Red Queen https://scienceblogs.com/ en Snails get sexy when parasites are around https://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/07/24/snails-get-sexy-when-parasites-are-around <span>Snails get sexy when parasites are around</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.researchblogging.org/"><img class="inset" src="http://www.researchblogging.org/public/citation_icons/rb2_large_gray.png" alt="Blogging on Peer-Reviewed Research" width="70" height="85" /></a>In Lake Alexandrina, New Zealand, a population of snails is under threat from a parasitic flatworm, a fluke aptly known as <a href="http://www.indiana.edu/~curtweb/Research/About%20Microphallus.html"><em>Microphallus</em></a>. The fluke chemically castrates its snail host and uses its body as a living incubator for its larvae. But the snails have a weapon against these body-snatching foes - sex. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-d9406b15200cec75dd2eb3c3a912473e-Snail.jpg" alt="i-d9406b15200cec75dd2eb3c3a912473e-Snail.jpg" />The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_mud_snail">New Zealand mud snail</a> <em>Potamopyrgus antipodarum</em> is found throughout island's freshwater habitats. They breed either sexually or asexually through cloning, and the two strategies vary in prevalence throughout the lake. In the shallower waters round its margins, sex is the name of the game, but in the deeper waters towards the lake's centre, snails are more likely to opt for cloning. </p> <p><a href="http://www.bio.indiana.edu/~livelylab/Kayla.html">Kayla King</a> from Indiana University has shown that it's the concentration of the local parasites that drives this gradient of sex. The flukes spend their adult lives in ducks and they rely on the birds inadvertently scooping up their larvae while feeding. In Lake Alexandrina, ducks only feed in the shallow waters around the lake's margins so these areas are hotspots for parasites, and for co-evolutionary wars between them and their snail hosts. Sex provides the snails with the genetic ammunition they need to stay in the game. </p> <p>The snails and their parasites beautifully support and illustrate the principles of the <a href="http://www.indiana.edu/~curtweb/Research/Red_Queen%20hyp.html">Red Queen hypothesis</a>, which suggests that one of the chief benefits of sex lies in providing the genetic innovation necessary to outfox parasites in evolutionary arms races. </p> <!--more--><p>Asexual animals have massive advantages over sexual ones - they can produce more offspring quickly and they never have to dilute their own genetic contributions with those of a partner. All in all, they should rapidly replace sexual counterparts unless something negates their advantages - something like competition against parasites. To a parasite, a population of asexual clones with their identical genomes, are an easy target. Any adaptation that gives them the upper hand against one individual will work against the whole group. </p> <p>Sexual individuals, on the other hand, have genetically diverse offspring, for every time a male and female mate, their genes mingle in new and interesting combinations. That makes them far more difficult to game when the targets are constantly shifting. </p> <p>King collected snails from the shallow and deep parts of Lake Alexandrina and nearby Lake Kaniere. She also captured <em>Microphallus</em> flukes from these two lakes and one other, and pitted them against the various snails. The results showed that the parasites are strongly adapted to their local sub-populations of snails. For example, the Alexandria flukes are much more infectious to the shallow-water sexual snails from the same lake than they than the deep-water asexual ones. The shallows are indeed co-evolutionary hotspots. </p> <p>The parasites were only good at infecting snails from the same local area - the shallow part of their own particular lake. Snails were foreign to them if they came from either different lakes, or from the deeper parts of the same one (even if those regions were only a few metres away). This rules out the possibility that the sexual behaviour of the shallow-water snails makes them more vulnerable to parasites. The opposite explanation, that more parasites lead to more sex, is the likelier one. </p> <p><strong>Reference: </strong>Current Biology 10.1016/j.cub.2009.06.062 </p> <p><strong>More on arms races:</strong> </p> <p><strong></strong> </p> <ul> <li><a id="a115024" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/04/the_rebellion_of_the_ant_slaves.php">The rebellion of the ant slaves</a></li> <li><a id="a104144" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/02/mud_time_capsules_show_evolutionary_arms_race_between_host_a.php">Mud time capsules show evolutionary arms race between host and parasite</a></li> <li><a id="a070593" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/03/immune_snakes_outrun_toxic_newts_in_evolutionary_a.php">Immune snakes outrun toxic newts in evolutionary arms races</a></li> <li><a id="a104068" href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/02/butterflies_evolve_resistance_to_male-killing_bacteria_in_re.php">Butterflies evolve resistance to male-killing bacteria in record time</a></li> </ul> <p><a href="http://openlab.wufoo.com/forms/submission-form/"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/Open_Lab_2009_150x100.jpg" /></a></p> <script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"> <!--//--><![CDATA[// ><!-- //--><!]]> </script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.reddit.com/button.js?t=2"> <!--//--><![CDATA[// ><!-- //--><!]]> </script><p> <a href="http://twitter.com/edyong209/"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-77217d2c5311c2be408065c3c076b83e-Twitter.jpg" alt="i-77217d2c5311c2be408065c3c076b83e-Twitter.jpg" /></a> <a href="http://feeds2.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/Ruxi"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-3a7f588680ea1320f197adb2d285d99f-RSS.jpg" alt="i-3a7f588680ea1320f197adb2d285d99f-RSS.jpg" /></a> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/notrocketscience" lang="" about="/notrocketscience" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">edyong</a></span> <span>Fri, 07/24/2009 - 04:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animals" hreflang="en">animals</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ecology" hreflang="en">ecology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolutionary-arms-races" hreflang="en">evolutionary arms races</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/parasites" hreflang="en">Parasites</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolutionary-arms-race" hreflang="en">evolutionary arms race</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/microphallus" hreflang="en">microphallus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/parasite" hreflang="en">parasite</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/red-queen" hreflang="en">Red Queen</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/snail" hreflang="en">snail</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animals" hreflang="en">animals</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ecology" hreflang="en">ecology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolutionary-arms-races" hreflang="en">evolutionary arms races</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/parasites" hreflang="en">Parasites</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2343362" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248460146"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Who would have thought that sex was basically about worms?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2343362&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6L5W2QgstGqilo2m3iWMCUDWNgjtzHzyQ0AtE4PmAiM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://liliannattel.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lilian Nattel (not verified)</a> on 24 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2343362">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2343363" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248500093"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I hope you don't mind me sharing a Finnish palindrome, just in case there are other Finnish readers:</p> <p>"Toi loiskeston ne hennot seksioliot."</p> <p>Roughly translated, it says, "It's them delicate sex creatures that brought parasite tolerance." (The grammar is nonstandard in the original.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2343363&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2I2MNMoGM7eSzkx-hi--Dzq-JWK41P0asplxuOk-heY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~huuskone/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Taneli Huuskonen (not verified)</a> on 25 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2343363">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2343364" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248517256"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>As a High School Science Teacher in a small conservative town, I am famous for showing what my students call the "Sex Video". It is the "Eyes of Nye on Genetic Diversity", and explains that we have sex to stay ahead of the parasites. Nye also uses his bad humor and the Red queen to explain this.<br /> Thanks for a concrete example that I can use in the classroom.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2343364&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1KrWyIRXyfNUPKZZmv9oa_goySa6_e-q89mxj6zFR_I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dior (not verified)</span> on 25 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2343364">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2343365" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248552415"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Heh, <i>Potamopyrgus antipodarum</i> is also highly invasive in a number of US West Coast watersheds. And reproduce entirely asexually for the most part, though if I recall the readings I did for a undergrad evol.bio presentation, it is reproducing semi-sexually in one population in France.</p> <p>Anyhow, if flukes are tightly bound to sexual populations, then this does make biocontrol via introducing flukes a bit more on the fun side. Depending on the source populations for the invasive groups. Though if I recall correctly, each invasive population was mostly 1 clonal line...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2343365&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="94YFYJs6puk4uBSHhA0om3Z2DNyIuDw2SrJw7EWq8Hw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NickS (not verified)</span> on 25 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2343365">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2343366" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248689131"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sorry to leave the comment here, but the post directly following -- the one about noise and birds -- appears to be broken in some way. I canNOT get to the rest of the article. Not via the "read more" link, nor the title link.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2343366&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C1q3PDPGjM29jiJ1VlGUjBXG-oMgQKUh2wA-MO2m9E8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://sanguinity.livejournal.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sanguinity (not verified)</a> on 27 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2343366">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2343367" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248692897"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Those flukes are a bit like Robin Hood - robbing from the snails, to give to the ducks. Certainly in terms of length, that is.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2343367&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8jjdh1OJCLIb-2bLouzkx5fZXiDRmsXQTv1RqCMA9KA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/u0421793" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ian Tindale (not verified)</a> on 27 Jul 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2343367">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/notrocketscience/2009/07/24/snails-get-sexy-when-parasites-are-around%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:00:46 +0000 edyong 120226 at https://scienceblogs.com Mud time capsules show evolutionary arms race between host and parasite https://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/02/11/mud-time-capsules-show-evolutionary-arms-race-between-host-a <span>Mud time capsules show evolutionary arms race between host and parasite</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><strong><em>This is the fifth of <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/02/darwins_bicentennial_-_a_celebration.php">eight posts on evolutionary research</a> to celebrate Darwin's bicentennial.</em></strong> </p> <p class="center"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-b7aa155d6315a843b1369eee66a9e6a4-Revisitedbanner.jpg" alt="i-b7aa155d6315a843b1369eee66a9e6a4-Revisitedbanner.jpg" /></p> <p><a href="http://www.researchblogging.org/"><img class="inset" src="http://www.researchblogging.org/public/citation_icons/rb2_large_gray.png" alt="Blogging on Peer-Reviewed Research" height="50" width="80" /></a>Life can sometimes be a futile contest. Throughout the natural world, pairs of species are locked in an <a href="http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIF1Armsrace.shtml">evolutionary arms race</a> where both competitors must continuously evolve new adaptations just to avoid ceding ground. Any advantage is temporary as every adaptive move from a predator or parasite is quickly neutralised by a counter-move from its prey or host. Coerced onward by the indifferent force of natural selection, neither side can withdraw from the stalemate. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-33db9d5cd6c706fa474a4cd297e63b5c-daphnia_magna01.jpg" alt="i-33db9d5cd6c706fa474a4cd297e63b5c-daphnia_magna01.jpg" />These patterns of evolution are known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen">Red Queen dynamics</a>, after the character in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass who said to Alice, "It takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place." These arms races are predicted by evolutionary theory, not least as an explanation for sex. By shuffling genes from a mother and father, sex acts as a crucible for genetic diversity, providing a species with the raw material for adapting to its parasites and keep up with the arms race. </p> <p>We can see the results of Red Queen dynamics in the bodies, genes and behaviours of the species around us but actually watching them at work is another matter altogether. You'd need to study interacting species over several generations and most biologists have neither the patience nor lifespan to do so. But sometimes, players from generations past leave behind records of the moves they made. <a href="http://bio.kuleuven.be/eco/people_detail.php?pass_id=u0003403">Ellen Decaestecker</a> and colleagues from Leuven University found just such an archive in the mud of a Belgian lake. </p> <p>The lake is home to a small crustacean called a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphnia">water flea (<em>Daphnia magra</em>)</a> and a parasitic bacteria <em><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=daph.chapter.ch3">Pasteuria ramosa</a></em> that lives inside it. Both species can undergo dormant states, and Decaestecker found that the lake's sediment preserves members of this sleeping fauna from up to 39 years ago. Every layer of sediment acts as a time capsule, preserving members from previous generations </p> <!--more--><p>Decaestecker sampled cylinders of sediment form the lake and revived dormant <em>Daphnia </em>eggs and parasite spores from different levels, representing intervals of 2-4 years. With these, she managed to hatch living <em>Daphnia</em> and pit them against parasites from their past, present and future. </p> <p>On average, she found that the bacteria infected the water fleas more successfully if they came from the same time period than if they hailed from the past. As time went on, the bacteria picked up new adaptations that made them more effective parasites. </p> <p>But Decaestecker also found that bacteria from a flea's future were <em>also</em> less infectious than its contemporaries. It seems that the parasites' upper hand is short-lived for the fleas evolve their own counter-adaptations. As the bacteria continue to adapt to the changing defences of their hosts, they trade-off the ability to infect the current generation with their ability to infect the previous ones. </p> <p>This particular race isn't quite as one-sided as it might appear for slowly. Over time, the bacteria didn't become any better at infecting the water fleas, but those that did caused more virulent disease. They produced more reproductive spores and millions of these take up the fleas' bodies and effectively castrate them. Over time, the reproductive success of the infected fleas fell. </p> <p><strong>Reference:</strong> Decaestecker, E., Gaba, S., Raeymaekers, J.A., Stoks, R., Van Kerckhoven, L., Ebert, D., De Meester, L. (2007). Host-parasite 'Red Queen' dynamics archived in pond sediment. <span style="font-style: italic;">Nature, 450</span>(7171), 870-873. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature06291" rev="review">10.1038/nature06291</a> </p> <p><a href="http://www.addthis.com/feed.php?pub=edyong209&amp;h1=http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/Ruxi&amp;t1=" title="Subscribe using any feed reader!"><strong>Subscribe to the feed</strong></a> </p> <p class="center"><a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3533073"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-5b4148252bd99d05e9ffe49a70c5ebe3-Bookbanner4.jpg" alt="i-5b4148252bd99d05e9ffe49a70c5ebe3-Bookbanner4.jpg" /></a> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/notrocketscience" lang="" about="/notrocketscience" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">edyong</a></span> <span>Wed, 02/11/2009 - 02:30</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bacteria" hreflang="en">bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolutionary-arms-races" hreflang="en">evolutionary arms races</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/parasites" hreflang="en">Parasites</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/daphnia" hreflang="en">Daphnia</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolutionary-arms-race" hreflang="en">evolutionary arms race</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pasteuria" hreflang="en">Pasteuria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/red-queen" hreflang="en">Red Queen</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/water-flea" hreflang="en">water flea</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bacteria" hreflang="en">bacteria</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolutionary-arms-races" hreflang="en">evolutionary arms races</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/parasites" hreflang="en">Parasites</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2341398" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234357643"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The arms race analogy isn't entirely apt because the parasite needs the host to reproduce and the predator needs prey to reproduce. Otherwise we get what humans have done--overfishing, for example, to the point of extinction. If the predator developed an unbeatable mechanism for attacking prey, then subsequent generations would starve, no?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2341398&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qYVSUe5xvgd_v0xSWtCCk5MfDJAuGffpYeUv4Qjy5Hg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://liliannattel.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lilian Nattel (not verified)</a> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2341398">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2341399" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234363781"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This seems to be in exact agreement with Hamilton's theory of the role of parasites in the evolutionary maintenance of sex. See "Narrow Roads of Gene Land", his amazing collected works. It is not really true that sex increases diversity: rather, as Hamilton's simulations showed, it allows the preservation of once and-future anti-parasite strategies that are temporarily useless in the cycle. Gradual improvement of strategies (plural) happens at a much slower scale than the fast evolutionary scale of the parasite. Very exciting confirmation of the theory, in fact! (Current views are that this is not the whole role of sex; still, it seems to be a major factor.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2341399&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="67wgQmCrfm4IGNNviNoMiZ47SoWg7e_hg103Hr80mK8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rob C. (not verified)</span> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2341399">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2341400" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234367958"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Intrigued by Lilian's comment. Is that a prediction that evolutionary theory can make. That we should find examples of predators/parasites wiping out their prey/host populations because a mutated mechanism makes them unbeatable?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2341400&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P8hV46CTrvP7KdvS_79meCnrjaOmySNUsnXNHUmVAmI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://youaskyoulearn.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NoAstronomer (not verified)</a> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2341400">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2341401" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234368359"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would be careful about saying that any mutation is "unbeatable". Not that you did, but others have in the past and it's often a failure of imagination. As Lesley Orgel put it, "Evolution is cleverer than you.". </p> <p>That being said, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/03/immune_snakes_outrun_toxic_newts_in_evolutionary_a.php">here's an example of a predator/prey relationship</a>, where some populations of predators appear to have temporarily won the arms race. Note that I say temporarily. Also note that in this case, prey defence might not limit individual predators but prey population size will limit predator population size. The seemingly invincible snakes are still restrained by the fact that if they eat all their prey, they won't have enough food, their numbers will fall, giving the newts a chance to rebound. And so on.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2341401&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hcCCMkHg3aG-dEcntD6c5VIRU2mN3Xg_9cf432mXwMU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ed Yong (not verified)</span> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2341401">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2341402" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234398037"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It seems a little Lamarckian to say that parasites and hosts evolve new adaptations in an arms race, is it not? A parasite invades a host and reproduces. Some members of that parasite species have the adaptations necessary to survive the onslaught of the immune system or other defense mechanism of the host, so they survive and reproduce, making it more likely that their offspring will live--as long as they don't kill the host species. The host species' members with the adaptations necessary to survive the onslaught of the parasitic invation will survive to reproduce, making their offspring more likely to survive, as well. What happens over time is that the two species will become more specialized and dependent on each other, and any adaptation that makes it more likely for some of one or the other species to die makes it certain that only particular members of each species will survive to reproduce. That's why past and future parasites cannot be successful in present hosts; they are specialized to survive in a host with particular adaptations because of the adaptations they have themselves. Parasites tend to survive because of rapid reproduction, which tends to make their genetic variation more rapid, as well, since some genes are added with each generation. It's not likely that parasites will go away in a given host species, regardless of the rapidity of host variation.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2341402&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XBVvp7sqZq9BiBbXkLKJJOZkgRpVi4Kq7NHJm6ukYpg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://gregstake.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Greg Reich (not verified)</a> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2341402">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2341403" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234398232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Species go extinct all the damn time. Can't parasite pressure be a factor, even a major factor, or even <i>the</i> factor, in an extinction? Is there any inherent natural limit on how damaging a parasite's innovation may be? That we don't notice this much must be selection bias: we mostly see processes that last, and most of the sudden extinctions (that we didn't arrange ourselves!) happened before we came along.</p> <p>Furthermore, parasites/predators can often switch to another, possibly less hospitable, host if they eliminate the present favorite, so their numbers need not decline as fast as their prey's. Finally, a very few remaining exclusive predators may suffice to finish off the prey population if it reproduces slowly enough.</p> <p>For copious examples of extinction by predation, examine any Pacific island. For near-historical drama, consider humans vs. the passenger pigeon.</p> <p>Sometimes arms races are won, and sometimes the victory is Pyrrhic.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2341403&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dOmdid4ONPE72pbVY1auxDiSRIyolbi0Fs_qAUPFv78"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Nathan Myers (not verified)</span> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/31154/feed#comment-2341403">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/notrocketscience/2009/02/11/mud-time-capsules-show-evolutionary-arms-race-between-host-a%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:30:36 +0000 edyong 120046 at https://scienceblogs.com