sunstones https://scienceblogs.com/ en Silfurberg https://scienceblogs.com/catdynamics/2013/03/11/silfurberg <span>Silfurberg</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When I was about 9 years old, my grandmother gave me a piece of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland_spar">Iceland Spar</a>, it had belonged to my grandfather and she felt I ought to have it. </p> <div style="width: 310px;"><a href="/files/catdynamics/files/2013/03/silfurberg.jpg"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/catdynamics/files/2013/03/silfurberg-300x225.jpg" alt="Iceland Spar" width="300" height="225" class="size-medium wp-image-3133" /></a>Iceland Spar </div> <p>This is the piece, my kids have it now, somewhere along the way it broke into three pieces while in storage. </p> <p>She showed me the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birefringence">birefringence</a>, I remember playing with it for hours. I also remember having had it impressed upon me that it was important, not just a curio, though I am also acutely aware of the possibility that I have reinterpreted my partial memories based on what I learned later.</p> <div style="width: 310px;"><a href="/files/catdynamics/files/2013/03/birefringence.jpg"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/catdynamics/files/2013/03/birefringence-300x225.jpg" alt="Birefringence in Iceland Spar" width="300" height="225" class="size-medium wp-image-3134" /></a> Birefringence in Iceland Spar. </div> <p>The doubled image due to the different index of refraction of the two polarization states is clear.</p> <p>I also have memories, possibly real, of having the piece at scout camp, probably when I was 11, in early spring, and looking at the clouds with it. I didn't see anything, in retrospect my eyesight had already deteriorated then and I couldn't have. I have memories of some older scouts saying "they could see it!".</p> <p>Seen what?<br /> Assuming my memories are not false?</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21693140">'Viking sunstone' found in shipwreck</a> - well, in the Sagas there are tales of the "Sunstone", not to be confused with the loadstone, and how it could be used to find the Sun in the open sea.<br /> The records are not as sketchy as news stories make out, <a href="http://www.raunvis.hi.is/~leo/vef_rit_icelandspar.html"> Documents relating to Iceland spar - Leó Kristjánsson</a> at the University of Iceland has a good collection of references and articles. There was a "solarium" find in a Greenland settlement in about 1956, which lead to some interesting articles in Icelandic magazines, and in 1969 a danish archaeologist, Thorkild Ramskou, wrote a book on sunstones. So, it is quite plausible that the concept would have been actively discussed around me when I was of an impressionable age, it was a topic for well read people to contemplate.</p> <p>In particular after the Sagas, church records show "solaria" as capital items, they were listed in the 14th century as a valuable, but it also seems clear to me the records confound several different items: some seem to be calcite or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordierite">cordierite</a>, one reference records the loss of the sunstone by an ignoramus who could not tell it from rocks on the beach (so not Iceland Spar, but possibly cordierite); others seem to refer to sundials, or stones carved with the cardinal directions, possibly for use with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodestone">loadstones</a>. </p> <p>There is also a reference to a traveler in earlier times who used ravens to seek land, because back then they didn't know about sunstones... the Sagas imply a discovery and technological development path over the 9th-11th centuries, if one assimilates the context of different accounts.</p> <p>So, in principle, one can use the polarizing properties of silfurberg and other minerals to localize the Sun's position on a cloudy day or at twilight, a handy skill if you are stuck in mid-ocean late on a cloudy day.<br /> How, exactly, this is done is disputed, though (op cit) there are numerous speculations on how one might do it. The most plausible explanation is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidinger%27s_brush">Haidinger's Brush</a> - it would be consistent with the tales, and explain why it was a talent that few mastered and could be lost.</p> <p>When, as an astronomer, older and more cynical, I heard of the legendary sunstones, my reaction was "duh, every child knows that...".<br /> But that is not reliable.</p> <p>However, my recollection is that in that scout camp several of us knew, through some oral osmosis, that you were supposed to be able to see the Sun on a cloudy day using that crystal.<br /> I don't think any of us did.<br /> We were on land, with familiar landmarks, we all knew the cardinal directions from that location.<br /> Dropping us off in mid-ocean for a blind test was not feasible.</p> <p>But I still have it.<br /> I'm a theorist.</p> <p>So, wtf, I took it out this afternoon and looked.</p> <p>Now, it was cloudy, but the cloud cover was not thick though the Sun was covered. I rotated the crystal while scanning with peripheral vision, hoping to catch the yellow tint at an angle off the Sun, I couldn't have triangulated on the Sun from both sides, the sky was clear to the west, but it was worth a try.</p> <p>I did not see Haidinger's Brush.<br /> Somewhat to my surprise though I saw a very clear glint offset from the Sun by an acute angle. It was reproducible and photographed (see below).<br /> The onset was sudden and only worked over a narrow angle and rotation angle.</p> <div style="width: 310px;"><a href="/files/catdynamics/files/2013/03/glint.jpg"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/catdynamics/files/2013/03/glint-300x225.jpg" alt="Glint in the sky" width="300" height="225" class="size-medium wp-image-3135" /></a> Glint in the sky- the Sun is to the right, off image </div> <p>This is a feeble reproduction of the glint I caught. By eye the contrast was sharper and there was a clear refraction rainbow.</p> <p>So, what is it?<br /> Well, it is pretty clearly coming from an internal fault plane in the crystal - presumably a complete reflection of one component of polarization of the light.<br /> It gives a sharp response function at a quite acute angle, but what I don't know is whether the clouds were "thick enough" - I could have been seeing direct sunlight from a gap in the clouds.</p> <p>I am somewhat intrigued, and may try it again if I can get a cloudy sky near evening with a clear line of sight to the horizon. If this works with serious cloud cover, that´d certainly do the trick.<br /> For now though I suspect stray light contamination.<br /> Good fun though. Excellent for illustrating some modern optics.</p> <p>Oh, I have not seen the "Vikings", the new History Channel series, but I caught a few minute glimpse of the second episode this evening and ads for the first two episodes.<br /> The "sunstone" they show is the wrong shape and colour, one of these annoying details that are so needless.<br /> Looks like a fun docudrama series though. One of my bigger culture shocks was hearing tales of <a href="http://www.snerpa.is/net/forn/ragnar.htm">Ragnar Loðbrók</a> from the English perspective after having read the Icelandic version...<br /> However, it is rather unlikely he (in so far as he is not a composite character) lead the raid on Lindisfarne in 793, as he most certainly died in 865.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/catdynamics" lang="" about="/author/catdynamics" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">catdynamics</a></span> <span>Sun, 03/10/2013 - 21:22</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astro" hreflang="en">astro</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/iceland" hreflang="en">Iceland</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sunstones" hreflang="en">sunstones</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vikings" hreflang="en">vikings</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1895653" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1362990936"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>With both a sunstone and a lodestone it should have been possible to deduce that the geomagnetic and geographic poles are in different locations, particularly at the high latitudes where the Vikings sailed--the variation and/or declination would be noticeably different in Iceland as compared to Norway. The Vikings could certainly navigate with precision by the standards of the day; Iceland is a much smaller target than Norway or Greenland. But the sailors may not have been in the habit of writing things down.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1895653&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LTTKeCuQTwM0y1R2n-YdGIdfMwyML_4LF_C59bOjgys"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17180/feed#comment-1895653">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1895654" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1362999324"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cool!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1895654&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KYk72s70Hvk3WVXU5gkN4cWodFCykLe0whI6l3AM8UI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">GregH (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17180/feed#comment-1895654">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1895655" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363033607"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interesting! Keep us updated when you try it again with more cloud cover!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1895655&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ND11A4IeG0tBWCWqhML-W0WpY1-u7HPc-UU05_62afg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Serge D. (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17180/feed#comment-1895655">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1895656" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363040067"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>what did your Grandfather do that he would of had a sunstone and your Grandmother thought it was important to pass it on to you?any family history about it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1895656&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oB3E5WGCMq-cPqakK8CE3r7V7WHDKioLpz8xq4hYGQM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">scidog (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17180/feed#comment-1895656">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="80" id="comment-1895657" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363040322"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>He was a pharmacist, my father as it turns out, I found out later, also had a nice piece of Iceland Spar.<br /> I think most educated people had a piece, a lot of people who traveled around the east coast would pick up a piece, it was just one of these things people had.<br /> It was in the "box of useful things one might need", with the good pocketknife and spare shotgun shells.<br /> I'm pretty sure I was given it when I did because I was joining the scouts. Also got the good knife then.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1895657&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iqmHcJuuuwHKsKUjJHhXa-Q0So6G7Dwj1Yg5Zj0hA98"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/catdynamics" lang="" about="/author/catdynamics" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">catdynamics</a> on 11 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17180/feed#comment-1895657">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/catdynamics"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/catdynamics" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/G-e1465605125832-120x120.jpg?itok=MIU_l5--" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user catdynamics" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/catdynamics/2013/03/11/silfurberg%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:22:07 +0000 catdynamics 66495 at https://scienceblogs.com