/01/06/pix-of-the-day <span>Pix of the day</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Wyr23DzKmho/TSWOMGgOoyI/AAAAAAAAA6k/bHlrF9sOhcg/s1600/Screen%2Bshot%2B2011-01-06%2Bat%2B6%2BJanuary%252C%2B6.38.35%2BPM.png"><img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Wyr23DzKmho/TSWOMGgOoyI/AAAAAAAAA6k/bHlrF9sOhcg/s1600/Screen%2Bshot%2B2011-01-06%2Bat%2B6%2BJanuary%252C%2B6.38.35%2BPM.png" width="250" align="right" /></a><a href="http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/2011/01/picture-of-day.html">Jules <s>James</s></a> has a lovely pic, which I've shamelessly ripped off here. But go over there too. The paper seems to be at <a href="http://pubpages.unh.edu/~lch/Hamilton_climate_interaction.pdf">pubpages.unh.edu/~lch/Hamilton climate interaction.pdf</a>; fig 1 is perhaps even more entertaining: not a single Republican thinks they don't understand GW at all.</p> <p><br clear="all" /></p> <p><img src="http://www.symantec.com/connect/sites/default/files/images/GlobalProjections.JPG" width="250" align="right" /> While I'm doing pix, this one from <a href="http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/spam-volume-drop-christmas-day">Spam Volume Drop on Christmas Day</a> is also entertaining. BP's share price is quite cheering too, but I won't trouble you with that.</p> <h3>Refs</h3> <p>* <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2011/01/06/everyones-spam-is-unique/">Everyone's spam is unique</a> from Light Blue Touchpaper.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Thu, 01/06/2011 - 07:17</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/climate-communication" hreflang="en">climate communication</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/misc" hreflang="en">Misc</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769084" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294319004"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"not a single Republican thinks they don't understand GW at all"</p> <p>It is most unfortunate that right-wing talk show hosts probably cover climate change more often than New York Times.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769084&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T4O93ODFkf_f1bvxIpku0enTHF6j0KiOc3VDjaZj_Ss"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocco (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769084">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769085" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294328832"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This graph measures threat assessment vs perceived knowledge in ideological opposites. Knowledge increases the threat for Democrats and decreases it for Republicans. The reason is no doubt that the Democrats have no idea how to eliminate the threat and the Republicans do.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769085&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hxXmo87KsmEB7VSfzpxrJDqdcxqL5XgkFmyAaUGghEw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769085">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769086" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294329829"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The reason is no doubt that the Democrats have no idea how to eliminate the threat and the Republicans do.</p></blockquote> <p>You mean, like, haul the scientists involved in front of Congress and accuse them of fraud?</p> <p>Or did you mean try to charge them with fraud in criminal court, as the republican AG of Virginia is attempting to do?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769086&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AiZZCoR7iHAMSPuoXzhaBeDbOBsFn7leZYISidwJ9Z0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dhogaza (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769086">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769087" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294330919"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The ideal Republican plan would be to halt funding for climate studies outside of NASA NOAA, so such hearings would be moot. But, once again you misidentify the task at hand.</p> <p>Right now the world gets about 90% of its power from burning carbon and 10% from other sources. It is generally agreed - even by raging climate deniers - that those percentages have to be flipped by the end of the century. That is the task and further research, while no doubt interesting and informative, is tangential to accomplishing the task.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769087&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="y-XlsDobEnX7vD4VZUjJZc2GpQc4AO-IdA8ILf3Wmhs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769087">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769088" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294331462"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>But, once again you misidentify the task at hand.</p></blockquote> <p>I've correctly identified the threat as perceived by the new Republican leadership, and their self-proclaimed actions will be to attack the threat as they see it, which is the message science brings to the table.</p> <blockquote><p>It is generally agreed - even by raging climate deniers - that those percentages have to be flipped by the end of the century.</p></blockquote> <p>I'm not talking about all raging climate deniers, just those sitting in positions of power in the new House.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769088&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DyOg8vH6jiQefygdarxaj005j1pv2S3ILIWWAmhe7qo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dhogaza (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769088">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769089" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294331822"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jules will have you for lunch. Cooking stoats is a ladylike thing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769089&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="h5dejjAwHVu_RI1wO1kxL8pz_01aMQ9HI1vqqwiR9v0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://rabett.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eli Rabett (not verified)</a> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769089">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769090" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294335489"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul Kelly: How many raging climate deniers are advocating for rapid transformation to low-carbon economy? Could you give us some evidence that there is a general agreement about this?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769090&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AQrN-7hmdqHk3Q-Qt55pkk1lZvfoIaSAsZdBVSK1PjA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocco (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769090">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769091" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294343242"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Rocco.</p> <p>Just off the top of my head, there's Anthony Watts who attacks climates science on a daily basis, but who lives a very low carbon lifesytyle and has spearheaded alternative deployment both in his home and his community(Not an endorsement of Watts's science views). </p> <p>You've added "rapid transformation", which we may agree on but might not be the same as "by the end of the century". Either way, there are many who see the necessity for reasons other than climate. My opinion is that continued insistence on "winning the climate argument" is, at this point, just gumming up the works.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769091&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="M3A5O3Nukn5ETFGPR78GKTXhzNddG9ufhCamng2vrls"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769091">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769092" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294347982"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hank,</p> <p>I've never commented on Watts's blog so it's doubtful he knows about my efforts. As you know, I come here for answers to questions about climate science. As far as recruitment, I'm mainly focused on small businesses and individuals in Chicago. Of course, you are more than welcome to participate in the Leo High School Project.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769092&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3Bs5Zy27VWE9xAKDZ_KyFm9_aqxeURELgJHO0_s6RiY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769092">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769093" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294353202"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sadly, the bunker mentality tends to take over after years of trying to get past the proliferation of idiocy to the substance. For preference, it would be good to avoid spending energy on feeding conflict with people who have slight differences from us. It makes those in agreement into too small a group to be able to do enough.</p> <p>No matter that the blame for this rests solidly on the denial industry, we have to encourage those who are willing to act and avoid the blame game no matter how righteous.</p> <p>My two cents: I'm good at being the fool who rushes in ...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769093&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xa1OQoa_lOvqBscW_lAw9X1PPBg1srquDSVZHm9gVt4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Susan Anderson (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769093">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769094" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294354922"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>PK, have you recruited AW for your program, or signed up with his if he's recruiting? Can you find any more people who would agree with you and him? I'd love to see you organize more toward these goals you share. Perhaps the two of you could get together somehow?</p></blockquote> <p>You must be joking, Hank ... neither of these people are objective, but are driven by politics, and they're both open about it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769094&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_GRlX8htjudgUoSOoIyf_nJrh1gowSfGWzq_-DakH18"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dhogaza (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769094">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769095" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294355046"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul Kelly:</p> <blockquote><p>I've never commented on Watts's blog so it's doubtful he knows about my efforts. As you know, I come here for answers to questions about climate science</p></blockquote> <p>This is stupid. The place to go for a summary of climate science is to read IPCC WG1.</p> <p>Any other strategy proves you to be ideologically driven.</p> <p>[The comments here are degenerating rather rapidly. I've deleted a few which were quite unproductive. Don't make me kill again. I'm really not quite sure why PFK raises quite the level of outrage that he clearly does.</p> <p>To address the exchange above: I really don't understand what D is saying. The IPCC is a splendid report but it won't respond to you if you ask it questions. Suggesting that asking questions on blogs about climate science is "stupid" is not itself very sensible -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769095&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="m9jw6U_6xqTOMk14waCuuBPS1NqigKNFF0utOO4IhJo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dhogaza (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769095">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769096" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294360221"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>dhogaza,</p> <p>What part of (Not an endorsement of Watts's science views) don't you understand? He's just an example for Rocco of a denier who's into energy transformation.</p> <p>As to the stupidity of coming here for science answers, the IPCC WG1 came out in 2007, based mainly on papers published in 2006 and before. Lots of science since then.</p> <p>As to being driven by politics, I've said often that energy transformation can be better achieved outside the political arena and should be seen as a social movement rather than a political one. Grab a glove and get in the game, pal.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769096&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1H0OLTU1bnl8rTqduWV7khLcLsPtF4PAr0YAfLOXofY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769096">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769097" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294372398"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just to help with the education side. It seems to be much worse than you think.</p> <p>I came across this recently : a survey on the US population published in 2010.</p> <p><a href="http://environment.yale.edu/climate/publications/knowledge-of-climate-change">http://environment.yale.edu/climate/publications/knowledge-of-climate-c…</a></p> <p>WC should be pleased that he, along with Messrs Peterson and Fleck, is cited in support of an answer to one of the survey questions.(Question 31)</p> <p>Apparently 47% of the population sampled thinks that fossil fuels are the fossilized remains of dinosaurs : and there are other gems.</p> <p>I thought that some of the questions were difficult without expert knowledge, some questions were badly framed and at least one question is answered wrongly by the experts.</p> <p>Try the questions yourselves : you could look at it as a beginning of the year quiz.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769097&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="baWt_AL9U3CNqJEq-w_ewNIl-ihtGF-fJkheZh6kxWk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">eachran (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769097">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769098" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294382727"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul Kelly: So I am correct in assuming that you made that "general agreement" up? I mean, I don't want to denigrate Watts and his heroic effort in buying solar panels, but one man can only take us so far, right? One would think you'd have better evidence for such an unconventional claim before telling us all about what the "task" is.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769098&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4zYUn871j2dCq1lj7M3lmrc_yxVlnD9W_nhHn1GL3jk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocco (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769098">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769099" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294385807"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Rocco,</p> <p>People support energy transformation for economic, environmental, national security and climate reasons among others. Check out <a href="http://alternativeenergy.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002395">these opinion polls</a>. The one conducted by the Center for American Progress asked "America's <b>economic future</b> requires a transformation away from oil, gas, and coal to renewable energy sources such as wind and solar." 76% agreed. Only 11% disagreed. The claim of general agreement cannot in any way be seen as unconventional. </p> <p>Yes, energy transformation is the task, since the emission reductions you seek cannot be achieved without it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769099&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qbR_DxzfV-LTaSBYfYljGmItv12dUGbpUbOkr5i8ogg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769099">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769100" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294403951"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>WMC: If you want to improve the signal-to-noise ratio then you shouldn't delete just our last posts but the whole "conversation". Unless PK substantiates the basic premise then the whole thing is just noise.</p> <p>[I was trying to delicately hint that people were getting carried away. And no: the original exchange was worth something. What isn't worth something is everyone wanting to have the last word -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769100&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QX9uyVcoZO3g8ZQHZP3rgNDk3hnzwidiSuzMlInVSPs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocco (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769100">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769101" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294408402"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>WMC: Well, I can't speak for others, but I wasn't trying to have the last word. I was actually trying to <i>start</i> the conversation on something tangible. But hey, it's your blog :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769101&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ic0nccwCbPFZ8Wue0v1vRPOw5q_Y0a64yP319fBjBhY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocco (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769101">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769102" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294408844"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Rocco,</p> <p>If you'd like to talk about something tangible, let's start with what we agree on. We both see the necessity of energy transformation. I'd be more than happy to hear your ideas and discuss how it can be accomplished.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769102&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GQvr1CD0_nocbyUTxWrJE7vSwer3C-TsBjuen1Jmqmo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769102">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769103" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294411534"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I suppose we should be happy 47% of Americans think fossil fuels are fossilized dinosaurs -- considering 52% think the earth is 6000 years old! ;-)</p> <p>And Paul's interpretation is wholly disingenuous -- Repugs think they know more; and there is no threat (i.e. not that they know how to "solve" AGW - but that they think it's all bunk). It's the same way that Sen. Inhofe et al would claim to have expert knowledge in AGW (that it's "the biggest hoax perpetrated on the American people" etc ad nauseum).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769103&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RsGD3mqU3ITW6O8qJzQ8xqNQh8N0YAO9u4-cqrYc-hM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carl C (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769103">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769104" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294414304"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul Kelly: I wasn't trying to start a conversation about energy transformation, but about climate denier's opinion on energy transformation (see post no.7). The tangible part was supposed to be the data on which you based your claim about their support for low-carbon economy.<br /> (and I think I'll stop here, before WMC starts hinting again :))</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769104&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lRbnExY33lgNdHxAL0kFsEMzBcvlpIe-4vVT4QKaYWc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocco (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769104">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769105" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294414805"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>(Posted also at James' blog)</p> <p>For anyone interested in reading more about what's behind that first graphic, the paper is available online from the journal Climatic Change at</p> <p><a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/r463w5h2v7j4151x/fulltext.pdf">http://www.springerlink.com/content/r463w5h2v7j4151x/fulltext.pdf</a></p> <p>I believe their "online first" version becomes unavailable once the print edition of this journal comes out.</p> <p>[Thanks; and thank you for stopping by -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769105&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qnFvSudEWiJSsiqN6hO1aGQ1tdaW7ds3BxLCdZt97wI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">L. Hamilton (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769105">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769106" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294420694"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The study mines two surveys for various variable. Of those variables, only political affiliation correlated to threat assessment. </p> <p>The authors assigned a positive value to high threat belief and a negative value to low threat belief. Self identified knowledge in one case and years of education in the other had a positive effect on Democrats and a negative effect on Republicans.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769106&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9Z-XuDUDsJXItuWTpQSkC8RDXjHzzg8J3P_mNTunuiI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769106">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769107" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294422331"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Rereading the paper, gender and age also correlate.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769107&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KTIOa4ciIe-iCBY3pXeAGTgjZTXKuo3wvmEoY40GiLM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769107">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769108" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294438914"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The tangible part was supposed to be the data on which you based your claim about their support for low-carbon economy.</p></blockquote> <p>They don't. William may scratch his head and wonder why people hammer Paul Kelly on this, but I happen to know quite a lot about US politics, and about the various people being brought back to power in the House (for example, Darrel Issa in the past - 25+ years ago - has called population ecology, modern forestry, and various related disciplines that suggest unfettered industrial natural resource extraction efforts might harm various species, ecosystems, etc, and now he's going to try to "prove" that climate science is equally "fraudulent", etc etc).</p> <p>Paul, be honest - the current leadership of the Republican party has absolutely no interest in moving towards a carbon light economy. They *are* interested in reducing dependence on foreign oil, but not by boosting non-fossil fuel options. Their solutions are ... drill ANWR, frack the hell out of any rock formation containing hydrocarbons, and wax the rails to ease eventual development of oil shale (far worse than tar sands in Alberta).</p> <p>Stoat:</p> <blockquote><p>To address the exchange above: I really don't understand what D is saying. The IPCC is a splendid report but it won't respond to you if you ask it questions.</p></blockquote> <p>No, but a certain amount of knowledge can be gained by reading WG1, and Paul's bright enough - he's brighter than all of us put together, because he knows the solution to our problems which escapes the rest of the world (other than "the Republicans" who insist that climate science is a fraud, by some strange coincidence) - to answer his own questions by reading the science.</p> <p>Or perhaps he's not bright enough to do so, and needs to ask many basic questions, which might lead one to question whether or not he actually is genius enough to hold the key to the solution of humanity's future problems ...</p> <blockquote><p>I've said often that energy transformation can be better achieved outside the political arena and should be seen as a social movement rather than a political one. Grab a glove and get in the game, pal.</p></blockquote> <p>I mean ... he wouldn't be lecturing us thus if he weren't really a genius capable of teaching us how we can solve the problem without every admitting that CO2 might possibly cause warming, right?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769108&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H63MIrFBKUIkuc9BbRHQJcpGe7JOHL8MRCbCgNYHzps"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dhogaza (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769108">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769109" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294439172"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul Kelly:</p> <blockquote><p> Knowledge increases the threat for Democrats and decreases it for Republicans.</p></blockquote> <p>But what passes for knowledge among the current Republican leadership is exemplified by the new vice-chairman of the House Committee on SCIENCE.</p> <p>SCIENCE, Stoat. The Chair has already said he'll delegate climate science issues to this guy.</p> <p>And what does his knowledge tell him?</p> <p>Solar flares are responsible for warming, not CO2.</p> <p>Solar flares.</p> <p>As Paul points out, this knowledge reduces the threat, in his mind, of AGW climate change ...</p> <p>Paul is arguing that this is rational ...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769109&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7evL2WqKVnQTLgPz4FrZgKjDpcJLDwFWhOOkteHVyo8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dhogaza (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769109">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769110" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294442570"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't know why dhogaza is allowed to continuously misrepresent my views in the most inane manner, and attribute to me words I've never spoken. He is so relentlessly wrong. </p> <p>And yet, now he says "...thus if he weren't really a genius capable of teaching us how we can solve the problem without every admitting that CO2 might possibly cause warming, right?". Now, that's quite a thing to say about a fella. </p> <p>[Um. Generally, I assume that you are one of the people happy with rough-and-tumble. However, D is getting well out of order (that is a strong hint, BTW), you have clearly nettled him; politics does that to people. As far as I can tell, you have never denied that GHG cause warming, and the quote of his above is indeed a misattribution of your views; and a quite pointless one, as well. Only for the sake of clarity, could you do me a favour and read <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/07/what_i_think_about_global_warm.php">What I think about global warming</a> and state clearly and concisely which of 1-4 you agree with; or if you agree with the entire post -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769110&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NDEPG6ydm3BxNRHW197NRP5FOLjyTwW1HiUjmYDvY1Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769110">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769111" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294482449"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>1. The earth is getting warmer (0.6 +/- 0.2 oC in the past century; 0.1 0.17 oC/decade over the last 30 years<br /> Agree </p> <p>2. People are causing this<br /> Might rephrase to people are causing a significant portion of it, a minor quibble.</p> <p>3. If GHG emissions continue, the warming will continue and indeed accelerate<br /> Yes, as long as this doesn't imply tipping points or "runaway warming". Since the relationship of GHGs to temperature is non linear, I'd expect periods of acceleration and periods of deceleration. </p> <p>4. (This will be a problem and we ought to do something about it)<br /> Yes. I do not discount or devalue climate concerns. I do think that there are economic, environmental and security issues due to fossil fuel dependence of equal or greater concern and certainty.</p> <p>[Thanks. Your minor quibble on 2 is allowable, but probably wrong (though I suspect that many reasonable people make the same error). Certainly recent natural forcing is if anything negative, so a more reasonable answer is that (they best guess is that) we're responsible for more than the observed warming.</p> <p>As for the acc, well I agree: <i>I should probably qualify "the warming will continue and indeed accelerate" - the warming goes up to ~0.2-0.3 oC/decade, depending on scenario (see, I still don't care about the exact value and didn't even bother look it up) but doesn't accelerate thereafter (well, except for SRES A2).</i> -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769111&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xwK-426fBwGSyWn2DKS4uqdaQOVrV9GXXBih21oN26M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1769111">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2011/01/06/pix-of-the-day%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:17:28 +0000 stoat 53158 at https://scienceblogs.com Random https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/09/26/random <span>Random</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/5001769691/" title="no-fire by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/5001769691_91f2fe3a37.jpg" width="224" height="376" alt="no-fire" align="right" /></a> I liked it, anyway, enough to clean it up. Perhaps better in context: <a href="http://laughingsquid.com/echo-park-time-travel-mart/">Echo Park Time Travel Mart</a> (via TS's feed). And the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/4990746950/">Victorian iPods</a> are good, too.</p> <p>Via <a href="http://capitalistimperialistpig.blogspot.com/2010/09/suffering-rich.html">CIP</a>, who feels for the suffering rich, a good piece from Krugman (which is itself really from <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/09/in-which-mr-deling-responds-to-someone-who-might-be-professor-todd-henderson.html">Brad DeLong</a>) <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/rat-race-america/">Rat Race America</a>. On why those who are really quite comfortably off no longer feel as comfortable as they would have 30 years ago.</p> <p><a href="http://quomodocumque.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/engine-summer-and-godels-theorem/">Godel in Engine Summer?</a>. You decide. But if you haven't read it, you should. And The Deep. And Beasts. But don't read Little, Big. Or at least, not all of it.</p> <p><img src="http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/wp-content/themes/rallytorestoresanity/images/TDS_banner_left.jpg" align="left" width="167" height="286" /><a href="http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/">If we had to sum up the political view of our participants in a single sentence... we couldn't. That's sort of the point.</a></p> <p><a href="http://solveclimate.com/blog/20100923/global-warming-may-have-slowed-1970s-due-suddenly-cooler-oceans">Rumours of an explanation of a bit of the 70's cooling</a>.<br /><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100922/full/467381a.html">Nature's take</a>, <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7314/full/nature09394.html">and the thing itself</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://theclimatescum.blogspot.com/2010/09/in-which-religions-scientists-must.html">Monckton on God</a>. Monckton has already had far far more publicity than he deserves. But it is convenient to keep a link to <a href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2010/09/24/21-experts-refute-monckton/">everyone pointing out how wrong he is</a>. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/sep/21/climate-scientists-christopher-monckton">More</a>.</p> <p>I think I need to pad out the text a bit here in order to make the images line up nicely. Um, what shall I say? It is raining. We've hoovered the living room. Errm, there must be more to life than that. I know: I'll point out, unoriginally I'm sure, that <a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png">the sea ice</a> is definitely off its min, and definnitely "only" #3 in the records. As to what the september min will come in at, we'll see in a little while.</p> <p><img src="http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/china_09_24/c08_24683353.jpg" width="250" height="166" align="right" /> Pix from China (h/t mt): <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/09/scenes_from_china.html">boston.com/bigpicture/</a>. mt chose the dam; I prefer this one. <a href="http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/china_09_24/c28_25204697.jpg">This</a> is the scary one.</p> <p><a href="http://www.digitalsundial.com/ordering.html">Miscellany: digital sundial</a>. Who would have thought it? Oh, and <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Compact-Disc-spectrum-Mercury.jpg">the spectrum of mercury through a CD</a>. And a nice pic to demonstrate that <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/guts_at_work.php">PZ isn't all bad</a> by any means.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Sun, 09/26/2010 - 04:45</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/misc" hreflang="en">Misc</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/links" hreflang="en">Links</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767778" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1319594827"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I strictly recommend not to wait until you get big sum of cash to order different goods! You should just get the <a href="http://goodfinance-blog.com/topics/credit-loans">credit loans</a> or just secured loan and feel yourself fine</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767778&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bOS5kHFyDFns-6gSdc-E_eXAdlLPd2Nrc2KUwV-6ObM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://goodfinance-blog.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NatalieNEWMAN21 (not verified)</a> on 25 Oct 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767778">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767779" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1324454028"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I propose not to hold off until you get enough money to buy all you need! 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And will likely never see again.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767782&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5GdnTMow6JR-lkfjOSNHw_JFWg8vZcnP79-aKAAmX9E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pough (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767782">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767783" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285503826"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>⢠Statistical methods for meteorology and climate change, 12-14 January 2011, CRM, Montreal.<br /><a href="http://130.44.194.100/meetings/calendar/2011_jan12-14_montr.html">http://130.44.194.100/meetings/calendar/2011_jan12-14_montr.html</a></p> <p>Hat tip to: <a href="http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/math-and-the-environment-in-montreal/">http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/math-and-the-environment…</a></p> <p>[Yeees: but why? -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767783&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xeq2YZY4mFYXArj_0FffTLQ5vmuPrv6RjkZUe7la3tk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767783">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767784" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285504210"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sure it wasn't a pseudo-random number generator.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767784&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KKPShtRJM4A4biMMgEP2FJ2_CjKIDO92vqjosHI7qb8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David B. Benson (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767784">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767785" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285507325"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm guessing then that is everyone's reaction to Little, Big. It was brilliant, until it wasn't. Now I'll try the others.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767785&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CjTSQYtcEC1AK1ReTnBnhWy3lpabLQdXZuulqNfZj94"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Heraclitus (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767785">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767786" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285513070"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Since I live in the DC area, I plan to attend the rally, although it may be tough to miss Colbert's "Keep the Fear Alive" rally.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767786&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P5eBKHJ06TR5a_gbmuaVm-3Rdgo-i88vAs17AmGMFPI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Deech56 (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767786">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767787" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285519682"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>&gt; statistical methods ... but why?<br /> Oh, just 'cause i don't know if this meeting belongs in the "restore sanity" or the "keep fear alive" category.<br /> Only name I recognize is von Storch. Perhaps a clue ....</p> <p>[von S is good, so that is a good sign. You should ask James -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767787&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PVxYzXIG3zaswexm_ffpezUESQGZPIOIvWogU7fIGPs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767787">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767788" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285535289"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lab Lemming was AFAEKs the first to do the CD diffraction trick.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767788&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uZiy38BDofWcV0xk6MCxailOZA7rpxkSLfpVxJSxJfQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://rabett.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eli Rabett (not verified)</a> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767788">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767789" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285535474"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi William, okay Lord Monckton is a nut job; that is funny. (Which doesn't mean his Wikipedia biography should say so. :)</p> <p>[Why do you think his wikipedia bio should be disconnected from reality? -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767789&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7ZpxRA9YPaTibekTL9EdtOEkIfWWphIXqYfjCEUNhOc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767789">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767790" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285536109"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>By the way, on the subject of Arctic ice, what are your thoughts on this one? <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/08/inconvenient-ice-study-less-ice-in-the-arctic-ocean-6000-7000-years-ago/">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/08/inconvenient-ice-study-less-ice-i…</a> Try to imagine that Anthony Watts is not the Devil, but just a lowly reporter, and consider the source he's reporting on. :)</p> <p>[I'd say that apart from putting his own slant on it with the use of "Inconvenient" there isn't much wrong with Watts post, since he is mostly quoting a press release. "Thoughts" would include the way the septics are rather keen on accepting really very indirect proxy evidence when it supports their view but reject far stronger evidence when it opposes it. In this case, this study doesn't oppose any of my views so I have no problems with it. I'm somewhat dubious about their assertion taht they can talk about the entire Arctic - this is one area, and they seem to deduce that the sea must have been ice free all the way to the North Pole, which sounds odd to me -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767790&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C6dDwEhXpuhHHcHagjMOSiRjggcXIMB3FJoueIodJeM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767790">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767791" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285542286"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>&gt; 6-7000 years ago<br /> Duh.<br /><a href="http://www.globalwarmingart.com/images/thumb/b/bb/Holocene_Temperature_Variations_Rev.png/350px-Holocene_Temperature_Variations_Rev.png">http://www.globalwarmingart.com/images/thumb/b/bb/Holocene_Temperature_…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767791&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mCCKybcx7OSGoeGMcqcPE7sCKYHIhRb5Iocsvt1uh0c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://h" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767791">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767792" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285548477"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Digital sundial could have a compass, gyroscope and a bubble level for a wrist version... lol.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767792&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jP060OQwxshHKK3KMVQybjARB9_NUsD6g2JZfuIcA_U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jyyh (not verified)</span> on 26 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767792">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767793" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285567244"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Hank,</p> <p>I thank William for deleting my earlier hastily written response. What I really wanted to say is this. </p> <p>Given the uncertainty surrounding even the most reliable charts of our most recent surface temperatures, and then given all the caveats and controversies surrounding proxy reconstructions of just the past 2000 years, what is that figure you've presented from 'global warming art' dot com supposed to mean? If I take it at face value and follow the black line I'd have to conclude that global average temperatures exceeded those of 6-7000BP in the year 2004AD. If I follow one of the blue lines it seems there was an exceptionally warm period at ~ 7800BP and another one at ~ 6900BP (forgive inaccacuracies of my eyeball estimations). I have no idea what the other coloured lines mean. Is it fair that I consider it a completely meaningless distraction? If not, could you at least explain how it's relevant? Thanks.</p> <p>Best, Alex</p> <p>[The lines are explained; I'd look at the wiki version <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png</a> But the overall point is that different proxies produce different answers. There is a value feeling of overall warmer temperatures ~6-7kyr ago, but it isn't easy to translate that into a global temperaure. So then you can look at other proxies - like, say, the shape of the wave or ice imprints on the North Greenland fossil beaches - and try to use those to say what might have happened. But 1kyr is a long time, and there is no guarantee of uniformity in that time -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767793&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5SLheUW2vGM5-eB7LE9uol0wVnemWemCmJ9_1zF7d1I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767793">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767794" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285568995"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi William,</p> <p>I have no idea what 'septics' or even 'skeptics' are saying about the link I posted (whoever/whatever they are). I haven't read the comments at Anthony Watts' site or anywhere else. I specifically asked for your opinion because you were a researcher with the British Antarctic Survey and you regularly post on the Arctic sea ice situation. As for me, a sort of amateur researcher, I've actually been trying to come up to speed on this issue. There are some things about the Arctic issue that could be a sort of 'game changer' if they prove true. That is, they could convince me personally that global warming (as distinct from 'climate change' generally) is a real problem. Your thoughts are appreciated.</p> <p>Best, Alex</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767794&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0_NuSuFxEVvuHpYQbROdbWJOoHlVXNP968HrlF_aUeI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767794">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767795" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285574210"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>&gt; Alex Harvey ... no idea what the other<br /> &gt; coloured lines mean<br /> They're explained on the page the thumbnail links to:<br /><a href="http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/File:1000_Year_Temperature_Comparison_png">http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/File:1000_Year_Temperature_Compari…</a></p> <p>On the confused rich, seems they're confused by something I recall my high school math teacher explaining. They're "on an exponentially rising curve" (wealth). Those always look very steep on the uphill side, and flattish on the downhill side, no matter where you are.</p> <p>This site, tho' a bit outdated, gets it pretty clearly:<br /> Search Results</p> <p> The L-Curve: A Graph of the US Income Distribution<br /><a href="http://www.lcurve.org/">www.lcurve.org/</a> </p> <p> L-Curve: The Movie<br /><a href="http://www.lcurve.org/LCurveVideo.htm">www.lcurve.org/LCurveVideo.htm</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767795&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GqRW2vbrwKGpoOx8YHz7eKTdnqog4KUJS6ZZXtY-HEY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 27 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767795">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767796" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285594051"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>From William's "Rumors of an explanation" link to Solveclimate:<br /> ____________excerpt follows________</p> <p>... Trenberth said the authors' analytical method was "very good" and noted that it has been adopted by other scientists.</p> <p>Fast temperature shifts may be nothing new. Paleoclimate ice core records show multiple cases of sudden temperature changes, said Wallace. These so-called "abrupt climate change" events usually occurred over one to two decades.</p> <p>Whether the 1970s drop in sea surface temperature qualifies as an abrupt climate change event isnât clear, said Wallace. However, "those ice records prove that climate can change abruptlyâmore abruptly than previously thought."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767796&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9Pf_4g-hHEeNEo-GqIssb7B06ygm9w8WhW8Dvyw8vbY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 27 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767796">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767797" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285602486"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just wondering if the relatively short arctic sea ice melt season has any meaning?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767797&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="a58VAe0qRzA1fcNQQLVVtRf8yOnPbD7UlB02oXY01MM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul Kelly (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767797">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767798" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285637171"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You wouldn't want the ice melt season to be any longer, would you? There'll be little to nothing of it left soon enough without wishing more of it away sooner.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767798&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8o_Wo6tSj-NNyAYYgLj7YKhxE0OGL_aLRcviGhWw2LM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">adelady (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767798">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767799" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285726544"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi William, I am looking further into the press release and I see it says,</p> <p>"Astrid LysÃ¥ says that such old beach formations require that the sea all the way to the North Pole was periodically ice free for a long time."</p> <p>Is your position that it is still possible to have an ice free Arctic somewhere in 6-7000BP but in global average surface temperature terms still be less than the CWP (current warm period)? Or is your position that the Arctic probably wasn't ice free, as this geologist believes? (Or both?)</p> <p>Best, Alex</p> <p>[Firstly, there is nothing very special about the North Pole from the point of view of the winds or the ice, so I find it hard to believe her statement literally. But if I interpret it as "for quite some distance, comparable to that to the pole" then it can be understood.</p> <p>More: it would (in theory) be possible to have an ice-free Arctic from 6,500-6,700 and ice covered for the rest of the time. Very unlikely, true, but possible. So the temporal average is unclear. It *might* be possible to have an ice-free Arctic but globally lower temps than now - look up the Milankovitch forcing stuff: the point being that at some times in the orbit there is a strong increase in insolation at ~65N, whilst global insolation is essentially unchanged. I don't know if 6 kyr is one of those times. So the greographical average is unclear. And lastly, I don't know enough to interpret her evidence, nor do I know the literature well enough to know whether her interpretation is accepted -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767799&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vPSVtzVF0gGeVgpZu8zQ_wiMtrojUAZa1EHYjEfU_wM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 28 Sep 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767799">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767800" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1335304024"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Different people in the world receive the <a href="http://goodfinance-blog.com/topics/personal-loans">personal loans</a> in various creditors, because it's fast and easy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767800&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dRZ_pkossw9lK_FRW5eXzPaE_0G2xIeDsRRIwnjni6A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://goodfinance-blog.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">AMBERWallace (not verified)</a> on 24 Apr 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1767800">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/09/26/random%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:45:44 +0000 stoat 53111 at https://scienceblogs.com Hornet breaking the sound barrier https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/07/09/hornet-breaking-the-sound-barr <span>Hornet breaking the sound barrier</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=1445"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/wp-content/blogs.dir/450/files/2012/04/i-fa5b0a66f0ea6e6c3d8e66888e56d0bd-hornet-990707-N-6483G-001.jpg" alt="i-fa5b0a66f0ea6e6c3d8e66888e56d0bd-hornet-990707-N-6483G-001.jpg" width="600/" /></a></p> <p>Isn't it lovely (it isn't new. The pic is from 1999 and I've seen it before. But seeing it on someone's wiki page reminded me). Far better than a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/03/31/you-just-cant-parody-this-junk/">Green Hornet</a>.</p> <p>Or maybe you'd rather <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/07/summer-in-city.html">listen to the wabbit</a>.</p> <p>[Update: see various comments. The situation is more complex than I though, and possibly not fully understood. See-also <a href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/soubar.html">cute pix here</a> -W]</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Fri, 07/09/2010 - 00:46</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/photo" hreflang="en">Photo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hornet" hreflang="en">hornet</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766833" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278653354"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>No, it's not. It's passing through a condensation point. See <a href="http://wilk4.com/misc/soundbreak.htm">here</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766833&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zwV2ok-TBia5pdV6HdhzWZjQdVuS_-Uv1RnIt7HQGTU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://evolvingthoughts.net" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John S. Wilkins (not verified)</a> on 09 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766833">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766834" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278653412"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh. <i>That</i> kind of hornet. If it had been <i>vespa crabro</i>, it would have been a lot more sensational.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766834&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fPZVQZ5V_zF9NA_TJdzE1rdSfkov0vrohETsns_CrNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phillip IV (not verified)</span> on 09 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766834">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766835" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278678366"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Such a picturesque way of delivering death and destruction.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766835&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ff62R8m6cBB8v_kpGa3rfHW50IB46bI6Ji1VvjRXOLk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andrew (not verified)</span> on 09 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766835">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766836" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278686299"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/soubar.html">http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/soubar.html</a><br /> "This photo of the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber, which does not break the sound barrier, shows that the extraordinary cloud effect is not exactly tied to the breaking of the sound barrier...."</p> <p>Some of these images would be lovely to see photoshopped with a real hornet. Or perhaps a huge manatee.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766836&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-ucmQNBXK7P9WV4rKcvZDx_ShiEZnJ_63ig4YvVYgak"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 09 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766836">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766837" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278686663"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"breaking the sound barrier". On a science blog, no less. Oy vey, the power of folk tales/physics is strong in this one society.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766837&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7JQmk_CiIlEqmRqBW6Zp3d11bhMOUNuoKnPR3qIJRis"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Torbjörn Larsson, OM">Torbjörn Lars… (not verified)</span> on 09 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766837">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766838" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278696245"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>&gt; If the associated volumes cannot quickly change,<br /> &gt; then the ideal gas law suggests that the temperature<br /> &gt; in the low pressure regions must drop</p> <p>Well, that refutes the theory that the temperature of Venus is so high due to supersonic flights by its natives, anyhow.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766838&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dXh_MsVNEaDGLjAS4ShDaIf8b7OXquJKHcjc72hPjF8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 09 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766838">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766839" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278763067"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>to pass the speed of sound. looks incredibly beautiful. Who knows how the transition will be the speed of light.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766839&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8ANrktyh484JEgXV5HWyJZnQeZV3PrqwByPQR7sCBKs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.oyunoyna.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oyunlar (not verified)</a> on 10 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766839">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1766840" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293715765"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nice photo!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1766840&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OuwbdgkTRFU1tVwW6ju_pcVFH-_mBct9xqtPcbC3hOM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://massloadedvinylsite.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mark (not verified)</a> on 30 Dec 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1766840">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/07/09/hornet-breaking-the-sound-barr%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:46:11 +0000 stoat 53066 at https://scienceblogs.com Grave face https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/01/26/grave-face <span>Grave face</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4307647978/" title="dscn5502_grave_face by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4307647978_c59a37832f.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="dscn5502_grave_face" /></a></p> <p>Going through the photo backlog. From Jenny's village.</p> <!--more--><p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4306951627/" title="dscn4015-leafsquare by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4306951627_061d8e8ebd.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="dscn4015-leafsquare" /></a></p> <p>Leaves on the patio in D's sandpit.</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4307761518/" title="Dscn2215-frozen-stream by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4307761518_1d2e08a49a.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dscn2215-frozen-stream" /></a></p> <p>Winter river. Christ Church meadow.</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4307798460/" title="DSCN6671-rose by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2739/4307798460_3ebdb4c2d7.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSCN6671-rose" /></a></p> <p>Rose. Bridge of Sighs.</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4307852038/" title="DSCN6862 by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4307852038_c92078e2da.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSCN6862" /></a></p> <p>Bridge, Cheddington.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Tue, 01/26/2010 - 10:31</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/photo" hreflang="en">Photo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/christ-church" hreflang="en">christ church</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/face" hreflang="en">face</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/frozen" hreflang="en">frozen</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/grave" hreflang="en">grave</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jenny" hreflang="en">jenny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/leaves" hreflang="en">leaves</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764324" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264584608"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>These are very, very good - as the self-produced photos always are here! </p> <p>[Thanks :-) -W]</p> <p>It reminds me of something I wanted to ask: are there any truly "wild" animals left in the UK? Excluding of course birds, and rodents (e.g. the stoat, although technically a weasel)? In other words is there an equivalent to what we call here in the US "endangered species"? I would imagine not based on geography and history.</p> <p>[Tut. Weasels aremustelids, not rodents. I'd say the Scottish wildcat is about the most exciting we have, and <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-10-most-endangered-species-in-britain-414113.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-10-most-endangered-species…</a> seems to agree with me. We slaughtered all the exciting stuff some time ago -W]</p> <p>ps- I'm 'fraid for this years NH Sea Ice</p> <p>[Aha, are you? How afraid? Enough for a bet ;-? -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764324&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9X0tpCDz506wX481Z0_suTlfd3d1kC35JBJMuNZquzM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">thomas hine (not verified)</span> on 27 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764324">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764325" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264617459"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>wild =! endangered</p> <p>For large mammals, badgers and deer (various species) fall into the former category. Foxes too. There are probably others. Beavers have been reintroduced recently in small areas. Oh, how could I forget seals and various whales/dolphins. Some wild horses in Wales and maybe elsewhere - but are they really wild, or just feral?</p> <p>I also think those pics are good - though in contrast to Thomas, I'll go out on a limb and say they are better than usual :-)</p> <p>[Thanks. Are you J or J? I ought to say somewhere, and here will do, that I appreciate your pix too. Keep them up -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764325&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="v7YF52V1O1E0c63t_Q7Y7D2j_b08zgn2Ry-QgnZ_WKU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">James Annan (not verified)</a> on 27 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764325">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764326" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264624000"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Anyone remember Tufty?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764326&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rAX5Q0OA6HXUEGJssrqW8kl70hdPb_VPbeQ06EXoPhU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">P. Lewis (not verified)</span> on 27 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764326">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764327" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264648416"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The 'wild' horses in the UK such as the Exmoor &amp; New Forest Ponies are near-feral stock. Most are maintained by feeding through the winter &amp; in fact all individuals of both these breeds are privately owned.</p> <p>There are two native deer, the Red Deer and the Roe, both have healthy stocks (the former is maintained in large numbers on Scottish estates for shooting), in addition there are large populations of the non-native Fallow &amp; Muntjac Deer, and smaller numbers of Sika, Chinese Water and Reindeer.</p> <p>Other native 'large' mammals include the otter, pine marten &amp; polecat (none common though their UK populations are on the increase), the Brown- and Mountain-Hare and the declining Red Squirrel. Boar, Wolves, Bears and Beavers didn't make it to the 17th century in the UK with Bears huted to extinction by the 11thC, Wolves the 15th &amp; Boar and Beavers the 17th. The latter two have both recently been re-introduced, though in the case of Boar, accidentally from farms...</p> <p>The UK also has three species of native reptile - the adder, common- and sand-lizard.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764327&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1_wzVWkeJqZN8HAJrcomOhJhBDNuJo6a4uo99-LT2eo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris S. (not verified)</span> on 27 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764327">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764328" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264650111"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There's also the grass snake, smooth snake and (I think it's native) the slow worm.</p> <p>There are newts too, but I don't think they're reptiles?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764328&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T-6ivkYv4CQbrsLB98jMj9udL6KROpL5hnsO0LIYaJ0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam (not verified)</span> on 27 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764328">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764329" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264670549"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm glad to get a better picture from these comments. I guess what brought up the question is how Europe has such beauty but in a different way - it all has subtle human elements (hydrological, agricultural, historical) that are inescapable which isn't bad. I've been to parks in Denmark that seem more "magical" to me than deep mountain wilderness here in Colorado.<br /> But Conservation Biology and Sustainablility are limited by history and geography there. Whereas the U.S, has limped forward succesfully towards this cause (so it seems) because of larger geography/diversity/and changing mindsets. We have problems though - government snipers shooting Elk to thin out herds (sedation and installation of birth control was considered). Also, we are developing a real problem with re-introduced Moose in our northern mountains - they are everywhere and this will need to be addressed. My folly was with native fishes. If anyone wants to see some unseen corners of Colorado feel free to see: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/nombret">http://www.flickr.com/photos/nombret</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764329&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OZC2y6Qix6R_v_lmq8DC_RZSyWtCxYStoSkrahmEx8o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">thomas hine (not verified)</span> on 28 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764329">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764330" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264685890"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Chris S. | January 28, 2010 4:13 AM Said:<br /> 'The UK also has three species of native reptile - the adder, common- and sand-lizard.'</p> <p>You forgot the grass snake, smooth snake and the slow-worm - a lizard.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764330&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KUgHJCdybunRegOQc0y8HudWHqeqEl8uga3hkfYBbZ8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Amoeba (not verified)</span> on 28 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764330">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764331" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264700174"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Re: Adam &amp; Amoeba. Yes, rather a d'oh! moment - that'll teach me to check my facts before hitting send... </p> <p>There are three species of UK newt though.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764331&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aq5Q22i8e1Ltwx5EjWLDDLiIGTxeqMElfF44Gl3XYQo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris S. (not verified)</span> on 28 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764331">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764332" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264729620"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Beautiful photos! William - do you mind if I borrow the river one for teaching? The slush on the edges and open water in the middle is a good illustration of the distribution of velocity and shear stress in a stream.</p> <p>[Thanks, and yes you're welcome -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764332&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="y4hs1P0ndwRuv5KR0I2u9cdqp00wIXoE2yqlibPIN-o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andy Wickert (not verified)</span> on 28 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764332">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/01/26/grave-face%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:31:54 +0000 stoat 52956 at https://scienceblogs.com I love this so much https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/01/24/i-just-love-this-so-much <span>I love this so much</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://pw201.livejournal.com/125361.html"><img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/pw201/pic/000ek081" /></a></p> <p>Sometimes I have to admit I'm completely outclassed, and people who can find this kind of stuff win hands down.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Sun, 01/24/2010 - 12:28</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fun" hreflang="en">fun</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/misc" hreflang="en">Misc</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/laundry" hreflang="en">laundry</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mother" hreflang="en">mother</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/paul" hreflang="en">Paul</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764275" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264356355"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have a pair of trousers whose washing instructions say simply 'Give Them Hell'. (In two languages. They were expensive trousers.)</p> <p>Unfortunately, I did as I was told and they shrank.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764275&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Grk8cO-uRf1oRwWUE0mee9QpV4i5lJHaJJ6aAsnnV8s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vinny Burgoo (not verified)</span> on 24 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764275">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/01/24/i-just-love-this-so-much%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:28:33 +0000 stoat 52954 at https://scienceblogs.com Beautiful https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/01/22/beautiful <span>Beautiful</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Isn't this beautiful:</p> <p><a href="http://ict-aeolus.eu/images/horns_rev.jpg"><img src="http://ict-aeolus.eu/images/horns_rev.jpg" /></a></p> <p>Story behind it from <a href="http://withouthotair.blogspot.com/2010/01/wind-farm-wakes.html">withouthotair.blogspot.com/2010/01/wind-farm-wakes</a>.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Fri, 01/22/2010 - 08:41</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/climate-economics" hreflang="en">climate economics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/climate-science" hreflang="en">climate science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/beautiful" hreflang="en">beautiful</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/power" hreflang="en">Power</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wake" hreflang="en">wake</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wind" hreflang="en">wind</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/windmills" hreflang="en">windmills</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764253" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264170404"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So don't parade-ground them like that. Duh!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764253&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-234toWWxwsW9yMwOaqZEqfVDv08SapUCTgoWhQXX-c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vinny Burgoo (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764253">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764254" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264177557"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Beautiful - yes! As are the physics. It seems that one could rather simply figure out the locations of the pressure shadows and vortices shed during particular wind conditions (especially with the help of the fantastic experiment illustrated here) and plan better in the future.</p> <p>As a side note on beauty in fluids: the educated audience here may all be familiar with this one (<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Vortex-street-1.jpg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Vortex-street-1.jpg</a>), but how about this one (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Airplane_vortex_edit.jpg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Airplane_vortex_edit.jpg</a>)?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764254&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oNeGW3zoVkarV-2GG3Uo8RGrvv4N-h3yIvHAyzvO0f4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andy Wickert (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764254">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764255" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264245452"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yeah, but if they were _really_ efficient at capturing energy out of the air, there would be carbon dioxide snow flurries and liquid oxygen and nitrogen rain behind the turbines, not just a little water vapor fog.</p> <p>The actual paper is interesting; the picture is of the worst case, wind directly in line.</p> <p>But I wonder if they could map the vortices coming off those things to use them -- think how geese fly in a 'V' -- trading off the difficult point position-- all the rest picking up energy from the vortexes.<br /><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=energy+transfer+wing+feather+vortex">http://www.google.com/search?q=energy+transfer+wing+feather+vortex</a></p> <p>I'd bet in a decade a wind generator will look more like a bird's wing, an array of 'feathers' flexing and transferring that motion into useful electricity, with something like this:<br /><a href="http://news.google.com/news?q=piezoelectric">http://news.google.com/news?q=piezoelectric</a> magnitude</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764255&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tLfg_HsA8KKqL1rCkpimI4RWMkuBa0Cca4-hJl5julk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 23 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764255">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764256" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264245663"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Current ideas about using the vortexes include:<br /><a href="http://www.asknature.org/strategy/9ce3fb70888cf300f37d90c0c3e8864c">http://www.asknature.org/strategy/9ce3fb70888cf300f37d90c0c3e8864c</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764256&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="e6wjt9DLUCBLfLZZv3iiPvMQhCoBfWheSQWVWtad1_w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 23 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764256">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764257" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264413523"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>tampering with nature again . . . how long before this activity is frowned upon?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764257&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nJ_EZqy4ZxpvjKzckqcj1D0rMQGjMpNeKaa_nzt56pg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">thomas hine (not verified)</span> on 25 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764257">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/01/22/beautiful%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:41:17 +0000 stoat 52951 at https://scienceblogs.com Poor old Monckton https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/01/19/poor-old-monckton <span>Poor old Monckton</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Monckton_of_brenchley.jpg/210px-Monckton_of_brenchley.jpg" align="right" /> Off in <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/22/william-connolley-and-wikipedia-turborevisionism/">Wootsup land</a> someone called Gudfry is having trouble with the portrayal of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley">Monckton on wikipedia</a>, saying:</p> <blockquote><p>I see Connelly and his "tag-team" are at it again. This time it's about the many disputed entries about Lord Monckton, the prominent anti-AGW campaigner.<br /> Many contributors have argued that they have chosen a picture of him which is unflattering, and at worst, deliberately derogatory - which is agaist wiki rules.<br /> After a temporary removal, there has been an edit war which Connelly's tag-team have won, insisting that it stays. See "Discussion" page on<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Mo…</a></p> <p>They're fascists. </p></blockquote> <p>If you like these kind of disputes, this one is quite amusing. The problem, of course, is that the picture makes Lord M look like a bit of a wacko (see endless debate on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley">talk page</a>). Now you or I might make the obvious rejoinder, but clearly his supporters can't. The usual folk have been removing the image with some utterly implausible assertions (e.g. [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley&amp;diff=336894310&amp;oldid=336893226">1</a>]). Wiki would be happy to use any other decent pic of him, but he hasn't made a PD one available. I would have thought that the solution to this problem is to write to his fully-staffed PR dept and get them to OK one, but that doesn't seem to have happened.</p> <p>But if you want the piss really being taken out of Lord M, you want Bad Boy <a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/mycroft-monckton-makes-mischief/">Gareth</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2009/12/poor_old_watts.php">Poor old Watts</a> refers.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Tue, 01/19/2010 - 01:16</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/generic-stupidity" hreflang="en">generic stupidity</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/blp" hreflang="en">blp</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/monckton" hreflang="en">Monckton</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wiki" hreflang="en">wiki</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wottsup" hreflang="en">wottsup</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764133" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263885910"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That picture makes him look like a wide-eyed lunatic - so, what's supposed to be wrong with it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764133&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="n0Op2uqX6CvyfiwQLMIRWMp2yF97jcZr_yjBcjvbRNs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phillip IV (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764133">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764134" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263890427"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The google and yahoo image searches reveal that I loved him in 'Young Frankenstein'.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764134&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J4b-nDvaNAm-VBjAt94znCNIiigxBNBhQQKV0Cu0UHw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stacy M (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764134">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764135" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263893313"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>He does have Marty Feldman eyes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764135&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FSdt_81j5ioRMQzysHUc8s6NFkIjE0q7zvJspEbmMEw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rattus Norvegicus (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764135">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764136" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263896455"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Prominent? He's positively leptokurtic!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764136&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ms7G2NRiYvXnVtzrjotJvBh_YiIg30DpKvvMm6fBfl4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vinny Burgoo (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764136">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764137" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263896749"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is really about his tie, isn't it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764137&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dk1cc5JFJBTqIZp0D0_BN2SETX2PMvdYDgAsbXSIQwc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764137">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764138" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263897006"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>(Someone should tell him the magic words)<br /><a href="http://www.legendofbill.com/comics/2009-11-09_THEriseOFsirMORTON-Alt_FINAL.jpg">http://www.legendofbill.com/comics/2009-11-09_THEriseOFsirMORTON-Alt_FI…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764138&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="POW83OJF-9m5hv6kV_-l659wOccDWi8Mp99eFKIwVAc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764138">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764139" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263913171"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I thought I'd used all the dorky pictures of Monckton out there, but you've shown me a new one.</p> <p>I think this one</p> <p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j7nAU9sOTnM/SQMC8rwV27I/AAAAAAAACMA/1Nn_-qIBh34/s1600-h/monckton.jpeg">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j7nAU9sOTnM/SQMC8rwV27I/AAAAAAAACMA/1Nn_-qIBh…</a></p> <p>...is actually my fave.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764139&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FzF9iDsbKgG0Apgh9Ik4tL5DiBdyidepDD95sjqXZ3A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bigcitylib (not verified)</a> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764139">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764140" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263917406"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>&gt; I think this one</p> <p>Hmmmmm. Same shirt, same tie.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764140&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LINCtuWTBC_Mqe_SWdxd_7DLpKD6PQ25j2wddQoTxds"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764140">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764141" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263924890"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>William,</p> <p>So you have now admitted here that, "the picture makes Lord M look like a bit of a wacko."</p> <p>That is, of course, obvious, but you can't say that in Wikipedia without "assuming bad faith", which your gang is fond of hiding behind.</p> <p>But now, this post here, on your blog, is, what, just to flaunt publicly your ability to abuse Wikipedia's policies and get away with it?</p> <p>Okay, so before I escalate the matter, you now have the opportunity to demonstrate that I've misunderstood, and that in fact you aren't just taking the piss out of Wikipedia here.</p> <p>Thanks,<br /> Alex</p> <p>[You may escalate to your heaarts content, old fruit, as long as you're honest and accurate. I've called plenty of people wackos on wiki; I'm pretty sure I've called Lord M a wacko; what are you complaining about? -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764141&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="a-4IfDnL1lnZqIzMdoWR9TEfRKb5fYfFF-dqzK_FZEc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764141">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764142" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263927198"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Alex,</p> <p>I don't want to speak for the blog owner, but I THINK the point might be that if Monckton didn't want to look like a wacko he'd stop having pictures taken of himself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764142&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SrCCJdPnGO1V4q-yNfqmv0Cpt4wUdOTYweIGJcj8gWI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bigcitylib (not verified)</a> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764142">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764143" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263928952"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ugh! Its the tie...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764143&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UgFwLVB4Ma4s6OlcLt5E_nQCcqg_cdk4Ab3mcLncOmc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David B. Benson (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764143">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764144" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263930499"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Bigcitylib,</p> <p>What Monckton himself may or may not want is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia policy.</p> <p>Correct, you can't speak for the blog owner.</p> <p>Best regards,<br /> Alex</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764144&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rgt1sxiG1X9I518108r7FMapVq64CH_yeTMV16K3siE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764144">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764145" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263939278"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And, did you notice he's complaining about the photo just as it is revealed he's pulling in a sizable fee and fantastic expenses to tour Australia? <a href="http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/moncktons-profiteering-climate-denialists-rake-in-the-money/">He's fond of saying anyone making money on this stuff is probably on the payroll of the Chinese</a> and should be investigated by national security units -- so I can understand why he'd be nervous.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764145&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_EYygB7beeU3vQ9_IrO-N0Si3LQlVKZGeB-gyk4B38w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.timpanogos.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed Darrell (not verified)</a> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764145">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764146" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263941092"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Alex, the point is Monckton is funny-looking. You seem to be saying: "there are to be no pictures of Monckton where Monckton looks like Monckton."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764146&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tCEMB71y8ksi0BS4K3G4vYaNhy1YeqjRa6Z-glDfTmw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pough (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764146">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764147" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263943250"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If he was uglier, it would necessitate using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Connolley.jpg">a picture of the back of his head</a>;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764147&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nJh_0jrdf6LgWr2LhKY3O99VN6FTrawv_9bq7nsTnsI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carmen S (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764147">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764148" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263944856"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>pough,</p> <p>Firstly, if the point was merely that Monckton just is funny looking, which would be a pretty juvenile sort of observation, that would be contradicted by William's very clear wording, "The problem, of course, is that the picture makes Lord M look like a bit of a wacko." William is admitting that there is something about this particular pic that makes M look like a wacko. He then blames his defenders in Wikipedia for this connundrum, asking why they haven't written to him asking for a better pic? Nevermind that we don't have pics for half of our BLPs and there is no requirement or a BLP to have a pic.</p> <p>Secondly, I am not saying that "there are to be no pictures of Monckton where Monckton looks like Monckton." A quick scan of google images shows that he looks perfectly normal in most photos, as to most photographs of most people when taken by normal, sympathetic photographers. </p> <p>So I am still waiting to hear from William on why he is flaunting his abuse of Wikipedia here, just a few weeks after Lawrence Solomon's latest article.</p> <p>Who is he taking the piss out of: Monckton, or Wikipedia?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764148&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VFf4Tjjv1sS11G_m5PbrcpTYlQaKMaAD9m7PE2nSlIQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alex Harvey (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764148">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764149" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263948162"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Alex Harvey:<br /> Your claims of William abusing Wikipedia are as accurate as Solomon's claims (already noticed his lies about Google?): there is none.</p> <p>[AH is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alexh19740110">wiki person</a>, intemperate [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=338701557">1</a>], rather over-focussed on skeptic bio's, and ill-advised, but not fundamentally bad -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764149&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_RW2Nt6H6UD8AzJ1H9-FzVnuRPZgZO4kG-FLlnqzcXY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marco (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764149">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764150" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263952504"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Right now the picture of Moncton has been replaced by a more neutral one.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764150&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aYQYhIJPQ7e5VeUaYq4y211rBjmq092tqDQVo6zzvZU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Thomas (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764150">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764151" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263966090"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>He still looks wacko in the new picture.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764151&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6k0wfZUcN50uE9sllNncL2XBCvW0Zd_pU_jPlc_l94s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bigcityli.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bigcitylib (not verified)</a> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764151">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764152" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263966600"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Point me to a picture where he doesn't look wacko, and I'll invoke Photoshop!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764152&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NJpeW9-zcX81Zx2npfdFXKaH_abt83T-VQC8T0M-Tj4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marco (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764152">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764153" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263968380"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The new picture crops out the kilt.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764153&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="W1mHbPucadu2_m40htxwqryq7i-ZZY_3wm0eLoJFtaA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">lumpy (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764153">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764154" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263975309"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The picture in question is pretty bad, so I don't think it should have been used at all.</p> <p>That said, Monckton still looks batshit crazy in the current one, so everything worked out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764154&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tc6VCEaCSB4LguVaa66FYDLhopNsCTyY85o2RLBflB8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Boris (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764154">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764155" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263978675"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Heh. If you REALLY want to embarrass me, [NPA removed -W], try learning how to post a link properly. :)</p> <p>[Fixed, thanks. Your mask of politeness, always rather insecurely attached, has slipped somewhat -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764155&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XxnsyXiIR2tLComXn-sHdm5vjJDde2zcXA0xRVy0CrY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">GoRight (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764155">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764156" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263998468"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>William is admitting that there is something about this particular pic that makes M look like a wacko.</p></blockquote> <p>And that "something" is: Monckton.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764156&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-c0wHT-vJ9_sIUP1D_38ykju_Xp6izMXKub4KkacOFA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pough (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764156">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764157" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264011294"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Monckton's eyes bulge because he suffers from Graves' Disease. It's a bug not a feature although YMMV, but given that, any recent photo is going to make him look like Marty Feldman.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764157&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FjAFITkVcgS1pkSxBzOwh381iCkyka2wcmr3XmtsbF0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://rabett.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eli Rabett (not verified)</a> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764157">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764158" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264030353"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Bad Boy, eh? You ain't seen nothing yet.</p> <p>[Scrotum eyed the Laird's battered leather luggage grimly. Two weeks in Australia with the Laird and his good Lady meant a tottering heap of personal effects that he would have to manhandle around. The one with Monckton's new body armour was particularly heavy. "Vicious little buggers, koalas" he'd told the personal security man. "Claws on 'em as sharp as knives. Got a set I keep at home for defacing copies of Nature"...</p> <p>To be continued. dot dot dot dot]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764158&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IiP_YHrl_6X8Gr2ho0ChP8jV3Q3dUDLN4L0Nk12GyWY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gareth (not verified)</a> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764158">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764159" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264048249"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Why does anyone rely on wikipedia on such subjective matters like politics?</p> <p>[Can you point to a better source? You're not going to tell me "a newspaper" are you? -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764159&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="O3isTO630Tbz97g-33S2CgSEA1dGM8mRv9Irlq-M44E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://romunov.blogsome.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">romunov (not verified)</a> on 20 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764159">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764160" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264077800"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>William, old boy, you guys are losing the PR war badly at this point; the IPCC pontiff has been exposed as a crook; and honest scientists are bailing ship. So, I hope you find some comfort in such juvenile postings.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764160&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lenNFNrOkJFRtaioafs5NYJY86NTt0aInkgu78gP6LQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tom C (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764160">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764161" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264138316"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tom C. you clearly have no idea how climate science works. otherwise you'd know that the head of the IPCC isn't the pope of science, he's the *president-for-life* of science.</p> <p>[Tell that to Watson -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764161&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FiefQl6Bf-QKzUOKhFeLrXulRde3CjtrOGjm_1ozi9M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ligne (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764161">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764162" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264183355"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Apologies in advance (as this is probably in poor taste), but ...</p> <p>When I first saw <a href="http://www.zoo.org.au/babyelephant/babyphotos">these images</a>, they just reminded me of ..., well, I'll leave it to your imaginations.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764162&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Vsa2ug4E9nT1dfcVEsmO4_ZG0vmNdN4bAe7qDaTlJjE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">P. Lewis (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764162">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764163" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264641851"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Monckton's eyes bulge because he suffers from Graves' Disease. How come you are making fun of the symptoms of a disease? Don't you feel ashamed at doing that?</p> <p>[No, I'm making fun of Lord M for *being* a wacko, not looking like one -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764163&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dedJRpK6WN52dX4AimNUgAi7U0Y7qjJdfxHx2HUPdSw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.humorlinks.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Warwick Evans (not verified)</a> on 27 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764163">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764164" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264667362"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>[No, I'm making fun of Lord M for *being* a wacko, not looking like one -W]</p> <p>My mistake then... I thought you were making fun of his appearance.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764164&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0VH9XazQYjQATJ15ORv_PXATmCLhf23sZFmdFKT8io0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.humorlinks.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Warwick Evans (not verified)</a> on 28 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764164">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764165" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264696970"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I <a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/monckton-high-priest-of-climate-sceptics-tells-lies-on-tv-nz/">couldn't resist</a> the elephant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764165&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yNc77yyc2by7pHlPN0UlYcZwntmdvXn4iMkn4Zu0Wek"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gareth (not verified)</a> on 28 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764165">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764166" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265211637"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Scrotum is back! <a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/monckton-in-australia-picnic-at-hanging-sock/">Monckton in Australia: Picnic at Hanging Sock</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764166&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gUIdi7i1roItFyt1hNorrmUxlNzAYdjwlqIjIhB_H1Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gareth (not verified)</a> on 03 Feb 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764166">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764167" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265397289"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Courtesy of a Dirk Hartog comment over at Deltoid, <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/debunking-the-myths-behind-the-pontificating-potty-peer-20100205-nikc.html">Debunking the myths behind the pontificating potty peer</a> has a delightful cartoon of the potty peer. I just can't work out whether the Glen Le Lievre cartoon takes its inspiration from that new Melbourne pachyderm or a Collodi creation.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764167&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lANYGyJAPRSsopVoJPUfMLxzgaVIW1zzmU85D8AM4YI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">P. Lewis (not verified)</span> on 05 Feb 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764167">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/01/19/poor-old-monckton%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:16:17 +0000 stoat 52948 at https://scienceblogs.com Cold and Dark https://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/01/08/cold-and-dark <span>Cold and Dark</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cold, isn't it? And quite dark too (is that the [[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time">Equation of time</a>]]?). </p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4256823096/" title="DSC_3880-snowy-path by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4256823096_0a21c34a47.jpg" width="500" height="334" alt="DSC_3880-snowy-path" /></a></p> <p>But I'm rather enjoying this snow - it is clear and crisp, so far. I've only fallen off once.</p> <p>[Update: Looks cold but lovely from above [<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm</a></p> <p>]. Mind you, it is <a href="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2010/010510.html">warm elsewhere</a>]</p> <!--more--><p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/belette/4256060337/" title="DSC_3883-snowy-foot by wmconnolley, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2752/4256060337_ff4105af7e.jpg" width="500" height="334" alt="DSC_3883-snowy-foot" /></a></p> <p>There are sandals underneath that, in case you'd missed how hard I am :-)</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/stoat" lang="" about="/author/stoat" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">stoat</a></span> <span>Fri, 01/08/2010 - 02:47</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/misc" hreflang="en">Misc</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cold" hreflang="en">cold</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dark" hreflang="en">dark</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/equation-time" hreflang="en">equation of time</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pix" hreflang="en">pix</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/snow" hreflang="en">Snow</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764039" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262944511"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Run into any freaked-out stoats? or how about this <a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/324243.php">http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/324243.php</a>?</p> <p>[Hey that's... cool :-). No stoats but I did see a teensy little shrew run across the path. Hope it had warm boots on -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764039&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="z8BDm1bhUj5m_BOuFGmlVXutsiRLiH4hGSJtlKeftTk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">thomas hine (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764039">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764040" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262944630"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm staying at my parent's house, Easton's Castle, in South Dakota. It's a bright and sunny 26 degrees below zero (F) this morning, and we have had around 8 inches of snow. Like when I was a kid, I scooped out their 300-foot driveway by hand, and I'm sore as heck. The house in is in 20 acres of woods, so it's a beautiful Doctor Zhivago-like scene. No blonde, though. My poetry ain't good enough.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764040&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6LTw84hUSmAs_5GUFrr5tt5LaKfM9EshnXb9-xTemDs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JCH (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764040">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764041" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262948962"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Most people would ski, but to each his own.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764041&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YRcWGvAUyTaIYAOg6QcpM6j1y8nAl9Q5xnOMzGpAXtU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">carrot eater (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764041">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764042" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262961400"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been seeing a lot of voles scurrying across the roads. (No obvious stoats in pursuit.) I've never seen them do this in warmer weather. Perhaps the salted tarmac warms them up.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764042&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tt4K2b-ZYfdNuZkxfBLLvd8-7vmTDeVwmC8ufzS8RMw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vinny Burgoo (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764042">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764043" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263012458"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling.moderated/msg/920470042265d774">Clive</a> just fell once, and so did <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling.moderated/msg/b28ca480d968c41b">Stan</a> :-(</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764043&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="22zW7sozpIUV2xcbcd5RTN7iI4DnZhR2kM1m41sR9pQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">James Annan (not verified)</a> on 08 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764043">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764044" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263044895"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey, I figured out how to use<br /> septic TM Stoat<br /> with appropriate credit.<br /> Now to see if it'll work at RC and Eli's and other blogs.</p> <p>[I'm glad to see it - I insist on my trademarks being recognised. Don't forget I own "gone emeritus" too -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764044&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tAMrNU7n_aj7PgWqfZSdjM08KTSWNPgYdyQoiUpsg3w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 09 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764044">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764045" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263048278"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What with Gavin's inexplicable surge of politesse re Lindzen (noting that it moved Tom Wigley to post a refuting comment), you may find yourself censored at RC, Hank. But do try!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764045&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bHHkPG2hCiYSap_oYpspqciEc9cZP_ixg8wxnbKpQu8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Steve Bloom (not verified)</span> on 09 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764045">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764046" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263115950"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lovely picture.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764046&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="f8RSDou4llniwnv7Idp18zjeU_OWIRgX9olvJGEWCbY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.decrepitoldfool.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">george.w (not verified)</a> on 10 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764046">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764047" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263153944"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Speaking of cold and dark, who's this BBC guy?</p> <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/8443687.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/8443687.stm</a></p> <p>[Looks like some ratehr crap guy in a suit :-). Hopefully this will stop them pushing their seasonal forecasts, which aren't suitable for public consumption (though they are useful for expert consumption) as they full well know -W]</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/01/i_did_warn_you.html">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/01/i_did_warn_…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764047&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ug_v778S55SHHsQGDX3llq5U0L19OrzHO81-HofcM3E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hankroberts.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</a> on 10 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764047">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764048" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263186487"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>They used to hide their seasonal forecasts away and label them as "Experimental". They don't do that any more, though the reliability hasn't improved AFAICS, and the forecasts are of the same type - eg beyond the ken of anyone in the media and, as you say, not really suitable for general public consumption. So why they pushed them more is a bit of a mystery.</p> <p>[Alas, I think the answer is "because it is in someone's career interest". It gets you noticed, and if its all f*ck*d up, well, you can blame someone else -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764048&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6U4fS27sQ-JYEdTabU0AgCp1wpXq_1NvOOIBgxTGQ08"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764048">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764049" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263199902"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"[Alas, I think the answer is "because it is in someone's career interest". It gets you noticed, and if its all f*ck*d up, well, you can blame someone else -W]"</p> <p>Well, despite their short term forecasting having been largely very good this last month, in very difficult conditions, they're going to be remembered for the LRF - so something will probably change.</p> <p>TBH, I reckon they should ban the press office from mentioning them, and also remove the link from the short term forecast pages. Then the press can't just churnalise them and would actually have to do a bit of work to report on them - thus removing any media mentions completely.</p> <p>[I think they should just disband the press office :-) -W]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764049&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qDAjkolPskBheOnwMYRlTqYBQU2v_BS38QxEz_XKl0I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764049">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764050" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263271624"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"[I think they should just disband the press office :-) -W]"</p> <p>Well yeah, but let's try and keep our wishes somewhere close to reality, here. ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764050&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="adjWF0L0FsrJWObc_ycR64C66HxXjkE026_c5lFZvRQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764050">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764051" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263536819"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>[i]"Hopefully this will stop them pushing their seasonal forecasts, which aren't suitable for public consumption (though they are useful for expert consumption) as they full well know"[/i]</p> <p>I'm intrigued - please elaborate</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764051&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UW3uTr52r0PFkgG0Jy_uxuaY4LSL_pWmNGqpX0zoYLU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">PeteB (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764051">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1764052" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264274992"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8447262.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8447262.stm</a><br /> hat tip to:<br /><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/bbc-trots-out-skeptic-benny-peiser-question-global-warming-snow-storm">http://www.desmogblog.com/bbc-trots-out-skeptic-benny-peiser-question-g…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1764052&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="r5M0ZL5lqXGSfod5m0qEjtJfk0y5yAEo4PTkJ8_3Eyo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hank Roberts (not verified)</span> on 23 Jan 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12372/feed#comment-1764052">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/stoat/2010/01/08/cold-and-dark%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:47:43 +0000 stoat 52944 at https://scienceblogs.com