barn swallow https://scienceblogs.com/ en Mystery Bird: Barn Swallow, Hirundo rustica https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/09/21/todays-mystery-bird-for-you-to-362 <span>Mystery Bird: Barn Swallow, Hirundo rustica</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Barn+Swallow" rel="tag">Barn Swallow</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Hirundo+rustica" rel="tag">Hirundo rustica</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/birds" rel="tag">birds</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/mystery+bird" rel="tag">mystery bird</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/bird+ID+quiz" rel="tag">bird ID quiz</a></span></p> <div class="centeredCaption"> <p><a target="window" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/84727393@N00/3940421392/"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2592/3940421392_d10587c08d.jpg" width="500" height="400" /></a></p> <p><strike>[Mystery bird]</strike> Barn Swallow, <i>Hirundo rustica</i>, photographed at Bob Road, Bolivar Peninsula, Texas. [I will identify this bird for you in 48 hours]</p> <p>Image: <a target="window" href="http://www.pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/">Joseph Kennedy</a>, 4 August 2009 [<a target="window" href="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2592/3940421392_4f151701a0_o.jpg" width="800" height="640"></a>larger view]. </p> <p>Nikon D200, Kowa 883 telescope with TSN-PZ camera eyepiece 1/500s f/8.0 at 1000.0mm iso400. </p> </div> <p><span style="color: red; font-size: 14px">Please name at least one field mark that supports your identification. </span></p> <!--more--><p><a target="window" href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/bird_id_quiz/">Review all mystery birds to date</a>. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Mon, 09/21/2009 - 03:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> 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data-comment-timestamp="1253527185"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>cliff swallows: head markings, wing shape on the ground, mud-gathering behaviour</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070084&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="klnVh88bNshHk2k9MmXE6TnEhJ_EROy6yZ_cRO4mRBs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://RealistAtLarge.Blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">travelgirl (not verified)</a> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070084">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070085" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253529742"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>cave swallow: dark rump and sides on the background bird, absence of a dark patch below rufous throat</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070085&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AK2uHQWJfsBxi9Vv4UXgxbgDY-Myf7AX1cfDQM-6LDE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sourpersimmon (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070085">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070086" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253532936"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Barn Swallows Chestnut colored breast, swallow tailed. Gestault,mud gathering.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070086&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0Ra0p6RCC2IUMPxCVcshcdsndL6MbUnORVyA8YiGyJs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">judy roth (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070086">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070087" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253538452"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The bird in the foreground is an immature Barn Swallow. Neither Cave or Cliff Swallows have any white markings on the tail, and in their first summer, Barn Swallows are quite light below. Neither Cliff or Cave Swallows have the throat band.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070087&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iuMjff8hkcvXHIolm4koXxLZaxuKaW7GsNWE3iegFHw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carl Buell (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070087">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070088" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253547812"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I agree -- Barn Swallow. I am a little concerned about the tail spots -- I'm not quite sure they're not simply a highlight. Similarly, the throat band might be an effect of the way the feathers are ruffled. Put the two together and they're highly suggestive. I think the final point is visible on the rear bird. The wing linings appear buffy to cinnamon. According to some old, blurry photos, Barn Swallow should be the only one of the three to show this.<br /> I don't believe these birds are gathering mud -- the surface appears dry, and both birds are turned to one side. I'm not sure if they are dust-bathing, or (more likely) anting, where they allow ants to remove parasites from their skins and feathers.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070088&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="j2mbGaUQQ9luTG_c_L2h-74B5sC6IkhbvzyHkV0hNjM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">psweet (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070088">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070089" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253560925"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>LOL, I wonder where this photo came from...? For comparison, a Cave Swallow, <i>Petrochelidon fulva</i>, and a Barn Swallow, <i>Hirundo rustica</i>, side by side, also photographed in Texas... </p> <p>(<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/01/todays_mystery_bird_for_you_to_134.php">http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/01/todays_mystery_bird_for_y…</a>)</p> <p>However on the photo above, while the bird in the background appears to indeed be a Barn Swallow, I am troubled by the lack of orange on the undertail coverts on the bird in the foreground (is this Carl's "quite light below"?) because I have noted that while immature Barn Swallows are indeed pale on the belly, so too is the throat paler than as pictured above... although again, it is unclear (perhaps lacking) whether there are tail streamers as in mature adults... as this photo was from Texas taken last month and Barn Swallows are typically the last swallow to migrate South, even as late as early Winter, perhaps this was an immature bird a month prior to this photo and will be "mature" bird right about now... exactly when does "immature" become "mature"?! Is this a tweenie <i>H.r.erythrogaster</i>?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070089&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NBYAvTIWMb3Mig6LPEMmz3RN8rHBDaOQsTS-TgVM10s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070089">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070090" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253561227"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I apologise, apparently I cut off part of the URL... the side by side comparison of Cave and Barn as presented by Grrl in January 2009 can be found here:</p> <p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/01/todays_mystery_bird_for_you_to_134.php">http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/01/todays_mystery_bird_for_y…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070090&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qLDQCH-JYvlokTbZ8FhONYqdV1GlDOiQOEZ458DsBHo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070090">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070091" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253609796"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi, my first impression was juvenile Barn Swallow with an adult in the background, my experience of Cliff and Cave is limited but these two here appear to have longer wings than Cliff/Cave. Also the undertail coverts appear to be unmarked.<br /> David, In the UK Barns can have 2 or even three broods so during August there can be a mixture of ages together with earlier broods helping to rear the later ones, I don't know if the same applies in the US.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070091&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t1xnIGOTfoPiQeq2cWB28ORRCzb-XPSegjY7GYyr55o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adrian (not verified)</span> on 22 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070091">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070092" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253619071"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Both my personal (very blurry) photos and the Nat. Geo. guide show juvenile Barn Swallows with pale undertail coverts. Of course, there is that annoying darker throat. On the other hand, Nat.Geo. shows dark spots on the undertail coverts of both Cliff and Cave.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070092&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vKcwd_LB8tWmv7flOg4bi7J4aX0xDt_BKPDP-VhZRYs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">psweet (not verified)</span> on 22 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070092">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2070093" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1253819830"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A little more info on our friend and his "clothes"!</p> <p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/plants-animals/2008/06/03/for-barn-swallows-feathers-make-the-man.html?s_cid=related-links:TOP">http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/plants-animals/2008/06/03/for-ba…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2070093&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CT-kDFcLxue_vUC1uSnvkwkghx6jRLtKQnGa03SoJTA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David (not verified)</span> on 24 Sep 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2070093">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2009/09/21/todays-mystery-bird-for-you-to-362%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:59:17 +0000 grrlscientist 89732 at https://scienceblogs.com Mystery Bird: Cave Swallow, Petrochelidon fulva, and Barn Swallow, Hirundo rustica https://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/01/22/todays-mystery-bird-for-you-to-134 <span>Mystery Bird: Cave Swallow, Petrochelidon fulva, and Barn Swallow, Hirundo rustica</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">tags: <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Cave+Swallow" rel="tag">Cave Swallow</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Petrochelidon+fulva" rel="tag">Petrochelidon fulva</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Barn+Swallow" rel="tag">Barn Swallow</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Hirundo+rustica" rel="tag">Hirundo rustica</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/birds" rel="tag">birds</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/mystery+bird" rel="tag">mystery bird</a>, <a target="window" href="http://technorati.com/tag/bird+ID+quiz" rel="tag">bird ID quiz</a></span></p> <div class="centeredCaption"> <p><a target="window" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/84727393@N00/3180876674/"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3464/3180876674_d757a6156e.jpg" width="500" height="400" /></a></p> <p><strike>[Mystery bird]</strike> Cave Swallow, <i>Petrochelidon fulva</i> (L) and Barn Swallow, <i>Hirundo rustica</i> (R), photographed at Smith Point, Texas. [I will identify these birds for you tomorrow]</p> <p>Image: <a target="window" href="http://www.pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/">Joseph Kennedy</a>, 24 October 2008 [<a target="window" href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3464/3180876674_a05a5bf02d_o.jpg" width="800" height="640"></a>larger view]. </p> <p>Nikon D200, Kowa 883 telescope TSN-PZ camera eyepiece 1/640s f/8.0 at 1000.0mm iso400. </p> </div> <p><span style="color: red; font-size: 14px">Please name at least one field mark that supports your identification. </span></p> <!--more--><p><a target="window" href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/bird_id_quiz/">Review all mystery birds to date</a>.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/grrlscientist" lang="" about="/author/grrlscientist" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">grrlscientist</a></span> <span>Thu, 01/22/2009 - 03:59</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/birding" hreflang="en">birding</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mystery-birds" hreflang="en">Mystery Birds</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ornithology" hreflang="en">ornithology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/photography" hreflang="en">Photography</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/barn-swallow" hreflang="en">barn swallow</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bird-id-quiz" hreflang="en">bird ID quiz</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bird-watching" hreflang="en">bird watching</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/birds" hreflang="en">birds</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cities" hreflang="en">cities</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hirundo-rustica" hreflang="en">Hirundo rustica</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/image" hreflang="en">image</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mystery-bird" hreflang="en">mystery bird</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/petrochelidon-fulva" hreflang="en">Petrochelidon fulva</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/photo" hreflang="en">Photo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/picture" hreflang="en">picture</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/birding" hreflang="en">birding</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ornithology" hreflang="en">ornithology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/photography" hreflang="en">Photography</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065249" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232621154"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Looks like a cliff swallow. Texas has cave swallows, also, but I'll go with cliff. I don't know how the photographer got two to sit still long enough to snap this photo.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065249&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Hswfmu_poQu3lLlFSQb3lbDPy1eYKfI9UlIBTsnnqHk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Russell (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065249">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065250" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232621673"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm kind of torn here. I'm going to say that they're actually two different species, with the lefthand bird being the Mexican race of the Cliff Swallow, and the righthand bird being a Barn Swallow. I realize I've increased my chances of being wrong somewhere, but I've also increased my chances of being at least somewhat right, right?</p> <p>Anyway, those are my guesses.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065250&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vBRJ1MVbl_wm4uK5T2TgQmtFgLchoM2RxJcNNruwHq0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.elanus.net/sutro/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Callender (not verified)</a> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065250">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065251" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232622463"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hmmm, tough one, because of the regional variations. I'm going to guess Cave Swallow, because the foreheads on both birds are orange. The bird on the left has a squarish tail tip, which works for either Cave or Cliff Swallows.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065251&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rcnW793WFX4N-HaTL0m_gKxPWj60x3iJ2hHXpDtXKI4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Barn Owl (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065251">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065252" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232622693"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I can't be the only one thinking "African or European" can I?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065252&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1w7-nPIza_dCooN4D11viFvTIoeANDwV5aFmriOiAD4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://network.nature.com/people/boboh/blog" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bob O&#039;H (not verified)</a> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065252">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065253" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232622809"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Bird on left = Cave Swallow, for reasons stated above.</p> <p>Bird on right = I'm confused! *cries*</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065253&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MVsXP3UwGKt7Ym_RgbaeSkahcOFm8J0OZ2R9o0IfpA8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Barn Owl (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065253">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065254" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232632042"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm going with cave...all the cliff swallow pics I could find have white on the head, not the rufous color shown.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065254&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fn3Uj50XVZW4zmIFLrWMYLM5jTXUzr-ofnmxLRW9uhM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michelle (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065254">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065255" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232637537"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I think that these two birds are both Barn Swallows. The one on the right is an adult and the one on the left is a juvenile.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065255&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fzNq7zoNnU14Xq1zbyFH4PBDLYRBD1pYJVlW4kKeapQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">charlie (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065255">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065256" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232645494"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Bird on left is a Cave Swallow due to lack of dark hood that a Cliff Swallow would have. Bird on right is a typical Barn Swallow</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065256&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eSKuV6uaHiHrtsdrmvybSy7EnA9Nvq5B2j1ZO48vIYU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Al G (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065256">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065257" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232652311"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A juvenile Barn Swallow would be duller than an adult Barn Swallow with a pale, buffy rather than rufous forehead chin and throat, not so brightly patterned as the bird on the left. A Cliff Swallow would have a pale forehead. The bird on the left is a Cave Swallow.</p> <p>The plumage coloration and the long tail on the bird on the right mark it as an adult Barn Swallow.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065257&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="U1N1pOt_AQiBqRhkn6L3-qrFyYPvW6L_F9vLEKVAS_g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Larry Gardella (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065257">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065258" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232664567"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm sure the bird on the right is a Barn Swallow, as people have said. I think the bird on the left is a dark-throated Cave Swallow. That's not because of the forehead color, since as John Callender said, the Mexican race of Cliff can have a dark forehead, but because the throat blends into the underparts and has only a small black spot. That's not a whole lot to go on, though.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065258&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="o8eZYyN0Vl1hoiI5Mfyeq5C5aEHgu5Nj-zCjCrU_Hrg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jerry Friedman (not verified)</span> on 22 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065258">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065259" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232836633"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just a question about scientific name: Why is it Hirundo rustica? masculine "o" followed by female sp. ending in "a" ? (Sorry I don't have a proper keyboard. . ) M.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065259&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uJRFCUsLGTWez2a6GHbmRAATj-i1AtqwL4LsPv1-NIc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Murray Hansen (not verified)</span> on 24 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065259">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2065260" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1233002880"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There's no requirement for genus and species names to agree in gender and they often don't - another example is Panthera leo.</p> <p>I wish I'd checked this site in time to guess these - I knew them! I mixed them up two years ago, and learned them then.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2065260&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QzmhwG9dSiw9w9sYB-sztTRJMsxLAQjOHHvmBiFi4Ks"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://thegreenbelt.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">The Ridger (not verified)</a> on 26 Jan 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2065260">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/grrlscientist/2009/01/22/todays-mystery-bird-for-you-to-134%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:59:59 +0000 grrlscientist 88284 at https://scienceblogs.com Swallows Shed New Light on Looks vs. Testosterone https://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/2008/06/11/swallows-shed-new-light-on-loo <span>Swallows Shed New Light on Looks vs. Testosterone</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A new study of barn swallows has shed fascinating light on the link between appearance and the levels of sexual hormones in their bodies. Scientists have long noted that male swallows with deeper red throats attract more females and have higher levels of testosterone. Conventional wisdom assumed that swallows born with more testosterone had deeper throats and thus attracted more females. Turns out, however, that this is only partially true. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/wp-content/blogs.dir/253/files/2012/04/i-9ebc0884303d7903cfdf48f1a7b2377a-Barn Swallow.jpg" alt="i-9ebc0884303d7903cfdf48f1a7b2377a-Barn Swallow.jpg" /><br /> Who's the private dick who's the sex machine with all the chicks?....Artificially painted barn swallow! Awwwwwww yeah. </p> <p>University of Colorado, Boulder, ecologist Rebecca Safran wanted to see what would happen if she painted deep red throats on male swallows who previously did not have them. The result was somewhat staggering: Not only did the... </p> <!--more--><p>newly painted males attract more females and make other males jealous, but their bodies also produced significantly higher levels of testosterone almost immediately. It appears that the other birds' behavior toward the newly painted males led to their testosterone levels naturally increasing. One theory is that male barn swallows are more aggressive to these dark and handsome suitors causing the testosterone levels to increase. Alternatively, the increased attention from female swallows may cause the increase. It is also possible that simply lookin' good increased the swallows' confidence.</p> <p>Kevin McGraw of Arizona State University's School of Life Sciences who also worked on the study told <a href="http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/plants-animals/2008/06/03/for-barn-swallows-feathers-make-the-man.html">U.S. News and World Report</a>, "The traditional view is that internal processes of birds determine their external features--in other words, physiology forms the feathers. But our results indicate that a perceived change in the color of an animal can affect directly its internal physiological state. A barn swallow's hormonal profile is influenced by its outward appearance."</p> <p>Have you ever been dressed to the nines and walked by a hipster with an old t-shirt and ripped jeans on and just instinctively known that you could beat his ass if you wanted to? I don't think this relates to the whole swallow thing. I just wanted to know if that's ever happened to you. It happens to me like every single day in San Francisco. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/bleimanb" lang="" about="/author/bleimanb" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bleimanb</a></span> <span>Wed, 06/11/2008 - 09:15</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/barn-swallow" hreflang="en">barn swallow</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bird" hreflang="en">bird</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2434222" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1213209173"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That is an awesome experiment!</p> <p>Is the testosterone tied to mating, or is simply *attracting* the females enough?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2434222&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NrnO-sAyCZZiLSKSjtKwiSDHkjbJjPsD9lM5SqAqpOo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Becca (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2434222">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2434223" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1213260211"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nice blog. Another feather in your cap....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2434223&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z5Y8vb2gRHILtQ8x2UWJUM9DmD0hSXj-stf9WNUYYHQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ian (not verified)</span> on 12 Jun 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2434223">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2434224" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1213269619"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That last comment made me LOL, which got me strange looks from coworkers. Thanks a lot, Benny.</p> <p>Seriously, though. Painting birds? Sounds like Zoology is a lot more fun than I previously thought.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2434224&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4UOrt_DAR10kZLPVpCEROG8rk-WaJuDHFZUlhAHHRQA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Size (not verified)</span> on 12 Jun 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2434224">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2434225" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1213284464"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How d'ya like <i>them</i> apples, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Painted_Bird">Jerzy Kosinski?</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2434225&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mGmOT5-brt61xrz8ZyhdRnL9KyW3xGDVingxOPjWjOE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">themadlolscientist (not verified)</span> on 12 Jun 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2434225">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2434226" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1213343305"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So you're saying all males are birdbrains?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2434226&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zE9qeNhugCja-DmNWbbX0EiMmFhmnYx_hY1EsDsZXdk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://leesyknits.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Liesele (not verified)</a> on 13 Jun 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/21720/feed#comment-2434226">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/zooillogix/2008/06/11/swallows-shed-new-light-on-loo%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:15:48 +0000 bleimanb 135160 at https://scienceblogs.com