staphylococcus aureus https://scienceblogs.com/ en Antibiotic resistance: myths and misunderstandings https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/09/10/antibiotic-resistance-myths-and-misunderstandings <span>Antibiotic resistance: myths and misunderstandings</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><div style="width: 310px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/aetiology/files/2015/09/DSCN2864.jpg"><img class="wp-image-2509 size-medium" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2015/09/DSCN2864-300x225.jpg" alt="DSCN2864" width="300" height="225" /></a> A pig flying at the Minnesota state fair. Picture by TCS. </div> <p>I've been involved in a few discussions of late on science-based sites around yon web on antibiotic resistance and agriculture--specifically, the campaign to get fast food giant Subway to <a href="http://www.pressherald.com/2015/09/08/letter-to-the-editor-subway-needs-to-pressure-suppliers-to-drop-antibiotics/" target="_blank">stop using meat raised on antibiotics</a>, and <a href="http://findourcommonground.com//wp-content/uploads/47624_CG_antibiotics_Infographic_HiRes-573.jpg" target="_blank">a graphic</a> by CommonGround using Animal Health Institute data, suggesting that agricultural animals aren't an important source of resistant bacteria. Discussing these topics has shown me there's a lot of misunderstanding of issues in antibiotic resistance, even among those who consider themselves pretty science-savvy.</p> <p>I think this is partly an issue of, perhaps, hating to agree with one's "enemy." Vani Hari, the "Food Babe," recently also plugged the <a href="http://foodbabe.com/subwaymeat/" target="_blank">Subway campaign</a>, perhaps making skeptics now skeptical of the issue of antibiotics and agriculture? Believe me, I am the farthest thing from a "Food Babe" fan and have criticized her many times on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/taracsmithphd" target="_blank">my Facebook page</a>, but unlike her ill-advised and unscientific campaigns against things like fake <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/bckg" target="_blank">pumpkin flavoring in coffee</a> or <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/dYY" target="_blank">"yoga mat" chemicals</a> in Subway bread, this is one issue that actually has scientific support--stopped clocks and all that. Nevertheless, I think some people get bogged down in a lot of exaggeration or misinformation on the topic.</p> <p>So, some thoughts. Please note that in many cases, my comments will be an over-simplification of a more complex problem, but I'll try to include nuance when I can (without completely clouding the issue).</p> <p><strong>First--why is antibiotic resistance an issue?</strong></p> <p>Since the development of penicillin, we have been in an ongoing "war" with the bacteria that make us ill. Almost as quickly as antibiotics are used, bacteria are capable of developing or acquiring resistance to them. These resistance genes are often present on transmissible pieces of DNA--plasmids, transposons, phage--which allow them to move between bacterial cells, even those of completely different species, and spread that resistance. So, once it emerges, resistance is very difficult to keep under control. As such, much better to work to prevent this emergence, and to provide conditions where resistant bacteria don't encounter selection pressures to maintain resistance genes (1).</p> <p>In our 75-ish years of using antibiotics to treat infections, we've increasingly found ourselves losing this war. As bacterial species have evolved resistance to our drugs, we keep coming back with either brand-new drugs in different classes of antibiotics, or we've made slight tweaks to existing drugs so that they can escape the mechanisms bacteria use to get around them. And they're killing us. <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/threat-report-2013/" target="_blank">In the US alone</a>, antibiotic-resistant infections cause about 2 million infections per year, and about 23,000 deaths due to these infections--plus tens of thousands of additional deaths from diseases that are complicated by antibiotic-resistant infections. They cost <a href="http://www.idsociety.org/AR_Facts/" target="_blank">at least $20 billion per year</a>.</p> <p>But we're <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/1/1.full" target="_blank">running out of these drugs</a>. And where do the vast majority come from in any case? Other microbes--fungi, other bacterial species--so in some cases, that means there are also pre-existing resistance mechanisms to even new drugs, just waiting to spread. It's so bad right now that even the WHO has sounded the alarm, warning of the potential for a "<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/who-warns-against-post-antibiotic-era-1.15135" target="_blank">post-antibiotic era</a>."</p> <p>This is some serious shit.</p> <p><strong>Where does resistance come from?</strong></p> <p>Resistant bacteria can be bred anytime an antibiotic is used. As such, researchers in the field tend to focus on two large areas: use of antibiotics in human medicine, and in animal husbandry. Human medicine is probably pretty obvious: humans get drugs to treat infections in hospital and outpatient settings, and in some cases, to protect against infection if a person is exposed to an organism--think of all the prophylactic doses of ciprofloxacin given out after the 2001 anthrax attacks, for example.</p> <p>In human medicine, there is still much debate about 1) the proper dosing of many types of antibiotics--what is the optimal length of time to take them to ensure a cure, but also reduce the chance of incubating resistant organisms? This is an active area of research; and 2) when it is proper to prescribe antibiotics, period. For instance, ear infections. These cause many sleepless nights for parents, a lot of time off work and school, and many trips to clinics to get checked out. But do all kids who have an ear infection need antibiotics? Probably not. A <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15930204" target="_blank">recent study</a> found that "watchful waiting" as an alternative to immediate prescription of antibiotics worked about as well as drug treatment for nonsevere ear infections in children--one data point among many that antibiotics are probably over-used in human medicine, and particularly for children. So this is one big area of interest and research (among many in human health) when it comes to trying to curb antibiotic use and employ the best practices of "judicious use" of antibiotics.</p> <p>Another big area of use is agriculture (2). Just as in humans, antibiotics in ag can be used for treatment of sick animals, which is completely justifiable and accepted--but there are many divergences as well. For one, animals are often treated as a herd--if a certain threshold of animals in a population become ill, all will be treated in order to prevent an even worse outbreak of disease in a herd. Two, antibiotics can be, and frequently are, used prophylactically, before any disease is present--for example, at times when the producer historically has seen disease outbreaks in the herd, such as when animals are moved from one place to another (moving baby pigs from a nursery facility to a grower farm, as one example). Third, they can be used for growth promotion purposes--to make animals fatten up to market weight more quickly.  The latter is, by far, the most contentious use, and the "low hanging fruit" that is often targeted for elimination.</p> <p>From practically the beginning of this practice, there were people who spoke out against it, suggesting it was a bad idea, and that the use of these antibiotics in agriculture could lead to resistance which could affect human health. A <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/772441" target="_blank">pair of</a> <a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197609092951103" target="_blank">publications</a> by Stuart Levy <em>et al.</em> in 1976 demonstrated this was more than a theoretical concern, and that antibiotic-resistant <em>E. coli </em>were indeed generated on farms using antibiotics, and transferred to farmers working there. Since this time, literally thousands of publications on this topic have demonstrated the same thing, examining different exposures, antibiotics, and bacterial species. There's no doubt, scientifically, that use of antibiotics in agriculture causes the evolution and spread of resistance into human populations.</p> <p><strong>Why care about antibiotic use in agriculture?</strong></p> <p>A quick clarification that's a common point of confusion--I'm not discussing antibiotic *residues* in meat products as a result of antibiotic use in ag (see, for example, the infographic linked above). In theory, antibiotic residues should not be an issue, because all drugs have a withdrawal period that farmers are supposed to adhere to prior to sending animals off to slaughter. These guidelines were developed so that antibiotics will not show up in an animal's meat or milk. The real issue of concern for public health are the resistant bacteria, which *can* be transmitted via these routes.</p> <p>Agriculture comes up many times for a few reasons. First, because people have the potential to be exposed to antibiotic-resistant bacteria that originate on farms via food products that they eat or handle. Everybody eats, and even vegetarians aren't completely protected from antibiotic use on farms (I'll get into this below). So even if you're far removed from farmland, you may be exposed to bacteria incubating there via your turkey dinner or hamburger.</p> <p>Second, because the vast majority of antibiotic use, by weight, occurs on farms--and many of these are the very same antibiotics used in human medicine (penicillins, tetracyclines, macrolides). It's historically been very difficult to get good numbers on this use, so you may have seen numbers as high as <a href="http://www.nrdc.org/food/saving-antibiotics.asp" target="_blank">80% of all antibiotic use in the U.S. occurs on farms</a>. A better number is probably 70% (described <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/15/louise-slaughter/rep-louise-slaughter-says-80-antibiotics-are-fed-l/">here</a> by Politifact), which excludes a type of antibiotic called ionophores--these aren't used in human medicine (3). So a great deal of selection for resistance is taking place on farms, but has the potential to spread into households across the country--and almost certainly has. Recent studies have demonstrated also that resistant infections transmitted through food don't always stay in your gut--they can also cause serious <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/how-your-chicken-dinner-is-creating-a-drug-resistant-superbug/259700/" target="_blank">urinary tract infections</a> and even <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/06/07/cid.cis502.abstract" target="_blank">sepsis</a>. Studies <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1004564" target="_blank">from my lab and others</a> (4) examining <em>S. aureus </em>have identified livestock as a reservoir for various types of this bacterium--including methicillin-resistant subtypes.</p> <p><strong>How does antibiotic resistance spread?</strong></p> <p>In sum--in a lot of different ways. Resistant bacteria, and/or their resistance genes, can enter our environment--our water, our air, our homes via meat products, our schools via asymptomatic colonization of students and teachers--just about anywhere bacteria can go, resistance genes will tag along. <a href="http://www.kalliopimonoyios.com/" target="_blank">Kalliopi Monoyios</a> created this schematic for the above-mentioned paper I wrote earlier this year on livestock-associated <em>Staphyloccocus aureus</em> and its spread, but it really holds for just about any antibiotic-resistant bacterium out there:</p> <p><img class="aligncenter" src="http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article/figure/image?size=medium&amp;id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.ppat.1004564.g001" alt="" width="437" height="457" /></p> <p>And as I noted above, once it's out there, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle. And it can spread in such a multitude of different ways that it complicates tracking of these organisms, and makes it practically impossible to trace farm-origin bacteria back to their host animals. Instead, we have to rely on studies of meat, <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004258" target="_blank">farmers</a>, <a href="http://aem.asm.org/content/75/17/5714.abstract" target="_blank">water</a>, soil, <a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/article16839428.html" target="_blank">air</a>, and <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/674860?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents" target="_blank">people living near farms</a> in order to make connections back to these animals.</p> <p>And this is where even vegetarians aren't "safe" from these organisms. What happens to much of the manure generated on industrial farms? It's used as fertilizer on crops, bringing resistant bacteria and resistance genes along with it, as well as into our air when manure is aerosolized (as it is in some, but not all, crop applications) and into our soil and water--and as noted below, antibiotics themselves can also be used in horticulture as well.</p> <p><strong>So isn't something being done about this? Why are we bothering with this anymore?</strong></p> <p>Kind of, but it's not enough. Scientists and advocates have been trying to do something about this topic since at least 1969, when the UK's Swann report on the use of Antibiotics in Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Medicine was released. As noted <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3135024/" target="_blank">here</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>One of its recommendations was that the only antimicrobials that should be permitted as growth promotants in animals were those that were not depended on for therapy in humans or whose use was not likely to lead to resistance to antimicrobials that were important for treating humans.</p></blockquote> <p>And some <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/health/policy/fda-restricts-use-of-antibiotics-in-livestock.html?_r=0" target="_blank">baby steps</a> have been made previously, restricting use of some important types of antibiotics. More recently in the U.S., Federal Guidelines <a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/animalveterinary/guidancecomplianceenforcement/guidanceforindustry/ucm216936.pdf" target="_blank">209</a> and <a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalVeterinary/GuidanceComplianceEnforcement/GuidanceforIndustry/UCM299624.pdf" target="_blank">213</a> were adopted in order to reduce the use of what have been deemed "medically-important" antibiotics in the livestock industry. These are a good step forward, but truthfully are only baby steps. They apply only to the use of growth-promotant antibiotics (those for "production use" as noted in the documents), and not other uses including prophylaxis. There also is no mechanism for monitoring or policing individuals who may continue to use these in violation of the guidelines--they have "no teeth." As such, there's concern that use for growth promotion will merely be re-labeled as use for prophylaxis.</p> <p>Further, even now, we still have no data on the breakdown of antibiotic use in different species. We know over <a href="http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/CVMUpdates/ucm440585.htm" target="_blank">32 million pounds</a> were used in livestock in 2013, but with no clue how much of that was in pigs versus cattle, etc.</p> <p>We do know that animals can be raised using lower levels of antibiotics. The European Union has not allowed growth promotant antibiotics since 2006. You'll read different reports of how successful that has been (or not); <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/03/23/149221287/europes-mixed-record-on-animal-antibiotics" target="_blank">this NPR article</a> has a balanced review. What's pretty well agreed-upon is that, to make such a ban successful, you need good regulation and a change in farming practices. Neither of these will be in place in the U.S. when the new guidance mechanisms go into place next year--so will this really benefit public health? Uncertain. We need more.</p> <p>So this brings me back to Subway (and McDonald's, and Chipotle, and other giants that have pledged to reduce use of antibiotics in the animals they buy). Whatever large companies do, consumers are demonstrating that they hold cards to push this issue forward--much faster than the FDA has been able to do (remember, it took them 40 freaking years just to get these voluntary guidelines in place). Buying USDA-certified organic or meat labeled "raised without antibiotics" is no 100% guarantee that you'll have antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-free meat products, unfortunately, because contamination can be introduced during slaughter, packing, or handling--but in on-farm studies of animals, farmers, and farm environment, studies have typically found reduced levels of antibiotic-resistant bacteria on organic/antibiotic-free farms than their "conventional" counterparts (one example <a href="http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1003350/" target="_blank">here</a>, looking at farms that were transitioning to organic poultry farming).</p> <p>Nothing is perfect, and biology is messy. Sometimes reducing antibiotic use takes a long time to have an impact, because resistance genes aren't always quickly lost from a population even when the antibiotics have been removed. Sometimes a change may be seen in the bacteria animals are carrying, but it takes longer for human bacterial populations to change. No one is expecting miracles, or a move to more animals raised antibiotic-free to be a cure-all. And it's not possible to raise every animal as antibiotic-free in any case; sick animals need to be treated, and even on antibiotic-free farms, there is often some low level of antibiotic use for therapeutic purposes. (These treated animals are then supposed to be marked and cannot be sold as "antibiotic-free"). But reducing the levels of unnecessary antibiotics in animal husbandry, in conjunction with programs promoting judicious use of antibiotics in human health, is a necessary step. We've waited too long already to take it.</p> <p><strong>Footnotes</strong>:</p> <p>(1) Though we know that, in some cases, resistance genes can remain in a population even in the absence of direct selection pressures--or they may be on a cassette with other resistance genes, so by using any one of those selective agents, you're selecting for maintenance of the entire cassette.</p> <p>(2) I've chosen to focus on use in humans &amp; animal husbandry, but antibiotics are also used in companion animal veterinary medicine and even for aquaculture and horticulture (such as for prevention of disease in fruit trees). The use in these fields is considerably smaller than in human medicine and livestock, but these are also active areas of research and investigation.</p> <p>(3) This doesn't necessarily mean they don't lead to resistance, though. In theory, ionophores can act just like other antibiotics and co-select for resistance genes to other, human-use antibiotics, so their use may still contribute to the antibiotic resistance problem. Studies <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/677834#full_text_tab_contents" target="_blank">from my lab</a> and others have shown that the use of zinc, for instance--an antimicrobial metal used as a dietary supplement on some pig farms, can co-select for antibiotic resistance. In our case, for methicillin-resistant <em>S. aureus</em>.</p> <p>(4) See many more of my publications <a href="http://www.taracsmith.com/publications.html" target="_blank">here</a>, or a Nature profile about some of my work <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/mrsa-farming-up-trouble-1.13427" target="_blank">here</a>.</p> <p> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 09/10/2015 - 07:18</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ecology" hreflang="en">ecology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/agriculture" hreflang="en">agriculture</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotics" hreflang="en">antibiotics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/e-coli" hreflang="en">E. coli</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ecology" hreflang="en">ecology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/social-sciences" hreflang="en">Social Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844650" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441896415"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Really great blog. Thanks for you work and your communication on this issue. Nicely done!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844650&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1B8fqPyIIgFlSMSCnBV8Rdpf03Ohfj6PV_mL3XpergE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">C Cordova (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844650">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844651" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441900292"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fantastic article, Tara, and it should be widely read.</p> <p>What to do about Food Babe: "Food Babe's comments in support of reducing nonessential use of agricultural antibiotics are convergent with widely-accepted conclusions of mainstream science." The framing is: she agrees with us, not vice-versa. (And frankly if she can get a large flock of wooskis onboard for this, maybe some of them will stick around for more science. One can hope...)</p> <p>Consumer demand does have the potential to bring change ahead of government regulation. This is something in which we can all participate, by simply asking for antibiotic-free meat wherever we shop. Even folks on a poverty budget can afford this by buying a little less meat and substituting other foods. Shifting demand by even a few percentage points could be enough to start a competitive trend that results in major gains: by analogy consider the increase in recycled paper content of various kinds of household paper products over the years.</p> <p>Re. meat producers objecting to regulation: if all of them are held to the same regulatory standards, and the regs are enforced, then the playing field has not been tilted: it's been shifted equally for all. Thus their competitive situation does not change compared to what it is before the regulations are enacted. This is an effective counterpoint to their complaints. </p> <p>Eventually we'll have inexpensive "vat meat," that should hopefully put an end to a wide range of undesirable agricultural practices.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844651&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jJazibdey0JVMMe5GixxO4SGOJ4a1oESt6fUlnzmeag"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844651">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844652" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441931646"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is a great explainer, I'll be happy to push it along! A pity about the Food Babe and the Subway campaign; a good bet that, if Subway does what campaigners want, she'll claim she made it happen, just as she claimed she was responsible for the Chick-fil-A decision. (Not.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844652&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FpiSJWSqluUi2kviWDy9Zh8apSMXb6xjHTHeQf_AL7E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">maryn (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844652">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844653" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441931875"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>G, re regulation--that's a big "if" (several, in fact). I think a big reason the voluntary guidance documents got buy-in from industry was because they lack real enforcement, but at the same time allow for the companies to say "see, we're helping!" </p> <p>Maryn, thanks! And of course she will--it's all her "army" that do these things, right? Not the people who have been working on it behind the scenes with less fanfare for years before she ever came onto the scene...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844653&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_ikTjXDNL-XtKrEVryzCZVuDPwLc-XnvPYb5eNOmSrY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844653">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844654" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441942434"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara @ 4: Thanks; and clearly "voluntary guidance" has not worked, so it's time for all of us to pester our elected officials until they take decisive action. Agreed, "several IFs don't make a THUS," but as all of this operates in the realm of politics, part of our task is the use of rhetoric. Apparently I didn't do such a good job of it there, but these kinds of public discussions are useful for critique &amp; refining our rhetorical approaches. </p> <p>Re. Food Babe again, she can take all the credit she wants, because in the bigger picture she's small beans compared to public health scientists who have real credibility based on real achievements.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844654&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-rdiFvu14dHlHtO-EEHTW3wVUlexqDpGHaUGjmHK12Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844654">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844655" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441994625"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara, thank you for one of the best explainers I've ever read on antibiotics resistance, and something we need more of. I am looking forward to sharing this with U.S. PIRG followers and members, who have been working hard to help fight this problem and who will no doubt appreciate this post at least as much as I do. </p> <p>There's one point, however, that I think needs some clarity. It's important to recognize that Subway's statement is not a commitment, and anything short of a concrete plan to switch to meat raised without routine antibiotics will have little, if any, real impact. We saw this in nearly a decade of McDonald's saying it supported the idea of antibiotic-free meat, to no avail. Then, weeks after they made a firm commitment, with a timeline and plan of action, we saw Tysons and a number of others, start to follow suit. This was major. Subway is not quite there.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844655&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wno4wSXacFcd-D1tyjrAL0vHIdSVGPS5KpPZXVFCdYE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anya Vanecek (not verified)</span> on 11 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844655">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844656" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1443048247"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is the appropriate conclusion for the study from Levy that tetracycline resistant bacteria is a consequence of tet feed or is the appropriate conclusion that traces of tet feed in the atmosphere are sufficient to kill non resistant bacteria. The reduced completion would result in more favorable conditions for the tetracycline resistant bacteria growth. Obviously, the condition was favorable to chicken production or the feed would not have been marketable.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844656&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="atit8-6iZJwdBw_nVHXrgAb6SiiWEDYayH3zmdrOpws"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rex Peterson (not verified)</span> on 23 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844656">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844657" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1443050231"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's a consequence of using feed containing the antibiotic, which selects for the resistant bacteria.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844657&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N-InDh0Xok8z9hX6Yv7p59dT3cqNgwS8Ts30T9VTSL4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 23 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844657">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844658" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1444428060"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you for the work you put into this article! It really helped simplify all the parts in the relationship between humans and antibiotics, and the cause and effect. This is the kind of information that needs to be more readily available to the public. I do not think the average person is aware of some of the points you have made here, which I think is another problem in and of itself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844658&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8edJxWu1tTk25MTS6j6Cs78PDWCx9Pq9C_bYPrPA5x8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brittany N. (not verified)</span> on 09 Oct 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844658">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844659" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1445149854"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fantastic article! It is great to see word about antibiotic resistance spreading. Antibiotic resistance truly is one of the greatest threats to the worlds future health, The guardian recently release an article stating that there could be an additional 6300 deaths per year in the US if the effectiveness of antibiotics drops by only 30%. </p> <p>We at Moderate the Medicine (moderatethemedicine.wordpress.com) are also campaigning to promote the responsible usage of antibiotics. We try to present information about antibiotic resistance that is accessible to the general public, with articles like our latest: 7 things you can do to help prevent antibiotic resistance (<a href="https://moderatethemedicine.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/7-things-you-can-do-to-help-prevent-antibiotic-resistance">https://moderatethemedicine.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/7-things-you-can-d…</a>) and topics ranging from the history of antibiotics to the impacts the livestock industry has on antibiotic resistance. </p> <p>Thank you for spreading the word</p> <p>Stay well.<br /> Moderate the Medicine.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844659&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XG_51mqRV-vpXnQ8k3ZqTBMPM6pO0ADsh9pOQBKXmlo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Moderate the Medicine">Moderate the M… (not verified)</span> on 18 Oct 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844659">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844660" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1448557618"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is a great post that is very informative! Antibiotic resistance is a huge issue that is quickly growing, and unfortunately it is not something that very many people know about, or fully understand. I think the great misconception about antibiotics is that it is only taking them unnecessarily or incorrectly that causes resistance, which is not the case. While this is a huge contributor (studies done by the CDC estimate that half of all prescriptions are given incorrectly or unnecessarily), it is not the sole cause. Taking antibiotics in any way, shape, or form helps to contribute to resistance. This is why getting antibiotics out of our food sources, namely livestock, is so important! Thank you for writing about a very important issue and for helping to educate people!</p> <p>Molly Klug</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844660&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eSA2FLRVAAdZAcPXAjD3jfuYFjqyOnNLfEiieoll1wI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Molly Klug (not verified)</span> on 26 Nov 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844660">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844661" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1448640242"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One thing not mentioned here is the massive use of anti-bacterial soaps, everywhere, all the time. When people use soaps that are claimed to kill 99.9% of germs, no one seems to worry about what becomes of the other 0.1% over time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844661&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tDsqQtpFXQOm3DAW6ar1bCwu7Pk8E6JDsncpg0oX_UA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Skeptic Scott (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844661">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844662" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1451481011"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>An outstanding article.<br /> I recently wrote my final Life Science exam and in my studying I developed quite an interest in Darwin’s theory of natural selection. This article was very educational in the sense that I now see that there is a fine balance in nature and that it is our responsibility to do our utmost to keep the balance. We are after all part of nature and rely on it for everything.<br /> Thank you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844662&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3NrLKXSCZjKfxD6Rp4Hmr5dVZ-0Q3L7kkpe_9b9y5-U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Louis Wentzel (not verified)</span> on 30 Dec 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844662">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2015/09/10/antibiotic-resistance-myths-and-misunderstandings%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:18:05 +0000 tsmith 58138 at https://scienceblogs.com ST398 carriage and infections in farmers, United States https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/04/30/st398-carriage-and-infections-in-farmers-united-states <span>ST398 carriage and infections in farmers, United States</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been working on livestock-associated <em>Staphylococcus aureus</em> and farming now for almost a decade. In that time, work from my lab has shown that, first, the "livestock-associated" strain of methicillin-resistant <em>S. aureus</em> (MRSA) that was found originally in Europe and then <a href="http://mrsa-net.nl/files/de/file-eg-ant-124-0-Khanna.pdf" target="_blank">in Canada</a>, ST398, is <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004258" target="_blank">in the United States </a>in pigs and farmers; that it's present here in <a href="http://www.jiph.org/article/S1876-0341(11)00047-5/abstract" target="_blank">raw meat</a> <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0030092" target="_blank">products</a>; that "LA" <em>S. aureus </em>can be found not only in the agriculture-intensive Midwest, but also in tiny pig states <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1863-2378.2012.01527.x/abstract" target="_blank">like Connecticut</a>. With collaborators, we've also shown that ST398 can be found in unexpected places, <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/4/11-1419_article.htm" target="_blank">like Manhattan</a>, and that the ST398 strain appears to have originated as a <a href="http://mbio.asm.org/content/3/1/e00305-11" target="_blank">"human" type of <em>S. aureus</em> </a>which subsequently was transmitted to and evolved in pigs, obtaining additional antibiotic-resistance genes while losing some genes that help the bacterium adapt to its human host. We also found a "human" type of <em>S. aureus</em>, ST5, <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0053738" target="_blank">way more commonly than expected</a> in pigs originating in central Iowa, suggesting that the evolution of S. aureus in livestock is ongoing, and <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1004564" target="_blank">is more complicated</a> than just ST398 = "livestock" Staph.</p> <p>However, with all of this research, there's been a big missing link that I repeatedly get asked about: what about actual, symptomatic infections in people? How often do <em>S. aureus</em> that farmers might encounter on the farm make them ill? We tried to address this in a retrospective survey we <a href="http://www.aaem.pl/pdf/17331.pdf" target="_blank">published previously</a>, but that research suffered from all the problems that retrospective surveys do--recall bias, low response rate, and the possibility that those who responded did so *because* they had more experience with <em>S. aureus</em> infections, thus making the question more important to them. Plus, because it was asking about the past, we had no way to know that, even if they did report a prior infection, if it was due to ST398 or another type of <em>S. aureus</em>.</p> <p>So, in 2011, we started a prospective study that was <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/civ234?%20ijkey=VZMZJZ5ndth01xL&amp;keytype=ref" target="_blank">just published in <em>Clinical Infectious Diseases</em></a>, enrolling over 1,300 rural Iowans (mostly farmers of some type, though we did include individuals with no farming exposures as well, and spouses and children of farmers) and testing them at enrollment for <em>S. aureus</em> colonization in the nose or throat. Like previous studies done by our group <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0067641" target="_blank">and</a> <a href="http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1306741/" target="_blank">others</a> in the US, we found that pig farmers were more likely to be carrying<em> S. aureus</em> that were resistant to multiple antibiotics, and especially to tetracycline--a common antibiotic used while raising pigs. Surprisingly, we didn't find any difference in MRSA colonization among groups, but that's likely because we enrolled relatively small-scale farmers, rather than workers in concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) like we had examined in prior research, who are exposed to many more animals living in more crowded conditions (and possibly receiving more antibiotics).</p> <p>What was unique about this study, besides its large size, was that we then followed participants for 18 months to examine development of <em>S. aureus</em> infections. Participants sent us a monthly questionnaire telling us that they had a possible Staph infection or not; describing the infection if there was one, including physician diagnosis and treatment; and when possible, sending us a sample of the infected area for bacterial isolation and typing. Over the course of the study, which followed people for over 15,ooo "person-months" in epi-speak, 67 of our participants reported developing over 100 skin and soft tissue infections. Some of them were "possibly" <em>S. aureus</em>--sometimes they didn't go to the doctor, but they had a skin infection that matched the handout we had given them that gave pictures of what Staph infections commonly look like. Other times they were cellulitis, which often can't be definitively confirmed as caused by <em>S. aureus</em> without more invasive tests. Forty-two of the infections were confirmed by a physician, or at the lab as <em>S. aureus</em> due to a swab sent by the patient.</p> <p>Of the swabs we received that were positive, 3/10 were found to be ST398 strains--and all of those were in individuals who had contact with livestock. A fourth individual who also had contact with pigs and cows had an ST15 infection. Individuals lacking livestock contact had infections with more typical "human" strains, such as ST8 and ST5 (usually described as "community-associated" and "hospital-associated" types of Staph). So yes, ST398 is causing infections in farmers in the US--and very likely, these are flying under the radar, because 1) farmers really, really don't like to go to the doctor unless they're practically on their deathbed, and 2) even if they do, and even if the physician diagnoses and cultures <em>S. aureus</em> (which is not incredibly common--many diagnoses are made on appearance alone), there are very limited programs in rural areas to routinely type <em>S. aureus</em>. Even in Iowa, where invasive <em>S. aureus</em> infections were previously state-reportable, we know that fewer than<a href="https://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/cade/antibioticreport.pdf" target="_blank"> half of the samples</a> even from these infections ever made it to the State lab for testing--and for skin infections? Not even evaluated.</p> <p>As warnings are sounded all over the world about the <a href="http://www.voanews.com/content/who-global-threat-from-antiobtic-resistance-growing/2741764.html" target="_blank">looming problem of antibiotic resistance</a>, we need to rein in the denial of antibiotic resistance in the <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2011/09/meat-industry-antibiotic-resistance" target="_blank">food/meat industry</a>. Some positive steps are being made--just the other day, Tyson foods announced they plan to eliminate <a href="http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/28/tyson-abx/" target="_blank">human-use antibiotics in their chicken</a>, and places like <a href="http://www.wired.com/2015/03/mcdonalds-abx/" target="_blank">McDonald's</a> and <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/08/13/211717907/chipotle-changes-antibiotic-free-policy-oops-no-it-doesnt" target="_blank">Chipotle </a>are using antibiotic-free chicken and/or other meat products in response to consumer demand. However, pork and beef still remain more stubborn when it comes to antibiotic use on farms, despite a recent study showing that resistant bacteria generated on cattle feed yards can <a href="http://time.com/3763002/antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-airborne-antimicrobial-resistance-cattle-yards/" target="_blank">transmit via the air</a>, and studies <a href="http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/674860?uid=3739256&amp;uid=2134&amp;uid=2&amp;uid=70&amp;uid=4&amp;sid=21103279111421" target="_blank">by my group</a> and <a href="http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1738717" target="_blank">others</a> demonstrating that people who live in proximity to CAFOs or areas where swine waste is deposited are more likely to have MRSA colonization and/or infections--even if it's with the "human" types of <em>S. aureus</em>. The cat is already out of the bag, the genie is out of the bottle, whatever image or metaphor you prefer--we need to increase surveillance to detect and mitigate these issues, better integrate rural hospitals and clinics into our surveillance nets, and work on mitigation of resistance development and on new solutions for treatment cohesively and with all stakeholders at the table. I don't think that's too much to ask, given the stakes.</p> <p>Reference: Wardyn SE, Forshey BM, Farina S, Kates AE, Nair R, Quick M, Wu J, Hanson BM, O’Malley S, Shows H, Heywood E, Beane-Freeman LE, Lynch CF, Carrel M, Smith TC. <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/civ234?">Swine farming is a risk factor for infection with and high prevalence of multi-drug resistant <em>Staphylococcus aureus</em></a>. Clinical Infectious Diseases, in press, 2015. <a href="http://now.uiowa.edu/2015/04/study-finds-swine-farming-risk-factor-drug-resistant-staph-infections" target="_blank">Link to press release</a>.</p> <p> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 04/30/2015 - 13:03</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/my-research" hreflang="en">My research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus-antibiotic-resistance-farming-agriculture-swine-iowa" hreflang="en">Staphylococcus aureus; antibiotic resistance; farming; agriculture; swine; Iowa;</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844617" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1430415440"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't get it. We've understood the catastrophic consequences of routine antibiotic use in livestock for decades. How is this still legal? How is this still happening?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844617&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J3RNBokWR-YkQCvt7WJL7oBzoWPmlte6k-R_CJfL0kM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Young CC Prof (not verified)</span> on 30 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844617">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844618" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1430441814"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lobbyists? Public health doesn't have the money that the meat and pharmaceutical industry does.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844618&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="74-lrHZvu5qDogaJP8zGfB8iyQMP4l0nVUvdBe7TWvk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 30 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844618">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844619" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1430938938"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Very, very cool study! </p> <p>Tangentially, is it ever possible to 'clear' a colonization? I have a friend who, with her two kids, seems to be colonized with a particularly nasty form of strep (everyone constantly has some kind of infection). </p> <p>Once a person is colonized, are they stuck with that bacteria as a new part of their flora? And, wouldn't we expect their immune system to be very efficient at dealing with it, because of the regular contact?</p> <p>(Bacteria-immune interaction isn't my forte; I usually do cancer-immune interactions.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844619&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qUMVhSnB0Fa_6Ht4y9u0BfUWeu8rGN92et9e4YPv0Tc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 06 May 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844619">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844620" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1434538659"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://ku.ac.ke">Livestock</a> infections are spreading worldwide. Research have been carried out to cab spread of various infections but still the problem persist .</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844620&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="321-gSlQsf5d49F153bFaH86fCY0buTaYbrUbDPfP_U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">James (not verified)</span> on 17 Jun 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844620">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2015/04/30/st398-carriage-and-infections-in-farmers-united-states%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 30 Apr 2015 17:03:15 +0000 tsmith 58135 at https://scienceblogs.com Superbugs rising https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/05/13/superbugs-rising <span>Superbugs rising</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's a parent's worst nightmare. Your healthy child is suddenly ill. The doctors you've trusted to treat him are unable to do anything about it. Drugs that we've relied upon for decades are becoming increasingly useless as bacteria evolve resistance to them. New drugs are few and far between. Old drugs, shelved because of their toxic side-effects, are being brought in as last resorts--kidney failure, after all, is better than certain death.</p> <p>Unfortunately, this is increasingly the state of medicine today, and people are dying from it. The World Health Organization even recently <a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/amr-report/en/" target="_blank">sounded the alarm</a>, noting that "the world is headed for a post-antibiotic era"--and it takes a lot of consensus to get the WHO to act, so this is a Big Deal.</p> <p>I was in Washington, DC last week for two days to discuss the issue with other "<a href="http://www.pewhealth.org/other-resource/supermoms-against-superbugs-2014-advocacy-day-85899544452" target="_blank">supermoms</a>" and dads (farmers, physicians, researchers, and parents whose children had experienced antibiotic-resistant infections), and to share information with legislators and government agencies. (I also brought William, 4 months old, for an extra dose of adorableness).</p> <div style="width: 178px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2014/05/william-superbaby-Copy.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2388" alt="Superbabies against Superbugs" src="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/files/2014/05/william-superbaby-Copy-168x300.jpg" width="168" height="300" /></a> Superbabies against Superbugs </div> <p>Some of the "super" attendees might be familiar to readers. I had the pleasure of meeting <a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/04/14/meet_russ_kremer_americas_most_famous_sustainable_pork_farmer_partner/" target="_blank">Russ Kremer</a>, who has been profiled in several articles and documentaries. Russ raised pigs in confinement, dosing them with antibiotics from birth to slaughter until he was gored by a boar, resulting in a very difficult-to-treat infection that almost cost him his life. <a href="http://www.pewhealth.org/other-resource/meet-the-2014-supermoms-and-superdads-85899544564#ricci" target="_blank">David Ricci</a> was also present. His story was profiled in the Frontline documentary, "<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/" target="_blank">Hunting the Nightmare Bacteria</a>." He contracted an infection with bacteria carrying the <a href="http://www.wired.com/2012/06/ndm1-us-hospital/" target="_blank">NDM-1 </a>genes, making them resistant to almost all known antibiotics, and required multiple surgeries and treatment with some of these last-line drugs over many months.</p> <p>There were also participants you may not have read about previously, like Amanda Hedin and Everly Marcario, who both lost children to antibiotic-resistant infections. I've written before about the immense sadness that comes at times when studying infectious disease, noting that I have a freezer full of bacterial isolates that, while important for study, frequently <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2006/07/05/a-pause-for-reflection/" target="_blank">mark someone's illness or death</a>. It's important work, but heart-wrenching at times.</p> <p>However, we have very little funding to study such infections. My colleague <a href="https://twitter.com/eliowa" target="_blank">Eli Perencevich</a> recently estimated the amount of money spent on antibiotic-resistant infections versus HIV/AIDS, and the answer is that <a href="http://www.wired.com/2011/07/resistance-death-worth/" target="_blank">it's vastly less</a>. Antibiotic resistance needs to be a priority on many fronts. The FDA has recently made some headway into <a href="http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/12/fda-moves-reduce-antibiotics-livestock" target="_blank">possibly reducing antibiotic use on farms</a>, though optimism is mixed regarding how much that will actually help things. Hospitals and clinics are working with physicians to encourage and enforce best practices for antibiotic prescribing in these settings.</p> <p>We need to be responsible with antibiotics. Drugs in <a href="http://www.pewhealth.org/other-resource/tracking-the-pipeline-of-antibiotics-in-development-85899541556" target="_blank">development are scarce</a>, and none are ready for prime time. It's almost unimaginable that we may return to a time when <a href="https://medium.com/p/892b57499e77" target="_blank">an infected scrape could mean the death of a healthy young man</a>, but we're closing in on that every day. The WHO wrote in their report:</p> <p>“A post-antibiotic era, in which common infections and minor injuries can kill, far from being an apocalyptic fantasy, is instead a very real possibility for the 21st century.”</p> <p>We need action, not promises. And <a href="http://app.outreach.pewtrusts.org/e/es?s=814789524&amp;e=4979" target="_blank">we need it now</a>.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/activism" hreflang="en">Activism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844216" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400021961"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Do you have links to studies showing if/how resistance will be reduced as agricultural antibiotic usage drops? How much of a fitness cost do the antibiotic resistance genes carry in the absence of antibiotics? What kind of reductions in usage will we need in order to cut down on antibiotic resistance?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844216&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="L4cqrvLoZVirAWVwpWOZlDuYhorfhza25X3HjsvDy7A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joe McPhee (not verified)</span> on 13 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844216">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844217" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400070871"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's complicated and dependent on the species of bacteria and type of antibiotic. When Europe banned the use of avoparcin (a glycopeptide) in poultry, vancomycin-resistant enterococci went down in humans. (see <a href="http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/1/146.full">http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/1/146.full</a> for example). In Quebec, when they stopped using ceftiofur in chickens, they saw a similar decrease in resistance in Salmonella (<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874360/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874360/</a>). In other cases, yes, resistance can persist even in absence of antibiotics, like fluoroquinolone resistance in Campylobacter (<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15866763">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15866763</a>) but even maintaining the status quo and not *increasing* resistance further with continued use would be better than nothing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844217&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="e4VTfjyKfSoYRjXY9ScR6B9BKMPVlG1Zbaab2wyAtwk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 14 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844217">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844218" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400174378"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interesting - does the ability to decrease resistance following pulling the antibiotic vary depending in the plasmid that contains the resistance cassettes? One could imagine a'bic resistance genes getting into plasmids that also carry virulence determinants - in that case, I'd predict that the resistance would stick around because of the benefits of the other virulence genes. The bacteria I study (a clinical isolate) has loads of antibiotic resistance determinants but is quite stable in long term animal colonization.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844218&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-i01zBeQoLzjlECEBo1vwqb4XwapW1KhRMVfRMLihVs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joe McPhee (not verified)</span> on 15 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844218">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844219" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400175763"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yep, that's part of it, again, depending on species yada yada. For instance, in Staph aureus I look at methicillin-resistant bugs on the farm, but methicillin itself isn't actually used in farming. So resistance is selected because of penicillin use, and because of other genes which co-localize with the methicillin resistance (mecA) gene. There's also some interesting research suggesting that even zinc use, which has increased in some parts of Europe following a ban on growth-promoter antibiotics, has driven the emergence/persistence of methicillin resistance, again probably due to the resistance genes being on the same cassette.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844219&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vy5jKXb1mmyH63xYbxX8H79ha3QCSmvi_U3NrZQxgQg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 15 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844219">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844220" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400251459"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So basically - we're screwed? Could one develop a compound(s) to encourage plasmid loss? I know there are some topoisomerase inhibitors that can do this - but I wonder about developing ones that are less toxic and that could be used to address the resistance reservoir?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844220&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8DDOK-ekt9hLxbgVCyJlC3bliZia2iVSl4o3sYK2WzU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joe McPhee (not verified)</span> on 16 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844220">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844221" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400252862"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, I'm more optimistic than that. I know there is research going on into some of those areas but I have no idea how successful it's been or what the downsides might be. Obviously there's also a lot of research into different compounds--new antibiotics, things like phage lysins, etc. but as mentioned, none of those are ready for prime time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844221&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bJQna31p3oSwAZrM2KBvhYkpwiNsa43sCS068wx70RE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 16 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844221">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1844222" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400283876"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Have you come across/ Are you familiar with Dr. Martin Blaser at NYU? In his book, he talks about the importance of reducing antibiotic usage and preserving our microbiota from a young age. Its a fascinating read. I'd be curious as to what you think of his work.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844222&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uadpCYyCOt7In0VMcE3vy0MneI0CFFkGqsgzUdamyYo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Annie (not verified)</span> on 16 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844222">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1844223" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1400289031"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yep. I have his new book and will review it here in the next few weeks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1844223&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vC9408WUqho_vEMsQLhgI_6IjrnPmDDfJJ1g4QDZXRo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 16 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1844223">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2014/05/13/superbugs-rising%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 13 May 2014 10:00:56 +0000 tsmith 58109 at https://scienceblogs.com The human origins of "pig" Staph ST398 https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2012/02/21/the-human-origins <span>The human origins of &quot;pig&quot; Staph ST398</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I recently gave a talk to a group here in Iowa City, emphasizing just how frequently we share microbes. It was a noontime talk over a nice lunch, and of course I discussed how basically we humans are hosts to all kinds of organisms, and analysis of our "extended microbiome" shows that we share not only with each other, but also with a large number of other species. We certainly do this with my particular organism of interest, <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i>. There are many reports in the literature showing where humans have apparently spread their strains of <i>S. aureus</i> to their pets (<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22146878">dogs</a>, <a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc0706805">cats</a>, <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21325561">hamsters</a>)--and sometimes the pets have been nice enough to share it right back. My own research looks at <i>S. aureus</i> <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004258">in pigs and the humans who care for them</a>, and many studies have shown that a "pig" type of MRSA, dubbed sequence type 398 (ST398), can be transmitted from pig carriers to their human caretakers. The assumption has been that this is truly a "pig" strain, originating in swine, and has spread to humans (and other animals, including cattle, poultry, dogs and horses) from pig hosts, either directly or indirectly via <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/11/mrsa_found_in_iowa_meat.php">contaminated meat</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2012/01/mrsa_in_pork_products.php">products</a>. </p> <p>According to <a href="http://mbio.asm.org/content/3/1/e00305-11">a new study</a> (open access in mBio), it seems that there has been more sharing of ST398 than we'd realized. Led by <a href="http://tgen.org/research/index.cfm?pageid=77&amp;peopleid=506">Lance Price at TGEN</a> (full disclosure--I'm a coauthor on the paper), his group analyzed 89 ST398 isolates from China, Europe, and North America, including isolates from humans and animals as well as both methicillin-susceptible and -resistant strains. Using whole genomic sequence typing, the evolutionary history of these isolates was reconstructed. </p> <p>The findings throw the ST398 story a bit on its head. Instead of being a true pig strain, ST398 appears to have originated as a methicillin-susceptible human strain which was transferred into the pig population, picked up antibiotic resistance genes (including resistance to methicillin and tetracyclines), and then has been passed back to farmers as more resistant organisms. Some prophages were also gained or lost along the way, probably due to selection by host factors. </p> <p>This also suggests that there is still likely a low level of "native human" ST398 circulating in people. There have been <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/16/8/1330.htm">a few</a> <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/4/09-1435_article.htm">case reports of</a> <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/17/4/742.htm">ST398 colonization</a> and/or infection in people without any known livestock contact. Some of these have been resistant to methicillin and/or tetracycline, which are more frequently associated with livestock-adapted strains. Are these truly "human" strains which aren't involved in livestock at all, or are these ST398 findings in people lacking livestock contact still due to some livestock exposure along the chain of transmission (farmer neighbors? Transmission via food?) We still don't know, but carrying out more of this WGST will give us better targets in order to be able to differentiate true "human" ST398 strains from those that have been hanging out in animals, and then transmitted back to people. </p> <p>Now, for long-time science blog readers, this story may sound a bit familiar. Indeed, it looks like ST398 has taken a very similar path to that of another animal-associated <i>S. aureus</i> strain, ST5. As <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2009/10/26/how-humans-started-a-bacterial-pandemic-in-chickens/">Ed Yong described back in 2009</a>, humans are also the ultimate origin of a "chicken" type of <i>S. aureus</i> ST5, which spread around the world in broiler chicken flocks. In Ed's article, the first author of the chicken ST5 paper, Bethan Lowder, notes that the change in chicken farming from small farms to multinational corporations likely aided the spread of this organism--and the exact same thing has happened with pig farming. </p> <p>One difference between the two is that ST5 causes disease in chickens, whereas ST398 seems to be a very rare cause of illness in pigs. This is likely one reason that ST398 in pigs went undetected until relatively recently--it's simply not much of an economic issue for pig producers, whereas in chickens, <i>S. aureus</i> can cause several nasty diseases (such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblefoot_(infection)">bumblefoot</a> and <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19184815">BCO</a>) leading to animal loss (and thus, less money for the farmer). </p> <p>So, where do we go from here? Clearly studies like this show the utility of using WGST to examine the evolution and spread of these strains. If you look at how <i>spa</i> types are distributed throughout the tree, you can see that those alone don't tell you much about where the strain came from, or if it's fully "human" or a pig-adapted lineage. Ideally, a set of simple markers could be found to distinguish ancestral human strains from livestock strains (as methicillin-sensitive ST398 can also be found in pigs, so methicillin resistance alone isn't enough of an indicator that it's a "pig" strain). We'll be working on this in ST398 and other strains we see being shared between animals and humans, in order to better understand this generous sharing we're doing amongst species.</p> <p><b>Reference</b>:</p> <p><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=mBio&amp;rft_id=info%3A%2F10.1128%2FmBio.00305-11&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=Staphylococcus+aureus+CC398%3A+Host+Adaptation+and+Emergence+of+Methicillin+Resistance+in+Livestock+&amp;rft.issn=&amp;rft.date=2012&amp;rft.volume=3&amp;rft.issue=1&amp;rft.spage=305&amp;rft.epage=311&amp;rft.artnum=http%3A%2F%2Fmbio.asm.org%2Fcontent%2F3%2F1%2Fe00305-11&amp;rft.au=Lance+B.+Price&amp;rft.au=Marc+Stegger&amp;rft.au=Henrik+Hasman&amp;rft.au=Maliha+Aziz&amp;rft.au=Jesper+Larsen&amp;rft.au=Paal+Skytt+Andersen&amp;rft.au=Talima+Pearson&amp;rft.au=Andrew+E.+Waters&amp;rft.au=Jeffrey+T.+Foster&amp;rft.au=James+Schupp&amp;rft.au=John+Gillece&amp;rft.au=Elizabeth+Driebe&amp;rft.au=Cindy+M.+Liua&amp;rft.au=Burkhard+Springer&amp;rft.au=Irena+Zdovc&amp;rft.au=Antonio+Battisti&amp;rft.au=Alessia+Franco&amp;rft.au=Jacek+%C5%BBmudzki&amp;rft.au=Stefan+Schwarz&amp;rft.au=Patrick+Butayej&amp;rft.au=Eric+Jouy&amp;rft.au=Constanca+Pomba&amp;rft.au=M.+Concepci%C3%B3n+Porrero&amp;rft.au=Raymond+Ruimy&amp;rft.au=Tara+C.+Smith&amp;rft.au=D.+Ashley+Robinson&amp;rft.au=J.+Scott+Weese&amp;rft.au=Carmen+Sofia+Arriola&amp;rft.au=Fangyou+Yu&amp;rft.au=Frederic+Laurent&amp;rft.au=Paul+Keima%2C&amp;rft.au=Robert+Skov&amp;rft.au=Frank+M.+Aarestrup&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Biology%2CMedicine%2CHealth%2CEpidemiology">Lance B. Price, Marc Stegger, Henrik Hasman, Maliha Aziz, Jesper Larsen, Paal Skytt Andersen, Talima Pearson, Andrew E. Waters, Jeffrey T. Foster, James Schupp, John Gillece, Elizabeth Driebe, Cindy M. Liua, Burkhard Springer, Irena Zdovc, Antonio Battisti, Alessia Franco, Jacek Å»mudzki, Stefan Schwarz, Patrick Butayej, Eric Jouy, Constanca Pomba, M. Concepción Porrero, Raymond Ruimy, Tara C. Smith, D. Ashley Robinson, J. Scott Weese, Carmen Sofia Arriola, Fangyou Yu, Frederic Laurent, Paul Keima,, Robert Skov, &amp; Frank M. Aarestrup (2012). Staphylococcus aureus CC398: Host Adaptation and Emergence of Methicillin Resistance in Livestock <span style="font-style: italic;">mBio, 3</span> (1), 305-311 : <a rev="review" href="10.1128/mBio.00305-11">10.1128/mBio.00305-11</a></span></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Tue, 02/21/2012 - 05:40</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/my-research" hreflang="en">My research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/farming" hreflang="en">farming</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pigs" hreflang="en">Pigs</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/st398" hreflang="en">st398</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843658" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1329879657"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great article! New research says you can't simply say: MRSA or "Pig MRSA" is caused by the overuse of antibiotics in the pig industry. It seems to be more complicated.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843658&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VeiN95YnvrzfTOUXmXQfnszGQqPaebvUKmaReIq6kOA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.holfordwatch.org/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Holford Watch (not verified)</a> on 21 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843658">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843659" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1329896754"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, not exactly. Yes, it is more complicated, but note that resistance to several classes of antibiotics were acquired in pigs--so I think the overuse of antibiotics in ag is certainly a large factor in strains of ST398 that are antibiotic-resistant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843659&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nexo_1Zun378ZUl6u-rz12zdhcf2ZMgT3d_Gn8mW3PY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 22 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843659">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843660" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1329982815"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Tara, I saw this yesterday and forwarded it to my EID editor in hopes of replacing ref. #10. I see now why one of the reviewers suggested referencing it. It would appear that the MSSA ST398 strains described in the EID paper may be 'ancestral', circulating at low levels in humans as you describe...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843660&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uteCvtEQN_KCxdZ7qa9Ah_b2G8sq4oRH9WuOY8I9ozw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jose Mediavilla (not verified)</span> on 23 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843660">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843661" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1330354541"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tara, I was reading, "We Beasties," and Kevin was talking about nominations for some sort of science blogging award. He does have some writing I'd like to vote for/nominate. But, I'd like to point out this piece seems pretty solid to me. As well as the one on MRSA in pork products and "antibiotic" free label.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843661&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-x_37qBdp1xl6AzfQ_eaYnnW36RftZyTHfxVvA69fW8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike Olson (not verified)</span> on 27 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843661">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843662" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1331131251"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Was just listening to the Quirks &amp; Quarks podcast. Heard this familiar story. Didn't hear Bob say "Tara Smith" until the end. It's your 9:06 of fame?</p> <p>Very fluent.</p> <p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/03/03/march-3-2012/">http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/03/03/march-3-2012/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843662&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bdslk4cqFPkNpyy8ftfVIhbTrViZpEaxHblH0ekRQuE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://predelusional.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stephen (not verified)</a> on 07 Mar 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843662">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843663" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1331387990"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I enjoyed the interview on Quirks &amp; Quarks. Sounds like very promising research.<br /> You mentioned animal husbandry practices in Europe but have you seen some of the innovations at places like Polyface Farms in Virginia? They combine animals like pigs and cows or chickens and rabbits to help create less mono-culture environments that help reduce disease. They also move the pens around to spread out the manure around the land and keep a healthier environment for the animals.<br /> <a href="http://mulefootpigs.tripod.com/id21.html">http://mulefootpigs.tripod.com/id21.html</a><br /> <a href="http://www.polyfacefarms.com/story/">http://www.polyfacefarms.com/story/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843663&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ptBEJ3HdhRqjkKpxeSb2qi-FYwNhfjETfLyahsKIiCM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Patrick (not verified)</span> on 10 Mar 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843663">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2012/02/21/the-human-origins%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:40:00 +0000 tsmith 58020 at https://scienceblogs.com MRSA in pork products: does the "antibiotic-free" label make a difference? https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2012/01/19/mrsa-in-pork-products <span>MRSA in pork products: does the &quot;antibiotic-free&quot; label make a difference?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Back in November, I blogged about one of our studies, examining <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/11/mrsa_found_in_iowa_meat.php">methicillin-resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i> (MRSA) in Iowa meat products.</a> In that post, I mentioned that it was one of two studies we'd finished on the subject. Well, today the <a href="http://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0030092">second study</a> is out in PLoS ONE (freely available to all). In this study, we focused only on pork products, and included 395 samples from Iowa, Minnesota, and New Jersey. We also looked at not only conventional meats, but also "alternative" meat products. Most of the latter were products labeled "raised without antibiotics" or "raised without antibiotic growth promotants"--in the markets we tested, very few USDA-certified organic products were available unfrozen, and we were looking for fresh meat products. </p> <p>In our <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22000843">previous paper</a>, we found MRSA on 1.2% of 165 meat samples. In the current study, we found a higher prevalence--6.6% of 395 samples were contaminated with MRSA. (More about the differences in methods between our two studies later). Interestingly, we didn't find a statistically significant difference in MRSA prevalence on conventional versus alternative pork products--a finding that surprised me, as it contradicts what we've found to date looking at the sources of this meat--conventional versus "alternative" pig farms. Other groups have also found differences on-farm versus on-meat: a <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21824380">2011 study looking at feedlot cattle</a> didn't find any MRSA in animal samples, though <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20681968">the same group found MRSA in beef products</a>. So, our disparate findings between farms and meat samples are not unheard-of. However, even though our sample size was larger than other U.S. studies to date, it was still fairly small overall--300 conventional and 95 alternative pork samples over a 4-week sampling period from 3 states, so larger multi-state studies are needed to further examine this angle. </p> <p>It also suggests that we need processing plants and packing companies to work with us to determine where products are being contaminated--because while there may be arguments about the <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20002686">public health importance of MRSA on meats (or lack thereof)</a>, it's very likely that if <i>S. aureus</i> are ending up on meat products, other pathogens are as well. </p> <p>What does the molecular typing tell us, speaking of contamination source? We carried out analyses on all the MRSA and found that the most common type of MRSA was ST398, the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2009/01/mrsa_st398_in_us_swine.php">"livestock" strain that we previously found on pig farms in the U.S.</a> We also found two "human" types were common: USA300 (a "community-associated" strain) and USA100 (typically considered a "hospital-associated" strain). In the simplest analysis of these findings, these molecular types (a combination of "human" and "pig" strains) suggests that MRSA on raw pork products may be coming both from farms and from food handlers. However, in real life, it's not quite so straightforward. USA100 types have <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18023542">also been found in live pigs</a>. So has <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20739580">USA300</a>. As such, the source of contamination and relative contributions of live pigs versus human meat handlers currently isn't certain. </p> <p>Within the MRSA strains, we found high levels of antibiotic resistance, similar to what was reported in the recent <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/04/staph_in_food--what_does_it_me.php">Waters et al.</a> study. In ours, 76.9% were resistant to two or more antibiotics and 38.5% were resistant to three or more antibiotics tested. (I'll note that we only had funding to test the MRSA--we weren't able to do these tests on all the methiciin-susceptible strains). </p> <p>Did MRSA prevalence increase in the period between our first study (spring 2009) and this one (late summer/fall 2010)? I doubt it. For this paper, we used a different sampling method, adding the samples to a sterile stomacher bag so that the entire sample was immersed in the culture medium; for the first paper we used external swabbing and so likely didn't capture as many bacteria. This current study more likely represents the "true" MRSA prevalence. But--all isolates were only called as positive/negative, and we didn't measure the number of bacteria on each piece of meat. So, there theoretically could have been just a few colonies of MRSA on the entire piece of meat, and that would have been called a positive sample, while another meat product covered with hundreds of MRSA would have been put in the same category. Therefore, more subtle differences may exist that we didn't pick up in this study, but we will examine in other <a href="http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2011/june/060611food_safety.html">ongoing studies</a>. </p> <p>So--what's the take-home here? Don't assume that any meat product is contamination-free, and always use good food handling/cooking practices when dealing with raw meats. As far as the titular question, well, we're still hashing that one out. </p> <p><b>References</b></p> <p>Hanson et al. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22000843">Prevalence of Staphylococcus aureus and methicillin-resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i> (MRSA) on retail meat in Iowa</a>.</p> <p>Waters et al. <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/04/14/cid.cir181.full">Multidrug-Resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i> in US Meat and Poultry</a>. </p> <p>O'Brien et al. <a href="http://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0030092">MRSA in conventional and alternative retail pork products</a>. </p> <p>Lin et al. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20739580">Evidence of multiple virulence subtypes in nosocomial and community-associated MRSA genotypes in companion animals from the upper midwestern and northeastern United States</a>.</p> <p>Weese et al. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21824380">The Prevalence of Methicillin-Resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i> Colonization in Feedlot Cattle</a>. </p> <p>Weese et al. <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1472-765X.2010.02901.x/abstract;jsessionid=D8A02CC9862CFF0C87B898D4CD461DAA.d03t04">Detection and quantification of methicillin-resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i> (MRSA) clones in retail meat products</a>.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 01/19/2012 - 11:35</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/iowaarea-news" hreflang="en">Iowa/area news</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/my-research" hreflang="en">My research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotics" hreflang="en">antibiotics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/meat" hreflang="en">meat</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mrsa" hreflang="en">MRSA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/organic" hreflang="en">Organic</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pork" hreflang="en">pork</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843629" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1326991894"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Huh. That is interesting, that there's little difference in the sources. </p> <p>I don't eat much meat, but of course it could still get to me with bad handling practices. I really wish people weren't so opposed to irradiation or other possible non-antibiotic methods of reducing these.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843629&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="k8FMvYSseY0PiGRBrUz3k7JsOCpiTedXkmlsyLrBfXc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mary (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843629">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843630" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327002066"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is there any evidence of MRSA hanging out in the food processing plants nooks and crannies?<br /> I know we're thinking of Listeria as kind of hanging out in the plants in a semi-permanent (i.e. not anything that can be cleaned out) sort of way. But we have no real clue if it's hiding in drains in biofilms or if there are asymptomatic carriers among the workers, or what.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843630&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3iEfliDTKeqroOtbddye7aCHUudMFTXA0bOHn-G2czE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">becca (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843630">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843631" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327003165"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I haven't seen any studies of that and we've not been able to get into any plants, but I find it hard to imagine it *wouldn't* be there. I'd love to check on environmental surfaces, in the air, and in workers' noses.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843631&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0LMeHOwzhTNaZxITUjQ5kLw0WJWBG1r0LL_TWCnYe-k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 19 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843631">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843632" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327011342"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Are the animals on whom you find MRSA sick? If you are finding the bugs on the meat, this means they have breached the skin barrier and are not commensal per se. DO you find more MRSA on hides and hair?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843632&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RWy9E2W9WM4wqX7nwEeRQptGedc0gZI9umJizAykQZs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SUsan (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843632">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843633" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327016956"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Are titers ever determined for these studies, or is it a PCR yes/no?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843633&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tVXxKRTytdGFZ92c3s5ZWYiKWL1LuRe32u-VRvu2FsU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">hibob (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843633">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843634" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327020370"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Susan, MRSA rarely causes actual disease in pigs--it's typically commensal. Finding it on the meat doesn't mean it's necessarily *in* the muscle--many ways it can become contaminated during processing, and with ground products, obviously anything that was external means it can go anywhere. When we do animal MRSA sampling, we usually check the nose as that's the main reservoir, though it can also be found on skin. </p> <p>hibob, these are using pure cultures, and no blood/serology. So we isolate first, and then use PCR for the variety of molecular genetic testing we carry out. </p> <p>Or are you asking for quantitation of microbial counts on the meat products? As mentioned, that wasn't done for this particular study.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843634&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AdeG25EP2FAV8ZK9FTNnc9irF1bBD6t7Cm0b5DqDVX4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 19 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843634">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843635" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327068564"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When we do animal MRSA sampling, we usually check the nose as that's the main reservoir, though it can also be found on skin.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843635&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1X_uOp1BH7oPyahqvjShp3b5FV8_G7mRMV-YabOJI7Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.afrikamangosu.eu/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">afrika mangosu (not verified)</a> on 20 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843635">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843636" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327134431"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Even if you bought a pig, and feed it yourself, with vegetables that you buy in your local grocery.. it still wouldn't be really 'clear' meat. Nowadays literally everything is polluted.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843636&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wX5xbhxyUR_hi6wwoQ3jK7nuALrVHOoLLpwWWQo_THc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.egzorcyzmy.info/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam K (not verified)</a> on 21 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843636">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843637" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327140772"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lately I've been seeing more articles talking about MRSA contamination of meat, and other than as a marker for the prevalence of antibiotic overuse, I'm not sure this is a real problem. Maybe it's my constant exposure to MRSA in the hospital that has led to me to be less worried about it, because so many people are carriers, but it's really not that big a deal outside the ICU. Further, with meat, staph contamination in general will be inevitable with time. I see it as less of a slaughterhouse problem and more of an issue for the local health department checking the fridge temperatures in restaurants, and being sure to sear the outsides of your steak. I think we have to just accept that our general pattern of antibiotic overuse has made this a ubiquitous bacterium, and we just have to get used to it now. In terms of food contaminants I'd be much more bothered by campylobacter, enterotoxigenic e. coli, etc.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843637&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kl-0-rKFw2Jnfj9kx2NAy-zAudoLBzSBmF0621yc73o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MarkH (not verified)</a> on 21 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843637">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843638" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327143930"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I had no idea MRSA was killing so many people (and how gross it looked): <a href="http://nutritionfacts.org/videos/toxic-megacolon-superbug/">http://nutritionfacts.org/videos/toxic-megacolon-superbug/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843638&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mdnFskJuYeKLOmXNaxzBaDhe7cpll0DhdUiC62JzwNM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Starson (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843638">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843639" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327322485"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mark, I guess we differ on "not that big of a deal." As far as death, I agree with you that the ICU will be the worst cases, but we still see and hear stories from many people with recurrent infections that really impact their quality of life. </p> <p>For food, I differ with you that I don't see it as much of a cooking issue (searing the outsides of your steak), but an environmental contamination issue (eg Grandma handling meat products and then touching her nose, or not wiping everything down carefully after having meat packages on the countertops, etc.) I agree that campy etc. cause more nasty disease directly attributable to food contamination, but we're really just starting to scratch the surface as far as understanding what, if any, role that meat products play in the ecology and transmission of S. aureus.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843639&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mpOxAbRg2UUITwqoba_QgQpPEwKPVIkZnr84S18Ortg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 23 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843639">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843640" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327491377"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>RE: Post #11 "...but we're really just starting to scratch the surface as far as understanding what, if any, role that meat products play in the ecology and transmission of S. aureus." In your line of research, I'd be careful what surfaces you're scratching :-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843640&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6B3pXfsNfioEkSfaK-vjH01ju1La5XarYldOlleQbu4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jeff (not verified)</span> on 25 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843640">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843641" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327497367"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was reading an article in Science about finding MRSA in non-farm soil samples. I assume that these are totally different strains. (Around here, there are pigs rooting around in the fields, but I gather most pigs are born and die indoors.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843641&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tdI3KP3f2S5I8kUrGE97ErgfZPk0myHdqdaPloZh70c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kaleberg (not verified)</span> on 25 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843641">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843642" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1328591809"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>For food, I differ with you that I don't see it as much of a cooking issue (searing the outsides of your steak), but an environmental contamination issue (eg Grandma handling</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843642&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Oc5eS9NgMj7l7T-Cid0FpoQxg4FXgy5A1SsFA5eIX5E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.orjinalafrikamangosu.web.tr/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">afrika mangosu (not verified)</a> on 07 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843642">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843643" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1329356693"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Trioxidane is the key in fighting infection and superbugs. A new technology is tackling just that with the use of ozone and hydrogen peroxide.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843643&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FWZDbvQjcnu4eSfbmj_lSxn36RbZ5UrFL8VNSV4QouY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://kaleuniversity.org/4517-zone" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ken Dorr (not verified)</a> on 15 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843643">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843644" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1329824566"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I buy "raised without antibiotics" or "raised without antibiotic growth promotants" meats because it's a better way to raise animals and for the health of various critters living in and around the pig farms and the in waterways effected by run-off, not for my own health. </p> <p>And then I eat at Taco Bell and have beef that was probably raised by Zombies and then processed by even more evil Zombies using hacksaws with blades dipped in Hep C. </p> <p>Does this count as middle ground?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843644&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3Q6pXhf5tvdCyuKZryE9N9TEtJzDiUYE3p2xPzS541Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed (not verified)</span> on 21 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843644">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843645" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1334352612"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What three states did you perform the study?</p> <p>Tara, you said in a comment, "we've not been able to get into any plants" Have you not been able to because the plants won't let you or you just decided not to?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843645&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fh4t6-7is_AWkQGCCltxp0jm2CgSqtyqhFOTSVzNWwg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.themrsa.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mrsa (not verified)</a> on 13 Apr 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843645">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843646" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1334524631"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Re #17, we haven't found any that will let us in. The 3 states were mentioned in the first paragraph--Minnesota, Iowa and New Jersey.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843646&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DNeUQHwHUljPlzfDuDbtAhYN0RZxTYgqTShU9ImwaQw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 15 Apr 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843646">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843647" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1334596722"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks for answering the second question and sorry about the first question. I'm surprised at myself that I missed it in the first paragraph.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843647&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DEYfdducnW-MR9qNkyYdELcjRSCYe2hdCARVZD7ExMU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mrsa (not verified)</span> on 16 Apr 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843647">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843648" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346415334"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There is little evidence that LA-MRSA strains are being able to colonize either the slaughterhouse environment (each slaughterhouse tends to have it's own established "flora" or humans. Hospital associated strains are by far, the isolates mostly associated with Human infections of MRSA.<br /> In terms of food safety, MRSA behaves pretty much in the same way as MSSA when ingested by the gastro-intestinal route, and, like MSSA is rarelly treated. Even because foodborne outbreaks with S. Aureus are not really ususally associated with the organism it self but rather the toxins it produces, it really tends much more to be a foodborn intoxication rather than a foodborne infection.<br /> That said, what mostly concerns me are the latest findings of hospital associated strains colonizing pets.<br /> Happy to discuss.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843648&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b6Hqdy8WNsww8YBaH8fniGYKiKzjQNx5dgMV4OLBukk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lowlander (not verified)</span> on 31 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843648">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843649" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346432824"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There has been very little examination of MRSA in slaughterhouses here in the US--and note that the meat was found to be contaminated with a mix of LA, CA, and even HA strains. You note that "Hospital associated strains are by far, the isolates mostly associated with Human infections of MRSA"--but this is a bit misleading. Certainly for invasive infections, absolutely. But for skin and soft tissue infections, CA seem to be more important--and remember that MRSA are only the tip of the iceberg, as MSSA are out there causing infections as well but don't get any respect. </p> <p>Finally, as noted we're not looking at it as a food-borne illness, per se, but another vehicle for introducing S. aureus into homes and colonizing their inhabitants.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843649&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0K9W5mgr33OaQntgpXPCry06vuOhf7DLJc5yl8Eu22s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 31 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843649">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843650" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346445584"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you for your stimulating reply.<br /> You are not looking at it as food-borne illness, correct. However you mention in this blog entry you have found it in pork without qualifying the finding, therefore misleading the reader. In my opinion which is why I made the note.<br /> Worse than that in my opinion is the omission that current consensus is that MRSA transmission and colonization is thought to occur mostly from living host to living host. Not through animal products. Fomites in general may play a smaller part.<br /> In Europe, environmental sampling of slaughterhouse environment has not revealed colonization of the slaughterhouse environment. In fact carcasse sampling at slaughterhouse level indicates that MRSA strains seem unable to pass beyond the lairage. Why this happens is unclear. Could be the way carcasses are dressed, could be C&amp;D procedures or simple competition with pre-existing slaughterhouse flora.<br /> Your results are interesting, however, from the entry in the blog I infer that samples were taken of pork in shelf at retailer - correct? If so, there are plenty of steps in the supply chain from slaughterhouse to cutting plant, transport and final retailer where humans could have contaminated your samples with CA and HA strains. The LA strains however are harder to explain.<br /> Finally, my note about Hospital associated strains is certainly not misleading, at least in the European context..<br /> The focus in MRSA rather than MSSA is most justified. One is very resilient to our tools combat it, while the other still has quite a bit still to go.<br /> Happy to discuss.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843650&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bn7m-5yVPUhpow6J5Z2Nb0WtX9NAvp9Q94ACxmjt21k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lowlander (not verified)</span> on 31 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843650">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843651" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346448053"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I do discuss those issues both in the post I linked to from my previous MRSA/food post, as well as in the paper, which is open access and freely available to anyone with an internet connection. I'm not sure what you expect in a blog post--I'm certainly not going to repeat every finding and caveat from the paper verbatim--hence the linking. </p> <p>You keep suggesting the European studies and that I'm misleading, but from research in my lab and others, the situation with swine-associated S. aureus here in the US is quite different from that in Europe. As such, you can't directly extrapolate from their findings to our issues here in the US--meaning we still have a lot of unanswered questions. The strains we see even in live animals in the US are much more diverse than those seen in Europe--we see HA and CA even in our live pigs, so it's unclear whether when we see those in meat samples if it's coming from people or animals (again, as we discuss in the paper). And I disagree that it's a settled matter that meat isn't a risk--so does the USDA, who has funded me to investigate that very question. In this case, meats are acting as essentially a moving fomite, which can possibly contaminate kitchens and meat handlers. There are some interesting environmental sampling papers which show lots of SA associated with kitchen sinks, wastebaskets, etc., and meat products are one (of several) places those could come from.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843651&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nC8lQj-gO1p9UVvshflkPdHP8pdLubr0-zHfhacRo4A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 31 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843651">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843652" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346454704"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have not read the paper nor followed the links, just the post and the comment section from readers. The comments from some readers appear to show this misunderstanding of nature of the hazards between invasive MRSA and general foodborne toxinfection from MRSA/MSSA. I do apologise if the comment about that topic is unfair.<br /> By the way, I have just discovered this blog and am just now going through the older entries. Very interesting, stimulating and very good information to the public. So please do not take my comments as criticism for the sake of it but rather as true discussion and debate of ideas.<br /> I am mentioning European studies and the European context simply because it is the one I know better. I am not suggesting that your study is misleading, I am suggesting that while interesting it does not really fundamentally challenge EFSA's opinion on risk of Human infection with MRSA. being:<br /> 1 - HA strains are the largest contributors to human infections<br /> 2 - Human colonization with MRSA in a determined geographical area tends to follow the strains in the local hospital<br /> 3 - CA is a recognized issue in the US but much much less so in Europe.<br /> 4 - LA strains tend to circulate amongst livestock and colonize specific groups of people, constituting an occupational hazard<br /> 5 - Within LA's equine LA's appear to be expanding and horses are starting to show the same pattern as Human, i.e. MRSA strains in horses tend to be regionally clustered and related with equine veterinary hospitals</p> <p>Regarding your disagreement. First I did not say that pork or fomites in general are not a risk, just that epidemiologically, it is not as significant as live host to live host transmission. Second your postulated route contamination of kitchens is, in my opinion, unnecessary to explain what we observe, I am not discarding it, do not take me wrong, I just find it a weaker, less probable explanation. SA likes moist warm mucosas to live and multiply. It survives in fomites and can even multiply given certain right conditions but it mostly survives, not thrives in fomites, I think that your most obvious source of SA in a determined environment has to be a living host the majority of times, so in a kitchen I would look at the inhabitants first: habitants, people visiting, pets and only then pork products. </p> <p>Of much more importance, I think, are findings of HA and CA strains colonizing living livestock and, I stress again pets. Because they can serve as secondary sources for further re-infection in a community, in the particular case of livestock, where on top of it you apply extra selective pressure due to a different range of antibiotics being used on those strains you can end up with a brand new strain (in fact given enough time that is an inevitability!) or transfer of resistance genes between LA and CA and HA strains which later find their way back to a hospital.<br /> In the case of pets it is extremely worrying because they tend to have a much more intimate contact with people and secondly because you also risk that they go on to contaminate small animal veterinary hospitals where selective pressure will just compound your problem.<br /> Very happy with this debate.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843652&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nkU6uLVU_0pooxAFT_M_GG0poVkTmSAKdX8HO_H64qU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lowlander (not verified)</span> on 31 Aug 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843652">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2012/01/19/mrsa-in-pork-products%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:35:00 +0000 tsmith 58017 at https://scienceblogs.com MRSA found in Iowa meat https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/11/09/mrsa-found-in-iowa-meat <span>MRSA found in Iowa meat</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've blogged previously on a few U.S. studies which investigated <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/04/staph_in_food--what_does_it_me.php">methicillin-resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i></a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/05/mrsa_meat_and_motown.php">in raw meat products</a> (including chicken, beef, turkey, and pork). This isn't just a casual observation as one who eats food--I follow this area closely as we also have done our own pair of food sampling investigations here in Iowa, and <a href="http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2011/june/060611food_safety.html">will be doing a much larger, USDA-funded investigation</a> of the issue over the next 5 years. </p> <p>Let me sum up where the field currently stands. There have been a number of studies looking at <i>S. aureus</i> on raw meat products, carried out both here in North American and in Europe. In a <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168160508006466">study from the Netherlands</a>, a large percentage of samples were found to harbor MRSA (11.9% overall, but it varied by meat type--35.3% of turkey samples were positive, for example). Most of there were a type called ST398, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2009/01/mrsa_st398_in_us_swine.php">the "livestock" strain</a>. This was also found in <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885117/?tool=pubmed">one Canadian study</a> (5.5% MRSA prevalence, and 32% of those were ST398), but no ST398 were found in a <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1472-765X.2010.02901.x/abstract;jsessionid=022FF7E81A009F56F9D06D8B283C2F1E.d03t04">second study by the same group.</a> </p> <p>Here in the US, prevalence has found to be lower than in that Dutch study (from no MRSA found, up to 5% of samples positive). Furthermore, in the previously-published studies, no MRSA ST398 was found in samples of US meat, though <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/04/14/cid.cir181.full">this paper</a> did find plenty of methicillin-sensitive <i>S. aureus</i> (MSSA) ST398 strains. Instead, most of the MRSA isolates have been seemingly "human" MRSA types, like USA100 (a common hospital-associated strain) and USA300 (a leading community-acquired strain). </p> <p>Why am I rehashing all of this? We have a <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22000843">new paper out</a> examining <i>S. aureus</i> in Iowa meats--and did find for the first time MRSA ST398, as well as MRSA USA300 and MSSA strains including both presumptive "human" and "animal" types. This was just a pilot study and numbers are still fairly small, but enough to say that yes, this is here in the heart of flyover country as well as in the other areas already examined. </p> <p>As I mentioned, this is one of two studies we've completed examining MRSA on meat; the other is still under review and much more controversial, but I will share that as soon as I'm able. And with the USDA grant, we'll be working on better understanding the role that contaminated meats play in the epidemiology and transmission of <i>S. aureus</i> for the next several years, so expect to see more posts on this topic...</p> <p><b>References</b></p> <p>Hanson et al. Prevalence of Staphylococcus aureus and methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) on retail meat in Iowa. J Infect Public Health. 2011 Sep;4(4):169-74. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22000843">Link</a>. </p> <p>Waters et al. Multidrug-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus in US Meat and Poultry . Clin Infect Dis. 2011 May;52(10):1227-30. <a href="http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/04/14/cid.cir181.full&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&#10;&lt;p&gt;Weese et al. Detection and quantification of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) clones in retail meat products. Lett Appl Microbiol. 2010 Sep;51(3):338-42. &lt;a href=" http:="">Link</a>.</p> <p>Weese et al. Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) contamination of retail pork. Can Vet J. 2010 July; 51(7): 749-752. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885117/?tool=pubmed">Link</a>.</p> <p>De Boer et al. Prevalence of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus in meat. Int J Food Microbiol. 2009 Aug 31;134(1-2):52-6. <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168160508006466">Link</a>. </p> <p>Pu et al. Isolation and characterization of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus strains from Louisiana retail meats. Appl Environ Microbiol. 2009 Jan;75(1):265-7. <a href="http://aem.asm.org/content/75/1/265.long">Link</a>. </p> <p>Bhargava et al. Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus in retail meat, Detroit, Michigan, USA. Emerg Infect Dis. 2011 Jun;17(6):1135-7. <a href="http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/17/6/10-1905_article.htm">Link</a>. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Wed, 11/09/2011 - 03:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/my-research" hreflang="en">My research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/epidemiology" hreflang="en">epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/meat" hreflang="en">meat</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mrsa" hreflang="en">MRSA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843533" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320832004"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dr. Smith,</p> <p>Thanks for the great blog.</p> <p>Do you plan to look at MRSA infections among people who handle meat as part of their job (who either acquired MRSA from the meat and/or who have transmitted MRSA to the meat)?</p> <p>Ken</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843533&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dN0lsn2XRPm-W6budyCqaK8eDJUuMwXKn6vm_lPUSEQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ken (not verified)</span> on 09 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843533">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843534" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320834177"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Very good post I very much enjoyed reading it, keep at it as I hope to read more.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843534&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Cq5HSUrMqErs_9j2sLhy-U94c4ks9IMB2XVkTAFJ3Q4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://vetsomaha.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Matt (not verified)</a> on 09 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843534">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843535" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320835902"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That does it. I'm having tofurkey surprise for dinner tonight.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843535&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WF_-QsBtVacQUWrjdSR9W6plslWBXXpMmTU2bjAEF94"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jetlagandgaming.com/forum" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Justicar (not verified)</a> on 09 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843535">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843536" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320870120"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ken, no plans to look at that currently, but perhaps toward the end of the grant. I'm more interested in consumers right now. Plus, there are pros and cons of looking at those who work in meat handling. Pros--obviously lots of meat contact, BUT con--in theory are also trained to handle properly, use gloves and handwashing, etc. There was one previous study (<a href="http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=19712">here</a>) that looked at that population for colonization, and found a low level.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843536&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E71klHPRin5h9sH71nOFbycKGDksAcHNQfiRMs-Rx_c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 09 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843536">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843537" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1321181410"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>MRSA enters the tiniest micro crack in the skin, people touch their noses after handling meat. Cutting up and preparing raw meat is no different than putting your hands on MRSA wounds of infected humans. Expect the USDA to cover up these facts because the meat industry is a multi-billion dollar business and for every single representative in Congress Senate and House the meat industry hires 100 lobbyists so to pay these law makers, so the meat industry can do whatever they like without any regard to the consequences of human safety. We are NOW entering into a new age where antibiotics are becoming ineffective. Antibiotic abuse on farm factories is the cause of that since most people do handle raw meat.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843537&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XrEvIHHdyCqWojVTziZZlaByhOa47V8MH69lbRNACd4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Luke Thomas (not verified)</span> on 13 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843537">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843538" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1321181546"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>CBS news reported about half the meat sold in America is infected with superbugs like MRSA</p> <p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/15/health/main20054211.shtml">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/15/health/main20054211.shtml</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843538&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-G6tiFFRLsBJM02ISYaNaDc1vC7-kTDztDrIQAhimMU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Luke Thomas (not verified)</span> on 13 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843538">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843539" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1321187164"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Luke, the USDA has no ability to review/censor what our findings are, and they were very interested in our proposed research. You might be surprised at what goes on behind the scenes. We've even had funding from the National Pork Board to do some of these studies.</p> <p>And the CBS story refers to the Waters paper which I cited above.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843539&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KqABEtr342f9YiPBQSgu7ohqqpe0y6n0ySr7I1YVCXM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 13 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843539">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2011/11/09/mrsa-found-in-iowa-meat%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:00:00 +0000 tsmith 58012 at https://scienceblogs.com It's not a freaking spider bite https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/08/11/its-not-a-spider-bite <span>It&#039;s not a freaking spider bite</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Over at <a href="http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground">White Coat Underground</a>, Pal has the <a href="http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2011/08/10/spider/">post that I've been meaning to write.</a> Earlier this summer, a family member posted on Facebook that a friend of her daughter was nursing a "nasty spider bite" that she got while camping in Michigan. Her post claimed it was a Brown Recluse bite. Being my usually buttinski self, I posted and told her that it was really, really unlikely to be a brown recluse bite, and that the friend-of-the-daughter-of-the-relative should hie thee to her physician and get the "bite" checked out. I told her that rather than a spider bite, it could be a Staph infection and may require antibiotics. </p> <p>Now, I should note that few people in my family really "get" just what it is that I do, and even fewer of them realize that I spend my days researching bacterial infections, and that Staph in particular is my specialty. So I didn't take it personally when she pooh-poohed my suggestion and told me I had no idea what I was talking about, and that FOTDOTR's doctor had already seen the bite and proclaimed it to be due to a brown recluse. Okay, whatever, northern Michigan is completely the wrong place to get a bite from one of these critters and <a href="http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/content/full/17/3/220">many</a> <a href="http://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/1001/p943.html">research</a> <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0736467909007926">papers</a> say the same thing--that "spider bites" usually aren't bites at all. I pointed this out (and linked some Google images of supposed spider bites in comparison to Staph infection images) and then left the conversation. </p> <p>A day later, relative posted an update in the thread--FOTDOTR ended up going back to the doctor as the "bite" was getting worse. As I suspected, she had now officially been diagnosed with a staph infection--and yet they were still trying to determine "what kind of spider bit her." A few hours later, relative asked "What is MRSA? FOTDOTR was just diagnosed with that from the spider bite." </p> <p>This is when I started pulling out my hair, since I'd linked info about MRSA several days prior by this point. There was no spider bite, damn it!</p> <p>Anyway, FOTDOTR got treatment (though relative probably still believes it's from a spider bite) and I know at least a few people on the thread now may at least think "staph" when someone says "spider bite"--so overall, a good ending. </p> <p>Pal notes:</p> <blockquote><p>Despite this widespread belief, most "spider bites" in my part of the country [<i>Michigan, ahem--TS</i>] aren't caused by spiders, and probably aren't bites at all. (The feared "brown recluse" does not live naturally in my part of the country, although importations have been reported. They do not generally survive through the winter.) The distinction is important for a few reasons. First, many of us are guilty of wanton arachnicide propelled by our unwarranted fears. Second, many "bites" are probably bacterial infections and should be treated properly. Finally, there's my own bias that we shouldn't assume things that aren't so.</p></blockquote> <p>Indeed. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Thu, 08/11/2011 - 03:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infection" hreflang="en">infection</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mrsa" hreflang="en">MRSA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/spider-bite" hreflang="en">spider bite</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843303" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313047502"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Brava (and PAL too). You would not believe how many times I have had this exact conversation. Well, actually, OK, you probably would...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843303&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zljqld3Lwj6vjz4VQ0TBoAn1iBAMA2sUCKpx_dVO4iM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/superbug" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Maryn (not verified)</a> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843303">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843304" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313047762"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Indeed. I have <a href="http://somethingscrawlinginmyhair.com/2007/12/01/male-funnel-web-spider/">my own little rant on the subject near the end of this article</a>. The only reason I can figure for spiders getting blamed for so many of these skin lesions, is that people see a skin lesion, and jump to the conclusion that because it is small, circular, and red, it must be a bite. They then bound ahead to the assumption that they must have been bitten while sleeping, so they check in the bedroom and find spiders. Which they immediately blame. </p> <p>For the record, I have captured, poked, prodded, and otherwise harassed a lot of spiders of many different species over the years while trying to get pictures. And not one of them has ever bitten me, or even shown any interest in trying. Not *one*. *Ever*. I am therefore *very* skeptical of people who claim spider bites unless they actually saw the spider do it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843304&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="V8aHTmJQYk4vjATSWdikRzUNX16ncnRHyrI05Kb7LTc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://somethingscrawlinginmyhair.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tim Eisele (not verified)</a> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843304">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843305" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313048077"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Still makes my skin crawl... But not as much as bed bugs.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843305&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="M7CaYxuyyE56BI8hYctl19uwE0u2QHqXodWNnuM4w6g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.epiren.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">René Najera (not verified)</a> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843305">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843306" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313048953"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Tim</p> <p>I managed to harass a jumping spider into biting me once. It felt like a brief sharp pinch. However, there was no persistant welt or redness. And I agree. I am highly dubious of claims of spider bites. It's not as if a spider could possibly feed off a human. (Unlike the very many insects - and microbes - that do exactly that. </p> <p>I have the same reaction when people tell me they killed a water moccasin or a copperhead in their back yard. Most of the time, they've merely killed some unfortunate nonvenomous snake.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843306&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-BTED8KFmXmtdGjbwYI0O2rcrgF2Ndq_OQJpUW_po5A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">qetzal (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843306">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843307" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313049111"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>iiiinteresting. Now I'm going through the various spots-on-skin things I've had over the years and wondering how many were actually bites of any type of critter at all. There's really only one time that I was fairly sure it was a spider - three marks in an uneven line that were "speckle-y" and itched like crazy for a couple of days. The spider caught in the blanket nearby made it seem like a good indicator, but that was years ago and I've never had anything similar again. And, now I think I could have been entirely wrong. Made for a good story to creep out my friends though.</p> <p>Being bitten by things is annoying, and people are quite often afraid of spiders. Maybe they just seem like a convenient target for the blame. The idea that scary things can get you without your knowledge tends to kick in people's imagination. (and, in the case of your friend, her doctor's imagination apparently) Personally, spiders bug me far, far less than mosquitoes. I'd love to have spider webs all around my house if it would result in fewer frickin' mosquitoes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843307&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X7rhmmgTRWVmBPmU_8QE-RFrMlGz0zZ5_UkAG2QUIJ0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">kickabout (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843307">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843308" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313050073"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In my experience, spider bites are usually characterized by a row of bites. The spider takes a chomp, walks a few paces, then takes another. Fortunately, the only spiders that have tasted my flesh have been pretty innocuous. No worse than mosquito bites.<br /> But yeah, I've been through crawlspaces teeming with black widows and never gotten a bite from them. I have a couple big, fat harvestmen in cobwebs in my kitchen, happily keeping down the summer influx of fruit flies. They are welcome in my space as long as they stay out of my bed.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843308&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TO1Bzlu5t9n5dRSIluxQywsjjIUr5So5cyuByfZYRSE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Artor (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843308">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843309" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313050756"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Boy, does this hit home. Several years ago I purchased a classic car for restoration. It had been sitting in a garage for several years with all of the various parts inside the car. I had it towed home and stuck it in my garage and eventually did an inventory of just exactly what I had bought. Several days after this exercize I developed a small, circular red patch on my right elbow. Now mind you, I never saw a spider or felt anything like a bite, but combined with a low-grade fever and flu-like symptoms, my wife eventually brought me to the emergency room. By this time the red patch had spread almost all of the way down from my right elbow to the wrist. Every one of my family members was telling every one within earshot, "Brown Recluse!, Brown Recluse!!" Seeing as how this was Arizona, it made some sense, but I was never convinced. Anyhow, I spent 6 days in the hospital being pumped with antibiotics before the infection would clear. Now, thanks to your post, my mind is now clear that the cause was not due to an insect bite, but probably a staf infection unrelated to the car, insects, my wife (well, maybe her..) or my family.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843309&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="U6-AMBAdGSfAULWFl5No_r847kKcn0DqqRI9AhV81GY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">koyote_ken (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843309">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843310" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313053466"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I used to have a tarantula that was quite aggressive, and would have bitten me given the chance, but to the best of my knowledge I've never been bitten by a spider. I have woken up in the morning with a dead spider in the sheets, and remembered that something was tickling my legs at night. Poor thing must have wandered into my bed thinking it was a safe place to hide, only to be squished as I rolled around at night. It didn't bite me, or at least there was no noticeable effect if it did. </p> <p>I also had a jumping spider in my truck while I was camping in it near Moab. It jumped from a pile of clothes to the ceiling in the truck when I moved, so I raised a stainless steel plate up underneath it, which it obligingly dropped onto, so I could then let it out. </p> <p>And I definitely agree with kickabout that "spiders bug me far, far less than mosquitoes". Those nasty little things have bitten me thousands of times, and they do carry some pretty nasty diseases (West Nile virus up here, malaria and other horrible diseases elsewhere).</p> <p>-mark.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843310&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KN_ckaeFVHiU7RpkDpbWsdASkZ1H8qHsKuQPBJc6YEk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rfguy (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843310">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843311" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313056167"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Peter Parker actually had a staph infection?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843311&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WnymQrO6qs93b9v1Ak_VtoW2P3OxWub6ifNGKXjBENs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Algerine (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843311">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843312" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313056985"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How would the victim get the MRSA infection? Just pricking herself on something and either having the Staph already on her skin or exposing the broken skin afterward? Or is it possible to get the MRSA infection without a break in the skin?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843312&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BrHyHzMjMjPrBP_ZH4wg78K7hTi1CqpYI7JQGU7B0SQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Robert Thille (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843312">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843313" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313061028"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Robert, it is possible to get an infection even without broken skin, though they're much more commonly associated with pre-existing wounds.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843313&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i2joDcG-LGiDGrEN8zlqzpko4teJ59zO4oM00IGeeMA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843313">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843314" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313072106"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I recently was bitten by a spider in my sleep. And if it wasn't a spider, I'm not so sure I want to know what it was. There were two puncture wounds that eventually ended up blistering and swelling something awful. It hurt a little bit, but the worst part was the intolerable itching. I don't know if that was a direct result of the bite or if my hyperactive immune system identified it as an allergen, but ugh....I'm glad it's gone now, save for a fading scar. It took about a month to go away and that was with keeping it very clean and in a healing environment.</p> <p>The only spiders that I've seen around where I sleep are jumping spiders, orb weavers, and those long skinny spindly ones that like to hang out in basements (not sure what they're called). I know the orb weavers are pretty docile, but I've read that the varieties of the latter two can give nasty bites sometimes, though nothing requiring medical intervention except occasionally in vulnerable individuals (e.g. infants)</p> <p>I was pretty surprised when researching my awful spider bite to find out what you just posted above though. It turns out all those painful "bites" on me throughout the years were probably not from spiders at all, though I do suspect some sort of insect for the majority.</p> <p>When I tell people that say they have a spider bite that it's probably something else, they seem offended....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843314&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_Od3xmtwgbZlXm6KEPjBs1Nfg4iWbmJbqv093ulovsw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bethistopheles (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843314">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843315" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313074813"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The "spider bite" of Baltimore is even less likely to be a spider and we basically translate it straight into "skin-popping" for the chart.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843315&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nyPL51qR6CkpC-qjshO61NXyln6t25jF9zq5ny_UdN8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MarkH (not verified)</a> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843315">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843316" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313089149"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I suspect that in some communities doctors call any small red, inflamed spot that won't heal a 'spider bite'. Far less likely to cause a panic than telling them it's MRSA that might, with a heaping help of bad luck, cause their limb to liquefy and fall off. Standard treatment for these 'spider bites' is the same as treating a MRSA infection. Minus the panic. </p> <p>Back in the 60s people felt roughly the way they panicked when they heard the diagnosis of cancer. There were all sorts of euphemisms used to avoid telling people they had the big-C. A popular one was their having an 'abnormal growth'. </p> <p>I was reading a blog dealing with field medicine in remote locations and the medic claimed the standard treatment for such things, because antibiotics are extremely hard to get, was to rig a dilute chlorine bleach drip to irrigate the area and keep it saturated until the infection clears. Once cleared standard wound management was started. He claimed it worked well as lion as the patient was otherwise healthy. </p> <p>I'm no expert but assuming your standard festering third-world hole and a chronic shortage of hygiene and medicine it sounded like a plan. I realize you can't make medical calls but it would be great to hear what an expert on staph has to say about what strikes me as a unconventional treatment plan.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843316&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="npGX7kDxvfqi7_4VbLlQI3U6T2kFp5I3rb2sxLIk3bs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Art (not verified)</span> on 11 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843316">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843317" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313169757"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tim: I believed I had spider bites for the reasons you claim plus one more -- when I got rid of the spiders behind my bed, the recurrent bites stopped cold. It's not a lock-solid case, but it does seem logical.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843317&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RiV7mSItd1OntFPqDFn4KfAYezmyNmm_1Qt1Zo4lfg8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">caia (not verified)</span> on 12 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843317">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843318" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313221209"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Those of you who reported multiple bites in the night that were intensely itchy thereafter were bitten by the dread "kissing bug" Triatoma sanguisuga, a fit subject for the next blockbuster horror movie!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843318&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OC0benXtZaC-17V55d2XWiK33vXS3fJNEfbXlaUuM1o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bruce Morgan (not verified)</span> on 13 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843318">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843319" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313260774"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In my twenties, I once put on a spring dress that had been hanging in my closet in Oregon all winter, and went to work. Shortly after I sat down at my desk, I felt a sharp sting on my thigh. I ran into the bathroom and lifted up my skirt and found a five inch circular bruise on my leg. I took off my dress and shook it, not finding any spider, and went back to work. Within an hour I started to feel a edgy and feverish and slightly dizzy. I worked all day and went home and never went to see a doctor. I felt sick for a day or two and then recovered. The bruise, however, lasted two or three months, gradually changing colors and finally clearing up. Based on the suddenness of the attack, and my feeling of having been poisoned, I am pretty sure it was a spider bite.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843319&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="40J4BmQQNjvCO9x4NTr8GBD7tRw3EmyDiXABNaieOwc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dede (not verified)</span> on 13 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843319">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843320" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313331774"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Better than waking up out of a sound sleep after a wasp sting. We commonly have Polistes wasps come in the house in the fall to overwinter and ending up crawling under the covers with you or dropping off the ceiling onto the bed in the middle of the night. Talk about jumping out of your skin!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843320&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AcDDWoZlJrs-J_QA5G9RFadPv0gr5BnOY0Jqz4GpJEo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">evodevo (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843320">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843321" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313397267"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've spent years trying to convince friends that the red bump on them wasn't really a spider bite. Then my MIL got bit by something large enough to leave two visible fang marks on her leg and cause a huge nasty necrotizing reaction. It's the one and only time I've argued for a spider bite - she ended up going to the ER that day as the swelling spread more than 1 inch an hour. The doctor agreed, and guessed brown recluse. But we'll never know, because we never saw the beast.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843321&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="r_yNuuwApNgRkl8Y5RoeZUZ3D4X6C0TeYcDFD5T--0w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">BlondMaggie (not verified)</span> on 15 Aug 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843321">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843322" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1317643435"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I wonder what nasties may be transmitted from the surface of the fangs by even non poisonous spiders.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843322&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="itmiQXnX349wxeM7Cwqcg_zId34Zif1G4abv0nQtqI0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">porchmonkey (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843322">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843323" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322701218"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was bitten by a brown recluse while sleeping. After extensive research I found out that they carry the flesh eating disease and have migrated to almost all parts of the U.S. These spiders live for 7 years and are resistant to most pesticides.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843323&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zL6qaFPquCHvj0uGIzMrLeD5iIaWqyV4hu_TAWugIgY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Suzanne Rosenorn (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843323">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843324" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1326415856"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I know roaches can bite you and it looks like spider bites. I saw it on the show "Billy The Exterminator". There was a house that was so infested with roaches that there was a mouse that died and you could see the roaches eating it to the point where it was nothing but bones. They are especially dangerous to people with diabetes because most people don't feel them biting their legs, which get infected. Fleas bite too and sometimes the bites look like spider bites. All people have staph on their skin, it just takes a poke or scratch to open the skin and let the infection in.The spiders with the really long legs are what we call daddy longlegs and are not poisonious to humans because our skin is too thick for their fangs to puncture, but they are deadly to roaches and other bugs, so I don't mind them in the house.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843324&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z5osO18lw981Ssq8x2W5nsQgkfVPReMd_ShF4N_YuP0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Minnie Spencer (not verified)</span> on 12 Jan 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843324">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843325" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1349110568"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am quite confused by the ignorance of so many MI residents and doctors related to the diagnosis of brown recluse spider bites. I currently have a roommate that rents my basement. My home is only 17 yrs old and has a very nice finished basement area. The roommate is a veteran around 60 yrs old and not in the best of health. About one month ago, the roomate advised he had a spider bite on his rt forearm and it was very infected. He saw a doctor and was treated with antibiotics and it healed after a couple weeks. The roommate used a spider 'bomb' in the basement to kill any spiders hanging around. A couple days ago this roommate advised of another spider bite. The location was exactly the same as the first but on the lt forearm this time. Roommate was started on antibiotics again and was scheduled to return to VA in a couple days to have the 'bite' lanced. At his appt he was told he was definitely bit by a brown recluse spider. The doctor cut out a decent size area of his forearm and sent him home with more anti optics and bandages. When my roommate starting telling me about the extent of the infection I asked if it was MRSA. He of course said the doctors confirmed it was a brown recluse spider bite and pulled up pictures on the Internet to show him proof. I WAS SHOCKEd!! I can't imagine how a doctor could determine that a patient was bit by a brown recluse, in Michigan, twice in a month, in the same exact location but opposite sides of the body, without any signs of a spider, ever!!!! Now I am tiptoeing around my own house sanitizing everything!! How does a medical professional not know about the non-existence of brown recluse in MI and the rarity of a spider bite to begin with?? This roomate works in a bar and is always leaning his forearms on the bar as he stands. His skin is very thin and I can only surmise he had a tear in his skin and MRSA entered. How do I convince my roommate to address this further with his doctor? And how do I suggest he take extreme precautions not to spread the infection to the rest of the household without treating him like a leper?? Panic has taken me over!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843325&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oIGLEL3GVJixhcLxGgHrBSIKld5P7w4OF2qMRjitSt8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alicia (not verified)</span> on 01 Oct 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843325">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843326" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1403875392"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I had a deer tick removed on my upper left shoulder close to the neck within 8-12 hours, washed it, put iodine and anti-bacterial cream on it. This was on the 4th. On the 17th or 18th, about two weeks out, I had what appeared to be a bite surrounded by a very dark red rash, no bullseye, on my inner left thigh, which developed on the 19th through the 24th into light red splotches of rash all over my body. I froze the small deer tick and saved it for analysis. On my visit to the doctors they indicated that it probably was the deer tick bite that caused the rash, not a spider bite, and they took blood samples and put me on the antibiotic used for treating Lyme disease for 21 days. I am still on it and the rash is disappearing after the 3rd or 4th day so far. I have not received the report on the Lyme disease sample and will on July 1 - 27 days out from the tick bite; however, the test may no0t show positive until several weeks after the bite and this sample was taken almost 3 weeks - 20 days - after the bite.<br /> I observed a puncture "bite" in the center of the dark red rash. Why could this have not been an insect? What else could cause a puncture mark that itched? None of the other light red rashes - some semi-circular with light "bullseyes" with no puncture marks itch. The nurse asked me if I ever had MRSA. I have not. Could this be a staph infection of some type coincidental with the tick or "spider" bite?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843326&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qE28cPW9ZZj5OryOiECYunUdfWIuUBFQ9UVtZT8R_5w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">James R Pitcher Jr (not verified)</span> on 27 Jun 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843326">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843327" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441127357"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Okay... but every one of my "spider bites" is in pairs. Two bumps, not just one. And in various places -- my hand, my foot, my back, my stomach. All in pairs. Uneven pairs, like one fang had a lot more poison than the other, but still. I can't think of why staph or some other bacterial infection would consistently come in pairs like that, even if that would otherwise be a more likely explanation for the blisters that have formed a couple days after the itching and redness started.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843327&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b8j21B8FfKBjriIK92QC0nQQk_d5LOYYVTc1KYTlFTg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anna (not verified)</span> on 01 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843327">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2011/08/11/its-not-a-spider-bite%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:00:00 +0000 tsmith 57996 at https://scienceblogs.com ASM-ESCMID conference on methicillin-resistant Staph in animals https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/06/17/asm-escmid-conference-on-methi <span>ASM-ESCMID conference on methicillin-resistant Staph in animals</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As I <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/02/methicillin-resistant_staph_in.php">mentioned previously</a>, I'm heading up organization of this conference, which will take place September 8-11 in Washington, DC. The <a href="http://asm.org/index.php/meetings/2nd-asm-escmid-conference-on-methicillin-resistant-staphylococci-in-animals-veterinary-and-public-health-implications.html">abstract submission deadline</a> has just been extended another week until next Friday, the 24th, so there's still time to send in an abstract. Hope to see many of you in September!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Fri, 06/17/2011 - 07:30</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/conferences-and-meetings" hreflang="en">Conferences and meetings</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animals" hreflang="en">animals</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antibiotic-resistance" hreflang="en">Antibiotic resistance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/conference" hreflang="en">conference</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mrsa" hreflang="en">MRSA</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2011/06/17/asm-escmid-conference-on-methi%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:30:00 +0000 tsmith 57999 at https://scienceblogs.com Nick Kristof on our food supply https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/06/12/nick-kristof-on-our-food-suppl <span>Nick Kristof on our food supply</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nick Kristof has an <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/opinion/12kristof.html?_r=1">op/ed in today's NY Times</a> noting some sober statistics about the food we eat: that it <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no5/mead.htm">puts 350,00 people in the hospital and kills 5,000</a> in the U.S. every year. He also cites three of our papers examining MRSA and swine/swine facilities. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Sun, 06/12/2011 - 04:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/policy-0" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/food-safety" hreflang="en">Food safety</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mrsa" hreflang="en">MRSA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/nick-kristof" hreflang="en">Nick Kristof</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ny-times" hreflang="en">NY Times</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/policy-0" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843332" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307872838"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>For those of us who like to eat raw veggies and salads, there is a simple way to almost-guarantee safety: soak the food for 20 minutes in diluted dish soap or dilute chlorinated water. Rinse thoroughly, and enjoy. </p> <p>p.s. the dish soap taste DOES rinse off</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843332&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CpLR231bOYhXHV8tIJ3a1sR3gY-wpfWqYYInDKgp5So"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ColoPainClinic.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Douglas Kennedy DC (not verified)</a> on 12 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843332">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2011/06/12/nick-kristof-on-our-food-suppl%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:00:00 +0000 tsmith 57998 at https://scienceblogs.com When is MRSA not MRSA? https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2011/06/03/when-is-mrsa-not-mrsa <span>When is MRSA not MRSA?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>...when it contains a weird gene conferring methicillin resistance that many tests miss.</p> <p>Methicillin-resistant <i>Staphylococcus aureus</i> (MRSA) has become a big issue in the past 15 years or so, as it turned up outside of its old haunts (typically hospitals and other medical facilities) and started causing infections--sometimes very serious--in people who haven't been in a hospital before. Typically MRSA is diagnosed using basic old-school microbiology techniques: growing the bacteria on an agar plate, and then testing to see what antibiotics it's resistant to. This can be done in a number of ways--sometimes you can put a little paper disc containing antibiotics right onto a plate where you've already spread out a bacterial solution and see which discs inhibit growth, or sometimes you can grow the bacteria in a plate with increasing concentrations of antibiotics, to see when the drugs are high enough to stop growth. Both look at the phenotype of these bacteria--the proteins they're expressing which lead to the bacteria's drug resistance.</p> <p>However, these culture-based methods are slow--they can take days between when the patient first is seen by a doctor and the time the results come back from the clinical lab. For this reason, increasingly labs are moving to molecular methods, which are much quicker than the culture-based methods. Indeed, detection of the gene responsible for methicillin resistance, <i>mec</i>A, has been the gold standard for *really* identifying MRSA, even beyond phenotypic methods. </p> <p>A <a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2811%2970126-8/fulltext">new pair</a> <a href="http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/AAC.00187-11v1">of papers</a> demonstrate the limitations of this reliance. Like many science discoveries, this one started with a "huh, weird" moment. Investigators noticed that a number of their <i>S. aureus</i> samples were categorized as MRSA using the traditional phenotypic methods, but were negative when it came to the <i>mec</i>A DNA test. Genetic analysis showed that these isolates carried a different <i>mec</i>A gene, dubbed <i>mec</i>A<small>LGA251</small>. The investigators searched their isolate collection in England, and also worked with collaborators in Scotland and Denmark to search through their banks for additional <i>mec</i>A-negative MRSA, and found almost 70 isolates, including one dating back to 1975. (A second paper by a different group examined two isolates in Ireland). </p> <p>Now is when it starts to get really interesting. (Continued below) </p> <!--more--><p>Many of the isolates from England were of cattle origin--from milk samples. When these were typed, most of them were the same <i>spa</i> type (a way to type <i>S. aureus</i>, sequencing a repetitive region of the Protein A gene, which encodes a surface protein). These were t843. Why is this interesting? Because t843 is considered to be a "cattle" type of <i>S. aureus</i>. So sure, it makes sense that you'd find it in milk samples--that's a no-brainer. But it was also found in human samples in England, Scotland, and Denmark (including that previously-mentioned human isolate from 1975). A second paper also found t843 in a patient from Ireland, along with a closely-related <i>spa</i> type in a second patient (t373). What is this "cattle" strain doing infecting humans? The authors draw parallels to the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2009/01/mrsa_st398_in_us_swine.php">emergence of the "pig" strain of <i>S. aureus</i>, ST398</a>, that has also been found in humans and other animals (including dogs, horses, rats, and chickens). Is this another "animal" strain that's emerging in humans? Or is it a human strain that we've given to cattle, like we <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/tag/staphylococcus-aureus/">did with chickens?</a> The types found in humans and milk samples in the same areas match pretty nicely between humans and cattle (shown below, Figure 2 in the manuscript), suggesting local interspecies transmission. </p> <p><img src="http://download.thelancet.com/images/journalimages/1473-3099/PIIS1473309911701268.gr2.lrg.jpg" height="407" width="400/" /></p> <p>Looking over time, they also noted that the prevalence of this odd <i>mec</i>A gene increased over time in their database (2007-2010). It's still low--less than 1% of the samples--but what was also unique was that it was in other lineages besides the t843 strains. As in, at least 3 different lineages besides the one containing t843. So, it looks like this weird <i>mec</i>A<small>LGA251</small> gene is jumping around, inserting itself into all kinds of methicillin-susceptible <i>S. aureus</i>. ("Regular" <i>mec</i>A does this too so that wasn't completely shocking, but it was a surprise that it's had enough time to spread to 4 different lineages without ever being detected). </p> <p>Where does this leave us? We have to be careful and make sure we don't outsmart ourselves with our technology. For now, the benefits of using DNA-based identification methods still outweigh risks of missing weird MRSA since its prevalence is fairly low, but we need to be cognizant of the potential to miss isolates, and keep backing up our molecular methods with old-school cultures. We also need to periodically adjust our "gold standard" molecular tests to include novel findings like this new <i>mec</i>A. The authors note that in addition to their new findings, they also found several isolates "that had an MRSA phenotype but no <i>mec</i>A gene that could be detected by PCR (polymerase chain reaction)"--so there might be other unique <i>mec</i>A genes (or other resistance mechanisms) that remain undiscovered. </p> <p>Finally, this paper again makes me ever so jealous of the surveillance systems in other countries. In Denmark, for example, all MRSA are to be submitted to the <a href="http://www.ssi.dk/English.aspx">Statens Serum Institut</a>, where they type all of them. Now sure, Denmark is much smaller than the U.S., but even to have this type of surveillance state-wide is incredibly difficult here. Trying to compare between states? Even harder. So--do we have these strains here? Probably so, but it will be more hit-or-miss to find them. </p> <p>Edited to add: Scientific American <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mrsa-cows-humans">has an article on this as well</a>, where I weigh in.</p> <p><b>Citations</b></p> <p><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=Lancet+Infectious+Diseases&amp;rft_id=info%3A%2F&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=Meticillin-resistant+Staphylococcus+aureus++with+a+novel+mecA+homologue+in+human+and+bovine+populations+in+the+UK+and+Denmark%3A+a+descriptive+study&amp;rft.issn=&amp;rft.date=2011&amp;rft.volume=&amp;rft.issue=&amp;rft.spage=&amp;rft.epage=&amp;rft.artnum=&amp;rft.au=Laura+Garc%C3%ADa-%C3%81lvarez&amp;rft.au=Matthew+TG+Holden&amp;rft.au=Heather+Lindsay&amp;rft.au=Cerian+R+Webb&amp;rft.au=Derek+FJ+Brown&amp;rft.au=Martin+D+Curran&amp;rft.au=Enid+Walpole&amp;rft.au=Karen+Brooks&amp;rft.au=Derek+J+Pickard&amp;rft.au=Christopher+Teale&amp;rft.au=Prof+Julian+Parkhill&amp;rft.au=Stephen+D+Bentley&amp;rft.au=Giles+F+Edwards&amp;rft.au=E+Kirsty+Girvan&amp;rft.au=Angela+M+Kearns&amp;rft.au=Bruno+Pichon&amp;rft.au=Robert+LR+Hill&amp;rft.au=Anders+Rhod+Larsen&amp;rft.au=Robert+L+Skov&amp;rft.au=Sharon+J+Peacock&amp;rft.au=Duncan+J+Maskell&amp;rft.au=Mark+A+Holmes&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Biology%2CMedicine%2CHealth%2CMicrobiology%2C+Epidemiology%2C+Staphylococcus+aureus%2C+bacteria">Laura GarcÃa-Ãlvarez, Matthew TG Holden, Heather Lindsay, Cerian R Webb, Derek FJ Brown, Martin D Curran, Enid Walpole, Karen Brooks, Derek J Pickard, Christopher Teale, Prof Julian Parkhill, Stephen D Bentley, Giles F Edwards, E Kirsty Girvan, Angela M Kearns, Bruno Pichon, Robert LR Hill, Anders Rhod Larsen, Robert L Skov, Sharon J Peacock, Duncan J Maskell, &amp; Mark A Holmes (2011). Meticillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus with a novel mecA homologue in human and bovine populations in the UK and Denmark: a descriptive study <span style="font-style: italic;">Lancet Infectious Diseases</span></span> <a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2811%2970126-8/fulltext">Link</a> </p> <p><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=Antimicrobial+Agents+and+Chemotherapy&amp;rft_id=info%3A%2F&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=Detection+of+Staphylococcal+Cassette+Chromosome+mec+Type+XI+Encoding+Highly+Divergent+mecA%2C+mecI%2C+mecR1%2C+blaZ+and+ccr+Genes+in+Human+Clinical+Clonal+Complex+130+Methicillin-Resistant+Staphylococcus+aureus&amp;rft.issn=&amp;rft.date=2011&amp;rft.volume=&amp;rft.issue=&amp;rft.spage=&amp;rft.epage=&amp;rft.artnum=&amp;rft.au=Anna+C.+Shore1&amp;rft.au=Emily+C.+Deasy&amp;rft.au=Peter+Slickers&amp;rft.au=Grainne+Brennan&amp;rft.au=Brian+O%27Connell&amp;rft.au=Stefan+Monecke&amp;rft.au=Ralf+Ehricht&amp;rft.au=David+C.+Coleman&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Biology%2CMedicine%2CHealth%2CMicrobiology%2C+Staphylococcus+aureus%2C+MRSA%2C+epidemiology%2C+bacteria">Anna C. Shore1, Emily C. Deasy, Peter Slickers, Grainne Brennan, Brian O'Connell, Stefan Monecke, Ralf Ehricht, &amp; David C. Coleman (2011). Detection of Staphylococcal Cassette Chromosome mec Type XI Encoding Highly Divergent mecA, mecI, mecR1, blaZ and ccr Genes in Human Clinical Clonal Complex 130 Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus <span style="font-style: italic;">Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy</span></span> <a href="http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/AAC.00187-11v1">Link</a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a></span> <span>Fri, 06/03/2011 - 03:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-biology" hreflang="en">General biology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general-epidemiology" hreflang="en">General Epidemiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/staphylococcus-aureus" hreflang="en">staphylococcus aureus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/various-bacteria" hreflang="en">Various bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bacteria" hreflang="en">bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genetics" hreflang="en">genetics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/microbiology" hreflang="en">microbiology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mrsa" hreflang="en">MRSA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zoonoses" hreflang="en">zoonoses</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zoonotic-disease" hreflang="en">zoonotic disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/infectious-disease" hreflang="en">infectious disease</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/medicine" hreflang="en">Medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843250" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307098505"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great post on this interesting issue. Having been trained in classical microbiology, I have always been leery of over-dependence on genetic methods. Functional studies, even if they take a longer time, make more sense to me - and here is the perfect example: I would not hesitate to call an MRSA 'MRSA' if it grows comfortably in presence of methicillin; the presence of the <em>mecA</em> gene is predictive and corroborative, but not definitive - until the whole Staph genome is mapped AND the functionalities of its genes defined.</p> <p>Yes, I do understand the benefits of DNA-based identification, before anyone asks, heh-heh! :) But functional correlations of genetic features are important, as these studies show.</p> <p>As a side note to Tara regarding her final remark: I completely concur. At times it can be quite frustrating - from personal experience. In the US, it seems so difficult to get agencies to talk to each other. There are egos to soothe, politics to manage, turf-wars to steer around, and so forth. Doing any kind of surveillance studies from an academic institution requires pushing mountains while standing on tippy-toes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843250&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Tw3eHXyzH7hGxlGvC-lPF2pUiP4W_8_BdODL9mIIz1k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blogs.nature.com/kausikdatta" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kausik Datta (not verified)</a> on 03 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843250">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843251" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307113992"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interesting. Now imagine that DNA testing becomes the dominant way to decide which antibiotic to use. Won't bacteria then be under selective pressure that favors "decoy" mutations that point to the wrong antibiotic?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843251&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6APniS363hxJzr45fRf0zwOlhLDVFyE6dsMvJILR0wA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.donmonroe.info" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Don Monroe (not verified)</a> on 03 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843251">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843252" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307180034"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>We used to laugh at the Doc's who'd come to the lab and order stat micro results. Obviously, not to their face, beings it was in the Navy and all. But, it was hard not to. Their rank caused them to believe they were smarter than the lab tech and if they just yelled long enough, the tech would have to produce results. Having said that DNA testing has, from all reports I've heard been a real boon to medical treatment. Can some protocol be developed that would guide when testing should be done with both DNA and agar? I'm obviously rusty and perhaps I've missed something but it would seem that some standard being in place would be highly beneficial.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843252&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zv490pDZZ1g4NRl_VaLYh2c9ZLsnue8vTqkj_bI-Aw8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike Olson (not verified)</span> on 04 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843252">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="65" id="comment-1843253" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307191075"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The molecular tests can be modified to include these new mec types--either by adding a second set of primers, or redesigning the old ones so that they will be inclusive of the more diverse types. So yes, I don't think they will be going away anytime soon due to their speed, but their limitations need to be remembered by those who use them.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843253&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="M49Vet20Y9tmjCSnT5-b5WR3YeoTnyu-Kr8V8jmDnFo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/aetiology" lang="" about="/aetiology" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tsmith</a> on 04 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843253">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/aetiology"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/aetiology" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/me-and-pig-120x120.jpg?itok=nb6hvLpH" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user tsmith" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843254" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307318580"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Must say very well explained</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843254&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tE_Szwvb-87ahm50ppwsOpPuynD0RrjYmdk9FD7yYoM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sara Leopold (not verified)</span> on 05 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843254">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843255" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307546201"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am so appreciative of these varied resources that have been published for anyoneâs benefit.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843255&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gQo3CypWph6nUt8okUsd30NuuxSrw2ysRezhQ-9DmXA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.seedcatalog.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">heirloom seeds (not verified)</a> on 08 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843255">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843256" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307633458"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great work and sensible information on MRSA...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843256&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Oi6l905mrRUXmDpN_xGbPS0iXZC7TgkLnJKcCOPOaz4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aurmoth.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John (not verified)</a> on 09 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843256">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843257" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307701306"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, the era of relatively cheap whole-genome microbial DNA sequencing has arrived, so 'gold standard' typing tests based on sequence analysis of one or a few genes will soon be as obsolete as using plates of nutrients and antibiotics to determine strain type. This doesn't mean these methods should be abandoned, but in terms of determining relatedness, whole-genome approaches are far superior.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843257&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="igRz4VysqY1s-kSOzleIPsby0N547jvtjHklCEpOKdY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ike solem (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843257">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1843258" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307753797"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>great works and i m so happy for this varied resources.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1843258&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z7gcTiTzyN_cxUUiZ0Y6PUd2GchLLpNOKGeblhyULC8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">swayaminfotech (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/12696/feed#comment-1843258">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/aetiology/2011/06/03/when-is-mrsa-not-mrsa%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:00:00 +0000 tsmith 57990 at https://scienceblogs.com