Jake Crosby https://scienceblogs.com/ en Schadenfreude: At the FDA, it looks as though Donald Trump is about to sorely disappoint his antivaccine supporters https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/14/schadenfreude-at-the-fda-it-looks-as-though-donald-trump-is-about-to-betray-his-antivaccine-supporters <span>Schadenfreude: At the FDA, it looks as though Donald Trump is about to sorely disappoint his antivaccine supporters</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I’ve seen it noted that our new President-Elect seems to be selecting his cabinet officers and directors of federal bureaucracies based on how much they oppose the mission of the department they are supposed to head. For instance, to head the Department of Health and Human Services, he picked an <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/30/the-new-secretary-of-health-and-human-services-is-a-member-of-a-fringe-medical-organization-heres-what-that-means/">orthopedic surgeon who belongs to an organization utterly opposed</a> to any role of the federal government in health care and who himself looks poised to dismantle as much of the Affordable Care Act as he can. For the Department of Energy, he picked Rick Perry, a man so dumb that when he was asked during a 2012 Republican debate which three federal departments he’d like to abolish, he <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/rick-perry-oops-video_n_1085336.html">forgot the name of one of the departments</a>—the Department of Energy, which he will now head. For attorney general, Trump picked a man opposed to enforcing civil rights laws (Jeff Sessions). For Secretary of Education he picked Betsy DeVos, a woman who’s basically committed to replacing public schools with charter schools, with nowhere near the amount of accountability.</p> <p>For FDA Commissioner, as I discussed last week, he appeared <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/09/fixing-the-fda-by-appointing-a-commissioner-who-doesnt-believe-in-the-fdas-mission/">poised to pick a hyper-libertarian</a> (Jim O’Neill) who doesn’t believe that the FDA should be required to certify that a drug is effective before approving it for sale, only that it is safe, leaving proof of efficacy for after approval. In other words, he is opposed to the current mission of the FDA and wants to turn back the clock to before the 1962 Kefauver amendment that said drugs must be proved safe and effective before they can be sold. However, there was another person under consideration that I mentioned briefly in that post: Scott Gottlieb, whose stock has apparently risen since last I considered the question, according to this report in <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fda-idUSKBN141287">Reuters</a>:</p> <!--more--><blockquote> Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a partner at one of the world's largest venture capital funds and a former deputy commissioner at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, is being considered by President-elect Donald Trump to run the agency, according to sources close to the transition team. <p>Gottlieb, 44, a venture partner at New Enterprise Associates and resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank based in Washington, is well known in health policy circles and is a frequent commentator on television and in print. </p></blockquote> <p>I briefly mentioned Scott Gottlieb in <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/09/fixing-the-fda-by-appointing-a-commissioner-who-doesnt-believe-in-the-fdas-mission/">my last post</a> about Trump’s plans for the FDA. Now seems a good time to discuss him a bit more, because the possibility of his becoming the next director of the FDA amuses me to no end. Don’t get me wrong. I am also highly alarmed, almost as much as I am by the prospect of Jim O’Neill becoming the director of the FDA. My amusement is more a “laughing to keep from crying” sort of reaction. Here’s why.</p> <p>Scott Gottleib is a bona fide, honest-to-goodness pharma shill. He works for pharma and has for a long time. In fact, because it amuses me, let me quote <em>über</em>-quack, <a href="http://bit.ly/2hCYkhn">Donald Trump supporter</a>, and <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-alt-right-used-to-be-ignored-now-theyre-courting-a-president-elect/2016/11/10/746341d8-a75b-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html?utm_term=.6c7f0a564346">newly minted alt-right icon</a>, <a href="http://bit.ly/2gYjGBO">Mike Adams about Gottlieb</a> in 2008 (OK, not Adams himself, but one of his drones):</p> <blockquote><p> Scott Gottlieb, the former FDA Deputy Commissioner for medical and scientific affairs, is now actively involved in the marketing of Eli Lilly's drug raloxifene, marketed as Evista.</p> <p>Due to his Wall Street connections with the pharmaceutical industry, Gottlieb frequently had to recuse himself from discussions that were part of his FDA duties. He gained notoriety for calling the early termination of a multiple sclerosis drug study "an overreaction," even though three participants had died, and was highly critical of the groundbreaking Women's Health Initiative study, which found that hormone replacement therapy posed more risks than benefits to women's health.</p> <p>In 2005, Eli Lilly was convicted of illegally marketing osteoporosis drug Evista for off-label treatment and prevention of heart disease and cancer. According to Justice Department documents, Eli Lilly decided to market the drug off-label when early sales of the drug for osteoporosis alone proved disappointing. </p></blockquote> <p>All of this is actually true. After he left the FDA, Dr. Gottlieb went back to private practice but also worked for Eli Lilly on the side to market Evista, even after Eli Lilly had been shown to have marketed it for off-label indications. During his actual tenure at the FDA as deputy commissioner, he had so <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/12/26/the-strange-career-of-scott-gottlieb/">many financial conflicts of interest</a> with pharma companies that he had to recuse himself from resource planning for a potential bird flu epidemic because of his financial ties to Sanofi-Aventis, as well as work related to Eli Lilly, Proctor &amp; Gamble, and, yes, five—count ‘em, five!—other drug companies. And yes, he did show his pro-pharma bias in ways other than criticizing the halting of a trial in which three people died, for example:</p> <blockquote><p> And when FDA scientists rejected Pfizer’s osteoporosis drug candidate Oporia, forecast to earn $1 billion a year, underlings received accusatory emails from Gottlieb.</p> <p>His on-to-Wall-Street approach succeeded in rushing Chantix, Pfizer’s stop smoking drug, varenicline, to market but a string of 2006 suicides and the violent death of Dallas musician Carter Albrecht leave many asking if that was such a good thing.</p> <p>“The truth is, the FDA’s required trials reveal limited information,” Gottlieb wrote presciently in an oped in the Chicago Tribune in 2005. “In many cases, it is only afterdrugs are on the market for many years and given to thousands of patients that their true benefits (sic.) are revealed.” </p></blockquote> <p>Which is true but irrelevant and, above all, not an excuse to use <em>less</em> rigorous trials as the basis to approve drugs (or, if you’re Jim O’Neill, to give up demonstrating efficacy altogether before approving drugs) If anything, it is a good reason for much stricter post-marketing regulations. One wonders if Dr. Gottlieb would support much stronger regulations of this type, one does. Somehow I doubt it. After all, as <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fda-idUSKBN141287">Reuters reports</a>, Gottlieb’s ties to the pharmaceutical industry still run deep, with him sitting on the boards of sits on the boards of multiple companies and advising others, including the British pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline Plc.</p> <p>Here’s the thing. As bad as I find the potential pick of Dr. Gottlieb to run the FDA (albeit not as bad as Jim O’Neill would be), there is one good thing about it, and that’s the schadenfreude I’m feeling with respect to antivaccine activists and quacks. Why schadenfreude? Easy. From early on, antivaccine loons recognized Donald Trump as one of their own because he is. He has a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/09/15/the-long-sordid-antivaccine-history-of-donald-trump/">long, sordid history</a> of antivaccine nonsense <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/04/03/donald-trump-versus-vaccination/">about “monster shots” causing autism</a> and buying into <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/06/donald-trump-is-not-a-slow-vaxer-he-is-an-antivaxer/">the “too many too soon” trope</a>. It was even revealed just before the election by an antivaccine blogger who couldn’t keep her mouth shut, metaphorically speaking, that Donald Trump had <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/02/donald-trump-and-disgraced-antivaccine-scientist-andrew-wakefield-best-buds-forever/">met with antivaccine “hero” Andrew Wakefield</a> in August in Florida. As a result, antivaccine activists had high hopes for a Trump presidency, with that same blogger who couldn’t keep her mouth shut before the election even going so far as to post an open letter containing a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/11/antivaxers-want-trump-to-satisfy-their-demands/">wish list of what antivaccinationists would like to see</a> from Trump after he becomes President. Although, the FDA wasn’t mentioned, I can’t help but wonder what antivaccine contingent would think of Scott Gottlieb as the FDA Commissioner.</p> <p>As I mentioned before, Mike Adams is an antivaccine loon of the highest order, as well as a Donald Trump supporter who anticipates that he will “<a href="http://bit.ly/2hthRx6">dismantle dangerous vaccine mandates that harm children across America</a>.” Another rather “deplorable” antivaccine blogger and activist whose name I normally no longer mention but for today will make an exeption about (Jake Crosby) is a <a href="http://bit.ly/2eQzlRB">rabid Donald</a> <a href="http://bit.ly/2hLHUPK">Trump supporter</a> who’s even aimed Tweets at me featuring Pepe, the cartoon frog whose image has been co-opted by the alt-right (or, as I should have called the movement the first time I mentioned it earlier, white supremacists and neo-Nazis).Like most antivaccinationists, they rant about “pharma shills” running the FDA and the CDC. We don’t know yet whom Trump will appoint to be the director of the CDC, but one leading candidate to run the FDA is a real pharma shill (unlike the <a href="http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/08/pharma-shill-gambit.html">fake accusations of being a “pharma shill” favored by quackery lovers</a>). More hilariously, this particular pharma shill, as deeply embedded as he is in the world of pharmaceutical companies, is probably not as bad a choice as the other candidate, Jim O’Neill, who would likely defang the FDA even more than Gottlieb would be expected to. On the other hand, it wouldn’t surprise me if someone like Adams actually likes O’Neill, given how much anti-aging woo he’s into. What he wouldn’t like is that O’Neill would probably make it much easier to approve new vaccines.</p> <p>But, then, so would Scott Gottlieb. Remember the H1N1 “swine flu” scare back during the 2009-2010 influenza season? Remember how it freaked out antivaccinationists, who envisioned “forced vaccination” and feared all manner of new and evil flu vaccines? Take a look at <a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704335904574497324151841690">what Gottlieb was writing back then</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Though the swine flu is widespread in 46 states many Americans are still waiting to get their vaccines. The Obama administration blames the shortage on manufacturing delays at the five firms making these products. But production issues only explain part of the shortfall. Also to blame are a series of policy decisions that reflect our extreme caution when it comes to these products.</p> <p>From a regulatory standpoint, vaccines are unique in many ways. Since we distribute them widely to otherwise healthy people, they deserve careful oversight. But right now we are shunning new, superior vaccine science by being overly cautious. </p></blockquote> <p><a href="https://www.aei.org/publication/responding-to-the-h1n1-pandemic-with-vaccines-vulnerabilities-and-lessons-learned/">Elsewhere, he wrote</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Too many of the policy choices we were confronted with in this crisis forced us to sacrifice speed and reliability of vaccine production to assuage concerns about vaccine safety. We also did not have adequate domestic vaccine capacities to serve our own population. Vaccine supplies are increasing, but we still do not have the quantities we expected, and we need them now.[5] Among other things, we chose to forgo the use of vaccine additives that could have boosted effectiveness and might have helped us stretch our limited supply of vaccine raw material over more shots. </p></blockquote> <p>Of course, Gottlieb’s views on vaccine policy, while a bit more aggressive than my own, are not entirely unreasonable. I agree that our vaccine development and manufacturing infrastructure could use some serious modernization and that it wold be good to have new adjuvants. But one wonders what people like Mike Adams and Jake Crosby think. After all, Gottlieb thought the FDA was too cautious in testing, manufacturing, and deploying new vaccines. He very much likes adjuvants, including the dreaded aluminum, and wants to speed the development of new adjuvants. All of these positions are anathema to the antivaccine movement.</p> <p><a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704335904574497324151841690">So is this</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> The second cautious decision was to require that the H1N1 vaccine be a single shot. The government demanded single-dose syringes because they contain smaller amounts of thimerosal than multi-dose vials. This mercury-containing vaccine preservative continues to stir concern it can trigger childhood autism, even though this has been firmly disproven. </p></blockquote> <p>Ouch. Donald Trump is considering someone who thinks that thimerosal should have been used in order to be able to manufacture multi-dose vials. There’s a lot more, though. I found lots of pro-vaccine articles either by Gottlieb or in which he is quoted. As much as I dislike his ties to pharma and his anti-regulatory tendencies, including with respect to vaccines, and don’t want him to be FDA Commissioner, he definitely comes down on the right side of science with respect to antivaccine pseudoscience and vaccine safety.</p> <p>I saved the best for last, though. Let’s just say that I want to twist the knife a bit, and this article’s title alone should be enough to do that, <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/04/case-closed-on-vaccine-autism-debate-doctor.html">Case closed on vaccine-autism debate: Doctor</a>. The doctor? Dr. Gottlieb:</p> <p>Here’s the interview:</p> <iframe src="http://player.cnbc.com/p/gZWlPC/cnbc_global?playertype=synd&amp;byGuid=3000351903&amp;size=530_298" width="530" height="298" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" bgcolor="#131313"></iframe><p> And here’s an excerpt:</p> <blockquote><p> "I think for too long a lot of people's public statements allowed these myths to propagate because they've said things like, 'Well, we don't think there's any correlation, but we need more research.' We don't need more research. At some point, enough is enough," the resident fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute said in a "Squawk Box" interview. </p></blockquote> <p>There you have it: Unequivocal rejection of the link between the MMR vaccine and autism. He even said that we have “unequivocally debunked” the link and pointed out how serious an illness the measles is. He even spoke out against nonmedical exemptions to school vaccine mandates. If I didn't know about all of Dr. Gottlieb's conflicts of interest and other objectionable positions, based on this video I'd probably like the guy.</p> <p>Obviously, though, I don’t like either of the two candidates under consideration by the Trump transition team to become FDA Commissioner. Basically, you have to pick your poison: Do you want the libertarian who doesn’t think that the FDA should have to require the demonstration of efficacy before approving drugs or the bona-fide, honest-to-goodness pharma shill, someone who’s pharma shill to a level that most pharma shills only dream of? It’s basically <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sophie%27s+choice&amp;defid=4297452">Sophie’s choice</a>.</p> <p>In fact, it’s such a horrible choice that the only grim satisfaction I can derive from this whole sorry spectacle is the prospect of the delicious schadenfreude I’ll feel watching how Mike Adams, Jake Crosby, and all the other antivaccinationists who supported Donald Trump react if Trump does pick Dr. Gottlieb to head the FDA. It’ll be as tasty as <a href="https://app.bitly.com/default/bitlinks/2hrhkim">watching Adams twist himself into pretzels</a> and urging a “wait and see attitude” over Trump’s pick of Tom Price to head HHS, given Price’s previous opposition to GMO labeling.</p> <p>Given how Adams himself ranted about Gottlieb’s pharma ties eight years ago, I hope for an an even more entertaining reaction if Gottlieb is chosen. I'll probably be able to enjoy that reaction until Trump appoints Andrew Wakefield to head the CDC and causes me to spiral back into depression.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a></span> <span>Tue, 12/13/2016 - 21:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine-nonsense" hreflang="en">Antivaccine nonsense</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/autism" hreflang="en">autism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/popular-culture" hreflang="en">Popular Culture</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pseudoscience" hreflang="en">Pseudoscience</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quackery-0" hreflang="en">Quackery</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/skepticismcritical-thinking" hreflang="en">Skepticism/Critical Thinking</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/andrew-wakefield" hreflang="en">andrew wakefield</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine" hreflang="en">antivaccine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/donald-trump" hreflang="en">Donald Trump</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fda" hreflang="en">FDA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jake-crosby" hreflang="en">Jake Crosby</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jim-oneill" hreflang="en">Jim O&#039;Neill</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/schadenfreude" hreflang="en">schadenfreude</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/scott-gottlieb" hreflang="en">Scott Gottlieb</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vaccines" hreflang="en">vaccines</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348595" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481691314"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Delicious irony.....though still extremely horrifying that we are having these types of conversations right now.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348595&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2jF0XVD4XGrIkCUjfMVtUF6pYihHz-qwPDpDZQyoKnA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 13 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348595">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348596" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481695828"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This may sound weird from an honest to goodness field level pharma shill, but I believe the reduction of FDA oversight as far as efficacy is not good for pharma companies. It takes a lot of money and effort to launch and promote a product. It takes years to break even especially on first in class products. Physicians aren't stupid. If product lacks efficacy, they know pretty quickly. They are also creatures of habit and usually are required to follow treatment guidelines by their ACOs and insurance payers. When asked to change their algorithms, most demand convincing data to show why they should change their habits. Even when you have a product with significant advantages over present standard of care, it is like hand to hand combat to get it reimbursed through government or private insurance. P&amp;T committees at hospitals, academic institutions, and insurance companies hold this power. Trust me when I tell you that the vast majority of these groups are no toadies for pharma companies. If a product is not beneficial in some way over present standard of care, even the slickest marketed product will never break even. The biggest problem with people like both of these guys is that they do think that physicians are stupid because of their lack of recent experience dealing with them on a ground level and will use anything as long you put an attractive rep in the field which has been overwhelmingly and repeatedly been proven wrong in the long run.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348596&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5C6VjPM56QHYNzeDV0IrFD4ZaZQnoqPGl3YN0sRSPdI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joewv (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348596">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348597" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481696701"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The bad news about Donald Trump is that you can't believe a thing he says.</p> <p>The good news about Donald Trump is that you can't believe a thing he says.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348597&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hY9JFcDsYeQc9mVsrCnoLIhtAU4z6KnedPhv-wMmXhQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TBruce (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348597">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348598" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481698103"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@TBruce: Exactly. It amazes me that some people are expecting Trump to keep his campaign promises. Aside from making a lot of cringeworthy statements, it's very hard to know what he'll actually do after the inauguration.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348598&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qisvB2hVAiWUpMlZx3-GFxBqgd2eIutBM_uvgI7W4tU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Heidi_storage (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348598">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348599" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481700232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Trump will end up destroying years of progressive success in healthcare, civil rights and first amendment protections. While pissing off Mike Adams and Jakey are good, they pale in comparison to the kind of country the next president and all of our kids will inherit.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348599&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2aUEs64vBG81uxLOubn0-tSpmXCQTn-_3QvgiCsUM1M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mikema50 (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348599">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348600" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481701341"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So much for "draining the swamp". Frump is filling a cesspool.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348600&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3fecU9tQ2Kf_OxsgguAuIjGr197yCMYYFXVE-j9HKp0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Science Mom (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348600">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348601" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481702992"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Trumps cabinet choices are definitely a mixed bag. The individuals have some good views and some bat-shit insane views. The proposed FDA commissioners pro-science pro-evidence based mind-set combined with being a shill. The proposed secretary of State being a Russian ass-kisser, and a solid proponent of gay rights. Trump doing the political thing of making a hockey-sock of promises to get elected, but which ones will he actually follow through on?<br /> I'm sort of hoping that people will start realizing that life is shades of grey and not black and white. I have no doubt that there will be some dumb-ass decisions made and some things will get f*cked up. I also think that some decisions will lead to improvements for most. I realize that I could be wrong, and his candidates EPA questionnaire fills me with dread, but I still have faith in the immobility of the bureaucracy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348601&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EgRIj9xhCiTuooHPNczyfDJVfBcCLn0INJJe4cLoFqc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348601">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1348602" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481707551"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The proposed FDA commissioners pro-science pro-evidence based mind-set combined with being a shill.</p></blockquote> <p>More importantly, a pharma shill who believes that the FDA approval process for drugs should be a lot easier and faster and require less evidence.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348602&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DasYgY-l4yxJjQvKspcDlBsRxWD_Vymqq4NYqT8Um_Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348602">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1348601#comment-1348601" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Pseudonym (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348603" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481717910"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>All the people showing up on TV who actually know Trump say he has no real principles other than "winning" in the "deal". The vocabulary word here is "transactional". What this means, I think, is The Donald isn't making policy, but acting as a front man for a small band of backers on his 'team' who do have policy agendas. The pundits are also reporting there are some key conflicts between the agendas of his key advisors. Most importantly, there's the Mercer/Breitbart camp led by Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway and the more 'traditional conservative' camp led by Reince Priebus.</p> <p>On the whole though, Team Trump's appointments are payoffs for people who gave the Donald a LOT of money. Within that frame, I'd guess that Gottlieb is favored by Priebus, as a payoff to the pharmas, and O'Neill is favored by the loopier Breitbart camp, as a payoff to Peter Thiel. That Gottlieb's name is being floated now could indicate an actual influence swing for this appointment or an attempt to stage one, as other GOP interest groups have spun up buzz for their favored candidates for certain positions in an attempt to appeal to Team Trump, which turned out not to be listening.</p> <p>I'd have to guess O'Neill is still the front runner, because they probably have to give Thiel <i>something</i>. Of course, it's also possible O'Neill is too 'out there' for some other moneybag Team Trump needs. We'll see...</p> <p>Anyway, it's all about money, and that means nobody in Trump's FDA is going to bother with standard childhood vaccines one way or another. The new vaccines Gottlieb would grease would be proprietary ones directed at exclusive markets that could be sold at high margins. </p> <p>If Gottlieb got the nod, I still wouldn't expect the Trump-feds to do anything to support uptake of childhood VPD immunization – too Big Guvment. And I'd worry just a little about a small anti-vax resurgence, just because the whole 'pharma shill' CT nonsense would seem a bit more credible with a real undeniable pharma shill heading the FDA.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348603&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZTz01sjLvU613WrZ4ZUtbVbby9SoberzHVr7Vb0Gv-4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348603">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348604" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481719355"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It looks like the unifying theme for candidates for regulatory agencies are people willing to dismantle or weaken the administrative state.</p> <p>I guess if Mr. Trump appoints provaccine candidates willing to do that it's marginally less bad than appointing anti vaccine candidates willing to do that.</p> <p>Still, very worrying. Reagan tried, but he had a democratic congress limiting his ability to do so. Not true here.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348604&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JExrLjwUuwe33xamXDAPe74O3iV3soFb24kqITfeFsE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348604">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348605" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481720465"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>And I’d worry just a little about a small anti-vax resurgence, just because the whole ‘pharma shill’ CT nonsense would seem a bit more credible with a real undeniable pharma shill heading the FDA.</p></blockquote> <p>That's a good point. Add to that the willingness of this appointee to loosen drug approval standards, congressional collusion and you have a perfect storm of anti-vaxx fodder.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348605&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="00xOQ1XGKGC-5zfNuJKm7S7JHwbQH4R2hV32tYcJV4c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Science Mom (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348605">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348606" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481721370"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"a man so dumb that when he was asked during a 2012 Republican debate which three federal departments he’d like to abolish, he forgot the name of one of the departments"</p> <p>This is untrue.</p> <p>(Gratuitous long pause to make you think I'm about to defend Perry.)</p> <p>It's actually worse. He was asked a completely different question, and pivoted, as one does in debates, to something entirely different that he preferred to talk about instead. That made it all the more ridiculous - that it was an entirely unforced error.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348606&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="diGE31UI4VPEAmF7PIteG0vrVgWwnXw-7QIlldVi0eA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Yerushalmi (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348606">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348607" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481723220"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sometimes I wonder if we are now living in an alternate universe thought up by Kurt Vonnegut or Ursula LeGuin who later rejected the project because he/ she thought it would be too depressing for a sci-fi novel.</p> <p>BUT somehow it just happened in reality.</p> <p>At any rate, I now laugh at Mikey and Jake and other supporters who may soon learn that you don't believe con artists who want something from you.<br /> But I laugh at them all of the time anyway.</p> <p>At any rate, Mike is now proclaiming himself a NATIVE AMERICAN. His skin is actually red** he tells us ( Natural News) and he's a descendant of Pocahontas.<br /> and is offering free water testing services to his native brothers and sisters. </p> <p>Like the other idiot, Null, he finds ways to capitalise on any story in the news that lets him portray himself as ( cough) a humanitarian. </p> <p>To bring back an old saying I've appropriated:</p> <p>" Oh what a tangled web we weave" etc, </p> <p>** no, Mike, It's only your neck.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348607&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z3NubYBVAjTokf6yG3AsJwxi35RYpkBzKP4CpYPWsmA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348607">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348608" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481724918"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The vocabulary word here is “transactional”. What this means, I think, is The Donald isn’t making policy, but acting as a front man for a small band of backers on his ‘team’ who do have policy agendas.</p></blockquote> <p>Of course, an important* paper in the field of transactional analysis (which, I think, has pretty much died out) was "<a href="http://psychrights.org/articles/rosenham.htm">On Being Sane in Insane Places</a>."</p> <p>* I wanted to say "seminal," but my copy of <i>Pragmatics of Human Communication</i> is in storage at the moment.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348608&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RBCOG89BeIVDlkj36t1tKHtcnfyfKTRBYtVRrXtMW7E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348608">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348609" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481733479"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"At any rate, Mike is now proclaiming himself a NATIVE AMERICAN."</p> <p>"Like those Indians, I'm an Indian too<br /> A woo-oo-oo<br /> A woo-oo-oo"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348609&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PZngftipxuPyNb7RJ3iqxPW4KvVl2wsvFUk__h8-kAg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348609">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348610" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481735328"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Joewv @2: Yes! Yes all of this, and thank you!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348610&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J3S5TLy1rES7duMF0uJ3B9Fy5YYdL7klMAO49qM7Viw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 14 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348610">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348611" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481783740"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Orac : So his science and evidence based credentials only apply to vaccines and not to drugs in general? That would seem to me to be a very inconsistent mind-set, but I guess it syncs with his shilling. As they say, you can't prove anything to someone with a financial reason not to believe.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348611&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b_DnKAZIpHIHYzDXoBq2kTI1A4wHTmjUE1IJP5DWVhk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348611">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348612" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481795575"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The highly active anti-science , anti-vaccine activist , AIDS denialist etc pp the German Hans Tolzin plans his next Anti-vaccine Symposium in Sept 2017.<br /> And who ist one of the speakers A Wakefield- the title of his presentation will be " Dr. med. Andrew Wakefield<br /> Acht Monate Trump: Was hat sich an der Impfpolitik der USA bisher verändert?" Translation "Eight Month Trump: What has changed in vaccine policy until now in the USA?"</p> <p><a href="http://www.impf-report.de/symposium2017.html">http://www.impf-report.de/symposium2017.html</a></p> <p>Wakefield also attended the Symposium this year speaking about MMR and autism.</p> <p>I hope the anti-vaccine movement will be heavily disapointed in Sept 2017. LOL</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348612&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kigiGwchzIbfVl8epa3MG2357bXru-pkZdUz4iuNwnE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wolfgang (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348612">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348613" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481807171"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Dangerous Bacon:</p> <p>Political analyst, Mike reveals how the Russian political hacking story is merely faked in order to scare electors away from DJT<br /> ( today, Natural News).</p> <p>After all, he is an expert computer scientist.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348613&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2bmj9GiP-u6r3iiUPKW2CveN5qCWq6_Yd8xOUBd9uvA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348613">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348614" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481808547"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@#13 Denise Walter: Mike Adams is descended from Pocahontas? Didn't she marry an Englishman and die in England? From what I've found is she had five children, all of whom lived and died in England.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348614&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gVHqHgpzmmCLopIWgn8fjhZdi_jx58okBF-6yV87r14"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">RobRN (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348614">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348615" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481810452"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank You RobRN for writing what I was thinking.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348615&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="d-cQa2rePOsB-MqbP9qlFRtuPgOwaorY9KnB1GiUoN8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348615">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348616" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481815014"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ RobRN</p> <p>I was thinking Mike's claim was closer to an episode of The Jeffersons, where an associate tells George Jefferson that they are going to claim he is descended from Thomas Jefferson and one of his slaves to try to win him a city election. </p> <p>"I swear, I'm really Pocahantadams!"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348616&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1iUJ1hVD-NJkSHlVnyx5jfm9ZQusbNOnf1RB_0dkttw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zach (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348616">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348617" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481822465"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Why is that fine-looking Barbie squaw holding a bunch of 'member berries?</p> <p><a href="http://princess.disney.co.uk/pocahontas">http://princess.disney.co.uk/pocahontas</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W8VSpacMtw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W8VSpacMtw</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348617&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ln_p4RdyX-5QFVwNg1xA5Ana48hUwMIjLSa2gKXL3Dk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gilbert (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348617">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348618" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482021563"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Trump's most justifiable appointment is the one you happen to know most about?</p> <p>Hmmmm...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348618&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="w9O5wjGnDmxmR7cay07fjMA8k_X5OzzAptbkn8LFD3c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph Hertzlinger (not verified)</span> on 17 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348618">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348619" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482032633"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>At any rate, Mike is now proclaiming himself a NATIVE AMERICAN. His skin is actually red** he tells us ( Natural News) and he’s a descendant of Pocahontas.</i></p> <p>Imagine how Mikey must despise his readership, knowing that whatever egregious bullsh1t he spouts, they will swallow it and lick their lips and come back for more.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348619&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Jjz1QHR52ojPDQbEvJAx7bN8eg79o-8bKHpbytpBVZk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 17 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348619">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348620" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483873301"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It just gets worse and worse with Trump.<br /><a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_24534_5-huge-and-under-reported-problems-with-trumps-cabinet.html">http://www.cracked.com/article_24534_5-huge-and-under-reported-problems…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348620&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fHW1E3TvIOqBJh8eHtSGo1JkrvDzADF1bBvJ9_2DpP8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348620">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348621" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489230218"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How dare you call people that are against vaccines loons?? Bury your kid from them and come back and we'll have a talk you idiot.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348621&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4Cw85YbPG6TgBoo05pkSs0KszRO1KRsShvqpQg2hMAc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kimberly (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348621">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348622" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489238457"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Um, what?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348622&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qMe5odEoDlOFJt8d_kUNTTFyhHghdBTAkaC37PFPcN4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348622">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348623" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489238552"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>CNN is reporting that Gottlieb is going to be the pick.</p> <p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/politics/scott-gottlieb-donald-trump-fda/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/politics/scott-gottlieb-donald-trump-fda/…</a></p> <blockquote><p> President Donald Trump plans to nominate Scott Gottlieb, a conservative physician with deep ties to the pharmaceutical industry, as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, a White House official said Friday. </p></blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348623&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xMspZmVQWQkz7YcjNIElot-LyAV65hsbSJ8gGVeZf_E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Johnny (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348623">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348624" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489238917"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> How dare you call people that are against vaccines loons?? </p></blockquote> <p>Because Mike Adams is indeed a loon, the number one loon, in fact, it says so on the internet.</p> <p><a href="http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/05/1-mike-adams.html">http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/05/1-mike-adams.html</a></p> <blockquote><p> Bury your kid from them... </p></blockquote> <p>Sorry, I can't do that. The vaccine didn't exist back in the day, and mumps fried my nuts.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348624&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dNQl42XxbkLAPh9dDxNWnSlssQy7xCT8bmM_uYDBQTY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Johnny (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348624">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348625" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489239118"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I saw that this AM. So, it looks like we'll be dealing with the lesser of three evils....the anti-vaxers aren't going to be very happy with that pick.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348625&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jDjVfJ_Z1q0HMjrsBbGNfgSQrpkycB4aeNHNqWoMvy4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348625">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348626" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489242250"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Bury your kid from them and come back and we’ll have a talk you idiot.</p></blockquote> <p>From antivaccine loons? You're doing this wrong.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348626&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="abnIyFGe0aQDuDDYcRsxOzYeOl_MsG1jKncz59HfqcM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 11 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348626">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348627" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489363567"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I quit reading right about when you started cracking on the people who know vaccines are dangerous and have seen first-hand damage. You must not have ever experienced it so count yourself fortunate. What's amusing, but utterly sad, is that you crack on the FDA and CDC and you KNOW there is corruption in ALL big pharma; however, you continue to grasp onto the antiquated notion that vaccines are awesome and safe and effective. There are hundreds of peer-reviewed vaccine studies and even more on their ingredients, yet you take your "science" spoon-fed by the media who are ass-owned by the industry. Everyone knows (well, informed people do) that ALL media and news is controlled by advertisers, and ALL our legislators are slathered in donations and gifts, and in BOTH cases they are pharmaceutical companies. They have most of you convinced that vaccines are NECESSARY and life-saving when really, they simply kill and permanently injure, even subtly. How many prescriptions have your children had in their lives? Here's an eye opener: My four-year-old has not had a single shut, ever. Not even the toxic Vitamin K shot (see black box warning). She had also never had a single prescription not been sick enough to see a doctor. THIS is what immunity looks like. All you people are terrified of unvaxxed babies and kids and hollering HERD IMMUNITY when it is a non-existent ideal. How many of you adults have had ALL sixteen vaccines babies get within the past 5-10 years? Pediatricians won't see unvaxxed infants but germ-infested unvaxxed adults walk in and out all. day. long. It's ridiculous notion that people like you buy into, kissing the ass of the VACCINE MAKERS (Pharmaceutical Companies) who set the schedules with the help of the publicly-traded CDC which incidentally OWNS VACCINE PATENTS. Just. WAKE UP. If you know they are this corrupt, why wouldn't they be corrupt in the vaccine sector? Also, let our be noted that the new FDA head has already cut the CDC funding by 10% and cut the vaccine program as well...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348627&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ybb8N1ul7XxKu_SNl-SjWVDLQTpCGuQlses0BuMP1l8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Fierce Truth (not verified)</span> on 12 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348627">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348628" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489364592"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Not much dissent in your comments. Lol</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348628&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HmHtgqKcPESKKWlXgR_gkxwYClr-5gQjlKFmreLlnRc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Fierce Truth (not verified)</span> on 12 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348628">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348629" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489371705"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>FDA is nothing more than Globalist , who can forget all the drugs they approved that killed people , caused permanent disabilities, caused many serious illnesses....etc<br /> FDA has ZERO credibility<br /> Every drug approved by them has numerous side effects and dangers , many are more dangerous than the disease / symptom they are meant to treat . How many more kids and people have die at the incompetence of FDA ?<br /> FDA is equivalent to a Big Pharma Mafia ...nothing less</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348629&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vVhkracDs8lCagYu7BjTYZanwfi86m5Uhb3eYAY3vdw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Karen (not verified)</span> on 12 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348629">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348630" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489387719"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Fierce Truth:</p> <blockquote><p>There are hundreds of peer-reviewed vaccine studies and even more on their ingredients</p></blockquote> <p>And they say that vaccines are safe and effective.</p> <blockquote><p>Everyone knows...</p></blockquote> <p>Centuries ago, "everyone knew" the Sun went around the Earth and that witches could kill you from afar. Argument by assertion doesn't work here.</p> <blockquote><p>All you people are terrified of unvaxxed babies and kids and hollering HERD IMMUNITY when it is a non-existent ideal</p></blockquote> <p>Funny thing is, when certain levels of immunity are reached, the diseases stop spreading and even die out. When was the last recorded case of smallpox? In how many countries is polio endemic?</p> <blockquote><p>[T]he publicly-traded CDC which incidentally OWNS VACCINE PATENTS</p></blockquote> <p>Citation needed that the CDC is publicly traded (if you even know what that means), and list a few of the vaccine patents the CDC holds.<br /> There was an old rule that any country with the word 'Democratic' in its name wasn't. We need a similar rule for internet commentators who have the word 'Truth' in their handles.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348630&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9xOSYrvxXxDmx3owCTMEwCxwdtTvvTJkpokWYqrjn-c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 13 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348630">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348631" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489389312"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fierce Truth seems to have procured her beliefs from the same Dunning-Kruger filled bucket as Tamara Lovett procured hers. Tamara's son Ryan wasn't, in her arrogant and ignorant opinion, sick enough to see a doctor. He had never seen a doctor. The reality was that he was so sick he died at the age of seven from an infection that could have been successfully treated with a very common antibiotic. Tamara has been convicted of failure to provide the necessaries of life and criminal negligence causing death.</p> <p>Crap like Fierce Truth spews contributes to the death of children. It reinforces stupid ignorant dangerous beliefs.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348631&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="onPijyl0cv2OZs6KeotTJvLDMnespElPhY7sGUMFVvU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">doug (not verified)</span> on 13 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348631">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1348632" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489389688"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Fierce Truth #36</p> <blockquote><p>Not much dissent in your comments. Lol</p></blockquote> <p> If you want, there should be enough dissent here to fulfill your dissent needs : <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/02/23/google-delists-mike-adams-his-hilarious-tantrum-about-the-conspiracy-behind-it-is-epic-as-is-my-schadenfreude/">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/02/23/google-delists-mike-adams-…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1348632&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VH9KMpktbQnT4_yVab_NUbQ76SU4_nM0ooyubRb2E5A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">LouV (not verified)</span> on 13 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1348632">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/insolence/2016/12/14/schadenfreude-at-the-fda-it-looks-as-though-donald-trump-is-about-to-betray-his-antivaccine-supporters%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:00:59 +0000 oracknows 22450 at https://scienceblogs.com REVEALED: Disgraced antivax "scientist" Andrew Wakefield met with Donald Trump in August to promote his "CDC whistleblower" conspiracy movie https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/02/donald-trump-and-disgraced-antivaccine-scientist-andrew-wakefield-best-buds-forever <span>REVEALED: Disgraced antivax &quot;scientist&quot; Andrew Wakefield met with Donald Trump in August to promote his &quot;CDC whistleblower&quot; conspiracy movie</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As I write this, the 2016 Election is lurching painfully to its conclusion, with about a week to go. In my entire adult life, dating back to when I first reached the age where I started paying attention to politics in the late 1970s, I cannot remember a more bizarre or painful election, nor can I remember an election in which one possible outcome actually terrifies me. I’m referring to the possibility of Donald Trump becoming our next President. I’ve made no secret of my contempt for his xenophobia, his blatant sexism and misogyny, his change from using racist dog whistles to racist bullhorns, his utter lack of qualifications, his temperament that is totally unfit to be President, and his generally vile personality.</p> <p>I haven’t really written much about the political reasons that I oppose Trump, but I have written quite a bit about one medical and scientific reason. With one week to go before this election chugs painfully to its freak show conclusion, I was reminded of this just yesterday and figured, what the heck? I really should take one last opportunity to write about this in light of a post that I saw last night, which led me to some Facebook postings by antivaccinationists about Trump.</p> <p>If there’s one thing you might not realize, it’s that antivaccinationists (at least many of them) love Donald Trump. <em>Love</em> him. For example, our good buddy and antivaccine conspiracy theorist, Jake Crosby, whom I like to refer to as Young Master Crosby (or, if I’m on Twitter, The Gnat), has been posting <a href="http://bit.ly/2e0pahS" rel="”nofollow”">Hillary for Prison graphics</a>, <a href="http://bit.ly/2exXSfb" rel="”nofollow”">urging people to donate to the Trump campaign</a>, and generally worshiping the ground Donald Trump walks on. Elsewhere, a man every bit as deranged as The Gnat, Mike Adams, has been delivering a steady stream of pro-Trump propaganda, along with his other pseudoscience, quackery, and lies, for several months now. More recently, the Grand Poobah of the Antivaccine Movement himself, the man who almost singlehandedly brought measles back to the UK by using a crappy fraudulent case report to frighten parents with the lie that the MMR vaccine causes autism, Andrew Wakefield, has stated that <a href="https://www.facebook.com/VaxXed/videos/742697672539941/">this is a “one issue” election</a>:</p> <!--more--><iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FVaxXed%2Fvideos%2F742697672539941%2F&amp;show_text=1&amp;width=560" width="560" height="419" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true"></iframe><p> To be honest, I have a hard time believing that Andrew Wakefield is so stupid that he’d be repeating the utterly risible claim that by 2032 one out of two children will have autism and that the pharmaceutical industry and government somehow want this? Does Wakefield have any self-awareness? Does he have a clue just how stupid that sounds? He probably does, but it’s all about the con, and the antivaccine activists he’s addressing actually believe such flagrant nonsense. In any case, Wakefield strongly endorsed Donald Trump because Trump believes that vaccines cause autism. In fact, he claims to have met with Donald Trump and that Trump told him he’s on Wakefield’s (and, by extension, the antivaccinationists’) side. He then lays down an even bigger whopper, claiming that, if Hillary Clinton is elected President, within two years there will be mandatory vaccination nationwide. Clearly, either Wakefield doesn’t know how our federalist system operates and that it is the states, not the federal government, that determine school vaccination requirements, or he doesn’t care. I suspect the latter. Again, Wakefield is not stupid. He is a liar. But who knows? To be able to make such ridiculously over-the-top claims, he must be, in my opinion, either stupid or lying. Take your pick.</p> <p>Either way, that Andrew Wakefield supports Donald Trump (even though, as a British citizen, he can't vote in our election) is not surprising. Donald Trump has been spouting antivaccine tropes, pseudoscience, and nonsense for a long time now. What was far more disturbing to me is that in the video Wakefield claimed to have met with Trump a couple of days before to discuss vaccines and autism. That's right. If Wakefield is to be believed, the foremost antivaccine conspiracy theorist in the world, who made what is currently the most paranoid conspiracy theory "documentary" right now, met with a major party candidate for President, who told him he shares his views. That frightens me, and it should frighten you, too.</p> <p>To give you a little more background, I’ve documented Donald Trump’s antivaccine views for a long time now. The first time I took notice of Trump spouting off about vaccines causing autism was in 2007, when he was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/29/latest-celebrity-vaccine-moron-donald-tr/">quoted in an interview</a> saying:</p> <blockquote><p> “When I was growing up, autism wasn’t really a factor,” Trump said. “And now all of a sudden, it’s an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We’ve giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children.” </p></blockquote> <p>And:</p> <blockquote><p> “When a little baby that weighs 20 pounds and 30 pounds gets pumped with 10 and 20 shots at one time, with one injection that’s a giant injection, I personally think that has something to do with it. Now there’s a group that agrees with that and there’s a group that doesn’t agree with that.” </p></blockquote> <p>He was also quoted in 2012 <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/04/03/donald-trump-versus-vaccination/">blaming a “monster shot” causing autism</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> They go in and they get this monster shot. I mean, have you ever seen the size of it? It’s like they’re pumping in–you know, it’s terrible, the amount. And they pump this in to this little body, and then all of a sudden the child is different a month later, and I strongly believe that’s it. They should have vaccinations, but do them separately and over an extended period of time, not all at one time. </p></blockquote> <p>Then, of course, he’s been seen on Twitter many times posting pure antivaccine pseudoscience, as I <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/09/15/the-long-sordid-antivaccine-history-of-donald-trump/">documented last year</a>:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Massive combined inoculations to small children is the cause for big increase in autism....</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/238717783007977473">August 23, 2012</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p>  </p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">If I were President I would push for proper vaccinations but would not allow one time massive shots that a small child cannot take - AUTISM.</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449331076528615424">March 27, 2014</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p>  </p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552">March 28, 2014</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p>  </p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">No more massive injections. Tiny children are not horses—one vaccine at a time, over time.</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158396051927041">September 3, 2014</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p>  </p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children &amp; their future.</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158574670573568">September 3, 2014</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p>  </p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">I'm not against vaccinations for your children, I'm against them in 1 massive dose.Spread them out over a period of time &amp; autism will drop!</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507546307620528129">September 4, 2014</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p>  </p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">So many people who have children with autism have thanked me—amazing response. They know far better than fudged up reports!</p> <p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507546486553706497">September 4, 2014</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> </p> <p>No wonder antivaccine loons love Donald Trump. It’s not my intention to rehash all the times that Donald Trump has spewed antivaccine idiocy hither, thither, and yon. There are <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/05/03/the-republican-party-is-on-the-verge-of-nominating-an-antivaccine-loon-named-donald-trump/">simply too many examples</a> over too long a period of time. Indeed, given how many times Donald Trump has changed positions on so many other issues, I can’t help but point out one last time that antivaccine pseudoscience is probably the one position that he’s been utterly consistent about for at least a decade.</p> <p>Which brings me back to Andrew Wakefield’s claim. Did Donald Trump really meet with Andrew Wakefield, the disgraced UK surgeon and researcher who was struck off and whose research leading to his infamous 1998 case series in <em>The Lancet</em> implicating MMR as a risk factor for autism was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/01/06/piltdown-medicine-andrew-wakefields-scie/">shown to be fraudulent so brilliantly by Brian Deer</a>. If, so, this would be a very disturbing development, far more disturbing than yet another insinuation about Hillary Clinton’s e-mails, as it would involve a major party candidate for President of the United States meeting with an antivaccine activist looking to bring measles back to the world. Indeed, I'm glad news of this meeting came out before the election, because, quite frankly, I find the idea of Donald Trump's having met with an group of antivaccine conspiracy theorists and telling them he would help them if elected far more disturbing than yet another rehashed "revelation" about Clinton e-mails. Indeed, I'm surprised that news of this hasn't been proclaimed to the antivaccine faithful before.</p> <p>Our old friend, Levi Quackenboss, one of the quackiest antivaccine bloggers out there, reports that it is indeed true that Wakefield met with Trump and offers to “share” a few things about the meeting. Why did she wait until November 1, when Wakefield’s talk dates to late August and his alleged meeting with Donald Trump a couple of days before his talk? Who knows? Who cares? I’m bringing this up because it’s something that needs to be known before the election, and Quackenboss has reported on previous meetings between the antivaccine activists behind the movie VAXXED, such as Del Bigtree, and other legislators, such as <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/06/22/antivaxers-go-to-washington-to-persuade-rep-jason-chaffetz-to-investigate-the-cdc/">Rep. Jason Chaffetz</a>, before. Just last week, the VAXXED crew was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/10/28/nobody-promotes-antivaccine-nonsense-in-my-statewithout-receiving-some-insolence-2016-election-edition/">in my state meeting with state legislators</a>.</p> <p><a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/11/01/the-donald-trump-meeting/" rel="”nofollow”">Here’s what Quackenboss wrote in a blog post yesterday</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> The team that visited Trump last summer says that he is very consistent in his position on vaccines. He has certainly not abandoned us. They specifically talked with him about vaccine-induced autism and they report that Trump undoubtedly knows that vaccines can and do cause autism.</p> <p>Trump asked the type of questions that show the depth of his knowledge of the subject, such as how the current schedule came into being and how he can change it. He is already up to speed on what is happening. He already understands the issue. </p></blockquote> <p>At this point, I can’t help but note that, if Trump is truly “up to speed” on issues of vaccines and autism, even if it’s to be “up to speed” enough to know what antivaccine quacks are claiming, it would be the first time he’s been up-to-speed on pretty much any policy issue. If there’s one thing that’s been consistent about Donald Trump, it’s been that he assiduously avoids anything resembling the painful nasty details of science and policy and goes with conspiracy theories. Of course, that’s why he is so dangerous and why it is so disturbing that he actually met with the VAXXED team. Remember, the movie VAXXED is basically a movie about a conspiracy theory, that of the “<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/08/25/kevin-barry-you-magnificent-bastard-i-read-your-antivaccine-book/">CDC whistleblower</a>.” As I mentioned a couple of days ago, VAXXED, which was directed by Wakefield and produced by Del Bigtree, is a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/07/18/in-which-andrew-wakefield-and-del-bigtrees-antivaccine-documentary-vaxxed-is-reviewed-with-insolence/">propaganda movie disguised as a documentary</a> that is so blatant, so full of misinformation and lies, that, if she were alive today to see it, Leni Riefenstahl would say, “Dudes, that’s a bit much. You might want to tone it down a bit.” (Yes, I like to imagine Riefenstahl calling Bigtree and Wakefield “dudes,” with a thick German accent.)</p> <p>Now here’s <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/11/01/the-donald-trump-meeting/" rel="”nofollow”">the even more disturbing part</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> The most important promise came at the end of their meeting when someone said, “Donald, you are the only one who can fix this.”</p> <p>And Trump said, “I will.”</p> <p>He will fix this.</p> <p>Fixing this is not rocket science. Hell, it’s not even vaccine science. He will fix this. It is entirely fixable, and he appreciates our advocates lending their assistance in getting it done.</p> <p>Friends, we have a direct route to stopping this madness. Can you imagine that for a second? Can you just imagine having vaccine education advocates getting face-time with the person who appoints the director of the CDC?</p> <p>Trump asked for a follow-up with our side. They are giving him advice on how to help us. </p></blockquote> <p>It’s quite possible that Quackenboss is delusional about how much sway antivaccinationists have with the Trump campaign. She’s frequently delusional about a great many things. On the other hand, politicians—and, make no mistake, Trump is now a politician—frequently tell constituents what they want to hear. Also, Trump is known for being a most talented and shameless liar. However, there is a grain of plausibility here. Trump loves conspiracy theories, and the CDC whistleblower is a doozy of a conspiracy theory. He believes Alex Jones. He Tweets conspiracy theories unaltered about a great many things. <a href="http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/26/13016146/donald-trump-liar-media">He lies. All the time</a>. So who knows what Trump really thought meeting with Andrew Wakefield and the VAXXED crew (and whoever else came along for the ride)? If he actually watched the copy of VAXXED Quackenboss claims that he received from Wakefield, Trump would almost certainly eat it up.</p> <p>So did Donald Trump meet with Andrew Wakefield? Wakefield is a liar, and Quackenboss is deluded, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t telling the truth here. They might be exaggerating or spinning or they might be deluding themselves into believing that Trump cares about their pet conspiracy theories more than he actually does, but it does appear that Trump did meet with a man who is arguably the most famous antivaccine activist in the world.</p> <p>Of course, Trump has no clue about how the government works. He’s frequently blamed Hillary Clinton for not getting things done in 25 years in the federal government, seemingly not understanding that, for example, a single junior Senator can’t change the law by fiat, and even the President’s power to achieve his or her aims is constrained by Congress and the Courts. If Trump were elected and actually did follow through with the promises that Quackenboss claims he made to Wakefield, what he could achieve would be limited. He couldn’t, for example, unilaterally change the laws in 50 states mandating certain vaccinations for children entering school and daycare. He could, however, royally screw up the CDC, reversing decades of progress, by meddling in the internal affairs of the CDC and appointing a Secretary of Health and Human Services who is antivaccine-sympathetic. True, given existing law and the permanent bureaucracy of HHS and the CDC, there are limits to what he could do without changing the law, but by promoting the myth that vaccines cause autism from the White House as President of the United States, even if he ultimately produces little substantive difference in actual vaccine policy, he can still do enormous damage to public health that would take decades to reverse. Millions would believe the myth coming from the President of the United States.</p> <p>That scares me almost as much as the thought of Donald Trump’s finger on the nuclear trigger.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a></span> <span>Tue, 11/01/2016 - 22:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine-nonsense" hreflang="en">Antivaccine nonsense</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/autism" hreflang="en">autism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pseudoscience" hreflang="en">Pseudoscience</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quackery-0" hreflang="en">Quackery</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/skepticismcritical-thinking" hreflang="en">Skepticism/Critical Thinking</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/andrew-wakefield" hreflang="en">andrew wakefield</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine" hreflang="en">antivaccine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/del-bigtree" hreflang="en">Del Bigtree</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/donald-trump" hreflang="en">Donald Trump</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jake-crosby" hreflang="en">Jake Crosby</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/levi-quackenboss" hreflang="en">Levi Quackenboss</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vaccines" hreflang="en">vaccines</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vaxxed" hreflang="en">Vaxxed</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/policy" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346313" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478062748"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>HIllary scares me; the Donald is terrifying. </p> <p>To a considerable extent, I really don't care what USAian's do to themselves in their own country but both presidential candidates are very scary from a foreign policy view. </p> <p> The suggestion that Trump could help turn the USA into a net exporter of VPD's and possibly gut one of the premier public health organizations in the world adds to the nightmare. And given Trump's flair for policy the idiot would never understand the issue!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346313&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="onOXic7Bl3d18eQFHhzGLkDCx-i7wjOJig0YI0eO8WY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346313">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346314" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478066852"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My condolences on your lack of a good option. A raving lunatic, or an incompetent twit. One doesn't understand the rules, and the other doesn't care to follow them. You folks really need to develop a third and fourth party that is actually viable at the national level. Then at least you would have an option beyond holding your nose and voting for the least bad. </p> <p>Good luck come Nov 8 Orac.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346314&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LMgMAd0zebsRU_b9Rz3cwtqecBu-pq8SugJxA6KTACM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346314">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346315" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478069361"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Also, Trump is known for being a most talented liar. </i></p> <p>"Flagrant" and "shameless" are not the same as "talented". Have Trump's lies ever convinced anyone who didn't already want to believe?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346315&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QEwksDxVkQPHP7wXMuOV7PUc_vHczvj9Huug5K-3GHg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346315">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346316" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478069571"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Here come the false equivalencies:</p> <p>A racist, facist sexual predator with an undiagnosed personality disorder, impulse control issues, and a love of conspiracy theories who denies basic science about numerous issues, wants to increase the number of countries who have nukes, and has been endorsed by the KKK and neo-Nazi groups (I don't get how "ludgenpresse" and "judenpresse" being all over his rallies isn't getting more attention) and wants to gut the first amendment and jail his opponent, whose VP pick's dream is to usher the US into the Republic of Gilead.</p> <p>vs.</p> <p>A pretty competent politician whose policies you may disagree with but EMAILS and VINCE FOSTER and probably more than a little bit her vagina and her shrill voice.</p> <p>A shady politician vs. a literal dumpster fire who could end the world.</p> <p>BRING ON THE FALSE EQUIVALENCIES.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346316&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dta7ceOV9rd0aPYOcChVfzbgzqC_dLUdDqiIYSwcmnk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Frequent Lurker (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346316">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346317" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478070694"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How apropos! <a href="http://bit.ly/2e1HkQg">http://bit.ly/2e1HkQg</a> Especially K and V.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346317&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7W_ZFzCHj7hMM2Y0hxS30x_Rcmw8FQyjMGzKZ1mxwco"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Science Mom (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346317">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346318" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478071117"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Doesn't matter Science Mom, because she sent some emails once.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346318&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="spagamw_S51kubZPh6AgCIl_-cPsLN7135S3Tr6omPw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Frequent Lurker (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346318">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346319" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478072670"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="https://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/image/134795732608">https://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/image/134795732608</a></p> <p>#4 Frequent Lurker<br /> No false equivalences from me. I think Clinton is a danger on the foreign affairs and that her foreign affairs / are pretty incompetent as the history of the last 15 or 20 years indicates. Thus she/they scare me. </p> <p>Oh, and the Benghazi fiasco was nothing but the GOP being their normal idiot selves. One hopes that no one discovers that Clinton got a speeding ticket when she was in college. Trump/GOP would turn that into a hit and run with Hillary shooting it out with the FBI as she made her escape.</p> <p>I really don't care that much about US internal policy where she may be quite competent though I probably would not like some of her policies.</p> <p>OTOH Trump is everything you say and probably a lot more. He is truly TERRIFYING. </p> <p>What has amazed me is that the Dems have not tried to make more out of his alleged attempt to do business with Cuba. If at all true, it seems a lot better attack point than those silly Putin accusations. Wait, I forgot that fantasy has replaced fact in this US presidential election</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346319&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="q_D-VPFZ89J3eEbL63LyUXgHpBxMri4dbk1NlZ_sby4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346319">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346320" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478072861"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" foreign affairs / " should read "foreign affairs advisers"</p> <p>Come to think of it, the closest Trump comes to foreign advisors makes a zombie farm look good.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346320&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MdiEaoBGdgsilNKTFPVH8i4nEwlWXpONqjfO9461OkA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346320">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346321" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478076875"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@jkrideau, Clinton was a junior senator, later, US Secretary of State.<br /> Junior senators don't set policy for anything, save perhaps, their own office.<br /> The US Secretary of State doesn't set policy, the POTUS does.</p> <p>As for Trump attempting to conduct any business with Cuba, that's a dead issue since Obama opened relations with Cuba.<br /> But, Trump openly admiring Putin and Putin's support for Trump (plus a few other things I cannot discuss) does give me grave reservations about the man and his loyalties. </p> <p>So, we have two choices, Clinton and pretty much no change in policies or Trump and probable embargoes against the US, sanctions against the US and even money, thermonuclear war.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346321&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Y_WjBMDgh2UO5KAcjoYV-oBR6h023WzxsXpuHDIVrto"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346321">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346322" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478077922"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>it’s all about the con</p></blockquote> <p>Which would explain why Wakefield and Trump have a natural affinity for each other. One is a former medical researcher who was "struck off" (as they say in the UK) for research misconduct including fabrication of data and failure to disclose a personal financial interest in the research. The other is a serial deadbeat who routinely stiffs his contractors [1] (including lawyers who have defended him in suits against him for failure to pay) and whose repayment practices are so infamous that no US bank will do business with him. Grifters gotta grift.</p> <p>[1]Why this has not received more prominence I have no idea. Trump is not anti-establishment, he <i>is</i> the establishment, and on many documented occasions he has stiffed the little guy. In spite of this, lots of small business owners plan to vote for Trump, which is like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346322&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-yU7WR-wEOiZg8OG_9qy4e-fZ9WJ0FI7XlxdOT_FLQg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346322">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346323" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478078101"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I’m (wholeheartedly) with HER!</p> <p>Never before have I heard so many comparing the candidate of their party to some alleged “perfect” candidate, as if in the past this was the case and only now are we faced with such horrible “imperfection”. Appeals to therefore vote for loons on the fringe are even more confounding.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346323&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eIhOOx3AmdZCZ-O4oEiX_kaMCzRhJg0St7ZhzStAb8Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NastyWoman (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346323">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346324" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478078675"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p># 9<br /><i>As for Trump attempting to conduct any business with Cuba, that’s a dead issue since Obama opened relations with Cuba.</i> </p> <p>I guess it is but I don't see why. It seems to me to be pretty damn close to dealing with the enemy. I mean the next best thing to committing treason and it's being ignored?<br /> It seems a bit like telling Lord HaHa the war is over so don't worry about your broadcasts.</p> <p><i>Putin’s support for Trump</i> ????<br /> He may have said something kind about Trump but support? He's not stupid. My personal bet is that Putin and his cabinet are sitting around the cabinet table (or the banya?) shaking their heads and hoping for Hillary as the lesser of the two evils.</p> <p><i> we have two choices</i><br /> Yes, the not great but not mad one of Clinton and the totally mad and bad one of Trump.</p> <p>Best of luck</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346324&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xATka28oJEoWIRI0KFhBA1F1xcJ6TgcnYN1SlAx2IvA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346324">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346325" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478080679"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You may call us names like “paranoid conspiracy nuts”, but at least have one thing in common: Our experiences and knowledge of the subject is consistent. In contrast, pro-vaxxer fanatics seem to be all over the map with their beliefs and basic knowledge. I’ve been having this debate for a long time, and in that time I’ve heard a broad array of arguments:</p> <p>Pro-vaxxer fanatic #1 claims that vaccines are not drugs.<br /> Pro-vaxxer fanatic #2 admit that some vaccines carry more risks than others (which I agree with).<br /> Pro-vaxxer fanatic #3 lumps 3rd world countries into the disease fatality statistics.<br /> Pro-vaxxer fanatic #4 claims that absolutely NO Thiomersal<br /> exists in ANY vaccines.<br /> Pro-vaxxer fanatic #5 claims that any/all children can take an unlimited amount of vaccines and suffer 0 serious adverse reactions.<br /> Pro-vaxxer fanatic #6 (my personal favorite) concedes that vaccines can cause serious/permanent damage to a portion of the population but blames it on “bad genes”.</p> <p>So you see, its very hard for anyone who thinks critically to take any of you guys seriously. It would be great however if pro-vaxxers could hold a town meeting to get on the same page with their beliefs.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346325&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LxIMiwvoX5zDqXfY70iUZak9zwij1jsjSnf8nx3NMOE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cypher (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346325">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346326" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478082654"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cypher:</p> <p>[citation needed]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346326&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Wj_CsJcqNnRjl2y5xoxIwy9hJlRVcGMgmYj_uBMcD5g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TBruce (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346326">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346327" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478082771"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I see you're taking your straw man out for a stroll. How nice.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346327&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Up4oG0pMee_MAAtaP0Eb8pSZRirfRines2yE1kFKmiU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gaist (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346327">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346328" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478083204"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p># 15 gaist<br /> Halloween is over so there are lots of straw-men available.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346328&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4Ss7jWoLxzdMV2zoqP8fXF5f2As4rL2UBJsRDHhRcHw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346328">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346329" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478083638"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Pro-vaxxer fanatic #3 lumps 3rd world countries into the disease fatality statistics."</p> <p>Yes, this is so unfair! Nobody care about them 3d world people, nothing antivaxers say could possibly affect views of the people living there, and besides, just feed all of those savages lots of vitamin A, cod liver oil and apple cider vinegar and they won't have any more of disgusting yet beneficial diseases that we eradicated through better sanitation.</p> <p>You don't hear them bellowing about autism in Somalia, now do you?</p> <p>You da man, Cypher!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346329&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="s82FyqvTCZf4DoxaddmqeQStKfUSqox5zHpn6Se50gI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346329">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346330" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478083762"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>He may have said something kind about Trump but support? He’s not stupid. My personal bet is that Putin and his cabinet are sitting around the cabinet table (or the banya?) shaking their heads and hoping for Hillary as the lesser of the two evils.</p></blockquote> <p>I strongly disagree. There is substantial evidence that Russian hackers, who may have Russian government support, have been working in concert with Wikileaks in order to influence the election in Donald Trump's favor. Remember also that Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, resigned after his lobbying ties to Russia became news. And the Republican party platform planks that Trump was personally interested in were all foreign policy planks that were changed in a more pro-Russia direction.</p> <p>I have also heard suggestions that Putin's agents may have compromised Trump himself--suggestions I find plausible because Donald Trump is the kind of man who is easily lured into a "honey trap". I don't think Trump is an actual Russian agent, but the most charitable reading of his Russia ties that I can come up with is that Putin considers him a useful idiot.</p> <p>Putin's goal is to weaken Western alliances, including NATO and the EU. There was Russian money on the pro-Brexit side in that referendum, and Putin appears to be backing Le Pen in France. Electing Donald Trump would further Putin's goals, at least in the short to medium term.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346330&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1fuZG9-MIzr2DfKFosgJS1lvu83--tWd-bqag12e7Fo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346330">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346331" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478084786"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Eric Lund"<br /> "the most charitable reading of his Russia ties that I can come up with is that Putin considers him a useful idiot"</p> <p>That's how I read it too. And what many observers noticed: Trump had financial ties with Russia, he admires Putin as a "strong leader", and Putin, not being stupid indeed, is exploiting the situation to the max. I bet he would love a president Trump going into nuclear war with China or North Korea, for instance...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346331&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DMZwDLBVBAKj_v3UO_hM_C8JuorelSyxQqxtlNIrgek"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Irene Delse (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346331">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346332" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478085095"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Three thoughts -<br /> A. The comments you quoted from Trump about needle size really suggest he has not seen a child vaccinated in a long time, maybe ever. Wonder where that weird idea got fixed in his head.</p> <p>B. Someone who asks how the current schedule came about is not, in my view, demonstrating depth of knowledge, and the fact that it's presented that way is, well, weird.</p> <p>C. The blogger may also have some strange conceptions about how our policy making system and the CDC work. Yes, if Trump is elected, he can nominate a director for the CDC that will then have to be confirmed by the Senate. That does not translate into being able to magically order the CDC around or change our vaccine schedule, or affect state policies on this. Even if we believed for a moment that a hypothetical President Trump would focus all his energies on that, and not on pleasing his other, more numerous supporters. If the blogger thinks that Trump being elected would directly translate into our vaccine scheduled being undermined, the blogger doesn't understand the administrative state any better than she understands vaccines.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346332&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QzVFl5Ru6trsUCDU8BF8WVnM5Mzw7P5RSyswd_594G8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346332">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346333" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478086915"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I have also heard suggestions that Putin’s agents may have compromised Trump himself–suggestions I find plausible because Donald Trump is the kind of man who is easily lured into a “honey trap”.</p></blockquote> <p>Agreed. His comments and actions reveal a man who thinks with his "little head".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346333&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VQvoP-TJwkwZMujkp8S7zacVxcT9nWwWkp908xYIaWw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346333">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346334" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478087058"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>If the blogger thinks that Trump being elected would directly translate into our vaccine scheduled being undermined, the blogger doesn’t understand the administrative state any better than she understands vaccines.</p></blockquote> <p>But, but ... <i>Robyn Ross is a lawyer!</i></p> <p>My money's on this being an utter crock, but I suppose somebody could just ask Trump.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346334&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="M6gtDfpipjQztNDMh8IBXYQU0DYEl1qo-A9O8JlS3Ns"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346334">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1346335" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478087332"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I really wish someone would, but given how close to the election is I tend to doubt that this will happen.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346335&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XfAzUR1cUzK-jHhC8Z9JSbKNnZov4VhkhvRdljSHa24"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346335">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346336" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478088401"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Could I pick stupid AND lying?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346336&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="k6PEgBPPQnlHvgbVjTELDSR3ihc_XKjieZiv2-0MxaQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">D Young (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346336">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346337" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478088677"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The comments you quoted from Trump about needle size really suggest he has not seen a child vaccinated in a long time, maybe ever. Wonder where that weird idea got fixed in his head.</p></blockquote> <p>Trump is 70 years old now, so he would have been about nine when the Salk vaccine became available. I don't know for sure if he got a polio vaccination, but polio was a big deal in the early to mid 1950s, so it's probable he did. It is also possible that, between improved technology and not being fully physically grown when he got the vaccine, he might think that the needle is bigger than it really is.</p> <p>I am sure, however, that you are right about his not seeing a child vaccinated recently. That would have been something his children's mothers would have dealt with.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346337&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oJFwo1mTw4ssYghxrpwp1l6y961B22MC7_H9O8_VZHY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346337">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346338" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478092913"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>but by promoting the myth that vaccines cause autism from the White House as President of the United States ... he can still do enormous damage to public health that would take decades to reverse</p></blockquote> <p>Yes, but he would garner considerable ridicule from the rest of the world, which might help a few people realise just what sort of person they'd voted into the White House. Then again, such criticism would be seen by some of his other fans as evidence which bolsters their paranoid conspiracy fantasies. Oh well.</p> <p>Sorry. If Trump gets in, you're fucked. But if that happens, I'll say thanks for joining us: I thought only the UK had been so monumentally stupid as to vote to fuck itself up this year.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346338&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oGT9pdUHNcVRsAO8A7snWa3CCRANjqsP2Eusp9RdXYY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rich Woods (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346338">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346339" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478094236"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>which might help a few people realise just what sort of person they’d voted into the White House</p></blockquote> <p>Unfortunately, the people who would vote for Trump won't be among them. They seem absolutely sure that Trump should be President. The Dunning-Kruger is strong in Trump voters, as it is in Trump himself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346339&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uLHVY-HIo7FcFk8Ze__SseZfHQrtNXoYnlGCVPSDtpg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346339">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346340" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478096136"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I have also heard suggestions that Putin’s agents may have compromised Trump himself–suggestions I find plausible because Donald Trump is the kind of man who is easily lured into a “honey trap”."</p> <p>This theory presumes that Trump would be sufficiently mortified by something he did to fall for blackmail, and that his supporters would care if they heard about it.</p> <p>Not likely.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346340&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Y1Jbozs-gvRtlk-0LSnbQHhdGKhoN0uO6l89LY9RbNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346340">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346341" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478097132"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I observe that Orac and some of his minions ( USian and otherwise) are not exactly thrilled at the prospect of a Trump presidency**</p> <p>HOWEVER because of my education,<br /> training and experience dealing with people suffering from emotional turmoil who fear their possible future, I offer help:</p> <p>- take deep breaths, empty your mind of all thought- let the world in its misery and distress *float* past you- like a dream:<br /> for it surely is.*All things will pass. All things will pass away.*</p> <p>- eat luscious food that woo-meisters deem 'bad' for you</p> <p>- look in the liquor cabinet/ stash drawer*** and see what is immediately available</p> <p>- call your friends to 'talk about it' in a sincere manner</p> <p> OR<br /> (because we are sceptics and look first to DATA and REALITY)</p> <p>Go to 538 RIGHT NOW!</p> <p>Alright, first read an article or two,<br /> - click on the map<br /> - click on the forecasts<br /> - click on various states<br /> - scroll down for more polls, time line graphs ( really good for you!)</p> <p>LOOK at the numbers. Don't panic YET. It could be much worse. I agree it was better last week. Perhaps too good to be true</p> <p>NEVER forget: liberals freak out all of the time.</p> <p>We can handle this and much worse. Our parents lived through the Depression, the War, the Blitz, Viet Nam, Reagan/ Thatcher ( choose one or more).</p> <p>Other sources MSNBC, Bloomberg Politics</p> <p>** (((shudder)))<br /> *** believe it or not, I do not have a stash drawer</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346341&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5PiHw1v5_08naFetkj1S5gIpsV7_3U-RYK1d815OP9Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346341">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346342" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478097897"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> *** believe it or not, I do not have a stash drawer</p></blockquote> <p>I do not believe it :D</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346342&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="apRuVpEXz2qUx6L7YjYpWk5IiiWKBwd0CMVewuKnMsU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Science Mom (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346342">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346343" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478098126"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>More seriously: Orac mentions negative qualities associated with Trump-</p> <p>while I have no idea if the fellow himself is amongst them<br /> ( he protests otherwise- possibly truthfully as his daughter is Jewish )<br /> some of his supporters are quite anti-Semitic and anti-media, often conflating the two.</p> <p>I read and heard about quite a few instances of awful material on social media flung on people who may be Jewish or who have 'Jewish-sounding' names </p> <p>Anti-Semitism goes so well with racism and misogyny.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346343&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LS4xkk6mbnJ4KPtCrMBNCPebxvqYqb4R76loD_uZu6I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346343">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346344" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478098719"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Science Mom:</p> <p>Do you really think that I could maintain my weight if I had the aforementioned Stash Drawer?<br /> Shockingly, I weigh what I did when I started my university education. </p> <p>Stash drawers would make that impossible.</p> <p>And- believe it or not- I do not get<br /> free samples of pharmaceuticals to hand out like candy.</p> <p>People like me for other reasons too arcane to mention.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346344&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Bpb3gb4jB8CcOedbY6tVFJa-58y8i3K_3bDLDnNMSos"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346344">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346345" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478099190"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Do you really think that I could maintain my weight if I had the aforementioned Stash Drawer?</i></p> <p>I was imagining a stash of something other than chocolates...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346345&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5Vx3aZU-_hrNG7BNmgJKITwvtoY3PV4Qvekkura0bZM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346345">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346346" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478099408"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh. The munchies. Of course.</p> <p>Anyway, re: Putin and Trump, Trump claims that Putin "says nice things" about him. It's been reported that Putin called Trump "bright" or "brilliant" - this is kind of true, in the literal sense. He called him <i>yarkii</i>, which <i>literally</i> means bright or brilliant, in the "colorful" or even "gaudy" sense.</p> <p>Putin is a lot of things, but not stupid, as mentioned above. He certainly <i>does</i> favor a President Trump, though - he has come right out and said it now - because Trump would be just as much of a xenophobe/Islamophobe/racist/etc. as Putin. Plus he would be a useful idiot; he's a gargoyle downspout for pipeline* of Russian disinformation. See him repeating BS from RT lately.</p> <p>*Or puke funnel, if you prefer.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346346&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-IEbVJl19fqojOyxakHu42f6wqcM_PRTZVE6Em0G8j0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346346">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346347" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478099653"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, and they (Putin and Trump) have both become fabulously wealthy through shady dealings, and are both beloved by various oligarchs who aspire to such heights...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346347&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oqxuT-VljJ7vODttpP4KTTeX7ECOVYXBTTHk8aNgSak"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346347">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346348" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478099755"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ JP:</p> <p>Me too!</p> <p>Seriously!<br /> I avoid 'smokables' partially for that reason but also because it de-sharpens my .. ahem! *abilities*.</p> <p>I have had experience with other drugs/ meds that I enjoy IMMENSELY<br /> BUT<br /> I never wanted to become beholden to a substance.. if you catch my drift. </p> <p>And I don't eat chocolate at all.<br /> I have more interesting tastes.<br /> Woo-meisters would faint if they saw my choices.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346348&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="G-IuI2YF8xJWPptLP-9OZp_bC6AomHFSPWG1hyok8_4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346348">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1346349" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478101775"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>for it surely is.*All things will pass. All things will pass away.*</p></blockquote> <p>Yeah, but that "all things will pass" and "all things will pass away" applies to ME, too, and I don't want to pass away having spent the next few decades left in my life experiencing the aftereffects of a Trump Presidency.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346349&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="luCNShZtSWdsNTGA8kelLkeqjJ1BGkjmQhYIlDfcAOg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346349">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346350" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478102121"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>DB@29: Granted, Trump's supporters won't care. But as Willie Stark put it, "the right kind of <i>argumentum</i> can scare the <i>hominem</i> into a laundry bill he didn't expect." So I can envision a Russian agent telling Trump something like this:<br /></p><blockquote>We have film of what you did last night. That girl is underage. We know that the American police will prosecute people who do this. You wouldn't want us to share this film with the American Embassy, would you?</blockquote> <p>Trump has gotten away with as much as he has because as a white male with money, he automatically gets a lot of not-entirely-deserved respect. That, and the non-disclosure agreements he makes everybody working with him sign. (We know about how he treated Alicia Machado because, as the reigning Miss Universe when Trump bought the pageant, she was not covered under that NDA.) But the police properly take a dim view of an adult who has sex with minors.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346350&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lR33jeJC-0jpRONft9UPSVwWtEaRSViMTU_3HyhtOdQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346350">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346351" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478103115"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Denice@30: For a polling aggregator, I prefer <a href="http://election.princeton.edu">Sam Wang's site</a>. 538 has been much too sensitive to news noise this cycle, and I think their error bars are much too large.</p> <p>Wang shows Clinton as having a 97% (random drift) to 99% (Bayesian) chance of winning, and computes that the state level polls would have to shift in aggregate three points toward Trump for Trump to win. The Senate, however, looks like it's coming down to the wire. The Democrats need to pick up four seats (five if the Republicans win the Presidency) to gain a Senate majority. Illinois is almost assured, and Pennsylvania is likely. But five other Republican-held seats (IN, MO, NC, NH, WI) and one Democratic-held seat (Nevada) are within one percent. So if you are looking for a place for a political donation, consider donating in one of those six races.</p> <p>Taking the House is a longshot, because districts in several states are so heavily gerrymandered that Clinton would have to win by about 8 points to make a House flip likely. But the Democrats are likely to pick up some seats--15 to 20 is the estimated range I have seen; 30 would be required to flip the house. I live in one of the potential pick-up districts (NH-01). Long-time readers of this blog will be pleased to hear that Issa (CA-49) is one of the endangered incumbents.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346351&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aev7ypU1e-iKtvlBQNcs6ed7bLE1NnEmkmntS0EaEQ0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346351">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346352" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478103996"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>As for Trump attempting to conduct any business with Cuba, that’s a dead issue since Obama opened relations with Cuba.</p></blockquote> <p>And before that, we had the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. You know, where they do the torture.</p> <p>What's with that? We're not supposed to have anything to do with Cuba but there is our military base down there -- What do we do, render unto them our Gitmo special services in return? </p> <p>Mmmm, Trump. I'll hug him and love him and kiss him and squeeze him and call him George.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346352&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9MK3uEyE7LVQ-Re-hiIp0FOx2pgkpZwjyTmuCMJKsvA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gilbert (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346352">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346353" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478104852"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Two things, both directly related to security:</p> <p>1) Here's the message I received on November 2, 2016 when attempting to visit Science-Based Medicine:</p> <p>"The owner of <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org">www.sciencebasedmedicine.org</a> has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website."</p> <p>2) On the U.S. election and so many poll results suggesting a close race, did you know that the Moody's model has predicted every election correctly since it was created in 1980? I didn't:</p> <p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303729-election-model-predicts-big-win-for-clinton">http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303729-election-…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346353&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XmAhtYiCu1pno2LQjSj8giMKd8bNbwhhvaxQcL68n68"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lighthorse (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346353">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346354" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478105375"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It is quite possible that the Russians have hacked the Democrats system. But then, so, probably, has the NSA, GCHQ (?), the Chinese, and a spotty teenager in his parents' basement in Cleveland Ohio. The CSE in Ottawa may have done it if they had a quiet Friday. Hacking a system with that many users including volunteers is likely to be trivial.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346354&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xx5SvSoh46wrDbF9D4fYqvcXsMSFpwbWYlNMR8bBGS8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346354">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346355" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478105507"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p># 36 JP </p> <p>So Putin used “яркий”? I had never seen/heard the Russian. Thanks JP.</p> <p>An adjective like that tends to support my opinion that Putin is not supporting Trump. Trump <i>could</i> play the role of useful idiot, though rising up to the level is “useful” might be difficult for him. </p> <p>He would be likely to be such a loose cannon that he would be of a dangerous liability than any kind of asset. I am sure Putin knows that Trump would be just as dishonest, shifty and opportunistic dealing with him as he would be when dealing with anyone else.Putin is a smart politician and seems unlikely to do something this stupid and chancy. </p> <p>Putin is juggling a number serious situations around home, does anyone think he is going to waste time and annoy the most likely new presidentof the US by supporting a losing buffoon?</p> <p>One can see <i>one</i> reason why he might want it to appear that he supports Trump; he really prefers Clinton as the devil he knows versus the mad idiot no one knows. Anyone remember the Brer Rabbit stories? </p> <p>Putin appears to support Trump; Americans panic and rush to Clinton. Occam's razor suggests it is a lot simpler to blame the rumours on some Democratic Party disinformation effort.</p> <p>These claims of Russian hacking, etc., remind me a lot of the run-up to the Iraq invasion. Steel tubing, yellow cake, mobile chemical warfare units, rockets. </p> <p>Still it is quite possible that the Russians have hacked the Democrats computers. But then, so probably has the NSA, Bletchly Park, the Chinese, the Romanians and a spotty teenager in this parents' basement in Cleveland Ohio. The CSE in Ottawa may have done it if it was a quiet Friday. </p> <p>Hacking a system with that many users including volunteers and technologically untrained politicians is likely to be trivial. </p> <p>I did not bookmark it but I remember a report that one “Russian” hacker left behind some kind of user name. The name was “Фе́ликс Эдму́ндович” [Felix Edmundovich] the name and patronymic of Felix Dzerzhinsky. Let's make sure everyone realizes it is the FSB! This is the equivalent of a 3 year old hiding behind the sofa and then jumping up and down saying, “Here I am Daddy”. Sorry but this type of thing makes me less convinced about any Russian activity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346355&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KjS6pvzWfU1KW9VDbLjOd7v4l7pteJqpLXAP8EripLE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346355">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346356" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478105714"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I pick Andy as lying, all the way. The "mandatory vaccination nationwide" if HRC is elected claim is the giveaway. Andy has to know pols in Texas who would explain that the GOP will almost certainly retain the House, which will consider no business other than impeaching Clinton and repealing Obamacare. NONE of HRC's agenda will get past the House or the Senate filibuster, and whatever HRC devotes her limited political capital to in an attempt to move forward, it won't be vaccines.</p> <p>Even if AJW has started to half-believe his own BS and Sennet's as well, his broader CT-mongering is pure con. The whole 'new-Tuskeegee' schtick is one of the most transparently cynical and calculated bits of BS I've ever seen. </p> <p>If The Donald did actually meet with anyone from Team Vaxxed', I doubt he'd remember their names, and with his infamously short attention span I put the odds he watched the movie at zero. Maybe, if Del sent him a brown-nosing Tweet, Trump would read it and re-tweet it along with other praise from neo-nazis, anti-semites, and pickup-artist MRAs. </p> <p>Andy's just another comparatively low-level grifter toward the back of the long line of opportunists looking to make a buck by exploiting Trumpism, and actually LESS "ridiculously over-the-top" than the major players in front of him in line. On Monday, Ann Coulter said if Trump loses politics is over, and the only recourse is to hunker in a bunker as "America becomes some combo platter of Afghanistan and Guatemala."</p> <p>Andy's grift is to maintain a very comfortable lifestyle by sucking money from narcissistic well-heeled strivers who have had their visions of the perfect life they feel was their destiny and birthright derailed by the 'blight' of autism. He cares not one whit if the common folk who were once worried enough to hold off on immunizing their kids are now taking them in for their shots, as long as enough of the hoi poloi with ASD kids can be convinced only he can oppose the massive conspiracy that just MUST have been necessary to 'blight' their otherwise ubermenschen 'winning' existences. He needs to keep less than a few thousand marks from pulling out the IV cash-transfusion needle of his con. And spinning a narrative where HRC would signal The End of Days, but he and only he, ANDY WAKEFIELD has the ear of The Donald and can save the perfect snowflake babies wil get them to open their wallets one more time. </p> <p>I'm sure Andy has already worked out another narrative variation to fuel his grift after Trump goes down in flames, and in true Orwellina fashion, if anything he's ever said in the past needs to be erased and forgotten to accomodate it, that will occur with no perceivable friction.</p> <p>As frightening as Trumpism truly is, this latest blast from Andy is actually good news on the public health front. The AVs keep moving farther out the looney-limb, and though this parallels Trumpism, it's haute bourgeois narcissism won't draw any converts from the lumpen-Trumpen. VPD outbreaks can't happen unless a certain critical mass of more-or-less otherwise normal parents become just worried enough about vaccine 'maybes' that they fail to act - people who do not hold 'vaccines absolutely cause autism' as a first principle that dominates and redefines their identities. They have a lot of high-stakes things to worry about in the Trump/Clinton contest : losing or finding a decent paying job, they or theirs dying in a war or terrorist attack, losing everything in the next crash of the speculation bubble, sexual harassment... Telling anyone but the already True Believers that this is "a one-issue" election, and is a sure way to get them to turn away and never take anything else you say or have ever said seriously.</p> <p>In closing, I submit it's waaay past time to retire 'stupid' as an epithet directed at either Andy or his marks. What's going on there is a very clever con artist exploiting a precise pathological cognitive blindspot shared by a small group of not-in-any-general-way-stupid swells. There's simply no rational way to explain the so-far-BEYOND-stupid BS they're willing to buy, and he can get away with selling them.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346356&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3Kov143hEIUiG8dHJuLSiFJjDzbNJUja850kpm24x0s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346356">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346357" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478105737"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Eric Lund:</p> <blockquote><p>Trump is not anti-establishment, he is the establishment, and on many documented occasions he has stiffed the little guy. In spite of this, lots of small business owners plan to vote for Trump, which is like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.</p></blockquote> <p>That is absolutely brilliant. Mind if I stash that in my quotefile for future reuse? ;-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346357&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="S4kGNBpynATRu3T-JG-vIBppKDeS3k6AGOUGjgohHS0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Calli Arcale (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346357">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346358" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478107714"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Pretty sure Drumpf hasn't seen VAXXED because it isn't about him or star him or reference him (to my knowledge). Narcissists cannot abide anything that isn't about THEM.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346358&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_eYA2rpkZGajq5l8clcDY-dtf4BdyGYmQZUCAGPcfOo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Katatonic (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346358">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346359" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478107901"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm just depressed that in an election with 4 candidates (counting the third party folks), one is full on anti-vaxx (Trump) one is very loud dog whistles anti-vax (Stein), one is probably anti-vax but I haven't heard it directly (Johnson) and only one actually acknowledges the science behind vaccination (Clinton).</p> <p>For goodness sake, what century is it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346359&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TIvkAQWX3xKT6oGR3hw5NI1kmHoenwqkYXSnZtA5K-Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346359">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346360" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478108731"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Pro-vaxxer fanatic #3 lumps 3rd world countries into the disease fatality statistics."</p> <p>3rd world (old term, by the way. Not considered very respectful) countries like...oh, France (where measles infection directly kills 1 in 2000) or California (where SSPE is killing people who catch measles early on).</p> <p>One does wonder where cypher copied the points from.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346360&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fg7v4a68eH1II5a3vufmEYJURhtMY-X-h_WrzIQP2No"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Matthew Carey (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346360">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346361" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478110944"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@JustaTech,</p> <p>Gary Johnson changed his opinion from 4 years ago and now supports vaccination. Unfortunately for his campaign hopes, he didn't do his foreign affairs homework and has tanked in the polls. But we might see a complete independent win in Utah.</p> <p><a href="http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mcmullin-may-need-a-game-changer-to-win-utah/">http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mcmullin-may-need-a-game-changer-to…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346361&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NdXt3RFgZDmtq2yctluHrCbwBQZ9eBbe3sG0vGqlDGA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">squirrelelite (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346361">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346362" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478112086"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@JustaTech</p> <p>Until recently Johnson opposed 'mandatory vaccination' on Libertarian principle, but in August someone explained herd immunity to him and he changed his position:</p> <blockquote><p>ohnson said he believes vaccination policy should be handled at the local level. "In my opinion, this is a local issue. If it ends up to be a federal issue, I would come down on the side of science and I would probably require that vaccine," he said. Johnson said his position changed recently. "It's an evolution actually just in the last month or so," he said. "I was under the belief that … 'Why require a vaccine? If I don't want my child to have a vaccine and you want yours to, let yours have the vaccine and they'll be immune.' Well, it turns out that that's not the case, and it may sound terribly uninformed on my part, but I didn't realize that."</p></blockquote> <p>Longtime RI readers will recall Orac faulted Clinton back in '08 for her responses to a questionnaire on autism research from an autism activist group: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/zr2ugwu">http://tinyurl.com/zr2ugwu</a>. At the time, anti-vax had yet to retreat to the Trump-loving lunatic fringe represented by AoA, NVIC had some bi-partisan credibility, especially given it's funding by Claire Dwoskin, whose hubby Al was a friend and political ally of the Clintons.. and a big donor to HRC's campaign. So, Hillary was probably just doing a bit of temporary pandering to Claire Dwoskin for the $$, and not paying that much attention to the science. Post-Disneyland, that whole dynamic disappeared, HRC made her celebrated #GrandmothersKnowBest Tweet: "The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork. Let's protect all our kids." The remaining True Believer AV's have subsequently been running "Mandated Vaccines Will Be A Toxic Reality Of A Clinton Administration" smack anywhere they can catch a vine. A Google search of 'Claire Dwoskin vaccines' yields ZERO hits posted in the past 12 months.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346362&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jGnUukaciQ2EkNZg0f8u-_7ERFAhDyvUpbgyiJpxiIk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346362">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346363" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478113556"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I went to an issues-matching website where one of the questions dealt with Vaccines. It said that Trump supports Federally mandated vaccines for children, and the quote they had to support that "opinion" was woefully brief and vague ("I'm for vaccines... but would spread them out"). Their fact checker must not have any idea what he/she was looking for, but being misled like that makes me cringe. I had to explain to my husband the "I'm not antivaccine, but...." anti-vax statement.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346363&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sbjmKdCcoun58uEGsonUwnFvjxZ2jXqd_xwzjyyzyIc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kristina (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346363">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346364" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478114823"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I pick Andy as lying, all the way. The “mandatory vaccination nationwide” if HRC is elected claim is the giveaway."</p> <p>This is the current rhetoric of his team. Especially Del Bigtree.</p> <p>"Be afraid! They are coming for YOU! Mandatory vaccines!!!!"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346364&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1hQH2EB0PT0psEAk_p6He1bbOLd0L1YsO4O1uYTzUko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Matthew Carey (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346364">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346365" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478117796"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Calli@47: The "chickens for Colonel Sanders" part is not original with me--I've long since forgotten who I first heard use it. But if you think the line will persuade any potential voters, go ahead and use it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346365&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rkggS_1HH6oyEsGluj9eEEqVduJBLYBwIH35-gsGWDM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346365">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346366" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478119025"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There was a recent post to the VAXXED Facebook page congratulating Wakefraud for being in Italy speaking to "leaders" there about Vaxxed. The picture with the post was Wakefield with the US flag taking up the whole background. I saw some debate over whether Wakfraud now has US citizenship. If not, then the Trumpers need to know that AJW is one of them thar ebil foreigners.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346366&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u-9VYA_uepbcJtHxAYUjp_qLacbQxCAU7somhwtEhKA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Hickie (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346366">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346367" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478136887"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I can't put too fine a point on it. We in New Zealand are terrified at the thought that monster Donald J Trump could conceiveably become US President. This is worse than the Cold War ever was!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346367&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="v0-RqzMqxIsJlfzitgy7wuDyeQ2oGWdoMkGesGlSb4M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NZ Skeptic (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346367">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346368" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478138485"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Here’s the message I received on November 2, 2016 when attempting to visit Science-Based Medicine</p></blockquote> <p>The SSL has been broken for quite some time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346368&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="n2DTObMaHIOwuEAOVsaJcd-uBFFO4l0MOCmCjdHSAMw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 02 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346368">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346369" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478173336"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Correction: I incorrectly assumed above that the CDC Director is a principal officer whose appointment has to be confirmed by the Senate. It looks like he's directly appointed by the president alone.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346369&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qmr7vSDhK48eoTBWLdn5tBdWwmcUNGFnnCw98IiZ3AY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346369">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346370" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478174796"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>NZ Skeptic:</p> <p>Most Canadians are terrified as well. We also have proximity and economic ties to worry about. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (father of PM Justin) famously said while addressing a US audience:</p> <blockquote><p>Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.</p></blockquote> <p>In the case of Trump, substitute Cthulu for elephant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346370&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E1BzH4EvVRaZXppGGvU1SonGWJict9OlT6Een4saZZ4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TBruce (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346370">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346371" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478177351"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Orac:</p> <p>Going by the numbers- and a little bit of insider dope**- I think that we don't have that much to fear:<br /> - look at the numbers ( including Wang and Moody's - which I have seen as well as those on my other sites)<br /> - liberals/ democrats are notorious 'bedwetters' prior to elections - even the last one ( numbers looked good for the Handsome Black Ninj.. I mean Mr Obama but the partisans freaked out bigly).** It is in their nature.</p> <p>At any rate, I keep telling myself these things so I don't go out and drown my sorrows in Tanqueray and diet tonic.</p> <p>** David Plouffe etc.<br /> *** I know I had to say it once. It IS BIG LEAGUE.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346371&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xPKXv3RpGH-MepkNsbsEIKM2hc0PrvlFGiHCVP7hoVc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346371">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346372" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478178130"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Eric Lund:</p> <p>Also, Trump may not have been followed as closely by journalists as he should have been ( despite the great stuff I see now although I did see some way back when):<br /> there is so much dreck surrounding him, they seem to have let some pass as they move on to the next piece of crap, hoping desperately to find more brightly shining crap to write about/ report on. AND there are loads of it.</p> <p>Opposition research on him prior to his convention may have not been so great- did they hope to save money, doubting that he would last?</p> <p>I take comfort in the fact that women do NOT want to vote for him by a wide margin,<br /> so being that most - if not all- states have more women than men and women vote more than men,<br /> even if 50% of women vote against him, we can't win.</p> <p>Remember that old '90's tune:<br /> " We got the power" ?<br /> Perhaps it's true.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346372&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1_dqrxKhjPOFFI3H93URixfwNXbwqPpVtja0gJRYdz8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346372">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346373" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478178268"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>*Pardonez mon slip Freudian*:</p> <p>it's HE can't win</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346373&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HY2ZhMGzXDOOD9zeDUzK3_DEl1rKivTN-hncn9fHqb0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346373">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346374" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478185067"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Denice: Nate Silver stated that the Cubs had the same chance of winning the World Series as Donald Trump has of winning the election. Am I right to be extra worried now?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346374&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NK-13-7GYaTS-OwtQbUukJa90kuaM4CwH_9VfddRWDs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346374">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346375" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478188455"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>sadmar and squirrelelite, Thanks! "On the state level" makes me super twitchy, but it's really refreshing to hear that not only is Johnson willing to not blindly follow the party line on this, but that's he's open to new information.<br /> (Not that I would vote for him. If anything this election cycle has shown him to be pretty darn loony in general. And I already voted, happily, for HRC.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346375&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7BvmaVqHC2j1PcKYrX_2BoJUM9QHh0L_GW5_AxRfeNQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346375">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346376" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478192066"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@JP: Nate said that when the Cubs were down 3 games to 1. The fact that the Cubs came back to win the next 3 games is a reminder that unlikely things like that can in fact happen, but it doesn't make other unlikely things more likely to happen. So if you were discounting Trump as having no chance when Hillary was being given a 87% chance of winning, you should be more worried than that, but not so worried that you think the sky is falling.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346376&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="se6Twrape-mb-B2t20IVMyHef8ak04NFW-5b8TCXIEM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dave W. (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346376">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346377" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478193024"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>nz skeptic:<br /> Actually, if you read message boards, letters to the editor, etc, an astonishing number of kiwis support Trump. And a lot don't care, they just enjoy watching the whole train wreck.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346377&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VqV2zOcBLRWPKTlAQYgogK7mAT4E3QPCMSnw8LI2tTo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Biblia (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346377">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346378" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478193631"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I don't know what you're all so upset about. I mean, he seems like a reasonable sort. Who among us has not looked at a 10 year old girl and said, "I'll be dating her in 10 years, can you believe it?" It takes a truly decent, honourable man to sexualize a child. And his "love" for his eldest daughter is not puke-inducing in the least. His comments with respect to her are only cringeworthy if you're one of these pantsuit-loving feminazis.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346378&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sMjPhPBHO59jo6eUh53XEbTARv4mHYuYcVUIwIgwPyM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346378">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346379" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478193924"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Pro-vaxxer fanatic #3 lumps 3rd world countries (sic) into the disease fatality statistics.</i></p> <p>Yeah, because who cares about them, right. Fuck off.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346379&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X_D5Dzk2Y_4rnizW1TVHNw7Ub_2ER4uY5Jir93u5uYw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346379">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346380" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478200229"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Gad, Delphine, we've missed you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346380&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iSltPXoo6gSDxOMC-_J_3FLwHK_22G1AnUMnVy4OY5I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay simmons (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346380">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346381" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478202492"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>TBruce:<br /> I am reminded of the quote attributed to 19th-Century Mexican President Porfirio Diaz: "Poor Mexico. So far from God, so close to the United States!" :) </p> <p>(apologies for the amateurish emoticon)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346381&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1AqkdUCBPbNaIQxZXISg-HMuVbmZKLxhqFxgrGlN9mE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Harrison Bolter (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346381">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346382" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478202683"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oops. I thought my emoticon would come out looking like the way I typed it (colon-parentheses).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346382&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PGpZ24A3ntEKZz-9a_sa842UacVUWBX5BqxrmfF5xNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Harrison Bolter (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346382">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346383" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478235659"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Denice Walter : </p> <blockquote><p>*Pardonez mon slip Freudian*</p></blockquote> <p>This french commenter couldn't help but laugh since "slip" means "briefs" in french ; the correct (but less funny) word would be "lapsus freudien". ;-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346383&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qA3yCAB5N3_d04w8yRvAFgFWZTkIWpNFUMXE_jBYAiY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">LouV (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346383">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346384" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478245262"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Delphine: welcome back! You've been missed. How's Delphinette and Mr D?</p> <p>Big news around this household: Youngest was accepted into an accelerated nursing program (BSN in 18 months - you have to already have a BA to be admitted). She's already discussing what vaccines she needs to get to make sure she's fully UTD, especially for a hospital setting. (She's normal UTD, but needs a few boosters for clinicals).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346384&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5JemzJpKc5EO5emyMhOpUXQvvIOUYMafoDctjRbVTt4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MI Dawn (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346384">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346385" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478257350"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ JP:</p> <p>( -btw- I'm glad that Dave explained that for you.)</p> <p>We have to go with the flow and keep looking at the numbers. As I mentioned above, liberals are well-known for their capacity for freaking out: after all, we are sensitive souls ( not that we have souls) and metaphorically, bedwetters ( see the other sites I enumerate above).</p> <p>Right now. although I am decidedly not as pleased as punch, I feel that we are not in a terrible place. Probabilities of more than 80% in an ideologically divided country would never become ironbound realities but are merely evanescent reactions to Trumpian faux pas/ reveals.</p> <p>Just look at this:<br /> - women's vote contra Trump<br /> - how educated voters vastly reject him<br /> - Hispanics as well<br /> - African Americans ( in part)</p> <p>Portions of these blocs may indeed make up for other weaknesses compared to Obama (such as the lessened Youngster factor and decreased turnout amongst African Americans). She may win some voters whom traditional Republicans used to count upon ( white college educated). It seems that the Hispanic vote may be very important this year and they don't love him.</p> <p>AND don't forget the news cycle. Although it gives and it takes away**, more and more crap is leaking about Trump and his friends in the FBI etc</p> <p>Thus, hang tough. It's only a few more days. Hopefully..</p> <p>** like the ( non-existent) Lord.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346385&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3JmeVUBRtD6bXwH40D7zRpfyjkemGjT6CTI2_plcBN0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346385">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346386" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478257896"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I am reminded of the quote attributed to 19th-Century Mexican President Porfirio Diaz: “Poor Mexico. So far from God, so close to the United States!”</p> <p>A curious remark, seeing that Diaz got U.S. support for his 8th run for the Presidency (which he won thanks to massive electoral fraud, and was subsequently driven from office). Diaz seems to have prospered during his time as Mexico's ruler despite being so close to the United States:</p> <p>"The Porfiriato was marked by corruption and bloodshed of unprecedented scale in Mexican history. Economic growth mainly benefited Díaz' close allies such as small political groups, family and accomplices government posts such as heads of army units, Mexican states as well as foreigners such as the Rockefellers, Hearsts and Guggenheims of the time. Díaz in turn would require a percentage of their tax earnings, amassing a large personal fortune."</p> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porfirio_D%C3%ADaz">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porfirio_D%C3%ADaz</a></p> <p>Of course, that's nothing compared to the scandalous behavior of Canada's dictators. ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346386&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_cl4OKamIcm4wttWsHhnvZKaZACKTFhTCS-8U8QkkB0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346386">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346387" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478258435"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ LouV:</p> <p>Merci.</p> <p>I hope that you realise that I am here, first and foremost, to entertain whilst providing information and holding hands.</p> <p>At any rate, I, like my late father, have worked on developing my natural capacities for speaking and writing in Franglais.</p> <p>It is much easier than Yiddish and I am much better at it than I am Japanese, Arabic or Russian which are much harder to mangle and use different alphabets.</p> <p>As for the briefs, well, I mostly keep them in my legal folder.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346387&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="txr-aoNWURGG0NgA65fkBM1Hi8dCttF19X8CtnXIn3Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346387">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346388" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478270855"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Also, Trump may not have been followed as closely by journalists as he should have been ( despite the great stuff I see now although I did see some way back when):<br /> there is so much dreck surrounding him, they seem to have let some pass as they move on to the next piece of crap, hoping desperately to find more brightly shining crap to write about/ report on. AND there are loads of it.</p></blockquote> <p>A couple of points here. One, a lot of Trump's scandalous behavior involves sex, one way or another. Sex sells. There is a reason why so many beer ads feature babes in bikinis. It's one of the things that titillated so much of the American public during Bill Clinton's presidency (especially the hypocrisy of "family values" Congressmen arguing for Clinton's impeachment over a consensual extramarital affair while themselves being engaged in extramarital affairs). Trump's history (cheating with eventual wife #2 while married to wife #1, and subsequently cheating with eventual wife #3 while married to wife #2) was at least partially known.</p> <p>Furthermore, Trump is a New Yorker, and a large fraction of the national press in the US is based in New York. This obviously includes the New York Times, but also the Big Three networks, Fox News, and MSNBC. (I'm not sure if CNN runs out of Atlanta or New York.) These people know Trump better than most Americans know Trump, and most New Yorkers in those circles hate Trump.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346388&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eLaUDpcP8nrkRL2GgnmhyX1iaXYzwmF5wgzVnM82G14"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346388">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346389" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478276448"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My main concern is that people tell polls one thing, then go do another.</p> <p>It was found after the fact, that a fair few people who claimed to be Remain in the EU, actually voted Brexit on the day.</p> <p>Just to shake things up!</p> <p>Then bitterly regretted it.</p> <p>And Brexit isn't near as bad as Trump as president.</p> <p>C'mon USA, you are winning, carry on winning.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346389&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bq2xLWGHDS9WOlRgbImiVkwlFbjvL4donx-5w7iPiko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay Onit (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346389">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346390" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478276972"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Eric Lund @78: There's also the issue that Trump regularly encourages the people at his rallies to rage at specific members of the media covering his campaign. At least one reported for NBC has to have Secret Service protection to get in and out of those events safely.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346390&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Q8ET_1fhhVXtBHyXtZUcqnyQc4lD7xWlVfQFQ_7yvck"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346390">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346391" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478290122"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Speaking of disgraces, I see that the Dachelbot is <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/11/rabbi-handler-on-vaccines-politics-and-the-autism-holocaust.html">singing praises</a> of... <a href="http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2013/05/only-the-top-haredi-rabbis-can-decide-whether-child-sexual-abuse-should-be-reported-to-police-neture-123.html">Hillel Handler</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346391&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wdf4AYOE7ED3barTYqmVdOlboyBlmifht3mHKjRqFbg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346391">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346392" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478291364"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^ <a href="http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/02/weingarten-supporters-explain-why-they-say-convicted-child-rapist-rabbi-israel-weingarten-is-innocent-123.html">More Handler</a>. Yup, children are property.</p> <p>FREEDOM!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346392&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9H8N0fNVcMLgWI0UbUIUmZX9kCtMox01_SxabL_LE80"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346392">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346393" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478295365"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/02/haredi-rabbis-defending-a-convicted-child-rapist-on-zev-brenner-tonight-789.html#comment-6a00d83451b71f69e20148c865a8be970c">For completeness</a>. Way past Yazbak territory.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346393&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dFBOHyFXBOImIaPrwXnuP0kc9Wv4EDRCQWpbG_L-M-I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346393">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346394" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478319715"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Hillel Handler</i><br /> Another victim of nominal determinism.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346394&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="s-Sz9Ksjbkr6RtqTCabL8gt0OIkvPt1twV8lFGjSHc4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346394">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346395" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478333206"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>quite a few pro vax liars around these parts.</p> <p>Dr. Verstraeten [CDC], pg. 40: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders</p> <p>Dr. Verstraeten [CDC], pg. 44: “Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”</p> <p>Dr. Verstraeten [CDC], pg. 76: “What I have done here, I am putting into the model instead of mercury, a number of antigens that the children received, and what do we get? Not surprisingly, we get very similar estimates as what we got for Thimerosal because every vaccine put in the equation has Thimerosal. So for speech and the other ones maybe it’s not so significant, but for the overall group it is also significant….Here we have the same thing, but instead of number of antigens, number of shots. Just the number of vaccinations given to a child, which is also for nearly all of them significantly related.”</p> <p>Dr. Guess, pg. 77: "So this essentially is a 7% risk per antigen, an antigen is like in DPT you've got three antigens."</p> <p>Dr. Verstraeten [CDC], pg. 77: "Correct."</p> <p>Dr. Egan, pg. 77: "Could you do this calculation for aluminum?"</p> <p>Dr. Verstraeten [CDC], pg. 77: "I did it for aluminum…Actually the results were almost identical to ethylmercury because the amount of aluminum goes along almost exactly with the mercury one."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346395&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="g4tZxfeDM8XOnISM5VrFyC2RR7c9Fu3KED8NI2VEWe0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">M.L.K. (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346395">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346396" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478338653"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>My main concern is that people tell polls one thing, then go do another.</p></blockquote> <p>Of course this is just speculation until the votes are counted, but this is more likely to work in Clinton's favor than Trump's. My suspicion is that many women whose husbands/boyfriends are Trump supporters may be reluctant to say out loud, where their husbands/boyfriends can hear, that they plan to vote for Clinton. They may fear (and in many cases this fear is reasonable) retribution for voicing such opinions. Not all Trump supporters are violent types, but enough are that there are likely to be households where this dynamic is going on.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346396&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="goVCOYk4gsZPir9rCCBixfkCbHrLEp0TQMIC_heNlDI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346396">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346397" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478341889"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Eric Lund:</p> <p>Right. And sex scandals continue apace.</p> <p>What I'm rather pleased about is that ( FINALLY!) his business operations, tax issues, university/ foundation shenanigans, *interesting* supporters, vendetti/ vendettas and other acts of interpersonal warfare are being exposed over the liberal airwaves, press and on the net. His tweets provide readers with insight into how his mind works. I just hope it's enough to stop the red tide.</p> <p>At ant rate, I'm been watching your state anxiously: what do you think?</p> <p>During the primaries, he talked about carrying NY- which I found hilarious. Yeah, they hate him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346397&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XROWh2QjA8OCZfQVLVVbyou57wn0Q27oqIr59K4Dlxw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346397">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346398" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478343044"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ JustaTech:</p> <p>Yes, this is very disturbing. </p> <p>Interestingly, because I've observed alt media for years, I'm familiar with the cult of anti-professionalism and anti-institutionalism common on alt med sites. It was refreshing to hear IIRC David Frumm discuss the same ideas from his own perspective on Maher's show yesterday.<br /> Wow! I agree with him on something!</p> <p>Outsider cults despise the mainstream media because it has the cacpacity to shatter their cherished mythology with data and facts and then circulate that information quickly and efficiently.<br /> - If you were a woo-meister selling a cancer cure or<br /> - if you had a end times scenario or<br /> - if you had a FEMA camps story or<br /> - new insider material from the FBI-<br /> I doubt that you would appreciate the work of reporters digging into your field of dreams and exposing the tall tales you are currently harvesting.</p> <p>Thus, the Orange One as well as woo-meisters hate the media and would shut it down if they could.<br /> It's happened before you know.</p> <p>I just scared myself there.</p> <p>As an aside:<br /> Mikey has cranked up the crazy to eleven teen ( Natural News)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346398&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fBcGCIPD4WrE1xlzF8F-0XA1WnTvDKDcTQA9ayPH3HU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346398">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346399" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478343249"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Narad:</p> <p>Yeah, they would go with that.<br /> Dan continues with his usual insight.</p> <p>-btw- Quelle celebration in your town. Woo hoo.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346399&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-3Nt3azDqJ0_-UVddEJHKpsXnTCVzYI5k4qr6unpDDM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346399">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346400" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478343941"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Corrections;<br /> AN end times<br /> CAPACITY<br /> HATES<br /> etc.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346400&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PUvzXxhJx7uts59IMNGiSXa95j0_lFvEZWL6Aa4f5DE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346400">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346401" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478348738"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Quelle celebration in your town. Woo hoo.</p></blockquote> <p>I'm happier for my Dad (his work used to take him to Wrigley, and he introduced me to Ernie Banks when I was around 5). I do wish that Ron Santo had been here to see it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346401&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ASLB4tnfxt8REE-OkgWguCgPAKwPnIj1T99NDewVPF4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346401">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346402" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478353450"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Dan continues with his usual insight.</p></blockquote> <p>I see that he's made his taxonomic/phylogenetic idiocy even worse: "Some of those patients two years ago tested positive for EV-68, a virus in the same enterovirus family as polio...."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346402&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZFYiANWQF-OutbjZcVDR0PSzHkNLcmZ9nn_Nas17h8Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346402">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346403" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478364883"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As moon landing hoax debunker S. G. Collins has observed, there really are conspiracies, just not the ones you think...</p> <p>And we now appear to have a conspiracy to 'rig' a presidential election – well, interfere in it anyway – AGAINST Hillary Clinton and in favor of Donald Trump. </p> <p>It's starts with hedge fund billionaire Robert Mercer, the major $$ source for alt.right website Breitbart.Com hater of all things Hillary, and now the major supplier of bankroll for the Trump campaign (Donald never spends his own money). ALL of the Trump campaign's honchos – Kellyanne Conway, Steve Bannon, and long-time full-time anti-Clinton CT propagandist David Bossie – are former employees of Mercer-backed groups. Last year, Breitbart writer Peter Schweizer published a dubious hit-book on the Clinton Foundation and HRC as Secy of State, titled <i>Clinton Cash</i> and Schwiezer produced and distributed a documentary film version. </p> <p>Long before he entered the Trump camp, Rudy Giuliani was in the hate-hate-hate-HRC camp (she defeated him for the Senate). One of Giuliani's old buddies is NY conservative LEO circles a guy named James Kallstrom, a former Assistant Director of the FBI who headed the NYC office of the Bureau. Remember when reporters uncovered that Trump's promised $1 million donation to veterans groups after he skipped one of the primary debates hadn't been paid, and Trump was forced to cut a check in short order? The $1 mil went entirely to a nonprofit run by Kallstrom, a deal likely brokered by Giuliani. Kallstrom subsequently endorsed Trump. </p> <blockquote><p> Two days before FBI director James Comey rocked the world last week, Rudy Giuliani was on Fox, where he volunteered, un-prodded by any question: “I think he’s [Donald Trump] got a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next few days. I mean, I’m talking about some pretty big surprises.” Pressed for specifics, he said: “We’ve got a couple of things up our sleeve that should turn this thing around.”[Daily Beast]</p></blockquote> <p>The day Comey's letter appeared, Rudy stated:</p> <blockquote><p>“The other rumor that I get is that there’s a kind of revolution going on inside the FBI about the original conclusion [not to charge Clinton] being completely unjustified and almost a slap in the face to the FBI’s integrity. I know that from former agents.</p></blockquote> <p>Last week, Kallstom appeared on an NYC radio talk show, saying, "“The Clintons, that’s a crime family, basically, It’s like organized crime. I mean the Clinton Foundation is a cesspool.” he also called HRC a pathological liar. This story was given major play on Breitbart. Various media outlets also reported rumors last week that the NYC FBI office wasn't just investigating the emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer, but that agents there had been pushing for a larger investigation of The Clinton Foundation, and were frustrated when their superiors in the Justice Department nixed the request. Then it was reported that the 'evidence' that fueled these agents' concerns was <i>Clinton Cash</i>.</p> <p>Presumably, some of those agents seeking to go after the Clintons worked under Kallstrom, may have been selected/promoted/mentored by him, and remain close to him. Thus, Giulinai's early knowledge of what was in the Comey letter was probably a leak from an active agent to Kallstrom and then to Rudy, which Giuliani essentially confirmed to Chris Mathews yesterday (wo mentioning Kallstrom by name). IANAL etc., but that alone would seem to be a violation of The Hatch Act by the Kallstrom-crony NYC "FBI cell". </p> <p>The more-or-less obvious question is 'what communication or influence went the the direction, from Giuliani and the Trump campaign, through Kallstrom, to the active FBI agents who wanted to use <i>Clinton Cash</i> as a blueprint for investigating HRC?' (Do I have to tell you that the allegations in <i>Clinton Cash</i> are essentially a disreputable CT? Can you say. 'CDC Whistleblower'? I knew that you could.) On the Matthews show, Rudy denied any knowledge or involvement other than receiving a tip from "former agents". Credible? To use one of The Donald's stock phrases, "I don't think so!" Giuliani had said, "We’ve got a couple of things up our sleeve that should turn this thing around." Then he had issued a smug self-satisifed grin that burst into a cackle.</p> <p>So basically, what we have here is a damn good possibility/probability that Rudy had Trump funnel $1 mil (of Schweizer's $$, probably) to Jim Kallstrom, who – his existing antimus thus prodded to action – then lobbied his cronies in the NYC "FBI cell" to use "debunked, Breitbart-funded bullshit from that dumb <i>Clinton Cash</i> book" [Wonkette] to gin up a fresh investigation into HRC. The players would know that regardless of whether Comey scotched it or not, they could leak the details shortly before the election, the 'Crooked Hillary IS going to jail' rumors would dominate the news cycle, and any investigative expose into Giuliani and Kallstrom's machinations wouldn't get serious play in the MSM until sometime after the votes were in. </p> <p>If that is the case, the FBI "cell" didn't just dangle a few toes across the line of The Hatch Act. Noting the Trumpers glee and jokes at the damage done to Clinton, the Wonkette piece ends, "Haha, attempted coups are HILARIOUS." A Haaretz headline refers to "The Conspiracy Theory About the FBI Putsch Against Clinton and Democracy" apparently mockingly, but the article underneath, while considering the proposition to be unproven conjecture, actually takes it pretty seriously:</p> <blockquote><p>If the conspiracy theory is even partially true, it’s nothing less than a sinister effort by rogue agents to undermine the elections process. Comey, in this scenario, isn’t out to sway the elections but is trying to maneuver between the politics outside the Bureau and the rebellious agents inside. If it’s even partially true, it is an unprecedented assault by an actual law enforcement agency against American democracy, which immediately brings to mind the dirty tricks and manipulations conducted against political enemies by the late FBI Director J Edgar Hoover. But even Hoover will seem like small fry if the plot succeeds, and Trump is elected. America, in that case, will never be the same.</p></blockquote> <p>BUT WAIT, THERE COULD BE MORE!<br /> Haaretz says the conspiracy scenario reeks of a combination of John Le Carre and Inspector Clouseau. Speaking of Le Carre... No journalist as yet, AFAIK has suggested any of this was coordinated with the Putin/FSB-KGB anti-Clinton/pro-Trump hacking. But, really, at this point, who would be all that surprised?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346403&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T3BSeeZ2Es0C6ZjokaSuTL2ncAfmXRMF7SYIUtAxAOc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346403">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346404" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478365245"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>ERRATUM:<br /> If/when the comment i just posted emerges from moderation, I made two cut and paste errors, substituting 'Schweizer' where it should have read "Mercer' It was Mercer who funded/produced the documentary film version of Schweizer's book <i>Clinton Cash</i>, and Mercer who is likely the source of of the $1 million dollars Trump 'donated' to James Kallstrom's 'charity'. Apologies.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346404&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="F1oiwH5Qt25drv5qqZJi40PD5deDMftbbHXQEzEvIjQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346404">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346405" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478369770"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I hope all of you have been out shopping for the ten emergency preparedness items Mike Adams has warned that we will need following the inevitable Trump landslide victory on Tuesday.</p> <p>Disappointing though that the NN store only offers two of those items and not even the essential stuff like guns, ammo and a door security bar (to keep crazed zombie leftist mobs at bay).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346405&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jbzEtZ-q1C4ZyCEEk4b8oot0Nw5Ybc7mqdJZnFL1suo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346405">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346406" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478371700"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, wow, this D'Ohlmsted piece is blazing with irony. Get this from Mr. "Reversal [<i>sic</i>]Axonal Transport":</p> <blockquote><p>The HuffPo story is written by someone passingly familiar with medical issues</p></blockquote> <p>It just gets better: "greasy nothingburger of causation gibberish," "how do you sit at your laptop and write soulless dreck like that?"</p> <p>Mirrors, Danny Boy. Use them.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346406&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CRmXczbb9i5IR8glUL4eQHM7BvyXHjJRVXYcayJFVGo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346406">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346407" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478372995"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jeezums:</p> <blockquote><p>It’s not that raspberries cause paralysis or that these two facts prove causation. But it makes me want to keep looking. That <b>small round buckyball sphere</b> is just perfect for conveying more than its share of toxic agricultural chemical per mouthful. If you were to pick an advance warning system that our food might be awash in manmade impurities creating a terrifying new disease, a humble little raspberry might be an ideal contrivance. It has <b>more surface area than Norway has shoreline</b> and it is damnably hard to keep sterile.</p></blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346407&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hrm4viPgSKVJQBlL-ZaTv01SLBHs_1u4VEWO_RFgIeE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346407">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346408" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478375200"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Narad have just been reading the comments in the links you posted, these are some serious damaged people:</p> <p><i>"Since that time many experts and dumb people (the same?) have altered the science of mercury so that of all the toxic, mutagenic, teratogenic and carcinogenic properties of mercury compounds, THIMEROSAL almost alone is no more toxic than lemon juice. Will someone tell them you are ENTITLED to your OPINIONS but you can change FACTS.</i></p> <p>How does that guy put one foot in front of the other?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346408&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="c6aCi2vVYDRFOOvRUTNu9f5uLkqpI76yBEtxrNWi2DY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346408">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346409" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478438100"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Narad:<br /> Yes, that phrase "more surface area than Norway has shoreline" stuck out to me as well. Heh heh.</p> <p>Oddly enough, one of the woo-meisters I survey believes that<br /> berries- especially red ones- may be our salvation creating prefect health.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346409&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GFmgKFERosBesEGGv4jvc6yOgSmLhplv39RzGS3bGUs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 06 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346409">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346410" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478439340"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ sadmar:</p> <p>It is becoming like one of those television intrigue shows ( which I don't watch) where after a season or two, the writers run out of material and need to start *reaching* to create drama and tension or have to bring in a billionaire family...<br /> BUT this is REAL!</p> <p>What I heard recently is that the Russians ( around the time the Donald dissed the Khan family) pulled away from him because they thought he was too unstable!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346410&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="F5iJGYXHUTvyoGPJijvrPFrA5e6r-IdInEWuI4Xn8zA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 06 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346410">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346411" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478440027"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Dangerous Bacon:</p> <p>Oh Dangerous One ! ( I bow appropriately to you)</p> <p>Mikey is now predicting a landslide for the Donald followed by an intervention in the form of a false flag attack by Obama to deny him victory.</p> <p>My theory about Mikey's love for Trump and alt right memes is that:<br /> - he's had a downturn in business ( see Alexa ratings for this past year)<br /> - he's trying to attract the attention of gullible people who believe Alex Jones et al<br /> - he hopes to please them so that they might purchase his products<br /> - he might actually admire Trump's business 'acumen'. </p> <p>The Other Idiot ( prn.fm) spews similar anti-professionalism/ institutionalism but supports Stein.<br /> I believe he has similar motives - he wants business for his products and films. Electing Trump would result in lower taxes for high earners like these guys.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346411&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xParRoA0pisdp4lcQAkSFVm5Mny2fb7GurGuwGP9eqA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 06 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346411">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346412" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478440994"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It should be noted:</p> <p>although I am rather enjoying my secondary career, I find that the political commentary I encounter through that connection is often enough to make my head spin ( not literally, fortunately). It is endless.</p> <p>As I advised my fellow and sister Oracians recently,<br /> I will again say:<br /> we all need to take a few deep breaths,<br /> sit down in a comfy chair<br /> have a drink or two ( a Negroni is nice)<br /> and say, " This too shall pass"</p> <p>In a few days, we'll have a new president elect and probably a few new scandals and investigations which will give us something to watch on television and talk about;<br /> it will give political wonks and analysts something to do<br /> it will give writers stories to explain<br /> Comedians will be in high heaven.<br /> IT WILL CREATE JOBS**</p> <p>** my late father always said that when something he hated occurred: "At least, it will create jobs".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346412&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="38Npd_r0TEndldLRJFJet2Y2DztFWCUqd9WkPnKT_48"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 06 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346412">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346413" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478449203"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^^ The internally self-consistant ravings of a lunatic mind.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346413&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="f35FjtI4M60puOwIVnXV2ZfyngN_l0sR3sw7VCeNKMQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sullenbode (not verified)</span> on 06 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346413">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346414" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478884520"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You don't know what you're talking about.</p> <p>Current vaccine studies are "tobacco science". Don't look at the studies, do your own homework. Talk to ER nurses about kids being brought in after being vaccinated. Talk to the parents of autistic children injured within hours of the vaccine shot - permanent brain damage.</p> <p>The numbers are a lot higher than anyone wants to admit. Conventional medicine is in denial, but the problem is not going away. Something we're doing is obviously behind the alarming rates of autism. The current vaccines need to be overhauled ASAP. Vaccine schedule changed at a minimum. 1 in 50 kids is like 1,000,000 kids in a short space of time. This is an epidemic. Its there to see if people just look for themselves.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346414&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-BONxSQ8X4GO9K5BLjW_8geKsn6YlZoiAgUy3KsJXMs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">RJ (not verified)</span> on 11 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346414">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346415" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1478892608"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>RJ, until you have actual PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers then you will just have a bunch of unverified anecdotes.</p> <p>The biggest elephant in the room you keep leaving out is when the DSM IV came out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346415&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HxxYMRxvYKu8pZ7J7v73-LNQ1Oqt8PIC5rGs6Bx1nlY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 11 Nov 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346415">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346416" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482081400"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is there some kind of church or temple you go to for all of this vaccine worship? I have been on this site before. It is an extremely bias site for people looking to enforce their overly enthusiastic opinion of vaccines. If you learn the CDC isn't revisiting any of Dr. Thorsen's work, sceinceblogs will say something like "apparently antivaxxers don't know the difference between financial fraud and scientific fraud". You can't even acknowledge a criminal like Thorsen. You make insane arguments like comparing the mercury in Thimerosal to eating a can of tuna. Any rational person wouldn't make that argument considering the enormous difference between ingestion and injection of toxins (even if babies did eat cans of tuna fish). You act as though Dr. Thompson was taken out of context, when you can search Thompson full audio and listen to him talk for nearly 3 hours on the corruption at the CDC and the dangers of Thimerosal. To you, that's probably like a religious fanatic being handed a fossil. I am baffled by this site. It really makes me think you are followed by some bizarre cult of vaccine worshipers who lose their minds when anyone dares to question a vaccine, Merck or the CDC.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346416&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UI8Bb8bsgtzOVBsgKdXaP1_8_hKqJS5Pgfa3X_AMKYo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 18 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346416">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346417" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482100255"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hello, jasry16, you would be taken seriously if you would answer a few questions:</p> <p>1. Please post the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers that show any vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule causes more harm than the disease. Measles causes encephalitis in one out of a thousand cases, and death (often from pneumonia) in about one or two in a thousand cases.</p> <p>2. What vaccine paper was Thorsen the main author of? And how does his financial shenanigans affect the dozens of other vaccine studies that show no real relationship between vaccines in autism? Explain how he influenced the papers used in the meta-study: <a href="http://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/vaccines-are-not-associated-with-autism.pdf">Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies</a> (a pdf of the uncorrected proof).</p> <p>3. Thompson... what does thimerosal have to do with the MMR vaccine? The MMR vaccine has never contained it, and that is the vaccine which is what the retracted Hooker paper was about.</p> <p>4. Speaking of thimerosal, please tell us which vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule is <b>only</b> available with thimerosal.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346417&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mrBu90LfkFHvGmU6uuJ-snHKWjlagEqWBrm7qW4dFCs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 18 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346417">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346421" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482166500"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>1. The MMR can cause encephalitis. It says it right on the insert. (This is where you say "Antivaxxers don't trust Merck. But, yet they place a lot of faith in their inserts. DERP!")<br /> 2. Thorsen was the main author on 2 Thimerosal studies including the easily debunked Danish study. But, he was involved in 21 CDC Thimerosal studies. I'm not going to answer your question about how being a financial criminal makes him untrustworthy to do scientific research where he is getting grant money from Merck. I'll just say thank you for proving my point.<br /> 3. When did I ever say Thimerosal was in the MMR? I didn't. I know full well it can't be in the MMR because MMR is a live virus, and mercury destroys everything in its path (including the brain and nervous system). But, if you listen to Dr. Thompson (full audio), he has plenty of negative things to say about Thimerosal.<br /> 4. It is in the flu vaccine that they began pushing on pregnant women as of 2002 just as it was being reduced or removed from other vaccines. </p> <p>Why won't they study the Amish population in a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study? 40% never vaccinate. The ones that do only acknowledge that they have received at least one vaccine. It's strange how the CDC uses different criteria to count the vaccinating Amish. If my kid misses any of the 31 shots by age 18 months, I'm and "antivaxxer"</p> <p>Not sure why you're so focused on PubMed. It's not the most reputable source. But, here are some.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346421&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2FgRFAyBq3oOJJXRjbBMq-xcIs9fD8a9BC45EWdcx2s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346421">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346417#comment-1346417" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346422" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482166783"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535</a><br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16807526">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16807526</a><br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15795695">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15795695</a><br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883</a><br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092</a> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681</a> <a href="http://longevitypost.com/absolute-proof-vaccines-harmful/">http://longevitypost.com/absolute-proof-vaccines-harmful/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346422&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fgNG6Ak_LAp-FFOSQC4pQWRwFejzysdarzpdMs7OkIE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346422">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346417#comment-1346417" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346418" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482132098"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Can someone supply me the quote(s) in which Thompson allegedly accuses his fellow CDC researchers of "corruption" and/or "fraud"?</p> <p>In his official statement released by his attorney such accusations are never made.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346418&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="edUVVglZwA87rfLGQWG_8uJaSZxVG2rLH_HoWs3bGOA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346418">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346419" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482164633"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Search Dr. Thompson full audio. It is the unedited phone conversations. Nearly 3 hours. In those conversations, he discusses how the CDC knows that Thimerosal causes tics which, as he says, are 4 times more prevalent in children with autism. He discusses a study called SEED. Despite the CDC having all vaccination records of the subjects in this study (including prenatal), they are excluding them from the study. He says the CDC shouldn't have authorized the flu vaccine for pregnant women. There is a lot in there. The emails he released related to the MMR study clearly implicate his superiors. I'd say listen to that, and form your own objective opinion. Vaccine worship sites like this one and skepticalraptor would never advise that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346419&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ek7opAGekIgjVOnBZvs7yPH3_-UPKUPmV2WQJMs5jNU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346419">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346418#comment-1346418" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346420" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482165806"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Perhaps you'd provide the actual quotes.....</p> <p>But I don't believe you are capable of doing that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346420&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ISriruHdt6PCD4wK0NSyM-MT9_22gJEBo8vFA2J-TRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346420">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346423" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482167038"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You mean like when he says mercury in Thimerosal causes autism-like features? Why would I waste my time? If you are really interested in hearing what he has to say, go on you tube and search Dr. Thompson full audio. Then, you can grab whatever quotes you want from him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346423&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="g_JMxWqQ21NC3lRTYvmF-EL_yQ0GijbXoPruhXic3go"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346423">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346420#comment-1346420" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346424" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482167924"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 @117: Something tell me you wouldn't like the results of studying the Amish, giving their shockingly high rate of genetic disorders totally unknown in the larger American population.</p> <p>Also, this is important, what is the RATE of encephalitis caused by the MMR, compared to the RATE of encephalitis caused by measles? That's what's important, the RATE.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346424&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qSm-kmbWo_SYC2nF6jGzA7HLCwNd_dKSRb-1B_3a_vk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346424">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346425" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482169641"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Something tells me you wouldn't like the autism rates among the Amish. I have my opinions. But, I don't get upset when they're proven wrong. Sites like this one are really more about winning the argument than having a meaningful discussion. I don't view the kids who are injured by vaccination as collateral damage. If the vaccine court that ruled on Hannah Polling's case is correct, the vaccines triggered her autism because she had a mitochondrial disorder. This was also confirmed by former CDC Director Dr. Gerberding in her interview with Sanjay Gupta. So, why not research mitochondrial disorder and learn how to identify it? Why continue this ever growing one size fits all vaccine schedule that is more demanding than any other country? It isn't really working. We have one of the highest infant mortality rates of any developed country.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346425&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Qki0j2AIliPtjTeKl9kuS8qK3OUNzC4kWNvZMRWikfE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346425">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346424#comment-1346424" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346426" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482170377"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 @123<br /> Mitochondrial disorders are being studied all the time. They are not autism. They are frequently fatal. People with mitochondrial disorders are at high risk of severe effects from any infection, regardless of how it is acquired.</p> <p>The USA's suggested vaccination schedule is not "more demanding" than anywhere else in the world, given that we do not give BCG (which works to prevent TB of the brain in children, but does not work against any other form of TB), or yellow fever vaccine, or oral polio vaccine. There are plenty of vaccines that are not given in the US to children on a routine basis. And as soon as polio is confirmed eliminated then we can stop vaccinating against that too.</p> <p>The infant mortality rate in the US is unacceptably high, primarily due to poor pre-natal care, maternal co-morbidities (diseases or conditions the mother had during pregnancy) and, importantly, how "live birth" is defined in the US. Some deaths that in the US are counted towards infant mortality in countries like Spain are counted as stillbirths or miscarriages.</p> <p>So, which diseases do you think that children should be vaccinated against? Tetanus? Polio?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346426&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eiykuqztFuhn5Pw2fdabPHqoMt_UzA4oIFUTDG7aztM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346426">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346435" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482218108"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Polio? No. It was wiped out due to better hygiene. Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted the early vaccine was contaminated with SV40 from the monkey kidney that was used. This was confirmed by the CDC in 2013. The CDC says they aren't sure if SV40 causes cancer. But, Dr. Hilleman said it did.</p> <p>Measles? Yes. But, parents should be able to get it as separate vaccines. The fact that the option to get the MMR as 3 separate shots was taken away from parents shows where the true priority lies. There is currently a court case in PA involving 2 of the Merck scientists who have admitted they were ordered to lie to bring that vaccine to market. The Mumps part of the vaccine doesn't work at all.</p> <p>Hep B on the 1st day of life? Absolutely ridiculous. </p> <p>Gardasyl? As one of the 3 Merck whistleblowers stated, it was introduced as a way to recoup the losses Merck suffered from Vioxx. It shouldn't be given to an 11 year old girl. Mark my words. In a couple years, Merck will announce all of the kids who got it need booster shots for it to remain effective. Then, another 10 years down the road, they'll do it again. It's a scam. Japan has already linked it to chronic fatigue and ban it.</p> <p>Flu vaccine - Another money making scam. The insert says it should only be given to pregnant women if clearly needed. The one they give to pregnant women contains 25 mcg of mercury. </p> <p>Tetanus? Sure. If there is a need for it. If I step on a rusty nail, I'll get it. Otherwise, I'd be stupid to.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346435&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bj-8Pb2bcoJ5_bV1aSqQTdcGLINu9cBqbpwOELpmz0k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346435">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346426#comment-1346426" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346499" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482303339"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I never said mitochondrial disorders are autism. Watch the interview between Dr. Gerberding and Sanjay Gupta. Dr. Gerberding explains that Hannah likely had this disorder. The high fever that sometimes comes with vaccination could have triggered her "autism-like features". So, I'm guessing Hannah never had a fever before. Immediately after her 18 month well visit, she developed the fever that sent her into a regression. This is right around the same time as all of these parents in the vaxxed and hear this well videos saw their children regress. They show videos proving their children were developing normally prior. The kids are usually behind on the 31 shots they are supposed to get. So, at 18 months, the MMR is given in combination with a few other vaccines (something that is never studied). Anyway, I guess the important point here is that we can blame the fever. We can blame the kid for having this disorder. We just can't blame the vaccines.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346499&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l0DijI95_4ouB-yyxh22kxyHIUWprSZRP1CacNzJlRg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346499">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346426#comment-1346426" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346427" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482171278"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mercury does not cause "autism-like" symptoms.....and certainly mercury poisoning is not "autism" either.</p> <p>And yes, the US vaccine schedule is right in line with every other developed nation....and the Amish are riddled with development and genetic conditions, some so rare that they aren't seen in the general population at all....not exactly paragons of health.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346427&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="puDi_bZNv9UcgF3ldZ9tjp6y3FKK2ybUazfU_ba7m3k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346427">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346428" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482171610"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "1. The MMR can cause encephalitis. It says it right on the insert. (This is where you say “Antivaxxers don’t trust Merck. But, yet they place a lot of faith in their inserts. DERP!”)"</p> <p>I am sorry, that is not sufficient, package insert were not what was requested. Try reading the request again and providing the verifiable evidence. Make sure that the harm from the MMR vaccine is much more than from the disease. I really do not believe it causes encephalitis in one out of a thousand doses. Does someone need to tellyou the definition of the word "more"?</p> <p>1. Please post the <b>PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers&lt;/b? that show any vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule causes </b><b>more</b> harm than the disease. Measles causes encephalitis in one out of a thousand cases, and death (often from pneumonia) in about one or two in a thousand cases.</p> <p>Also the "whistleblower" bit about Thompson has to do with a study on <b>MMR</b> vaccine, which was not about thimerosal. His whining about thimerosal on one paper is more a case p-hacking, which is grabbing as much data as possible and focusing on one bit of data:<br /><a href="http://io9.gizmodo.com/i-fooled-millions-into-thinking-chocolate-helps-weight-1707251800">http://io9.gizmodo.com/i-fooled-millions-into-thinking-chocolate-helps-…</a></p> <p>"4. It is in the flu vaccine that they began pushing on pregnant women as of 2002 just as it was being reduced or removed from other vaccines. "</p> <p>Again, read the question again. By definition full grown adult <i>pregnant women</i> are not pediatric patients. The "present" is 2016 <b>not</b> 2002. And do please look up the highlighted words so that you may provide a cogent answer to the requested information:</p> <p>4. Speaking of thimerosal, please tell us which vaccine on the <b>present</b> American <b>pediatric</b> schedule is <b>only</b> available with thimerosal.</p> <p>I should add that you do not mention influenza, because three out of the seven available <b>do not</b> contain thimerosal. Also do not mention the Tripedia DTaP, because it was <b>discontinued</b> five years ago:<br /><a href="http://www.ashp.org/menu/DrugShortages/DrugsNoLongerAvailable/bulletin.aspx?id=764">http://www.ashp.org/menu/DrugShortages/DrugsNoLongerAvailable/bulletin…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346428&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rHYt2H0U3iPS1s2xIce-F28HzLaGFJkkfY50q81pg3I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346428">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346436" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482218796"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I already told you how you can listen to the full unedited conversations between Dr. Thompson and Dr. Hooker where he clearly states his belief that Thimerosal causes autism-like features and tics. So, you either 1. listened to it and are now trying to forget it. Or, 2. Refused to listen to it for fear it would challenge your faith. Which is it?</p> <p>Don't mention how the Tripedia DTaP listed autism under adverse events? Got it. I didn't know there was a 5 year threshold on what we can or can't discuss. I guess the Infanrex Hexa vaccine that an Italian court determined caused a child's autism isn't up for discussion either since that also happened more than 5 years ago. </p> <p>You also tell me not to mention influenza even though the vaccine they are currently giving to pregnant women contains Thimerosal. You sure set a lot of rules.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346436&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Isv5H7g3enHsVVqFtfJx7D1kuXcs906WnS_n28TNRWU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346436">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346428#comment-1346428" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346429" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482171841"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I need to clean up the bolding, because it seems jasryl6 is easily confused, and we need to make it as clear as possible.</p> <p>1. Please post the <b>PubMed indexed</b> studies by <b>reputable qualified</b> researchers that show any vaccine on the <b>present</b> American <b>pediatric</b> schedule causes <b>more</b> harm than the disease.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346429&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="umRc02RDKwKzBYgrwdVUGgLi3J7eeFgHvnknwfEKBxs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346429">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346430" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482172124"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: <i>I have been on this site before. It is an extremely bias site for people looking to enforce their overly enthusiastic opinion of vaccines.</i></p> <p>Not entirely. For me, it's a site to point and laugh at eejits and numpties.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346430&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wHZWTR4npQ-zSxtiLnuLIgNQOuwM850Ib3mj0KhH-hs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346430">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346431" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482172921"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "Something tells me you wouldn’t like the autism rates among the Amish. I have my opinions. But, I don’t get upset when they’re proven wrong."</p> <p>Actually we know all about the Amish, and their special set of genetics. They have a limited gene pool, so have a fairly significant set of inherited conditions like Maple Syrup Urine Disease and some other severe genetic seizure disorders. </p> <p>Here is a list of research papers from a clinic devoted to serving Amish children in Pennsylvania (it was completely missed by AoA's Dan Olmsted when he did "research" there):<br /><a href="https://clinicforspecialchildren.org/what-we-do/research/published-papers/">https://clinicforspecialchildren.org/what-we-do/research/published-pape…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346431&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aKJHLqIc9dzUo7zrYDy-nqbPhzKlDuB21bbkAx7mzgA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346431">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346432" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482175685"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>If the vaccine court that [<i>sic</i>] <b>ruled on</b> Hannah Polling’s case is correct</p></blockquote> <p>There isn't one. You need to work on your script.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346432&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0fk2rOBHbnaqfVBlruleaUs74B6mX-4koB4pCiTc-LU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346432">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346441" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482224615"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It is commonly referred to as "vaccine court". Is that the technical name? No. Who cares? It's whatever you want to call a specially designed court system that is based on making the vaccine manufacturers completely exempt from lawsuits and liability.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346441&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5yNnZrQJRDnFIEpe7DjzqxMILggY-ZbxPcMrKUZ1W8I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346441">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346432#comment-1346432" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346433" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482177489"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i> I have my opinions. </i></p> <p>Come back when you have some facts. Hint: repeating the no autism in the Amish myth immediately id's you as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's right up there with the thimerosal/MMR blunder.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346433&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pZM3Ndv_8nYwg35kUV6d88JveYwQxWUlFJ42ODPJc9c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay simmons (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346433">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346500" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482303491"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Are you telling me autism rates aren't much lower in the Amish communities? Please provide evidence of this. I have looked. I can't find it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346500&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qZQQahZVACdcG1pz6JKJ2Z6Q_nL4rFB71SeLQOXjOTs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346500">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346433#comment-1346433" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay simmons (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346434" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482197395"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 @115 (and on)(my emphasis)<br /></p><blockquote>You make insane arguments like comparing the mercury in Thimerosal to eating a can of tuna. Any rational person wouldn’t make that argument considering the enormous difference between ingestion and injection of toxins (<b>even if babies did eat cans of tuna fish</b>) </blockquote> <p>You don’t feed your children fish? I had toddler who did in fact eat whole cans of tuna for lunch – which means that, yes, I was more concerned about the mercury content consumed than the tiny amounts still in vaccines received. And guess what? Since that toddler made 4th grade honor roll last year it doesn’t seem as though any brain damage occurred anyway. Or maybe I should blame getting in trouble for throwing paper airplanes at fellow students during class on the tuna.</p> <blockquote><p>Not sure why you’re so focused on PubMed. It’s not the most reputable source. </p></blockquote> <p> Pubmed is a database, not a source.</p> <blockquote><p>If my kid misses any of the 31 shots by age 18 months, I’m and “antivaxxer” </p></blockquote> <p>No. That’s not it. You are identified as an antivaxxer due to your arguing on the internet against the use of vaccines.</p> <blockquote><p>Why continue this ever growing one size fits all vaccine schedule that is more demanding than any other country? It isn’t really working</p></blockquote> <p>A year ago I was on chicken pox watch, knowing my 4th grader had been exposed at school due to a fellow student’s vaccine failure. To my knowledge, patient zero at the school was the only who became ill. The vaccine protected all other kids. They are not experiencing waves of their classrooms emptied by infectious disease. The vaccine schedule <b> is</b> working. Deal with it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346434&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OMH21TeWl5FCtjON-WKSiBzxAGd-LJxgwnE0CphUEJE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chemmomo (not verified)</span> on 19 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346434">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346437" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482219709"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@jasryl6:</p> <blockquote><p>Polio? No. It was wiped out due to better hygiene.</p></blockquote> <p>Demonstrably False. Discussed on this blog already. Use the SEARCH box up top.</p> <blockquote><p>There is currently a court case in PA involving 2 of the Merck scientists who have admitted they were ordered to lie to bring that vaccine to market. The Mumps part of the vaccine doesn’t work at all.</p></blockquote> <p>Details required. What is the Court? And given that mumps has gone from a disease of childhood to a rarity, hogwash.</p> <blockquote><p>I already told you how you can listen to the full unedited conversations between Dr. Thompson and Dr. Hooker where he clearly states his belief that Thimerosal causes autism-like features and tics.</p></blockquote> <p>This has been discussed on this blog. It's abundantly clear that Thompson's words have been sliced and diced.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346437&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uV-AGzK4aaD090mR4n3NZaTsSJeDGHms9iCXYI4l9H8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346437">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346438" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482222890"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You'd think that someone familiar with the "full unedited conversations" between Thompson and Hooker would easily be able to cite the money quotes where Thompson accuses his colleagues of "corruption" or "fraud".</p> <p>Curious that jasryl6 is unable or unwilling to do so.</p> <p>On the other hand, I have no trouble finding an unambiguous statement from Thompson which not only features an absence of such accusations, but includes the following quote:</p> <p>"I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."</p> <p><a href="https://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/">https://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regardin…</a></p> <p>And as mistaken as Thompson has been about the significance of the data he wanted to be included in the relevant study, I seriously doubt he'd be doggedly ignorant enough to claim that polio was eliminated "due to better hygiene".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346438&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jjeCyOPRQQpE5mBQq7l4fMSdr_r3tf76_DBSSmUDjMg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346438">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346440" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482224232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Strange you would only find the same quote that has been repeated over and over on vaccine worship sites like this one. That quote is not from the recorded phone calls. That quote is from Dr. Thompson after the phone calls were made public and after the CDC gave him a raise and a retention bonus.</p> <p>Here are some quotes from the recorded conversation. No. They aren't taken out of context.</p> <p> “You know, in the United States, the only mercury containing vaccine is for pregnant women. I can say confidently I do think thimerosal causes tics (Tourette's syndrome). So I don't know why they still give it to pregnant women. Like that's the last person that I would give mercury to."</p> <p> “Thimerosal from vaccines cause tics."</p> <p> “Do you think a pregnant mother would want to take a vaccine that they know caused tics? Absolutely not! I would never give my wife a vaccine that I thought caused tics. I can say tics are four times more prevalent in kids with autism."</p> <p> "There is biologic plausibility right now to say that thimerosal causes autism-like features."</p> <p> “I have great shame now when I meet a family with kids with autism, because I have been a part of the problem."</p> <p> “I shoulder that the CDC has put the research ten years behind. Because the CDC has not been transparent, we've missed ten years of research, because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They're not doing what they should be doing. They are afraid to look for things that might be associated."</p> <p> “The higher ups wanted to do certain things and I went along with it. I was, in terms of chain in command, I was number four out of the five. Colleen was the Division Chief ... Frank is the Director of Immunization Safety. They are still all much more senior than me."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346440&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5KS1iP2VQMr-5aCnNoTzq51te2MSM_exLU4DSGeYIug"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346440">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346438#comment-1346438" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346439" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482223059"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I wonder what miracle of "hygiene" occurred in India over the past 10 years that allowed for the eradication of Polio in a nation with tens of millions of people without indoor toilets.....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346439&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8T2eDKTD-N751JKlSfuYBvof0ImOEKIb-7t3DWYaIz4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346439">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346442" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482226953"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lawrence@140 A good thing to wonder. But, I am gobsmacked at the idea that in the US before what? 1955 or so? That in the US, none of us knew how to wash our hands, or clean our houses, or scrub out our toilets. Apparently, we all went from playing in the cesspool to sitting at the dinner table, eating filthy food with our filthy hands.</p> <p>My youngest son has just been diagnosed with shingles. Unfortunately, he was born in 1968, so I didn't have the option of vaccination for chicken pox. I can only be grateful that most (not all) of my grandchildren and all of my great grandchildren escaped chicken pox and will escape the danger of having shingles.</p> <p>People who make stupid statements about polio are the ones I would wish into an iron lung for 24 hours (I'm merciful - I wouldn't make it more than a day), before I put them in Dara O'Briain's sack.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346442&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yg0NBjYSbCfN_L8mB6gokCodxjYYXCvoudtMGJihITM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ellie (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346442">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346443" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482227463"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thompson (a psychologist as I recall) can "think" all he likes that thiomeral causes tics and autism-like features.</p> <p>Snag is no evidence supports his "thinks" and pretty much nobody who actually knows anything about autism or tic disorders agrees with him...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346443&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jpU_7UtcOVIh-8FMOj0-89vfjCIuwdCtP3vB3P-1D7Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Murmur (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346443">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346467" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482252565"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Funny how all of the vaccine worshipers keep calling him a psychologist as if that was his only qualification. Up until he said things you don't want to hear, he was the CDC's lead Epidemiologist and Statistician. If you listen to the conversations between him and Dr. Hooker, he clearly says that he won't discuss anything he can't support with evidence. According to Thompson, the CDC is fully aware that Thimerosal causes tics and has known for some time. If you think he wasn't qualified to be such a high ranking member of the CDC, ask the CDC why they gave him a big raise and a $25,000 retention bonus to keep him employed there after this story broke. There is no benefit to the mercury being in any vaccine other than a financial benefit to Merck. Yet,, vaccine worshipers like you keep advocating injecting kids and pregnant women with it. That's pretty sick.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346467&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9bj2RQ1o6Vfpha8lWTCohokzXC3CJsCe1c2x0IvonQg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346467">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346443#comment-1346443" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Murmur (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346444" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482228281"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Tetanus? Sure. If there is a need for it. If I step on a rusty nail, I’ll get it. Otherwise, I’d be stupid to.</i></p> <p>Or a burn from the stove, or a scratch from the cat, or a cut at the pool, or........</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346444&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="R88SO_YAterjLGuEnd-Af9wl9UnEVoVIh6CmzWlY_cg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346444">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346468" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482252665"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>We will agree to disagree there. You don't need the shot for a burn on the stove. Merck would gladly to tell you that you need it for stubbing your toe if you were gullible enough to believe it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346468&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="x_p3FXsruGsBMnM9UMxpNo8BnnK8MUC67ZKkP-Q43nk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346468">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346444#comment-1346444" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346445" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482228461"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Ellie- or what "miracle of sanitation and hygiene" occurred in the US during the 1960s to see a precipitous drop in the incidence of measles......or what leap in hygiene led to the elimination of rubella in the Western Hemisphere....</p> <p>Or how about what happened in the US during the late 1980s and early 90's to see a 95% drop in the incidence of HiB?</p> <p>Also, more than 75% of all Flu vaccines manufactured today are in single dose vials....and when researchers were looking at Thimerosal back in 2002, they had trouble locating any vaccines for their study that did still contain it.</p> <p>These anti-vaxers just aren't going to let this go...just another example of them being part of a simple belief system &amp; not relying on any scientific data to support their views.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346445&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3WktrWAVBD4ftOd5RVVQu0rz6HY7L_swqCFuCogcBu4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346445">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346469" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482252862"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You can shout "antivaxxer" all you want. The Thimerosa-containing flu vaccine is still administered to pregnant women. I am positive of this. So, any vaccine worship site that says otherwise is lying.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346469&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="a2n1LBRhrmL_FR5HB05CaHm1LLGcza_joR7ZTDhOH5o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346469">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346445#comment-1346445" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346446" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482228609"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Ellie - I can totally sympathize. I am suffering through a bout of Shingles right now (luckily, I am on the tail end of it &amp; can sleep again).</p> <p>I would certainly have preferred to be vaccinated than to take the chance of Shingles - everything that people say about it - that it is some of the worst pain, is completely true.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346446&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t5WZ7Kw-3j5m06hMgTbd_GnGlmOffEp8bOq6CAuY8v8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346446">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346447" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482228896"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vaccine manufacturers aren't "exempt." They still have to get their vaccines approved through the exact same process as every other drug....only about 7% of new vaccines get approved - meaning hundreds of millions of dollars spent on R&amp;D results in very small returns, based on that low level of approval.</p> <p>Vaccine safety and efficacy is also tracked by multiple active and passive surveillance mechanisms, worldwide. </p> <p>Anti-vaxers just don't get it - and they certainly don't get science.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346447&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wLZ0Kp3j9A0UfWvcW_Ec_zODKTPb6Jjaofjsv0Yby1c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346447">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346470" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482253130"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from lawsuits, and it is highly profitable. They can't be sued, They don't need to advertise. It is the only product that the government can force people to buy. Why don't you look at how much Paul Offit pocketed after voting to add a vaccine to the schedule that he held the patent to. (Rotavirus). There's no conflict of interest there though. Right? Of course not. Not, when you're a vaccine worshiper.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346470&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CcObwFxPjjxsuREtNzF-BjpDxGWZB8qou2XTcKUHfRs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346470">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346447#comment-1346447" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346448" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482228927"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Or how about what happened in the US during the late 1980s and early 90’s to see a 95% drop in the incidence of HiB?</i></p> <p>Yes. It's funny how they never mention Hib.</p> <p>I have a friend who wears a locket around her neck, with the name of a little girl engraved upon it. My friend's mother was widowed in her late 30s. She remarried at 40 to a man with no children. The following year their only child together, a daughter, was born. Happy family. Until the little girl died, age 3, of Hib meningitis. This was prior to the vaccine.</p> <p>It's odd that these tools never mention Hib.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346448&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sWiidcQUUYOmcLIvnBA_K8fi2HDvmUrYcU8QJ_4E7OY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346448">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346471" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482253519"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>No it isn't odd. The Hib isn't one of the vaccines with serious safety concerns. Not all vaccines are bad. If the CDC and Merck just allowed parents to continue getting the MMR as 3 separate shots, there would be more kids being vaccinated for measles. Maybe we wouldn't have had those 250 measles cases in California that everyone lost their minds over. (zero deaths and a bunch of kids who got lifetime immunity). The mercury-containing flu shot shouldn't be given to pregnant women. Gardasyl is a dangerous vaccine that should have never been approved. While I'm sure there are some, most "antivaxxers" aren't against every vaccine. Sorry for your loss.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346471&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P-FaGJ91qtQGF3dsHcaLEjeEHoolkr3r3jmU3Grxc6w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346471">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346448#comment-1346448" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346449" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482231100"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, wow. The idiot post the Ginger's Gish Gallop of Gobbly Gook, plus a few others:<br /><a href="http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2016/05/124-research-papers-supporting-the-vaccineautism-linkor-not-.html">http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2016/05/124-research-paper…</a></p> <p> None of them show <b>more</b> harm from the vaccine than the disease. Most are from unqualified folks like the Geiers and DeLong. Hint: if someone has their medical license legally revoked they are not reputable, and if they are professor of <b>finance</b> they are not qualified.</p> <p>And no where has the fool answered this question, possibly because it requires him to actually think instead of cut and paste: </p> <p>4. Speaking of thimerosal, please tell us which vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule is only available with thimerosal.</p> <p>I should add that you do not mention influenza, because three out of the seven available do not contain thimerosal. Also do not mention the Tripedia DTaP, because it was discontinued five years ago:<br /><a href="http://www.ashp.org/menu/DrugShortages/DrugsNoLongerAvailable/bulletin.aspx?id=764">http://www.ashp.org/menu/DrugShortages/DrugsNoLongerAvailable/bulletin…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346449&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4_n04h5AK5cHFofkaaTAPwabHBWE6XWifTgxQ0f7C2E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346449">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346450" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482232206"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lawrence<br /> #146</p> <p>Do you have a source for the 7% figure? It's a great counter-argument to "The FDA is in the pocket of Big Pharma!!!!!"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346450&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_GG6AdZg-fKN7mT5_Pa0ZFAdO2qiaYOozSvIUURFpkg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">EmJay (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346450">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346451" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482234329"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Emjay - I have that source around here somewhere....I'll need to find it &amp; I'll post it up.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346451&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KDVy4AjealgrJ1rgopNxBDJO6PIA2o0KkIrryAR9McQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346451">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346452" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482234397"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Here is a good link to start on the entire approval process....</p> <p><a href="http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation">http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-t…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346452&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2Ka5YMH9unoVJmKW5ositqntZTqcPVqbNw0GGJvSF3A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346452">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346453" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482234522"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And another one:</p> <p><a href="http://www.who.int/immunization/programmes_systems/policies_strategies/vaccine_intro_resources/nvi_guidelines/en/">http://www.who.int/immunization/programmes_systems/policies_strategies/…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346453&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="T2oKnqS4wblZHHWkwO_IyWRckIEZTl5NRoES9ChP2bE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346453">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346454" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482234673"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1551949/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1551949/</a></p> <p>This one states that for everyone 1 vaccine that ultimately makes it through the approval process, 4 - 5 of them do not....not quite the 7% number I've seen, but it does support that most vaccines aren't approved.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346454&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1_mAsQR_IRJYZ73ao45yJwJXErxAJ_WmxU5Ply0I5Do"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346454">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346455" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482234798"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258101925_Vaccine_development_costs_A_review">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258101925_Vaccine_development_…</a></p> <p>I have requested the full text....more great stuff.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346455&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-E4I29yjnnpcGq5DIGAlTjdow0bTklvW-NgVjP5UFI0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346455">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346456" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482237563"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><blockquote>There is currently a court case in PA involving 2 of the Merck scientists who have admitted they were ordered to lie to bring that vaccine to market. The Mumps part of the vaccine doesn’t work at all.</blockquote> <p>Details required. What is the Court?</p></blockquote> <p>That's Krahling &amp; Wlochowski's qui tam action under the False Claims Act. Maybe I'll look up the docket after I've had coffee. Their assertion is not that "the Mumps part of the vaccine doesn't work at all."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346456&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E2lafdDA_hCzxJLGgLL8CoW9X39QITun5LZ6m4iKMaE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346456">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346457" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482238058"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><blockquote> <blockquote>If the vaccine court that [sic] <b>ruled on</b> Hannah Polling’s case is correct</blockquote> <p>There isn’t one. You need to work on your script.</p></blockquote> <p>It is commonly referred to as “vaccine court”. Is that the technical name? No. Who cares?</p></blockquote> <p>Please try to read more carefully. See the boldfaced words? There was no "ruling" in the Poling case – it was <i>conceded</i>. The only thing the court really did was sign off on the agreement.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346457&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XePFTQPi56N0Y9AkMGU_SzJsgSOxpALkLbGF3ZmNbTU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346457">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346458" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482239100"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Thompson (a psychologist as I recall) can “think” all he likes that thiomeral causes tics and autism-like features.</p></blockquote> <p>In fact, in the recorded calls, he attempted to dissuade Hooker from going after the autism angle and instead using the tics paper as the thin edge of the wedge. Matt Carey goes through this at LB/RB as I recall, if someone wants to look it up for me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346458&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_Gym-4CO7kjteLeh_9AVr2zVaWwA77BpxLoo2gPYGog"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346458">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346459" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482241460"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Narad, I could not find it at LB/RB, but I found Orac covered it:<br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/08/05/the-cdc-whistleblower-william-thompson-appears-to-have-gone-full-antivaccine/">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/08/05/the-cdc-whistleblower-will…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346459&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SMww5bK9xjR3rC0ddpuc8-jwlczo9l8UhXjC32cYKkc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346459">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346460" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482242046"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Please try to read more carefully. </i><br /> jasryl6 believes (or pretends to believe) that Tourette tics and autism are interchangeable. I begin to suspect that jasryl6 doesn't really care about autism (or about reality in general).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346460&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="30OXHBDEipxIUsHQOXbwzZsIeANyCAYEsz-kav8cKeY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346460">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346501" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482304383"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Actually, rather than go back and listen to 3 hours of recorded conversation to pick out quotes, I took those quotes from Ben Swann Truth in Media. The quotes are accurate. Talk about cherry picking! You have nothing to say about all of those quotes from Dr. Thompson. Instead, you focus on one word that you can argue about. This is exactly what I mean when I say "vaccine worship". You can't even allow yourselves to question them.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346501&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BqPL2n_4F-urtnlS9P62Rwu4EnQjWRG8pinwiJ6e1bs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346501">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346460#comment-1346460" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346461" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482243749"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I could not find it at LB/RB, but I found Orac covered it</p></blockquote> <p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=HqhbCgAAQBAJ&amp;lpg=PT32&amp;pg=PT32#v=onepage&amp;f=false">Here</a> is the relevant section from Barry's book.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346461&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XUGSebInLGFFRSyEWFqhILciUabuld-UghBVQXuy4fk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346461">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346462" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482244961"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Denice:</p> <p>Yeah, we're about an hour from Portland, and a car and a license would definitely be nice to have.</p> <p>There is a train, though. I've thought about taking it into Portland for a day and a night or so just for the sake of getting out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346462&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-Ocb7whIqGcW7aXhhEWNiy7uS_Y_9XuKs5jnaRHF0WI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346462">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346463" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482245094"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wrong thread...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346463&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mynqIpXSqBDVBLzM2DU2UluwxXyi8U_ITT33GOIwJdw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346463">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346464" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482245364"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks, Narad. And still the minor increase in tics was just random, just like the deliberate p-hacking in the "eating chocolate helps with weight loss." You take a small number of subjects (a bit over a thousand children) and check for lots of stuff (42 things), you will find one anomaly. </p> <p>That 2007 paper and the tic anomaly were discussed here:<br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/09/27/a-bad-day-for-antivaccinationists/">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/09/27/a-bad-day-for-antivaccinat…</a></p> <p>Orac even says: "When running 42 tests, it would be shocking if there were not a few anomalous findings. What makes the study authors fairly confident that the findings are anomalous is that they were divided roughly equally in both directions, good and bad."</p> <p>Be sure to check the comments from other bloggers that Orac added later to that post.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346464&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7fdYqjIvPBw-YKyqamfquET4_k9OkNJQ4pJ3lA18dHY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346464">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346465" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482245945"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I love how jasryl6 @126 says that the MMR should be broken up into three separate vaccines. Wouldn't that triple the number of shots?</p> <p>And to claim that polio was "fixed" by sanitation is to claim that your parents and grandparents literally sat around in open sewers. People were dying of polio in the USA in 1943.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346465&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="a9ROmpe08sb4kbgqW0KcW79QDzo-jgSUyGstNkoPdX4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346465">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346466" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482249470"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>You take a small number of subjects (a bit over a thousand children) and check for lots of stuff (42 things), you will find one anomaly.</p></blockquote> <p>I have to be at the vet in a bit, but IIRC, the Hayes item linked <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/13/scientists-against-science-denialism-and-pseudoscience/#comment-452457">here</a> includes Bonferroni corrections as a Tool of The Cover-Up.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346466&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J6wf_pJUVNIRrNZnsUtjv7Q2oYGShRX7CKLCdrlLnrQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346466">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346472" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482254409"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6@150: Regarding your comment on how profitable vaccines are for manufacturers I think that you have missed the issue of frequency. Vaccines are (for the most part) a few in a lifetime. Even the influenza vaccine is merely yearly (and not required for most adults).<br /> But there are tons of pharmaceuticals (prescription and OTC) that are taken daily, often for extended times or even for the whole of life.<br /> So what's more profitable, a vaccine that is given maybe 3 times in a lifetime, or diabetes medication that is taken daily?<br /> The profit motive just isn't there for vaccines.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346472&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZtrcfZ8fh63u1-9mBfxnD3HynHDUqsly8dzgECkaOSU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346472">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346476" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255124"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have to disagree. Of course, there are some very profitable pharmaceuticals. The pharmaceutical industry does a good job pushing their drugs and making big money. But, vaccines have the benefit of greater protection. If your vaccine gets added to the schedule, nearly every kid in America is getting it (sometimes 4 times with the boosters). They don't need to advertise. But, they've been doing that lately too. Like the Trimemba ad where they try to convince parents that their kid might get Hep C and die if he shares a drink with his friend. For the non-mandated ones, they're working to correct that as well. Hospitals guilt their employees and threaten them if they don't get the flu shot. Doctors guilt parents into getting their teen daughter the Gardasyl shot. They plan to grow from a $30 billion per year industry to a $100 billion industry in just a few years. Given how insanely pro-vaccine the brainwashed American public has become, it will probably happen.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346476&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3-xueEPHvCGsPmbms6E26Ajtj1Ml5QfZt-qpxU6SjT4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346476">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346472#comment-1346472" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346473" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482254801"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vaccines are one of the least profitable biologics / pharmaceuticals on the market....they require hundreds of millions of dollars in R&amp;D, most in development don't get approved, and they are given very few times over the life of a person....not to mention the increased cost of post-release surveillance as well.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346473&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Bzvvp__JouqkY496_M5CiCxQ4xZhFXPNwck3UqGlQgI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346473">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346474" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482254950"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>If the CDC and Merck just allowed parents to continue getting the MMR as 3 separate shots, there would be more kids being vaccinated for measles.</p></blockquote> <p>How many more? Do show your work.</p> <blockquote><p>Maybe we wouldn’t have had those 250 measles cases in California that everyone lost their minds over. (zero deaths and a bunch of kids who got lifetime immunity).</p></blockquote> <p>You seem to have a bad habit of playing free and loose with facts. There were 147 domestic cases (not all in California) and at least 136 in Lanaudière. And now everybody gets to play SSPE roulette. Yay?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346474&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="m-9U_6ijy_pWlgVl4h-cQh15-Ovy47iTdZNYO-SqOls"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346474">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346475" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255114"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>At no time was Thompson the "Lead Statistician or lead Epidemiologist" of the CDC....that's just a bold face exaggeration of the highest degree.</p> <p>You should be ashamed of your stupidity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346475&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="L1OvKOeztpgxKyixC1QCql_jgNCx8XzCwzdZ7H8TE4I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346475">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346477" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255622"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And to claim that polio was “fixed” by sanitation is to claim that your parents and grandparents literally sat around in open sewers.</p> <p>It's also backward: improved sanitation went hand-in-hand with polio's appearing in epidemic outbreaks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346477&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pCOIT8eUNtL5Pa2TkN02Bg07ZR3OhgTz_hX9ETHlUOI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346477">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346478" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255628"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@150<br /> jasryl6 bought into the ‘Paul Offit voted himself rich’ nonsense by asking: “Why don’t you look at how much Paul Offit pocketed after voting to add a vaccine to the schedule that he held the patent to. (Rotavirus). </p> <p>Of course, Offit left the Advisory Council on Immunization Practices three years <i>before</i> the RotaTeq vaccine that he developed was voted onto the pediatric immunization schedule. Perhaps jasryl6 is confused by the fact that a competitor for the vaccine that Offit worked 25 years to develop was approved in early 1998, mere months before Offit was allowed to vote in that Council. Offit didn’t vote to approve either the competing vaccine (that could have made it difficult to market the vaccine that he was developing) or for his own vaccine—but perhaps jasryl6 will still think it’s a nice story if the facts are ignored.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346478&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qxYVsh1nbtrE9oaAFbdRf26YSt_7oU8zfs2IcmsIaTE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">brian (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346478">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346479" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255760"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^ Moar blockquote fail in my previous comment.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346479&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="x6WvTJY12RJY0dF9DuzW_a_KT1gUatJx9yzbHFVQbw0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346479">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346480" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255770"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 @172: A couple of things, just to be clear.<br /> 1) Trimemba is for meningitis, not HepC. I had to get a meningitis shot when I went to college (private school requirement) and while it's generally rare it can also be fatal in a matter of hours, yeah, I took it. (I really, really wish there were a HepC vaccine. It's a huge problem among homeless and IDU veterans and I would *love* to be able to get on top of it.<br /> 2) US labor laws allow an employer to demand almost anything of their employees. So there's that for starters. And I think that it is right that the people who are working with the sickest and most vulnerable be expected to take more precautions. Or do you think it's not reasonable to ask doctors and nurses to wash their hands?<br /> 3) I got the very first version of Gardasil (no y) and I was thrilled. Hello, preventing cancer? Who doesn't want to prevent cancer? And that was 10 years ago, so it's not like there hasn't been follow up on million of women and girls. Oh, and it's for boys now too. And preventing cancer is clearly *not* a money making venture since most cancers are very expensive to treat.</p> <p>So no, still disagreeing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346480&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ArVdB_ZWBgi73bSjnUSWAaYZrPrDhj69gs_2q7CpMF4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346480">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346498" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482302719"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You are right about Trimemba. I was going on memory.<br /> I don't think Gardasyl prevents cancer. I know 2 people that had serious complications from it. Fatigue and frequent pain. One of them passed out right in the Dr. office. They were aware of that being a potential side effect. Why would they put out a vaccine that they know causes people to faint? How can someone say vaccines don't affect someone's neurology if they can make you pass out? Why vaccinate an 11 year old for something that will affect them closer to the age of 50? Gardasyl is no longer used in Japan. They linked it to chronic fatigue. I'm pretty sure Australia stopped using it as well.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346498&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8nUrpUMV8kn-B8YQr2bWop3qddi2ahQiz-A612SxpXo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346498">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346480#comment-1346480" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346481" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255843"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Narad, yep, that's how it got my family.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346481&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uv58Wv6uaK3wQ4gYrVscxTwekRVlxSS7d1nVRZUXBd0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346481">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346482" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482255958"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6:</p> <blockquote><p>how much Paul Offit pocketed after voting to add a vaccine to the schedule that he held the patent to. (Rotavirus). There’s no conflict of interest there though. Right? Of course not.</p></blockquote> <p>That would be $0.00, as Offitt <b>did not vote</b> "to add a vaccine to the schedule that he held the patent to."</p> <p>This comes across as trolling more than as genuine stupidity and misinformation.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346482&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bpeqjTfwHwSZQ98w0tbo4shsj7Vv7kgfJeUMl5SnOFM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346482">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346487" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482258057"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interesting. Where did you get that information? I haven't seen any claim that he made nothing off selling the patent after the vaccine was added to the schedule. Is there a vaccine worship site I don't know about that is even more loyal to Merck than this one?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346487&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="56wzFMYUrbTOL1OGwehrTd7_YogFbiHP-O2bXR-Cf1E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346487">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346482#comment-1346482" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346483" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482256046"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The Thimerosa-containing flu vaccine is still administered to pregnant women. <b>I am positive of this.</b> So, any vaccine worship site that says otherwise is lying.</p></blockquote> <p>You're not very good at the "premises" part of deductive reasoning, are you?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346483&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JyrxTQCxzivPMJRa7Hd9fwwJsO7E7vhMXvrB3_Qpbco"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346483">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346484" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482256213"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Easily verified as false.....Dr. Offit never held the patent, the Institution did. When the patent was sold, he was compensated because he was one of the developers.</p> <p>Once that payment was made, he had no remaining interest in either the patent or vaccine itself.</p> <p>Why do anti-vaxers keep repeating such easily refuted lies?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346484&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N6lef7j246s6q7o3bikKzbRp-o5xXflfGGPtm5BeKcY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346484">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346485" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482256719"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vaccines to prevent Cancer? God forbid.....</p> <p>Square the circle - a simple vaccine that prevents the need for tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in treatments.</p> <p>Anti-vaxers are just dumb.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346485&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="La1Jcj6NQsPC6zy9M16oDJjQeRAVepRfq02oyCpowR8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346485">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346486" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482256994"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from lawsuits, and it is highly profitable. They can’t be sued,</p></blockquote> <p>Does this sound familiar?</p> <blockquote><p>There is currently a court case in PA involving 2 of the Merck scientists who have admitted they were ordered to lie to bring that vaccine to market. The Mumps part of the vaccine doesn’t work at all.</p></blockquote> <p>Whoops. I won't even bother with manufacturing and warning defect.</p> <blockquote><p>They don’t need to advertise. It is the only product that the government can force people to buy.</p></blockquote> <p>How does that work?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346486&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HdhggFk_LtglUc1Xbc0KXX0l9hD4TWNYl4BFVCxBZeU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346486">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346488" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482258127"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> Why do anti-vaxers keep repeating such easily refuted lies? </p></blockquote> <p>Because it's all they have. </p> <p>Or was that one of those rhetorical questions?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346488&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SAoz4XMeeUkTHE1I1sm8UVUrhUdEyjJKZnYrRJcA1qU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Johnny (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346488">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346489" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482258520"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Most likely rhetorical....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346489&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mgqOsaSg8QUwtHm4iXAbSKn49FBk1IKDLR5VyOdsock"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346489">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346490" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482259313"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dr. Offit didn't "sell" the patent - the institution he worked for did...again, he was compensated with a "one-time payment" which covered the work he did.</p> <p>After that, he had no financial interest in either the vaccine or the patent.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346490&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pPfLtZzHzHzggZofCoYlh9cuQFptG9aJEhzUiiom_DQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346490">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346491" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482260890"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I like how jasryl keeps saying we worship vaccines. Does Jasryl worship tables? Cornerstones? Anything that does it's job in an easily verifiable way? They might as well give up going to church and sit at the local mechanic's shop for an hour.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346491&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gQDffi3231uDQ0TdYwLukkvgeX9A-Herx3qeRTSaeDw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346491">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346492" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482262407"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "how much Paul Offit pocketed after voting to add a vaccine to the schedule that he held the patent to. (Rotavirus)."</p> <p>Dr. Offit's last year as an ACIP member was 2006. The ACIP approved RotaTeq in 2006: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5802a1.htm">https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5802a1.htm</a></p> <p>And here are meeting minutes of ACIP in 2006, if you look on the fourth page you will see that Dr. Offit is <b>not</b> listed with the ACIP Members, but further down representing his hospital under "Guest Presenters, Press and Members of the Public."</p> <p>"If the CDC and Merck just allowed parents to continue getting the MMR as 3 separate shots, there would be more kids being vaccinated for measles."</p> <p>Please provide the PubMed indexed studies by <b>reputable qualified</b> researchers that the MMR vaccine that has been used in the USA since 1978 causes <b>more</b> harm than measles, mumps and rubella. Wakefield and his friends are not reputable.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346492&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4fX8STcETvPYlSFiHQ5cxquESdSi0hadAtLwfXe-R84"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346492">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346493" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482274886"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Chris, Dr. Offit's "last year as an ACIP member" was, as I recall, 2003. The ACIP voted to approve RotaTeq in February 2006, two years and 9 months after Dr. Offit left the committee. jasryl6, like the delusional horde at AoA, is far off base.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346493&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-NBqR7lRm0T6Cmood8rk2KlrDeAj3xMRDHpMtVcKHCE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">brian (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346493">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346494" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482278889"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>brian: "Chris, Dr. Offit’s “last year as an ACIP member” was, as I recall, 2003"</p> <p>Ooops. You are correct, thank you. That is a stupid typo, mostly because I was rushed. I was about to go somewhere, but just as I was finishing dear hubby walked in and actually wanted to have a conversation about his day (okay, he has been working lots of overtime, so it was more of a vent).</p> <p>And look, I even forgot to post the link of the 2006 ACIP minute where Offit is not listed as an ACIP member:<br /><a href="https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/AcipMinJun06_FB100506_174608_7.pdf">https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/AcipMinJun06_FB100506_174608_7…</a></p> <p>And here are the minutes of the Feb. 2006 ACIP meeting, which is missing the list of ACIP members, but puts Dr. Offit's affiliation as his hospital:<br /><a href="http://www.path.org/vaccineresources/files/ACIP_minutes_Feb06.pdf">http://www.path.org/vaccineresources/files/ACIP_minutes_Feb06.pdf</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346494&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="alGNXiAS2TUcY9v20DKP5ZZGWibK-i_HQSKlkuNoXxI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346494">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346495" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482279204"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The Thimerosa-containing flu vaccine is still administered to pregnant women. I am positive of this.</p></blockquote> <p>People have firmly believed a lot of dead wrong things.</p> <blockquote><p>So, any vaccine worship site that says otherwise is lying.</p></blockquote> <p>Translation: my beliefs are more important than any evidence you are able to present.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346495&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NLunu6QYtNKyG-X09wqKOrc9FBRi7ny6CBtGGJjAFGw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346495">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346496" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482286394"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Just to explain to our current not very good troll why I emphasised that Thompson is a psychologist: a psychologist, certainly here and depending on which branch of psychology their post-grad training was in, would not necessarily have any training or expertise in autism or tic disorders. And if he's working in the sort of job Thompson was would have little clinical experience of either.</p> <p>A number of the regular-ish posters here have more relevant knowledge and experience...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346496&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BaDOgbxSEKgKz2P7Q3zEeB11QH19j7S8r7Bt9Es0gzw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Murmur (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346496">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346497" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482291582"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i><br /><blockquote>Offitt did not vote “to add a vaccine to the schedule that he held the patent to.”</blockquote></i></p> <p>Interesting. Where did you get that information? I haven’t seen any claim that he made nothing off selling the patent after the vaccine was added to the schedule.</p> <p>Now some would say that there is little scope for argument with someone who is shameless enough to take the statement (demonstrably true) that Paul Offit <b>did not vote</b> on the Rotateq vaccine and turn it into a garbled claim that Offit <b>made no money</b>. I could not possibly comment.<br /> Fortunately I am not here to win arguments with feckwit trolls, but simply to kick arse and chew bubblegum, and the good news is that I have plenty of bubblegum.</p> <p>Narad:<br /><i> Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from lawsuits, and it is highly profitable. They can’t be sued,<br /> ...<br /> There is currently a court case in PA involving 2 of the Merck scientists who have admitted they were ordered to lie to bring that vaccine to market. </i></p> <p>Yes, mendacity troll is telling us that (a) "Vaccine manufacturers can’t be sued", <b>and</b> (b) "Here is a vaccine manufacturer being sued".<br /> But troll has also told us that Thompson was (a) "the CDC’s lead Epidemiologist and Statistician", <b>and</b> (b) a lowly minion, "number four out of the five" who went along with bad decisions that he could not influence.</p> <p>I wonder if jasryl6 unwrapped the Xmas presents early and found a copy of "How to Win Arguments and Convince People through Bullsh1t and Self-Contradictions".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346497&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2EoRShs2xOh6lI5FFRO3ercjBJJBtYc-aKtF99cN77k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 20 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346497">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346502" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482304542"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@jasryl6:</p> <blockquote><p>I don’t think Gardasyl prevents cancer.</p></blockquote> <p>It doesn't matter what you think, or more correctly, assume. What matters is what the <i>evidence</i> says. And the evidence says that since Gardasil has been introduced, <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37211349">the number of new cervical cancers has halved</a>. In addition, oral and throat cancers have also fallen thanks to Gardasil.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346502&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gJUKqiHmEz85-yqp86y2tB7-S8MlFNQ4FPRD8Xjemwc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346502">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346503" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482318769"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I can't find any evidence to support what you are saying. Are you sure you didn't grab that info from skepticalreaptor? I'll happily look at any study you want to provide.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346503&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bGmxUKNdItG1untRi3DeXMpOuyeG47rwCczWRhvWc20"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346503">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346502#comment-1346502" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346504" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482318855"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "Are you telling me autism rates aren’t much lower in the Amish communities?"</p> <p>It depends on how you define autism. They actually have a higher chance of from very nasty neurological disorders than the average population due to the limited gene pool. This is why they are a well studied population, including a few on autism. </p> <p>You would have known this if you had clicked on the blue letters that sent you to the research done by the Clinic for Special Children in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. But just like Dan Olmsted, you just ignored its existence:<br /><a href="https://clinicforspecialchildren.org/what-we-do/research/diseases-mutations/">https://clinicforspecialchildren.org/what-we-do/research/diseases-mutat…</a></p> <p>About Hannah Poling, you also said: "The high fever that sometimes comes with vaccination could have triggered her “autism-like features”. So, I’m guessing Hannah never had a fever before."</p> <p>Wrong. Her vaccines were delayed because of a series of ear infections. From: <a href="http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1721109,00.html">http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1721109,00.html</a> : "Because of a series of ear infections, Hannah had fallen behind in the vaccine schedule, so in a single day she was given five inoculations covering a total of nine diseases: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae."</p> <p>Now where are the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers that the MMR vaccine used in the USA since 1978 causes <b>more</b> harm than measles, mumps and rubella.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346504&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XeEkEOiAEkqrO3Qs8xACd6odhfum0G__YgRJSPJKHrM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346504">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346505" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482319153"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasry16: "I can’t find any evidence to support what you are saying."</p> <p>Considering your string of absolute wrongness, and not even being able to follow the links that have been given to you, that is not a surprise. Perhaps it is because you are having trouble with reading comprehension, I have asked you for studies by <b>reputable qualified</b> researchers that show a <b>greater</b> harm from vaccines than the diseases, and you just posted a bunch of nonsense.</p> <p>Hint: Autism is not worse than measles, and nor is it worse than most diseases, and it is not caused by any vaccine. Also someone whose medical license was revoked is not reputable.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346505&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Td5FGZE7h7cFpUnt2fWiomRQ6EBIUuKQpx9OQ1qWWHg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346505">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346517" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482354194"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm sure you are aware there are numerous other doctors besides Wakefield who dare to question vaccine safety despite the obvious consequences. Dr. Wakefield's co-author, Dr. John Walker Smith, for example, stood by the Lancet paper. But, he won his case in court and had his license restored.<br /> You want proof that the MMR is more dangerous than measles. I never said it was. I don't view vaccine injured kids as collateral damage.<br /> "Autism is not worse than measles"<br /> What a dumb thing to say! Tell that to all of the non-verbal autistic kids who can't care for themselves. According to the CDC, the risk of death from measles is 1 in 1,000. Parents used to try to get their kids the measles just like they did with the chicken pox. Autism affects as many as 1 in 48 males in the U.S.</p> <p>You never answered my questions? Why do you ask me not to mention the Tripedea DTaP? Because it lists autism under adverse events? Are you aware that a court in Italy ruled the vaccine Infanrix Hexa vaccine caused a child's autism. In the GSK document, it shows 6 cases of autism reported during clinical trials. I also pointed out that you clearly lied about Dr. Thompson considering I provided you with a way to hear the unedited conversations with Dr. Hooker. Did you listen to it? Or, are you afraid to? In case you missed the quotes I posted earlier, here is just some of what you will listen to from Dr. Thompson. I'm sure you will now be dismissing him as an antivaxxer. </p> <p>“You know, in the United States, the only mercury containing vaccine is for pregnant women. I can say confidently I do think thimerosal causes tics. So I don’t know why they still give it to pregnant women. Like that’s the last person that I would give mercury to.”</p> <p>“Thimerosal from vaccines cause tics.”</p> <p>“Do you think a pregnant mother would want to take a vaccine that they know caused tics? Absolutely not! I would never give my wife a vaccine that I thought caused tics. I can say tics are four times more prevalent in kids with autism.”</p> <p>“There is biologic plausibility right now to say that thimerosal causes autism-like features.”</p> <p>“I have great shame now when I meet a family with kids with autism, because I have been a part of the problem.”</p> <p>“I shoulder that the CDC has put the research ten years behind. Because the CDC has not been transparent, we’ve missed ten years of research, because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They’re not doing what they should be doing. They are afraid to look for things that might be associated.”</p> <p>“The higher ups wanted to do certain things and I went along with it. I was, in terms of chain in command, I was number four out of the five. Colleen was the Division Chief … Frank is the Director of Immunization Safety. They are still all much more senior than me.”</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346517&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P2IJi0T7Q7DqxFaF4-w_OwQxGXJnTKx_2Ymr2jBqpP4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346517">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346505#comment-1346505" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346506" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482319210"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hpv-vaccine-tied-to-drop-in-cases-but-many-u-s-kids-still-unprotected/">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hpv-vaccine-tied-to-drop-in-…</a></p> <p>I would call a 64% drop in circulating strains of HPV to be significant.....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346506&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="v-iwnQAVMDH4g7gO3-GZX_INiKE8yArIHWR8xsikXCA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346506">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346507" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482319592"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>You are right about Trimemba. I was going on memory.</p></blockquote> <p>I believe everyone has become quite aware of how well that works for you by this point.</p> <blockquote><p>I don’t think Gardasyl prevents cancer.</p></blockquote> <p>Please elucidate this thinking of yours.</p> <blockquote><p>I know 2 people that had serious complications from it. Fatigue and frequent pain.</p></blockquote> <p>Do you have the VAERS IDs?</p> <blockquote><p>One of them passed out right in the Dr. office. They were aware of that being a potential side effect. Why would they put out a vaccine that they know causes people to faint?</p></blockquote> <p>Syncope among adolescents was discovered as a side effect in postmarketing surveillance. Then again, it's <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/fainting.html">not unique to Gardasil</a> or even <a href="http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/20/e198">to vaccines</a>.</p> <blockquote><p>How can someone say vaccines don’t affect someone’s neurology if they can make you pass out?</p></blockquote> <p>Fainting is not a neurological symptom.</p> <blockquote><p>Why vaccinate an 11 year old for something that will affect them closer to the age of 50?</p></blockquote> <p>Um, so that it <i>doesn't</i> "affect them closer to the age of 50"?</p> <blockquote><p>Gardasyl is no longer used in Japan.</p></blockquote> <p>It no longer has a government recommendation. It hasn't been "banned," which is the usual trope, although uptake <i>has</i> dropped precipitously.</p> <blockquote><p>They linked it to chronic fatigue.</p></blockquote> <p>Working from memory again? About 50 reported cases of complex regional pain syndrome, per Medscape. I'll let you find it for yourself, as I'm out of links.</p> <blockquote><p>I’m pretty sure Australia stopped using it as well.</p></blockquote> <p>You're even more wrong than usual.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346507&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jZUTbIK5IZlvpJvimPYmpW5-wPE8aho7fpSF-mr-6EI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346507">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346508" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482319920"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Chris:</p> <blockquote><p>PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers</p></blockquote> <p>I'm thinking now more than ever that revising this to "Medline indexed" would be better, given how easy it is for random OA crap to wind up in Pubmed. At least Medline is actually curated.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346508&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WmRCyUedr_UJ-kO_otrjEKt8b0a1EkbLfWCGvR8bgbs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346508">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346509" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482324040"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Duly noted. But it is just a starting point mostly to avoid youtube videos and random conspiracy websites. I am not sure a blanket suggestion to use <a href="https://www.nlm.nih.gov/bsd/pmresources.html">https://www.nlm.nih.gov/bsd/pmresources.html</a> is going to help, since it does include PubMed. </p> <p>Also, these clowns have no idea how to type in <a href="http://www.pubmed.gov">www.pubmed.gov</a>, much less how to use the more refined bit if the Medline database. From the Fact Sheet: MEDLINE, PubMed, and PMC (PubMed Central): How are the different?... it says:<br /></p><blockquote>MEDLINE is the largest subset of PubMed. You may limit your PubMed search retrieval to MEDLINE citations by restricting your search to the MeSH controlled vocabulary or by using the Journal Categories filter called MEDLINE.</blockquote> <p>Yeah, they are going to figure out the "MeSH controlled vocabulary" right after they figure out what "more harm than" means. You will note, that I often do not get a valid reply with my PubMed indexed request.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346509&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Zd5LpeLGGuFuZs1KIjnOjg3TYQ9wFLlz-YEUP6x7en4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346509">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346510" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482330707"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 asked, "Why would they put out a vaccine that they know causes people to faint?"</p> <p>Patients faint with equal frequency whether they are injected with the Gardasil vaccine or with saline placebo. </p> <p>It happens that young females--the original target population for Gardasil--faint more commonly than most other humans when they are injected, see their own blood, etc. This is true even for female military recruits (who faint about twice as frequently as male recruits) although they may be tougher than most of us, male or female. </p> <p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24299261">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24299261</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346510&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KOgyBn6DGijmKb2_t49ISezQ5j-jCxwoggSsnICofbE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">brian (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346510">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346516" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482351082"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is exactly what I'm talking about. Classic vaccine worship. People commenting on scienceblogs and skepticalraptor are incapable of saying anything negative about a vaccine.<br /> “On June 9, 2009, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a revised label for Gardasil, a vaccine to protect against cervical, vulvar and vaginal cancers caused by Human Papillomavirus (HPV) types 16 and 18 and genital warts caused by HPV types 6 and 11. In the new label, information pertaining to syncope (fainting) is now also included in the Warnings and Precautions section, and this section has new information noting that individuals who faint sometimes have tonic-clonic (jerking) movements and seizure-like activity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346516&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NtHKGA1cESE-zpWPFz7OtjbuhWN0JrzMb4wBSzsfjqs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346516">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346510#comment-1346510" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">brian (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346511" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482332201"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I received an IV the last time I was in the ER - and I passed out when they stuck the needle in......it happens all the time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346511&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MWD7fmRZXzJvxcetPjVAmV-F-1rLYNR0005sZGYtouw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346511">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346512" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482332966"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 @183:<br /> A few more things: Lots of things make people pass out. These include: getting shots, having blood drawn, seeing their own blood, watching someone else have blood drawn, low blood sugar, heat, and emotional shock.<br /> Gardasil is still used in Australia, where it has much better uptake than in the US and has substantially reduced the rate of new cervical cancers. (See Julian's link at 201).<br /> Why vaccinate against HPV at 11 if it might not cause cancer until 50? Because 50 is when the cancer is diagnosed, not when your first got the virus that causes the cancer. It's not a one day HPV, next day cancer kind of thing. It takes years to develop. So why not protect children before they are ever exposed?<br /> Unless you think that all girls and women love being up in those stirrups, cranked open with a speculum and scraped away. Try having some compassion for people who've experienced sexual assault and can not handle a pelvic exam. And have some compassion for all the women of the world who have no access to regular PAP smears or pelvic exams but might be able to complete a vaccine series.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346512&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UpuCJKiPGaLjHvfCTTSJxdhpbekqtPkyhcwSXP_xgtM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346512">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346513" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482338629"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>How can someone say vaccines don’t affect someone’s neurology if they can make you pass out?</p></blockquote> <p>I passed out cold the first time I gave blood and blacked out partially the next several times. Guess I need to see a neurologist.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346513&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ybSxFcFh5FYxWVUOLu0LuGV0BoHv84r2w3bZUALGq_4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Mephistopheles O&#039;Brien">Mephistopheles… (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346513">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346514" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482341726"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" Hospitals guilt their employees and threaten them if they don’t get the flu shot."</p> <p>Someone who does not worship at the altar of Antivax might deduce that the reason for mandating flu vaccination of health care workers is to protect elderly, immunocompromised and otherwise vulnerable patients.</p> <p>Seems like a good thing to me (and I'm one of those health care workers who gets an annual flu shot).<br /> Also, the Pharma perks are _awesome_. :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346514&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="j81VRbgdrxHbmIZC6F5F8hi4MiHkcCSGyphLFqbzCMQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346514">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346515" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482341823"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would also suggest that this is done to prevent outbreaks of Flu among the nurses, who's absence would exacerbate an already serious shortage of nurses in this country (day to day).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346515&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-tmGNSS5KKOwu9udwmVAAWy6y4K-F0k9JY93y_7fXGY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346515">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346518" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482357463"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "Tell that to all of the non-verbal autistic kids who can’t care for themselves."</p> <p>My oldest child has autism. I am presently reading a book co-authored by an autistic person. It is called <i>The Gentle Push</i>, and one of the authors is Temple Grandin. Perhaps you have heard of her? She has a PhD. I know it would be pointless for me to request you provide the verifiable documentation that 1 out of 48 males in the USA are "non-verbal autistic kids who can’t care for themselves." (by the way, my oldest was non-verbal at age three, but there is this thing called "speech therapy")</p> <p>"Parents used to try to get their kids the measles just like they did with the chicken pox."</p> <p>Wrong. That was for rubella (German measles), and mostly for girls to prevent congenital rubella syndrome (a known cause of autism, along with other nasty things like death). Prior to the vaccine almost every child got measles (rubeola) before their fifteenth birthday. That is why it is assumed anyone born <b>before</b> 1957 has had measles. Read this (the blue letters mean it is a link to another web page):<br /><a href="http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.long">http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.long</a></p> <p>"Why do you ask me not to mention the Tripedea DTaP?"</p> <p>Now, this is why I question your reading comprehension. I told you it was discontinued five years ago, and even included a link (again, do you even notice some of the words were blue?). It is no longer available, it is not sold and is not on the <b>present</b> American pediatric schedule. What part of that do you not understand?</p> <p>Due to your reading comprehension issues, I would not trust any of the quotes you claim from Thompson. Also, I explained more than once that Thompson's whining about tics and thimerosal was due to jumping on one result based on measuring lots of stuff on just a thousand test subjects. Obviously you do not understand the basics of statistics and p-hacking, because if you have reading problems you more than likely do not understand any math.</p> <p>Now again, please post the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers that the MMR vaccine that has been used in the USA since 1978 causes more harm than measles, mumps and rubella. </p> <p>And since you want to make lots of claims about autism and vaccines, you should answer another thing. The first MMR in the USA was introduced in 1971, the one used now was the preferred vaccine for the 1978 Measles Elimination Program. Please provide verifiable documentation dated <b>before</b> 1990 that the rate of autism rose in the USA coincident with the use of any MMR vaccine during the 1970s and 1980s. It could be anything, as long as it is verifiable, like government surveys of disabilities or education populations (but it must be available online for all to read, so include a link!). </p> <p>This would help Wakefield, because it would show that there was data for him to base his hypothesis on. The USA is much bigger than the UK, and had been using an MMR for almost twenty years before the UK introduced theirs in 1988. So if an MMR vaccine caused autism it would have noticed in a very big country using it for more that twenty years before Wakefield did his study.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346518&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cNKvtQlphXXkueb8ulAeo_ynh0aQgQ4JPsRFWbUaA2Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346518">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346525" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482388990"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Let's talk about your reading comprehension. It is absolutely terrible. I never said all kids with autism are non-verbal. I was responding to your insane statement that getting the measles is worse than having autism. I said "tell that to all of the non-verbal autistic kids.." If you think that implies that I think every kid on the spectrum is non-verbal, you need serious work on your reading comprehension.</p> <p>I know that the Tripedea DTaP isn't part of the schedule. My point was, on fda.gov, it still listed autism under adverse events. So, I questioned if that might be the reason you don't want to talk about it. I'm fully aware of what adverse events means. </p> <p>Due to your reading comprehension issues, I would think that you would just search Dr. Thompson full audio, and listen. But, maybe you have issues understanding what you hear as well. Or, you are just terrified of what you might hear. There is a lot more than just what I quoted there.</p> <p>I never said the MMR is directly responsible for the rise in autism. I didn't say it was the dramatic increase in the schedule (which does correlate with the rise in autism). I didn't say it was only because of Thimerosal either. In fact, I never even said it was only because of vaccines. I think there are several other factors involved. </p> <p>You clearly never read the Dr. Wakefield Lancet study. The study never concluded that the MMR causes autism. </p> <p>My main issue with vaccines is that they need to be made safer. Thimerosal needs to be removed completely. Further testing needs to be done on the MMR. I think the schedule is way too demanding. But, what motivation does Merck have to produce the safest vaccines possible when a brainwashed American public has become so pro-vaccine? Thanks to a costly PR campaign, it is at the point where no one can even question them without people losing their minds. What benefit does Thimerosal have other than a financial benefit to Merck? NONE. So, why would anyone support Merck's decision to continue using it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346525&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dGLRWvW_cuxGQiUv1FmCr-gu4KJM5nuDN4drJVXlQM8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346525">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346518#comment-1346518" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346519" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482361427"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 noted that "individuals who faint sometimes have tonic-clonic (jerking) movements and seizure-like activity."</p> <p>Indeed. </p> <p>However, it happens that that's true whether the syncope follows the sight of blood, exercise, vaccination, or acupuncture. It happens that adolescent girls, the target population for the initial anti-HPV vaccination efforts, are particularly prone to fainting. So?</p> <p>Note that other vaccines given in adolescence, just like exercise, laceration, wound repair, and blood draws are similarly associated with risk of "fainting, tonic-clonic (jerking) movements and seizure-like activity." Gardasil-associated fainting, rare as it is, would be even less of a problem if the vaccine was routinely given only to middle-aged people, but then it wouldn't be particularly effective given that many in that population, unlike young adolescents, would probably have already been infected with HPV. </p> <p>Oh, by the way: regarding "the Tripedia DTaP listed autism under adverse events," you should understand that vaccine package inserts are intended to be read at about the sixth-grade level. Accordingly, a sixth-grader should be able to help you to understand the difference between an event that was reported to have happened some time after vaccination and an event that was determined to have been caused by vaccination. Note that the Tripedia package insert also includes Sudden Infant Death Syndrome in that list, and that (stay with me now) since SIDS deaths are classified as SIDS deaths because they have NOT been attributed to any specific cause, your suggestion that the inclusion of autism alongside SIDS in that list implies causality is, at best, woefully ignorant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346519&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3gmPBpBRtOrUcUiEtEN9dCYledIRniLt5dNKOR0Qqss"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">brian (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346519">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346520" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482367257"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Lots of things make people pass out. These include: getting shots, having blood drawn, seeing their own blood, watching someone else have blood drawn, low blood sugar, heat, and emotional shock.</p></blockquote> <p>Back when I was younger I was told that gentlemen should never undress in front of young ladies with the lights on, as it may make the young ladies faint.</p> <p>Being of a scientific bent, I put this to the test several times back then and always with the same outcome: no fainting, just pointing and laughing.</p> <p>I am wondering whether jasryl6 has mistaken pointing and laughing for fainting.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346520&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="W-cbQZcDeEW_edlFN4o3hI4Ez8PmQKv-5WjcpnDR4Us"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Preston (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346520">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346521" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482371460"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@jasryl6 #202:</p> <blockquote><p>I can’t find any evidence to support what you are saying.</p></blockquote> <p>Did you see the blue-coloured words in my comment? That's a hyperlink. Click on it.<br /> #205:</p> <blockquote><p>Dr. John Walker Smith, for example, stood by the Lancet paper. But, he won his case in court and had his license restored.</p></blockquote> <p>1. Walker-Smith did not "stand by the Lancet Paper". After his appeal, his own lawyer declared the vaccine autism causation hypothesis disproven.<br /> 2. Walker-Smith's appeal was basically "Wakefield deceived me". It doesn't exonerate Wakefield, it damages him further.</p> <blockquote><p>According to the CDC, the risk of death from measles is 1 in 1,000.</p></blockquote> <p>Death is not the only possible negative outcome from measles. My driving instructor was deaf in one ear thanks to measles.</p> <blockquote><p>Are you aware that a court in Italy ruled the vaccine Infanrix Hexa vaccine caused a child’s autism.</p></blockquote> <p>1. Nope. Wrong vaccine. The Court ruled that MMR caused a child's autism.<br /> 2. The verdict was overturned by a higher Court, which also criticised the lower Court for including Wakefield's "Case Study" as evidence.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346521&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WsCcJKi5Th6xnbmlBciFraKkdh5MuhAX5khS1T6yB70"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346521">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346522" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482373046"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There was a second ruling of the Tribunal of Milan in 2014 in a civil case against the Italian Government claiming that Infanrix Hexa SK vaccine caused autism. The expert appointed by the Judge in the case stated that the mercury in the vaccine could be the only cause of autism in this case.</p> <p>I don't know whether this case has been overturned yet.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346522&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HfF1oTK3t8bacaxxnUi1CJiXGrt-fC5uChwpvwtcZv8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Preston (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346522">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346523" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482375183"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Not decided yet to my knowledge.</p> <p>Addressed here, if anyone wants background : <a href="http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/italian-court-awards-compensation-autism-problem-unreliable-expert/">http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/italian-court-aw…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346523&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_nB4NwEY5Rv6A0siGDC7g526F0Dn9jaSLp5dK_w1U9E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346523">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346522#comment-1346522" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Preston (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346524" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482375641"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Walker-Smith repudiated the fraudulent 1998 Wakefield et al paper's "interpretation" (conclusions) section, alongside nine other co-authors in 2004. This is the section that claims an association in time between regressive autism and MMR.</p> <p>In the High Court, his lawyer submitted on his behalf, that no respectable body of opinion now supported the claim that MMR causes autism. That was a formal submission, and it was adopted in the judgment.</p> <p>As you can discover in a recent online conversation between Wakefield and JB Handley (who, of course, didn't follow up the meaning of this) Walker-Smith has never spoken to Wakefield again.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346524&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-Gri6vfthYvG3MUx8lf8x0YPMqsEuNEtxbkSF-NBx5Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brian Deer (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346524">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346526" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482397158"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The reason you goal-posting shifting specials don't blast Hib has nothing to do with its safety profile. Otherwise, you'd leave varicella alone. You don't go after it because you cannot even attempt to make a case against it. You can't point to "sanitation and hygiene" as the primary factors contributing to the massive decline in Hib disease since the introduction of the shot. You got nothin', so you leave it alone.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346526&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cqGx6nHZpxxJ4fmeSTR93YkD7G63dgoFwtSCmeDa69E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346526">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346534" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482415553"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"you goal post shifting specials" Huh?</p> <p>I think I get it. You are one of those "if you question any vaccine, you are automatically against every vaccine and idolize Jenny McCarthy and hate science" people. It couldn't be that I think the MMR needs further independent study, Thimerosal needs to be eliminated completely, and the schedule has gotten too demanding. Nope. Because it's all or nothing. Right? Either you trust Merck and the CDC completely and happily inject your kids with whatever they put out. Or, you are a stupid antivaxxer.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346534&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-yJCweeoPwmxf0lYZ6uWYqK68J5T2YADCLAUBhPb7Ko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346534">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346526#comment-1346526" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346527" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482397361"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>I’m fully aware of what adverse events means.</i></p> <p>Thanks for the laugh.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346527&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="muaqgZqT7v0mxzIHD-UdVR5ZcAJQkRv5FDqDg4vsNTg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346527">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346528" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482397734"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>1. Improved sanitation/hygiene.<br /> 2. It was on the decline before the introduction of the vaccine.<br /> 3. The illness isn't that big of a deal.<br /> 4. We all had it as kids and it was no big whoop.<br /> 5. Nobody ever dies from it.</p> <p>You've got nothing in your arsenal. That's why you leave it alone.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346528&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iDdpomyLJhX-MQxNZ3GPd8hNFQ55UnWLO_nceeydW5o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346528">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346529" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482399333"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Yeah, they are going to figure out the “MeSH controlled vocabulary” right after they figure out what “more harm than” means. You will note, that I often do not get a valid reply with my PubMed indexed request.</p></blockquote> <p>True enough, but in a Pubmed search, all but the newest papers will carry the annotation "Indexed for MEDLINE," so the filters aren't strictly necessary (although I find them very helpful, which is why I set up an account).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346529&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_6-KmqmkeVO4O5sbNMlQfbP_pSZOCstY25Qu7fvjhOY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346529">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346530" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482399643"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Are you aware that a court in Italy ruled the vaccine Infanrix Hexa vaccine caused a child’s autism.</p></blockquote> <p>Yes. I can even tell you the name of the child's attorney.</p> <blockquote><p>In the GSK document, it shows 6 cases of autism reported during clinical trials.</p></blockquote> <p>Have you gone through this 1271-page document to be able to put your statement into context? It's kind of a pain in the ass, given that the column heads aren't repeated at the top of each table page, but I'll wait.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346530&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UW-aemptKYclFig2DCSepPgz3kbwvPPY4gvaqRGTV3A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346530">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346541" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482428232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's actually a simple word search. You can search "autism" and find the information.<br /><a href="https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf">https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s…</a><br /> I'm finished here. Maybe the rest of the people in your vaccine worship center will see this. I have done this once before, and it is amusing but time consuming. It's like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God. So many people responding. I don't have time to address them all. No. They haven't proven me wrong by siting information from their own vaccine worship sites. No. The MMR hasn't been proven safe unless you discount the thousands of parents who all have the same story of their child's regression after the MMR or the studies that show a link. Chemmomo and Chris are taking my words out of context. Everyone is avoiding the fact that you can listen to the unedited recordings of Dr. Thompson because it is the equivalent of showing a fundamentalist Christian a fossil. This vaccine worshiping cult still keeps trying to defend the idea of injecting pregnant women with mercury. To me, that is just sick. One day, they will realize it. I have heard it all before. "correlation doesn't equal causation", I get it. You love vaccines. You probably can't even acknowledge that some people are severely damaged by them. Your faith in vaccines surpasses even the very people who develop them. And, whether it's Dr. Maurice Hilleman, Dr. William Thompson, the former FDA official who said flu vaccines are worthless, or any of the doctors in the vaxxed videos....whoever it is, it doesn't matter. Once they question the vaccines, they are dismissed as antivaxxers. If this cult following at scienceblogs celebrates Christmas, then Merry Christmas! Time for me to move on. I have turned off notifications. But, have fun talking among yourselves.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346541&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uCGJBQF06e71DluKVO1eJ--TYkMKjjRzDcmVgKeGDEE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jasryl6 (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346541">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1346530#comment-1346530" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346531" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482403766"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>My main issue with vaccines is that they need to be made safer.</p></blockquote> <p>How much safer would you like them to be? What (to you) is an acceptable ratio of shots to adverse events?</p> <blockquote><p>Thimerosal needs to be removed completely. Further testing needs to be done on the MMR.</p></blockquote> <p>Spoken like a true antivaxxer. Vaccines are among the most thoroughly tested medical products in existence. What level of testing would satisfy you? Oh, and most vaccines have thimerosal free versions.</p> <blockquote><p>I think the schedule is way too demanding.</p></blockquote> <p>"Too many too soon". Investigated and disproven. Use the SEARCH box up top.</p> <blockquote><p>What benefit does Thimerosal have other than a financial benefit to Merck? NONE.</p></blockquote> <p>It allows vaccines to not need refrigeration. In fact, several organisations that supported thimerosal's removal now say that had they known then what they now now, they would have pushed for its retention.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346531&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E3GM_lE7mxF3DHkApJpwOOD22O3iPgH-_MyaF3sDr3A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346531">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346532" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482404310"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>It allows vaccines to not need refrigeration.</p></blockquote> <p>Nope, but using multidose vials does place less stress on the cold chain than single-dose units.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346532&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="11QSu7F8V_BuClHApTqCqT_wCUb_fq51yUM-7glq1O0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346532">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346533" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482413115"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "Let’s talk about your reading comprehension. It is absolutely terrible. I never said all kids with autism are non-verbal."</p> <p>Interesting. Lets see what you said, and these are your exact words: "Tell that to all of the non-verbal autistic kids who can’t care for themselves. According to the CDC, the risk of death from measles is 1 in 1,000. Parents used to try to get their kids the measles just like they did with the chicken pox. Autism affects as many as 1 in 48 males in the U.S."</p> <p>Now how would a reasonable person interpret that particular arrangement of words? You are saying autism is worse than measles <b>deaths</b> because of some random number your read somewhere. You also very strongly implied that the number represented <b>all</b> autistic persons.</p> <p>Well, now you really need to provide some verifiable evidence for that number, and give more detail about what it means. Break it down what percentage of the total with an autism study are "non-verbal who can care for themselves, versus the rest. Then tell us how many of the total would have received an autism diagnosis under DSM II (1968), DSM III (1980, and DSM III-R in 1987), DSM IV (1994) and finally DSM V (2013). </p> <p>Also, for those who are diagnosed under DSM V, please tell the percent who are Level 1, Level 2 and Level 3.</p> <p>"You clearly never read the Dr. Wakefield Lancet study. The study never concluded that the MMR causes autism."</p> <p>I did read it. Perhaps it is because Wakefield did not read his own paper, because at the press conference he told parents to use separate vaccines, without any evidence for that suggestion. And he has been playing that tune for almost twenty years. Have you even heard about his moved "VAXXED"?</p> <p>Wakefield evidence free announce that parents get single jabs had its own consequences, parents seeking separate vaccines had to go to private clinics. Before Wakefield published his paper, the UK had changed the MMR vaccines to remove those with the Urabe mumps strain (which had a higher than acceptical level of asceptic meningitis) to the Jeryl Lynn. But it was also hard to get single mumps vaccine, so some private clinics were illegally importing some with the <b>Urabe</b> mumps strain:<br /><a href="http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20141205150130/http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/pl-p/documents/websiteresources/con2031106.pdf">MEDICINES CONTROL AGENCY TO OBJECT TO IMPORTATION OF UNLICENSED SINGLE URABE STRAIN MUMPS VACCINE</a></p> <p>"Further testing needs to be done on the MMR."</p> <p>Why? For what? It has been used safely since 1978, that is almost forty years. You are making a claim, now support that claim. Provide the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualfied researchers than the present American MMR vaccine causes more harm than measles, mumps and rubella.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346533&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tyWjXxjYfC_qiCATiJuqxg_-rdThB5m53leUeA7I950"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346533">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346535" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482415992"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I think I get it. You are one of those “if you question any vaccine, you are automatically against every vaccine and idolize Jenny McCarthy and hate science” people.</p></blockquote> <p>No, the issues are that you don't bother to defend your assertions and that when they prove to be demonstrably wrong you just try to change to a different babbling point.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346535&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="482CZ0xyo1BR8pCiQ4EQ8-B0JjXPLUqFBkyVn3FZMhM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346535">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346536" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482416418"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Let’s talk about your reading comprehension. It is absolutely terrible.</p></blockquote> <p>The irony, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/02/donald-trump-and-disgraced-antivaccine-scientist-andrew-wakefield-best-buds-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-452614">it burns</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346536&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8gg9jrP5cp1mvrjzZUYguwxKRmUV0AfSANMRs5SlDWs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346536">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346537" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482417198"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Remember, Narad, he does not click on links. Apparently he does not know the blue text goes to another website.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346537&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="D2uLwnUdkSGnZpHnZ0OmlJ_qsMJJ_4eYhMo8wFDtp_E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346537">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346538" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482421973"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>I think I get it. You are one of those “if you question any vaccine, you are automatically against every vaccine and idolize Jenny McCarthy and hate science” people. It couldn’t be that I think the MMR needs further independent study, Thimerosal needs to be eliminated completely, and the schedule has gotten too demanding. Nope. Because it’s all or nothing. Right? Either you trust Merck and the CDC completely and happily inject your kids with whatever they put out. Or, you are a stupid antivaxxer.</i></p> <p>If the shoe fits...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346538&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="W4Chb_PPRxxJCtat12_5DyabjTrfhICSuC2okyUblLM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346538">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346539" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482422064"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I trust my HCPs. I trust my daughter's ped. I trust my HCP family and friends. I trust that they have my family's best interests at hand. I'd hate to live in your world.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346539&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TD7WHqID2bUjgcGZLpHKtupoJX5Ws6SJlhXOOeSgVQE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346539">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346540" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482424237"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6 @218</p> <blockquote><p>I didn’t say it was the dramatic increase in the schedule (which does correlate with the rise in autism).</p></blockquote> <p>But then what did you mean in #226?</p> <blockquote><p> the schedule has gotten too demanding. </p></blockquote> <p>Maybe you didn’t say it as explicitly before, but you have now. Did your position change between your posting those two comments?</p> <p>And, while we’re on the subject, which currently vaccine-preventable diseases do you want your children to suffer?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346540&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gkr7giVWly2VwIQTfBWmlQ8sMwRcf7pW5dP_UxdoEHM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chemmomo (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346540">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346542" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482432756"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>jasryl6: "The MMR hasn’t been proven safe unless you discount the thousands of parents who all have the same story of their child’s regression after the MMR or the studies that show a link. Chemmomo and Chris are taking my words out of context."</p> <p>First you need to prove those thousands of parents actually exist, and are not same folks who keep repeating what they <i>thought</i> happened. The Autism Omnibus Proceeding was set up to deal with the five thousand who filed, so three of the best cases were brought forward. They all lost, and the others with less "evidence" were dismissed:<br /><a href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/omnibus-autism-proceeding">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/omnibus-autism-proceeding</a></p> <p>For the MMR test case, it turned out that video records showed the child had autistic behaviors before she got the vaccine. There is a link to the decisions in the link above.</p> <p>Neither Chemmomo nor I took your words out of context. I directly quoted all of the sentences where you mentioned "non-verbal", "can't care for themselves", the measles deaths were one out of a thousand cases, and there are one in 48 males with autism. You put that jumble together, next time be a bit more clear.</p> <p>And still waiting for any verifiable study by qualified reputable researchers than the MMR vaccine used in the USA since 1978 causes more harm than measles, mumps and rubella.</p> <p>You have also not presented any verifiable evidence dated <b>before</b> 1990 that autism went up during the 1970s and 1980s with the use of the 1971 and 1978 American MMR vaccines.</p> <p>Are you even aware that there are different versions of MMR vaccines? In 1988 the UK introduced <b>three</b> different ones, and then in 1992 withdrew the two that had the Urabe mumps component. Which makes us wonder <b>which</b> MMR vaccine was Wakefield Lancet study on? One of the three that had been introduced in 1988? But why was there an American child? And did he have a plan to study the final replacement MMR vaccine that the UK introduced in 1998?</p> <p>Do you know? Do you even understand? Still, the one used in the USA is almost forty years old, plenty of time for data. So do find those PubMed indexed studies by researchers that it has caused more harm than the diseases.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346542&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b_BwGvf9FL_JwNxdRJWUX-cXS_mLuADI9J3-f6IYHT4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346542">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346543" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482433447"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God."</p> <p>While jasryl6 considers this a devastating insult (why do you hate religion, jasryl6?), in reality the fundamentalist comparison applies nicely to a lot of antivaxers. Not only do they cling to nonsensical dogma, they actually equate their beliefs with religion. Example: the folks over at Age of Autism, who explained their banning of comments from pro-vaccine posters by saying that a church wouldn't allow nonbelievers to come in and make fun of religion.</p> <p>As for parents deliberately trying to infect their kids with measles, I never heard of this before it was reported in the case of some modern antivaxers. Back in pre-vaccine days no one had to have a measles party or its equivalent, since the disease was so commonplace. Kids (like me) just ran the gauntlet of childhood diseases and if we and our parents were fortunate, it just meant being miserably sick and out of school for weeks (if not so lucky, it meant a trip to the hospital, long-term complications or worse).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346543&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Rw-KRKu3xjrTjOUw4_YrljZocUeELe5CRXMCLtD7PGA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346543">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346544" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482435624"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>It’s actually a simple word search. You can search “autism” and find the information.</p></blockquote> <p>No, you can find the entries in the appendices. Without context, they tell you nothing whatever – not even a denominator.</p> <blockquote><p>I’m finished here.</p></blockquote> <p>Do stick the flounce.</p> <blockquote><p>Maybe the rest of the people in your vaccine worship center will see this.</p></blockquote> <p>That you've flounced?</p> <blockquote><p>I have done this once before, and it is amusing but time consuming.</p></blockquote> <p>As compared with composing content-bearing replies to your barrage of random assertions?</p> <blockquote><p>It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God.</p></blockquote> <p>Yes, you've been repeating this ad nauseam. <i>That</i> can't be particularly time-consuming.</p> <blockquote><p>So many people responding. I don’t have time to address them all.</p></blockquote> <p>.</p> <p>You haven't cogently addressed <i>anything</i>. HTH. HAND.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346544&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IgiYjD-k2MCMSiLvsve1IzCJlXoRSMXLbZwwcAxFngY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346544">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346545" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482439628"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God. So many people responding. I don’t have time to address them all. No. They haven’t proven me wrong by siting (sic) information from their own vaccine worship sites.</i></p> <p>Who the cap fit, let them wear it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346545&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XYFPTbsi1qG1Zu0g0mCHdH7RpaK8h0sgH-ThcT-j0QQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346545">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346546" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482441400"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Newest flouncer: "They haven’t proven me wrong by siting information from their own vaccine worship sites."</p> <p>Actually you were proven wrong by not providing actual data to your arguments by blatant assertion. You never gave valid answers to the requests for data to back up those assertions. But how can we expect you to provide a real citation when you cannot spell "citing" correctly?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346546&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sPYGX_W4WVV27mvuULKQsOIAV_eJRvHNDAt4YNrLeF0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346546">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346547" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482452112"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Time for me to move on.</p></blockquote> <p>Typical. Antivaxxer comes in here repeating P.R.A.T.T.s we've seen and refuted before, gets absolutely thrashed, and flounces out.<br /> Oh well, there's always another chew toy out there.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346547&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H9Yx2eVNbN8QBZves97J7DAwlWv0BKpF_llLlBJkrng"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 22 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346547">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346548" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482591253"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I see that AoA is <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/12/ecowatch-early-pregnancy-flu-shots-new-research-hints-of-autism-link.html">enjoying its new toy</a>, the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/02/donald-trump-and-disgraced-antivaccine-scientist-andrew-wakefield-best-buds-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-452640">previously mentioned</a>, sinister Bonferroni correction. Ergo, thimerosal increases intelligence.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346548&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6Xco2qC7b0c15n5BWiI_IRL81Cu39Bk2U2d--6PpiFk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346548">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346549" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1482593998"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^ Ah, it's also <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/12/seven-major-flaws-in-zerbo-et-al-2016-association-between-influenza-infection-and-vaccination-during.html">warmed-over</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346549&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N-k4D1iVswXXcnTuXB3bJOfF3nuy3vXw86jODd4EkT0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346549">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346550" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484474829"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Be careful about calling anyone a liar. It is not only libelling but unprofessional for anyone who calls him/herself a journalist. Let me inform you that I know hundreds of families whose entire life was destroyed by immense vaccination. In many cases children were videotaped or photographed before and after that. The difference is visible and shocking. If you had seen an infant like that with your eyes you would also say there sholud be more sensibly planned vaccination scheme and vaccines sholud be given later and and only one at a time. They should also be tested for safety again and some dangerous and allergic components should be removed. That's what Andrew Wakefield and Del Bigtree's film is campaigning for. That is the truth and I wonder if you have the sense of justice to post this uncensored.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346550&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-SmTcRPu_1H4uiuVE8IP7H13SPLh3O_9PDhZDp2ItX0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kristina (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346550">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1346551" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484489304"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Trump is a liar, and I can say that as much as I like to because he is President-Elect. As for Wakefield, I said he's either stupid or a liar, take your pick.</p> <p>Also, vaccines ARE already among the most heavily tested pharmaceuticals in existence. Bigtree and Wakefield are ignorant, and their film is such a shameless piece of propaganda that it'd make Leni Reifenstahl, if she were still alive, gasp and say, "<em>Zu viel</em>!"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346551&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_r9UD8tKRanp1_cRVw_pGvGaUSaZQrpPt0ty60jwAHs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346551">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346552" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484490548"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>anyone who calls him/herself a journalist.</i><br /> I can't see anyone in this thread calling him / herself a journalist, which leaves me wondering whether Kristina is mistakenly responding to some other blog entirely.</p> <p><i>In many cases children were videotaped or photographed before and after that. The difference is visible and shocking.</i><br /> She also mistakenly forgot to link to the evidence for her claims.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346552&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FHJ8__ltf-ROWLIDR31W-vkhuuK9lqQh7ViIFtYgKPE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346552">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346553" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484491036"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Trump is a liar, and I can say that as much as I like to because he is President-Elect.</p></blockquote> <p>Given that the proposition is easily demonstrable, the public-figure standard isn't really needed.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346553&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rG_gUjkh6MTnPEEE1EzJIAolWF2tNbs-YXrywjndklY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346553">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346554" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484494745"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Orac, given that Mr. Wakefield has been proven to have published fraudulent research on vaccines, I think it would be quite safe to call him a liar. He'd have a hard time suing someone for defamation for calling him one over the subject given his history, even in Britain.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346554&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EaD3pNybe0CTVqkcLlGtO7SeD-X6oI0Il98ibflohz4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Panacea (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346554">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346555" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484496217"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>[Wakefield ]’d have a hard time suing someone for defamation for calling him one over the subject given his history</i></p> <p>You will recall his various gestures in the direction of defamation suits, generally abandoned at the last minute coitus-interruptus-style just before an actual appearance in court, almost as if their real purpose was sucker-bait.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346555&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AaZU8LhaRP8RSQoi85qmGzPXgwhuEjiHFTO8mWuftg4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346555">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346556" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485375163"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In all my anxiety stemming from this horrible new Trump status of America, I couldn't find one reason to like him...I searched and searched for something good about Trump -nothing. Until just now! Thank you for this article. Finally, I agree with Trump on something. I wonder what a smart person would say about you calling Trump/Wakefield a name that, instead, was your own unconscious truth slipping out for the 2nd time, the 1st being when you named yourself Orac, you Quack? Can we at least laugh at your Freudian slip moment? Or, don't you see it occurred? Factoring in the cliche' 'it takes one to know one', the probability is that you don't. And, by the way, science or critical thinking aren't your "thang". Tata dummy</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346556&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TqPBnx4u77cn2264dV5LItghTfazksfCXnIZyPIgbq8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Heather Wahlquist (not verified)</span> on 25 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1346556">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/insolence/2016/11/02/donald-trump-and-disgraced-antivaccine-scientist-andrew-wakefield-best-buds-forever%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 02 Nov 2016 02:00:02 +0000 oracknows 22422 at https://scienceblogs.com Antivaccine activists gleefully attack and dox a 12-year-old boy who made a pro-vaccine video https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/06/08/antivaccine-activists-gleefully-attack-and-dox-a-12-year-old-boy-who-made-a-pro-vaccine-video <span>Antivaccine activists gleefully attack and dox a 12-year-old boy who made a pro-vaccine video</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If there’s one thing I’ve learned about the antivaccine movement, it’s that its members dislike being criticized. Oh, hell, let’s be honest. The really, really hate criticism and react very, very badly to it. Whereas you or I or other skeptics might react to criticism by trying to address it using facts, science, and reason, the first reaction of many antivaccine loons is to attack, attack, attack.</p> <p>They use a variety of methods to attack. One of their very favorite methods of attack when faced with a pseudonymous blogger is to do everything they can to “out” him or her, revealing name and place of employment, so that they can harass him or her at work. I’ve been subject to this sort of treatment multiple times over the last 11 years, most recently by one of the quackiest of all Internet quacks, who has <a href="https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/editorial-staff/david-h-gorski-md-phd-managing-editor/">intentionally dragged</a> my cancer center into his attacks on me, <a href="https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/behold-my-power-quacks-and-despair/">trying to link me</a> to a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/08/13/quackery-of-a-different-kind-than-i-usually-write-about/">criminal oncologist who was convicted</a> of Medicare fraud for making tens of millions of dollars administering chemotherapy to patients who didn’t need it, many of whom didn’t even have cancer. Back in 2010, I was subjected to a letter-writing campaign to the dean and board of governors of my university to try to get me fired. Fortunately, in both cases, my university and cancer center stood by me. Another favored method is to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/03/10/once-again-facebook-reporting-algorithms-facilitate-harassment-of-pro-science-advocates-by-antivaccine-cranks/">abuse Facebook reporting algorithms</a> to get Facebook to issue temporary bans to pro-science vaccine advocates. They even <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/04/01/an-antivaccine-activists-explains-how-she-uses-facebook-reporting-algorithms-to-harass-and-silence-pro-science-bloggers/">brag about how they do it</a>. Cyberstalking and harassment are their modus operandi. Don't believe me? <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/06/08/why-twitter-gave-a-womans-home-address-to-her-cyberstalkers">Ask Renee</a>.</p> <!--more--><p>I had always thought, though, that there were limits. I started to learn I was wrong a couple of years ago when antivaccine activists <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/05/09/antivaccine-activists-attack-and-bully-high-school-filmmakers-over-a-student-vaccine-documentary/">harassed a group of high school students</a> in Carlsbad, CA who had made a pro-vaccine documentary as part of their broadcast class. I thought that was as low as antivaccinationists would go. I was wrong. In fact, just this week I realized just how wrong I had been when I learned about the case of a 12-year-old Mexican boy named Marco Arturo. Arturo, as you might have heard, made this <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ScienceMarco/videos/224150204636173/">viral video</a>:</p> <div align="center"> <iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FScienceMarco%2Fvideos%2F224150204636173%2F&amp;show_text=1&amp;width=560" width="560" height="400" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true"></iframe></div> <p>This video now has over 7 million views. I love this kid.</p> <p>As I said when I saw this video, I think I see a future contributor to my not-so-super-secret other blog. In fact, the only criticism I got for saying that was that I said I saw him potentially contributing in five or ten years, and people thought he could potentially be contributing now.</p> <p>Now, you might think that antivaccinationists might at least try to be nicer while addressing Arturo’s wonderfully sarcastic characterization of vaccine-autism pseudoscience. He is, after all, a 12-year-old kid. In the world of adults, it is (or should be) considered unseemly to “beat up” on a 12-year-old kid. It’s too much “punching down,” and punching down is generally an indication of weakness.</p> <p>Indeed, before I discuss the reactions of the antivaccine movement to Arturo further, I can’t help but remember my interactions with one “boy wonder” of the antivaccine movement, Jake Crosby. When I first encountered him online, he was in high school. By the time he was in college, I felt the need to rebut some misinformation he started spreading about the ScienceBlogs blog network, but I was very conscious of the fact that he was at the time (I believe) a freshman in college and “on the spectrum” as well. So if you go back and read my <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/09/23/a-crazy-mixed-up-kid-comes-up-with-a-cra/">original two deconstructions</a> of his conspiracy-laden posts, you’ll notice that I <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/09/24/a-crazy-mixed-up-kid-comes-up-with-a-cra-1/">treated Crosby with kid gloves</a>. It wasn’t until much later, when Crosby was the one to publish a libel-filled post about me accusing me of an undisclosed conflict of interest, which was what precipitated the letter-writing campaign against me in 2010, that I felt comfortable taking the gloves off dealing with him. When I actually met him in person after a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/03/30/funny-how-you-never-see-orac-and-this-person-in-the-same-place-at-the-same-time/">talk in 2013</a>, after which he called me a liar during the “meet and greet” that I did afterward, I simply said, “We’re done,” and walked away. I might not have acquitted myself as well as I would have liked to, but by this time he was finishing college. He was a young man. I felt comfortable treating him like a man, and when a fully grown man or woman launches unjustified criticisms at me, I will respond.</p> <p>Thinking of Arturo, I wondered how I would have described if Jake had been 12 years old when I first encountered him and had, for example, made an antivaccine version of a video like Arturo’s. Certainly, I wouldn’t have treated him the way antivaccine loons have been treating Arturo. In fact, antivaccine loons have been <a href="https://epidemiological.net/2016/06/05/the-fear-a-12-year-old-mexican-can-raise/">absolutely losing their mind over Arturo’s video</a>. For example, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/RtAVM/photos/a.414675905269091.96547.414643305272351/1133289623407712/">this meme</a> collects some of the attacks:</p> <p><a href="/files/insolence/files/2016/06/ArturoMeme.jpg"><img src="/files/insolence/files/2016/06/ArturoMeme.jpg" alt="Marco Arturo Meme" width="600" height="536" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-10270" /></a></p> <p>As a commenter put it, antivaccine beliefs must be incredibly fragile if a 12-year-old posting a snarky video to YouTube can threaten them so much. Most twelve year old kids would likely be intimidated by such a barrage of criticism and hatred, but Arturo handled it well:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">You've seen 12-yo Marco Arturo's vaccine video. Now see him completely own a condescending antivaxxer. <a href="https://t.co/VXYxW2HOJL">pic.twitter.com/VXYxW2HOJL</a></p> <p>— Doc Bastard (@DocBastard) <a href="https://twitter.com/DocBastard/status/738696401220210688">June 3, 2016</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> And:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Marco Arturo. Killing it. <a href="https://t.co/X9yVAKgw0Z">pic.twitter.com/X9yVAKgw0Z</a></p> <p>— Doc Bastard (@DocBastard) <a href="https://twitter.com/DocBastard/status/739865671023091716">June 6, 2016</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> When I was twelve, I was reading <em>The Lord of the Rings</em> and other science fiction/fantasy novels, doing my schoolwork, building model airplanes and rockets, and trying—and, truth be told, failing miserably—to be halfway decent at playing baseball and soccer. Of course, the Internet didn’t really exist then (at least, it was only available to a few academics at universities); so it’s impossible to tell what I would have been doing if I were 12 today, but you get the point.</p> <p>Of all the antivaccinationists who made a run at Marco Arturo, the craziest of the crazy, the one who lost her mind way more than any other, the one who isn’t the least bit embarrassed about punching down and harassing a kid was the pseudonymous antivaccine blogger who goes by the ‘nym Levi Quackenboss. We’ve <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/?s=%22Levi+Quackenboss%22">met her before</a>. She has a history of going ballistic over pro-vaccine advocacy, such as when <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/08/31/the-cdc-promotes-vaccination-and-antivaccinationists-lose-it/">she lost it</a> over an uncontroversial and rather bland CDC social media campaign promoting vaccination. More recently, she was blaming the Zika virus outbreak on—wait for it!—<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/02/11/zika-virus-and-microcephaly-antivaccine-warriors-say-its-vaccines-that-did-it/">vaccines</a>.</p> <p>Quackenboss couldn’t just let Arturo’s video go. Oh, no. She couldn’t stand it. In fact, she couldn’t stand it so much that she tried to dox him. (Doxxing, in case you’re not familiar with it, is the same thing as “outing” a pseudonymous or anonymous commenter or blogger.) Yes, Quackenboss <a href="https://karenvaxblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/anti-vaxxers-dox-a-child/comment-page-1/#comment-194">tried to dox a child</a>. First, however, she couldn’t resist lecturing Arturo, in the process laying down a whole <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/02/ive-got-an-empty-folder-for-you-marco/" rel="”nofollow”">heaping helping of antivaccine misinformation first</a> of the sort that I’ve deconstructed many, many times here, including the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/10/26/the-toxin-gambit-resurrected/">“toxins” gambit</a>, the “<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/11/21/mandatory-reading-to-rebut-the-antivacci/">too many too soon</a>” gambit, false claims that the inactivated polio vaccine doesn’t prevent polio, the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/09/11/a-zombie-meme-rises-from-the-grave-maurice-hilleman-the-polio-vaccine-sv40-and-cancer/">myth that polio vaccine contaminated with SV40</a> has caused an epidemic of cancer, the “<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/?s=%22CDC+whistleblower%22+fraud+William+Thompson">CDC whistleblower</a>” conspiracy theory, and even the conspiracy theory promulgated by Kenyan bishops that those evil tetanus vaccine campaigns are <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/11/13/catholic-doctors-and-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/">rendering Kenyan girls infertile</a>. She concludes:</p> <blockquote><p> Look, clearly you’re a smart kid in your knockoff Polo shirt and your eyeglasses that look like wraparound safety goggles. I trust that one day you’re going to figure out that you’ve been lied to, not only by your parents but by your government and the leaders of this world, and you’re going to look back on this insulting video and say, “God, what a little prick I was.”</p> <p>And that’s OK, Marco. We’ll be here for you when you do.</p> <p>PS</p> <p>I do love how the people who are outraged that anyone would “attack a 12 year old child” are the same people who lobby for 12 year old children to legally consent to multiple vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases and hormonal birth control so that they can enjoy their sex lives without their parents knowing. Which is it? </p></blockquote> <p>Calling a 12-year-old boy a “prick” while making snide comments about him being a nerd? Stay classy, Quackenboss. Stay classy. As for the last analogy, it just shows you where Quackenboss is coming from, and it’s not a good place. She’s perfectly happy to compare apples to oranges to justify her attacking a 12-year-old, of punching down, and she does so cowering behind a pseudonym. (And, before anyone mentions <em>my</em> pseudonym, I’ll point out that my real identity is one of the worst-kept secrets of the skeptical blogosphere and that Quackenboss can find my name on this very blog very easily, should she so desire.) Hypocrisy, thy name is Quackenboss, particularly given that she never blogs under her real name and even does interviews anonymously with friendly quack outlets like <a href="http://www.healthnutnews.com/exclusive-interview-levi-quackenboss-vaccines/" rel="nofollow">Health Nut News</a>. It’s hard not to conclude that she is, as she called Arturo, a prick, particularly when she writes:</p> <blockquote><p> So who is Marco? I’m not going to post his full name out of respect for him and his parents as well as their safety, but they’ve been a little sloppy about making trails to it so they should clean that up. The last names his parents use are not the name that he uses on social media. Marco has been giving oratory performances like movie monologues since he was an adorable small child, as seen on his mom’s Youtube page, and which, as a commenter said on my last post, is common in the culture. He has a self-published book on Astronomy that came out last year. He was invited to give a speech on Science and Technology in his town. </p></blockquote> <p>As <a href="https://karenvaxblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/anti-vaxxers-dox-a-child/comment-page-1/#comment-194">Karen Ernst notes</a>, yes, Marco Arturo didn’t use his full name, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t known. It’s just rather long.</p> <p>Next up, Quackenboss was particularly angered by a meme going around showing Marco Arturo “dropping the mic”:</p> <iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FScienceMarco%2Fposts%2F229616900756170&amp;width=500" width="500" height="530" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true"></iframe><p> This led the ever-vile Quackenboss to accuse Arturo of being manipulated by his parents, of being <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/to-every-sucker-who-thinks-a-12-year-old-is-lecturing-on-immunology/" rel="”nofollow”">nothing more than a puppet</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Apparently it is not obvious to 50,000 people on this planet that 12-year old Marco in Mexico is pretending to be the Wizard of Autism while his parents are behind the keyboard, catfishing every idiot who wants to believe he’s a boy genius.</p> <p>He’s a smart kid, no doubt, especially for his ability to talk a mile a minute in a second language, and the apparent talent he has for a good rant, although only after it’s heavily edited to take out any downtime. I’m sure he’s even smarter than that, but you have to be a new kind of gullible to believe for one moment that this child is firing off the retorts attributed to his name on his Facebook page.</p> <p>Think for a second about what you were doing when you were 12. I was catching crawdads in the creek, riding my bike, and maybe once or twice that summer I looked at tadpole eggs under my microscope. </p></blockquote> <p>And:</p> <blockquote><p> So people, you’re not interacting with Marco. You’re not reading Marco. Even in the video, you’re not truly listening to Marco. His parents have made him into a pawn. They tell him what to believe and what to say, then edited it to make him look like a debate genius. Marco, as you think you know him, does not exist. The only true Marco on Facebook is the one talking about his love of little green lizards. </p></blockquote> <p>She also asks, “You know what I wasn’t doing?” after which she expresses extreme incredulity that it is a 12-year-old kid writing the responses to the antivaccine loons attacking him. She can’t imagine that he can use words that big or write as well as he does (or troll antivaccine twits like her as expertly as he does). Well, I’m sorry Levi Quackenboss wasn’t as intelligent and well-educated when she was 12 as Arturo is, but I can say that I could write almost as well as Arturo when I was 12 or 13, and had social media and the Internet existed back then, allowing me to type and instantly edit what I write, I might have been as good as he is. There's no way of knowing. (Or I probably wouldn't have been; apparently Arturo has already written a book on evolution.) What I do know is that there are exceptional 12 year olds like Marco Arturo. Why does Quackenboss have trouble believing it? Could it be...racism? After all, she does spend a lot of her incredulity in her posts about Arturo not believing a kid from Mexico could be so smart and implying (hell, outright saying) that he must be being manipulated or serving as nothing more than an actor reading lines written by adults.</p> <p>Be that as it may, Quackenboss’ next move is, predictably, to insinuate conspiracy—and to <a href="https://karenvaxblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/anti-vaxxers-dox-a-child/comment-page-1/#comment-194">go further in trying to dox Marco Arturo</a> in a post asking <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/is-marco-arturo-the-prodigy-a-hoax/" rel="”nofollow”">Is Marco Arturo the prodigy a hoax?</a> First, she brags about “hundreds of parents of vaccine-injured children” complaining to Walgreens about an article featuring Arturo. Then she dives into the conspiracy mongering:</p> <blockquote><p> In case you missed it, on May 30th Ashton Kutcher shared Marco’s video as a story on Kutcher’s media site A Plus. By then it was starting to go viral, so it’s no surprise that Kutcher’s Buzzfeed-like website picked it up, right?</p> <p>Maybe. Maybe they came across it on their own. Maybe on May 30th it was just good fortune that this previously unknown 12-year old in Mexico had someone notify him about Ashton Kutcher’s Facebook status when he was standing by with his smartphone, because that kid shared Kutcher’s post within 21 minutes of it going up. A pretty impressive social media sprint for an unknown kid, but whatever. </p></blockquote> <p>What set her off was this post:</p> <iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FScienceMarco%2Fposts%2F227697387614788&amp;width=500" width="500" height="567" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true"></iframe><p> Which she characterized as ““Ho hum, here we go again with an American celebrity sharing my homemade backyard video to his 17 million followers.” Oddly enough, I didn’t see it that way. It seemed like a happy post. Quackenboss makes much of the fact that this post had been live since May 27 and Arturo’s Facebook post was dated May 30, leading her to ask, “How did Ashton Kutcher’s company already know about Marco on May 27th? Hardly anyone had even seen the two videos on Marco’s page because the page didn’t exist until May 24th.”</p> <p>Well, if you look at the A Plus post, it tells you. It says, “H/T: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SkepticismAndScience">A Science Enthusiast</a>,” who had <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SkepticismAndScience/posts/1275925669102542">shared Arturo’s video on his Facebook page on May 25</a>.</p> <p>Arturo’s video had been posted his own video to his own page a mere 24 hours before, on May 24. Quackenboss makes much of how Arturo’s video had only started to “go viral,” but A Science Enthusiast (ASE) has a very popular Facebook page, with nearly 140,000 likes. Did it ever occur to her that it was ASE’s sharing Arturo’s video that was a major factor in making it go viral? Of course not. That wouldn’t feed her conspiracy theory. It’s profoundly dumb to wonder how Ashton Kutcher’s website could possibly have discovered Arturo’s video after it had been up for three days, particularly given that it shared it a mere two days after a large pro-science Facebook page had shared it. It’s the Internet, for cryin’ out loud! Three days—even two days—is a time period that might as well be a lifetime! That’s how fast things move.</p> <p>Be that as it may, Quackenboss is convinced that Ashton Kutcher’s website, Arturo’s family, and Walgreens were all in cahoots to deliver pro-vaccine propaganda to the masses. (Gee, she says that as though it were a <em>bad</em> thing.) She repeats that claim in a <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/the-real-marco-arturo-mic-drop/" rel="”nofollow”">post from yesterday</a>, complete with a video.</p> <p>I note that Quackenboss has no sense of shame. <a href="https://karenvaxblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/anti-vaxxers-dox-a-child/comment-page-1/#comment-194">Ernst notes</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> The doxing included in the Quackenboss post included the names of his stepfather and his mother and some employment information regarding his stepfather. A screenshot of the stepfather’s Facebook page included the name of their hometown. This information not only makes it easy to harass Marco and his family, but collating together could incite that harassment. </p></blockquote> <p>Correct. <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/is-marco-arturo-the-prodigy-a-hoax/" rel="”nofollow”">Quackenboss’ post</a> includes Marco Arturo’s stepfather’s name, some employment information, noting:</p> <blockquote><p> Update: for everyone crying that gathering information from public records and social media is “doxing” and illegal, you’re better off filing a class action against Radaris, US Search, ZoomInfo and Intelius– and they would provide the private Facebook page, address and phone number that I didn’t. Educate yourselves or take your tears elsewhere. </p></blockquote> <p>Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s illegal. That doesn’t mean that it’s right or honorable. It isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that I can’t justifiably say that Quackenboss is a cowardly, despicable, vile and hypocritical human being, worthy of nothing more than my utter contempt (which is all she gets) for posting this information with the obvious intent to incite harassment of Marco Arturo and his family. Then she drops a conspiracy theory, without any evidence or justification, that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerardo_Ochoa_Vargas">Dr. Gerardo Ochoa Vargas</a> is really behind Arturo’s posts. Meanwhile, the merry band of antivaccine activists at that wretched hive of scum and quackery, Age of Autism, are <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/06/the-pr-hoax-of-the-marco-arturo-vaxxer-viral-video.html" rel="nofollow">loving this</a>.</p> <p>I’ll tell you what, Ms. Quackenboss. Post your attacks under your own name—your <em>real</em> name—and maybe I’ll find you somewhat less odious. On second thought, I probably won’t. But at least I probably wouldn’t find you to be quite as massive a hypocrite as I do now. I would be laughing at your idiocy now, but you're just to nasty a piece of work for that in this case.</p> <p><strong>ADDENDUM:</strong> Apparently Levi Quackenboss knows no lower bound as far as disgusting behavior goes. She's still at it—<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/06/10/a-particularly-odious-antivaccine-warrior-doubles-down-on-her-attacks-on-a-12-year-old-boy-who-made-a-pro-vaccine-video/">doubling down</a>, even.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a></span> <span>Tue, 06/07/2016 - 21:08</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pseudoscience" hreflang="en">Pseudoscience</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quackery-0" hreflang="en">Quackery</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/skepticismcritical-thinking" hreflang="en">Skepticism/Critical Thinking</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/antivaccine" hreflang="en">antivaccine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dox" hreflang="en">dox</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/doxxing" hreflang="en">doxxing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jake-crosby" hreflang="en">Jake Crosby</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/levi-quackenboss" hreflang="en">Levi Quackenboss</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/marco-arturo" hreflang="en">Marco Arturo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mexico" hreflang="en">Mexico</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vaccines" hreflang="en">vaccines</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336345" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465349800"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been doxed a couple of times, with one occasion having the doxer also have the poor graces to threaten to kill everyone in my home.<br /> Being one who is legendary for poor reactions to being threatened, I explained my military background, my military occupational specialty, my proficiency with hand to hand combat, edged weapons and the fact that I am a competition shooter and small arms expert and that whoever came onto my property with harm in mind would depart in two bags.<br /> I also explained that only if I were feeling charitable would a firearm be used, which would be quite unlikely.<br /> The individual in question broke off contact.</p> <p>Hmm, what was I doing at age 12? Well, I had testing that showed my vocabulary, reading rate and comprehension was junior college level, I was in the electron microscope club at school (the school district had a handful of electron microscopes donated to it) and was repairing radios as a hobby.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336345&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zJ8ORNTN8hcsbVo_xk9Sof81QO6MKQYjoU5-PrajNoY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 07 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336345">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336346" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465354205"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Such a sad state of affairs. Thanks for your articles in spite of the hatred and attacks. Keep up the good work!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336346&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fEEIpWRanPqOsT-OWpzzUC2tQgTqqeGvGz-x2Xt-bH4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Psych Nairo (not verified)</span> on 07 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336346">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336347" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465357589"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ironic that an anti-vaxxer doesn't seem to understand how quickly something can spread when it's viral...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336347&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vOWmjw_I47ALoFismWEY6Pbga6izhRcMQ7pidPD3QR8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Waller (not verified)</span> on 07 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336347">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336348" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465357685"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The antivax movement is a cult, and just like any other cult it is completely unable to tolerate dissent. They behave exactly as scientology does, and for exactly the same reasons.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336348&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vA8gw64AdLfZxmW7wHclt42Jvf5Sf0_NrNiNS0DvcDU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Guy Chapman (not verified)</span> on 07 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336348">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336349" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465358286"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I see Bob the wannabe libertarian is up to his old tricks. (IIRC this Bob is one of our old trolls; the beliefs and arguments fit, anyway)<br /> Calling a kid posting youtube videos a "misfit"? OK, as a real misfit myself, I just needed this reminder that he is a waste of molecules.<br /> Marco, you said in your answer you had 4 passes already at trying to make him understand. Don't bother. Here at RI, the regulars tried for a decade and didn't made a dent.</p> <p>As for Quackenboss, I would believe she has a few issues of her own. Well, her little rant about Gardasil and the pill seems to indicate she is uncomfortable considering that teenagers may have sex. </p> <blockquote><p>so that they can enjoy their sex lives without their parents knowing</p></blockquote> <p>Correction.<br /> Her issue is with teenagers having sex, enjoying it and not getting punished for it by catching HIV or becoming pregnant.<br /> I'm heroically resisting the urge to crack a ribald joke about the "without their parents knowing" part.<br /> Because, well, I'm not sure I approve of Quackenboss discussing teenager sex with a 12-year old on the internet.</p> <p>I have to be careful, I'm not objective here. Watching big bullies taking on a bespectacled kid who is also a well-read science enthusiast brings back bad memories.<br /> Although I was never that articulate and didn't publish any book.<br /> Yes, I have a new hero. You rock, boy. Be careful outa here, it's a big world.</p> <p>@ Wzrd1</p> <blockquote><p>I was in the electron microscope club at school</p></blockquote> <p>You lucky <a href="mailto:b@stard">b@stard</a>. Now I'm drooling and reflecting on my misspent youth.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336349&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0iWtzKzLOm9vx7oPgluq5eOfrxrsRlTwCbI3CW3aOMI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 07 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336349">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336350" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465360023"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jeez, I thought this kind of stuff was more common with Meryl Dorey and her band down in Australia. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given how the anti-vaccine movement has gotten more militant post-SB277.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336350&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="knwgldYj4AZcBxvndqOU2p7R4t3jtDL7ks0CE2gVb2E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sebastian Jackson (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336350">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336351" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465360436"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And now, in an equally classy move, Age of Idiocy has promoted Quackenboss / Robyn Ross's bullying piece. </p> <p>Nice.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336351&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Val5LhitdndN_jrXhjmBNglKqszEL0HWWCsv4cy7l90"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rebecca Fisher (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336351">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336352" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465360698"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I’m not going to post his full name out of respect for him and his parents as well as their safety</p></blockquote> <p>And just like that she freely admitted what a despicable bunch of delusional psychos antivaxxers truly are. Well done, you stupid bitch.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336352&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4pp9hzCsEk13zqMuodDPZQOCACgwHyxGXxslMyUqRSY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Moon (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336352">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336353" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465367124"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Helianthus #5<br /> Yeah, I had basically the same reaction as you when reading her "interesting" position on sexuality. WTF. I suppose she is also against girls going to a gynecologist withtout their parents' permission ?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336353&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X1eEwvLe6LdBQknWWvCHAqXcdSPcr3iTDSjr_SOzG2U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">LouV (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336353">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336354" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465369547"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Yeah, I had basically the same reaction as you when reading her “interesting” position on sexuality. WTF. I suppose she is also against girls going to a gynecologist withtout their parents’ permission ?</i></p> <p>Children are <i>property</i>not actual people. To the narcissists in the anti-vaccine movement (and that's a whole lot of them) children are merely an extension of themselves.</p> <p>Quackenhoove can't believe a 12 year old is capable of being exceptional, because a. she has zero grasp of history and b. exceptional people don't frequent her realm.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336354&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eI1vR0-IxPdoN-8rjr1Hlz5Dn8Vjy0_rT95egGqXJYY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336354">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336355" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465369776"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am really impressed with this kid, and he's only 12. If I owned a medical school, I would offer him admission in advance right now. I hope he goes that route, and he should put that video and his responses to the flames on his application. He'll be nipping at your heels before you know it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336355&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Aq7gLJQZxroig7c4Bv6EJBgXSGEY97uwVCqIDYn5BUI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Finfer, MD (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336355">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336356" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465370547"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Marco Arturo is performing a CQI quality check on AVers, showing for all to see that there are no AVers smarter than a 12 year-old. So, of course, AVers being the utter imbeciles they are, fight back with all the grace, manners and intelligence of Biff Tannen from <i> Back to the Future </i>, not realizing the Marco McFly has their number. </p> <p>This reprehensible behavior of AVers is completely consistent with how they also mistreated students at Carlsbad High School who made the vaccine documentary "Invisible Threat" in 2014 for which AVers gave them flaming piles of AV poop for their efforts ( <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/05/09/antivaccine-activists-attack-and-bully-high-school-filmmakers-over-a-student-vaccine-documentary/">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/05/09/antivaccine-activists-atta…</a> ). How much more must it p*ss off AVers when a junior high student rubs their nose in the dirt and shows them the door with the brown suppository. The irony meters are blowing breakers left and right as the same AVers who claim to so care for children (especially their own oh-so-special-and-superior snowflakes) become vicious rabid skunks in going after Marco Arturo. I'm fairly certain had I had the internet growing up I could have attained by age 12 year a level or S &amp; I (snark and insolence) comparable to Marco, who clearly does not suffer AVers one bit.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336356&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hfAe36kypU5iCTJIaTdwsOCQH4E7gVR3SbYrTk0E-hU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Hickie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336356">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336357" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465371573"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The antivax movement is a cult</p></blockquote> <p>Quackenboss's pseudonym may be more appropriate than she realizes. The name Levi is derived from the Hebrew word for priest.</p> <blockquote><p>Ironic that an anti-vaxxer doesn’t seem to understand how quickly something can spread when it’s viral…</p></blockquote> <p>Not ironic at all. They have demonstrated by their opposition to vaccines that they are unclear on that very concept.</p> <p>I, too, had a fairly large vocabulary when I was 12, and I knew several other kids who did. I probably wouldn't have had the confidence to post a video like that even if the capability had existed back in the day, but some of the other kids I knew might have. I hope Marco sticks with it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336357&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8dep3aOQ7c2yZK4_nsSCaPA8P0gxf0v1l8gh6XuSq8I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336357">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336358" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465372200"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Delphine</p> <blockquote><p>Quackenhoove can’t believe a 12 year old is capable of being exceptional, because a. she has zero grasp of history and b. exceptional people don’t frequent her realm.</p></blockquote> <p>.</p> <p>She and a lot of AVers, judging from the comments reported here and on Epi's blog, including a live one.<br /> Unfortunately, they are not even exceptional in being gullible or unhinged. They display well-distributed human tendencies.<br /> But regarding Quackenboss, I'm tempted to say that the most of the real world doesn't frequent her realm.</p> <p>@ LouV</p> <blockquote><p> I suppose she is also against girls going to a gynecologist without their parents’ permission ?</p></blockquote> <p>Oi, that's the position of moderate people (for a specific value of "moderate").<br /> I think she would be against girls going to a gynecologist without their parents, period. Mostly just to be sure the doctor doesn't slip in an HPV vaccine or a French letter.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336358&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Hkdavky-6L5h8bYtssoeR_r9I9elXvbcVcEXgM-Nnzg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336358">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336359" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465372329"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This does not surprise me in the least. These people care nothing about children, only about themselves. If they really loved children, they wouldn't be so eager to expose fetuses to measles and rubella. Nor would they brag gleefully about watching their children suffer with whooping cough. I say, put them in an iron lung for a day with a bad case of shingles. Yes, I am repeating myself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336359&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8CvCVs6_obMY8Q04rMUovMlOY5sRoeoKWH49OznIjdU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ellie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336359">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336360" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465373258"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lots of respect for Marco Arturo. He shows he is far more civilised than the anti-vaccinanionists. He fights his opponents with carefully worded arguments, while they can just play the bully, without any arguments to oppose him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336360&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3O4IJBE-ouMXA1p45Ac8DcpvyeCgvr396lngfBEUWqc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Renate (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336360">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336361" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465373886"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>To Wzrd1 #1:<br /> Holy mackerel!<br /> Might you be… Dolph Lundgren?</p> <p>Are any of the Marvel characters loosely based on your life?</p> <p>//////////////<br /> To Guy Chapman #4:</p> <p>“The antivax movement is a cult, and just like any other cult it is completely unable to tolerate dissent. They behave exactly as scientology does, and for exactly the same reasons.”</p> <p>I first read that too quickly and thought you were talking about the Climate Changers!<br /> (And you would have been right.)<br /> ////////////////</p> <p>As for Marco, he’s obviously a very precocious pre-teen, with a book already under his belt.<br /> Unfortunately, it was on “evolutionary” biology, among other things.<br /> I’ll cut him some slack. He’s still very young and still has lots of learnin’ to do.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336361&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2jQm4dnNVPFllvkN3TMSWqFNf1f7u5xzx1aWPPidJ5w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">See Noevo (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336361">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336362" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465374399"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The antivaxxers, some of them, are just in too deep. Their entire lives center around this conspiracy, to the point where finding out it is not true would basically mean to each member that the last X years of his or her life was a waste of time and energy. Kind of like how religious people get mad when you say all their efforts to be rewarded in the afterlife may have been pointless (I don't use that phrase in the discussion, but the idea gets conveyed).</p> <p>Sadly, and I've said this many times, this belief structure probably won't go away until a community has a large enough anti-vaccidiot population that leads to an epidemic of a preventable disease. Clearly ten or twenty dying to measles isn't enough for them, which is incredibly sad. But one day, an anti-vaccidiot "compound" will emerge, a hundred of them will die of polio, including children who did nothing wrong but listen to their foolish parents. It will be an incredibly sad day. However, research doesn't work, the cult assumes it's all a scam by big pharma. Science doesn't work, again all a paid-for scam. And a dozen infections from Disneyworld doesn't work in California. It will take an awful reminder of the damage these diseases can do.</p> <p>It sucks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336362&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="opINYem9Hg-5IF7ElA3eO0J_0ZBLJfUEHA69U1tUDDQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zach (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336362">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336363" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465374559"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, you take people like this Quacken-jerk and multiply them by 13 million and the rise of Donald Trump becomes quite explicable</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336363&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9Nb1MUoscihQninQlZkC9Jqhj8wdXKNqH8T0VzMhkek"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chet (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336363">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336364" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465374782"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Schechter calls Marco a misfit?</p> <p>That's hilarious right there: Marco doesn't have a facebook page that encourages parents to avoid SBM for their children.<br /> see the Vaccine Machine facebook</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336364&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3xqiPV9BouvgD4NWrFfBvmbBbtiPsM1dfVc5U1qfmHg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336364">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336365" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465375209"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@SN</p> <blockquote><p>As for Marco, he’s obviously a very precocious pre-teen, with a book already under his belt. Unfortunately, it was on “evolutionary” biology, among other things.<br /> I’ll cut him some slack. He’s still very young and still has lots of learnin’ to do.</p></blockquote> <p>As long as he doesn't take lessons from you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336365&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="n5tn-T-SWrVlB8LfUWcZ7oJZcP9KOSMsz1CZT4YU0bs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Renate (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336365">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336366" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465375421"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>To my knowledge, it's not illegal. It's still doxing and as you say, contemptible. </p> <p>It's even more hypocritical that people who want to raise the mantel of parents - who presumably care about children - have so little regard for the safety and well being of this precocious and bright boy.</p> <p>I hope fence sitters consider what this tells us about anti vaccine activists.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336366&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vO5WK1Qi1Ey9r2CGIPbe3KXZgsnyJUCpYdda3_ZJpcc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336366">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336367" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465375718"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>he has a youtube channel<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8zWydi4-iQ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8zWydi4-iQ</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336367&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-SKHTbb5_9C7nCoo-2_eLXf5yByOQG6O1t7i57NDobI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">nutritionprof (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336367">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336368" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465377053"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"The last names his parents use are not the name that he uses on social media." </p> <p>Translation: I am completely unfamiliar with non-European style naming conventions</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336368&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="3OJdKWH6cA7a9-oRQcOsXexokgw5P1RwM2xGZq2oRQs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Terrie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336368">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336369" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465377169"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would also add that, as our friend Rene pointed out, the racist and classist undertones of Ms. Charron/Quackenboss' writing are as troubling as the rest of her behavior. Note that her first post about Marco, the one he took down so gracefully in comments on his page, has "Mexican" as one of his category, and she makes multiple references to her belief that living in Mexico means he shouldn't be able to do this.<br /><a href="https://epidemiological.net/2016/06/05/the-fear-a-12-year-old-mexican-can-raise/">https://epidemiological.net/2016/06/05/the-fear-a-12-year-old-mexican-c…</a></p> <p>Not to mention her comments about knock-off polo shirts. </p> <p>The main thing about her posts is the unconscionable behavior of attacking a child in such an ugly manner. But they also shout privilege and prejudice, I think. Which brings us back to our host's point about the hypocrisy of pretending to stand for minority rights under the banner of the CDCwhistleblower manufactroversy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336369&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C4dgnZBP3DkvXAnxac-C9LCYvXlEfTW2qR80gzgdCxk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336369">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336370" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465377275"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The closest I've ever come to being doxxed was someone was an anti-vaxer who didn't like a comment I made, but couldn't refute it, so instead looked at my personal profile and replied with a comment to the effect of "what a surprise, an employee of [X] would be a pro-vax shill". (I worked, then and now, at a certain large software company which used to be run by a guy who the anti-vaxers really, really, <i>really</i> dislike.)</p> <p>It was disturbing enough that I set up an entire set of different accounts to use when arguing with the anti-science crowd in general. I still use my real name, and if there is ever a situation where my employer might be an issue I reveal it, as they require. But there are no other personal details attached.</p> <p>It's thin protection since anyone with a half a brain could make the connection. Fortunately, that leaves out the vast majority of anti-vaxers.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336370&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C1HAm0rhHxvifDadct-wpuc_HGr0XTIeoQQIoh3fxVQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dan Welch (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336370">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336371" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465377365"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Translation: I am completely unfamiliar with non-European style naming conventions</p></blockquote> <p>Heheh. As am I (well, not <em>completely</em> unfamiliar), which is why I didn't feel comfortable discussing that aspect of Quackenboss' idiocy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336371&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DsK2BTkl5cjXxTmjVXDLP5S9gLzgF_VTwvVfprhAVBU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336371">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336372" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465377940"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Orac, The Latin American hispanic naming convetion tends towards Firstname FathersSurname mothersSurname, with firstname fathersSurname used most for daily use, but I've seen names much more complex and people who use one surname in one situation and another surname in different situations.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336372&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sCLqP15qfixMczkc0Md9Qis4sf2g9ve6fFnI9Lxt3XU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Terrie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336372">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336373" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465378535"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Ren, Orac, and Terrie: yeah, I rather snickered at that part of her idiocy, also. I have Mexican friends, and you'd never believe they are all the same family, based on how they use their surnames. And there are also differences between the various countries, as my Peruvian, Cuban, Puerto Rican and Colombian friends have taught me. What applies for one doesn't apply for others. </p> <p>So, along with all her other errors, Quackquack Boss is full of it regarding the names. And, as I've said in other places, doxxing is wrong no matter what. It's bad enough when done to an adult. Despicable, to be exact. When done to a child - like Marco and Rhys - it's lower than despicable. It makes them less than human.</p> <p>That she and her friends feel so very threatened (and unaware of how intelligent many 12 year olds - who are even fully vaccinated - are) shows that they know they don't have anything of substance to support their stance.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336373&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="emjoOP-yxhaxqSF8uSbIk5A-McnXcR_YK1BFDkhwE7Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MI Dawn (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336373">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336374" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465378694"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>We can now add, "twelve year old can hand Robert Schecter's arse to him" to our list of people who have handed Robert Schecter's arse to him. Young Mr. Arturo is quite something to behold.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336374&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sgdbSmoR1r43Ut9cnKt1svS0YRFtCMfNhCh6-6vqqKI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Science Mom (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336374">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336375" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465378894"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>12 year old boy. </p> <p>Not 12 year old Mexican boy. </p> <p>Adding Mexican to the sentence isn't needed. </p> <p>In fact it's a little racist.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336375&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UI6vOU2yIdJiHZ2VKDqSqMRARBoOSksdjL5w8F9qBGc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Steve (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336375">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336376" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465380010"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I won't post his full name"<br /> "Here is his stepfather's full name, who he works for and the town he lives in."</p> <p>The thing about doxing is that even though it's not illegal*, the only reason to do it is to intimidate and facilitate harassment. It may be disguised as a conspiracy theory but this is textbook intimidation:</p> <blockquote><p>I’m not going to post his full name out of respect for him and his parents as well as their safety, but they’ve been a little sloppy about making trails to it so they should clean that up.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh it is tempting to want to respond in kind but we have to be better. There's no reason we need to know who Quackenboss is unless you plan on harassing her. Remember the saying about wrestling pigs.</p> <p>*IANAL. Cyber bullying laws may cover it but going after a pseudonymous person across country borders has got to be nigh impossible.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336376&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pxyYVbAz55ZyTHzGDauUGJ6dTDls59cEcWoUCBJ4NMw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">capnkrunch (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336376">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336377" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465381557"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>We can now add, “twelve year old can hand Robert Schecter’s arse to him” to our list of people who have handed Robert Schecter’s arse to him.</p></blockquote> <p>Indeed. Next, it'll be a first grader handing Schecter's posterior to him. :-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336377&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ut41Pf1gWj4vkK41XRg27fPYUqZ49gXuGjTdqqvS7gc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336377">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336378" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465381751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The last names his parents use are not the name that he uses on social media.</p></blockquote> <p>And Quackenboss finds this surprising why? Quite aside from Latin America using different naming conventions from English-speaking countries, my instinct is to assume that Arturo is what we would call Marco's middle name: it's the Spanish equivalent of Arthur.</p> <p>Even under US customs, either his mother would have kept her maiden name, or she would have taken the name of her most recent husband. Since the latter is identified as Marco's stepfather rather than his father, in either case her surname would be different from Marco's.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336378&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="768j6AdigJOa8H7gHMlTC-qhzKPHOaLWAQ1aNpVLTYg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336378">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336379" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465383752"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>To Zach #18:</p> <p>“The antivaxxers, some of them, are just in too deep. Their entire lives center around this conspiracy…”</p> <p>I first read that too quickly and thought you were talking about Orac!<br /> …….<br /> To one and all:<br /> I can’t understand about a third of Marco’s machine gun-style delivery. Does anyone else have difficulty listening to him?</p> <p>If little Marco is going to make a habit of posting his speeches on Youtube, he’d best get a voice coach.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336379&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EJt8PppB8D7y7ScuNhqP4DOCT0aihiMa9mlxzgEnK78"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">See Noevo (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336379">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336380" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465384719"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> (from #17) I first read that too quickly</p> <p>(from #35) I first read that too quickly...</p> <p>I can’t understand about a third of Marco’s machine gun-style delivery. </p></blockquote> <p>Maybe return to the kids' section of the internet if you feel out of your depth with the grown ups?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336380&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-J--C2bePVeb0bGIkqP3tjYQSWyfwYdAaTd5Gq6iP3M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gaist (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336380">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336381" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465385746"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>No matter how many times it comes back to bite them in the butt, antivaxxers never seem to get the Streisand effect. Thanks to them, Marco Arturo, who I'd otherwise probably never have heard of, just got his 1,964th subscriber. </p> <p>I was wondering what the kid could possibly have said to arouse such ire, what deep, dark secrets he revealed, what knock-down arguments he presented that simply had to be silenced by any means necessary - and the video turns out to be a not-terribly-original comedy sketch lasting less than 2 minutes. Seriously, antivaxxers? That's a new low, even for you. </p> <p>Also, I'm totally stealing his response to "Marco's Vaccine Challenge" - that was brilliant!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336381&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i8rPqNuJ0cyjHr04C5craB-oRHrv5kICE9Zu1dEsy6w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sarah A (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336381">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336382" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465387366"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yeah, some of these anti-vaxxers are pure scum and have nothing better to do than stalk a kid. They are frantically trying to take the video down, reporting his facebook page, and stalking his parents lmao.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336382&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="j-apuOrsGjL6d_rdtE8aK8EX6roY7moeU2QrD45rql4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CAggy (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336382">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336383" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465388275"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>SN: It's called closed captioning, dimbulb. Click the little cc button on the video.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336383&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VchwUybQpg9cKbIVtq6wbj48bfuA4UF5ERTdIhJdLWk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336383">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336384" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465389174"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ See Noevo # 35</p> <p><i>I can’t understand about a third of Marco’s machine gun-style delivery. </i></p> <p>Maybe he goes to this Church?</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDrutnPIuRk&amp;index=3&amp;list=RDihNEoJU1BJQ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDrutnPIuRk&amp;index=3&amp;list=RDihNEoJU1BJQ</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336384&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KOP2_vFbMP77mpJ6yEHSQpAjqzAMNv4d5oHqCVSz3V4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay Onit (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336384">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336385" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465389418"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Whoops, did not know it would go so large, nor did I check the comments. Sorry if I offend.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336385&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Y0_IcbKh0_NmMQYcHp5tt7j99VusYqycHHC7jzsk4mw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay Onit (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336385">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336386" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465389713"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The last names his parents use are not the name that he uses on social media.</p></blockquote> <p>I know one of the local TV news persons. I have seen her facebook page. You know what? The last name she uses on her facebook page is NOT THE SAME as the name that she uses on TV, or, in fact, uses in real life. In real life, she goes by her name that she uses on TV. However, she doesn't use that on social media, to avoid being recognized.</p> <p>Awful, isn't it?</p> <p>BTW, what is the deal with anti-vaxxers and hitting people in the neck? Two of them talk about hitting him in the neck (one will "punt him in the jugular"?) Is this a thing? I've never heard it before. I think it's the same person twice.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336386&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t39KlzN8RTyRReK5zNi1TeO-BH4SiRWFUOHkkn6HKVE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marry Me, Mindy (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336386">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336387" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465389782"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Anti-vaxxers are all about protecting children. Well, their own children, which they view as property. Any child that disagrees with them is just a tool (not a person) of some adult. Since they are not an actual child anymore, they are fair game for threats of physical violence and harassment.</p> <p>I would like to see just one of the big names in the anti-vaccine community condemn every AVer that buys into and promotes Quackenboss' conspiracy theory, racism, and doxxing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336387&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nOCeVZZNTAQwIYDx70QGx3pDo1nYZ3tgRuK6ymM_Tu8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Todd W. (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336387">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336388" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465390967"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>If little Marco <b>S.N.</b> is going to make a habit of posting <b>touting</b> his speeches <b>Christianity</b> on Youtube <b>the Internet</b>, he’d best get a voice <b>pastoral</b> coach.</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/bpa1RGU.png">FTFY</a>, pigfυcker.*</p> <p>* Yes, I'm being overgenerous.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336388&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WVUKlLhx2b-KAh_ZiTZ03CWLzAm7qGMB1mPWVYxSdlk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336388">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336389" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465391149"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This one I'm going to fix:</p> <blockquote><p>If little Marco <b>S.N.</b> is going to make a habit of posting <b>touting</b> his speeches <b>Christianity</b> on Youtube <b>the Internet</b>, he’d best get a voice <b>pastoral</b> coach.</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/bpa1RGU.png">FTFY</a>, pigfυcker.*</p> <p>* Yes, I'm being overgenerous.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336389&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="18G1rs-EfcO6-J1r_EH9y0rA0d4p4_N5f_R3cd_7eDQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336389">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336394" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465392740"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Narad #45, not being very generous to the pigs. What did they ever do to you? ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336394&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZFF6y3d0crpusJ6WOE2Pqgo4d3ORIqhpaxV6uqYCcS4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336394">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336389#comment-1336389" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336390" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465391749"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How new is this update on Levi's post? </p> <p>"Update: a buddy of mine joined the Facebook group that we’ve seen over and over again as the pre-May 24th group that made Marco’s video go viral before he made his own page. Turns out that Marco isn’t a member, the video wasn’t put up before his friend Emma posted it on May 24th, and it only had 110 likes over these last two weeks in a massive group with 7,000 members. Nice try. It looks like the Science Enthusiasts had very little interest in what this kid was saying."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336390&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="B931NawbGzEygaBD7dDaawWSTL82OseOTXCTc2zTST0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Annie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336390">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336391" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465391896"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>To Wzrd1 #1:<br /> Holy mackerel!<br /> Might you be… Dolph Lundgren?</p></blockquote> <p>Ever served in the military, S.N.? Do you make your caddy work the ball washer, or will none of them come near you at this point?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336391&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Zd74saMyrrtxywrC85fS8IRvKeHLTvugrwyLgvcSvFE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336391">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336396" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465392946"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@S.N., I retired from the US Army a few years ago. I was SF in the Army.<br /> 27 years, 8 months, retired when it started to hurt too much to put all of that crap on.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336396&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wb9H3l3Wkt4_TTB940OJQhPLH6YMId1ablUGO5NbSzw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336396">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336391#comment-1336391" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336392" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465392353"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sad day when "adults" bully and harass a child just because the child has different and smarter opinions than they do. While sharing the publicly accessible information may not be illegal, here in the states, a teacher can have harassment charges pressed against them for interacting with a student on Facebook. So that can easily be done with each person bullying Marco. </p> <p>Also, another note, I am autistic. And as someone who has personally experienced an antivaxer attack on me (under one of my online aliases), I do know how stir crazy they are. They are relentless. Well, get this, it's illegal in the states for someone to harass and bully a disabled person. So they best be checking themselves. When do the autistics get to sue the antivaxers for their hate speech against us?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336392&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dgoGszMCzOf6rEeQm7VTDhdOQHVAR5RB5eDs5dIhcfw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Essie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336392">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336393" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465392648"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There's some discussion on Quackenboss' blog about whether Marco's a hoax, funded and produced by what I assume is BIG PHARMA. Lots of hemming and hawwing, ignoring the fact that it actually doesn't matter because his message is correct. He could be funded by the Illuminati, the NSA, aliens, Obama, and my Mama, it doesn't change the fact that vaccine's have no connection to autism.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336393&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EfiR2h57l7kDbTgku_LZIXErW5pu6OIeatLzkWMm0RQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brian J. (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336393">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336395" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465392917"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>His parents have made him into a pawn.</p></blockquote> <p>That <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/06/disabled-ca-boys-testimony-to-sb277-lawmakers-i-love-going-to-school-please-dont-take-that-away-from.html">reminds me of something</a>.</p> <p>"Otto would you like to say something?<br /> "'I love going to school. Please don't take that away from me.'"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336395&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="f8toVAim2XHqKuQBpLM-fOowAp8jOG1mE5Gj6XZ5VJs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336395">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336397" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465393235"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Narad there were several kids brought to the microphone during the SB277 hearings to say they are vaccine damaged. </p> <p>Hearing a child talk of him or herself as damaged is cringe worthy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336397&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0wspQOue0-sLigt7KiF-0C-7N2v7RdEOD6Lut3P1qvk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336397">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336395#comment-1336395" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336398" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465393953"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Annie: "How new is this update on Levi’s post?"</p> <p>Who cares what she writes? It is mostly vile and made up. And this was discussed in this article: "Well, if you look at the A Plus post, it tells you. It says, “H/T: A Science Enthusiast,” who had shared Arturo’s video on his Facebook page on May 25."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336398&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b45c-9R7BeblnRme9Y7YV1fyn8bIZC8x4q49aV4Fvdo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336398">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336399" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465394172"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That imugr thingy, wow. I can feel the resentment and bitter longing all the way over here.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336399&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tUAV2ALKo1rlONWdqwBzq2p0FQRrux25hzG76FDGvX8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Delphine (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336399">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336400" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465395354"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Marco Arturo is a smart, sensible child.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336400&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="loco82Q4QMiyaRMGi2MZDhsu6ga3QuGxUa3Tq5cReZE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Melissa (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336400">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336401" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465395460"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A major problem with the world is not the pig-ignorant inhabitants, but the DELIBERATELY pig-ignorant inhabitants. The anti-Vaccination people remind me so much of the clowns who claim that astronauts never went to the moon.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336401&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xxw6cuaN32EMyhA03yN4V7Wyv0q9r9F4QXmtzclPgWc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rod (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336401">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336402" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465395586"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Marry Me, Mindy @42: According to some guy friends of mine, when you're mad you say you want to punch someone in the face, because it will hurt. If you're well past mad you way you want to punch someone in the throat because it can kill (and would render them unable to speak for some time). </p> <p>It's a major intensifier of the 'hitting' comment. </p> <p>And, unsurprisingly, very very nasty.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336402&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Du4jsWThT1zEIoi6StercxKtop4brGmj2KHy2If0KCk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336402">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336403" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465398255"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Steve</p> <p>It is perfectly fine to say "12 year old Mexican boy." He is Mexican. There's nothing wrong with applying that adjective to someone who is Mexican. I'm Mexican. I was born and raised in Mexico.</p> <p>Now, as Quackenboss has done in saying that he shouldn't be able to do any of these things (or wear a proper Polo shirt) BECAUSE he's Mexican, then, yes, we get into the issue of racism and stereotypes. In fact, Quackenboss has banned me from commenting on her blog because I called her a racist.</p> <p>Ah, but they're all about open discussion and whatnot, right?</p> <p>I think this brought out the true character of Quackenboss and her readers. They are terrified of reality in a way that is hard to explain. If a 12 year old Mexican boy can bring this much fear out of them, can imagine how they get when their doctors tell them they're wrong? Or when their friends and neighbors tell them they're wrong?</p> <p>Living with so much fear must be quite horrifying.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336403&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9ejb75_OSmgARfMLxl3CJudvhKDLqQbGk1k8zoLJJ7c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ren (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336403">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336404" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465398348"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Translation: I am completely unfamiliar with non-European style naming conventions</p></blockquote> <p>Perhaps too generous. Robyn Ross was a Texas lawyer before she moved to Colorado.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336404&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qkiqGEm6fg5UYGNuPjIjepNPgJ1qiF7J87AFVdQa30g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336404">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336405" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465398858"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Quackenboss <a href="https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/the-real-marco-arturo-mic-drop/">can't leave the poor kid alone</a>.</p> <p>Click on the video at YouTube,and spend some time at the MIO channel.Alex Jones has got nothing on this guy,</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336405&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JFvya7Vd2SIP5vcG6yXVJiTbK8uzgcoUPvRtior2YdI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Roger Kulp (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336405">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336406" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465399321"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Marco is awesome. </p> <p>Anti-vaxxers - not so much - not at all! cowards</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336406&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FTTmMR43qmvPS2OccpyazpbiVJq6pe-57y0q8KxBHGs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jane Ostentatious (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336406">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336407" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465401409"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, G-d, the "campaign by Hear This Well" is even more <a href="https://www.facebook.com/HearThisWell/posts/1170170219693781">hilariously stupid</a> than I could have imagined:</p> <blockquote><p>If [Walgreens] were involved in the production or promotion of a vaccine advertisement using a fake backyard video as advertising, it is fraudulent and misleading and in violation of the Truth in Advertising law.</p></blockquote> <p>What? Could I have some sort of statute here? I still have no idea what this is about:</p> <blockquote><p>[Walgreens] did withdraw their sponsorship of the video but they have not issued a statement, and at this point it is not good enough.</p></blockquote> <p>Did somebody just see some random Y—be ad and go all <i>A. muscaria</i> or something?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336407&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jVAYPGgM2NC-HPx29kd0k9JVHaQ7Cf1KhQRHiCKdELE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336407">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336408" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465402407"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i> He could be funded by the Illuminati, the NSA, aliens, Obama, and my Mama, it doesn’t change the fact that vaccine’s have no connection to autism.</i></p> <p>That's <i>why</i> they perseverate on things like how long the kid's YouTube channel has been up, the fact that he was wearing the same shirt in both videos, etc. It's a distraction from the real issue - the simple fact that they have no evidence to back up their claims in spite of years of activism and research. But if they can convince themselves that there's a conspiracy to silence them then that shows that the powers that be know that their claims have merit - which in turn implies that evidence to back up their claims exists, its just been hidden.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336408&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="r-cVyeOLPHUyum9A_ovLN2r4mKw48Au_M5epy_Pzuvw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sarah A (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336408">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336409" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465402690"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@64<br /> I don't know much about the workings of YouTube. Is a special wardrobe required so that one never appears in the same outfit twice?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336409&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YPLRj7rHymyXQR9NYiCJxk3B0D_qB9hHLQl48xq7mLQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ellie (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336409">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336410" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465403226"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As much as I agree in that she is an ignorant (Marco Arturo are his first and middle names, anyone who knew a bit about spanish would know that), please don't call it "non-european style naming conventions" as... you know, it started in Spain. Spain is in Europe. The spanish naming convention isn't any less european than the english one. Furthermore, as far as I know, there are many other conventions in Europe (Iceland's case was rather interesting, from what I remember).</p> <p>Personally, I still find hard to believe anyone could think vaccines are bad... Do they have an idea about how bad things were before them? We can live without fear for tuberculosis because everyone in previous generations vaccinated, to put an example.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336410&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E_YkqT5-Ypt2wdAT0nycQT4tT2IW19WH7bwyUljw1cs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">AS (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336410">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336411" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465403621"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Im not sure about the leaglity of this kind of doxing. There is a clearly implied threat in posting personal information. Furthermore giving it to people who have expressed wishes to harm the child in question is without a doubt an attempt at inciting violence.<br /> It depends on the local laws, but threatening violence and inciting/facilitating violence towards a child like the anti-vaxxers her have been doing is a felony in most western countries. It should be reported to the police, so that at the very least a file can get built up on these people</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336411&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ag1NA9zk_95iVHqoCiXNs6huu-xuARW3j8h8UFQdzzI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marcus (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336411">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336412" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465404328"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One of the YT channels I follow is SeaNanners Gaming Channel, and he has been uploading videos since 2009 almost always wearing what appears to be an identical gray shirt. I wonder what they would make of that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336412&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NJxw__OLljjW9w6_F1qCM_36Rf3yzULSbTQUnMiTy1U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Travis (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336412">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336413" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465407212"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One more fit of laughter, and I'm going to wind up with a nosebleed: Gerg has been a busy little beaver over at AoA (oh, and here, as <i>rapporteur</i>; oh, G-d, hold on – can this cause orthostatic syncope? – OK, deep breaths, walk into another room every few words).</p> <p>He seems to have dimly and bizarrely <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/06/the-pr-hoax-of-the-marco-arturo-vaxxer-viral-video.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201bb090e19c8970d#comment-6a00d8357f3f2969e201bb090e19c8970d">"perceive" the asymmetry</a>, which nobody there even acknowledged* (mentioned) in the first place. Hence this:</p> <blockquote><p>Seems like responsible journalism to me and Quackenboss should be credited. Should someone, instead, passively report on a matter under a 'nym, and in no way make himself part of the story, then I can see why it would be 'appropriate' to respect privacy.</p></blockquote> <p>I can't go on; someone's stopping by, and some measure of composure is required.</p> <p>* Perhaps more commonly, "recognize"; the unblinking acceptance of "Sophie Scholl" = "Hans Litten" = "Hans Scholl" = "White Rose" as separate entities has <i>some</i> psychosocial payload, but I'm cutting the red wire.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336413&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4B8MCuo38dZyq8ApEBJ5-uFa9XGfJIAt9tqr5ZuoCjg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336413">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336414" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465409281"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Im not sure about the leaglity of this kind of doxing. There is a clearly implied threat in posting personal information. Furthermore giving it to people who have expressed wishes to harm the child in question is without a doubt an attempt at inciting violence.</p></blockquote> <p>Marcus, there are a number of moving parts here, but the most important one is that the perpetrator and the victim live in different countries. I don't know anything about Mexican law (oh, and I should repeat that IANAL), but I really, strongly doubt that there is any "true threat" under U.S. law, much less "incitement." Nobody's extraditing anybody.</p> <p>What might be amusing in the extreme would be a civil suit. Filed in Colorado.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336414&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wKBJnhcYIfeuJuKE8Zn7VlqwSF3-Ly9EiZ4lvK5jvk0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336414">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336415" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465410285"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>That imugr thingy, wow. I can feel the resentment and bitter longing all the way over here.</p></blockquote> <p>The irony is that if it weren't for the xenophobia (and general inability to learn), he'd probably be much more comfortable <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri">with Islam</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336415&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C1tmjuw1digPVa4MUW7qqv4fjoc1tlru0I90_pNU0GA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336415">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336416" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465415628"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My word. Gerg is just brilliant isn't he?</p> <blockquote><p>Well, Gorski would like to point out that it is explicit in the A+ Media article that H-T, a science enthusiast, is credited with sharing it.</p></blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336416&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lIsgxgO5IFVcQXgrsAwiYmBabZrq79lC9DQO1noqrZ8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">capnkrunch (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336416">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336417" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465419819"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Seems like responsible journalism to me and Quackenboss should be credited. Should someone, instead, passively report on a matter under a ‘nym, and in no way make himself part of the story, then I can see why it would be ‘appropriate’ to respect privacy.</p></blockquote> <p>Greg isn't the only denizen of AoA breaking irony meters left and right today.</p> <p>But then there is this:</p> <blockquote><p>I thought the video was staged because the kid started with saying: Good Evening Ladies &amp; Gentlemen.<br /> I don't know the time setting for the video but it didn't look like evening to me.</p></blockquote> <p>I am lost for words to describe the idiocy contained in these comments.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336417&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BZvJ_8r8PSCJp23bUp-YXlP6-etEbO2IZmp51LtLdSU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Preston (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336417">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336418" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465421006"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Well, [Orac] would like to point out that it is explicit in the A+ Media article that <b>H-T, a science enthusiast,</b> is credited with sharing it.</p></blockquote> <p>[emphasis mine]<br /> Accidentally got auto-moderation. I'm reposting rather than waiting because this one is so funny. Gerg is just mind numbingly brilliant, no? Prolific guy, that H-T.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336418&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WQZj7ux3xmvQNgzOHniGqV_9tiunx3PGxclDQ6pGUf0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">capnkrunch (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336418">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336419" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465432991"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I've been thinking about this, and I have to pick my words carefully or I'll wind up in moderation.<br /> Doxxing anyone is improper. Doxxing a child is dangerous. It gives those who, shall we say, target children for improper purposes, a location.<br /> It should be illegal, even though it isn't.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336419&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9BUXyUle21uKpw2gRLcTXO0cZ16oL8pCTfM-ASodwNE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336419">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336420" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465435018"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Julian,</p> <p>I can attest. I understand what you mean.</p> <p>Al</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336420&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="K2-D04Ozvp1pwe6AYCPkEcTd3-cTG5_ltVUoDEtHNVs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alain (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336420">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336421" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465437321"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ annie #47</p> <blockquote><p>the video wasn’t put up before his friend Emma posted it on May 24th, and it only had 110 likes over these last two weeks in a massive group with 7,000 members. Nice try. It looks like the Science Enthusiasts had very little interest in what this kid was saying.</p></blockquote> <p>Playing popularity contest, like she was still in college prom?</p> <p>And now, more than 7 million views and counting.<br /> Quanckenboss will have to look up the Streisand effect.</p> <p>Just to spite her, I'm almost tempted to go back on Facebook.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336421&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jlMoBzw8wyb3H71rcYj2CDuRUy0Q9MyqW4HsbAR1yEU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336421">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336422" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465437484"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Narad 64: the law in question is Title 15 USC, subchapter 1, sections 52-54. This law grants the FTC broad authority to define "false advertising" and punish their publishers. The FTC currently defines payed but undisclosed product endorsements as such. This video is a bit different since it's broadly endorsing an entire class of products rather than any specific one, but then again, a tobacco company secretly paying people to say "smoking is safe!" can be a violation even if they don't mention a specific brand.</p> <p>I find it totally convincing, btw, that Walgreens, a company with 370,000 employees and over $100 billion in annual sales, felt the need to pay a 12-year-old to make a youtube video to save its vaccine program.</p> <p>I also find it amusing that the same people who think the FDA and CDC are part of a conspiracy might also think the FTC will come to the rescue. You dummies, the whole government is in on it!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336422&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jZlTDNT434oYssVvPWzQS4fID--9xOTGZliea_PEHZw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bob (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336422">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336423" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465439768"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Bob #79, logic isn't exactly one of their strong points is it :).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336423&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SkDuoNUpuBN97ZbIABhUm-eHftpJYgR7R-SgyYuOpiA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Phillips (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336423">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336424" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465441918"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm thrilled that Ashton Kutcher came out as pro-vaccine. Celebrities have a tendency to be silent on the issue or virulently anti-vac.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336424&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FKxE-xnNFAHYj3QV9XBg965ZG3lmCC2tO697Ni81F3A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Naropa (not verified)</span> on 08 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336424">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336425" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465453192"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@capnkrunch #73: You made me LOL with this: "<i>Well, Gorski would like to point out that it is explicit in the A+ Media article that H-T, a science enthusiast, is credited with sharing it"</i></p> <p>Thanks for pulling that line out. My lord, Gurgles is really ignorant. Who on earth, in these days of the internet, doesn't understand that H/T means "hat tip" or, in more words "thanks to X for pointing this out to me".</p> <p>Or is there some evil Pharma minion named H/T that Lord Draconis just hired on? I never get the new minion memos.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336425&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1gEyK3C67EeSDJ9dhz13b07XEwrPtMJUJsSwUaW6QbY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MI Dawn (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336425">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336426" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465453351"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hmmmm....my last comment went into moderation, obviously because I quoted capnkrunch from his comment 73. Hope Orac isn't too busy to release me from prison today! :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336426&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l4o6BO3RoviSHBZRk4Tmq59Uxfrhadf4ekhNdjxgpa4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MI Dawn (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336426">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336427" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465454873"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Posting names, addresses, phone numbers, workplaces of people you don't like isn't illegal per se.</p> <p>But if you take that information and contact the person or worse their job, that's harassment and stalking and that IS illegal! If you post said information with the intent it be used that way, then you open yourself to a charge of incitement.</p> <p>The only thing that protects people like Quackenboss is the fact law enforcement is generally clueless when it comes to Internet crimes, so enforcement is very difficult.</p> <p>This woman is a textbook bully, the kind that likes picking the wings off flies.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336427&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xA1kZKEmiUP3T7RfJgeXnwhnApLbt1FYxo7KU5TM1FA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Panacea (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336427">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336428" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465454994"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>She also brags about it, too. She's coming across as very, very pleased with herself based on her perception that she's "taken down" Marco.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336428&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="k-uxdW2dBUrscupA1KVlddxJ-zDM2Bf2AbZa16QDVEw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Orac (not verified)</a> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336428">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336429" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465461126"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I too have been following Gerg on AoA.<br /> J-sus, what a half wit! ( I'm being kind)</p> <p>Orac's newer minions might enjoy learning that Gerg spent weeks and weeks <a href="mailto:f@cking">f@cking</a> with... I mean *interacting with* and<br /> *debating* at RI. I imagine most of you can guess how well that turned out for him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336429&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XloOoinmDgm0U8i9vrOSwSSpn7Cm_WN8k1N5n1r69_0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336429">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336430" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465463732"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Off topic entirely....<br /> What is up with all the "G-d" and "J-sus" references by some commenters today? I'm an atheist but it is not offensive to write out God or Jesus. There is no Christian rule you aren't allowed to use the actual name of your (fictional) deity.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336430&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GwmSvdzROlSt39IpZEU-Zbk5mny75lfE464UuucKaC0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Newcoaster (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336430">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336431" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465466019"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>What is up with all the “G-d” and “J-sus” references by some commenters today?</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/486809/jewish/Why-Gd-instead-of-G-o-d.htm">See here</a>. It doesn't apply to Jesus.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336431&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IWmgvSozhe28R92g1qcmiccoG4mYRLvJs3pDWO0VBwI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336431">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336432" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465467163"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>For what it's worth, the person who made the video claiming this was a conspiracy provided a partial retraction that, I think, makes it clear that he's now down to belief only in terms of this being a conspiracy: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/MyIncredibleOpinionWithForrestMaready/posts/1641029792887461">https://www.facebook.com/MyIncredibleOpinionWithForrestMaready/posts/16…</a></p> <p>I'll copy and post here, and apologize for the length. </p> <p>"12-Year-Old Vaccine Boy Update/Partial Retraction<br /> I wanted to post a video update to the VaccineBoy hoax story but I have a raging sunburn on my head/face from being the Daddy Express for 4 hours at a pool party this weekend and the lizard skin effect I'm sporting would just not be that pleasant. I have spent the last 48 hours obsessing over every little detail of this thing and I mean every little detail, down to hair styles and conflicting shirt collars. I wanted to retract one or two things from my original video and confirm a couple of other things. Before I do, let me just say this: As adult like as this kid talks, please remember that he's just a kid and that he may not have the emotional fortitude that you or I do. Social media can make instastars of anyone, whether they're ready for it or not. I've gotten less than .1% of the traffic his video has and it has caused me some lost sleep. I'm sure he and his family are no different. I realize that his thoughtless, fact-free video drivel was hurtful and made it easy to hate him. Don't. Channel it towards change. I will show you how. Keep watching. We can do this.<br /> Here are my partial retractions:<br /> 1) I don't believe the Vaccine video was shot on a professional camera anymore. I believe it was shot on an iPad. I did some eye-alignment tests using the front-facing camera on my iPad Air (shot in Landscape mode with front-facing camera on my left), and looking at the right of the screen to align a paper I was holding produced similar eyelines as the kid. I also noticed the exposure changing whenever he brought in and out the paper- something that a professional camera would likely not do (pro camera operators don't use auto-exposure very often).<br /> 2) I don't believe the APlus media writer knew about the video before it went up. I spoke at length with her, twice over the past two days and she has convinced me she found the post organically through a Facebook group she follows (not a member of) called A Science Enthusiast. She is an avowed Believer, I realize. She could be lying to protect an elaborate PR set up, but I think she is telling me the truth.<br /> Here is what I have confirmed, which will be at odds with 1 and 2.<br /> 1) Many people have suggested (including the Aplus writer) that Google dated the suspect articles May 24th because that was the date on the content embedded within the post. Ergo: You create an article on June 8th that contains a Facebook video from May 24th and Google will show May 24th as the day that article was created. I have not found this behavior anywhere I've looked, and the two SEO experts I spoke with have never heard of this behavior. In fact, I went through 20 Aplus articles that contained embedded content from Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram and Vimeo and I never found a single instance of Google dating the article based on the embedded content. Similarly, I went through a couple of articles on Babble that contained embedded content and was unable to find a single instance of Google dating articles based on embedded content.<br /> That means there were still 4 VaccineBoy articles I could find that have May 24th dates on them. If you do the Google search now, you may see different dates than I showed in the original video because of updates done to the page. Regardless, the dates won't move backwards, only forwards. The author of one of the articles has me convinced they didn't know about the video until May 27th. But still, Google says May 24th. I can't explain it any other way than the articles, or placeholders for them, were up on that day.<br /> There are still strange things about this that befuddle me. Why is he wearing the same thing in both videos, but the wear and tear on his shirt makes it look 3 months older in the Portrait video.<br /> I still believe that there is money behind this kid, that someone is dropping some dosh or working very hard to make him an Instastar. Perhaps vaccines just happened to come up on the radar. Perhaps he will never talk about them again. We'll see. I'm more than happy to have him on my show. We can play Ping-Pong if he doesn't want to debate vaccines. Loser admits the winner is correct in their belief.<br /> I look forward to more videos from me that have nothing to do with a 12-year-old kid regurgitating bullet points from a 30 year old pharma rep brochure. I hope you do too. And that is my incredible opinion."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336432&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jVIkNpUOYwDNgMkWPKC57Q8lix0sFWSFRIkT68eXCKg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336432">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336439" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465488357"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Dorit Reiss #89, isn't it just so cute when the clueless try to perform a forensic investigation on anything whatsoever?<br /> Subjective opinion gets substituted for actual scientific findings, cluelessness in specific technologies result in odd speculations and misunderstanding of other technological interactions creates spurious speculations being reported as fact.</p> <p>Case in point:<br /> mediainfo "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism.mp4"<br /> General<br /> Complete name : Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism.mp4<br /> Format : MPEG-4<br /> Format profile : Base Media / Version 2<br /> Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)<br /> File size : 26.8 MiB<br /> Duration : 1mn 58s<br /> Overall bit rate mode : Variable<br /> Overall bit rate : 1 903 Kbps<br /> Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-04 08:48:03<br /> Tagged date : UTC 2016-06-04 08:48:03<br /> gsst : 0<br /> gstd : 118096</p> <p>Video<br /> ID : 1<br /> Format : AVC<br /> Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec<br /> Format profile : Main@L3.1<br /> Format settings, CABAC : Yes<br /> Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames<br /> Codec ID : avc1<br /> Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding<br /> Duration : 1mn 58s<br /> Bit rate : 1 774 Kbps<br /> Width : 1 280 pixels<br /> Height : 720 pixels<br /> Display aspect ratio : 16:9<br /> Frame rate mode : Constant<br /> Frame rate : 30.000 fps<br /> Color space : YUV<br /> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0<br /> Bit depth : 8 bits<br /> Scan type : Progressive<br /> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.064<br /> Stream size : 25.0 MiB (93%)<br /> Title : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc.<br /> Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-04 08:48:03<br /> Tagged date : UTC 2016-06-04 08:48:03<br /> Color range : Limited<br /> Color primaries : BT.709<br /> Transfer characteristics : BT.709<br /> Matrix coefficients : BT.709</p> <p>Audio<br /> ID : 2<br /> Format : AAC<br /> Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec<br /> Format profile : LC<br /> Codec ID : 40<br /> Duration : 1mn 58s<br /> Bit rate mode : Variable<br /> Bit rate : 126 Kbps<br /> Channel(s) : 2 channels<br /> Channel positions : Front: L R<br /> Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz<br /> Frame rate : 43.066 fps (1024 spf)<br /> Compression mode : Lossy<br /> Stream size : 1.77 MiB (7%)<br /> Title : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc.<br /> Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-04 08:48:03<br /> Tagged date : UTC 2016-06-04 08:48:03</p> <p>No, the video wasn't shot on 4 June, it was encoded on that date by Google. Indeed, the original video may well not have been encoded into an .mp4 container, but converted by Google into .mp4.<br /> Not that our intrepid, if clueless sleuth would actually comprehend that.<br /> BTW, what is the "lizard skin effect"? I've been sunburned many a time, typically, once per season, my skin never had any characteristic akin to lizard skin. Is the OP admitting to not being human? ;)<br /> Yeah, I didn't think that was it either.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336439&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BYjaR_tqNutYL-BmTLsyw27_nJGmgKKMRB33Z33CwIc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336439">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336432#comment-1336432" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dorit Reiss (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336433" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465470053"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>We can play Ping-Pong if he doesn’t want to debate vaccines. Loser admits the winner is correct in their belief.</p></blockquote> <p>A stellar example of medieval thinking. Trial by combat, essentially. Because, that's how reality works.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336433&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i518IstR6GpbMq8aGZnIEtJEMv2irOjUpf3KpUsbSPM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Todd W. (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336433">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336434" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465475182"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Panacea #84</p> <p>"But if you take that information and contact the person or worse their job, that’s harassment and stalking and that IS illegal! If you post said information with the intent it be used that way, then you open yourself to a charge of incitement."</p> <p>When I was doxed with both my home and work information, the police stated that because both pieces of information are public record, there was no crime. Even though both instances of doxing were accompanied by encouragement to "destroy me." </p> <p>My work information is still being passed around cyberspace with encouragement to harass me at work and contact my employer demanding that I be fired, and I've been informed that there's nothing I can do about it.</p> <p>So, either it's not illegal, or nobody cares.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336434&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CfBJNKD6WGK1T-15T6dZVpJS0w7hqxhe0RHZc3ZP79k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Allison Hagood (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336434">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336435" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465475521"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Put your irony meters away for this gem from Joy B:</p> <blockquote><p>Next, I imagine they'll use a nonverbal autistic "prodigy", communicating the same thing through his handheld (and pre-programmed)communication device whilst stimming in the most endearing way...</p></blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336435&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xhKHqeR5l02lXZauE-foq8VHg3rFzRz86o8kg0Jvdko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">capnkrunch (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336435">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336436" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465482900"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Anti-vaccine "activists" are jerks. Period. So the idea they'd harass a 12-year-old kid isn't the least bit shocking.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336436&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6AuDEXrUidGfpUWYyW0F4_Q5lP3zdJMLLSviWN5L84E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">a-non (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336436">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336437" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465485329"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Newcoaster:</p> <p>I'm not really sure which words set off the you-know-what.</p> <p>I'm also an atheist.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336437&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i4QScSZhAE5L84SBhaesCrnFb7UZK_mol55qBHF9PC4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336437">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336438" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465488245"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>the law in question is Title 15 USC, subchapter 1, sections 52-54</p></blockquote> <p>Don't forget section 55 ("the extent to which the advertisement fails to reveal facts material in the light of such representations or material with respect to consequences which may result from the use of the commodity to which the advertisement relates"). I'm too tired to do real cites at the moment, but <a href="https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/training-materials/policy_deception.pdf">in 1983</a> (PDF), the basic idea is misleading reasonable consumers.</p> <blockquote><p>This video is a bit different since it’s broadly endorsing an entire class of products rather than any specific one, but then again, a tobacco company secretly paying people to say “smoking is safe!” can be a violation even if they don’t mention a specific brand.</p></blockquote> <p>1. <i>Is it</i> an endorsement? (If so, is there adequate substantitation for the representations?) I haven't gotten around to watching it, because I generally don't watch Y—be videos. This is in the purview of 16 CFR 255.</p> <p>2. Would a conglomerate of greengrocers secretly producing a staged Y—be video endorsing the "fruits and vegetables" "class of products" represent a commensurate FTCA violation to the smoking example? (Fake PSAs appear to drawn little attention other than from the usual AM radio "free trial" of "proven remedy" category.)</p> <p>And that's the end of my ruminating on a category of law that I don't have time to whomp up something resembling a sensible overview of.</p> <p>Note that the two blockquotes in my comment were in reverse order from the original. <i>Where the hell does this "sponsorship" bit come from in the first place?</i> If "it" was "revoked," how could it have been surreptitious in the first place? Again, this appears to be simple raving:</p> <blockquote><p>If [Walgreens] were involved in the production or promotion of a vaccine advertisement using a fake backyard video as advertising, it is fraudulent and misleading and in violation of the Truth in Advertising law.</p></blockquote> <p>I'm getting exactly six G—le hits for "the Truth in Advertising Law." In fact, it's struck me a couple of times as having the distinct ring of a UKian construction. I didn't bother looking around the FB page, because I have a reaction similar to some ex-smokers about the racket, <i>but</i> it turns out that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_This_Well">HTW is</a> Polly "That's What I Call a Big Tree!" Tommey.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336438&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XlMuiNenT88-DwLS_Ff8dpgzJcOCzgyvGTf9oPo0kEs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336438">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336440" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465488397"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^ "to <b>have</b> drawn"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336440&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="I0fUyDk5LUQSroVRo29iBqI3HH80gJ_Sy7WEfjk2o_U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336440">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336441" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465505789"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>a-non:Anti-vaccine “activists” are jerks. Period. So the idea they’d harass a 12-year-old kid isn’t the least bit shocking.</p> <p>Too true. At this point, I advise people with anti-vax friends to dump 'em because it's only a matter of time before the anti-vax people start being horrible. Even if I'd known someone from the time they were teeny, the minute they start buying into the anti-vax thing, we're done. (Though I might still pretend to be friends, in case they have kids who need a lifeline. Most anti-vaxxers are one bad day away from killing their kids.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336441&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5ONJnSV2thTJ-mhe6ZVuKNUh6fpWA5YoPjeHJ4hJXSU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 09 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336441">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336442" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465557195"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Monsanto et.al. have deleted the Gene HMDB25030 from all their patented food and feed seeds and their patented vegetables foods and it is missing from nearly all processed food as well because it breaks down at 210F during the preparation of processed foods. It is the compound that represents most of the Immune System of Plants and the ONLY compound in foods that our Immune System incorporates directly into our Immune and Cellular Repair Systems to protect Neutrophils internally from the compounds produced to Kill Bacteria and Process Vaccines.<br /> It is responsible for the production, in Human and all mammalian metabolic systems, of a Single Antioxidant, Thiocyanate (HMDB01453), which is the ONLY antioxidant the Immune System can utilize inside of Neutrophils to Process Vaccines, Remove Heavy Metals (including viruses and even readioactive particles in the presence of Iodide), repair wounds, kill bacteria, rebuild muscles, repair aging host cells, kill cancer cells before they can divide out of control and much, much more. <a href="http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1290469.files/PMN%20review.pdf">http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1290469.files/PMN%20review.p…</a><br /> A normal Minimum Daily Requirement of HMDB35030 in the diet would be 1 mg. per 3 pounds of body weight from vegetables and food grains (non-GM, non-GMO and non-processed foods including soy baby formulas and baby food in jars have NONE now).<br /> A 2014 study done to check Amygdalin Content of Foods in the UK clearly shows less than a few 100ths of what should be in the foods listed instead of the naturally occuring amounts which should fall between .1- 17 mg. per gram of food. Statistically, because of the wide variance of HMDB35030 content of the many foods tested, there should be a similar ratio in the processed foods but they are consistantly Completely Devoid of the Essential Nutrient across the variety spectrum.<br /> The undeniable importance of Thiocyanate in the Human Metabolic System is clearly detailed in this well done research: <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/106/48/20515.long">http://www.pnas.org/content/106/48/20515.long</a><br /> Where has all the HMDB35030 and the resulting Essential Metabolic Compound HMDB01453, Thiocyanate gone and why? The ‘why’ is Trillions of dollars in profit for the medical industry made in treating the symptoms of Thiocyanate Deficiency in Vaccine Induced Child Autism, Gulf War Syndrome, MS, Cystic Fibrosis, Fibromyaglia, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, Lou Gehrig’s, and many other diseases with ‘unknown causes’ related to the dysfunctional neutraphils which self-destruct in the presence of a Thiocyanate Deficieny.<br /> Give us back our HMDB35030!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336442&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="c1nNCJtBdUFzaFppmEUamtHhzBvPNUeFp5iaIL4CC1k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Will Wiegman (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336442">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336445" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465562974"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Are readioactive particles from Reading Rainbow?</p> <p>Small hint, we don't absorb DNA from our food, we never have, we never shall. Learn what digestion does and is.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336445&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N7_00gSmbrZ4imSibomVDH8iJ5vHBa5iS6bpJ-U9zHk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336445">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336442#comment-1336442" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Will Wiegman (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336446" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465568094"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Perhaps we could get a twelve year old to explain digestion?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336446&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nQSeSseycmcI7kHPMLy_l0nqvODdmk4OErcfmtJBOv8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ellie (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336446">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336445#comment-1336445" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336447" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465569411"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Ellie #102, I suspect a 12 year old would do a better job of it than did Will at #100.<br /> Enzymes and acids seem to be beyond him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336447&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t_7tLnnRWNxR5X1VduWpRlzPbOLhLTA7QUIZcZz9Zdw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336447">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1336446#comment-1336446" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ellie (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div></div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336443" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465560185"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Monsanto et.al. have deleted the Gene HMDB25030 [<i>sic</i>]</p></blockquote> <p>Given the number of times you've cut and pasted this, there's really no excuse for failing to at least proofread.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336443&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZKanEqg8Dwe8oU44J7wdLSPpqMI6ycn-qEp_yr4JrDQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336443">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336444" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465560416"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^ Oh, right: For those who don't want to bother, it's basically a <a href="http://www.hmdb.ca/metabolites/HMDB35030">laetrile</a> rant.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336444&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mI2KZtbzqX5rNaZe6-hXr2s5rctZhLvlHlYKeI0pVUQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336444">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336448" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465572514"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Will #100</p> <p>Where exactly is the Thiocyanate, in the Human Metabolic System, clearly detailed in this well done research?</p> <p>Just did a word search, it's not there.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336448&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kkq756GAtsYJkJgeVFIIP4VioZVd-VSeMfSjy3dddYo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay Onit (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336448">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336449" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465572835"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Narad - thanks, because I really didn't want to bother, but the phrase "to protect Neutrophils internally from the compounds produced to Kill Bacteria and Process Vaccines" caught my eye. Will doesn't appear to understand how neutrophils work. Unless he thinks they only became "kamikaze" cells since the introduction of GM crops, and that our immune systems have undergone a massive evolutionary shift in the past 50 years or so to compensate...for some reason I find the notion oddly intriguing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336449&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uBpcCQ5RZpjeqJlgI2QRMzDdyVRHtyDeG3JEr9UE51g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sarah A (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336449">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336450" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465573027"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Writing this for the benefit of anyone who is wondering how much of what Will Wiegman's rant is true: None of it.</p> <p>Laetrile/Amygdalin/B17/HMDB35030 is a plant compound that has no function in the human body. No in vivo studies have ever found laetrile to be beneficial for anything, and in fact it is quite toxic. The genes to make it have not been modified in any monsanto crop.</p> <p>Laetrile is at the center of a paranoid conspiracy theory that truly is a testament to the ability of some people to invent nonsense from whole cloth. The vaccine angle is something I haven't heard of before - usually laetrile is touted as a cancer cure. Truly a miracle molecule!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336450&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-RqyLuDpH6s24DvvpiPNY2U_XNc1OvuNxkzlHBQ99yM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bob (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336450">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336451" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465574731"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm really hoping these kinds of vicious attacks help publicize and help Marco Arturo's cause. He may have been obscure if it weren't for them. In other words, walking turds like Quackenboss will hopefully be their own undoing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336451&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vSoVfF5MgFY7B6r5XKA2Wd-d0eFQeZ7wcGdmYgLwmK0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">L.G. Mario (not verified)</span> on 10 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336451">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336452" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465662684"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My only comment, and perhaps someone else has already made this point, but "Mexican" is not a race, and being anti-Mexican doesn't make you racist. Now, that doesn't excuse being irrationally biased against people from a certain country or region; i just take exception to the imprecise terminology, and given the fact that real racism is a global problem, i think it's important to keep the distinction.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336452&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="snIjsZdLE9YuUWKtQ4mLuJrVCQiyrfzKvm6VkuGPLbM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Harold Gaines (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336452">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336453" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465663774"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>i just take exception to the imprecise terminology</p></blockquote> <p>You've failed to provide a style manual so that everybody can firm up their language to avoid discomfiting you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336453&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sK8CpJJ-985CSPoN-T_xVADYax_CmU7SWwHrz-3oAdE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336453">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336454" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465668282"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>It is the compound that represents most of the Immune System of Plants </i></p> <p>Deliberately ignorant, spamming, and Erratically Capitalising is no way to go through life.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336454&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ukp5G44WM40qXmZnbUNnBcBpHUHROyPEQLrlhAiE98Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336454">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336455" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465675738"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If humans were plants, cyanide might be an important immune system modulator. Alas (or fortunately) we are not, with the exception of certain people who seem to have the intelligence of plants, at least some of the more primitive ones.</p> <p>The Monsanto freakout in relation to cyanide is a new one for me. I would've expected anti-GMOers to accuse the company of _incorporating_ a cyanide-producing gene in their modified crop plants.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336455&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="92Aq7iROw1c9ECm5irEvF_lBfc0B3J6CiC3SVP_qrrY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336455">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336456" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465676033"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There actually is a case where anti-GMOers have claimed that a genetically modified plant has produced toxic cyanide, stemming from an incident in Texas involving a hybrid grass.</p> <p><a href="http://www.foodrenegade.com/mutated-gmo-grass-makes-cyanide-kills-cattle-2/">http://www.foodrenegade.com/mutated-gmo-grass-makes-cyanide-kills-cattl…</a></p> <p>Semi-hilariously, this alarmist had to issue a correction when it turned out that the offending grass was a "naturally"-bred hybrid, and not GMO at all. But we must be vigilant because...it could happen!!!!!!!!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336456&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jveuXM2lusJBOWyij7J7Klfy-Jfu3ZEfyEMb6WAYuCc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dangerous Bacon (not verified)</span> on 11 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336456">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336457" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465747873"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@wzrd1 '90, when he refers to lizard skin he's describing how sunburnt skin can take on a scaly pattern just before the stage at which the skin starts peeling. As a child I was very sensitive to the sun, being very pale skinned with white hair until I was about 8. I was so sensitive that I almost literally only had to show my skin to the sun to get badly sunburnt, obviously an exaggeration, but an hour in the early afternoon sun in the UK summer really was enough, and after a while, that was the type of scaly pattern that would develop on the worst parts. Fortunately, by my early to mid teens I had largely grown out of the worst of the sensitivity but still don't like summer much.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336457&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jU3FQQQxvdgnHE7wVVYH2jRjazrHFYBNSvJ_u0bPIs8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Phillips (not verified)</span> on 12 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336457">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336458" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465788527"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Harold Gaines</p> <blockquote><p>“Mexican” is not a race, and being anti-Mexican doesn’t make you racist.</p></blockquote> <p>True, Mexican is not a race. Neither is Kenyan, Hindu, or Japanese.<br /> Yet, each of those people still need to check a label other than "Caucasian" on IDs forms. Including Mexicans.</p> <p>I will still call a spade a spade* and label racist someone making broad generalizations based on someone's theoretical affiliation to a (often) theoretical ethnic group.</p> <p>* intended reference</p> <blockquote><p>i just take exception to the imprecise terminology</p></blockquote> <p>Fine. Let's go for xenophobic. Or tribalism. Or @sshole.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336458&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CfYz2LyLLBPRMHMuF_iCAExcEfPNfJTOjSNVm-Kqc0Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Helianthus (not verified)</span> on 12 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336458">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336459" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465797364"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Off topic, I know, but just thought I'd make the observation that Kim Stagliano over at Age of Autism has implied the Orlando massacre is linked to autism and shots (ie vaccines).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336459&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-ZsRXSTBY10P1RemEPbuGfnG0mTv9oo6FvaO6HtOTjs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dingo199 (not verified)</span> on 13 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336459">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336460" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465800628"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@dingo199</p> <p>Of course she did. Because it's always the vaccines. Even when it's a hate-fueled asshat, it has to be vaccines. And autism. Because autism makes people into horrible, violent, killing monsters. I wonder if that's the same view Kim has for her three autistic daughters (one of whom is completely unvaccinated).</p> <p>I really hate how these people characterize autism, especially when their own children are autistic. Absolutely reprehensible.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336460&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gy_ZNx52qxu0K1jIUqN4-pJYVBHjoc8Z5NAonvxMjS4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Todd W. (not verified)</span> on 13 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336460">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336461" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465806467"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Todd W.:</p> <p>Agreed.<br /> I especially hate how she describes their challenges- including private ones- so publicly or posts videos of them having difficulties with simple school/ speech tasks as well as some entertainment television choices which reflect their ID</p> <p>Someday these girls might read or see her work.</p> <p>Then she goes on and on about how 'beautiful' they are! </p> <p>There's something really wrong with this and with her!</p> <p>Personally I think that she and other warrior parents who think themselves terribly brilliant and nearly perfect are quite miffed that their kids have an ID.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336461&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="luF5qxxQ_XK2vOTWXCoBIa6jgj3Ad3dK-RasfE1R9ts"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 13 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336461">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336462" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465810050"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Todd W: I wonder if that’s the same view Kim has for her three autistic daughters (one of whom is completely unvaccinated).<br /> I really hate how these people characterize autism, especially when their own children are autistic. Absolutely reprehensible.</p> <p>Of course she thinks of them as monsters, she just can't admit it because" nice" suburban moms don't have those feelings. I really think most of the Age of Autism ladies would be happier if they abandoned their families, but " nice" women don't do that, even when they only had the babies to fit in, not because they actually wanted children in the first place. Anti-vaxxers are why I think autistic kids shouldn't be raised by their families; as I noted elsewhere, anti-vaxxers are one bad day away from killing off their kids, even the non-autistic ones. Robot manned creches would at least give autistic children the chance to survive to adulthood.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336462&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5Ma0OonO5nClcSRibR6pOIO9zD8ieUhnuYhyd8SMMWQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 13 Jun 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/2402/feed#comment-1336462">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1336463" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1465823134"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Off topic, I know, but just thought I’d make the observation that Kim Stagliano over at Age of Autism has implied the Orlando massacre is linked to autism and shots (ie vaccines).</p></blockquote> <p>The comments, including Cynthia Parker's fantasy about how her pistol-packin' papa would have taken care of this in a jiffy (and calmly returned to his drink, one imagines), are precisely what one would expect when the AoA commentariat tries to apply their skills to an unrelated subject.</p> <p>On the bright side, though, in another thread, the painfully self-impressed Kostoff came up with <a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/06/the-age-of-polio-explosion-part-7.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201bb09109836970d#comment-6a00d8357f3f2969e201bb09109836970d">this gem</a>:</p> <p>"I came across a paper to that effect this morning on a completely unrelated topic. To paraphrase [<i>sic</i>]: 'It has been previously shown that mixtures of toxic chemicals containing at least one lipophilic and one hydrophilic agent produce effects NOT PREDICTABLE FROM THE KNOWN TOXICOLOGY OF THE INDIVIDUAL SPECIES....'"</p> <p>He didn't bother with a citation, but it's PMC 3967436. Seneff-related amusement <a href="https://scholarlyoa.com/2015/01/08/anti-roundup-glyphosate-researchers-use-easy-oa-journals-to-spread-their-views/">ensues promptly</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1336463&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J6AbX-Ceyc5useT3sCRPUqLpwe8dNjW1bAGJGXfagm4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <foo