General Epidemiology https://scienceblogs.com/ en HIV's "Patient Zero" was exonerated long ago https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2016/10/27/patient-zero-was-exonerated-long-ago <span>HIV&#039;s &quot;Patient Zero&quot; was exonerated long ago</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The news over the past 24 hours has exclaimed over and over:</p> <p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/hiv-s-patient-zero-exonerated-1.20877">HIV's Patient Zero Exonerated</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-hiv-genetic-history-20161026-snap-story.html">How scientists proved the wrong man was blamed for bringing HIV to the U.S.</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/26/498876985/mystery-solved-how-hiv-came-to-the-u-s">Researchers Clear "Patient Zero" from AIDS Origin Story</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/health/hiv-patient-zero-genetic-analysis.html?_r=0">H.I.V. Arrived in the U.S. Long Before ‘Patient Zero’</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/oct/26/patient-zero-gaetan-dugas-not-source-of-hivaids-outbreak-study-proves">Gaetan Dugas: "patient zero" not source of HIV/AIDS outbreak, study confirms</a></p> <p>HIV's supposed "Patient Zero" in the U.S., Gaetan Dugas, is off the hook! He wasn't responsible for our outbreak!</p> <p>This is presented as new information.</p> <div style="width: 205px;float:left;"><a href="/files/aetiology/files/2016/10/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas.jpg"><img class="wp-image-2531 size-medium" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2016/10/Gaëtan_Dugas-195x300.jpg" alt="gaetan_dugas" width="195" height="300" /></a> Gaetan Dugas, from Wikipedia. </div> <p>It is not, and I think by focusing on the "exoneration" of Dugas, a young flight attendant and one of the earliest diagnosed cases of AIDS in the U.S., these articles (referencing a <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature19827.html">new Nature paper</a>) are missing the true story in this publication--that Dugas was really a victim of Shilts and the media, and remains so, no matter how many times the science evidence has cleared his name.</p> <p>First, the idea that Dugas served to 1) bring HIV to the U.S. and 2) spark the epidemic and infect enough people early on that most of the initial cases could be traced back to him is simply false. Yes, this was the <a href="http://ac.els-cdn.com/0002934384906685/1-s2.0-0002934384906685-main.pdf?_tid=28cca8d0-9c3f-11e6-9f2a-00000aacb362&amp;acdnat=1477570756_203eaf5011f63f64c87301210f74ed9d">hypothesis based on some of the very early cases of AIDS</a>, and the narrative promoted in Randy Shilts's best-selling 1987 book, "<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Politics-Epidemic-20th-Anniversary/dp/0312374631/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1477571024&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=and+the+band+played+on">And the Band Played On</a>." But based on the epidemiology of first symptomatic AIDS cases, and later our understanding of the virus behind the syndrome, HIV, we quickly understood that one single person in the late 1970s could not have introduced the virus and spread it rapidly enough to lead to the level of infections we were seeing by the early 1980s. Later understanding of the virus's African origin and its global spread made the idea of Dugas as the epidemic's originator in America even more impossible.</p> <p>When we think of Dugas's role in the epidemiology of HIV, we could possibly classify him as, at worst, a "<a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21737332">super-spreader</a>"--and individual who is responsible for a disproportionate amount of disease transmission. Dugas acknowledged sexual contact with hundreds of individuals between 1979 and 1981--but his numbers were <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0277953685902692">similar to other gay men interviewed</a>, averaging 227 per year (range 10-1560). And while Shilts portrayed Dugas as a purposeful villain, actively and knowingly spreading HIV to his sexual partners, that does not jibe with both our scientific knowledge of HIV/AIDS or with the assistance Dugas provided to scientists studying the epidemic. Dugas worked with researchers to identify as many of his partners as he could (~10% of his estimated 750), as the scientific and medical community struggled to figure out whether AIDS stemmed from a sexually-transmitted infection, as several lines of evidence suggested. There's no evidence Dugas was maliciously infecting others, though that was the reputation he received. Dugas passed away from complications of AIDS in March of 1984--weeks before the <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-day-they-discovered-the-aids-virus">discovery of HIV was announced to the general public</a>.</p> <p>Furthermore, the information in the <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature19827.html">new publication</a> is not entirely novel. Molecular analyses carried out in part by Michael Worobey, also an author on the new paper, showed <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/104/47/18566.full">almost a decade ago</a> that Dugas could not have been the true "Patient Zero." The 2007 paper, "The emergence of HIV/AIDS in the Americas and beyond," had the same conclusions as the new paper: HIV entered the U.S. from the Caribbean, probably Haiti, and was circulating in the U.S. by the late 1960s--when Dugas was only about 16 years old, and long before his career as a flight attendant traveling internationally. So this 2007 molecular analysis should have been the nail in the coffin of the Dugas-as-Patient-Zero ideas.</p> <p>But apparently we've forgotten that paper, or other work that has followed the evolution of HIV over the 20th century.</p> <p>What<em> is</em> unique about the new publication is that it included a sample from Dugas himself, via a plasma contribution Dugas donated in 1983, and other samples banked since the late 1970s. The new paper demonstrated that Dugas's sample is not in any way unique, nor is it a "basal" virus--one of the earliest in the country, from which others would diverge. Instead, it was representative of what was already circulating among others infected with HIV at that time. In supplemental information, the authors also <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/extref/nature19827-s1.pdf">demonstrated how notation for Dugas</a> in scientific notes changed from Patient 057, then to Patient O (for "Outside California") to Patient 0/"Zero" in the <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0002934384906685">published manuscript</a>--which Shilts then named as Dugas and ran with in his narrative.</p> <div style="width: 416px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/aetiology/files/2016/10/patient-zero-graphic.png"><img class="wp-image-2533" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2016/10/patient-zero-graphic-300x240.png" alt="patient-zero-graphic" width="406" height="325" /></a> Graphic of sexual network of early AIDS cases, from Auerbach et al., Am J Med 1984. </div> <p> </p> <p>The media then extended Shilts's ideas, further solidifying the assertion that Dugas was the origin of the U.S. epidemic, and in fact that he was outright evil. The supplemental material notes that Shilts didn't want the focus of the media campaign initially to be about Dugas, but was convinced by his editor, who suggested the Dugas/Patient Zero narrative would result in more attention than the drier critiques of policy and inaction in response to the AIDS epidemic by the Reagan administration.</p> <p>And the media certainly talked about it. A 1987 edition of U.S. News and World Report included a dubious quote attributed to Dugas: "‘I’ve got gay cancer,’ the man allegedly told bathhouse patrons after having sex with them. ‘I’m going to die, and so are you.’" <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/26/498876985/mystery-solved-how-hiv-came-to-the-u-s">NPR's story</a> adds "<em>The New York Post</em> ran a huge headline declaring "The Man Who Gave Us AIDS. <em>Time</em> magazine jumped in with a story called 'The Appalling Saga Of Patient Zero.' And <em>60 Minutes</em> aired a feature on him. 'Patient Zero. One of the first cases of AIDS. The first person identified as the major transmitter of the disease,' host Harry Reasoner <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc7bYnH2Zpo">said</a>."</p> <p>This is the real scandal and lingering tragedy of Dugas. His story was used to stoke fear of HIV-infected individuals, and especially gay men, as predators seeking to take others down with them. His story was used in part to justify criminalization of HIV transmission. So while science has exonerated him again and again, will the public--and the media--finally follow?</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 10/27/2016 - 08:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/aidshiv" hreflang="en">AIDS/HIV</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/historical-studies-disease" hreflang="en">Historical studies of disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-communication" hreflang="en">science communication</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-journalism" hreflang="en">Science Journalism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/aids" hreflang="en">aids</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/epidemiology" hreflang="en">epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/history" hreflang="en">History</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hiv" hreflang="en">hiv</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/media" hreflang="en">Media</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-communication" hreflang="en">science communication</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-journalism" hreflang="en">Science Journalism</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/policy" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844810" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1477575874"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks for this clarification! I was really surprised by the widespread coverage in the past couple of days, since I thought we already knew he wasn't responsible. Glad to know I wasn't imagining it, although the coverage is a scary symptom of our collective short attention span. I wish this were the only example.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844810&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZJ9uPbF_70lOjT-R898r-GURDoqp4GYTzd7oG8po5nk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Don Monroe (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844810">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844811" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1477663008"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks. True aeteology rules.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844811&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EP5Q8kT8ASANWfR097SxuL89mRu1MZVXsdzPPePWs_o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">George Sims (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844811">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844812" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1477686875"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>1) I'm really impressed that the researchers were able to to get so many sequences out of samples that old.<br /> 2) Is Randy Shilts going to apologize about the whole "Patient Zero" thing, even though the man in question died so many years ago?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844812&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XjnJgFcul_uty0apydGQobKZQIYZ7i-FdXHT9I8jYeA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844812">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844813" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1477704479"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Shilts died from complications of AIDS in 1994.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844813&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cApaF8qfhmgsc16WmTUH5Zycz54obcbmcNjxRCcIodA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 28 Oct 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844813">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844814" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1477800068"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I remember reading, many years ago, possibly in the 1980's an article that featured a retired MD. He had a patient in the late 1960's, a young man, who exhibited a multitude of inexplicable symptoms and illnesses and who eventually succumbed to them. It was a case that stuck with the Doctor because it was so unusual and tragic. He had kept some tissue samples from his patient and when in retirement he was reading about HIV/AIDS and its symptoms, it leapt out at him because they where the same symptoms of this one patient of his. He had those tissues tested, and they were positive for HIV. So this current study demonstrating HIV was here a decade or more before it exploded in the early 80's is a confirmation of what many already suspected.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844814&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uHpbkjpnGSPj3pyG1ywAaT8M0kceMnSZbW6z_Ye2eWs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ian (not verified)</span> on 30 Oct 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844814">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844815" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1477938520"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara: Oh. I was not aware of that. I guess that just compounds the tragedy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844815&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IZj3Q49HnggAqQsNtFLCm5uXAztTqAkh1Us0dFFlblQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 31 Oct 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844815">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844816" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478017223"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ian, yes. Not sure if it's the same case you're thinking of, but testing done of banked tissues from the DRC from the 1960s (also by the same author in the paper described above) showed the presence of HIV there, and extrapolated that HIV entered the human population somewhere around the turn of last century (see eg <a href="http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/081101_hivorigins">http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/081101_hivorigins</a>).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844816&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZV-c38ASWepEaPG1nc6U5TtWUC2C7X09Pq_Eg-6M_sc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 01 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844816">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844817" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478807299"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I think the case Ian is referring to is that of Robert Rayford who died in 1969. Stored tissues were reported to test positive for antibodies using Western Blot by Robert Garry from Tulane in 1988 (<a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3418874">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3418874</a>). A lot of people still seem to believe Rayford is the earliest documented case of HIV infection in the USA (and a Wikipedia entry claims as much), but the documentation does not appear at all conclusive as far as I can tell. </p> <p>The only report of PCR testing for HIV appears to be a conference abstract from 1990 (<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070503080625/http://www.tulane.edu/~dmsander/Abstracts/rr99.html">https://web.archive.org/web/20070503080625/http://www.tulane.edu/~dmsan…</a>), claiming to have identified viral sequences very similar to the HIV IIIB isolate, which was the commonly used lab isolate at the time. That is obviously strongly suggestive of lab contamination, since this should have been an HIV from the 1960s and IIIB was the virus isolated in France in the early 80s (which turned out to be a late-stage disease, CXCR4-using isolate). </p> <p>The PCR study does not appear to have ever been published, and I can't find any other references to efforts to identify HIV nucleic acids in the samples. According to a 2007 article in St. Louis Magazine (<a href="https://www.stlmag.com/The-Pre-Pandemic-Puzzle/">https://www.stlmag.com/The-Pre-Pandemic-Puzzle/</a>), Garry now says the samples were lost due to Hurricane Katrina. The article also notes that the "Garry had difficulty persuading the scientific community of his results." I don't think Elvin-Lewis, the doctor quoted in the piece who says that the1990 PCR study "vindicated" their claims, realizes the limitations of that study. Given that Garry had until 2005 to conduct more advanced PCR analysis (or ask other independent researchers to do so), it seems reasonable to conclude that no compelling evidence of the presence of HIV genetic material in the samples ever emerged and that this likely was not a case of HIV infection.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844817&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="w9hfYUpEo-mgJhdpT8BujnAvjCpjmy0LSb8Ifiszt1M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Richard Jefferys (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844817">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844818" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478811628"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks for the info and clarification.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844818&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zxdfu2ZV_CGT1hf-IDmmzXQWFqyjERjiGYsWMDkJ_RM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ian (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844818">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1844817#comment-1844817" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Richard Jefferys (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844820" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1497225830"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Very Interesting!! I didn't know that they had actually tested samples from that long before the actual AIDS epidemic broke out!! Its horrible that he died before this clarification was brought about.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844820&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="unDSJwZHDNwHADAx6mSrPrekZJ18VNvTOnA3mXUfqTw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">taylor (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844820">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2016/10/27/patient-zero-was-exonerated-long-ago%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:59:47 +0000 tsmith 58146 at https://scienceblogs.com Just how long does the Ebola virus linger in semen? https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2016/09/27/just-how-long-does-the-ebola-virus-linger-in-semen <span>Just how long does the Ebola virus linger in semen?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The 2013-2016 West African Ebola virus outbreak altered our perception of just what an Ebola outbreak could look like.</p> <p>While none of the three primary affected countries--Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-have had a case since April 2016, the outbreak resulted in a total of over <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/case-counts.html">28,000 cases of Ebola virus disease</a> (EVD)--65 times higher than the previous largest EVD outbreak, and more than 15 times the total number of cases of all <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/history/chronology.html">prior EVD outbreaks combined</a>, from the virus's discovery in 1976 to a concurrent (but unrelated) <a href="http://www.voanews.com/a/liberia-declared-ebola-free-for-4th-time/3368673.html">outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo</a> in 2014.</p> <p>In March 2016, cases were identified once again in both Liberia and Guinea, just after the outbreak had been <a href="http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2016/03/cases-guinea-end-west-africas-short-lived-ebola-free-status">declared over</a>. Both countries were declared Ebola-free in June 2016; Guinea for the <a href="http://www.voanews.com/a/who-declares-guinee-ebola-free/3356856.html">second time</a> and Liberia for the <a href="http://www.voanews.com/a/liberia-declared-ebola-free-for-4th-time/3368673.html">fourth time</a>. The last series of cases in these countries demonstrated just how different this epidemic was from prior ones, <a href="http://qz.com/667437/ebola-resurgences-in-west-africa-suggest-the-virus-can-linger-longer-than-expected/">changing what we thought we knew about the virus</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>Previous research suggested Ebola could persist in the semen for <a href="http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.long">40</a> to <a href="http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S28.long">90</a> days. But that window has been eclipsed in this epidemic by a considerable amount. A <a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1509773">probable case of sexual transmission</a> occurred approximately six months after the patient’s initial infection last year in Liberia. Another study found evidence of Ebola in the semen of 25% of surviving men tested <a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1511410">seven to nine months after infection</a>. And it takes only a single transmission to kick off a fresh recurrence of the disease.</p></blockquote> <p>A <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/08/31/cid.ciw601.full.pdf">recent paper</a> extended this window of virus persistence in the semen even longer--over 500 days. It also explains how the outbreaks began in both countries after being declared Ebola-free--so where did the virus come from?</p> <p>In a convergence of old-fashioned, <a href="http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/172/6/737.full">"shoe leather" epidemiology</a>/tracing of cases and viral genomics, two converging lines of evidence led to the identification of the same individual: a man who had been confirmed as an EVD case in 2014, and had sexual contact with one of the new cases. Author <a href="https://twitter.com/pathogenomenick">Nick Loman</a> discussed via email:</p> <blockquote><p>The epidemiologists told us independently that they had identified a survivor and we were amazed when we decoded the metadata to find that case was indeed the same person. The sequencing and epidemiology is tightly coordinated via Guinea's Ministry of Health who ran National Coordination for the Ebola outbreak and the World Health Organisation.</p> <p>It shows that the genomics and epidemiology works best when working hand-in-hand. If we’d just had the genomics or the epidemiology we’d still have an element of doubt.</p></blockquote> <p>The sequencing results also suggested that it was likely that the new viral outbreak was caused by this survivor, and unlikely that the outbreak was due to another "spillover" of the virus from the local animal population, according to author <a href="https://twitter.com/arambaut">Andrew Rambaut</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>If the virus was present in bats and jumped to humans again in 2016, it might be genetically similar to the viruses in the human outbreak but not have any of the mutations that uniquely arose in the human outbreak (it would have its own unique mutations that had arisen in the bat population since the virus that caused human epidemic).</p> <p>It might be possible that the virus jumped from humans to some animal reservoir in the region and then back to humans in 2016 but because we have the virus sequence from the patients acute disease 15 months earlier we can see that it essentially <em>exactly </em>the same virus. So this makes it certain the virus was persisting in this individual for the period.</p></blockquote> <p>So the virus--persisting in the survivor's semen for at least 531 days--sparked a new wave of cases. Ebola researcher Daniel Bausch <a href="http://qz.com/667437/ebola-resurgences-in-west-africa-suggest-the-virus-can-linger-longer-than-expected/">noted elsewhere</a> that “The virus does seem to persist longer than we’ve ever recognized before. Sexual transmission still seems to be rare, but the sample size of survivors now is so much larger than we’ve ever had before (maybe 3,000-5,000 sexually active males versus 50-100 for the largest previous outbreak) that we’re picking up rare events.”</p> <p>And we're now actively looking for those rare events, too. The <a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(16)30207-8/fulltext?rss=yes">Liberia Men's Health Screening Program</a> already reports detection of Ebola virus in the semen at 565 days following symptoms, suggesting we will need to remain vigilant about survivors in both this and any future EVD epidemics. The challenges are clear--we need to investigate EVD survivors as patients, research participants, and possible viral reservoirs--each of which comes with unique difficulties. By continuing to learn as much as we can from this outbreak, perhaps we can contain future outbreaks more quickly--and prevent others from igniting.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Tue, 09/27/2016 - 08:26</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/epidemiology" hreflang="en">epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/filovirus" hreflang="en">filovirus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/viruses" hreflang="en">viruses</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zoonosis" hreflang="en">zoonosis</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844807" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1474995653"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh wow. That transmission method is going to make this disease even harder to stay on top of. I can't imagine getting compliance from every man who survived Ebola to not have sex for 2 years (or more!).</p> <p>The only thing I can hope is that this increases the acceptability of condom use (male and female) in the area.</p> <p>It probably won't help the stigmatization and isolation of survivors.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844807&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YNfYGdA_-sYYG01CQDJ_Cc9whI7irw7eTPmCdzsSkoU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844807">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844808" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1475073811"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yes, stigma remains a big issue that wasn't really addressed. Condom use is definitely being recommended but I don't know how well that message has been received. And even then, recommendations previously were for "a few months" then "6 months" and now...a year? 2 years? forever? There's going to be a lot of confusion.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844808&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TTqNoXELRj6Rx8ERQ_d0IuYD3PqdCsjMdTurrFuxzNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 28 Sep 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844808">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844809" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498166295"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Very interesting article!! I had actually no idea about the severity of the Ebola virus until the 2014 outbreak!! It seems unreal that the virus can be carried that long in the semen and is kind of scary that it is possible in case of another outbreak that seems like it would be very hard to control the sexual activity of every man with the virus!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844809&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="A1BP1CO1y47UGvM7r4-SAWOEf25VXr2RIMT0Jxid34Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">taylor (not verified)</span> on 22 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844809">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2016/09/27/just-how-long-does-the-ebola-virus-linger-in-semen%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:26:19 +0000 tsmith 58145 at https://scienceblogs.com The Epidemiology of Greyscale https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2016/06/23/the-epidemiology-of-greyscale <span>The Epidemiology of Greyscale</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>[<em>Obvious warning is obvious: potential spoilers for A Song of Ice and Fire novels/Game of Thrones TV series below</em>].</p> <p>While no one will claim that George R.R. Martin's epic series, "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire">A Song of Ice and Fire</a>," is historically accurate, there are a number of <a href="http://mentalfloss.com/article/56558/7-historical-parallels-game-thrones">historical parallels</a> that can be drawn from the characters and plotline--particularly from medieval Europe. While most of those relate to epic battles or former monarchs or other royalty, another of Martin's characters, so to speak, is the disease greyscale (1).</p> <p>Greyscale is a contagious disease that seems to come in at least two distinct forms: greyscale, an endemic and slow acting, highly contagious illness that can affect either adults or children; and the grey plague, a rapidly-spreading epidemic that can wipe out entire swaths of cities in a short period of time. Both versions of the illness have a high fatality rate (no exact details are given, but it seems to be close to 100%, especially in adults). Recovery from greyscale makes one immune to outbreaks of grey plague, so they seem to be caused either by the same microbe or ones which are very closely related.</p> <p><strong>The Epidemiology of Greyscale</strong></p> <p>Greyscale is a disfiguring disease. As its name suggests, it transforms the skin into a hardened, scaly tissue. As the skin dies, it becomes grey in color with permanent cracks and fissures. Infection that spreads across the face can cause blindness.</p> <p>Like many diseases we consider to be "childhood" diseases (measles, mumps, smallpox, chickenpox, etc.), children seem to be spared the worst of the disease and are the most likely to recover from the illness, though recovery still appears to be quite rare. The disease is most common in Essos, but can also be found occasionally throughout Westeros, including north of the Wall (more on that below).</p> <p>Greyscale is believed to be transmitted primarily person-to-person via direct skin contact. We see this in the books with the infection of Jon Connington and on the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJU4_gruDk">TV show with Jorah Mormont</a>, as both characters are transporting/protecting Tyrion Lannister and apparently are exposed to the pathogen during a battle with the Stone Men (2, 3). The Stone Men are victims in the last stage of greyscale infection, where the skin is entirely calcified and there is involvement of muscle, bone, and internal organs, including the brain. Late signs of greyscale infection include violent insanity, leading sufferers to violently attack anyone who comes near. As these Stone Men are highly feared as sources of the disease, greyscale appears to be contagious for the entire duration of infection, from the development of symptoms to near-death.</p> <div style="width: 512px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><img class="" src="http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/555022686bb3f71611f07a53-1200-632/game-of-thrones-stone-man.png" width="502" height="256" /> A Stone Man with late-stage greyscale infection. </div> <p>If a person has been exposed to greyscale, but is not yet showing symptoms, they can check for impending infection by pricking their toes and fingers each day. Once they're no longer able to feel the knife, that's bad news--greyscale infection is likely, as insensitivity to touch is one of the early signs. Once the scaling begins, the victim no longer feels any pain in the affected areas, making the Stone Men essentially invulnerable to pain.</p> <p>The incubation period of greyscale seems to be very short. As soon as Jorah and Tyrion realize they are safe and the Stone Men are defeated, Jorah rolls up his sleeve and we see that the initial small patch of greyscale has already appeared.</p> <div style="width: 379px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><img class="" src="https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1443597/ser-jorah-mormont-greyscale.jpg" width="369" height="246" /> First appearance of Jorah's greyscale following fight with Stone Men. </div> <p>Another prominent victim of greyscale, Shireen Baratheon, is thought to have acquired greyscale via contact with a fomite (an inanimate object that serves as a vehicle to transmit an infectious agent between people)--in her case, a beloved wooden doll clothed in Baratheon House colors from when she was an infant. Her father, Stannis, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDh2xS14Gs">implies that this may have been a form of bioterrorism</a>--that Stannis received the doll from a Dornish trader on Dragonstone. He tells his daughter, "No doubt he'd heard of your birth, and assumed new fathers were easy targets" (S05E04). "I still remember how you smiled when I placed that doll in your cradle, and you pressed it to your cheek," where evidence of greyscale is still present (4).</p> <div style="width: 308px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><img class="" src="http://static.tumblr.com/fae1f755a5112d1a95416267cf2f4fda/1wx2tfx/eclnnabu4/tumblr_static_14aadzr4i2dc884k4c000g808.jpg" width="298" height="213" /> Shireen Baratheon with facial greyscale. </div> <p><strong>Treatment</strong></p> <p>A number of remedies have been proposed to treat greyscale, but none of them are proven effective. They include treating it with boiling water containing limes; chopping off of the infected limbs; religious means/magic; and maybe fire--in <em>A Dance with Dragons</em>, Tyrion touches a Stone Man with his torch, and the Stone Man shrieks in pain (even while having bone showing through his skin, which apparently doesn't bother him).  Whether fire could be a cure is unclear.</p> <p>Also in <em>A Dance with Dragons</em>, we read of Tyrion's musings on treating greyscale: "He had heard it said that there were three good cures for greyscale: axe and sword and cleaver. Hacking off afflicted parts did sometimes stop the spread of the disease, Tyrion knew, but not always. Many a man had sacrificed one arm or foot, only to find the other going grey. Once that happened, hope was gone." As such, the infectious agent seems to enter into the bloodstream and spread throughout the body at some point during the infection, and at this point, local measures such as amputation are no longer useful. Other home remedies, such as cleansing the infected area with vinegar, are also employed. In fact, Jon Connington, once he realizes he's been infected, soaks his hand in bad wine instead of vinegar, because he believes that if he asks for vinegar, it will be an obvious "tell" that he has the disease.</p> <p>In the TV series (S05E04), Stannis <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDh2xS14Gs">says to Shireen</a> regarding her infection, "I called in every Maester in this side of the world, every healer, every apothecary. They stopped the disease and saved your life." However, no details are given on the show regarding how it was stopped (medicine? magic?), or if a mechanism exists that could be used on an adult instead of an infant. When Daenerys asks Jorah if there is a cure, he tells her simply that he doesn't know, and she directs him to leave, find one, and return to her.</p> <p><strong>Cultural response</strong></p> <p>Largely, those with greyscale are shunned and sent elsewhere, especially to the ruins of Valyria (5) where a whole colony of Stone Men live. Shireen asks Stannis, "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDh2xS14Gs">Are you ashamed of me, Father</a>?", understanding that her obvious greyscale scars are a sign of stigma for their entire family. Stannis tells his daughter, "Everyone advised me to send you to the ruins of Valyria to live our your short life with the Stone Men before the sickness spread throughout the castle. I told them all to go to hell." (Father of the Year before that whole burning stuff, Stannis!)</p> <p>Similarly, both the books and show note the existence of greyscale beyond the wall among the Wildlings--and that the free folks' response to greyscale infection is exile and/or death. In the books, a wildling named Val sees Shireen, and notes Shireen has a condition they call "the grey death," which is always fatal in children--because they're given either hemlock, a pillow, or a blade rather than be allowed to live. She also suggests that greyscale may become quiescent and return later, saying "The grey death sleeps, only to wake again. The child [Shireen] is not clean."</p> <p>On the TV version, the wildling Gilly takes the place of Val, and while she is not as frightened of Shireen's greyscale, she notes she's also had experience with the illness.  She tells the tale of two of her sisters, who contracted greyscale (exactly how, we're not told). Though he did not kill them as Val suggested, Gilly noted that her father "made them move out of the keep, into the hut outside. None of them were allowed to go near them, but we heard them, especially at night. They started to sound not like themselves." Gilly saw them again "only once, at the end. They were covered with it. Their faces, their arms. They acted like animals. My father had to drag them out to the woods on a rope." Shireen doesn't find out what happened to them after that, but we can guess it's not good.</p> <div style="width: 400px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><img class="" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/1/1b/Shireen_teaching_Gilly_to_read.png/revision/latest?cb=20150423194251" width="390" height="219" /> Gilly and Shireen at Castle Black. </div> <p><strong>What are some real-life parallels?</strong></p> <p>Clearly greyscale is another invention of Martin's that <a href="http://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11758686/game-of-thrones-greyscale-diagnosis-explained">doesn't quite match up to any real infectious disease</a> (6), and I'll leave that linked article to summarize some of the pros and cons of the alternative diagnoses. But given the other historical parallels, <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/leprosy/">leprosy</a> (Hansen's disease) is probably the closest real-life affliction to greyscale, due to the route of transmission (I'll elaborate on that below), symptoms, incubation period, and particularly the cultural response to those who are affected.</p> <p>Like those with leprosy, sufferers of greyscale can become disfigured, are considered "unclean" and shuffled off to the far corners of the map, feared and then ignored by their family and friends. Connington, when hiding his infection, noted that "Queer as it seemed, men who would cheerfully face battle and risk death to rescue a companion would abandon that same companion in a heartbeat if he were known to have greyscale"--a similar phenomenon to what still can happen today with stigmatized diseases such as leprosy. A case of greyscale is a source of stigma for both the sufferer (even if they survive, like Shireen) and for the family, as there will always be those who fear contagion.</p> <p>Though evidence is gathering that leprosy is actually <a href="http://www.who.int/lep/transmission/en/">transmitted via the respiratory route</a> (like its cousin, tuberculosis), for centuries people believed it could be spread by touch, as greyscale is. So even though the transmission route for the two diseases really isn't the same, the *presumption* that leprosy can be spread by touch is still incredibly common. The lengthy period between infection and outward symptoms of the affliction is also similar, taking years from exposure to the final stages of infection that we see in the Stone Men. Leprosy can also take years or decades to progress, and while untreated leprosy is not <a href="http://www.who.int/lep/mortality/en/">typically a cause of death itself</a>, it can lead to death indirectly due to secondary infections and other issues.</p> <p>One of the <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/leprosy/symptoms/">early signs of leprosy</a> is also numbness in an affected area as nerves are damaged by the infection, as Tyrion tried to evaluate after his exposure to the Stone Men, as well as a general thickening and stiffness of the skin. It doesn't get to the level that's seen with the Stone Men--one of the biggest problems with leprosy is actually secondary infections, which can lead to loss of digits or even whole limbs rather than a whole-body calcification of the skin--but many of the hallmarks of greyscale are very similar to leprosy.</p> <p>While leprosy is now treatable with antibiotics, it wasn't all that long ago that we had our own leper colonies in the U.S. (you can read about one of them <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Colony-Harrowing-Story-Exiles-Molokai/dp/0743233018">here</a>, also on a near-deserted island where the afflicted were largely left to fend for themselves with some occasional governmental assistance, similar to Valyria/the Sorrows). Martin himself even notes that Valyria is "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wsc-o9K_PM">like a leper colony</a>." Leprosy, and its stigma, <a href="http://www.nippon-foundation.or.jp/en/what/spotlight/leprosy/photos/">remains an issue</a> in some countries still today, and the purposeful isolation of those who have leprosy and exclusion from society persists.</p> <div style="width: 506px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><img class="" src="https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/4v62ud.1JbwQ8SQhlC8f9w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MTIwMDtoPTYzMTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http://40.media.tumblr.com/a831d5576ee94fb4fbe1e9675155ba7e/tumblr_inline_o1vqo6mrBI1td0slq_1280.jpg" width="496" height="261" /> Image of the U.S. leper colony at Molokai, Hawaii, circa 1900. </div> <p>However, while there are many similarities, leprosy doesn't have an epidemic form equivalent to the grey plague. Described in <em>A Dance with Dragons</em>, it's suggested that the grey plague wiped out half of Oldtown in the southwest of Westeros, and was only stopped by closing the gates and preventing anyone from entering or leaving. And like the Black Plague, the grey plague's arrival in Pentos (a city in Essos) came by ship, and its spread into the city was possibly <a href="http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Grey_plague">aided by rats</a>. So is there an airborne form of greyscale that causes the grey plague? Could it be similar to <em>Yersinia pestis</em>, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2008/01/16/what-caused-the-black-plague-s/">the bacterium that causes the Black Plague</a>: transmitted by rats and fleas (or skin to skin in the case of greyscale) in its more mild form, but occasionally ending up in the lungs of an unfortunate victim and spread via the air after that, causing massive epidemics? Is it <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/onehealth/zoonotic-diseases.html">zoonotic</a>, spread via rats? Will we see the grey plague on the TV series or not?</p> <p><strong>Lingering Questions</strong></p> <p>While comparisons to other real infections are interesting, my real question is--what is Martin going to do with greyscale? How does it feature into the larger end game, when we move beyond just a human "Game of Thrones" into the battle for humanity itself against the White Walkers and their army of undead wights? With all the time spent on the affliction in both the books and particularly in the show, there has to be some payoff somewhere, right?</p> <p>In some ways, the wights beyond the wall and Stone Men are similar--undead, or nearly-dead, aggressive hunters of humans, with no sense of humanity left. When we last saw Jorah in the TV version, he had confessed his affliction to Daenerys, and she sent him off to find a cure. Will he find Dany after her arrival in Westeros and bring with him an army of (now healthy?) Stone Men--healed by fire perhaps, to fight against those brought back to life by ice? Will he return to Valyria--an area largely abandoned except as a place of exile for the Stone Men since The Doom a thousand years ago--and learn the truth of what happened there? Could Valyria provide a key to ending both greyscale and perhaps also the White Walkers? Or is the haunting poem Tyrion and Jorah <a href="http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/poem-doom-of-valyria">recited as they rowed down the Rhoyne</a> toward the ruins of the city foreshadowing what's going to happen to Westeros?</p> <p>It's interesting that most stories open with an infection that ushers in the apocalypse: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stand-Stephen-King/dp/0307947300/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1466689834&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=the+stand">The Stand</a>; <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Passage-Novel-Book-One-Trilogy/dp/0345504976/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1466689809&amp;sr=1-2&amp;keywords=the+passage+series">The Passage series</a>; <a href="http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead">The Walking Dead</a>; <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307346617/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687622&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=0765357151&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=433Q5KJDD71MTRJ9EGQT">World War Z</a>; <a href="https://www.amazon.com/I-Am-Legend-Richard-Matheson/dp/0765357151">I Am Legend</a>; the <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Oryx-Crake-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676">MaddAddam trilogy</a>; the <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/">Planet of the Apes</a> reboot; <a href="http://www.thelastofus.playstation.com/index.html">The Last of Us</a> video game; even back a century or two to the <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Scarlet-Plague-Jack-London/dp/1453712380">Scarlet Plague</a> or <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Last-Man-Wordsworth-Classics/dp/1840224037">The Last Man</a>. I could go on and on. Martin is known for taking many fantasy tropes and turning them on their heads, so instead of having a plague <em>begin</em> the downfall of society, could greyscale serve to save it somehow? With reportedly <a href="http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-end-date-season-8-1201752746/">two seasons left in the TV series</a> after Sunday's Season 6 finale, we'll have less time to wait and find out than it takes a newly-infected greyscale patient to turn into a Stone Man.</p> <p><strong>Notes</strong></p> <p>(1) The information provided on greyscale in this article is a mix of literature from the books and the show. Note that the show, to my recollection, hasn't delved into the grey plague, so information on that malady comes exclusively from the books. Also note some of the victims of greyscale differ in the books versus in the show (eg Jorah Mormont taking Jon Connington's place in the TV version).</p> <p>(2) Though Jorah denies any contact with the Stone Men initially, and it isn't 100% clear if he was touched during the scene, he does <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnNbstXl2FY">back off from Daenerys</a> when she moves toward him in S06E05, when he discloses his condition (which is now all the way up his forearm). This suggests he does believe he acquired it through direct contact with a Stone Man.</p> <p>(3) Though these sufferers are uniformly called Stone Men, and the ones seen on-screen appear to be male, presumably there are also Stone Women. Possibly loss of hair as the skin calcifies could lead to a more androgynous look.</p> <p>(4) I should note there are some <a href="http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/did-game-of-thrones-just-send-jorah-on-a-quest-to-find-another-zombie-army">alternative views</a> about exactly how Shireen's greyscale infection was acquired, and about the use of greyscale as a biological weapon.</p> <p>(5) Or on "the Sorrows" in the novels.</p> <p>(6) I don't agree with several things in that article, written by a dermatologist. It concludes based mainly on symptoms and a bit on epidemiology that greyscale is something more like smallpox or HPV and largely rules out a leprosy-like illness. It also notes the potential for an infectious agent that's only infectious to those with an underlying genetic susceptibility, but I don't think there's much evidence to suggest that.</p> <p><strong>Find other posts in today's carnival on the science of Game of Thrones!</strong></p> <p><a href="http://www.scilogs.com/communication_breakdown/game-of-thrones-carnival-2016/">One Reason Scientists and Science Writers Want to Talk About Game of Thrones</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/ShipLives">Matt Shipman</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/23/biology-would-leave-the-game-of-thrones-dragons-grounded">Biology Would Leave the Game of Thrones Dragons Grounded</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/Dave_Hone">David Hone</a></p> <p><a href="http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/laelaps/dire-wolves-were-real/?print=true">Dire Wolves Were Real</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/Laelaps">Brian Switek</a></p> <p><a href="https://contemplativemammoth.wordpress.com/2016/06/23/winter-is-coming-climate-change-and-biodiversity-beyond-the-wall/">Winter is coming: climate change and biodiversity beyond the Wall </a>by <a href="https://twitter.com/JacquelynGill">Jacquelyn Gill</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.drmichellelarue.com/#!White-Walkers-a-warning-letter-from-north-of-The-Wall/c1mbt/5768a7350cf2644549bd49f2">White Walkers: a warning letter from north of The Wall</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/drmichellelarue">Michelle LaRue</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.milestraer.com/GoT-geology">Tales from a Westeros Geologist</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/Geo_Miles">Miles Traer</a></p> <p><a href="http://skepchick.org/2016/06/a-storm-of-chemistry/">A Storm of Chemistry</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/DrRubidium">Raychelle Burks</a></p> <p><a href="https://jesseemspak.com/2016/06/23/the-heating-engineers-of-winterfell/">The Heating Engineers of Winterfell </a>by <a href="https://twitter.com/Mad_Science_Guy">Jesse Emspak</a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 06/23/2016 - 09:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/historical-studies-disease" hreflang="en">Historical studies of disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/popular-culture" hreflang="en">Popular Culture</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zombies" hreflang="en">zombies</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/game-thrones" hreflang="en">Game of Thrones</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/greyscale" hreflang="en">greyscale</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/leprosy" hreflang="en">leprosy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/plague" hreflang="en">plague</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/smallpox" hreflang="en">smallpox</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zombies" hreflang="en">zombies</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/social-sciences" hreflang="en">Social Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844806" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1502197571"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nobody ever mentions Pinta, Yaws, Bejel, or Syphilis... it seems to me that several of these real world diseases would fit many of the symptoms ... look at the descriptions of the Pinta skin lesions.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844806&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Sn2YMoWWBcuGusptuIVGhrmoA_oTkBCmFFqbT2SsHo0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">The Spider Rider (not verified)</span> on 08 Aug 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844806">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2016/06/23/the-epidemiology-of-greyscale%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:00:29 +0000 tsmith 58143 at https://scienceblogs.com MCR-1 has been identified in the United States--what is it, and what does it mean? https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2016/05/27/mcr-1-has-been-identified-in-the-united-states-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean <span>MCR-1 has been identified in the United States--what is it, and what does it mean?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><div style="width: 340px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><img class="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/E._coli_Bacteria_(16598492368).jpg" width="330" height="238" /> <em>                      E. coli</em>, from Wikipedia commons </div> <p>We've been expecting it, and now it's here.</p> <p>Yesterday, two article were released showing that MCR-1, the plasmid-associated gene that provides resistance to the antibiotic colistin, has been found in the United States. And not just in one place, but in two distinct cases: a woman with a urinary tract infection (UTI) in Pennsylvania, <a href="http://aac.asm.org/content/early/2016/05/25/AAC.01103-16.full.pdf+html">reported in the journal Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy</a>, and a positive sample taken from a <a href="http://www.hhs.gov/blog/2016/05/26/early-detection-new-antibiotic-resistance.html">pig's intestine </a>as part of the National Antimicrobial Resistance Monitoring System (<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/narms/about/index.html">NARMS</a>), which tracks resistant bacteria related to retail meat products. Not surprising, not unexpected, but still, not good.</p> <p>Colistin is an <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/9/1333.full">old antibiotic</a>. Dating back to the 1950s, it's been used sparingly over the decades because it can cause serious damage to the kidneys and nervous system. It's also typically administered intravenously in humans, so you can't just pop a colistin pill and be sent home from the doctor. Newer preparations appear to be safer, and because of the problem with antibiotic resistance in general and limited treatment options for multidrug-resistant Gram-negative infections in particular, colistin has seen a new life in the last decade or so as a last line of defense against some of these almost-untreatable infections.</p> <p>Because of its sparing use in humans, resistance has not been much of an issue until recently. And while human use is relatively rare compared to other types of antibiotics, in animals, the story is different. Because colistin is old and cheap, it's used as an <a href="http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/21/mcr-gene-colistin/">additive to feed in Chinese livestock</a>, to make them grow faster and fatter. (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/09/10/antibiotic-resistance-myths-and-misunderstandings/">We do this here in the U.S. too</a>, but using different antibiotics than colistin). So as would be expected, use of this antibiotic led to the evolution and spread of a resistant strain, due to the presence of the MCR-1 gene. By the first time they saw this resistance, <a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(15)00424-7/fulltext">it was already present </a>in 20% of the pigs they tested near Shanghai, and 15% of the raw meat samples they tested. In this case, the gene is on a plasmid, which makes it easier to spread to other types of bacteria. To date, most of the reports of MCR-1 have been in <em>E. coli</em>, but it's also been found in <em><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27090630">Salmonella</a> </em>and<em> Klebsiella pneunoniae</em>--all gut bacteria that can be spread from animals via contaminated food products, or person-to-person when someone carrying the bacterium doesn't wash their hands after using the bathroom.</p> <p>So a question becomes, how exactly did it get here? And that's very difficult to say right now. The hospital where the human case was reported notes that the patient reported no travel history in the past 5 months (so it's unlikely that she traveled to China, for instance, and picked up the gene or bacterium carrying it there). The hospital says they've not found other MCR-1 positive isolates from other patients, but also that they've only been testing specimens for 3 weeks, so...yeah. Hard to say. People and animals (like the tested pig) can carry <em>E. coli</em> or other species that harbor MCR-1<i> </i>in their gut without becoming ill, so it may have been in the population for awhile (<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27168587">as they've seen in Brazil</a>) before it came to the attention of medical researchers. Perhaps it's been circulating in some of our meat products, or spreading in a chain of miniscule transfers of shit from person to person to person to person, for longer than we realize. Or both.</p> <p>I was asked on Twitter yesterday, "<a href="https://twitter.com/GeckoVox/status/735909886869938176">Should I panic today or put that off until next week?</a>" I'm not an advocate of panic myself, but I do think this is yet another concern and another hit on our antibiotic arsenal. It's not widespread in this country and as mentioned, colistin is luckily not a first-line drug, so it won't affect all *that* many people--for now, at least.</p> <p>But.</p> <p>There are already <a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(16)00056-6/fulltext?rss=yes">papers out there</a> <a href="http://aac.asm.org/content/early/2016/05/17/AAC.00440-16.long">showing bacteria that</a> have both NDM-1 (or related variants) and MCR-1 genes. NDM-1 is a gene that provides resistance to another class of last-resort antibiotics, the carbapenems. (Maryn McKenna has covered this extensively <a href="http://www.wired.com/search?query=NDM-1&amp;cx=010858178366868418930%3Afk33zkiunj8&amp;cof=FORID%3A9&amp;ie=UTF-8">on her blog</a>). When carbapenems fail, treatment with colistin sometimes works. But if the bacterium is resistant to both colistin and carbapenems, well...not good. That hasn't been reported yet in the U.S., but it's only a matter of time, as <a href="http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/26/colistin-r-9/">McKenna notes</a>.</p> <p>It doesn't mean that we're out of antibiotics (yet) or that everyone who has one of these resistant infections will be unable to find a treatment that works (yet). But we're inching ever closer to those days, one resistant bacterium at a time.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Fri, 05/27/2016 - 10:05</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistant-bacteria" hreflang="en">antibiotic-resistant bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bacteria" hreflang="en">bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/carbapenems" hreflang="en">carbapenems</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/colistin" hreflang="en">Colistin</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/epidemiology" hreflang="en">epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/life-sciences" hreflang="en">Life Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844801" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1464396936"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>On January 27,2016 , my 3 week old son was diagnosed with E. coli bacterial meningitis and E. coli bacteremia, he was put on about 3 antibiotics until they found the one they thought was killing it, he was treated for 21 days. He was discharged and 2 days later was back in the hospital, with fevers and another positive test for E. coli bacteremia and was put on another antibiotic for 21 days, I was told the bacteria was a gram stain negative bacteria.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844801&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vn57qa9ZhaYfRA6p5URPxWnN8lgEuwXxlrbhW6IBY4M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cortney (not verified)</span> on 27 May 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844801">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844802" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465567208"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have been trying to look into this further as it is a topic I am not too educated on. Can anyone inform me of a good place to read up on the subject at all?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844802&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H44a1lBLh0-1II3F9lQO0FtHHtrmqi8b6BFwmvcTqTs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Elisa Kits (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844802">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844803" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1466406027"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This discovery of that MCR-1, that provides resistance to the antibiotic colistin, will have an impact of having clinical trials to test new antibiotics. <a href="http://erc.uonbi.ac.ke">http://erc.uonbi.ac.ke</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844803&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_aWZcQ9cFu5WfL98mqeC6R25kpHtjTkIMDVvh4hRwOM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Samuel Kazungu (not verified)</span> on 20 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844803">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2016/05/27/mcr-1-has-been-identified-in-the-united-states-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 27 May 2016 14:05:12 +0000 tsmith 58142 at https://scienceblogs.com Zika: what we're still missing https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2016/02/01/zika <span>Zika: what we&#039;re still missing</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As you've probably seen, unless you've been living in a cave, Zika virus is the infectious disease topic du jour. From an obscure virus to the newest scare, interest in the virus has skyrocketed just in the past few weeks:</p> <script type="text/javascript" src="//www.google.com/trends/embed.js?hl=en-US&amp;q=zika&amp;tz=Etc/GMT%2B5&amp;content=1&amp;cid=TIMESERIES_GRAPH_0&amp;export=5&amp;w=500&amp;h=330"></script><p>  <br /> I have a few pieces already on Zika, so I won't repeat myself here. The first is an <a href="http://mentalfloss.com/article/74622/7-questions-about-zika-virus-answered" target="_blank">introductory primer</a> to the virus, answering the basic questions--what is it, where did it come from, what are its symptoms, why is it concerning? The second focuses on Zika's potential <a href="http://qz.com/605007/an-infectious-disease-expert-breaks-down-zikas-threat-to-pregnant-women-in-the-us/" target="_blank">risk to pregnant women</a>, and what is currently being advised for them.</p> <p>I want to be clear, though--currently, we aren't 100% sure that Zika virus is causing microcephaly, the condition that is most concerning with this recent outbreak. The circumstantial evidence appears to be pretty strong, but we don't have good data on 1) how common microcephaly really was in Brazil (or other affected countries) prior to the outbreak. Microcephaly seems to have increased dramatically, but some of those cases are not confirmed, and others don't seem to be related to Zika; and if Zika really is causing microcephaly, 2) how Zika could be causing this, whether timing of the infection makes a difference, and whether women who are infected asymptomatically are at risk of medical problems in their developing fetuses.</p> <p>The first question needs good epidemiological data for answers. This can be procured in a few ways. First, babies born with microcephaly, and their mothers, can be tested for Zika virus infection. This can be looked at a few ways: finding traces of the virus itself; finding antibodies to the virus (suggesting a past infection--but one can't know the exact timing of this); and asking about known infections during pregnancy. Each approach has advantages and limitations. Tracking the virus or its genetic material is a gold standard, but the virus may only be present in body fluids for a short time. So if you miss that window, a false negative could result. This could be coupled with serology, to look at past infection--but you can't be 100% certain in that case that the infection occurred during pregnancy--though with the apparently recent introduction of Zika into the Americas, it's likely that infection would be fairly recent.</p> <p>Serology coupled with an infection in pregnancy that has symptoms consistent with Zika (headache, muscle/joint pain, rash, fever) would be a step up from this, but has some additional problems. Other viral infections can be similar in symptoms to Zika (dengue, chikungunya, even influenza if the patient is lacking a rash), so tests to rule those out should also be done. On the flip side, about 80% of Zika infections show no symptoms at all--so a woman could still have come into contact with the virus and have positive serology, but she wouldn't have any recollection of infection.</p> <p>None of this is easy to carry out, but needs to be done in order to really establish with some level of certainty that Zika is the cause of microcephaly in this area. In the meantime, there are a few other possibilities to consider: that another virus (such as rubella) is circulating there. This is a known cause of multiple congenital issues, including microcephaly. This could explain why they're seeing cases of microcephaly in Brazil, but none have been reported <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/world/americas/colombia-reports-more-than-2100-pregnant-women-have-zika-virus.html?smid=tw-share" target="_blank">thus far in Colombia</a>. Another is that there is no real increase in microcephaly at all--that, for some reason, people have just recently started paying more attention to it, and associated it with the Zika outbreak in the area--what we call a surveillance bias.</p> <p>This is a fast-moving story, and we probably won't have any solid answers to these questions for some time. In the interim, I think it's prudent to take this as a possibility, and raise awareness of the potential this virus *may* have on the developing fetus, so that women can take precautions as they're able. Public health is about prevention, and there have certainly been cases in the past of links between A and B that fell apart under further scrutiny. Zika/microcephaly may be one, but for now, it's an unfortunate case where "more research is needed" is about the best answer one can currently give.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Mon, 02/01/2016 - 09:44</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-viruses" hreflang="en">Various viruses</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/epidemiology" hreflang="en">epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/microcephaly" hreflang="en">Microcephaly</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pregnancy" hreflang="en">pregnancy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/viruses" hreflang="en">viruses</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zika" hreflang="en">zika</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844667" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1454387585"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would be very interested in seeing epidemiological data from areas of where Zika virus has been known for decades. From the distribution maps I have seen, there are no "outbreaks" shown in continental Africa or Asia right now, but would outbreaks even be noticed? Does Zika "disappear" from circulation for substantial periods, or is it constantly in circulation but not really noticed? Given that most people infected will be asymptomatic and the symptoms in the rest are quite mild, it would seem that it could be "always around" but pretty much unnoticed.<br /> If it is constantly in circulation, my off the cuff hypothesis is that the majority of girls would be infected and presumably develop reasonably good adaptive immunity well before they would bear children. If this were the case, then infection during pregnancy, along with any severe consequences to the fetus, would likely be rare.<br /> Unfortunately, I suspect there is almost no data currently available.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844667&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ItKRO9TDWyHhH8RweY04IagP3og8XJSk2Fo2vdvneCM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">doug (not verified)</span> on 01 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844667">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844668" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1454396968"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nice one! I have blogged on it on my site: rybicki.wordpress.com</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844668&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QCghgwxOcW4ReXzQLBRoKh1u4RrddnbJpMRus6n90qU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed Rybicki (not verified)</span> on 02 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844668">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844669" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1454962963"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Another possible explanation is industrial and agricultural pollution. The portion of Brazil reporting many cases of microcephaly is known for very high levels of pollution with toxic chemicals and heavy metals, compared to the countries that have numerous Zika cases but, as yet, no known increase in microcephaly. Brazil has had a nasty habit of letting those who speak against environmental destruction be murdered.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844669&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0PK5ssu0H95S6h3DDONo-KbGNcW119hnSE7JDCvFivY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jane (not verified)</span> on 08 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844669">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844671" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1490298558"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Excellent article on the Zika Virus. Unfortunately in Brazil, as long as the staff is not aware of it, to stop mosquito outbreaks, it will not end anytime soon.</p> <p>Sara Lins by <a href="http://cursodefarmacia.net/grade-curricular/microbiologia/">Sobre Microbiologia</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844671&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FM4f7GTHcSjOHXJkSC1ORg0UcfPbZ28rRD8DqTsREGY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sara Lins (not verified)</span> on 23 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844671">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2016/02/01/zika%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:44:19 +0000 tsmith 58140 at https://scienceblogs.com Antibiotic resistance: myths and misunderstandings https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/09/10/antibiotic-resistance-myths-and-misunderstandings <span>Antibiotic resistance: myths and misunderstandings</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><div style="width: 310px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/aetiology/files/2015/09/DSCN2864.jpg"><img class="wp-image-2509 size-medium" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2015/09/DSCN2864-300x225.jpg" alt="DSCN2864" width="300" height="225" /></a> A pig flying at the Minnesota state fair. Picture by TCS. </div> <p>I've been involved in a few discussions of late on science-based sites around yon web on antibiotic resistance and agriculture--specifically, the campaign to get fast food giant Subway to <a href="http://www.pressherald.com/2015/09/08/letter-to-the-editor-subway-needs-to-pressure-suppliers-to-drop-antibiotics/" target="_blank">stop using meat raised on antibiotics</a>, and <a href="http://findourcommonground.com//wp-content/uploads/47624_CG_antibiotics_Infographic_HiRes-573.jpg" target="_blank">a graphic</a> by CommonGround using Animal Health Institute data, suggesting that agricultural animals aren't an important source of resistant bacteria. Discussing these topics has shown me there's a lot of misunderstanding of issues in antibiotic resistance, even among those who consider themselves pretty science-savvy.</p> <p>I think this is partly an issue of, perhaps, hating to agree with one's "enemy." Vani Hari, the "Food Babe," recently also plugged the <a href="http://foodbabe.com/subwaymeat/" target="_blank">Subway campaign</a>, perhaps making skeptics now skeptical of the issue of antibiotics and agriculture? Believe me, I am the farthest thing from a "Food Babe" fan and have criticized her many times on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/taracsmithphd" target="_blank">my Facebook page</a>, but unlike her ill-advised and unscientific campaigns against things like fake <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/bckg" target="_blank">pumpkin flavoring in coffee</a> or <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/dYY" target="_blank">"yoga mat" chemicals</a> in Subway bread, this is one issue that actually has scientific support--stopped clocks and all that. Nevertheless, I think some people get bogged down in a lot of exaggeration or misinformation on the topic.</p> <p>So, some thoughts. Please note that in many cases, my comments will be an over-simplification of a more complex problem, but I'll try to include nuance when I can (without completely clouding the issue).</p> <p><strong>First--why is antibiotic resistance an issue?</strong></p> <p>Since the development of penicillin, we have been in an ongoing "war" with the bacteria that make us ill. Almost as quickly as antibiotics are used, bacteria are capable of developing or acquiring resistance to them. These resistance genes are often present on transmissible pieces of DNA--plasmids, transposons, phage--which allow them to move between bacterial cells, even those of completely different species, and spread that resistance. So, once it emerges, resistance is very difficult to keep under control. As such, much better to work to prevent this emergence, and to provide conditions where resistant bacteria don't encounter selection pressures to maintain resistance genes (1).</p> <p>In our 75-ish years of using antibiotics to treat infections, we've increasingly found ourselves losing this war. As bacterial species have evolved resistance to our drugs, we keep coming back with either brand-new drugs in different classes of antibiotics, or we've made slight tweaks to existing drugs so that they can escape the mechanisms bacteria use to get around them. And they're killing us. <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/threat-report-2013/" target="_blank">In the US alone</a>, antibiotic-resistant infections cause about 2 million infections per year, and about 23,000 deaths due to these infections--plus tens of thousands of additional deaths from diseases that are complicated by antibiotic-resistant infections. They cost <a href="http://www.idsociety.org/AR_Facts/" target="_blank">at least $20 billion per year</a>.</p> <p>But we're <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/1/1.full" target="_blank">running out of these drugs</a>. And where do the vast majority come from in any case? Other microbes--fungi, other bacterial species--so in some cases, that means there are also pre-existing resistance mechanisms to even new drugs, just waiting to spread. It's so bad right now that even the WHO has sounded the alarm, warning of the potential for a "<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/who-warns-against-post-antibiotic-era-1.15135" target="_blank">post-antibiotic era</a>."</p> <p>This is some serious shit.</p> <p><strong>Where does resistance come from?</strong></p> <p>Resistant bacteria can be bred anytime an antibiotic is used. As such, researchers in the field tend to focus on two large areas: use of antibiotics in human medicine, and in animal husbandry. Human medicine is probably pretty obvious: humans get drugs to treat infections in hospital and outpatient settings, and in some cases, to protect against infection if a person is exposed to an organism--think of all the prophylactic doses of ciprofloxacin given out after the 2001 anthrax attacks, for example.</p> <p>In human medicine, there is still much debate about 1) the proper dosing of many types of antibiotics--what is the optimal length of time to take them to ensure a cure, but also reduce the chance of incubating resistant organisms? This is an active area of research; and 2) when it is proper to prescribe antibiotics, period. For instance, ear infections. These cause many sleepless nights for parents, a lot of time off work and school, and many trips to clinics to get checked out. But do all kids who have an ear infection need antibiotics? Probably not. A <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15930204" target="_blank">recent study</a> found that "watchful waiting" as an alternative to immediate prescription of antibiotics worked about as well as drug treatment for nonsevere ear infections in children--one data point among many that antibiotics are probably over-used in human medicine, and particularly for children. So this is one big area of interest and research (among many in human health) when it comes to trying to curb antibiotic use and employ the best practices of "judicious use" of antibiotics.</p> <p>Another big area of use is agriculture (2). Just as in humans, antibiotics in ag can be used for treatment of sick animals, which is completely justifiable and accepted--but there are many divergences as well. For one, animals are often treated as a herd--if a certain threshold of animals in a population become ill, all will be treated in order to prevent an even worse outbreak of disease in a herd. Two, antibiotics can be, and frequently are, used prophylactically, before any disease is present--for example, at times when the producer historically has seen disease outbreaks in the herd, such as when animals are moved from one place to another (moving baby pigs from a nursery facility to a grower farm, as one example). Third, they can be used for growth promotion purposes--to make animals fatten up to market weight more quickly.  The latter is, by far, the most contentious use, and the "low hanging fruit" that is often targeted for elimination.</p> <p>From practically the beginning of this practice, there were people who spoke out against it, suggesting it was a bad idea, and that the use of these antibiotics in agriculture could lead to resistance which could affect human health. A <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/772441" target="_blank">pair of</a> <a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197609092951103" target="_blank">publications</a> by Stuart Levy <em>et al.</em> in 1976 demonstrated this was more than a theoretical concern, and that antibiotic-resistant <em>E. coli </em>were indeed generated on farms using antibiotics, and transferred to farmers working there. Since this time, literally thousands of publications on this topic have demonstrated the same thing, examining different exposures, antibiotics, and bacterial species. There's no doubt, scientifically, that use of antibiotics in agriculture causes the evolution and spread of resistance into human populations.</p> <p><strong>Why care about antibiotic use in agriculture?</strong></p> <p>A quick clarification that's a common point of confusion--I'm not discussing antibiotic *residues* in meat products as a result of antibiotic use in ag (see, for example, the infographic linked above). In theory, antibiotic residues should not be an issue, because all drugs have a withdrawal period that farmers are supposed to adhere to prior to sending animals off to slaughter. These guidelines were developed so that antibiotics will not show up in an animal's meat or milk. The real issue of concern for public health are the resistant bacteria, which *can* be transmitted via these routes.</p> <p>Agriculture comes up many times for a few reasons. First, because people have the potential to be exposed to antibiotic-resistant bacteria that originate on farms via food products that they eat or handle. Everybody eats, and even vegetarians aren't completely protected from antibiotic use on farms (I'll get into this below). So even if you're far removed from farmland, you may be exposed to bacteria incubating there via your turkey dinner or hamburger.</p> <p>Second, because the vast majority of antibiotic use, by weight, occurs on farms--and many of these are the very same antibiotics used in human medicine (penicillins, tetracyclines, macrolides). It's historically been very difficult to get good numbers on this use, so you may have seen numbers as high as <a href="http://www.nrdc.org/food/saving-antibiotics.asp" target="_blank">80% of all antibiotic use in the U.S. occurs on farms</a>. A better number is probably 70% (described <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/15/louise-slaughter/rep-louise-slaughter-says-80-antibiotics-are-fed-l/">here</a> by Politifact), which excludes a type of antibiotic called ionophores--these aren't used in human medicine (3). So a great deal of selection for resistance is taking place on farms, but has the potential to spread into households across the country--and almost certainly has. Recent studies have demonstrated also that resistant infections transmitted through food don't always stay in your gut--they can also cause serious <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/how-your-chicken-dinner-is-creating-a-drug-resistant-superbug/259700/" target="_blank">urinary tract infections</a> and even <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/06/07/cid.cis502.abstract" target="_blank">sepsis</a>. Studies <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1004564" target="_blank">from my lab and others</a> (4) examining <em>S. aureus </em>have identified livestock as a reservoir for various types of this bacterium--including methicillin-resistant subtypes.</p> <p><strong>How does antibiotic resistance spread?</strong></p> <p>In sum--in a lot of different ways. Resistant bacteria, and/or their resistance genes, can enter our environment--our water, our air, our homes via meat products, our schools via asymptomatic colonization of students and teachers--just about anywhere bacteria can go, resistance genes will tag along. <a href="http://www.kalliopimonoyios.com/" target="_blank">Kalliopi Monoyios</a> created this schematic for the above-mentioned paper I wrote earlier this year on livestock-associated <em>Staphyloccocus aureus</em> and its spread, but it really holds for just about any antibiotic-resistant bacterium out there:</p> <p><img class="aligncenter" src="http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article/figure/image?size=medium&amp;id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.ppat.1004564.g001" alt="" width="437" height="457" /></p> <p>And as I noted above, once it's out there, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle. And it can spread in such a multitude of different ways that it complicates tracking of these organisms, and makes it practically impossible to trace farm-origin bacteria back to their host animals. Instead, we have to rely on studies of meat, <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004258" target="_blank">farmers</a>, <a href="http://aem.asm.org/content/75/17/5714.abstract" target="_blank">water</a>, soil, <a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/article16839428.html" target="_blank">air</a>, and <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/674860?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents" target="_blank">people living near farms</a> in order to make connections back to these animals.</p> <p>And this is where even vegetarians aren't "safe" from these organisms. What happens to much of the manure generated on industrial farms? It's used as fertilizer on crops, bringing resistant bacteria and resistance genes along with it, as well as into our air when manure is aerosolized (as it is in some, but not all, crop applications) and into our soil and water--and as noted below, antibiotics themselves can also be used in horticulture as well.</p> <p><strong>So isn't something being done about this? Why are we bothering with this anymore?</strong></p> <p>Kind of, but it's not enough. Scientists and advocates have been trying to do something about this topic since at least 1969, when the UK's Swann report on the use of Antibiotics in Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Medicine was released. As noted <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3135024/" target="_blank">here</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>One of its recommendations was that the only antimicrobials that should be permitted as growth promotants in animals were those that were not depended on for therapy in humans or whose use was not likely to lead to resistance to antimicrobials that were important for treating humans.</p></blockquote> <p>And some <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/health/policy/fda-restricts-use-of-antibiotics-in-livestock.html?_r=0" target="_blank">baby steps</a> have been made previously, restricting use of some important types of antibiotics. More recently in the U.S., Federal Guidelines <a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/animalveterinary/guidancecomplianceenforcement/guidanceforindustry/ucm216936.pdf" target="_blank">209</a> and <a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalVeterinary/GuidanceComplianceEnforcement/GuidanceforIndustry/UCM299624.pdf" target="_blank">213</a> were adopted in order to reduce the use of what have been deemed "medically-important" antibiotics in the livestock industry. These are a good step forward, but truthfully are only baby steps. They apply only to the use of growth-promotant antibiotics (those for "production use" as noted in the documents), and not other uses including prophylaxis. There also is no mechanism for monitoring or policing individuals who may continue to use these in violation of the guidelines--they have "no teeth." As such, there's concern that use for growth promotion will merely be re-labeled as use for prophylaxis.</p> <p>Further, even now, we still have no data on the breakdown of antibiotic use in different species. We know over <a href="http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/CVMUpdates/ucm440585.htm" target="_blank">32 million pounds</a> were used in livestock in 2013, but with no clue how much of that was in pigs versus cattle, etc.</p> <p>We do know that animals can be raised using lower levels of antibiotics. The European Union has not allowed growth promotant antibiotics since 2006. You'll read different reports of how successful that has been (or not); <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/03/23/149221287/europes-mixed-record-on-animal-antibiotics" target="_blank">this NPR article</a> has a balanced review. What's pretty well agreed-upon is that, to make such a ban successful, you need good regulation and a change in farming practices. Neither of these will be in place in the U.S. when the new guidance mechanisms go into place next year--so will this really benefit public health? Uncertain. We need more.</p> <p>So this brings me back to Subway (and McDonald's, and Chipotle, and other giants that have pledged to reduce use of antibiotics in the animals they buy). Whatever large companies do, consumers are demonstrating that they hold cards to push this issue forward--much faster than the FDA has been able to do (remember, it took them 40 freaking years just to get these voluntary guidelines in place). Buying USDA-certified organic or meat labeled "raised without antibiotics" is no 100% guarantee that you'll have antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-free meat products, unfortunately, because contamination can be introduced during slaughter, packing, or handling--but in on-farm studies of animals, farmers, and farm environment, studies have typically found reduced levels of antibiotic-resistant bacteria on organic/antibiotic-free farms than their "conventional" counterparts (one example <a href="http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1003350/" target="_blank">here</a>, looking at farms that were transitioning to organic poultry farming).</p> <p>Nothing is perfect, and biology is messy. Sometimes reducing antibiotic use takes a long time to have an impact, because resistance genes aren't always quickly lost from a population even when the antibiotics have been removed. Sometimes a change may be seen in the bacteria animals are carrying, but it takes longer for human bacterial populations to change. No one is expecting miracles, or a move to more animals raised antibiotic-free to be a cure-all. And it's not possible to raise every animal as antibiotic-free in any case; sick animals need to be treated, and even on antibiotic-free farms, there is often some low level of antibiotic use for therapeutic purposes. (These treated animals are then supposed to be marked and cannot be sold as "antibiotic-free"). But reducing the levels of unnecessary antibiotics in animal husbandry, in conjunction with programs promoting judicious use of antibiotics in human health, is a necessary step. We've waited too long already to take it.</p> <p><strong>Footnotes</strong>:</p> <p>(1) Though we know that, in some cases, resistance genes can remain in a population even in the absence of direct selection pressures--or they may be on a cassette with other resistance genes, so by using any one of those selective agents, you're selecting for maintenance of the entire cassette.</p> <p>(2) I've chosen to focus on use in humans &amp; animal husbandry, but antibiotics are also used in companion animal veterinary medicine and even for aquaculture and horticulture (such as for prevention of disease in fruit trees). The use in these fields is considerably smaller than in human medicine and livestock, but these are also active areas of research and investigation.</p> <p>(3) This doesn't necessarily mean they don't lead to resistance, though. In theory, ionophores can act just like other antibiotics and co-select for resistance genes to other, human-use antibiotics, so their use may still contribute to the antibiotic resistance problem. Studies <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/677834#full_text_tab_contents" target="_blank">from my lab</a> and others have shown that the use of zinc, for instance--an antimicrobial metal used as a dietary supplement on some pig farms, can co-select for antibiotic resistance. In our case, for methicillin-resistant <em>S. aureus</em>.</p> <p>(4) See many more of my publications <a href="http://www.taracsmith.com/publications.html" target="_blank">here</a>, or a Nature profile about some of my work <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/mrsa-farming-up-trouble-1.13427" target="_blank">here</a>.</p> <p> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 09/10/2015 - 07:18</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ecology" hreflang="en">ecology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/agriculture" hreflang="en">agriculture</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotics" hreflang="en">antibiotics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/e-coli" hreflang="en">E. coli</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ecology" hreflang="en">ecology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/social-sciences" hreflang="en">Social Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844650" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441896415"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Really great blog. Thanks for you work and your communication on this issue. Nicely done!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844650&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1B8fqPyIIgFlSMSCnBV8Rdpf03Ohfj6PV_mL3XpergE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">C Cordova (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844650">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844651" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441900292"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fantastic article, Tara, and it should be widely read.</p> <p>What to do about Food Babe: "Food Babe's comments in support of reducing nonessential use of agricultural antibiotics are convergent with widely-accepted conclusions of mainstream science." The framing is: she agrees with us, not vice-versa. (And frankly if she can get a large flock of wooskis onboard for this, maybe some of them will stick around for more science. One can hope...)</p> <p>Consumer demand does have the potential to bring change ahead of government regulation. This is something in which we can all participate, by simply asking for antibiotic-free meat wherever we shop. Even folks on a poverty budget can afford this by buying a little less meat and substituting other foods. Shifting demand by even a few percentage points could be enough to start a competitive trend that results in major gains: by analogy consider the increase in recycled paper content of various kinds of household paper products over the years.</p> <p>Re. meat producers objecting to regulation: if all of them are held to the same regulatory standards, and the regs are enforced, then the playing field has not been tilted: it's been shifted equally for all. Thus their competitive situation does not change compared to what it is before the regulations are enacted. This is an effective counterpoint to their complaints. </p> <p>Eventually we'll have inexpensive "vat meat," that should hopefully put an end to a wide range of undesirable agricultural practices.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844651&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jJazibdey0JVMMe5GixxO4SGOJ4a1oESt6fUlnzmeag"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844651">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844652" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441931646"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is a great explainer, I'll be happy to push it along! A pity about the Food Babe and the Subway campaign; a good bet that, if Subway does what campaigners want, she'll claim she made it happen, just as she claimed she was responsible for the Chick-fil-A decision. (Not.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844652&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FpiSJWSqluUi2kviWDy9Zh8apSMXb6xjHTHeQf_AL7E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">maryn (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844652">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844653" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441931875"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>G, re regulation--that's a big "if" (several, in fact). I think a big reason the voluntary guidance documents got buy-in from industry was because they lack real enforcement, but at the same time allow for the companies to say "see, we're helping!" </p> <p>Maryn, thanks! And of course she will--it's all her "army" that do these things, right? Not the people who have been working on it behind the scenes with less fanfare for years before she ever came onto the scene...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844653&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_ikTjXDNL-XtKrEVryzCZVuDPwLc-XnvPYb5eNOmSrY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844653">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844654" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441942434"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara @ 4: Thanks; and clearly "voluntary guidance" has not worked, so it's time for all of us to pester our elected officials until they take decisive action. Agreed, "several IFs don't make a THUS," but as all of this operates in the realm of politics, part of our task is the use of rhetoric. Apparently I didn't do such a good job of it there, but these kinds of public discussions are useful for critique &amp; refining our rhetorical approaches. </p> <p>Re. Food Babe again, she can take all the credit she wants, because in the bigger picture she's small beans compared to public health scientists who have real credibility based on real achievements.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844654&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-rdiFvu14dHlHtO-EEHTW3wVUlexqDpGHaUGjmHK12Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844654">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844655" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441994625"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara, thank you for one of the best explainers I've ever read on antibiotics resistance, and something we need more of. I am looking forward to sharing this with U.S. PIRG followers and members, who have been working hard to help fight this problem and who will no doubt appreciate this post at least as much as I do. </p> <p>There's one point, however, that I think needs some clarity. It's important to recognize that Subway's statement is not a commitment, and anything short of a concrete plan to switch to meat raised without routine antibiotics will have little, if any, real impact. We saw this in nearly a decade of McDonald's saying it supported the idea of antibiotic-free meat, to no avail. Then, weeks after they made a firm commitment, with a timeline and plan of action, we saw Tysons and a number of others, start to follow suit. This was major. Subway is not quite there.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844655&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wno4wSXacFcd-D1tyjrAL0vHIdSVGPS5KpPZXVFCdYE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anya Vanecek (not verified)</span> on 11 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844655">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844656" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1443048247"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is the appropriate conclusion for the study from Levy that tetracycline resistant bacteria is a consequence of tet feed or is the appropriate conclusion that traces of tet feed in the atmosphere are sufficient to kill non resistant bacteria. The reduced completion would result in more favorable conditions for the tetracycline resistant bacteria growth. Obviously, the condition was favorable to chicken production or the feed would not have been marketable.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844656&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="atit8-6iZJwdBw_nVHXrgAb6SiiWEDYayH3zmdrOpws"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rex Peterson (not verified)</span> on 23 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844656">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844657" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1443050231"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's a consequence of using feed containing the antibiotic, which selects for the resistant bacteria.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844657&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N-InDh0Xok8z9hX6Yv7p59dT3cqNgwS8Ts30T9VTSL4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 23 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844657">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844658" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1444428060"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you for the work you put into this article! It really helped simplify all the parts in the relationship between humans and antibiotics, and the cause and effect. This is the kind of information that needs to be more readily available to the public. I do not think the average person is aware of some of the points you have made here, which I think is another problem in and of itself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844658&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8edJxWu1tTk25MTS6j6Cs78PDWCx9Pq9C_bYPrPA5x8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brittany N. (not verified)</span> on 09 Oct 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844658">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844659" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1445149854"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fantastic article! It is great to see word about antibiotic resistance spreading. Antibiotic resistance truly is one of the greatest threats to the worlds future health, The guardian recently release an article stating that there could be an additional 6300 deaths per year in the US if the effectiveness of antibiotics drops by only 30%. </p> <p>We at Moderate the Medicine (moderatethemedicine.wordpress.com) are also campaigning to promote the responsible usage of antibiotics. We try to present information about antibiotic resistance that is accessible to the general public, with articles like our latest: 7 things you can do to help prevent antibiotic resistance (<a href="https://moderatethemedicine.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/7-things-you-can-do-to-help-prevent-antibiotic-resistance">https://moderatethemedicine.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/7-things-you-can-d…</a>) and topics ranging from the history of antibiotics to the impacts the livestock industry has on antibiotic resistance. </p> <p>Thank you for spreading the word</p> <p>Stay well.<br /> Moderate the Medicine.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844659&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XG_51mqRV-vpXnQ8k3ZqTBMPM6pO0ADsh9pOQBKXmlo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Moderate the Medicine">Moderate the M… (not verified)</span> on 18 Oct 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844659">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844660" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1448557618"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is a great post that is very informative! Antibiotic resistance is a huge issue that is quickly growing, and unfortunately it is not something that very many people know about, or fully understand. I think the great misconception about antibiotics is that it is only taking them unnecessarily or incorrectly that causes resistance, which is not the case. While this is a huge contributor (studies done by the CDC estimate that half of all prescriptions are given incorrectly or unnecessarily), it is not the sole cause. Taking antibiotics in any way, shape, or form helps to contribute to resistance. This is why getting antibiotics out of our food sources, namely livestock, is so important! Thank you for writing about a very important issue and for helping to educate people!</p> <p>Molly Klug</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844660&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eSA2FLRVAAdZAcPXAjD3jfuYFjqyOnNLfEiieoll1wI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Molly Klug (not verified)</span> on 26 Nov 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844660">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844661" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1448640242"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One thing not mentioned here is the massive use of anti-bacterial soaps, everywhere, all the time. When people use soaps that are claimed to kill 99.9% of germs, no one seems to worry about what becomes of the other 0.1% over time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844661&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tDsqQtpFXQOm3DAW6ar1bCwu7Pk8E6JDsncpg0oX_UA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Skeptic Scott (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844661">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844662" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1451481011"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>An outstanding article.<br /> I recently wrote my final Life Science exam and in my studying I developed quite an interest in Darwin’s theory of natural selection. This article was very educational in the sense that I now see that there is a fine balance in nature and that it is our responsibility to do our utmost to keep the balance. We are after all part of nature and rely on it for everything.<br /> Thank you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844662&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3NrLKXSCZjKfxD6Rp4Hmr5dVZ-0Q3L7kkpe_9b9y5-U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Louis Wentzel (not verified)</span> on 30 Dec 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844662">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2015/09/10/antibiotic-resistance-myths-and-misunderstandings%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:18:05 +0000 tsmith 58138 at https://scienceblogs.com ST398 carriage and infections in farmers, United States https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/04/30/st398-carriage-and-infections-in-farmers-united-states <span>ST398 carriage and infections in farmers, United States</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been working on livestock-associated <em>Staphylococcus aureus</em> and farming now for almost a decade. In that time, work from my lab has shown that, first, the "livestock-associated" strain of methicillin-resistant <em>S. aureus</em> (MRSA) that was found originally in Europe and then <a href="http://mrsa-net.nl/files/de/file-eg-ant-124-0-Khanna.pdf" target="_blank">in Canada</a>, ST398, is <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004258" target="_blank">in the United States </a>in pigs and farmers; that it's present here in <a href="http://www.jiph.org/article/S1876-0341(11)00047-5/abstract" target="_blank">raw meat</a> <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0030092" target="_blank">products</a>; that "LA" <em>S. aureus </em>can be found not only in the agriculture-intensive Midwest, but also in tiny pig states <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1863-2378.2012.01527.x/abstract" target="_blank">like Connecticut</a>. With collaborators, we've also shown that ST398 can be found in unexpected places, <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/4/11-1419_article.htm" target="_blank">like Manhattan</a>, and that the ST398 strain appears to have originated as a <a href="http://mbio.asm.org/content/3/1/e00305-11" target="_blank">"human" type of <em>S. aureus</em> </a>which subsequently was transmitted to and evolved in pigs, obtaining additional antibiotic-resistance genes while losing some genes that help the bacterium adapt to its human host. We also found a "human" type of <em>S. aureus</em>, ST5, <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0053738" target="_blank">way more commonly than expected</a> in pigs originating in central Iowa, suggesting that the evolution of S. aureus in livestock is ongoing, and <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1004564" target="_blank">is more complicated</a> than just ST398 = "livestock" Staph.</p> <p>However, with all of this research, there's been a big missing link that I repeatedly get asked about: what about actual, symptomatic infections in people? How often do <em>S. aureus</em> that farmers might encounter on the farm make them ill? We tried to address this in a retrospective survey we <a href="http://www.aaem.pl/pdf/17331.pdf" target="_blank">published previously</a>, but that research suffered from all the problems that retrospective surveys do--recall bias, low response rate, and the possibility that those who responded did so *because* they had more experience with <em>S. aureus</em> infections, thus making the question more important to them. Plus, because it was asking about the past, we had no way to know that, even if they did report a prior infection, if it was due to ST398 or another type of <em>S. aureus</em>.</p> <p>So, in 2011, we started a prospective study that was <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/civ234?%20ijkey=VZMZJZ5ndth01xL&amp;keytype=ref" target="_blank">just published in <em>Clinical Infectious Diseases</em></a>, enrolling over 1,300 rural Iowans (mostly farmers of some type, though we did include individuals with no farming exposures as well, and spouses and children of farmers) and testing them at enrollment for <em>S. aureus</em> colonization in the nose or throat. Like previous studies done by our group <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0067641" target="_blank">and</a> <a href="http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1306741/" target="_blank">others</a> in the US, we found that pig farmers were more likely to be carrying<em> S. aureus</em> that were resistant to multiple antibiotics, and especially to tetracycline--a common antibiotic used while raising pigs. Surprisingly, we didn't find any difference in MRSA colonization among groups, but that's likely because we enrolled relatively small-scale farmers, rather than workers in concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) like we had examined in prior research, who are exposed to many more animals living in more crowded conditions (and possibly receiving more antibiotics).</p> <p>What was unique about this study, besides its large size, was that we then followed participants for 18 months to examine development of <em>S. aureus</em> infections. Participants sent us a monthly questionnaire telling us that they had a possible Staph infection or not; describing the infection if there was one, including physician diagnosis and treatment; and when possible, sending us a sample of the infected area for bacterial isolation and typing. Over the course of the study, which followed people for over 15,ooo "person-months" in epi-speak, 67 of our participants reported developing over 100 skin and soft tissue infections. Some of them were "possibly" <em>S. aureus</em>--sometimes they didn't go to the doctor, but they had a skin infection that matched the handout we had given them that gave pictures of what Staph infections commonly look like. Other times they were cellulitis, which often can't be definitively confirmed as caused by <em>S. aureus</em> without more invasive tests. Forty-two of the infections were confirmed by a physician, or at the lab as <em>S. aureus</em> due to a swab sent by the patient.</p> <p>Of the swabs we received that were positive, 3/10 were found to be ST398 strains--and all of those were in individuals who had contact with livestock. A fourth individual who also had contact with pigs and cows had an ST15 infection. Individuals lacking livestock contact had infections with more typical "human" strains, such as ST8 and ST5 (usually described as "community-associated" and "hospital-associated" types of Staph). So yes, ST398 is causing infections in farmers in the US--and very likely, these are flying under the radar, because 1) farmers really, really don't like to go to the doctor unless they're practically on their deathbed, and 2) even if they do, and even if the physician diagnoses and cultures <em>S. aureus</em> (which is not incredibly common--many diagnoses are made on appearance alone), there are very limited programs in rural areas to routinely type <em>S. aureus</em>. Even in Iowa, where invasive <em>S. aureus</em> infections were previously state-reportable, we know that fewer than<a href="https://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/cade/antibioticreport.pdf" target="_blank"> half of the samples</a> even from these infections ever made it to the State lab for testing--and for skin infections? Not even evaluated.</p> <p>As warnings are sounded all over the world about the <a href="http://www.voanews.com/content/who-global-threat-from-antiobtic-resistance-growing/2741764.html" target="_blank">looming problem of antibiotic resistance</a>, we need to rein in the denial of antibiotic resistance in the <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2011/09/meat-industry-antibiotic-resistance" target="_blank">food/meat industry</a>. Some positive steps are being made--just the other day, Tyson foods announced they plan to eliminate <a href="http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/28/tyson-abx/" target="_blank">human-use antibiotics in their chicken</a>, and places like <a href="http://www.wired.com/2015/03/mcdonalds-abx/" target="_blank">McDonald's</a> and <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/08/13/211717907/chipotle-changes-antibiotic-free-policy-oops-no-it-doesnt" target="_blank">Chipotle </a>are using antibiotic-free chicken and/or other meat products in response to consumer demand. However, pork and beef still remain more stubborn when it comes to antibiotic use on farms, despite a recent study showing that resistant bacteria generated on cattle feed yards can <a href="http://time.com/3763002/antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-airborne-antimicrobial-resistance-cattle-yards/" target="_blank">transmit via the air</a>, and studies <a href="http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/674860?uid=3739256&amp;uid=2134&amp;uid=2&amp;uid=70&amp;uid=4&amp;sid=21103279111421" target="_blank">by my group</a> and <a href="http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1738717" target="_blank">others</a> demonstrating that people who live in proximity to CAFOs or areas where swine waste is deposited are more likely to have MRSA colonization and/or infections--even if it's with the "human" types of <em>S. aureus</em>. The cat is already out of the bag, the genie is out of the bottle, whatever image or metaphor you prefer--we need to increase surveillance to detect and mitigate these issues, better integrate rural hospitals and clinics into our surveillance nets, and work on mitigation of resistance development and on new solutions for treatment cohesively and with all stakeholders at the table. I don't think that's too much to ask, given the stakes.</p> <p>Reference: Wardyn SE, Forshey BM, Farina S, Kates AE, Nair R, Quick M, Wu J, Hanson BM, O’Malley S, Shows H, Heywood E, Beane-Freeman LE, Lynch CF, Carrel M, Smith TC. <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/civ234?">Swine farming is a risk factor for infection with and high prevalence of multi-drug resistant <em>Staphylococcus aureus</em></a>. Clinical Infectious Diseases, in press, 2015. <a href="http://now.uiowa.edu/2015/04/study-finds-swine-farming-risk-factor-drug-resistant-staph-infections" target="_blank">Link to press release</a>.</p> <p> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 04/30/2015 - 13:03</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/my-research" hreflang="en">My research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus-antibiotic-resistance-farming-agriculture-swine-iowa" hreflang="en">Staphylococcus aureus; antibiotic resistance; farming; agriculture; swine; Iowa;</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844617" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1430415440"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't get it. We've understood the catastrophic consequences of routine antibiotic use in livestock for decades. How is this still legal? How is this still happening?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844617&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J3RNBokWR-YkQCvt7WJL7oBzoWPmlte6k-R_CJfL0kM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Young CC Prof (not verified)</span> on 30 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844617">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844618" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1430441814"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lobbyists? Public health doesn't have the money that the meat and pharmaceutical industry does.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844618&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="74-lrHZvu5qDogaJP8zGfB8iyQMP4l0nVUvdBe7TWvk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 30 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844618">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844619" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1430938938"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Very, very cool study! </p> <p>Tangentially, is it ever possible to 'clear' a colonization? I have a friend who, with her two kids, seems to be colonized with a particularly nasty form of strep (everyone constantly has some kind of infection). </p> <p>Once a person is colonized, are they stuck with that bacteria as a new part of their flora? And, wouldn't we expect their immune system to be very efficient at dealing with it, because of the regular contact?</p> <p>(Bacteria-immune interaction isn't my forte; I usually do cancer-immune interactions.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844619&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qUMVhSnB0Fa_6Ht4y9u0BfUWeu8rGN92et9e4YPv0Tc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 06 May 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844619">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844620" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1434538659"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://ku.ac.ke">Livestock</a> infections are spreading worldwide. Research have been carried out to cab spread of various infections but still the problem persist .</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844620&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="321-gSlQsf5d49F153bFaH86fCY0buTaYbrUbDPfP_U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">James (not verified)</span> on 17 Jun 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844620">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2015/04/30/st398-carriage-and-infections-in-farmers-united-states%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 30 Apr 2015 17:03:15 +0000 tsmith 58135 at https://scienceblogs.com Why quarantine for measles is critical...and quarantine for Ebola was not https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/01/15/why-quarantine-for-measles-is-critical-and-quarantine-for-ebola-was-not <span>Why quarantine for measles is critical...and quarantine for Ebola was not</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Measles has come to the <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/01/13/disneyland-measles-outbreak-it-is-indeed-a-small-world-after-all/">happiest place on Earth</a>. As of this writing, a total of <a href="http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-clinic-measles-20150114-story.html">32 cases</a> of measles have been linked to Disneyland visits that took place between December 17<sup>th</sup> and 20<sup>th</sup>. About 75% of the cases identified to date were not vaccinated, either because they chose to forgo vaccines or because they were too young, and <a href="http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-disneyland-measles-20150114-story.html#page=1">at least 6 have been hospitalized</a>.</p> <p>A measles outbreak is a public health disaster, which can cost into the <a href="https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/each-case-of-measles-costs-33000-there-were-over-600-cases-in-2014/">millions of dollars</a> in health resources. You can be sure that public health workers in California and beyond are working overtime trying to identify cases, educate those who were possibly exposed about how dangerous measles can be, and implement practices so that those who may have been exposed to measles don't further put others at risk. This includes avoiding public places, and practices such as calling ahead to a doctor's offices so possible cases can be ushered into private rooms rather than languishing in the waiting room. A clinic in La Mesa <a href="http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-clinic-measles-20150114-story.html">recently closed</a> because of a potential measles exposure. An unvaccinated South Pasadena woman, Ylsa Tellez, <a href="http://abc7.com/health/south-pasadena-refuses-quarantine-after-sister-gets-measles/474623/">received a quarantine order</a> after her younger sister was diagnosed with measles. Tellez is fighting the order and “taking immune-boosting supplements” instead.</p> <p>Why such extreme measures on the part of public health?</p> <p>Measles is highly contagious. It's spread by air, and so contagious that if an infected person enters a room, leaves, and an unvaccinated person enters the room hours later, they still can contract measles. Remember a few months back, when that figure was circulating showing that <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola">Ebola wasn't particularly easy to spread</a>? Well, measles very much is. The <a href="http://practice.sph.umich.edu/micphp/epicentral/basic_reproduc_rate.php" target="_blank">basic reproductive rate</a> for Ebola is around 2, meaning on average each infected person will cause an additional 2 infections in susceptible individuals.</p> <p>And what’s the reproductive number for measles?</p> <p>Eighteen. Eight. Teen. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it is literally one of the most contagious diseases we know of.  On average, if you have 10 susceptible individuals exposed to a measles patient, <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/yellowbook/2014/chapter-3-infectious-diseases-related-to-travel/measles-rubeola">9 will end up getting sick</a>.</p> <p>How do we break the cycle of transmission? Vaccination is one way--if one has been vaccinated for measles, chances are very low (but not zero, because nothing is perfect) that they will contract measles. Beyond vaccination, the next-best intervention is to keep those who are infected away from everyone else. The way we do this is by quarantining them.</p> <p>In public health terms, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/" target="_blank">quarantine </a>specifically refers to the separation of individuals who have been exposed to an infectious agent, *<strong>but are not yet ill themselves</strong>,* from the rest of society. That way, they’re unable to spread the infection to others. Quarantine makes the most sense when individuals can transmit the infection before they realize they’re sick, which is exactly the case with measles. Infected individuals can spread the virus <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/yellowbook/2014/chapter-3-infectious-diseases-related-to-travel/measles-rubeola">fully 4 days</a> before the characteristic rash starts to appear, and continue to spread it for another 4 or so days after the rash begins—potentially infecting a lot of people. The problem is, like Ylsa Tellez, they’ll feel fine while they’re out there in the general population. They don’t even have to be coughing or sneezing to spread it (symptoms which can appear prior to the rash)—they <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/diseases/measles">can just be breathing</a> (something many of us like to do on a regular basis), and still contaminate their environment with the measles virus.</p> <p>The difference in transmissibility also makes measles a very different situation from Ebola. Public health officials <a href="http://bangordailynews.com/2014/10/30/health/maine-health-experts-condemn-quarantines-for-ebola-aid-workers/">almost universally condemned quarantine</a> for Ebola exposures, for two reasons: 1) Ebola wasn’t highly transmissible, and  <a href="http://www.virology.ws/2014/09/18/what-we-are-not-afraid-to-say-about-ebola-virus/">isn’t airborne</a> like measles is; and 2) because Ebola isn’t efficiently transmitted until late in the infection when the patient is very ill and likely bedridden. Quarantining Ebola patients was a political stunt, not a public health necessity.</p> <p>This is why states have the <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutLawsRegulationsQuarantineIsolation.html">legal authority to enforce quarantine</a> for infectious diseases: it reduces the risk that asymptomatic, potential disease-spreaders will act as “<a href="http://history1900s.about.com/od/1900s/a/typhoidmary.htm">Typhoid Marys</a>” (another asymptomatic, deadly-disease-spreader), which is in the public interest. And while unvaccinated Tellez feels “attacked” and her mother thinks people are being “not nice” when they demand that Tellez submit to quarantine, their choice not to vaccinate has already put many others at risk of disease and, and is resulting in the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/RtAVM/photos/a.414675905269091.96547.414643305272351/838615156208495/?type=1&amp;permPage=1">quarantine of many other exposed</a> individuals as well. In the 2011 Utah measles outbreak, <a href="http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/IDSA/29195">184 were quarantined</a> and thousands of contacts traced, at an expense of approximately $300,000. The Disneyland outbreak has already spread into 4 states (California, Utah, Washington, and Colorado). Quarantine is one of our tools to stem the epidemic. In our recent outbreak among Ohio Amish, <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/01/measles-amish-ohio/11933033/" target="_blank">most willingly submitted to quarantine</a>, and over 10,000 doses of the MMR vaccine were administered. Quarantine is undoubtedly a difficult prospect to face, but perhaps if Tellez and others had been vaccinated in the first place, they, and we, wouldn't be in this situation.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 01/15/2015 - 10:06</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/policy-0" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/anti-vaccine" hreflang="en">Anti-Vaccine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/disneyland" hreflang="en">Disneyland</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/measles" hreflang="en">measles</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mmr" hreflang="en">MMR</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quarantine" hreflang="en">quarantine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vaccines" hreflang="en">vaccines</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/outbreak" hreflang="en">outbreak</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/policy-0" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844579" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1421346907"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't get it. This woman saw her sister sick with measles. She has to realize what a nasty disease it is. She may not understand precisely how contagious it is (much more than most cold viruses) but if she's a graduate student, she should be capable of looking that up.</p> <p>And, why do California's colleges not have vaccine requirements?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844579&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="I3w01RXfWE9vOeV3FWu1qEVkPqIBIAm8qnPVllR9crM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Young CC Prof (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844579">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844580" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1421348792"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara,<br /> Excellent piece. Particularly liked your points on the reproductive number.<br /> "Eighteen. Eight. Teen. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it is literally one of the most contagious diseases we know of." Perfect.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844580&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="--BzyZEVJ1gXGQ7NEPEMCZ9k4d5EKqHlQ32jnb1Wo2M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Robert Herriman (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844580">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844581" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1421350751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The attention from this person refusing to be quarantined highlights just how much work goes into containing these outbreaks. It also highlights another risk of not being vaccinated - having to miss school or work every time someone around you has measles or another vaccine preventable disease.</p> <p>Amazingly, there is another measles case in Orange County right now that is thought to be unrelated to the Disneyland outbreak. An unvaccinated teen at Huntington Beach High School. I wonder how many intentionally unvaccinated students and teachers will need to be quarantined at the school...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844581&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7a67QieraPjLcLHOaDKlnZQeHLM-YRj3oMA9t2y2gS8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vincent Iannelli, MD (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844581">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844582" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1421363080"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The bit about ebola not being transmissible til patient is very ill...then how did Writebol get infected? She was not around such patients...and Dr Khan is said to have gotten ebola from a nurse with whom he had just finished a shift with; he touched the man's skin...a man who was not at dead til days later.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844582&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="becoipsEkdYrMK-Dz_Pyjf8uwBqa5Q5LwDdVILv2UDc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">B R Wilde (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844582">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844583" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1421382642"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>These people should be sued to recover costs incurred related to their negligence.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844583&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4XI6NxEsKxpX6EsjmyStj-ahgu8EdvTWYMCX6tDZfQo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marian (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844583">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844584" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1421567238"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Agreed, full civil liability for those who willfully refuse both immunization and quarantine. And eliminate "personal belief exemptions," otherwise I want an exemption from the law of gravity.</p> <p>In order to make quarantine stick, we need two other things:</p> <p>One, legislation to prevent people losing their jobs in the event they are subject to quarantine. All that's needed here is to insert a few more words into existing legislation that protects workers' jobs if they are called for jury duty. </p> <p>Two, funding and requirement for county sheriffs' departments, that are presumably responsible for enforcing quarantine orders, to provide each quarantined person or household with regular grocery/provisions delivery at no cost to them. (A close friend / coworker and I self-quarantine when we have so much as a cold, but we're geeks who telecommute, we're in biz for ourselves, and we each have sufficient no-cook food on hand (routine "preps" for earthquake etc.). Those who don't shouldn't be made to go hungry in their own homes.) </p> <p>With those two items in place, quarantine would be easily bearable. There would be exactly no excuse for people to refuse quarantine, and those who did could be dealt with strictly.</p> <p>As for the issue of people feeling socially isolated, there are telephones and email, which are better than a locked hospital ward with neither.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844584&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2aAhKMmB-Mx55WrkBNL3AkL7QxZt0sDbzM7_Z9fUcqQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844584">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844585" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1426408774"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is Measles then considered a more deadly disease than Ebola because 'Measles is highly contagious' but Ebola isn't 'particularly easy to spread'?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844585&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N3zc4NuuA3uxDBirdiSyAVAmcr5hKEi5GwPLBYZW08k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kirsten (not verified)</span> on 15 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844585">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844586" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428336902"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is Measles then considered more contagious than Ebola?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844586&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u-uO-0NmjzLM1ZkxrTG_4F9mvYAOiqfzqnbVRUfuPZE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kirsten Dingle (not verified)</span> on 06 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844586">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844587" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1429106283"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A family member's friend contracted Rubella (German Measles) during her pregnancy, and since she was never vaccinated against any disease, she became severely ill. Unfortunately, as is well-known with this disease during pregnancy, her baby was born with deafness, a birth defect.</p> <p>Not only do you put yourself at risk when the choice is made not to get vaccinated, but the effects it can have on others can be drastic. I think people should be fully aware and informed about the consequences of not being vaccinated and make their decision accordingly.</p> <p>I can understand that some people believe that if their ancestors were well off without vaccinations, they will be as well. But one thing that should be kept in mind is that along with medicine, micro-bodies have progressed too, and what might have worked 50 years ago might not work today.</p> <p>u15054552</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844587&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aIuqe274ycsG7qevwNWANQ0Jhl3StI7KTXUz5NVtUFA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lisa vD (not verified)</span> on 15 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844587">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844588" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1429286521"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Measles are extremely dangerous, and most people are uneducated on the importance of preventing it. Another way that can have a positive impact on the community is to send teams to the schools all around the country to promote vaccinations of children at an early age, as well as information on why it is so important to do so.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844588&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="j2eZKUEAV6kce-tL1tkWrpSxj7U0Qqwg8MBQis2KKPA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mia (15127444) (not verified)</span> on 17 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844588">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2015/01/15/why-quarantine-for-measles-is-critical-and-quarantine-for-ebola-was-not%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:06:07 +0000 tsmith 58133 at https://scienceblogs.com Mike Adams and NY Post promote more hysteria over Ebola https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/11/01/mike-adams-and-ny-post-promote-more-hysteria-over-ebola <span>Mike Adams and NY Post promote more hysteria over Ebola</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been asked several times about this <a href="http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/" target="_blank">NY Post article</a> on the CDC's "admission" that a sneeze could spread Ebola. The Post (which, I should note, is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post" target="_blank">least credible newspaper in New York City</a>, for those not familiar with the paper) suggests that the CDC has changed their tune regarding the spread of Ebola.</p> <p>Except, they haven't, and this is a ridiculous, trumped-up non-story, passed along not only by the Post but by others of the typical suspects like conspiracy theorist extraordinaire Mike Adams, aka "The Health Ranger" of Natural News.</p> <p>Here's what the NY Post claims:</p> <blockquote><p>“Droplet spread happens when germs traveling inside droplets that are coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose or mouth of another person,” the poster states.</p> <p>Nass slammed the contradiction.</p> <p>“The CDC said it doesn’t spread at all by air, then Friday they came out with this poster,” she said. “They admit that these particles or droplets may land on objects such as doorknobs and that Ebola can be transmitted that way.”</p></blockquote> <p>Of course, no poster is linked in their article, so I feel like I'm playing a game of telephone, trying to figure out just what has been added.</p> <p>The NY Post article is basically messing up the definition of "airborne," <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/08/03/are-we-sure-ebola-isnt-airborne/" target="_blank">as I</a> <a href="http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/ebola-virus-may-be-spread-by-droplets.html" target="_blank">and others</a> <a href="http://www.pathogenperspectives.com/2014/08/debunking-airborne-ebola-what-you-need.html" target="_blank">have discussed </a>ad nauseum. The kind of contact the NY Post describes above isn't "airborne," as measles or chickenpox are, where one can come into a space that had been occupied by an infected person, breathe in the suspended virus, and get ill. With Ebola, you have to have *direct contact* with a person's secretions. So their entire story (not surprisingly, due to their tabloid-y nature) is based on either a purposeful or accidental incorrect definition of just what it means to be "airborne."</p> <p>Adams takes it one step further, suggesting that CDC not only misinformed, but revised history; that a poster was  <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/cbqg" target="_blank">"scrubbed" from CDC's site</a> because it supported "airborne" transmission.</p> <p>From what I can tell, Adams claims <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/cbqh" target="_blank">this poster </a>(which he saved) was removed from the CDC site, and replaced by <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf" target="_blank">this file</a>. Adams claims that the latter is "entirely empty," so he may have tried the link before it went live? I have no idea. In any case, the two documents are almost identical in content. Both note that droplet spread can happen, when "germs traveling inside droplets that are coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose, or mouth of another person" in the first poster, and "droplets that are coughed or sneezed from a sick person splash the eyes, nose, or mouth of another person" in the second poster.</p> <p>Wow, that's a sinister difference there.</p> <p>You can see that both documents still show a picture of doorknobs as possible fomites for transmission (possible in theory, but they'd have to be heavily contaminated by a person late in the disease). It appears that CDC just did a minor redesign of the poster, with the first having an emphasis just on Ebola and the second version trying to be more of an explainer on "air vs. droplet spread," with Ebola as the example. The content is almost exactly the same: the first portion defines "airborne" spread; the second "droplet" spread; the third focuses on how one protects oneself from getting sick; and the final one clarifies that Ebola is not spread by air, but it could be by droplets. There are minor wording changes as I noted above, but that's it.</p> <p>This is nothing new. There's never been a conspiracy to suggest that droplet transmission can't happen--but the CDC and others have tried to emphasize that droplet transmission <strong>is still direct contact</strong>. That's what people like Adams don't want to accept. They assume because those droplets travel via air, it's "airborne," taking a layman term instead of one accepted and used by the scientific community. Now, given, I understand this can be a source of confusion as scientific terms frequently are. Virologist Ian Mackay has even <a href="http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/10/what-words-would-you-use-to-separate.html" target="_blank">solicited ideas for other terms to describe such transmission</a>, and make it more clear to the general public what the difference is. But either way, the usage has been clear from the beginning and I guarantee Adams understands the difference. He just doesn't care.</p> <p>And now I just spent a half hour of my life to uncover that vast governmental conspiracy-that-wasn't. Not that it will stop Adams or the NY Post from misinforming and driving fear of the virus and distrust of the government, because *that's what they do.* Adams is making a pretty penny, I'm sure, off of his absurd <a href="http://store.naturalnews.com/search.asp?keyword=ebola&amp;search.x=0&amp;search.y=0" target="_blank">Pandemic Prevention kits</a> (only $99 or $199! Bargain!). Perhaps I should get into a different and more lucrative business, because if you believe shtick from Adams or the Post over the CDC or, hey, a trained epidemiologist like myself, I just may have a shiny bridge to sell you.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Sat, 11/01/2014 - 00:51</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/conspiracy" hreflang="en">Conspiracy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mike-adams" hreflang="en">Mike Adams</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/new-york-post" hreflang="en">New York Post</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/scams" hreflang="en">scams</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/transmission" hreflang="en">transmission</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/virus" hreflang="en">virus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844567" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414833660"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What to do about Mike Adams:</p> <p>Dare him to go into the Ebola hot zone and care for patients, using only what's in his little "kit" for his own "protection."</p> <p>Do it publicly enough that he has to respond or he'll be seen as ducking the question. </p> <p>After all, if it ducks like a quack, it's a quack.</p> <p>BTW, keep up the good work, Tara, I read your posts often and it's good to find some sane voices in this era of mass insanity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844567&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0d2qc21m6RunrmTd2ABWx-01dtk5HiZmKHMNZ-48mYo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 01 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844567">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844568" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414871578"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been trying to think deranged response from people through. One thought is I think most people think of Ebola as some sort of 'super flu' when it's not. Because the only slightly serious illness they have any familiarity are colds and flu.</p> <p>So they conflate all the issues and symptoms of the flu with Ebola. Which is wrong of course. But try and break peoples conditioning.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844568&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AzMVdlPWOU8m4Rsn7i64vfoEYxRAExIEdEl1xraHohM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gibbon1 (not verified)</span> on 01 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844568">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844569" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414880213"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There are quite a lot of ways that aerosols can be generated. And I believe it's accepted that breathing in an aerosol of Ebola is dangerous. So what's really being argued over, here? It's not like anyone absolutely knows what the mode of transmission of every single Ebola case was, and thus can say with absolute certainty that nobody ever got it from an aerosol.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844569&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="O1yDgzQGmj7gG7cbBxulpv6i7jLfbOr1iLvbd0GV9jw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Norman Yarvin (not verified)</span> on 01 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844569">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844570" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414941470"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A link to the New York Post story has also been disseminated in a GOP Insider Brief. Perhaps they will post a link to this column in the future, but I doubt it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844570&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tmnjKFiJ4RQxl3R1rVRAsZv6LKQnC1T3uhIph9FEL2U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Fred Collins (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844570">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844571" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414941579"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Excellent post Tara. I thought the same thing as Adams and others in media continue to confuse the public on Ebola transmission. Great clarification.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844571&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="U-TIJQQkvVbJ-RbBwjR4ZTebKkt4yLrrc1ekWlmqqUA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Robert Herriman (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844571">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844572" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414987488"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Unfortunately dailymail has the original poster also. At a glance it looks like just speaking to somebody could transmit it. If you read it (most monkey's wouldn't) it clarifies with a distance of 3ft. What it didn't do was emphasize size of the droplets.</p> <p>I pass my condolences to yourself and the entire community. For the rest of your lives you will have to deal with the fallout of Ebola '14 truthers....9/11 truthers were getting too old for that stuff anyway. <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815487/CDC-pulls-poster-website-explaining-Ebola-spread-contaminated-droplets.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815487/CDC-pulls-poster-websit…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844572&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nQi86ciLy5CzmuN4awfmbKg-3J8kwTbyj3GNeYSMUG0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ren (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844572">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844573" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415000751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I noticed that the kit doesn't have any woo products in it... I'm a bit disappointed! No magic amulets?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844573&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bEYjzUe-qQpnz4bOtWf6iV70gjpAjvGT5hr3nntbpLQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dimitrios (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844573">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844574" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415019248"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I feel like fomite transmission is stretching the boundary of "direct contact." Suppose that it's possible to pick it up by opening a door that a sick person with imperfectly washed hands opened half an hour ago, then eating something or rubbing your eyes like we all do every other minute. When they started looking for that person's "contacts" to warn them of possible exposure, you would say "I didn't even see him on that day, much less get close to him, so I'm not a contact." The saving grace here is that by the time you're shedding enough virus to make that remotely plausible, you're too sick to go to work.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844574&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1i7niyPMmnBEoae8RiNZdWb7cyWJE1nYeNRqpz84CBQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jane (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844574">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844575" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415041912"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>You can see that both documents still show a picture of doorknobs as possible fomites for transmission (possible in theory, but they’d have to be heavily contaminated by a person late in the disease).</p></blockquote> <p>The only data point that I'm aware of is <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2227740/">a few days</a> for Marburg in dried blood (Table 5).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844575&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3hcfB8N0QLKGKqu23nTPQYorc0wFWjlAoJRWptACLCE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844575">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844576" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415071271"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The Bausch paper is often cited regarding fomites (<a href="http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full">http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full</a>) but even in that they were able to find much more virus via PCR than culture (so it was there, but likely dead). And Jane, we're not talking "imperfectly washed hands" here--as the Bausch paper noted, *no* environmental samples were culture-positive, and even the PCR-positive ones were "visibly colored by blood." The CDC is being generous here regarding fomite transmission, IMO.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844576&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uhlSOO3y9SL5erUD2B3TT5CGwKBF9LIUm-Zt-2TDwk8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 03 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844576">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844577" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415375964"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Frightening. </p> <p>And since I sell the kind of stuff emergency services and healthcare workers use to protect themselves against Ebola, I can add one more stone around Mr Adam's neck: his kit, apart from being vastly overpriced, would give illusory protection. The Tyvek suits are not appropriate to protect against Ebola in a patient actively producing infected bodily fluid. Carefully left out of the description of the coverall is the last sentence, that says that it is appropriate for "light spills of nonhazardous fluids". </p> <p>He cannot have not seen it, because the rest of his description is the standard description for the product as written by the manufacturer.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844577&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9qm8rnwiJeTcmYVt9v0wM5UDlhU2bI2KNpluxbYvSn4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Healthcare product seller">Healthcare pro… (not verified)</span> on 07 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844577">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844578" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1420634007"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara, a wonderful voice of reason in forest of hype, thank you. You do us great service and your patience (in these threads) appears limitless.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844578&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Uon9U83mYytbantj5vTTcQv0CwI4GKVmnwONECnwSsg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cahuenga (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844578">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2014/11/01/mike-adams-and-ny-post-promote-more-hysteria-over-ebola%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sat, 01 Nov 2014 04:51:55 +0000 tsmith 58132 at https://scienceblogs.com Granny's mean pot of bushmeat stew https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/10/27/grannysmeanpotof <span>Granny&#039;s mean pot of bushmeat stew</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><div style="width: 310px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/aetiology/files/2014/10/Grannies.jpg"><img class="wp-image-2491 size-medium" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2014/10/Grannies-300x191.jpg" alt="Grannies" width="300" height="191" /></a> Left to right, Granny Beck, my Grandma June, and Great-Great Grandma Bertha, circa 1961. Who knows what was on the menu that day. </div> <p>My Great-Grandpa and Granny Beck were, in some ways, ahead of their time. My Grandpa’s mom and step-dad, they both went through scandalous divorces and then switched partners with another couple, Granny Orpha marrying Wade and my Grandpa’s dad Lee marrying Wade’s ex-wife, Edna. Orpha and Wade raised 5 of Orpha’s boys together, and had a daughter after the divorce/remarriage.</p> <p>By the time I was born, my Granny Beck was in her 80s, and I have only vague recollections of going over to visit her at her home. But I remember hearing about her cooking. I was a picky eater anyway, and my mom once told me she was always afraid to eat Granny Beck’s stew, because it could be rabbit, it could be 'possum, it could be squirrel, it could be groundhog...you just never knew. I never ate anything over there.</p> <p>Grandpa Beck used to have coon dogs, and would bring home anything that the dogs would catch. My great-aunt affirmed my mom’s recollection of Granny Beck’s cooking (and Grandpa Beck’s eating):</p> <blockquote><p>My mom did cook some pretty weird things. We always had wild game such as rabbit and pheasant, but I do remember when she cooked a raccoon (I didn't try it!). My dad was the one that would eat anything, and I do mean anything! We used to bring him such things as chocolate covered ants, pickled pigs feet, and pickled rooster combs. He loved them!</p></blockquote> <p>Over the weekend, my neighbor sent along some meat packages for us. He had recently gotten back from another hunt and bagged his third deer of the season (you’re allowed four per year in my county). He was grilling when my partner stopped over on the way home, and sent some ground deer (I think--I've not opened the package yet), deer steaks, and a still-warm hunk of a deer heart, well done.</p> <div style="width: 310px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/aetiology/files/2014/10/Deer-assortment.jpg"><img class="wp-image-2493 size-medium" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2014/10/Deer-assortment-300x168.jpg" alt="Deer assortment" width="300" height="168" /></a> Various deer parts brought over by my neighbor this weekend. </div> <p> </p> <p>All of this is to say that we can eat some really weird things here in the “civilized,” first-world, developed United States.</p> <p>Why bring this up now? The current Ebola outbreak has brought out all kinds of biased to outright racist views of Africa and disease. Because it’s postulated that the outbreak started with the <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/23/ebola-outbreak-blamed-on-fruit-bats-africa" target="_blank">consumption of or contact with an infected animal</a>—possibly a fruit bat, which the <a href="http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news-stories/voice-field/struggling-contain-ebola-epidemic-west-africa" target="_blank">index family noted they do hunt</a>—people have come out of the woodwork to pontificate on how those in Guinea and other countries “brought this on themselves” <a href="https://twitter.com/epberg/status/525756611164667904" target="_blank">because of their consumption of “bushmeat,”</a> and that they’re so uneducated and backwards to eat that in the first place--because really, how could people <strong>eat</strong> that stuff, especially when it could be diseased?</p> <p>Prominent magazines run pictures of <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/framed?527130" target="_blank">butchered meat and primates</a> with headlines that are intended to scare and <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/08/25/othering-ebola-and-the-history-and-politics-of-pointing-at-immigrants-as-potential-disease-vectors/" target="_blank">"other."</a></p> <p>People<a href="http://www.libertynews.com/2014/10/w-africas-ebola-outbreak-traced-to-child-zero-whose-family-hunted-bats-carrying-the-deady-virus/" target="_blank"> judge harshly</a>, partly because of bush meat consumption:</p> <blockquote><p>"Is it time that we drag ignorant, superstitious third world Africans kicking and screaming into the 21st century or should we stop giving aid to Africa and let them fend for themselves? Would the later propel the former?"</p></blockquote> <p>Even though we do the same. damn. thing. in the United States.</p> <p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2006/03/29/emerging-infections-and-zoonos/" target="_blank">"Bushmeat"</a> is the name given to pretty much any kind of wild game hunted in Africa--bats (obviously a concern given their possible role in Ebola spread and maintenance of the virus); primates; birds, duikers, lizards, crocodile, various rodents, even elephant, and more.</p> <p>What do we call "bushmeat" in the US? Or just about everywhere else?</p> <p>Just "wild game," or some variation thereof.</p> <p>In the U.S., we hunt thousands of deer, elk, pheasant, turkey, rabbit, and other animals every year. There are even <a href="http://www.thedailymeal.com/10-best-game-restaurants-america" target="_blank">wild game restaurants</a> that cater to those tastes (though many "wild game" species are actually farmed to some degree). Yet even the <a href="http://www.fws.gov/international/wildlife-without-borders/global-program/bushmeat.html" target="_blank">bushmeat page</a> at United States’ Fish and Wildlife Service ignores the hunting that goes on in the United States, noting that:</p> <blockquote><p>Here in the United States, we have laws that control the preparation, consumption, and trade of meat, ensuring that animals are treated appropriately, kept healthy, and sold legally. This is not the case in some countries in Africa and other parts of the world.</p></blockquote> <p>This seems to refer mostly to domestically-raised meats, as it’s much harder to police the treatment, health, and sale of hunted animals. Though one needs a license to hunt many animals and generally to fish, laws vary from state to state. Here in Ohio, though a <a href="http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/hunting-trapping-and-shooting-sports/hunting-trapping-regulations/licenses-and-permits" target="_blank">hunting license or permit </a>needs to be obtained for most types of hunting or trapping, and there may be limits on the number of animals of certain species one can kill per season (such as deer and turkey), for most animals, there’s merely a daily limit (6 squirrels, 4 rabbits, etc. per day). For other animals, including fox, raccoon, skunk, opossum, weasel, crow, groundhog, and coyote, there is no daily bag limit. So one could, conceivably, feed themselves fairly well on just a diet of wild game if they had the time and inclination to do so.</p> <p>Of course, most people in the U.S. don’t get our food this way. We look at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Dixon" target="_blank">Daryl Dixon</a> of the Walking Dead and his squirrel-hunting prowess as something that could carry one through the zombie apocalypse, but not school lunches for a family of 4. We think it’s awesome when he finds an opossum in a cupboard and proclaims, “Dinner!” I’m sure many readers have plans for their own apocalypse survival plan, which likely involve some kind of wild source for food.</p> <p>But in modern-day Africa, such hunting is somehow “barbaric” and “backward,” regardless of whether it is for sustenance or trade.</p> <p>Though Ebola has not been identified in wild animals in the US, our animals are far from disease-free. No wild (or domesticated) animal is. We certainly can find Tularemia and <em>Pasturella</em> in rabbits; deer can carry tuberculosis, <em>Brucella</em>, Hepatitis E, and maintain transmission of Lyme disease and potentially <em>Erlichia.</em> Other zoonotic pathogens that could be acquired from a variety of wild animals include <em>Campylobacter</em>, <a href="http://mikethemadbiologist.com/2014/10/14/american-bushmeat/"><em>E. coli</em></a>, plague (mainly in the Southwestern United States); <em>Cryptosporidia</em>, <em>Giardia</em>, avian influenza from waterfowl, rabies (more likely from handling than ingestion); hantavirus, <em>Trichinella</em>, <em>Leptospira</em>, <em>Salmonella</em>, <em>Histoplasma</em>, and I’m sure many more from handling or consumption of wild animals.</p> <p>Finally, while people malign "bushmeat" hunters in Africa, let's not forget that almost any source of food can be contaminated with potential pathogens. Even in the United States, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/index.html" target="_blank">1 in 6 Americans (48 million people) get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases</a>. Every year. And that's with our "high standards" for animal husbandry and processing.</p> <p>So perhaps rather than looking to countries in Africa and judging their food consumption habits as they relate to infection, we should turn a mirror to our own. If we don't judge Granny Beck for her wild game consumption, neither should we judge those a continent away.</p> <p><strong>Additional readings</strong></p> <p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/08/25/othering-ebola-and-the-history-and-politics-of-pointing-at-immigrants-as-potential-disease-vectors/" target="_blank">The long and ugly tradition of treating Africa as a dirty, diseased place</a></p> <p><a href="http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/urban-scientist/2014/10/27/if-you-cant-be-a-good-example-be-a-warning-how-ecointernets-scicomm-fail-can-make-you-a-more-culturally-aware-science-communicator/" target="_blank">If you can’t be a good example, be a warning. How EcoInternet’s #Scicomm #Fail can make you a more culturally aware science communicator</a></p> <p><a href="http://mikethemadbiologist.com/2014/10/14/american-bushmeat/" target="_blank"> American Bushmeat </a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Mon, 10/27/2014 - 15:33</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/historical-studies-disease" hreflang="en">Historical studies of disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bushmeat" hreflang="en">bushmeat</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/disease" hreflang="en">disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hunting" hreflang="en">hunting</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infection" hreflang="en">infection</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/united-states" hreflang="en">united states</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wild-game" hreflang="en">wild game</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-0" hreflang="en">ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/life-sciences" hreflang="en">Life Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844549" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414440750"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I grew up on our family ranch in the Texas Hill Country. I can remember, before the drought of the '50s, mother taking the 22 and coming back with a couple of squirrels for lunch. Needless to say, we hunted and ate a certain amount of wild meat.</p> <p>My one racoon story happened in Belize. We were going fish collecting with an expatriate from Illinois. He invited us to lunch before we took off. He had shot a racoon. He cleaned and dressed it before he gave it to his native cook. He told her it was a monkey, because he knew she would not cook a racoon. It was pretty good.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844549&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UhhIHMLezLmH_gI07wMmsw5KGC7Oc5XWjt86zutBizs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim Thomerson (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844549">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844550" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414448977"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My mom never seems exactly *happy* about her childhood, but she certainly does seem just a bit proud that she went hunting with her dad, during the depression, and stretching the food budget with squirrels and rabbits. This was northern Ohio, in a relatively well-to-do community, but during relatively belt-tightening times. </p> <p>With *us*, doing what you need to do is a virtue. With *them*, it's a sign of depravity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844550&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HxK8sFYa2uFQ35fis63BRj5GyZhbHQMF6mIC90EzorM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cuttlefish (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844550">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844551" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414453548"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"But in modern-day Africa, such hunting is somehow “barbaric” and “backward,” regardless of whether it is for sustenance or trade."</p> <p>Oh no. It's not seen as at all backward and "other" to eat possum and roadkill in the US. People are not mocked for this at all. Thanks for the laugh.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844551&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MFq5Na-ZG4Zyp7YAoxOZlSsthWsWdvZ-0LEtsHszD68"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Isabel (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844551">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844552" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414458352"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've never heard it referred to as savage or barbaric here. (Well, maybe by animal rights groups, but they say that about any animal meat). Redneck sure, hence Daryl, but even that is lauded. And they're laughing all the way to the bank as hunters on Duck Dynasty and Honey Boo Boo make more in 15 minutes then I do in a year.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844552&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lh5ple7Tf7i1hRwP60qrE8MgBO5ryhUb1IVeB9ms294"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 27 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844552">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844553" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414466653"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My philosophy of eating: eat everything, because some of it may be good for you this week. I grew up poor, eating liver, tongue, pork brains, kidney stew. My dad raised rabbits and fished, turtled, and frogged. All tasty eating. We are the world's top-of-the-food-chain omnivore. Eat it! Eat it all!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844553&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Kq5FKGkfl2cWTKpXqsXH-WXao21v4BZtqAy5qZC1O6s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Heinz (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844553">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844554" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414466681"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My great-grandfather was a renowned squirrel hunter; my grandfather hunted deer and rabbit; we fished; one of my step-grandmothers crabbed and gigged frogs. We eat venison , have hunted and eaten rabbits and jackrabbits, and (so much for there being safeguards) like anyone who raises livestock, we are free to slaughter and process our own, for our own consumption. And have, with both sheep and cattle. I grew up respecting meat hunters with a bit of contempt for trophy hunters who would leave a deer carcass lying by the roadside, having cut off the head to be mounted.</p> <p> I, too, have found the sneering at Africans for eating "bushmeat" offensive, especially since some of the sneerers probably have some fancy "hunting" gear in a closet that cost enough to keep an African family fed for year. For that matter, we have animals diseases to worry about too---chronic wasting disease in US deer (mostly in the west/southwest) is a prion disease like bovine spongiform encephalitis--not something anyone wants.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844554&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KSSE6LgDagskFtZRA7F8GEe_btjSadIfL6ORNRxM0GA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Elizabeth Moon (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844554">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844555" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414472631"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When I was living in the woods working on a forest ecology project, I would often go out and shoot a couple of squirrels for dinner after work. If I lived in Africa, I'd probably go out and shoot a few bats. A mammal's a mammal, and they're all varying degrees of edible.</p> <p>Also, raccoon is actually pretty good -- it tastes uncannily like dark-meat turkey, but you have to boil it all day or else it's too tough to eat. Most people are probably about as likely to want to eat a raccoon as a bat. However, you're right, that when I tell people that I hunt raccoons, they say "hey, that's pretty neat" instead of "that's irresponsible and gross, think of the disease outbreaks you're going to cause."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844555&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JyrZUiWQsrxz6EvJuOp-759WzpWHJMMemBTztKcVAPQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sam (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844555">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844556" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414497453"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sam, good to know about raccoons. They're ridiculously easy to trap (we had to do so to keep them away from our garbage) so if the apocalypse strikes, I'll boil away. Elizabeth, I thought about mentioning CWD but as far as I've seen, there's not conclusive proof it is/can(?) affect humans. We just had reports of it in Ohio deer as well--definitely something to keep on the radar.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844556&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RVX6Dc_bcRLqalzQo-7_g9D-8G_IvWm0jSbW5uGjz0g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844556">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844557" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414499580"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Honestly, I've never really encountered this idea or bushmeat as somehow savage in of itself; it's criticized overwhelmingly not because it's "yucky" but because it tends to be environmentally destructive and a major threat to important species, as well as the above-mentioned health issues.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844557&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qPdELX2P48p5mmTX5nsSZ-60luwy9WnFtIkVb_NHfIc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andrew Carter (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844557">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844558" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414499855"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Your timing is prescient - i just had this thought about 3 days ago about this exact double standard of nomenclature and attitudes.</p> <p>I am yet another eccentric data point who grew up in bushmeat country - the Upper Peninsula of Michigan during the 70s and 80s, when unemployment hovered around 20 %. My single mom on a teacher's salary was one of the fortunate ones, plus we qualified for green stamps, but trading lunches with my friends i could tell how many were being fed squirrel, raccoon, rabbit, grouse, pheasant, etc. Of course, nowhere near when the accepted season was. Another tough choice: risk a poaching conviction, or let your child go hungry?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844558&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ElyLVk0chmKT1bgg-TavLihowu-qrWcwn0NJH5jdNjQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Double Shelix (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844558">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844559" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414514089"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>really, rednecks are "lauded"? LOL. By academics? By whom? Please clue me in. the most mocked population by Hollywood. Maybe you would make more progress if you attacked how poor are treated here at the same time instead of fantasizing that they are treated respectfully because they are white or American. How about eating roadkill? Still nutritious. Maybe we need a nicer expression for that. How many people of poor backgrounds would bring up the topic of squirrel and possum eating during a business lunch, say an interview?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844559&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2IqBtUqnEXnk50L6xtvWIkq3RMWj5_MgcDOatg8MfU4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Isabel (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844559">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844560" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414523358"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" I, too, have found the sneering at Africans for eating “bushmeat” offensive," yet with your background you don't find academics and screenwriters sneering at people who eat possum and roadkill here offensive? Somehow because some people make money starring in (widely mocked) reality shows equals respect and admiration??? Um, no that's not how it works.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844560&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wDbVI-xz4FGTlBMsEuS6-SgfnFhWkiZXMqoiK3SFSbM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Isabel (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844560">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844561" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414532340"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm from Louisiana. 'Gator meat is actually quite popular here and most restaurants offer either 'gator sausage or fried 'gator nuggets. Most of it is farm-raised, and our Wildlife and Fisheries operates one of the big farms. Then there are tales of people eating nutria, armadillos and wild boar. I've eaten plenty of 'gator, but not the others.</p> <p>Armadillos can carry Mycobacterium leprae-- leprosy!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844561&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZqTn4OlpeZDt3l6WKRUn0vDRiF9DdDf5L-cbWOeTcmo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sara (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844561">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844562" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414546458"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Don't forget <a href="ftp://ftp.soest.hawaii.edu/bidigare/Outgoing/Berger%2520and%2520Weisman(s)%25201997.pdf">CJD and burgoo</a> (PDF). Mmm, squirrel.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844562&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Aqi5TbHdpAEXNmFFXhZT571v_Xdq_qhpS1kPrjT_d4Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844562">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844563" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414612592"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was about to mention that you can get CJD from squirrel brains, but you beat me to it. I hadn't heard of burgoo being the name for that kind of stew before—to me it refers to royal navy porridge.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844563&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nyAwKCYYWXQF4tsrd6sY426l3Dfea0ZoBTYNLshMgQA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lancelot Gobbo (not verified)</span> on 29 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844563">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844564" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414916543"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Echoing Andrew Carter: I think the issues is sustainable hunting . When hunting becomes excessive, people are pressured to hunt species already threatened. At the root, it's human overpopulation and the rapid expansion of human environmental footprint that puts species at risk -- on all continents. I am not disgusted by "bushmeat" -- I am disgusted when endangered species, like chimps and gorillas wind up killed and their dried hands used as ashtrays.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844564&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6s8as2TuLg-_mZpegO6D33t9-b71y-tphUKE8877hGQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dreamer (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844564">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844565" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415363893"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Not to spread more disease hype, but I recall a recent Nature show on PBS about racoons, where they mentioned that the eggs of a tapeworm that is endemic to racoons can be particalized in places where their feces dry, like attics and sheds, and that humans are a suitable host. So perhaps they taste good, but do be careful to cook them thoroughly!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844565&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7blrOaFXWnLh014sp216QAW0TDU8S5Mw7KbRTPVlpLY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gordon Burgess (not verified)</span> on 07 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844565">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844566" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1427741849"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As my stepfather is a doctor who currently works in Sierra Leone, I have gained some knowledge about the Ebola virus and how much adversity it has caused. I believe that uneducated people and not barbaric people are one of the main reasons for the spread of the virus. Doctors and specialists have warned people about the consumption of wild meat numerous times but most citizens of African countries have chosen not to listen. This has led to other countries referring to these citizens suffering under the ebola outbreak as being barbaric, mainly because of their arrogance towards warnings which could lead to the spread of the virus to countries like the US. It is thus quite understandable that individuals are feeling the heat and thus using expressive language to criticize and get their point across. I do, however, agree that it is in no way fair that US citizens don't receive any criticism about the consumption of wild meat whilst African citizens are called barbarians when they consume wild meat.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844566&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QsswUASx1TrWq65qKP3dZLY_q0KrZ8fayblEd05iqGk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">A Richter (not verified)</span> on 30 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12688/feed#comment-1844566">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2014/10/27/grannysmeanpotof%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:33:24 +0000 tsmith 58131 at https://scienceblogs.com