Odontochelys https://scienceblogs.com/ en Heroes in a half-shell show how turtles evolved https://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/11/26/heroes-in-a-halfshell-show-how-turtles-evolved <span>Heroes in a half-shell show how turtles evolved</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p> <a href="http://www.researchblogging.org/"><img class="inset" src="http://www.researchblogging.org/public/citation_icons/rb2_large_gray.png" alt="Blogging on Peer-Reviewed Research" width="70" height="85" /></a>Clad in hard, armoured shells, turtles have a unique body plan unlike that of any other animal. Their shells have clearly served them well and the basic structure has gone largely unchanged since the time of the dinosaurs. But this unchanging nature poses a problem for anyone trying to understand how they evolved and until now, fossil turtles haven't provided any clues. All of them, just like their living descendants, have fully formed two-part shells. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-f02b5eaa4236d9b915080940c5b6965d-Cowabunga.jpg" alt="i-f02b5eaa4236d9b915080940c5b6965d-Cowabunga.jpg" />But three stunning new fossils are very different. They belong to the oldest turtle ever discovered, which lived about 220 million years ago in the area that would become China. Unlike today's species, its mouth had a full complement of small, peg-like teeth but even more amazingly, it had a feature that distinguishes it from any other turtle, either living or extinct - it only had half a shell. </p> <p>The ancient turtle was unearthed by Chun Li (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chun-Li">no, not that one</a>) from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, who called it <em>Odontochelys semitestacea</em>, a name that literally means "toothed turtle in a half-shell". It was a small animal, just 35 cm from snout to tail, and its shell consisted of just a plastron (the bottom half) and not a carapace (the top half). </p> <p>Li's team believes that this incomplete shell represents an intermediate step along the evolutionary path to the modern version. To them, <em>Odontochelys</em>'s anatomy settles debates about how the group's distinctive shell evolved, which animals they were most closely related to and what sort of lifestyles the earliest members had. It's a true hero in a half-shell. </p> <!--more--><p>For a start, <em>Odontochelys</em> suggests that the shell was a two-step innovation, with the plastron evolving first and the carapace coming later. In a way, modern turtles replay the evolutionary history of their ancestors as their embryos mature, for the plates of their plastron harden before those of their carapace. Some scientists have used this sequence to argue that the turtles evolved a lower shell before an upper one, and <em>Odontochelys</em> provides strong support for this theory. </p> <p>The animal also has structures that look like the very earliest stages of carapace evolution. Its upper body may have been uncovered but its upper ribs had started to expand, and its backbone had bony outgrowths at its flanks called neural plates. Li thinks that the widening ribs would eventually merge with each other, and the neural plates, to complete the second half of the distinctive shell. Again, turtle embryos do the same thing as they grow, accomplishing in mere months what their entire lineage took millions of years to do. </p> <p>Scientists have put forward other theories for the evolution of the carapace. According to one alternative, it evolved from bony scales called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteoderms">osteoderms</a>, which lie just beneath the skin. They are found in many reptiles and are responsible for both the distinctive plated look of crocodiles and the formidable armour of the ankylosaurian dinosaurs. Some say that turtle shells are merely very large osteoderms that fused together over the course of evolution, but <em>Odontochelys</em> consigns that theory to the shredder. Its remains show no signs of any osteoderms. </p> <p class="center"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-b3edcff65a6203856e303af1d7753f8b-Odontochelys_recreation.jpg" alt="i-b3edcff65a6203856e303af1d7753f8b-Odontochelys_recreation.jpg" /> </p> <p>In this way, the new find settles debates that no previous turtle fossil could. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proganochelys"><em>Proganochelys</em></a><em>,</em> the animal formerly known as the world's earliest turtle, lived 10 million years after <em>Odontochelys</em>. It, however, <em>did </em>have a fully-formed shell and a massive, spiky one at that. In this way, it was of no use in piecing together the shell's origins and may actually have led scientists down some wrong alleys. </p> <p><em>Proganochelys</em> does have possible osteoderms in its legs and some camps used these, along with other features, to suggest that the turtle lineage splintered off from a group of extinct armoured reptiles called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareiasaur">pareiasaurs</a>. But according to Li, <em>Odontochelys</em>'s bones suggest that turtles were more closely related to another reptile group - the diapsids, which include modern snakes, lizards and crocodiles. </p> <p>The bones of its foot also suggest that it had reached a stage in development that only adult turtles get to, ruling out the possibility that the three <em>Odontochelys</em> fossils were teenage specimens whose shells simply hadn't finished growing. But whether it truly represented the ancestral turtle body is a more open question. </p> <p>Li certainly thinks so, but others are less convinced. In a related editorial, Robert Reisz and Jason Head from the University of Toronto argue that the fossil could equally represent a turtle that did have a carapace, but one that hadn't hardened into bone yet. Their view is that <em>Odontochelys</em> is a more advanced species than Li suggests and its carapace had been reduced into an incomplete, softer version, in the style of modern <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softshell_turtle">soft-shelled turtles</a>. That would make it an adaptation rather than a primitive state. </p> <p>Both sides agree that <em>Odontochelys</em>'s protected underside, and the size of its front legs, suggest that it spent a lot of time in water (although probably not in sewers). After all, land reptiles would have a greater need to protect their backs than their ground-hugging bellies. But in Li's view, this means that turtles probably evolved from an aquatic ancestor, while to Reisz and Head, it means that <em>Odontochelys</em> evolved from a land-lubbing ancestor and was one of the first turtles to adapt to a watery life. </p> <p>For now, it's an open question, but either way, <em>Odontochelys</em> is a wonderful example of a 'transitional fossil'. I've blogged about <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/07/missing_link_flatfish_has_eye_thats_moved_halfway_across_its.php">similar</a> <a href="http://notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/earliest-bat-shows-flight-developed-before-echolocation/">discoveries</a> <a href="http://notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/whales-evolved-from-small-aquatic-hoofed-ancestors/http:/notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/whales-evolved-from-small-aquatic-hoofed-ancestors/">before</a> and they are always great cause for excitement, providing vivid illustrations of the evolutionary past of today's species. What they can't do of course if tell us if <em>Odontochelys</em> led, did machines, was cool but crude, or was, in fact, a party dude. </p> <p><strong>Reference: </strong><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=Nature&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1038%2Fnature07533&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=An+ancestral+turtle+from+the+Late+Triassic+of+southwestern+China&amp;rft.issn=0028-0836&amp;rft.date=2008&amp;rft.volume=456&amp;rft.issue=7221&amp;rft.spage=497&amp;rft.epage=501&amp;rft.artnum=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fdoifinder%2F10.1038%2Fnature07533&amp;rft.au=Chun+Li&amp;rft.au=Xiao-Chun+Wu&amp;rft.au=Olivier+Rieppel&amp;rft.au=Li-Ting+Wang&amp;rft.au=Li-Jun+Zhao&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=">Chun Li, Xiao-Chun Wu, Olivier Rieppel, Li-Ting Wang, Li-Jun Zhao (2008). An ancestral turtle from the Late Triassic of southwestern China <span style="font-style: italic;">Nature, 456</span> (7221), 497-501 DOI: <a rev="review" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature07533">10.1038/nature07533</a></span> </p> <p><strong>Image: </strong>from Nature; fossil altered by me</p> <p><strong>More from Not Exactly Rocket Science: </strong> </p> <ul> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/07/missing_link_flatfish_has_eye_thats_moved_halfway_across_its.php">'Missing link' flatfish has eye that's moved halfway across its head</a></li> <li><a href="http://notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/earliest-bat-shows-flight-developed-before-echolocation/">Earliest bat shows flight developed before echolocation</a></li> <li><a href="http://notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/whales-evolved-from-small-aquatic-hoofed-ancestors/">Whales evolved from small aquatic hoofed ancestors</a><strong></strong></li> </ul> <p><a href="http://www.addthis.com/feed.php?pub=edyong209&amp;h1=http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/Ruxi&amp;t1=" title="Subscribe using any feed reader!"><strong>Subscribe to the feed</strong></a> </p> <p class="center"><a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3533073"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-5b4148252bd99d05e9ffe49a70c5ebe3-Bookbanner4.jpg" alt="i-5b4148252bd99d05e9ffe49a70c5ebe3-Bookbanner4.jpg" /></a> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/notrocketscience" lang="" about="/notrocketscience" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">edyong</a></span> <span>Wed, 11/26/2008 - 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Is this a hoax?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340700&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ir1IOTi0-GxY8viN6tQheRmrgk96_KVzAIIR30sGwrw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Nebularry (not verified)</span> on 26 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340700">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340701" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227709641"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I photoshopped it for a joke. I was feeling whimsical.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340701&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="as2G-5tFDuHXixR7WTz6XgbWeeyYGMFDjf2BclI-MKI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed Yong (not verified)</a> on 26 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340701">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340702" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227714859"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Maybe the 1/2 shells were simply mineralized ballast? If they were semi-aquatics floating and sculling along the surface of shallow waters, the dense plastron keeping them upright and a bit of protection against submerged crocs, and a long neck would allow for quick fishing jabs beneath the water surface, while the upper carapace came later in the partial-return to terrestrial living, where protection from above/behind became more significant?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340702&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="L3ey5MUfOwuSAnBWtjdrSYO7I7_m3kJf-ysO8nvc1pw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://the-arc-ddeden.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DDeden (not verified)</a> on 26 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340702">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340703" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227752047"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Of course the most interesting question is to find an intermediate form that shows how the scapulae got inside the ribs. Any guesses?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340703&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8Seu9QAGv-7wKiEg4n_wcfvxqDuyLlfE3R96cI6rLmM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.boneroom.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ron Cauble (not verified)</a> on 26 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340703">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340704" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227784722"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Most excellent photoshopping, Ed. It made me giggle on this sad day (watching Mumbai news on CNN).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340704&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6vqv12Mjvx4h059lo98rDuNaUwqU6BNQ2r6bRexv26M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://lizditz.typepad.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Liz D (not verified)</a> on 27 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340704">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340705" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227811566"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>TMNT was very popular in Brazil when I was a kid. "Odontochelys consigns that theory to the shredder"<br /> "the turtle lineage splintered off"<br /> ahahahahahahaah very funny :-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340705&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="23srEAGbDoQF4DFcnCWTnT2We6pvVYxRG5jR6suNZSw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://lablogatorios.com.br/universofisico" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Igor Zolnerkevic (not verified)</a> on 27 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340705">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340706" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227811583"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>LOL good joke Ed. Good Photoshop job too! Was it Michaelangelo who used the sai?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340706&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JY8snvfc23QUMEVjKWNddInPk33vAYTiL4mccCTU4Hc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Matt (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340706">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340707" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227837388"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Y'know, I was really hoping that someone would notice that before I felt obliged to point it out ;-). Congratulations Igor. </p> <p>(Oh and it was Raphael who used the sai. Mikey used nunchucka (except in Britain, where he used bugger all).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340707&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xr9fOt_fOLZ7FWUmxTBkmSYPEyFT86wJtkUGmMLYD5A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed Yong (not verified)</a> on 27 Nov 2008 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340707">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2340708" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1243000226"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Minor point: (yeah, nobody is reading posts this old) At SVP, a couple of researchers demonstrated that the turtle scapula is not actually inside the ribcage, but in fact sit just in front of the first thoracic vertebra. The plates of the SHELL grow over the scapula, but NOT the ribs.</p> <p>So, as the authors continually pointed out, the scapula is within the shell, but not the ribs.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2340708&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LKHMzjXolVjJgbwUzlv2Uk0ug6V2MutoEHmJt9TYzJg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://whenpigsfly-returns.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zach Miller (not verified)</a> on 22 May 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31016/feed#comment-2340708">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/notrocketscience/2008/11/26/heroes-in-a-halfshell-show-how-turtles-evolved%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:55:58 +0000 edyong 119960 at https://scienceblogs.com