comedy https://scienceblogs.com/ en Mike Adams attacks Jimmy Kimmel for "hate speech" https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/03/03/mike-adams-attacks-jimmy-kimmel-for-hate-speech <span>Mike Adams attacks Jimmy Kimmel for &quot;hate speech&quot;</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The last couple of days have been unrelentingly serious and depressing, with posts on the (probably) <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/02/27/the-wellness-warrior-jess-ainscough-has-passed-away/">preventable death of a young Australian woma</a>n named Jess Ainscough of a rare cancer because she made the mistake of choosing the quackery that is the Gerson protocol rather than conventional medicine. Unfortunately, the "natural health community" will almost certainly learn nothing from her story, in which Ainscough, facing the very unpleasant prospect of a radical amputation, instead chose Gerson therapy and became an evangelist for that particular form of cancer quackery and "natural healing." I felt sorry for her, even though I couldn't approve of how she potentially led people with cancer down the road of pseudoscience and quackery with her <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-gerson-protocol-and-the-death-of-jess-ainscough/">enthusiastic promotion of coffee enemas</a> and the rest of the nonsense Charlotte Gerson sells based on her father's protocol.</p> <p>I need to lighten up.</p> <!--more--><p>Who better to provide the comic relief from this thus far grim week than that buffoon of buffoons, Mike Adams? Even better, unlike Ainscough, who was herself a victim of whatever cancer quacks sold her on the Gerson protocol in the first place, Adams is no victim. He's also pissed off (his usual state of mind) Why is he so ticked off? Well, he's not happy with Jimmy Kimmel over this <a href="http://youtu.be/QgpfNScEd3M">bit he did Friday night on his show</a>:</p> <div align="center"> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QgpfNScEd3M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></div> <p>Normally, I don't watch Jimmy Kimmel, even on the now rare times when I'm up that late. (My wife and I tend to be so beat on Friday nights that our typical ritual on most Fridays is to order pizza, maybe with a glass of wine—or not—and then fall asleep with the dog on the couch by 10 PM.) I saw it Saturday morning, as it was making the rounds on social media, and I thought it was hilarious.</p> <p>Mike Adams was not so amused. doing that faux outrage schtick he does so well to fire up his minions against the evil depredations of big pharma and the government, he published a spittle-flecked rant (are there any other kinds from Mike Adams?) entitled <a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/048834_Jimmy_Kimmel_hate_speech_labels_anti-vaxxers.html" rel="nofollow">OUTRAGE! Jimmy Kimmel makes fun of vaccine-damaged children, revives hate speech bigotry on national TV</a>. I must admit, I was surprised it took him nearly four days to come up with this, but I did chuckle at the histrionic title of the post before I read a single word:</p> <blockquote><p> Throughout U.S. history, certain selected groups of citizens have been subjected to extreme verbal, judicial and even physical abuse at the hands of bigoted oppressors. The historical abuse of African-Americans -- subjected to generations of abusive language and racism that still lingers today -- was villainously summed up with a bigoted hate speech label I dare not utter here.</p> <p>Gay Americans were similarly subjected to the label of "f-@@-t," a hate-based derogatory slur invoked to demean a human being because of their sexual orientation. It was this campaign of verbal abuse and derogatory hate speech that helped give rise to violence against gays in America.</p> <p>Importantly, every effort to demean and denigrate a selectively targeted class of citizens -- whether for their skin color, their sexual orientation or their beliefs -- has been preceded by a campaign of verbal abuse intended to dehumanize that targeted group. The invocation and use of bigoted, derogatory labels lays the social and cultural groundwork for not only discrimination but even actual violence committed against the groups being targeted.</p> <p><strong>Racism and hate speech are wrong.</strong> It is morally, politically and socially incorrect to use hate speech labels in a derogatory manner in a civilized society. These terms are hate-based forms of speech meant to emotionally hurt and demean targeted groups of innocent people. Yet, astonishingly, it has now emerged in America that it is socially acceptable to use precisely the same bigoted hate-speech language against another group: children who are damaged by vaccines (and children who are unvaccinated). This group is now being widely and aggressively disparaged with the hate-based term "anti-vaxxers." </p></blockquote> <p>Did you watch the video? I did. Kimmel didn't make fun of any children, "vaccine-injured," autistic, or neurotypical, or otherwise. Not at all. Rather, he made fun of "antivaxers," basically mocking their sense of entitlement and, above all, their apparent belief that their Google University knowledge trumps the actual knowledge of doctors, using a rather hilarious fake public service announcement with doctors complaining about this and using slightly profanity-laced exhortations to parents to get their kids vaccinated. It was an excellent deconstruction of the Dunning-Kruger effect that makes antivaccinationists antivaccinationists.</p> <p>Kimmel's five minute comedy bit is not "hate speech," although complaining about "<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/01/27/quoth-katie-tietje-pro-vaxers-are-so-mean/">hate speech</a>" or "<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/11/01/bullying-over-vaccines/">bullying</a>" has become the go-to whine from antivaccinationists facing criticism for their choices, a whine that's become even more intense in light of the Disneyland measles outbreak since Christmas. <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/04/23/criticism-is-not-hate-speech/">Criticism of pseudoscience and quackery is not "hate speech."</a> It's just not. For one thing, hate speech usually involves attacking groups who are the way they are through no choice of their own. Think attacking Jews or African-Americans on the basis of their religion or race. Think attacking homosexuals because of their sexual orientation. Yes, those are the examples Adams used, but how is one of these things (antivaccinationists) not like the others (blacks or homosexuals)? That's right. Antivaccinationists choose to be antivaccinationists. Also, blacks and gays do no harm to society by being black or gay. Antivaccinationists, through their choices not to vaccinate, are largely responsible for the resurgence of diseases once thought vanquished—like measles.</p> <p>Not that that stops Adams when he's on a roll even more ridiculous than one of his typical rants:</p> <blockquote><p> In a stunning demonstration of demeaning hate speech targeting children who have suffered brain damage from vaccines, comedian Jimmy Kimmel unleashed a satire comedy hit piece that, fifty years ago, would have almost certainly seen Kimmel making fun of black people. Twenty years ago, he would have been making fun of gay people. But today, in 2015, Jimmy Kimmel directs his ignorance, bigotry and demeaning hate speech toward vaccine-damaged children who are now labeled "anti-vaxxers." </p></blockquote> <p>Given that Adams brought race into this, you know where this is going; that is, if you've been following this blog at least since August and recall the kerfuffle over the trumped up "CDC Whistleblower" manufactroversy:</p> <blockquote><p> Not only is Jimmy Kimmel using bigoted hate speech language to demean crippled children who were damaged by vaccines; he's also doing so in a manner that is utterly ignorant of the special risks posed to African-Americans by vaccines.</p> <p>It was Dr. William Thompson, a top CDC scientist, who blew the whistle on the CDC's vaccine research fraud last year, going public with his confession that the CDC knowingly covered up data <strong>linking vaccines to an increased risk of autism in young African-American boys</strong>. </p></blockquote> <p>Except that the CDC study in question <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/08/22/brian-hooker-proves-andrew-wakefield-wrong-about-vaccines-and-autism/">showed nothing of the sort</a>, and there's no credible evidence of a "cover up," just the stress-induced claims of a single CDC psychologist whose claims have gained no traction and failed to be corroborated. This whole kerfuffle came to be known among antivaccinationists as the "<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/?s=%22CDC+whistleblower%22">CDC whistleblower"/#CDCWhistleblower</a> saga. Let's just put it this way: <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/10/23/brian-hooker-and-andrew-wakefield-send-a-complaint-to-the-cdc-about-its-vaccine-research-everyone-yawns/">Andrew Wakefield glommed</a> onto this fake controversy. That ought to tell you all you need to know.</p> <p>Adams even invokes a <a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/048804_Gandhi_vaccines_famous_quote.html" rel="nofollow">statement by Mahatma Gandhi</a>, who, if the reference is accurate, was apparently amazingly ignorant about vaccination, leading me to wonder: Where did Gandhi get his medical degree? (For a more skeptical take on Gandhi's views on vaccines, <a href="http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/26525/did-gandhi-call-vaccination-a-barbarous-practice">check this out</a>.) On a scientific basis, I care no more what Gandhi said about vaccines than what Mike Adams says, things like:</p> <blockquote><p> Vaccines, it turns out, are a form of medical violence against children for the simple reason that they provably cause extreme, permanent damage in many children year after year. But medical violence isn't the only violence that Jimmy Kimmel now seems to be promoting... he's also provoking individual acts of violence against so-called "anti-vaxxers" through his emotionally-charged, hate-filled rhetoric disguised as comedy.</p> <p>Historically, it was the public tolerance of hate speech against African-Americans and gays that encouraged some people to engage in violent acts against them. After all, a group of people who are verbally belittled with derogatory and bigoted hate speech by public figures is an easy target for those with violent tendencies. </p></blockquote> <p>Oh, please, Mr. Adams. Pot. Kettle. Black. This nonsense is from a man who routinely refers to scientists as being the equivalent of "Nazis" (no, actually, he <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/07/25/how-they-view-us-mike-adams-and-kent-heckenlively-edition/">likened Monsanto and pro-GMO advocates explicitly to Nazis</a> and strongly implied that it would be right to kill them for their "heinous crimes," starting up and later shutting down a site called "Monsanto Collaborators") and castigates <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/05/12/science-is-evil/">science itself as evil</a>, while ranting against big pharma. Hypocrisy, thy name is Mike Adams (among others). By Adams' own definition, he engages in hate speech himself far beyond any accusation he can come up with against Jimmy Kimmel in his fevered imagination. It's just another example of what a joke Mike Adams is. Unfortunately, he's an influential joke.</p> <p>Over the last few years, antivaccinationists have tried to liken themselves to traditionally oppressed or discriminated against groups, such as blacks, gays, or others in a transparent ploy to deflect criticism and paint it as "oppression." Adams' little screed takes that technique and hilariously puts it on steroids and cranks it up to 11. (Yes, when it comes to Adams, I like to shamelessly mix metaphors.) It's over-the-top, even by Mike Adams' standards.</p> <p>For Mike Adams, it's always, "Do as I say, not as I do."</p> <p><strong>ADDENDUM:</strong> Jimmy Kimmel now <a href="http://youtu.be/i2mdwmpLYLY">has a followup</a>. It's hilarious, as Kimmel shows actual Tweets directed at him and lets antivaxers advocate for a "child's right to choose":</p> <div align="center"> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/i2mdwmpLYLY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></div> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a></span> <span>Tue, 03/03/2015 - 01:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine-nonsense" hreflang="en">Antivaccine nonsense</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/autism" hreflang="en">autism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quackery-0" hreflang="en">Quackery</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/television" hreflang="en">television</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine" hreflang="en">antivaccine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hate-speech" hreflang="en">hate speech</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jimmy-kimmel" hreflang="en">Jimmy Kimmel</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mike-adams" hreflang="en">Mike Adams</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/monsanto" hreflang="en">monsanto</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/nazi" hreflang="en">Nazi</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/racism" hreflang="en">racism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vaccines" hreflang="en">vaccines</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/television" hreflang="en">television</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/social-sciences" hreflang="en">Social Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288864" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425364271"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>At least Mike Adams is known to all by his real name.<br /> Perhaps "orac" has something to hide.<br /> From this infantile polemic, that is what I would choose to believe.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288864&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xpUNZ9e98Uo_VMQ78LjHzUC6CrQXmfdy0bjuxjM5pMQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tim (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288864">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288865" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425366005"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Silly Tim. The answer is right here on this very blog for any who figure it out, and it's not hard to figure out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288865&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T5UUuvhQ2t5wT27NzPMo3_PCR8cZ3sJWtTnO_Ryl3uY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288865">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288866" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425366403"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yeah, it's just what they do. They hide behind the children. If you challenge the crooks, quacks and charlatans, or the lying parents who enter their kids in clinical research in order to launder their legal claims into scientific "evidence", they dodge behind the kids.</p> <p>Even, as you point out in this case, no mention was even made of "vaccine damaged children".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288866&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tGthysFgoQbcCWTXVehoalb7WNQVyDp9yFPmv8Perlk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brian Deer (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288866">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288867" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425366671"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mike Adams is a moron regardless of the name he chooses. Orac has a real identity known to anyone with an iota of curiosity and a google iq above 20.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288867&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mN8wTkEupmKXm4DFMIqXnmKBPNlYsO41kUyNVO1IHn4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MikeMa (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288867">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288868" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425367119"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't think there are enough movie screens within 30 miles of me to match Mike Adams for projection.</p> <p>I saw that clip over the weekend, on an economics/finance blog where I lurk. One thing the host of that blog and Orac have in common is a low tolerance for willful idiocy, which is what almost all of this anti-vax nonsense is. And no, it does not attack helpless children, only adults who are willfully endangering helpless children (who are too young to get the vaccine).</p> <p>It would have been reasonable for a few years around the turn of the century (after Wakefield et al. published that infamous <i>Lancet</i> paper, but before the hypothesis was disproven and the paper shown to be fraudulent) for a layman to wonder if there was anything to the claims linking autism and the MMR vaccine. That window is now firmly shut. And people like Adams keep on running into that window like birds colliding with glass skyscrapers. Except that birds who survive that experience learn from it. Adams et al. proudly learn nothing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288868&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RKaTkv5hHjlVaLAbmcz0dFs4MIeljg2LhzOVpeFhHNM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288868">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288869" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425367232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, I was <i>so</i> hoping Jimmy Kimmel's hilarious "public service announcement" would find its way into a RI post. Even if it had to come with a side order of Mike Adams, you just made my day :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288869&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nbYT3ljjWSHfiw-cmkip4xu9RSQqLACcQ1iZ_sp8HjY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sarah A (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288869">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288870" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425367363"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Tim #1 - I am an occasional visitor and despite that I have learned Orac's "secret" identity long ago. But for the sake of an experiment I checked if there's any clue about it on this very site. And lo and behold - you're but one click from learning everything you need to know.</p> <p>Hint - there's a certain pseudonym highlighted in blue on this site. It's a hypertext.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288870&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T3Y9ISFiF6QgfYMkMHSj-6MDT_xNrQ8hvCkbRoGmXpg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">The Smith of Lie (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288870">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288871" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425367422"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Oh, I was so hoping Jimmy Kimmel’s hilarious “public service announcement” would find its way into a RI post. Even if it had to come with a side order of Mike Adams, you just made my day :)</p></blockquote> <p>Then you should thank Mike Adams for his epically stupid rant about the Kimmel bit, because before that I hadn't planned on doing anything more than Tweeting the video and posting it on my Facebook wall (both of which I did over the weekend).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288871&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xZejcR-ekihYn7TfB7RkOJXmmRenKz9yvhnGST5V4Qs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288871">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288872" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425367653"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>At least Mike Adams is known to all by his real name.</i></p> <p>And how do we know that Mike Adams is not a fictional character?</p> <p>Oh yes, that's right. Fictional characters have to be believable. Unlike Mike Adams.</p> <p>P.S. Orac maintains another blog on which he uses his real name. He's also on Twitter, again using his real name.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288872&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NotZEZdYFVTf_HQyF5VSOpCFWSMKO_-e_3Fa9wC_c3I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288872">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288873" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425368972"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Why is it that people such as Mike Adams equate an opinion different from theirs as "hate speech" and "bigotry"? The more I delve into this whole quagmire of "alternative", the more amazed I am at how intolerant, close-minded, and biased the advocates of alternative "medicine" are. And it's not just the rot they're expounding, it's the arguments they use to expound the rot. They take such fantastic leaps of "logic", that I'm left bemused by how the hell they got to B from A based on the data they've offered as "proof".</p> <p>So, yes. When you put yourself out there like that with the drivel you're supporting; you can expect to get lampooned. But nowhere have I seen anyone critical of antivaxxers poke fun at the children they've put at risk.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288873&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mdpaxE1c6A2ip12XT-qNQaR8z4gsutqGsS6rnwjL2KA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SelenaWolf (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288873">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288874" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425371124"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Adams uses hyperbolic crap like this to protect his payment stream. He has a ready band of loons willing to believe pretty much anything he says, without evidence or even a modicum of critical thought. If he didn't poke them now and again, they might look elsewhere for lies and crazy. Where would Mikey be then?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288874&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Y3RJqnfVdboyDhREtSaLlOkEbBWTtNwuJHVfbF0zdEo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MikeMa (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288874">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288875" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425371150"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A few things...</p> <p>- I think the reason these people eternally harp on *the children* ((shudder)) is because no one would have any interest in what they have to say otherwise.</p> <p>Would anyone- even their friends and cohorts- ever read their book or posts if they weren't about _ the children_?</p> <p>They have very little to say.</p> <p>- Yesterday, Null ranted about the same television spot as well ( tape is not yet up on PRN). Of course, he used his "science" to support his opposition to vaccines as he always does. Why didn't Kimmel have a person with an opposing view in the skit, he asked cluelessly.</p> <p>- Mikey is trying to drum up interest in his latest project, Food Rising: for the uninitiated, he has 'invented' a hydroponic system that will revolutionise food production in the Third World and 3rd grade classrooms everywhere by printing his very own innovative 3D printed parts. He's getting people to donate money for the parts so he can send them to classrooms through his 'charity'<br /> .<br /> Unfortunately, for him, the only way he can get his audience interested in his writing is if he does what he did re Kimmel.</p> <p>- AND with great trepidation, fear and trembling even, I cautiously approach, the great and benevolent, *hostus with mostus*, our fearless and peerless leader, Orac.... both Dr and Mr,<br /> as a grammar n-zi, to say ( Draconis protect me!)<br /> because, dear Orac, correct me if I am wrong, but you said "on a role" when you meant "on a ROLL"-<br /> although that may be a pun because Mikey is such a role playing idiot and has us rolling in the isles.. I mean aisles and he is 'toast' after Orac gets done with him.</p> <p>I'm not a n-zi, really, I'm a liberal<br /> So I apologise but I HAD to say it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288875&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aOV1VflVD72Hdmg8Ecih43ttg3QXUo15F25eBGcDgkQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288875">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288876" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425372119"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Since the American Lung Association points out that African American men have a 34% higher incidence of lung cancer than white men, pointing out the dangers of smoking is obviously racist hate speech.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288876&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YQmH2fxh4kLvkPp_vMGMmnRs6Mcq41NObsoY5iTJnz4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">imr90 (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288876">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288877" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425373243"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's always educational and fun to read the comments on Mikey's particularly looney posts. Here's one:</p> <p>"Was it really Kimmel's opinion, or is it some of ABC's sponsers? Big pharma controls the national news broadcasts on all networks."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288877&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rFQXTsfTmtUte3ThiccmqxmJBV4-QnbFcjI-ysNDSvo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">lsm (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288877">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288878" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425373270"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Evidently Jimmy Kimmel had a followup, both reading tweets, and having this skit below:</p> <blockquote><p> Last week on the show we got a group of real doctors together to do a public service announcement urging parents to vaccinate their kids. While a lot of people enjoyed it - it also made a small group of people unbelievably angry. Jimmy believes strongly in vaccination - but in the interest of fairness, we gave our community activist team Jack and Becky some air time to express their anti-vaccination views. </p></blockquote> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16&amp;v=i2mdwmpLYLY&amp;app=desktop">https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16&amp;v=i2mdwmpLYLY&amp;app=desktop</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288878&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cIiKo24UnUs1vjObKpW8cLLH-qhgVfBLRf1W98nfJH4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">LIz Ditz (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288878">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288879" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425373433"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@SelenaWolf #10, I think that they *have* to be close minded. If they were open minded, then they would see that their ideas are mostly totally without basis. I have a good friend who is into 'natural' everything and constantly shuts me down if I even try to discuss vaccination (her youngest is 2, the same as mine). Sometimes she's rude about it too. She's lovely, but just will not entertain that she's wrong about her pro-disease stance. It's like any religion in that respect. I suppose that's why they feel 'persecuted', because their inaccurate and unfounded faith is consistently proved wrong, and us 'unbelievers' don't perceive that this is religious devotion rather than pseudoscientific anti-community quackery.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288879&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4qj1584xD50SOq33JqDcgm94KqJnJwl9AvMG1woS4lU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jeliwobble (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288879">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288880" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425373659"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jimmy has a new video up: Jimmy Kimmel's Update on the Anti-Vaccination Discussion</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mdwmpLYLY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mdwmpLYLY</a></p> <p>Worth the watch for sure!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288880&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-5rT2JTHTvCBM_0viGgVV3N1jJnkhaLXQ4YPNUWxaUs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Annie (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288880">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288881" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425374081"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm bemused at the notion of entitled white people (like Mike Adams, or affluent anti-vax parents) claiming they are subject to discrimination of a piece with that experienced by people of colour and Jews over the centuries.</p> <p>I mean, genuinely racist reactionary authoritarians (Limbaugh <i>et al</i>) often accuse people of "playing the race card" when they point out contemporary instances of racism or systematic discrimination, but I dare say Mike Adams <i>really is</i> "playing the race card".</p> <p>(You might say that "playing the race card" is something entitled white people do, either ironically <i>à la</i> Mike Adams, or, er, projection...ally (?) <i>à la</i> Limbaugh.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288881&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="x4edAyfNxryjWtrHpsWGng6NC2FCw5EgZ8h_4B3coVY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Composer99 (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288881">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288882" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425374211"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And of course, I learn that Mikey's latest charitable project is also a PRODUCT that you can buy at Natural News. He sells all of the 'mini-farm' parts, plant food and seeds.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288882&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9Tz8bY-MSMq1I1T1wcvOD5A_9wkYFqHwbeKdHZiKfeA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288882">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288883" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425374302"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, that followup video by Kimmel is also hilarious; so much so that I tacked it on as an addendum.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288883&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4ChIiECVrne2vhhpu8SQcvD0XBk6wnu8YumeONyUosQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288883">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288884" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425375117"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dehumanizing, violent hate speech anyone? A commenter right on Mike's post about hate speech suggests that bigPharma wants to depopulate the world through vaccines, and they would agree with that if it were people like the Rothschild cartel, et al. who were the victims:</p> <p>"They're sentient beings, I wouldn't go so far as to say human, but they do seem to be alive and children of their parents. They're scum, for sure, but still deserving of our compassion. Maybe we say a prayer for them as we cut their throats."</p> <p>And nobody at NN bats an eye.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288884&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZCtv3KAs9TpMXf0rDHswzniSKhmQDDhtXu2veIiT64o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">lsm (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288884">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288885" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425375224"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Maybe Tim couldn't figure out Orac's ID because it is SUPER secret. I used the concern troll language of all caps to help him out. Maybe he'll be super serial about figuring it out now.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288885&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nTku0XMqsgTr13Ymc4vOUw8AhgBzZeliEaIFHS6zQRc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">BA (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288885">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288886" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425375641"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Calling autistic people damaged is HATE SPEECH DANG IT AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE NOT DAMAGED! ARG! Hate natural nutwitlery.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288886&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZFAKUh73XjdrbD7eBDSiy_Xkb3v8ArRBLm-OBXDHKsk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chromesthesia (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288886">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288887" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425375977"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mike's ( and the others') continuous excoriation of vaccine advocates and SBM in general serves another less obvious purpose:<br /> it DISTRACTS his loyal audience away from questioning his own motives as well as his yearly earnings.</p> <p>SBM ( or governments, media et al) is populated by unbelievably corrupt, moey-hungry, devious, profiteering, psychopathic megalomaniacs who have absolutely no concern about the common person<br /> whilst Mikey et al are humanitarians, spiritually enlightened sages free of prejudice and hate.</p> <p>Since they have ALREADY called these tyrants out, how could they possibly be suspected of the same themselves?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288887&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CThYdy-wXZfftrUy2C7IMg0eGeUrLuG1n60GSfTWrog"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288887">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288888" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425376033"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That should be MONEY</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288888&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1Uus9LJopQJ2cCDxJJTdjif8I3Z66KqbS6LzdTPNSL4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288888">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288889" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425376679"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>These terms are hate-based forms of speech meant to emotionally hurt and demean targeted groups of innocent people.</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/12/24/in-which-mike-adams-gives-orac-an-unintended-christmas-present/">"It's like Christmas in Harlem."</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288889&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kGx9IKL9RPxejBVFTiu5UdZbMPOA8bb5conNNYAgxw0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288889">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288890" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425376916"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Right. And he included racist images in his videos- e.g. the vaccinating nurse in 'Vaccine Zombie' stereotypes black women.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288890&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jjdetG0CD2D36AND6cnWBveFM4suSYwkbZfv-t7mY3s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288890">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288891" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425376996"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Denice@24:</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288891&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ez1StsM_gc4gttItvYSPpUB5dRi8Nx4TjvNvowYIJYk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">has (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288891">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288892" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425377026"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tim: <i>At least Mike Adams is known to all by his real name.</i></p> <p>Well done, "Tim"! And thanks for your courage in fully identifying yourself. ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288892&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aSSlKoO3A1NlvafFOd9tg129IfU6xf5f1c_-Fd7UqLQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Christopher Winter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288892">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288893" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425377269"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Kimmel wins the anti-antivax Blue Ribbon. Those bits speak to a wide audience by using 'regular guy' humor, hoist the loonies by their own petards, and push public perception of them toward the fringe where they belong. The references to Google, Facebook, and (especially) forwarded emails in contrast to the educations of the doctors, and the everyday examples of.doctors' competency and trustworthiness (smoking, ER stitches, etc.) are spot on, and the doctors cast for the PSA are pretty much perfect.</p> <p>The reactions from Adams et al. just double-down on the wacko – whipping up the base, keeping them in line, seeking to supporting the cash flow by raising the buying activity of the already-committed customer base. But they're building an ever-higher wall between their little woo sub-culture and anyone with a whiff of "common sense".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288893&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dlxMoNtjN9mv3rDPapexhgdq50YVArCZFxqLGCtVbRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288893">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288894" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425379135"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Denice Walter@24:</p> <blockquote><p>Mike’s ( and the others’) continuous excoriation of vaccine advocates and SBM in general serves another less obvious purpose: it DISTRACTS his loyal audience away from questioning his own motives as well as his yearly earnings.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh, you Pharma Shills with your filthy $$$$$$$$ fixations. Unlike you, noble Mr Adams ONLY takes payment in kitten smiles and sunbeams!!!!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288894&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fHbEQhIUlbvsI3ybfrOQV7rJH6Uf6zl3awv1trh9HrM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">has (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288894">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288895" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425379625"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Selena Wolf: "But nowhere have I seen anyone critical of antivaxxers poke fun at the children they’ve put at risk."</p> <p>True. Even in the 'Slap,' (an American adaptation of the Australian show) the crunchy ultra-hippie parents are clearly portrayed as being the ones who turned their five-year-old into a spoiled monster. (The kid's about four or five, and he's still breastfeeding, so no way is he vaccinated.) The nice thing is that the parents are portrayed in an unrelentingly unsympathetic light- and this mirrors the way anti-vax parents are being treated by the press.</p> <p>Jeliwobble: Get out while you still can. She may be a lovely person, but in short order, she'll turn into an awful person who snarls about learning disabled children and anyone with a disability, runs a gluten-free house and ruins get-togethers for everyone.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288895&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lb7ChDrq6uem7cilAADg7fh4JJGO4K4wNpuNR8zE-L4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288895">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288896" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425379670"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>By the way – RationalWiki’s article on NaturalNews is our latest front-page featured article!</p> <p><a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews">http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews</a></p> <p>Mike is so delighted that he redirects <i>all</i> hits with rationalwiki.org as a referrer to an advertising page. (So we had to run our reference links through something to remove that.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288896&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1xW2FpQ6U1UPeSo3afwE8GeVV5VB4K9rN1hOobT8AZs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David Gerard (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288896">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288897" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425379923"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>RE: Second video. Never take a lollipop from an anti-vaxer. $10 says the lollipops had been pre-licked by a child with an active case of chicken pox. Natural immunity! FTW!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288897&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nfXO2y4gm_2BxqUtTUVPxY6ik-n8GGYIR3VINeATge8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SpaceTrout (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288897">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288898" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425380078"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The most revolting thing is that anti-vaxers throw the terms "bullying" and "hate speech" around whenever someone expresses a viewpoint different than theirs. It's such a smarmy, entitled worldview.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288898&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H2pW7eliIO-WuXktkMQXisY6b7ADBghODL4uThW2yZY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">a-non (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288898">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288899" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425384063"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Given that Adams brought race into this, you know where this is going"</p> <p>Godwin's law?</p> <p>Nope too high profile to put that card on the table.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288899&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7Vy8PGcrJO_wxQCspDXl3p7wooel2AwPZebeY0rl19o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Paul de Boer (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288899">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288900" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425385064"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was hoping that Kimmel would have brought up the Mike Adams article in his follow up. Either way, I have a new-found respect for Kimmel.<br /> Also, the basis of Mike's article is that Jimmy Kimmel is popularizing the term "anti-vaxxer", but unless I heard wrong he never used that term. He said something like anti-vaccination people, which sounds way less like a pejorative and more like a stance anyways.<br /> It was hard not to laugh at the part where Adams argued that Kimmel was advocating burning down the homes of anti vaccinationists, and suggesting the "parents of vaccine-injured children being beaten on the streets". I must have missed where Kimmel mentioned that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288900&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5KFuHLIN2jEEgEjbC-y4FdLLcfPoZa02C95rJFxWDy0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">R. Mutt (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288900">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288901" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425385091"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul -- never underestimate the depths to which Adams will stoop. They have yet to be plumbed fully.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288901&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UuQao_xNEdO7YKwD7A4btae9fqfuG0prkeLx7agj90w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288901">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288902" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425385446"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://thespudd.com/vaccine-against-stupidity-not-far-off-say-scientists/">The Spudd</a> is on the case, with a vaccine against stupidity.</p> <blockquote><p> “We are very excited about this, very hopeful,” says lead researcher Dr. James Kimmell. “The only thing we are concerned about is whether or not stupid people, i.e. anti-vaccers, will be willing to get the shot.”</p> </blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288902&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Fyk_8M3tC-OQWa33qFNRqgpslUW83xJyhUaeVcgkCRg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">LIz Ditz (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288902">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288903" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425386167"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The key difference between gay people or blacks and anti-vaxxers is that anti-vaxxers are harming society, including their own children. That would be equally true if it turned out that being anti-vax wasn't a choice, but the result of some weird infection. (Religious bigotry doesn't become acceptable when the people being slandered chose their religion as adults.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288903&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="72w53VmqF2juCHIL29bIX_WwdE6dkuF7H_2rRHyIJNI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vicki (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288903">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288904" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425386357"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Paul @38: We've seen Adams resort to <i>argumentum ad Hitleram before. It's not a stretch to imagine him going there.</i></p> <p>There is a reason why, in many statements of Godwin's law, the side that analogizes their opponents to Nazis is considered to have lost the debate. Mike Adams is a living embodiment of that reason.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288904&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qtrJIOniSqrBtaZTHg8WSDqnwBNMXu4x3mkD4sHWFPE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288904">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288905" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425388037"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Kimmel has been on a roll lately, pranking people with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75b2hTl2T2E">fake organic juice</a> and asking people <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdJFE1sp4Fw">about gluten</a>,</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288905&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JsHbBdk9OSQYEpCMODPek2YNaWQSqRz8uRssl_qXFJQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288905">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288906" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425388978"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is anyone aware of any updates regarding the fallout from Adams’ Monsanto Collaborators “call to violence” from last July? I searched RI, Neurologica, and GLP but can’t find anything new. There was some talk of FBI involvement. It would be unfortunate if that episode passed too quietly into the memory hole.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288906&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C2gGbqwk7cSBOwZT5CAuW3Heugv7h2avwa6h2aeK8F8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CTGeneGuy (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288906">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288907" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425390254"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Being a (mostly) stay-at-home mom who is too busy planning her next affair to consider giving my children diseases instead of immunity, I almost missed this. TV never happens, Facebook is a rare event and Twitter is entirely off the table; in short, RI is the short interlude of personal enrichment most days. Today, thanks to Mike Adams, my day is completely made. Space Trout @ #36 was the cherry on top. Thanks guys!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288907&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QVGdgb1iAFVRw9vYjbs-0oeIKIC2xCgIXHCImJGKtVU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kristina (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288907">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288908" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425390396"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ has:</p> <p>We like dollars in all of their multi-national variety altho' nothing is quite as weighty as the pound<br /> but the euro, tho' exceedingly crappy, will be accepted<br /> nevertheless.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288908&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-HHWdbUhmQ_yaoI16uGOw4Ay15Vyl22FKNRRHPobSpI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288908">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288909" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425390755"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Paul de Boer:</p> <p>Adams has used quite n-zi-ish illustrations whenever he discussed Obama and Obama-care and often, when depicting doctors or SBM as well. These are sprinkled amongst his entire oeuvre so it's hard to isolate them.</p> <p>His so-called 'cartoons' are on a site called 'Counterthink' which is apropos since it doesn't reflect anything that reasonably could be called 'thought'.</p> <p>Then, there are the videos of his uh... music.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288909&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="V_qUPFWPBKPT7n-faUAkGBvYPMU7E_jewijrPt2jQFo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288909">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288910" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425390810"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh and fancy that!<br /> A black n-azi.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288910&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uUOeN7tjKLRieZOZ2J_beubUQZOr6XFBj-RL0QieApo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288910">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288911" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425391582"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That follow up video is wonderful.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288911&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="x7rQizyLepkjeeyXrVUp07X2YeSSZhnvinuglfcaEoY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288911">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288912" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425391656"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just to clarify, if a baby cries, that's a no, right?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288912&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AjjlYeP4Okc92giEHwmjcIj1T-QX393el1npddtJ4WE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288912">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288913" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425391731"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"A commenter right on Mike’s post about hate speech suggests that bigPharma wants to depopulate the world through vaccines"</p> <p>Yeah, that is always a good one. Before vaccines you got plagues that would wipe out as much as 50%, or more, or a population. Since vaccines, the number of the people on the planet has doubled like what 23 years, more or less. Yeah, all those chemicals and vaccines are doing such a hugely effective job of "depopulating" the planet. lol</p> <p>Seriously, these people's nonsense is why the phrase, "not even wrong", was invented. Being wrong requires you still, at minimum, deal with facts and evidence in **this** universe, then, come to the wrong conclusion via poor logic. When you make up evidence, don't have any, and fail to apply even the basics of logic to reaching a conclusion, you're not just not right, you are, "not even wrong", i.e., on the wrong bloody planet, in the wrong universe, and addressing a non-existent problem, etc.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288913&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3QTWDPdszwbCjk2yDr_2I_ls8SwrQJOP1JTEqGiAdzA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kagehi (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288913">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288914" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425392343"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Dorit Reiss</p> <p>Hard to say. The follow-up study is really only applicable to children who are capable of understanding English, so it's not generalizable to non-verbal infants or to non-English speaking tots.</p> <p>Who knows. The wee babes could cry from joy at being protected.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288914&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PL1Q9Hm-8F6KilMsFIqhvypIopz7Tn4fBlm5IPihbLE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Todd W. (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288914">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288915" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425393220"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Todd W.: LOL.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288915&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="da-dlumVDxWBN2T_1BpcijRNJ1w90cpDmQ_rB8kJr6w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288915">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288916" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425399518"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow, just wow!<br /> The first few times I clicked on the link to the Health Deranger above I just got his "puff piece" on the 10 wonderful things that he and his ICP-MS had done for the world. That was hilarious, but clearly not what I was supposed to be seeing.<br /> But a minute or so ago - after I'd read the whole of Orac's column and most of the comments - the same link actually took me to the column by Mad Mike that our snarky blinking box of lights referred to. If Mad Mike hadn't gone straight to the argumentum ad Hitlerum, he was getting perilously close. And most of the commenters agree with him - even the mildest criticism gets dogpiled.<br /> One did ask if the photos were real, i.e. of "vaccine damage". I believe it's possible to search for photos on the Internet - perhaps some suitably skilled person can look and see where they originally came from.</p> <p>PS: Jerry Coyne, of "Why Evolution is True", has a post up this morning with the same pair of YouTube excerpts.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288916&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gHZzuhR87Pi8CM8PSW_u8ORfAhiTagcuy1RAiwMgi9Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Derek Freyberg (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288916">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288917" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425399723"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You know, I think I've made it in the world! Mike Adams is known for setting up redirects so that incoming traffic from certain sites goes straight to one of his ads or puff pieces. Maybe he's done that with this site. If that's the case, there's only one thing to do: Google Cache. Make a downloadable PDF of the offending post and put a link to it in mine. :-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288917&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nj8J1QThW7gPIRDfR2iaKcqaxxRAJwukTvCaeAlaQUk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288917">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288918" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425399982"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Derek Freyberg:</p> <p>One of the 'vaccine injured' photos is of a young woman who died ( I'm not sure from what cause) whose mother wrote a book about her and is affiliated with AoA.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288918&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Pp7bqsT5sNe5fQLd8PSYBwfGPTshyJNqm4S86eoFBU4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288918">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288919" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425401050"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Denice:<br /> It's the photos of children with various cutaneous conditions that I particularly suspect are "borrowed".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288919&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xLaghzeS54Kz7GIvZJTgb8vXFRLGoEhkahMxcdog-m8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Derek Freyberg (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288919">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288920" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425401564"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Narad@26 --</p> <p>To say nothing of:</p> <blockquote><p>The very premise that black people are systematically oppressed in modern-day America is a myth.</p></blockquote> <blockquote><p>Obama takes to the airwaves and claims racism remains so bad in America that Trayvon Martin could have been him, implying that even the President could have been shot by an angry Latino who the brain-damaged media continues to somehow call "white."</p></blockquote> <blockquote><p>The plan, of course, is to foment so much contrived hatred that America collapses into a massive race war that distracts everybody from the monumental failures of bad government.</p> <p>Detroit, a city largely run by Obama-supporting African-Americans, has collapsed into bankruptcy. The same kind of failed thinking that brought Detroit to its knees is now being unleashed by people like Al Sharpton -- the Don King of race-baiting hatred -- who is behind a new call for an economic boycott of Florida.</p> <p>This idea, just like most of the racism industry's ideas, make absolutely no sense. </p></blockquote> <p>Moral: All forms of bigotry and hatred and oppression are, a priori, aimed exclusively at Mike Adams, apparently.</p> <p>(All quotes from:</p> <p><a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/041283_racism_theater_Obama_mainstream_media.html#ixzz3TMiMAbnp">http://www.naturalnews.com/041283_racism_theater_Obama_mainstream_media…</a>)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288920&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HINuoadulgOCxgVMIQUgIQVg2pnLsfXG9fDxmDKjtK8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ann (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288920">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288921" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425402909"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have decided that every time anyone disagrees with me about anything I am going to call it hate speech.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288921&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="a7vRC__MovABN5_7TTsbMiZv5G60k8NpBW8-FXrLWp8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sullivanthepoop (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288921">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288922" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425403459"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Denice (57):<br /> I did a little mousing around, and there's a site called TinEye (<a href="http://www.tineye.com">www.tineye.com</a>) that does image searches without needing a program on your computer. I put the one of the body of the African-American child in, and it found it on an old CDC webpage - it's eczema vaccinatum from smallpox (it also found the same photo on around ten other sites, including everyone's friend whale.to and a bunch of other cranks).<br /> So Mad Mike is using a smallpox eczema vaccinatum photo as his horror story when he talks about Dr. Thompson's "confession" of vaccine-induced autism in black children.<br /> I'm old enough to have had a couple of smallpox vaccinations - you had to have them for international travel. But according to the CDC, routine smallpox vaccination in the US ceased in 1972 and travel vaccination in 1982. So, unless that child came into contact with a recently-vaccinated individual - and I believe US military personnel are still vaccinated - this is an old photo.<br /> So Mikey lies - but what's new there?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288922&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JTB2DkSRWd5XuMi2ojJs5N3mO_gh1eeP9HN9p14_BR0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Derek Freyberg (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288922">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288923" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425404462"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The plan, of course, is to foment so much contrived hatred that America collapses into a massive race war that distracts everybody from the monumental failures of bad government.</p></blockquote> <p>I.e., Obama is just recycling Charles Manson. Sharp thinking.</p> <blockquote><p>The same kind of failed thinking that brought Detroit to its knees is now being unleashed by people like Al Sharpton — the Don King of race-baiting hatred — who is behind a new call for an economic boycott of Florida.</p></blockquote> <p>I guess the AoA brain trust just thought that he'd be <a href="https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=site%3Aageofautism.com+%22al+sharpton%22&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;oq=site%3Aageofautism.com+%22al+sharpton%22">a useful stage nіgger</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288923&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gl6FT5OY69DRe8NFCmnkWN1y4FjVGKmQFICYh3CaQVU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288923">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288924" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425405283"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>For a more skeptical take on Gandhi’s views on vaccines, check this out.</p></blockquote> <p>Unfortunately, the quotes from <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/40373/40373-h/40373-h.htm#Page_104">the original</a> at the Stack Exchange link leave out some of the best parts, e.g.,</p> <p>"We are all terribly afraid of the small-pox, and have very crude notions about it. We in India even worship it as a deity. In fact it is caused, just like other diseases, by the blood getting impure owing to some disorder of the bowels; and the poison that accumulates in the system is expelled in the form of small-pox. If this view is correct, then there is absolutely no need to be afraid of small-pox. If it were really a contagious disease, everyone should catch it by merely touching the patient; but this is not always the case."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288924&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IvIQnfGaVGsaTxABoHhi7XDD0n5frmnwIdrQOfheGqo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288924">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288925" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425405318"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Derek: You're correct, the military still does smallpox vaccinations prior to deployments into certain regions (I had mine in 2004). They do a pretty good job of educating individuals on how to take care of it so nothing spreads beyond the vaccination site...but now and then you do find those special ones who play with the scab and go on to stick a finger in their eye, etc. You can't fix stupid...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288925&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rgYV_Vas0lXRUfxZmAV4ubL5bcm2YxARoQWKOWe_t0o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lenala Azhketh (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288925">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288926" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425405620"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ann, you wouldn't happen to have the text of that page in your cache, would you? Adams now has a server-side redirect from it to his "Top 10 Scientific Achievements" page. Now I'm really curious to read it, if it is something that embarrasses even him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288926&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sfZ0QpCGveiHTC7kN7BJyw0QThD-0tytzatodIR9Mxg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Daniel Welch (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288926">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288927" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425405755"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Of course, there's a certain irony in simultaneously invoking Gandhi and <a href="http://ofmi.org/gandhi-spreads-racial-hatred-of-africans/">making allusions to racism</a> (etc.).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288927&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NvRwwL3QcM0-MCRhu1FMuhQev66ghjw3qFTQH45qbNk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288927">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288928" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425406200"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Adams now has a server-side redirect from it to his “Top 10 Scientific Achievements” page.</p></blockquote> <p>Just delete the "#ixzz3TMiMAbnp" tracker.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288928&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HMlxrL9F4OqubjIEDwJrvQ6rTvBknbPvjLm-vG1tjec"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288928">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288929" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425407268"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Derek Freyberg #55</p> <p>You can do image searches as you described pretty easily through google. Google images has an option to copy or upload an image and return sites where that image exists. You should be able to save the images in question (right click -&gt; save image) and upload them into a google image search.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288929&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Norq5nZAY9tzek9cdy5Hp4ziS_5t3ReWGdEkjHRwYqc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">R. Mutt (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288929">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288930" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425409588"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Unfortunately, the quotes from the original at the Stack Exchange link leave out some of the best parts, e.g.,</i></p> <p>Perhaps the Table of Contents of Gandhi's book best conveys a sense of his profound, self-imposed ignorance of all post-medieval medical knowledge.</p> <p>Chap. I. The Meaning of Health 9<br /> Chap. II. The Human Body 11<br /> Chap. III. Air 14<br /> Chap. IV. Water 25<br /> Chap. V. Food 29<br /> Chap. VI. How much and how many times should we eat?55<br /> Chap. VII. Exercise 59<br /> Chap. VIII. Dress 64<br /> Chap. IX. Sexual Relations 69<br /> Part II: Some Simple Treatments<br /> Chap. I. Air Treatment 83<br /> Chap. II. Water Cure 86<br /> Chap. III. The Use of Earth 95<br /> Chap. IV. Fever and its Cures 98<br /> Chap. V. Constipation, Dysentery, etc. 101<br /> Chap. VI. Contagious Diseases Smallpox 104<br /> Chap. VII. Other Contagious Diseases 112<br /> Chap. VIII. Maternity and Child-Birth 117<br /> Chap. IX. Care of Child 121<br /> Chap. X. Accidents —Drowning 127<br /> Chap. XI. Do —Burns and Scalds 130<br /> Chap. XII. Do —Snake Bite 132<br /> Chap. XIII. Do —Scorpion-sting, etc.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288930&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kKXRlgptndbwrbJW_eZhvPDQHgkJiz5cKF8tKTaFB1U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288930">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288931" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425410881"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>You can do image searches as you described pretty easily through google.</p></blockquote> <p>Unless they're spurning your browser. I have change the user agent to IE9 to get the little camera icon to appear.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288931&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qlKVD_0UQqv8uRbmBiLQjKjKX-PdFXYqTSGI-rrw-Sk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288931">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288932" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425411079"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm not a dermatologist, so this is purely opinion - but I am suspicious that one of Mike Adam's 'vaccine-damaged' children pictured in his article is afflicted with itchyosis - which is a genetically-linked skin condition, not a vaccine injury. The fact that he posts disturbing pictures with no explanation of how vaccines caused the displayed injuries makes me think he has no reliable evidence at all.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288932&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xLrT1m04sfJZz_gbmFwhg-Mz0NnAMRr-bScK53xqGpI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julia (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288932">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288933" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425411187"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Just delete the “#ixzz3TMiMAbnp” tracker.</p></blockquote> <p>In retrospect, ignore that (although deleting those strikes me as a good idea in general); the suggestion is the same as to copy and paste the link, which has nothing to do with a redirect based on referrer.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288933&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BWnvkN4XDjQz93qfUPjOI6MxES9YRkHIyiNU-4iAi2M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288933">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288934" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425414024"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Daniel Welch @65: it's still <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140815232841/http://www.naturalnews.com/041283_racism_theater_Obama_mainstream_media.html">in the WayBackMachine</a>. I saved <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/o360xt35fillwvu/041283_racism_theater_Obama_mainstream_media.html.pdf?dl=0">a PDF of it</a> too just in case. I didn't read the whole thing but just reading his section headers it seems quite rank. Case in point "The myth of systematic oppression of blacks in America". Wow.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288934&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uaJ2ODmwgQyA5V0yW-zjHs9F7XWfGhnstiHuv0lviP8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">capnkrunch (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288934">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288935" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425415023"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In his newest article on how some vaccine-related We the People petition reached its signature goal despite the White House "censoring" and "oppressing" its signing, Mike Adams mentions that it was signed by "...Natural News readers and health freedom advocates who also forced Jimmy Kimmel to publicly respond to accusations that he thinks handicapped children who were permanently brain damaged by vaccines are a laughing matter to be used as the butt of his jokes attacking 'anti-vaxxers.' "</p> <p>I guess he was satisfied with the second Kimmel clip?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288935&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ndhn3y-vatOoZM8YU5m7i75IxNLUdkPeU8crLWpPcTU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">R. Mutt (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288935">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288936" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425417220"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Pity the poor anti-vaxxers:<br /> according to KIm ( AoA facebook today) they and their children " have become the new lepers".etc.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288936&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NK0_jIvJQb7td2S8mIxL2RJA9GjhGYUKtYGYceu3hUw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288936">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288937" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425419346"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks for the more better linkage to that piece, you guyses who provided it.</p> <p>I don't know how I missed this one:</p> <blockquote><p>And thanks to Obama, race-based paranoia is now at an all-time high in America. Distrust between those of different races has reached a frightening peak, and there are race-based beatings and shootings happening all across the country right now because of all this. (It's mostly young black kids beating up whites and Hispanics.)</p> <p><b>Even as more wise black cultural leaders like Bill Cosby are calling for peace and calm,</b> it's people like Al Sharpton -- whose very power depends on continued racial hatred -- who are whipping up division and paranoia.</p></blockquote> <p>I guess I just reflexively averted my eyes.</p> <p>(Look out! Helter Skelter.)</p> <p>Consistency is really not his strong point, though.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288937&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BQfBGDP9cj1L9sD4O4N-cAoo9khtAwD1kbQQwapNWWI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ann (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288937">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288938" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425421114"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I.e., Obama is just recycling Charles Manson. Sharp thinking.</p></blockquote> <p>That's one way to look at it.</p> <p>But Manson thought that the black man was being programmed to arise and that race war was inevitable. He was just gaming it in order to speed it up because he thought he and other whiteys in the know would come out on top.</p> <p>So I agree that <i>someone</i> is recycling him. I just wouldn't have said it was Obama.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288938&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iKbX-Oo0Kw9AZKPGLPXu8ikRHV81yaZ3uHiXoUTS0FE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ann (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288938">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288939" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425425689"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I wonder what KIm @ AoA thinks of people who do, in fact, have leprosy, and whether she'd be upset to have one living near her.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288939&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DJJvOiRZ7uZCzOJhxF4LvQpvzw2eMwDUNpPYBv2AX4w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vicki (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288939">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288940" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425426491"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Since this blog may be getting read by Mike Adams himself:</p> <p>Dear Mr. Adams:</p> <p>Were your ancestors dragged over here in chains? Were their children ripped out of their arms to be sold in markets? Or were your ancestors herded into gas chambers or gulags? Were you denied a seat at a restaurant, a seat on a bus, or a marriage license? I didn't think so.</p> <p>Please take two coffee enemas and call me in the morning. Given what's wrong with you (starts with "full of...") they might actually cure it, or at least put it into temporary remission.</p> <p>Sincerely, -GS.</p> <p>-----</p> <p>Re. Google University: In fact Google is probably contributing to anti-vaxism. </p> <p>Look up the article "Filter Bubble" on Wikipedia. Google's "personalized search" system figures out what each person's preferences are, and then feeds them more of whatever they apparently "prefer." So if someone has been searching on a keyword that's also used by quacks and suchlike, chances are that when they search "vaccine" or similar, they'll get a load of anti-vax links. And then they'll be more likely to be convinced that the anti-vax crap is true since it came up first in their search.</p> <p>It turns out that the filter bubble effect can also shift public opinion by 12 - 13% when it comes to voting preferences. If that's the case, then it can shift public opinion about other issues as well. It would not surprise me if this was aiding the spread of anti-vax garbage. </p> <p>I'd suggest that all good skeptics &amp; rationalists should stop using Google for the sake of objectivity, and boycott it as a matter of principle. Use Ixquick.com, Startpage.com, and/or DuckDuckGo.com, which don't track you and don't stick you in a filter bubble.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288940&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N-CGH51RCRZQ7URVdvRu0T9-VjCLPgjS7DZK9EmBLWg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gray Squirrel (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288940">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288941" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425427407"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Orac, one reason the grifters are freaking out is because they're doomed.</p> <p>Yes, doomed.</p> <p>Their entire propagation method is based on gaming Google's search rankings system, and that's about to be taken away from them:</p> <p><a href="https://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/google-strikes-blow-for-truth-lie-peddlers-horrified/">https://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/google-strikes-blow-for-t…</a></p> <p>Once Google activates their new reality-based rankings system, the crapmeisters are screwed. No longer will their screeds outrank PubMed pieces. No longer will Jenny McCarthy sites be the first things you see when Googling for information on vaccines.</p> <p>They're freaking out like vampires in a holy-water shower.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288941&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1xLzNT-vWzpIRnsMxSSLaLkJ202XZUzL_SHK7tnrVG4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phoenix Woman (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288941">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288942" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425427724"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Grey Squirrel: </p> <p>Google's getting sick of getting gamed by crapmeisters -- and here is the solution (<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530102.600-google-wants-to-rank-websites-based-on-facts-not-links.html#.VPMXmXXN-V7">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530102.600-google-wants-to-rank…</a>) :</p> <p>-- Instead of counting incoming links, the system – which is not yet live – counts the number of incorrect facts within a page. “A source that has few false facts is considered to be trustworthy,” says the team (<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.03519v1">arxiv.org/abs/1502.03519v1</a>). The score they compute for each page is its Knowledge-Based Trust score.</p> <p>-- The software works by tapping into the <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329832.700-googles-factchecking-bots-build-vast-knowledge-bank.html">Knowledge Vault</a>, the vast store of facts that Google has pulled off the internet. Facts the web unanimously agrees on are considered a reasonable proxy for truth. Web pages that contain contradictory information are bumped down the rankings.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288942&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ctaL-xOcMT1wHsOWd46n3gURe2w76QKGoW8pHnWXZx0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phoenix Woman (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288942">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288943" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425432984"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Denice #75</p> <blockquote><p>according to KIm ( AoA facebook today) they and their children ” have become the new lepers”.</p></blockquote> <p>So in essence, Klm sees itself and its kin as being treated like they are potential disease vectors.<br /> A little more effort, Klm. You are about to get it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288943&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ea3-DGvfT4cTg9GFgEUGs2xWKjhdJ_cra4FKq0aw38k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288943">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288944" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425433636"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>They’re freaking out like vampires in a holy-water shower.</p></blockquote> <p>Yah. It's mildly amusing, in the same way as people who are all excited based on somebody's picking up on an arXiv entry with G—le authors and weaving some fantasy as a result.</p> <p>It would help if journalists were to at least <i>try</i> to understand (1) the paper (hint: how expressive are those triples?) and (2) how search results are already prioritized (hint: it hasn't been mainly PageRank in a long time, and <i>that's not why it comes up in the paper anyway</i>).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288944&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ff3QavQw5WKZE7e9vYil7M3QK6OJjkawUCydd6_V9gk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288944">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288945" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425433762"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^ I'm criticizing the underlying news report(s), BTW.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288945&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cTN3cezvT143yAeYL6Bfurd1leiSbjdsw3UwJ7QvBaw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288945">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288946" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425434020"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^^ Actually, on second reading, it didn't come off that way at all. I apologize.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288946&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Mzozbdm_iRNnj1D5QHzC4SUYE2XEQNrnRb4GWMdn240"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288946">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288947" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425434550"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Adams appears to have retitled "legitimate criticism" as "hate speech" in the same way I've renamed "household chores" as "quests" in order to make them sound a bit more exciting to my ten-year old daughter.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288947&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="U56acugHsCwjnXnTH2B3EC7m9jyEDJk4FmXpPojJ608"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rich Scopie (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288947">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288948" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425434954"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Since nobody else was posting it:<br /><a href="http://www.xkcd.com/1357/">http://www.xkcd.com/1357/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288948&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="suzEtbnVqjwmhdkvRiss-qcf6VXKdZAV6WIxFIP_gNU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 03 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288948">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288949" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425447227"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I noticed that Ed Yazbak has been writing articles and comments on that AoA blog. Seems entirely fitting.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288949&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XLGhI_rbZ5jOkGbVwjKzLZMAOq6e3ePDpjrS0YKYJxY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ChrisP (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288949">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288950" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425453933"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Re. Phoenix Woman @ 80 and 81:</p> <p>Fact-checking sounds like an improvement, but the first comment on your blog spotted an obvious problem: </p> <p>"When this takes hold, a lot of those penny a word online writing and editing outfits will suddenly have decent paying jobs for writers able to use established facts while undermining them in some way that tricks Google."</p> <p>In the end it's just another algorithm, and humans excel at beating algorithms when they make the effort. Gaming with facts and "facts" is a high art in advertising, PR, and political propaganda. For example: Use emotional narratives (including photos and videos) that don't have any factual claims to check. Load up a statement with plenty of checkable facts and a honking hooter: the lie brings down the rating a little, but not enough to get it off the first page of results. </p> <p>There's also the issue of who holds the "facts" and how the "facts" themselves are ranked. Google's chief of engineering is Ray Kurzweil, who believes in all manner of "life extension" quackery, and takes over 100 supplement pills a day on orders from an alt-med doctor by the name of Terry Grossman, who also believes in using "alkaline water" and green tea to reverse aging. See also Robert O. Young, who believes cancer is caused by "excess acid." Or find both on the same page, for example: <a href="http://kangenwellmalaysia.com/drink-restructured-alkaline-water/">http://kangenwellmalaysia.com/drink-restructured-alkaline-water/</a></p> <p>So even if Google's "Knowledge Vault" dumps anti-vaxers, I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it when it comes to other kinds of alt-med. </p> <p>The general public shouldn't be at the mercy of de-facto search monopolies and opaque algorithms. At minimum, search-ranking and fact-rating algorithms should be published and transparent so they can be subjected to peer review and public critique. As well, universities should launch their own search engines and fact databases, open to the general public, using algorithms that are published. </p> <p>In the end there's still no substitute for critical thinking.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288950&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kWjbK411SilJRG8WkPAiAvHUCY1mcufj0HsWcoX2X0c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gray Squirrel (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288950">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288951" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425455739"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ever notice how Mike Adams' bio never mentions any medical degrees or training he has? He might be easier to take seriously if he was an MD who actually studied the stuff on which he pontificates. He should be prosecuted as a fraud.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288951&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bc-dwxasinncADTLKiKbepHvxYA3RnA1u1Nb6V9oRpQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Scott (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288951">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288952" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425456505"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Haha.<br /> Thanks to Jimmy Kimmel.<br /> Now we can laugh at US antivaccinationists here on the other side of globe, too.<br /> :D</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288952&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yiaR9Mlw3wvQsrOJLnS7LsociJokX3s8pDx0f967vG0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MrrKAT, Finland (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288952">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288953" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425457582"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Kim Stagliano appears to be <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/03/a-message-from-the-anti-vaccine-movement-to-jimmy-kimmel.html">unhappy about Jimmy Kimmel's little skits</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>I love naughty, irreverent, in your face humor. Harpooning families dealing with the aftermath of vaccine injury is about as funny as calling Child Services on parents of kids emaciated by chemo.</p></blockquote> <p>Yes, antivaccinationists really do think that way.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288953&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Dlk53MnaYvTWyW6FxsGBPasqTIGs7x-J-p0gm_1WSAs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288953">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288954" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425462002"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Re. Scott at 90: </p> <p>No he wouldn't (be taken more seriously). "Mike Adams MD" would be right up there with a bunch of other quack MDs: right about where arch-quack Jack Wolfson MD is (he of numerous screechy rants against parents who vaccinate their kids). </p> <p>OTOH he might be taken more seriously by alt-med adherents. OTTH (On The Third Hand) they don't much seem to care about degrees. Hmm, I guess it's a toss-up.</p> <p>In a sane world, Mike Adams would be a Poe or a character in a satire. As it is, he's laughing his way to the bank, until such point as we can sic the FDA on him and get him shut down. Someone needs to go undercover and record him saying something incriminating. </p> <p>Or at least get Adams on TV along with Wolfson and see how they interact. That would be a riot. (Will they tear each other to shreds, or become best buddies? Stay tuned!) Do likewise for Grossman and Young. Hey, this could become a series!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288954&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AITYQmVQMPZdwhK4aFDn4kUTqzRhu7za9oB7LarOsvA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gray Squirrel (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288954">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288955" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425466296"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>God Bless Mike Adams for standing up for the truth. I feel sorry for the poor souls that are still asleep. I used to be a fool just like 99% of the ignorant people on this page. Thank you GOD for waking me up! Most people have no idea of the mass mind control that is happening on a global scale. Learn to detoxify your body and mind, and I guarantee you will think differently. Start with eliminating fluoride in every way possible, eat real food, like fruits and vegetables, avoid all processed foods, detox your mind &amp; body from heavy metals with "zeolite" and drink only natural spring water. Eliminate EMF radiation from your home as much as possible, examples include wifi, smart meters, florescent lights, microwaves etc. Pray to God for enlightenment.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288955&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P9zlsUp1wnk-PSEoMtYGWTZASLaJJm2w750KTbKaN9s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ani Bani (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288955">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288956" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425466972"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Gray Squirrel:</p> <p>Mike obfuscates about his actual education: in his bio ( health ranger.com) he goes on and on about his studies in science and mathematics as well as the humanities. He had fabulous grades on standardised testing, offers of graduate schools at esteemed universities ad nauseum. But he never said *what* university he attended and *what* degree he received.</p> <p>But then, he wrote about how he was 'impoverished' -<br /> long story short- he married a woman from Taiwan and they moved there, thinking they'd get great jobs - HOWEVER, they found that married women aren't considered the best candidates and he was a foreigner who couldn't speak Chinese.<br /> Thus, he confesses that his degree was in *technical writing* and how he went to trade shows and courted tech companies via brochures to hire him as a writer for selling their products.<br /> ( This was an article at Natural News last July IIRC)</p> <p>His bio mentions his 'self-studies' in nutrition and alt med after his brilliant career led to health issues.</p> <p>If you look closely at Mike and other merchants of woo, you'll find that indeed, most of their so-called education is self-directed and shattershot. Which is probably why they hate elitists like Orac and his minions- if there are a string of letters after their names, they're most likely not purchased through the mail.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288956&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bzolhvLQpM6QkmvEybIrlgdJgUq2HAoUdeNNWC-nr-E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288956">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288957" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425473609"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Denice Walter@75:</p> <blockquote><p>Pity the poor anti-vaxxers: according to KIm ( AoA facebook today) they and their children ” have become the new lepers”.etc.</p></blockquote> <p>Chance'd be a fine thing. Leprosy's one of those horrible, vicious diseases that could be wiped from the world if only rich, spoiled first-worlders like them gave a shit for anything but themselves. :(</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288957&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RrcVxdAH7N4VhBRRzWgo04ZkoP0zLOrZ3jfYqpqUfiI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">has (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288957">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288958" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425473984"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Julian Frost @87:<br /> Man I love xkcd. The title text:</p> <blockquote><p>I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.</p></blockquote> <p>However, they did get one thing wrong. When it affects public safety the governnent CAN arrest you for what you say. The classic example is yelling fire in a crowded theater. I don't think the government ever would (nor do I think they should) but I think there's definitely a legal argument that silencing antivaxxers is protecting public health and therefore within their power to do.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288958&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z_rxB8Qzxgtms22gALU9D5UQgdWqXqFncaUxYFi4bJE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">capnkrunch (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288958">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288959" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425474199"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Phoenix Woman@80:</p> <blockquote><p>Orac, one reason the grifters are freaking out is because they’re doomed. Their entire propagation method is based on gaming Google’s search rankings system, and that’s about to be taken away from them</p></blockquote> <p>Eh, let the lying liars build their own search engine then. If there's one thing alt med &amp;co. have proven, it's that there's no lack of people in the world who <i>want</i> to be lied to and will hand them good hard money for the privilege too. Then they can all go be special flowers over there, and leave the rest of us in peace. /optimist</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288959&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EUBn1z2YWZmiP-OVUnSB_FMf5yfL0Dna0XrU29Rsfho"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">has (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288959">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288960" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425476390"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ani Bani:</p> <blockquote><p>I used to be a fool just like 99% of the ignorant people on this page.</p></blockquote> <p>This is an impressive estimate for comment number 94 on a thread.</p> <blockquote><p>Start with eliminating fluoride in every way possible, eat real food, like fruits and vegetables, avoid all processed foods, detox your mind &amp; body from heavy metals with “zeolite” and drink only natural spring water. Eliminate EMF radiation from your home as much as possible, examples include wifi, smart meters, florescent lights, microwaves etc. Pray to God for enlightenment.</p></blockquote> <p>Praying to God for enlightenment sounds like a great idea. You should probably try it, Ani; you might benefit.</p> <p>Eliminating EMF radiation? Pff. You've barely scratched the surface. Remove your WiFi router, remove smart meters (no matter how many fines you get from the power company), remove your fluorscent lights, remove your microwave, and then now you must remove the *really big* sources. Do you have any idea how many radio waves are passing right through you from broadcast television and radio, not to mention cell phone towers? You might want to consider moving to the National Radio Quiet Zone. Staunton, Virginia would be a suitable town. Radio transmissions are strictly limited there.</p> <p>Mind you, you'll still be subject to the beams of geosynchronous commsats. It takes a *lot* to get a signal to cross 22,000 miles and still be clear and crisp on a puny DirectTV dish antenna. And they absolutely cannot avoid hitting the NRQZ. The beams pretty much hit most of the continent. And there is *some* radio coverage in the NRQZ as well. Folks aren't completely cut off there. So maybe Antarctica would be a better choice. Very few commsats are able to operate there, since it's got terrible to nonexistant line of sight to the geosynchronous ring. They have to make do with short-term access to old weather satellites that occasionally loop over them. But then you'll have a new problem -- cosmic radiation.</p> <p>Cosmic radiation is everwhere on Earth, but it's strongest at the poles where the protection of our magnetosphere becomes more of a funnel directing the particles down. You will get measurably higher exposure to ionizing radiation there, as well as more exposure to UV radiation from the Sun, thanks to the ozone hole. Plus it's insanely cold and you won't see the sun for several months out of the year, without the great night-life you can expect in Arctic Circle locations. On the plus side, you get to see aurora australis, as that radiation pumps energy into the atmosphere, making it glow like a neon sign.</p> <p>Mind you, the radio radiation from the cosmos is pretty much universal. 1% of the static between stations is actually the Big Bang itself, and you cannot escape that. Not anywhere. Much of the rest is other natural sources, like the Sun and Jupiter and the center of the Milky Way -- that's right, you can actually listen to that monster of a supermassive black hole if you tune your antenna right.</p> <p>Maybe that's why we're not immortal? Alas.</p> <p>And don't forget -- you'll have to be careful of those real foods. Fruits and vegetables are great, but if you want to avoid radiation, dang . . . bananas will register on geiger counters. So will broccoli and potatoes. It's the potassium. Heck, that zeolite can be too, if it's natural zeolite and not synthetic, depending on its composition and origin.</p> <p>BTW, on a totally random note, I am fond of a particular type of zeolite. The mineral thomsonite is surprisingly abundant on the north shore of Lake Superior, and I spent many a happy childhood vacation searching for it on the rocky beaches.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288960&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TGrLdtBdcs--mTyNpqBix_TmD4435zgib2S9bCT9fgQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Calli Arcale (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288960">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288961" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425477289"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Pray to God for enlightenment.</p></blockquote> <p>In this arena, God helps those who help themselves. I'd suggest you get started on that, Ani.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288961&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SIH3g3rbvgJ67DWDVZE289SuJ73MslVFbaf_w2PB48Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288961">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288962" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425478432"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> Learn to detoxify your body and mind, and I guarantee you will think differently.</p></blockquote> <p>Sure thing--right after you provide credible evidence demonstrating I need to do so. </p> <p>Got any?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288962&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="U5hgk8HWH6KxCanlce5_OAccGetojwK54GiTEllV3ms"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JGC (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288962">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288963" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425480536"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ani Bani, I assume that back in 1999 you bought your $1000 worth of storable food for only $479 so as to be prepared for the world wide crisis that happened when all the software failed?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288963&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u80xB4i8YdHk4fBzFCU-RZC_hiYS8TxESZzE4p7bJcg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ellie (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288963">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288964" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425480725"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have never figured out the demonization of fluoride. It is after all a natural element found in the earth's crust, and abundant in certain water sources. Some areas have naturally occurring levels of fluoride in their water significantly higher than what is added to water systems for the benefit of the teeth. I thought everything natural was good? Good on Calli Arcale for pointing out the ubiquitous nature of cosmic radiation as well as other sources. My husband (the physicist) would weep a tear of joy as the drive to ban sources of EMF leave him in a rage.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288964&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="m9WWiNwBDhVKD_P8rnT2FNNZqkxKDZVk9VF2L4TesIU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kiiri (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288964">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288965" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425481399"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's funny, because... I didn't know Orac's real name. When Tim at the top here accused him of hiding, I decided to type "real name of Orac" into Google.</p> <p>You know what I got? His Wikipedia page. First hit.</p> <p>Oh, Orac is trying SO hard to hide...</p> <p>Of course, when Orac does it, he's being a coward, but when the people at, say, ThinkingMoms or AutismSpeaks use screen names, they're protecting themselves from hate and so forth.</p> <p>I hate hypocrisy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288965&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wQtx-DydIZ8Lw9jnb8C2JJ0OrLOgRQ99-N7ig2Wrv54"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Jason &quot;Man Called True&quot; Otting">Jason &quot;Man Cal… (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288965">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288966" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425482890"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fluoride is bad, it saps our precious vital fluids. Green tea, which is <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749198001870">full of fluoride</a>, is <a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/045984_green_tea_health_benefits_cholesterol.html">recommended by Mike Adams</a>. It's terribly confusing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288966&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LbQRcQqY8_YTWiyomz-liTE4OovKX63DBcKemG5ITCs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Krebiozen (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288966">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288967" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425483257"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>"Learn to detoxify your body and mind, and I guarantee you will think differently.</i>"</p> <p>My liver and kidneys work just fine, thanks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288967&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E3HMrX0Za6g4rKD1O1pIWS99CFFpp5bPs5aSLMvk-Jw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Darwy (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288967">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288968" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425483362"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Krebiozen - yeah it makes no sense. They demonize aluminum too and apparently are oblivious to the fact that aluminum is literally everywhere and we consume a large amount of it daily. In fact its impossible to eliminate. Yet they obsess over the tiny amounts in a vaccine. Obviously these people have some difficulty processing actual facts.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288968&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ud4WVOxrUEM1sPWVFRl9gOiX6mKIRzQ6MESnuK_mTM0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kiiri (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288968">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288969" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425484318"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Kiiri,</p> <blockquote><p>Krebiozen – yeah it makes no sense. They demonize aluminum too and apparently are oblivious to the fact that aluminum is literally everywhere and we consume a large amount of it daily. </p></blockquote> <p>You know what contains vast amounts of aluminum? Zeolite, of the sort Ani Bani says will detox us. I believe at least some of the aluminosilicates in zeolite will dissolve in stomach acids and be absorbed. Luckily this is a special kind of aluminum that is rapidly excreted by the kidneys, unlike the tiny amounts of regular aluminum in some vaccines which hitches a ride on white blood cells straight to the brain (/sarcasm).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288969&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MkJEOEGDmimAMzTzlbcxH9K8sHuoHAODAyfUF7Mxgno"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Krebiozen (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288969">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288970" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425485975"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Krebiozen / Kiiri</p> <blockquote><p>They demonize aluminum</p></blockquote> <p>Oi. Ready yourself for a new round.<br /> I just saw that <a href="http://www.keele.ac.uk/aluminium/keelemeetings/2015/">a scientific meeting</a> dedicated to all forms of studies on aluminium have recently ended in Lille. </p> <p>In a alarmist <a href="http://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/sante/20150304.OBS3837/alerte-a-la-toxicite-de-l-aluminium.html">French news article I just read,</a> aluminium ingestion is mentioned, but almost immediately all the old tropes are invoked (i.e. antiperspirant and vaccines).<br /> It's a bit difficult to parse the info. The article is not exactly replete with references, quite the contrary.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288970&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="inR5WwJ0V7qM3IGhUiAKEC0F36Tfh0_ts5fTCW1oIsc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288970">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288971" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425494749"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I guess that Kim Stagliano has never actually seen <i>Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?</i></p> <p>You'd think that publicity still she posted of Bette Davis looking all dissolute and delusional would have raised a red flag or two, though.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288971&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QApSodtt_htSQyi3BE4CkkzIByMZ_2xcc79AiJ4RI48"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ann (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288971">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288972" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425495999"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Aluminum is good for you. I feel much better after I started riding my aluminum-frame bike daily.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288972&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mbHdM3SgkI1l6X25nhpsBTa-ICna_bXGqyjlhD2eG1w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="The Great and Powerful Woo">The Great and … (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288972">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288973" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425498611"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you David G. I like your style of writing. Silly Tim. How did I find that soo quickly? It was right here in the blog the whole time ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288973&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dc8XSSFwHK6Qa6g8yzIVMw1aCPQsYGf1bNvFAbDE-W8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jazz (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288973">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288974" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425499010"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Helianthus, An aluminium hysteria extravaganza and no Chris Shaw or Tomlawhatshername? I see that aluminium loons Claire Dwoskin and Gherardi presented though.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288974&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-dU2NVs1Oe85gIEG-sItwFjPw4O30CO_oygDuliVb7U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Science Mom (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288974">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288975" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425520489"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Science Mom</p> <blockquote><p>An aluminium hysteria extravaganza </p></blockquote> <p>It reads a bit like hysteria, indeed.<br /> On one hand, the journalist talks about aluminium ingested from food or environmental sources. It needs some more numbers to be rolled in, but that seems worth a look.<br /> On the other hand, the meeting organizer and the French scientist quoted in the French article are both very sure of aluminium toxicity coming from vaccines and cosmetics. But they lost me, the first when talking about daily exposure and vaccines in the same sentence, the second when asserting the link is proven and then that the results about antiperspirants and breast cancer will come this year.<br /> Call it nitpicking, but I hunger for more substantial data.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288975&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1hAzDFhN99-w3T2YmW2nROFTN7dnYsXL0jQf5liinJ0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288975">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288976" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425528706"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>An aluminium hysteria extravaganza and no Chris Shaw or Tomlawhatshername?</i></p> <p>There are a couple of students from UBC presenting results on autistic mice; I imagine they're representing Prof Shaw.<br /> The meeting -- and its yearly predecessors) -- seems to have been organised by Chris Exley, who has spent the last 25 years looking for evidence that Aluminium Causes Diseases (with the specific disease changing every few years).<br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/10/13/antiperspirants-not-a-cause-of-breast-cancer/">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/10/13/antiperspirants-not-a-caus…</a></p> <p>His press releases are always happily received at the Daily Mail and the Torygraph.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288976&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="W1l1Pw8fP1SLTt-yYAW5C-Co-xyXMnSeyMiyZVUAkvo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288976">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288977" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425538557"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Has: Leprosy’s one of those horrible, vicious diseases that could be wiped from the world if only rich, spoiled first-worlders like them gave a shit for anything but themselves. :(</p> <p>I get what you're saying, but I think you picked the wrong disease. The reason we haven't managed to beat leprosy yet is that the bacteria responsible is quite hardy. It can live in soil for years and occasionally is picked up by animals who then give it to humans. There's quite a few cases of armadillo to human transmission. Luckily, it hasn't evolved an anti-biotic resistant strain.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288977&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yzIRIR0GXMM8XSVbcYwTCHoQAWlDn9qFWPfeN8sottU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288977">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288978" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425548278"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, Ani,<br /> If you didn't exist, I'd have to make you up. You hit every clichéd point in the Crank Conspiracy Manifesto. Okay, you left out chemtrails, but I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part. You were once like us, eh? Well, I was once like a considerably milder version of you. Evidently change can go both ways.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288978&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QbwKJelwmOT_EHHulq4irk475tsXMFBz0nFrBF_MtNk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Pareidolius (not verified)</span> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288978">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288979" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425557767"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>To add to what PGP said: It's <i>Mycobacterium leprae</i>, which is the same genus as the tuberculosis bacterium. We don't have a really good vaccine against TB, which infects a lot more people than leprosy. </p> <p>Also, yes there's armadillo-to-human transmission, but the bacterium got into the armadillo population from humans in the first place.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288979&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LdPmqL1nfD-9w6uzTFwrtzNcg6jB8AiFx29buww2WFc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vicki (not verified)</span> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288979">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288980" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425571813"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vicki: Also, yes there’s armadillo-to-human transmission, but the bacterium got into the armadillo population from humans in the first place.</p> <p>Thanks for correcting me. I genuinely didn't know that the transmission went both ways.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288980&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KX-bEILqr_EAYSTByabK0rGj-xyZ0anZCXo_76b-_EI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288980">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288981" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425572295"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ffor some reason, the link to mike adams article regales us with the great things natural news has discovered. (insert sarchastic tone here)<br /> This is the link I think you all want. It is just unbearable, and helps me understand better why a rebuttal was needed.<br /><a href="https://www.intellihub.com/outrage-jimmy-kimmel-makes-fun-of-vaccine-damaged-children-revives-hate-speech-bigotry-on-national-tv/">https://www.intellihub.com/outrage-jimmy-kimmel-makes-fun-of-vaccine-da…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288981&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3CPufSXoti3HClEonfWeK8KMBFrO9ek-VUfTQNNGfzM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JD (not verified)</span> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288981">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288982" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425573296"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mike Adams has been known to set up filters so that incoming traffic from certain sites gets redirected to one of his fluffy advertorial pages. Keep clicking. Usually the correct link pops up eventually.</p> <p>Oddly enough, when I click on it, I get the right link. So I don't know what's happening.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288982&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-0M0bbmf5hY_26Sem1VHsmpMZjX2RYdl8WA74SBxXCk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288982">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1288981#comment-1288981" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JD (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288983" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425599163"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vicki, I'm going to have to disagree with your claim that "We don’t have a really good vaccine against TB, which infects a lot more people than leprosy"<br /> From the Wikipedia page on BCG:</p> <blockquote><p>a systematic review and meta analysis conducted in 2014 demonstrated that the BCG vaccine reduced infection by 19-27% and reduced progression to active TB by 71%.</p></blockquote> <p>Those look like pretty good numbers to me, and I remember getting the BCG.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288983&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="W0MEkqXVj6WknDBfWBBp81KCvCvdKrPK7LQkgd-ty-A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 05 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288983">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288984" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425733975"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great video although I must have missed the 'hate speech' part. Seeing as anti vaccinators are unnecessarily exposing everyone to disease I think they should be able to take a few hard words, particularly as they have a charming tendency to refer to the rest of us as 'sheep'.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288984&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yuYnyzERbVWQFimu26QrBVcQ_Wp91hrWC_NggV7L2Vw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cate (not verified)</span> on 07 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288984">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288985" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425812335"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Recently got into a pissing match with generational elders, our beloved seasoned-citizens, so to speak. Confirmational bias is rampant when it comes to infectious disease. "Nobody who got sick died" in their day, when in fact I try to explain the reporting and how dangerous this infectious can be. They don't believe it's anything more than an over-blown and made up crisis with medical institutions "brainwashing everyone" including myself. Unfortunately, I lost my professionalism in the heat of the moment, which sucks; granted, not as much as the disease process does. </p> <p>It's healthy to question the basis of evidence, but you leave wondering, similar (unanswered) question posed to Dr Jay, does evidence-based medicine really matter, or should we just wing it on gut feeling even knowing the hazard and move with the risk taking of the popular herd?</p> <p>I had thought similar to the Kimmel video point that this should have been settled in the 1950s. But, here we still are.</p> <p>One day, maybe I'll have a handle on the science of infectious disease. Maybe one day.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288985&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lbAaa1ciKdIJcwokt7DlkPISjnUx4qbvnLrK5SrFL30"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MarkN (not verified)</span> on 08 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288985">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288986" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1425907875"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>M*ke *d*ms is a former technical writer? </p> <p>On behalf of all sane technical writers everywhere, we are really and truly sorry that our profession has inflicted that particular waste of skin on the world. Would that there were some way to remediate the stain on our profession.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288986&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9GSvy1GczEcYyfYa4-J59dmkhJC8xme7HaiUuslgtBs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Interrobang (not verified)</span> on 09 Mar 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1288986">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/insolence/2015/03/03/mike-adams-attacks-jimmy-kimmel-for-hate-speech%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 03 Mar 2015 06:00:12 +0000 oracknows 22000 at https://scienceblogs.com Watch as Marvel Takes Over the Galaxy https://scienceblogs.com/seed/2014/08/01/watch-as-marvel-takes-over-the-galaxy <span>Watch as Marvel Takes Over the Galaxy</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Like Rocket—a genetically engineered, cybernetically enhanced raccoon—<em>Guardians of the Galaxy</em> is a strange beast. Wanting to make a little cash, Rocket and his talking tree-buddy Groot try to collect a bounty on that guy from <em>Parks and Recreation</em> (and <em>Zero Dark Thirty</em> [Chris Pratt]). But the human, who wishes he were known as Star-Lord, not only has a 40,000 unit bounty on his head, but a softball-sized orb of power that every bigwig in the galaxy wants to steal or buy. Gamora, a <em>femme fatale</em> working for her supervillain step-daddy, crashes the party as Rocket and Groot try to bag Star-Lord, and all four go to jail, where they meet a musclebound literalist named Drax (whose stilted take on English sounds like those foreign dudes from <em>Family Guy)</em>. Following in the wake of critically acclaimed comic book adaptations like <em>Iron Man</em> and <em>The Avengers</em>, <em>Guardians</em> represents an emphatic stake by Marvel Studios on the genre of comedy. It's still a sprawling action movie, complete with boilerplate plot, senseless acts of violence, and large-scale digital destruction. But make no mistake: <em>Guardians of the Galaxy</em> is a riot, and Marvel's master plan to take over Hollywood is well under way.</p> <p>Much of the levity of the movie comes from the unremitting irony of its soundtrack.  Taken alone this collection of songs might be the most pandering soundtrack in the history of cinema. But the songs are tearily justified by the script, and it's hard not to be amused by scenes of alien worlds and sleek technology overlaid with some of the catchiest songs of the seventies and eighties. Most are played for maximum dissonance, such as "The Piña Colada Song" during the team's desperate escape from prison. One track sets the mood for a romantic moment—until Star-Lord starts talking about Kevin Bacon and Gamora kicks him in the balls.  The montage preceding the conventionally epic final battle is set to "Cherry Bomb" by The Runaways, which serves as a reminder that just because it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck doesn't mean it's punk rock (although Joan Jett is still in there somewhere). Like the Runaways, this film shows betrays a crass yet calculated commercialism, the <em>raison d'etre</em> of some some white male hegemonies in L.A. It fails <a title="Asking Questions and the “Finkbeiner Test”" href="http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2013/03/06/asking-questions-and-the-finkbeiner-test/">the Bechdel test,</a> it features little racial diversity, it suffers from obvious <a title="Spoiler Alert: Elysium" href="http://scienceblogs.com/seed/2013/08/21/spoiler-alert-elysium/">white savior syndrome</a> as Star-Lord 'dudes' and 'bros' his way through the quadrant and finally wins the heart of the lady. Brutal violence against blue-collar humanoids is perpetrated with nary a moral qualm, despite young Star-Lord, in a 1988 prologue, standing up to frog-smushers at school and getting a black eye for his trouble.</p> <p>Meanwhile, the strength of the film emerges from the interactions of the characters. Just like in <em>The Avengers</em>, banter between well-drawn team members saves the film from the meaninglessness of its blockbuster body plan. Rocket Raccoon becomes the surprising anchor of the story; he is an ingenious and violent freak, a perpetual outsider, a victim of ridicule and prejudice, an angry, embittered anthropomorph who ultimately doesn't mind being pet a little. Voiced to great effect by Bradley Cooper, Rocket is not only visually believable, but emotionally credible as well. Rocket's connection with his magical tree friend is the deepest in the story. Yet Vin Diesel, though well-billed as Groot, could probably have left his voice work on an answering machine.</p> <p>As for the science, its totally non-existent. The universe is said to have formed from six singularities each leaving behind a differently-colored 'infinity stone'—which might satisfy a cabalist, but not an astronomer. The purple stone, contained within Star-Lord's orb, propels the plot: it destroys all organic matter on contact, oh and also it can only be wielded by beings of supreme power.  Luckily Star-Lord's mom had sex with an angel and he's only half human, allowing him, with some extra help from his team, to save a world that looks suspiciously like Elysium (or, for that matter, SHIELD HQ)—which is to say, so rich and polished that it could only have been built on the back of extreme poverty and ghettoization. Star-Lord's angel DNA may also explain why he can space-walk without a suit. Of course, the term 'science fiction' is hardly applicable to a film like this. Its closest cinematic relative is <em>The Fifth Element</em> (1997). We're talking the iconography of SF taken to extremes of fantasy and humor.</p> <p>Crucially, despite <a title="Spoiler Alert: Riddick" href="http://scienceblogs.com/seed/2013/09/18/spoiler-alert-riddick/">the trappings of space opera</a>, this film is set in 2014, and Earth is somewhere in the distance. This places the Guardians into the same diegetic space and time as the Avengers, Iron Man, the Hulk, Captain America, and Thor. The prospects for character and genre recombination in the Marvel Cinematic Universe are dizzying. With principal actors like Mark Ruffalo, Samuel L. Jackson, Robert Downey Jr., and Scarlett Johansson, rising superstars like Chris Pratt, venerable old pros like Glenn Close and Robert Redford (in the surprisingly astute security-state criticism <em>Captain America: The Winter Soldier</em>) plus talented and familiar actors everywhere you look, Marvel has the star power to back its pantheon of freaks and heroes. Next to join the milieu is comedian Paul Rudd in <em>Ant-Man</em>, which truly boggles the mind. We can only be thankful that the X-Men and Spiderman have their own 'cinematic universes' to inhabit (Marvel having sold the rights to other studios).</p> <p>It doesn't matter if you've never read the comics: if you like movies, you might love what Marvel is doing. At a time when visual effects artists can accomplish anything, cinema is the next level of comic books as a medium for making fantastical stories and images. Some of Marvel's films have been amazing, and I can't wait to see what's next. The audience agrees: applauding the end of the film, then sitting through the credits to catch a glimpse of the future—which also walks like a duck, but quacks like something entirely different.</p> <p><strong>MCU Must See:</strong><br /><em>Iron Man</em> (2008)<br /><em>The Avengers</em> (2012)<br /><em>Captain America: The Winter Soldier</em> (2013)<br /><em>Guardians of the Galaxy</em> (2014)</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/milhayser" lang="" about="/author/milhayser" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">milhayser</a></span> <span>Fri, 08/01/2014 - 07:23</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/misc" hreflang="en">Misc</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ant-man" hreflang="en">Ant-Man</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bechdel-test" hreflang="en">Bechdel Test</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comic-books" hreflang="en">Comic Books</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/family-guy" hreflang="en">family guy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/guardians-galaxy" hreflang="en">Guardians of the Galaxy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hollywood" hreflang="en">hollywood</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/howard-duck" hreflang="en">Howard the Duck</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/iron-man" hreflang="en">Iron Man</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/marvel-universe" hreflang="en">Marvel Universe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/movies" hreflang="en">movies</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-fiction" hreflang="en">Science Fiction</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/space-opera" hreflang="en">Space Opera</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/avengers" hreflang="en">The Avengers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fifth-element" hreflang="en">The Fifth Element</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hulk" hreflang="en">The Hulk</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/runaways" hreflang="en">The Runaways</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/seed/2014/08/01/watch-as-marvel-takes-over-the-galaxy%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:23:44 +0000 milhayser 69221 at https://scienceblogs.com Comedians and Society https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/07/11/comedians-and-society <span>Comedians and Society</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>George Carlin was ahead of society. He led freethinkers, skeptics, others. Think of all those clips from George Carlin routines that we play today as reference to important, vibrant, current ideas. Those clips are always years old, sometimes decades. Something similar could be said of Louis Black. Ellen. There are others.</p> <p>Recently we have seen a rash of something very different happening. The comedian who offended everyone at an atheist conference in Australia earlier this year comes to mind. Recently, when Daniel Tosh suggested that it would be really funny if a woman in his audience was gang raped by five men, almost everyone responded with one big giant "WTF?" There were those who decried criticism of Tosh ... "Comedy is subjective, man, leave it alone." ... and one apparently well known comedian of whom I've never heard, Louis C.K. came to Tosh's defense as well. </p> <p>These are comedians whoa are not ahead of society, but rather, are lagging well behind, languishing along with their clueless neckbeard fans in a long gone era. </p> <p>Now, here's my question. Is this a pattern, and if so, what is the pattern? Here are a few ideas:</p> <p>1) Oscillation. The degree to which most/mainstream comedians (or more generally, comedy) leads vs. follows cultural and social evolution simply varies back and forth over time, and oscillates because it varies...movement one way potentiates movement in the opposite direction as opposition emerges, or opportunities arise for shifting the comedic center. This would be much like shifting fashions where there is a simple spectrum or binaries: dress length, mustache or no mustache, that sort of thing.</p> <p>2) Selection bias and culling. The comedians we remember are the ones that led society. There were morons like Tosh and CK 30 years ago, we just forgot. </p> <p>3) It is all random. That would be funny.</p> <p>So, what is it? Between all of us we must know. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/uncategorized" hreflang="en">Uncategorized</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/andrew-dice-clay" hreflang="en">Andrew Dice Clay</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/daniel-tosh" hreflang="en">daniel tosh</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/louis-ck" hreflang="en">louis c.k.</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446605" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342004381"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As with most forms of art, the effect is predominantly (2) with a bit of (1) mixed in. Comedy at its best is a way of poking holes in what we assume as a society, especially when more direct means are dangerous. (Think of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.) But it can also be used cruelly, to make fun of people on the margins of society. Racist and sexist jokes are in this category. There have always been people who tell such jokes.</p> <p>It's technically true that comedy is subjective. The jokes often only make sense in certain social contexts. For instance, jokes about bad airline food used to be a comic staple, but they only make sense in a world where it is normal to be served food on an airplane, and we no longer live in that world. This is also the reason why oscillation plays a role--Polish jokes were common when I was a kid, but it's been years since I heard one (except for one that specifically plays on the alternative meaning of "Pole" in engineering contexts). Even though almost all of those Polish jokes would work for any agreed-upon value of $STUPID_ETHNIC_GROUP, they are out of fashion AFAICT.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446605&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_jZ3UMjzqzfGHj-A0YNsWi-qk0UCU0PqcXJExRVT7co"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446605">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446606" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342005348"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mr. Laden, I'm a big fan, and I honestly and truly do not mean to rude on this.<br /> But I have to say, if you are not familiar with Louis C.K., you are best off not be criticizing contemporary stand-up. He is (probably) the most well respected and best known stand-up comedian of the era.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446606&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1OxJmHKQEqRXJyYtW_HUbM_0OnwiEbX1SWXKVjz14kI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">zf (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446606">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446607" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342006664"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>zf, I am absolutely not familiar with his work. What Tosh did is clearly documented and wrong, and supporting that makes LCK a bit of a dick; but lots of people are getting this all wrong, and it would not be appropriate to criticize his comedy per se if I don't know anything about it. Also, it may end up bein the case that Tosh addresses this adequately and everybody lives happily ever after.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446607&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5WyvTdAdiRt-z7H0ERe8e33mpC_HwYdPdHiW3xrP9xE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446607">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446608" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342008897"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Please pull the stick out of your ass, Mr. Laden.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446608&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xdmPwEYImEY2b9uJK0aI-qLAyi7nNbQSB4X9drmWGc0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Juice (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446608">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446609" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342011078"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Juice, do tell: You like rape jokes?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446609&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="d0CmJiaZITrGe878BPFowxIPFhs-L_Sk_cf7_DG9Gfo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446609">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446610" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342017953"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>More details here: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/daniel-tosh-rape-joke-laugh-factory_n_1662882.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/daniel-tosh-rape-joke-laugh-fa…</a></p> <p>It may not have been reported correctly, and it also appears Tosh said what he said in response to being heckled. He has apologized.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446610&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UDyf4hLuYRlxOOtgBnpsmJyLPTKnz2XEfztDSqUP-zM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ahcuah (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446610">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446611" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342019361"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interesting, thanks for that link. The version provided by the comedy club is self serving. It may well be more accurate, but in a he-said, she-said situation it isn't automatically true that it is more accurate. </p> <p>That Tosh has said what he said subsequent to the event (apologies, etc) is important and to his credit. However, he did say this:</p> <blockquote><p>the point i was making before i was heckled is there are awful things in the world but you can still make jokes about them. #deadbabies</p></blockquote> <p>suggesting that he my be more inclined to fall into the "comedy is subjective so shut up" school. It is hard to read at this point.</p> <p>And this is all water under the bridge as long as we learn the important lesson of the day.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446611&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dDQ41QYE4rLhhh8zmH4fyn6a9646pPsixr66lhY2AXc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446611">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446612" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342019653"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A comedian who can't handle a heckler without resorting to simply being vile isn't any good as a comedian and won't get far. Just look at Michael Richards. We'll see how this guy goes - are there enough idiots in the population for him to thrive or will he be collecting food stamps?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446612&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NXewelmM8XA9vCaVQJ_tG6qbTYCu2pI54_fBdeDXEwY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MadScientist (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446612">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446613" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342027478"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tosh has/had (?) a V show on comedy central. I've seen it a couple times. It was/is (?) mostly him making snide remarks about youtube videos where people injure themselves</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446613&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Qt0VMLY0wnufbRzAJLOVD0bC-Dl6y_OvlQPL9A0hdJk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drivebyposter (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446613">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446614" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342028318"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I believe that Carlin made rape jokes as well, specifically in the context of "you can make jokes about anything".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446614&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="k8Xt9iNm-9OXk578rS7dVjzCNNrqAXrqYg3CAvgx678"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bean curds (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446614">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446615" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342032118"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Bean Curd, he did. He did not, however, make jokes about putting Jews in gas chambers and later burning the bodies and then sifting through the bones to get the gold fillings. </p> <p>22 years on, and rape has, unfortunately for the world of comedy, gone the way of the holocaust. (I believe that routine was out around 1990, but it was probably older than that)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446615&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="G-MtuUzFyxbto-rxZ-MuTcnl9S9YC59tcnw9-nwOS24"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446615">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446616" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342048926"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>ZF - I think you mean "the most well respected and best known stand-up comedian of the era" in your specific location or community. The most well respected and best known in my location would probably be Adam Hills or Tim Minchin. </p> <p>It certainly sounds like Tosh mis-read his audience in this instance.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446616&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UQQDY3L2OIRV4TM0zP-eDcm10Y76cOTuggDoWcMu8WU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Llyris (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446616">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446617" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342062312"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg, Louis CK is quite a funny guy and his humor, rather like Carlin, can hold a mirror to society. Check YouTube for the clip Louis CK being white and Louis CK talks about growing up Mexican. Though he is white he was born in Mexico and his father's side of the family still lives there. I do not know his political leanings. Please give those two videos a quick look. And think carefully about his joke about Tosh O. I wouldn't call it support. He's actually targeting Tosh. (whom I know much less about since he isn't too funny).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446617&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OfBILK_qrhcxITzny32JJpsxKLw2BqlA8twjHERMKg0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phil (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446617">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446618" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342075389"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Ahead"? "Behind"? If you weren't a self-proclaimed sceptic, I'd think you believed that society was on some kind of monotonic path of constant improvement towards the Millenium.</p> <p>Comedy is, basically, offensive. Stand-up comedy is a more or less (frequently less) bowdlerised of everyday privately-between-you-me-and-the-gatepost comedy. So it's bound to offend someone, somewhere.</p> <p>I've never heard of, much less seen, George Carlin (USA != World, remember), but it appears from Wikipedia that he is most known for a routine involving gratuitous profanity at a time when that was seen as regressive rather than progressive. To some of us, it still is, in an immature, third-form, kind of a way.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446618&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ziCgsc-lxazQIUD6bbwcWmMum3lxb_4QyLmASkcp2KQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ian Kemmish (not verified)</span> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446618">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446619" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342076535"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" If you weren’t a self-proclaimed sceptic, I’d think you believed that society was on some kind of monotonic path of constant improvement towards the Millenium."</p> <p>Burying one's point in snark is usually a sign of a weak argument. But yes, rape is far more exposed as a behavior and a crime, far less accepted, and now we can finally start the business of making it less common. This is change over (medium to short term) time in a particular direction. </p> <p>Interesting that you've not heard of the internationally famous George Carlin. You might be the only person with access to electronic communication who hasn't!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446619&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T5LInOyQeK4MjuLtJwe4WxDVCwlJJzXxddLaIsg1HRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446619">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446620" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342078955"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg, if you have never heard of Louis CK, I'd say it is 2) Selection bias. He is one of the most famous comedians today and is onto the 3rd season of a TV show bearing his name.</p> <p>Louis CK is basically the Carlin of our age. He actually talks about rape in a few of his routines and skirts the edge of acceptability, but a lot of his jokes are actually pretty enlightening. Obviously, people who think rape should never be mentioned in comedy aren't going to like it, but he puts forward a lot of humanistic ideas in his jokes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446620&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oyW2iqgNJNkfXB-XIcuDL599dbabXyelVxJieu4ZtXk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ashley Moore (not verified)</span> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446620">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446621" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342082168"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Since you're such a fan of George Carlin, you no doubt remember the time he suggested that a man in his audience should watch his children burn to death in a car fire. </p> <p>I will never understand the attitude that some things are so sacred you can't even joke about them. Especially not since Mel Brooks made "The Producers" barely 20 years after the liberation of Auschwitz.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446621&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="M20NHPCG_zSiE8PSZwZQDN0pihvlX_m5j983jrEYEs8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TTT (not verified)</span> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446621">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446622" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342082220"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, and yes, Carlin very famously did make rape jokes, arguing that the thought it could be hilarious if constructed right. He'd sometimes specify the rape of senior citizens.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446622&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OdN_RI33Uv6UUW4adZ2VRbDRz78s_kHVHtECXdMin0g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TTT (not verified)</span> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446622">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446623" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342082461"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm not a stand-up comedian, but I (try to) do humor on a skeptical forum: </p> <p><a href="http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=33">http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=33</a></p> <p>My feeling on humor is not simple. While I feel that humorists of all kinds do need plenty of freedom, and that pushing boundaries and mocking people is often useful for comics to make a point, it's important to make sure the target of your mockery is a deserving one. To me, that means humor should discomfort the comfortable, and cast doubt upon the beliefs of the blindly faithful. It needs to be edgy.</p> <p>I read somewhere that there are basically three kinds humor. In one, the humorist targets him/herself. In another, the jokes are on the powerful. In the third, the weak and marginalized are targeted. </p> <p>The third kind of humor is about the only kind one sees or hears coming from wingnuts and other authoritarian types. It's essentially a vicious kind of humor, a laughing at those who are outside norms, and/or unable to defend themselves. Most people with any compassion won't even recognize this crap as humor.</p> <p>I think there have always been examples of all three types of humor. That jackasses like Daniel Tosh dredge up authoritarian "humor" is to be expected from time to time, and condemned. Not silenced, but condemned.</p> <p>I don't think humor's changing particularly, aside from the usual shifts in topical material. </p> <p>Fans will tend to keep comedians and humorists on track. Ultimately, there's relatively little market for bullying authoritarian humor. Screaming foul when a comic gets out of line does help. Even Tosh has now sort-a kind-a apologized for his rape "jokes":</p> <p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/11/showbiz/daniel-tosh-jokes-apology-ew/index.html">http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/11/showbiz/daniel-tosh-jokes-apology-ew/…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446623&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X8YhXXNe_pfCJcASbSceXQrHKUlWI_sfC_Uy8kb5xMk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HalfMooner (not verified)</span> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446623">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446624" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342084502"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, OK. Most of us have moved beyond rape jokes, but maybe not everybody. It really is true that the recognition of rape and other forms of sexual molestation as a problem is more recent than Carlin's routines. The whole point of this post is change over time. Citing decades old comedy made by a cutting edge edgy comedian who offended everybody but usually hilariously supports the actual argument I make. </p> <p>Society is moving in the right direction (and away from rape as a casual theme is the right direction) more quickly than comedy is, apparently. That there are respected comedians who people like making rape jokes is not justification. It is, in fact, possible that there is a funny rape joke. I can not rule it out. At the moment, I'm not thinking of any.</p> <p>TTT, "It would be funny if five guys raped you right there" and "The Producers" are not comparable. This is part of the problem here. I'm admitting that there could be a funny rape joke. But people who want unfettered joking about rape seem incapable of admitting that there can be an offensive rape joke. Can someone please explain this to me? </p> <p>It is also true that I don't follow modern comedy. And so, I very much appreciate this extra information. Keep it coming. </p> <p>Also, do keep in mind that there is a second version of this story in which Tosh didn't do anything wrong or even slightly questionable. That version comes from him and the manager of the club, and it is a bit garbled, but it is out there. They are essentially calling the women liars, but doing so by saying that the quotes were taken out of context. However, the quotes were given in full context, so if Tosh and the manager are right, then they (the women) lied about the statements that were made AND the context.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446624&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SEHZdFhv-QMRh2TbNaXtrztp1zzNV_k6RVHjj-Yupes"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 12 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446624">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446625" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342161443"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am a Heavy Metal listener to a point. Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc. One thing I have noticed with Metal is that each generation seems hell bent on outdoing the previous generation. That to me is how we got bands like Cannibal Corpse and Slipknot. Two bands that I wouldn't listen to at all. These bands seem to only want to be more dark and scary than the band before. They don't think too much about substance.<br /> This is where I think comedy goes as well. They saw that Carlin or Lewis Black or Don Rickles were outrageous and they decide to be more outrageous. Jim Norton comes to mind. These comedians have at some point conflated the concept being outrageous with the concept of being offensive. Carlin and Black and many of the others offended a lot of people. But usually it was a specific group that had power or authority that they (the group) might be abusing. The real problem is the Fair and Balanced treatment. "I offend everyone, so it is ok,"<br /> So to your latest question. I think that many of these modern comedians believe that to be truly funny you must be offensive. Many off the tweets that have supported Tosh have been from comedians expressing that thought. if you don't offend someone in the audience, you aren't funny.<br /> What concerns me more is that when Tosh wanted to respond to someone in the audience telling him that he was being offensive and not funny, he went immediately to gang rape as the response. That spooked me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446625&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t72kA-ChWC2O_UG4oYkhrRY1JWyA7MT7RJVRoYUNB2I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">M (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446625">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446626" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342161699"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Here are the funny rape jokes:</p> <p><a href="http://kateharding.info/2012/07/13/15-rape-jokes-that-work/">http://kateharding.info/2012/07/13/15-rape-jokes-that-work/</a></p> <p>Except they are not rape jokes so much as anti rape jokes.</p> <p>Kinda like saying "I found some funny racist jokes" and they are jokes about racists, not about how silly or stupid or funny looking some ethic group or another is. </p> <p>But, people will claim that these jokes are the same as "It would be funy if five guys raped you right now"</p> <p>because there are people who need their rape and their rape jokes and who need rape to be more OK than it is.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446626&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="quFeoyzGibdfeOWr-uK3sPdJBk6zKcJ6_GTUL47rhY4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 13 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446626">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446627" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342176622"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Humor is about presentation of surprise. Probably it's more a relative function of what you understand about the world around you than merely being subjective, which is why your sense of humor (hopefully) develops as you get older. In other words, what strikes you as funny is partly a function of intelligence and social awareness.</p> <p>Comedians also have their own culture and are prone to their own kind of group-think. There's an idea floating out there that being an obnoxious jerk is automatically funny. Says something about the state of our society, no?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446627&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uSPWKxn4AWKfxQn7jyYGt8gV3mnJhd-20gd-Cy630as"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">I. Snarlalot (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446627">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446628" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342218932"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tosh has always seemed rather sophomoric to me. But I can still imagine defending him, especially if he admits to misreading the situation or even just being an ass with a mic,</p> <p>As for over-the-line offensive but somehow still good...<br /> Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr pop to mind.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446628&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZEpWps8mZJvGCzWiTHauXWWLmQ_QwYKqXQI-_HLCYoo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">travc (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446628">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446629" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342227131"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I. Snarlalot<br /> July 13, 12:50 pm</p> <p>Humor is about presentation of surprise."</p> <p>Very good point. Perhaps I should not preface all my own stuff with a detailed explanation of what is to follow? Maybe my explaining the gags at the end is less than productive, too.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446629&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KWL02zvCqunhuhZZ0aDLjt5-Lye0bnu-Wvk9ob7Cex4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HalfMooner (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446629">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446630" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342239232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"The comedian who offended everyone at an atheist conference in Australia earlier this year"<br /> Nice of you to speak on behalf of EVERYONE at the AAI conference. I had no idea that all those people wiping away the tears of laughter while Jim Jefferies absolutely destroyed on stage, were secretly traumatised and offended deep down inside. Quit trying to project your own prudishness on to everyone else to try and give your babyish whining some validity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446630&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nGjxyrRQM6LiC4uJs9mFietrY-0LYX1CXME__PAL-Fs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rhyshole (not verified)</span> on 14 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446630">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446631" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342249968"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Where you there? What it a good show? Everyone else I know hated it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446631&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BG_0HwOzVLRQeEVnFVdivRG8ZvgVFPnYhkqpdUoCGbI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 14 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446631">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446632" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342255508"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Humor can be powerful stuff, but I tend to balk at the notion that it has to be about power relationships. </p> <p>Take puns. </p> <p>Then there's P. G. Wodehouse. Out of nowhere he could drop in a very subtle turn of phrase that can, for seemingly mysterious reasons, put a smile on my face.</p> <p>On the other hand, you have to wonder about people who are perpetually moved to hilarity over the most predictable clichés, or who always fall for the most obvious set-ups leading to the laziest punch lines. </p> <p>And then there's the debasement known as talk radio, which confuses meanness with humor much the way that rapists confuse violence with sex. It's just not humor. Putting it in a political context and labeling it as such doesn't make it so.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446632&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kKvy0unG4n0dZsJ966lSvvbCTb5MmwNgEgLvCpoOmGg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">I. Snarlalot (not verified)</span> on 14 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446632">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446633" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342258139"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"...put a smile on my face."</p> <p>And thus, the patriarchy! </p> <p>" most obvious set-ups leading to the laziest punch lines."</p> <p>Ooops, I just did that, didn't I.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446633&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H8O6GGlW3J3jwkU-zvAynCEJeDfpT4VfiaPPtrjUPDk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 14 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446633">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446634" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342529428"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just watch last night's Daily Show. Very funny.<br /><a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-july-16-2012-louis-c-k">http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-july-16-2012-louis-c-k</a>-</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446634&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wNFonE9-wClaApZtC8SpRclOKxs-SeGVX4gW6YyIlCw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">podunkmo (not verified)</span> on 17 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446634">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1446635" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342531307"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>podunkmo, interesting.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446635&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aD57x5IaEOv3PnmxxXSXODR1AWZ9E6eyy1VuaR_jxCI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 17 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446635">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1446636" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1342575375"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg I hope you can see that Louis CK is one of those rare comedians who act as the king's fool. Able to criticise with humor. Also I was right, he wasn't commenting on that guy Tosh's rape jokes. Try and catch more of Louis CK on youtube.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1446636&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="82XOiVQP7fHMOzeHk8cyZZ5eCiZWXo67qXwW5uuVWIg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phil (not verified)</span> on 17 Jul 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-1446636">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2012/07/11/comedians-and-society%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:00:01 +0000 gregladen 31880 at https://scienceblogs.com Late For Work https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/19/late-for-work <span>Late For Work</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Late+For+Work" rel="tag">Late For Work</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/jobs" rel="tag">jobs</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/employment" rel="tag">employment</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/fucking+hilarious" rel="tag">fucking hilarious</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/social+observation" rel="tag">social observation</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>It's hot, you were up late drinking with your friends and now it's Monday morning -- again! Unlike some videos that I share with you, this one gets straight to the point -- a point that we've all achieved at some time during our lives. </p> <!--more--><object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/kfchvCyHmsc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kfchvCyHmsc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?showinfo=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object></div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Sun, 07/18/2010 - 23:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/behavior" hreflang="en">behavior</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cultural-observation" hreflang="en">cultural observation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/employment" hreflang="en">employment</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fucking-hilarious" hreflang="en">fucking hilarious</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/funny" hreflang="en">funny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jobs" hreflang="en">Jobs</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/late-work" hreflang="en">Late For Work</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/social-observation" hreflang="en">social observation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-video" hreflang="en">streaming video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/video" hreflang="en">Video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/behavior" hreflang="en">behavior</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cultural-observation" hreflang="en">cultural observation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/employment" hreflang="en">employment</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076521" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279632173"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. that's me, every day!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076521&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5SvLk53mOWG56dKhudPGxb1CfXUbWu-uFVtGz_yf40s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cc (not verified)</span> on 20 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076521">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076522" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279940227"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>hahah its so accurate</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076522&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eZ23tps_Yxw8EZ_wmOuU2I7nKYkAv45KJN2CViLukAQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">casey (not verified)</span> on 23 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076522">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2010/07/19/late-for-work%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:59:19 +0000 grrlscientist 91076 at https://scienceblogs.com Magic Mormon Underwear https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/18/magic-mormon-underwear <span>Magic Mormon Underwear</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Mormonism" rel="tag">Mormonism</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/religion" rel="tag">religion</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/cults" rel="tag">cults</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/mind+control" rel="tag">mind control</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Magic+Mormon+Underwear" rel="tag">Magic Mormon Underwear</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/moron" rel="tag">moron</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/offbeat" rel="tag">offbeat</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/silly" rel="tag">silly</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/beliefs" rel="tag">beliefs</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/insanity" rel="tag">insanity</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/education" rel="tag">education</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>I've lived among mormons for more years than I care to think about, and yes, the magic underwear was one of those mysteries that us kids speculated on when the adults weren't around. As if they were flies upon the walls of my childhood, the Thinking Atheist has made this video that discusses the the Mormon church's most famous "secret."</p> <!--more--><object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6cbfgmorIGE&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6cbfgmorIGE&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?showinfo=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object></div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Sun, 07/18/2010 - 00:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/behavior" hreflang="en">behavior</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cultural-observation" hreflang="en">cultural observation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/religion-0" hreflang="en">religion</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/satire" hreflang="en">satire</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/your-inner-child" hreflang="en">your inner child</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/beliefs" hreflang="en">beliefs</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cults" hreflang="en">cults</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/education" hreflang="en">education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/funny" hreflang="en">funny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/insanity" hreflang="en">insanity</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/magic-mormon-underwear" hreflang="en">Magic Mormon Underwear</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mind-control" hreflang="en">mind control</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mormonism" hreflang="en">mormonism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/moron" hreflang="en">moron</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/offbeat" hreflang="en">offbeat</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/silly" hreflang="en">silly</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-video" hreflang="en">streaming video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/video" hreflang="en">Video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/behavior" hreflang="en">behavior</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cultural-observation" hreflang="en">cultural observation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/religion-0" hreflang="en">religion</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/satire" hreflang="en">satire</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/your-inner-child" hreflang="en">your inner child</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076500" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279440324"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I never realised how much Mormonism had in common with Freemasonry. (But then I've never really paid a lot of attention to the details of the LDS.)</p> <p>I'm not a big fan of the Masons, so they hae that in common too. Secret societies seem like a dodgy idea to me. There were a lot of allegations of local government corruption here in the past centred around Masons. Not directly due to the organisation itself; rather that people who are members of the same secret society are placed in a position to get up to mischief. Much like membership of an exclusive golf club, only a bit more extreme.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076500&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_tqYKklEanlseg2BHkIClQwkfJU_pZx-i6ZoBMeQVy8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SimonG (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076500">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076501" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279441792"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't understand why you have to bleep any fucking thing out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076501&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FgCub2wai0sUgMbBlcnHJnicZllmSK5-BEE071zetbw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Durfus McGrew (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076501">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076502" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279452727"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Simon G at #1:</p> <blockquote><p>I'm not a big fan of the Masons, so they hae that in common too. Secret societies seem like a dodgy idea to me.</p></blockquote> <p>To give secret societies their due, they only seem like a dodgy idea from the viewpoint of an open society - but they originated in Europe in the age of Absolutism. In those days of blasphemy and lese majeste laws, many forward-looking ideas could only be discussed in secret or strict privacy and a good deal of the seminal thinking of the Enlightenment originated from secret societies (naturally, not all of the secret societies were progressive think-tanks, though - there were also enough that were conservative, mystical, irrelevant or outright scams). So let's not call them a bad idea, let's just call them a good idea whose day has passed.</p> <p>What differentiates the Mormons from the Masons, though, and makes them more problematic in my view, is their strictly hierarchical organization. Masonic lodges are mostly independent, so their specific nature varies wildly from lodge to lodge - some (probably most) are harmless social gatherings, some are power networks, and a few have been outright criminal (like the Italian lodge P2). The Mormon Church, by contrast, is completely hierarchical and authoritarian in structure, even if it's not particularly large - so when the wrong people are in charge, they can do a lot of damage.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076502&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4Ys5mt1a6PCvmlrVXHAhs7ifbVKi6TWhvvuPwAFt_es"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phillip IV (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076502">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076503" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279457121"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yes, keeping yourself secret is a lot more reasonable when the powers that be really are out to get you. It's hard to argue with that and I could see secrecy being important even today in some nations.</p> <p>Heirarchical structures - like the Mormons, as you say, and many other churches - are always dangerous. I think that some of the Mormons' problems come <i>because</i> they're not very large. A larger organisation would be liable to dissent and schism: the Mormon leadership can exercise tight control.</p> <p>Imagine how bad the RCC would be if the Pope and his pals had the same degree of control.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076503&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JjOjdOhb3lU9KQCPzjMpFoLByO3lgIBli-FXhs4X3TI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SimonG (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076503">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076504" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279464652"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"the Mormon leadership can exercise tight control."</p> <p>How exactly, besides the consent of the governed? Its not like the LDS Church has any policing or political power over individuals to leave and form their own Church if they are so inclined. For that matter, to leave the church altogether. Lots of people do. The biggest problem would be family and peer pressure, but what groups don't have that? Maybe you could say there was some power over membership during the formative years, but currently that is nonsense.</p> <p>And if you think the secret LDS Temples are in any way places to make secret plans and alliances, then its obvious you have no idea what takes place in them. And I mean facts about them that aren't secret that could explain how stupid such an idea can be. Every minute of the Temple is occupied by religious devotions and rituals. Once those end there is a short space of time for reflection, but that usually lasts at most ten minutes before moving on for the next group. If the Mormons are a "secret society," then its a very poor one because the membership is pretty open about who they are. As for recognizing each other by some things done in the Temple? If a Mormon was to mimic anything outside the Temple related to it, then they would be called out for blaspheme of the sacred. As for the sacred garment, again its not hidden. Ask a Mormon if they are wearing a garment and they will be honest about it and tell you yes or no. In fact, its not that hard to tell if they are if you know someone is Mormon.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076504&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DOoGTOf-9q33H1m5EehUazxJ38QTeBXwpBXzAO9QLNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jettboy (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076504">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076505" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279527805"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jettboy: You seem rather defensive. I didn't say that the Mormons are especially secretive, just that they have some ritual elements in common with the Masons, who are.</p> <p>As for the element of control, peer pressure can be extremely powerful. There is also the element of education, (ask a Jesuit). And whilst such forces can (and do) apply to other religions and churches the Mormons seem to be particularly intollerent of dissenting opinions.</p> <p>As I tried to point out, the RCC is probably just as intollerent of unapproved ideas but being so much larger it is unable to exercise the same degree of control.</p> <p>I think that the issue of recruitment is also important. The RCC, like many churches actively recruits new members. These members will come from a wide variety of different backgrounds and will have grown up with similarly varied educations and opinions. The impression I get is that the Mormons recruit a lot less and a larger proportions of their membership are descended from a long line of Mormons. These people will have grown up in the church and so be much more susceptile to the church's sway.</p> <p>Frankly, if the Mormon leadership wasn't able to exercise tight control I think the religion would largely die out in a couple of generationa as no sane woman would want anything to do with them, given a truly free choice.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076505&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YbFeoI-NcGQYFNt3rVjbaw6_VWpJH86brdwrLGuDG1c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SimonG (not verified)</span> on 19 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076505">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2010/07/18/magic-mormon-underwear%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 18 Jul 2010 04:59:04 +0000 grrlscientist 91072 at https://scienceblogs.com Atheists at Prayer https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/18/atheists-at-prayer <span>Atheists at Prayer</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Brother+Sam+Singleton+Atheist+Evangelist" rel="tag">Brother Sam Singleton Atheist Evangelist</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Atheists+at+Prayer" rel="tag">Atheists at Prayer</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/prayer" rel="tag">prayer</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/atheism" rel="tag">atheism</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/agnosticism" rel="tag">agnosticism</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/fucking+hilarious" rel="tag">fucking hilarious</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/satire" rel="tag">satire</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>This video features the colorful language and thoughts of my new boyfriend, Sam Singleton Atheist Evangelist as he discusses prayer-time etiquette for atheists. </p> <!--more--><p></p><center> <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eCNTfzepmbU&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eCNTfzepmbU&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object><p></p></center> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Sat, 07/17/2010 - 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This is the same clown who once buttonholed me with a question about his computer when I was three feet inside the door of the church for a friend's funeral.</p> <p>"Oh well, that's not like you're an atheist or anything", he said.</p> <p>Mind you, while the morphine is just barely taking the edge off the pain from the infection in my peritoneum, I am pretty much stoned off my ass. Any other time, I'd have never let it get that far. But I couldn't let that one go.</p> <p>"All right, you got me - I'm an atheist. I just don't believe in god."</p> <p>And then he said something else, I don't remember what, and damned if he didn't go ahead and pray in Jesus name and everything. I was in no condition to dignify the affront with an argument or even a loud stream of profanity. I just lay there in silence.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076493&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0tYMejaBfU284ugrlwlll4uiAvok7cfVmCl66xy2xfo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.decrepitoldfool.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">george.w (not verified)</a> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076493">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076494" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279446021"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A while back my brother was assigned the task of giving the prayer at a Toastmasters Meeting. I don't know if he's religious or not. The theme of this meeting was humor. So he gave the shortest prayer I've ever heard:<br /> For good food<br /> For good meat<br /> Good Lord<br /> Let's Eat!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076494&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ez95AYrsoI7w4P0aLBavi_JQGlv7SzTz_xHvyBnXw6A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Roland (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076494">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076495" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279451247"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>At large public prayers, I like to use the opportunity to look around the venue for other people who are also looking around the room. Make eye contact, smile, and give 'em a nod. You'd be surprised how many people in a group of say, 1000 people, are doing the same thing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076495&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_yo3zIZ3L6u8q3QU9vJyaZ0BdPw6uGvfF_xIkp0SAIg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HP (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076495">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076496" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279485323"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I go ahead and pray, and I can say a mean Grace. I've stopped confronting people with harsh reality; I never did convert anybody anyhow. I say "thank god", and I tell people I'll pray for them when what I really mean is I wish them well. Helps to keep social interactions flowing. I'm not closeted though, if anybody asks me for my opinion on any spiritual matter, I immediately tell them there is no such thing. And I love to prattle on about evolutionary biology and neuroscience and WHY I'm convinced there is no such thing.</p> <p>But I'm one of those atheists that thinks that belief in an afterlife is pretty much innate for H. sapiens, so I have no hopes of ever living in a rational world.</p> <p>I don't advocate for other atheists to do the same as me, I believe in freedom of speech, and many people (though luckily not me) are oppressed by religious intolerance, so I support those who fight the good fight. CFI gets my donations.</p> <p>I guess my 2 cents is that it's ok for atheists to play along with the religious conventions of the society at large to which they belong. "I was in no condition to dignify the affront with an argument or even a loud stream of profanity", said @george w. I don't get that, the priest was (in his mind) praying for your salvation. That's kind of a nice thing to do, I don't see why you're offended.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076496&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rQeaEgO2Vg_pJpKgL_ker3eWu-xLan4B04BHgO8OG-I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">blueshifter (not verified)</span> on 18 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076496">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076497" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279550225"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My favorite is Catholic mass. No body of Christ for me!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076497&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9aOKl0Uu10RbDDgWXzPcHPYYfu0nJaFhycrOf9zt5RM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andrew (not verified)</span> on 19 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076497">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076498" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279569195"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I don't get that, the priest was (in his mind) praying for your salvation. That's kind of a nice thing to do, I don't see why you're offended.</p></blockquote> <p> I guess you're the type of ass who sees no problem in offering a Hindu a hamburger.<br /> Does being basically held hostage in a hospital bed and and enduring some prat prate on about some childish and irrational belief mean nothing to you? What if the guy had been pushing Scientology or his brand of racial supremacy? In his mind he's doing something nice. *headdesk*</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076498&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lj9WIrwjot-IslKFjAVA0oPh7I5EHNW9i81Fyb0fWkE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">E.V. (not verified)</span> on 19 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076498">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076499" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279983394"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't pray nor do I encourage others...in their delusions...to do the same. If I am in someones home (for dinner for instance) and they wish to pray over the food...I remain silent with my arms crossed waiting for the nonsense to stop. If someone is in my home and asks if I mind if they "say grace" at my table...I tell them if it turns em on...go for it. In the meantime...I'm filling my plate and eating. If I am ill and some moron wants to pray for my healing...I usually laugh and tell them to keep their voodoo witchdoctors BS to themselves.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076499&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TW673DEYmGmmd68Zwqhc0gYlY64cWOBqNEN6aMg91bI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Perfectly Human (not verified)</span> on 24 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076499">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2010/07/18/atheists-at-prayer%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:59:29 +0000 grrlscientist 91071 at https://scienceblogs.com Yummy Old Spice Man Delivers Marriage Proposal https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/15/yummy-old-spice-man-delivers-m <span>Yummy Old Spice Man Delivers Marriage Proposal</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Yummy+Old+Spice+Man+Delivers+Marriage+Proposal" rel="tag">Yummy Old Spice Man Delivers Marriage Proposal</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/television" rel="tag">television</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/celebrity+gossip" rel="tag">celebrity gossip</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Old+Spice+Man" rel="tag">Old Spice Man</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Man+on+a+Horse" rel="tag">Man on a Horse</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Isaiah+Mustafa" rel="tag">Isaiah Mustafa</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>This video is totally cheesy, except for a couple things: first, the impetus for it was a tweet from a guy asking the Old Spice Man to deliver a marriage proposal to his girlfriend and second, well, it features another look at the very yummy Old Spice Man, Isaiah Mustafa. This sweet video is a perfect blend of romantic cheese, humor and good old-fashioned lust. I wish I had a marriage proposal delivered by him .. squeeeeee!!</p> <!--more--><object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_-fLV28SkZ8&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_-fLV28SkZ8&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?showinfo=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object></div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Wed, 07/14/2010 - 23:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sexuality" hreflang="en">sexuality</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/celebrity-gossip" hreflang="en">celebrity gossip</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/funny" hreflang="en">funny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/isaiah-mustafa" hreflang="en">Isaiah Mustafa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/man-horse" hreflang="en">Man on a Horse</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/old-spice-man" hreflang="en">Old Spice Man</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sex-appeal" hreflang="en">sex appeal</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-video" hreflang="en">streaming video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/television" hreflang="en">television</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/video" hreflang="en">Video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/yummy-old-spice-man-delivers-marriage-proposal" hreflang="en">Yummy Old Spice Man Delivers Marriage Proposal</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sexuality" hreflang="en">sexuality</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2010/07/15/yummy-old-spice-man-delivers-m%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 03:59:56 +0000 grrlscientist 91056 at https://scienceblogs.com What Do You Get a Heroin Addict for Christmas? https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/14/what-do-you-get-a-heroin-addic <span>What Do You Get a Heroin Addict for Christmas?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/What+Do+You+get+a+Heroin+Addict+for+Christmas?" rel="tag">What Do You get a Heroin Addict for Christmas?</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/television" rel="tag">television</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/christmas" rel="tag">christmas</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/satire" rel="tag">satire</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Mitchell+and+Webb" rel="tag">Mitchell and Webb</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/BBC" rel="tag">BBC</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>For those of you who are starting to think about (GAG!!) Christmas shopping already, I thought you might find this funny. I am still trying to figure out what the "message" here is ... </p> <!--more--><div class="centeredCaption"> <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WFM_yhZfFGg&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WFM_yhZfFGg&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?showinfo=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object></div> <p>More at BBC's <a target="window" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0092s71">That Mitchell and Webb Look</a> site. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Tue, 07/13/2010 - 23:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/satire" hreflang="en">satire</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bbc" hreflang="en">BBC</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/christmas" hreflang="en">Christmas</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/funny" hreflang="en">funny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mitchell-and-webb" hreflang="en">mitchell and webb</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-video" hreflang="en">streaming video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/television" hreflang="en">television</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/video" hreflang="en">Video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/what-do-you-get-heroin-addict-christmas" hreflang="en">What Do You get a Heroin Addict for Christmas?</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/satire" hreflang="en">satire</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076381" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279088448"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I think the point is the bit with Gran (and Mum) at the end...just taken to absurd extreme.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076381&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" 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https://scienceblogs.com The 2009 Ig Nobel Prize for Public Health https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/13/the-2009-ig-nobel-prize-for-pu <span>The 2009 Ig Nobel Prize for Public Health</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/The+2009+Ig+Nobel+Prize+for+Public+Health" rel="tag">The 2009 Ig Nobel Prize for Public Health</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/fucking+hilarious" rel="tag">fucking hilarious</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/sports" rel="tag">sports</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/science" rel="tag">science</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/technology" rel="tag">technology</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/invention" rel="tag">invention</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/public+health" rel="tag">public health</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/gas+mask" rel="tag">gas mask</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/brassiere" rel="tag">brassiere</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>I know this is a little late, but the 2009 Ig Nobel Prize for Public Health Prize was awarded to Dr. Elena Bodnar for her invention of a brassiere that, in an emergency, can be quickly converted into a pair of protective face masks, one for the brassiere wearer and one to be given to a needy bystander of her choice. Her acceptance speech is absolutely hilarious (which is the reason I am sharing this with you today), and she also demonstrates the usefulness of her brassiere on Nobel laureates Wolfgang Ketterle, Orhan Pamuk, and Paul Krugman.</p> <!--more--><object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Kxf3HK21BWI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Kxf3HK21BWI&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?showinfo=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object><p> Dr. Elena Bodnar can be contacted at the <a target="window" href="http://trmri.org/">Trauma Risk Management Research Institute</a>. Read more about her brassiere at the <a target="window" href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=z_WAAAAAEBAJ&amp;dq=7255627">US Patent Office</a> and you can learn more about the IgNobel Prizes at the Journal for <a target="window" href="http://improbable.com/ig/2009/">Improbable Research</a>. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Tue, 07/13/2010 - 00:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/brassiere" hreflang="en">brassiere</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fucking-hilarious" hreflang="en">fucking hilarious</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/funny" hreflang="en">funny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gas-mask" hreflang="en">gas mask</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/invention" hreflang="en">invention</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/public-health" hreflang="en">public health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science" hreflang="en">Science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sports" hreflang="en">Sports</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-video" hreflang="en">streaming video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/technology" hreflang="en">Technology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/2009-ig-nobel-prize-public-health" hreflang="en">The 2009 Ig Nobel Prize for Public Health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/video" hreflang="en">Video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076395" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279023333"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just what small-breasted needed: another reason to feel self-conscious! They can't even be much help in an emergency.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076395&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5JmCBZe8efcC3boaLtJrbPf0E8XHN94MqFguPtXAVE8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ian Paulsen (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076395">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2010/07/13/the-2009-ig-nobel-prize-for-pu%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:59:41 +0000 grrlscientist 91053 at https://scienceblogs.com Happiest DJ On Earth https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/07/13/happiest-dj-on-earth <span>Happiest DJ On Earth</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Happiest+DJ+On+Earth" rel="tag">Happiest DJ On Earth</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/jobs" rel="tag">jobs</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/employment" rel="tag">employment</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/humor" rel="tag">humor</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/funny" rel="tag">funny</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/comedy" rel="tag">comedy</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/disc+jockey" rel="tag">disc jockey</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/David+Guetta" rel="tag">David Guetta</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/streaming+video" rel="tag">streaming video</a></span></p> <p>Some people have jobs they love, and then there's this guy ... he's burning off more calories doing his job than most people burn at the gym!</p> <!--more--><object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_ZrEWwbjMK4&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?rel=0" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_ZrEWwbjMK4&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1?showinfo=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object></div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Mon, 07/12/2010 - 23:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/behavior" hreflang="en">behavior</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/employment" hreflang="en">employment</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/comedy" hreflang="en">comedy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/david-guetta" hreflang="en">David Guetta</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/disc-jockey" hreflang="en">disc jockey</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/funny" hreflang="en">funny</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/happiest-dj-earth" hreflang="en">Happiest DJ On Earth</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/humor" hreflang="en">humor</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jobs" hreflang="en">Jobs</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-video" hreflang="en">streaming video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/video" hreflang="en">Video</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/behavior" hreflang="en">behavior</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/employment" hreflang="en">employment</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/streaming-videos" hreflang="en">streaming videos</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076382" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278998244"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Can someone please id the second song?<br /> I suddenly felt like dancing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076382&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pSuQx7Teay6ozK6PF9vo1ImOZfefZqeyC3jtwYQ8A_U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">another happy (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076382">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076383" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279003911"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@another happy:</p> <p>The song is "Memories", by David Guetta.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076383&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QTccKauWaTyFbpX2_bRnovhooVhKaFgUerIYGSXfVRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brian (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076383">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076384" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279012020"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>DJing sitting down? With a Laptop? Blaspheme!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076384&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CqD6RhUjrscylsBhH7kQE-cRM-09Ncn53qPUE121v3Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">djmannik (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076384">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2076385" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279027037"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Gay</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2076385&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4TH5wKE6JmdijSurI-4aLm42m8gGIC7rmGo7IA8B1Bo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Tesh (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2010 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/1509/feed#comment-2076385">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2010/07/13/happiest-dj-on-earth%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:59:44 +0000 grrlscientist 91049 at https://scienceblogs.com